1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: There's Jaji Warris. 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Philly Show. 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 3: Hi everybody, Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's a lucky 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 3: It is the Phillies Show. It is Friday, April twenty fifth, 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Hope everybody is doing well. That was, of. 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 4: Course, Jason Worth, former Phillies World Series Champion. Jason Worth's 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 4: horse Flying Mohawk is running in next weekends Kentucky Derby. 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 4: This weekend, the Phillies are going to try to stop 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,959 Speaker 4: the bleeding. They've lost four in a row. They got 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 4: swept earlier this week in New York. They open a 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 4: three game series on Friday night against the Cubs at 13 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 4: Wrigley Field. Taiwan Walkers on the mound on Friday night 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 4: against Colin Ray. Saturday it's Jesus Lozardo against Ben Brown, 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 4: and then we've got some Sunday night baseball Aaron Nola 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 4: zero to five, six, four to three Era, we'll face 17 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 4: Jamison Tyone. If you missed Thursday's episode, go back and 18 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 4: take a listen watch it. Ruben, Jim and I got 19 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 4: together after this sweep in New. 20 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: York and we talked about all of the Phillies problems, 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 3: the problems with the bullpen, the problems with the offense, 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 3: not slugging, not hitting with runners in scoring position, some 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 3: cracks maybe in the rotations foundation with Aaron Nola's struggles. 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 3: Of course, Christopher Sanchez having a sore left forearm a 25 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: lot of frustration right now among Phillies fans, understandably so. 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: But it is only twenty five games into a one 27 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: hundred and sixty two game season. So we thought it 28 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: would make a lot of sense to bring in somebody 29 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: on Friday with a national perspective, So we have Mark 30 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: DeRosa as our guest. Mark de Rosa, of course, is 31 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: one of the co hosts of MLB Central on MLB 32 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: Network ten am East weekdays. 33 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 4: Great show. But of course Marked Rosa also played sixteen 34 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 4: years in the big leagues. He played football and baseball 35 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 4: at Penn and next year will be his second run 36 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 4: as the manager of Team USA in the World Baseball Classic. 37 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 4: Mark had a lot of great insight, shared some great stories, 38 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 4: talked a lot about talk a little bit about getting 39 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 4: some Phillies on Teamosa next year. So here he is 40 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 4: after these words, coming up, Mark de Rosa. 41 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 5: Todd Father, I love the way that modern technology has 42 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 5: changed the way that we buy sell trade cards, even 43 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 5: rip packs. They're called slab packs and they're on Arena Club. 44 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 5: No more shuffling through everything. 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Right 59 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 5: now twenty percent off your first slap pack or card 60 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 5: purchase by going to Arena Club dot com slash vul 61 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 5: use code foul that's Arena Club dot com slash foul 62 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 5: code foul for twenty percent off your first purchase. 63 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 4: Mark Thanks for joining the Philly Show. 64 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 3: How you doing today good. 65 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: I hope I'm doing great, good Man. 66 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: Well, for those that don't know well Mark, I want 67 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: to say this first. My favorite show on MLB Network 68 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 3: is MLB Central. I do watch it every day to 69 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 3: Ennam Eastern. For those that don't watch. 70 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: It, Yeah, you launch a hottie, Robert Flores. It's so good. 71 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 3: You guys have such great chemistry and I literally I 72 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: love when you break down hitters and pitchers and all 73 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: that stuff. 74 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: It's such a such a great show. 75 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: You guys seem like a fun hang and so I 76 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: wanted to give you some kudos on that show. 77 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 4: Didn't you guys just have an anniversary? 78 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: We did ten ten years Roflow has been with us 79 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: god seven out of to ten. We had Matty V 80 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: for the first three. Yeah, we get along great. And 81 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: the reason the breakdowns, I mean always because I I 82 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: I get a lot on on social media. I didn't 83 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: learn how to hit till I was thirty, So I 84 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: mean I was soaking up from Chipper to Albert to 85 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: Michael Young that to share all the great players and 86 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: I just try and like be a facilitator of what 87 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: they were preaching. It's so good man. I love and 88 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: of course also, you have a little side gig. 89 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 4: Going on right now as a manager of team US. 90 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: Say congratulations on that for doing that beginning next year. 91 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: But we wanted to have you on because we wanted 92 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 3: to talk Phillies, of course, and right now, you know 93 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 3: you went to penn You know Philly. 94 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 4: You've played in Philly a bunch over the years. 95 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: Are we panic? 96 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 3: There's a little panic going on right now in Philly. 97 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 3: And I was watching I was watching you this morning. 98 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: You were telling you showing some Mets Phillies highlights, and 99 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: I think what you said about the Phillies was they're 100 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: just lacking a little bit. 101 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: Of juice right now. 102 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm wondering what what do you see from 103 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 3: the Phillies because there is some panic right now in Philadelphia. 104 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: I mean, the history and the names on the back 105 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: of the jersey say you're gonna be fine, and I 106 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: think when the dust settled, you will be exactly that. 107 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: They just can't get the big hit. It seems like 108 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: they're putting traffic on the base pass every inning and 109 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: they can't catch a gap or no one's hitting that 110 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: big home run to light them up. So that's the 111 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing for me. I mean, the last 112 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: time they looked like they had some juice was the 113 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: Dodgers series, when Dodgers rolled into town and they you know, 114 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: kind of mono imano and and they stepped up. I 115 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: think the lineups in flocks. I think it's you know, 116 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: toppers trying to find a lineup. We talked about the 117 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: leadoff roll coming throughout spring training. Was it gonna be Turner? 118 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: Was it gonna be Schwarber? Can you move Nick? And 119 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: in the middle of those two lefty bats, is he 120 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: swinging it back good enough? Bowman marsh got off the 121 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: bad starts. I just think everything's hyper sensitive the first 122 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: forty games of the season. I always go back to 123 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: Bobby Cox. That's kind of how I was raised, right. 124 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: He would give us forty games, give you about one 125 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty at bats, give the starters a couple starts, 126 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: and then he'd usually call that meeting around the forty 127 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: game mark. We'd be sitting like twenty two and eighteen 128 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: or something. You'd be like, all right, now we go. 129 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: Now we don't lose another series the rest of the year. 130 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: I gave you time to get loose. Now, the names 131 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: on the back say we need to now, we need 132 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: to go. So I do think it's still a little 133 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 1: a little early before we panic. Yeah, that's great stuff 134 00:06:59,240 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: I met. 135 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: And also I will say, Todd, you mentioned it about 136 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: their show. It is a blast those guys. I've been 137 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: on here two or three times. I have not had 138 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: more fun on TV than on that show. 139 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: There's no question about it. I'm serious. They just have fun. 140 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 7: They enjoy you know, they enjoy what they do, and 141 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 7: it's obvious. Yeah, but they're all great, great folks and 142 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 7: really enjoy it. Tiro, talk to me a little bit 143 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 7: about when how the feeling is. 144 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 8: When you're not getting that big hit it's almost happening 145 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 8: across the board, what it's like in the dugout, in 146 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 8: the clubhouse after the game, before the game, what's the 147 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 8: feeling like when you're not getting that knock and. 148 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: There's some tension there. Yeah, it's frustrating because you want 149 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: to pick up your teammates. Right. There's a couple guys 150 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: that have gotten off the bad starts. I mean, for instance, 151 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: the bullpen, like Alvarado's throwing the ball good Stram always 152 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: does his thing, but Romano's really struggled and like puts 153 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: everybody on blast. From a lineup point point of view. 154 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: If one guy, you know, Bom and Marsh got off 155 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: to just bad starts and now Topper's Batt and Bom 156 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: in the eighth slot, like it starts playing with guys' 157 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: minds and other guys just want to pick them up 158 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: and get that big knock and let everyone relax. It 159 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: just seems like, you know, in the last couple of games, 160 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: it's not coming. I love I love listening to Rob 161 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: Thompson his post game. I know he might not give 162 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: you everything you want, but he's exactly what the players 163 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: want to hear. No panic in his voice. There's a 164 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: track record here where eventually you know it'll regress to 165 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: the mean at some point. As bad as we're going 166 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: now in clutch spots, that's as hot as we're going 167 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: to get throughout the season. I do truly believe that, 168 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: Hey Mark. 169 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 9: Since the Phillies played the Mets in London early June 170 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 9: last year, since June nine, heading into their weekend series 171 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 9: at Field, Phillies have played one hundred and twenty seven games, 172 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 9: including four in the playoffs, and they are just one 173 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 9: game over five hundred in that span. That's a pretty 174 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 9: good chunk of time. Yeah, do you read anything into that? 175 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 9: Do you kind of go back and say, maybe they're 176 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 9: not as good as we think they are? 177 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: No, I think that'd be unfair. I do think they 178 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: have superstar type talent that can cover up some of 179 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: the flaws in the roster, so to speak. I mean 180 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out is Max Kepler going to 181 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: be a dude or is it going to be a 182 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: platoon thing that we're going with there? Like I said, 183 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: they ran Stot into the leadoff spot. They've had Trey Turner, 184 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: we've had Schwarber. What can Castianos be counted on to 185 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: break up those two lefties every day? I love their 186 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: starting rotation. Who was to say? I mean, come on, 187 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: you know it's an aberration Aaron Nola getting all to 188 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: an zero and five start. You know he's gonna rattle 189 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: off a ton of wins in a row. It's who 190 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: he's always been. There'll be no panic in him. I 191 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: do think they need to figure out and make some 192 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: decisions on you know, a bullpen and how that, how 193 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: that's deployed. I mean, like yesterday I saw Alvarado come 194 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: in the eighth and I was like, that's interesting. He's 195 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: using that bullet here. There was two righties coming up. 196 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: I think Alonzo let off the inning. It was like Alonzo, 197 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: Nemo and Biento. So I'm like, that's an interesting movie. 198 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: He's running that out right now. So just trying to 199 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: figure out how he's going about. No, I think there's 200 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: still one of the better teams in the National League. 201 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: I do believe that. I think the start, the starter 202 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: separate him. Right wheelers usually win day. Nolo get going. 203 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: Lozardo's been a revelation for you guys, and hopefully the 204 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: Sanchez is not a big deal with the forearm, and 205 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: he can he can kind of resume because if you 206 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: put him in Ranger back in there. I mean, I 207 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: can make the argument that's the best five in the 208 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: National League. 209 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 10: Can you tell me a little bit about the makeup 210 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 10: of these guys you had a couple of them, Yeah, 211 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 10: UBC tell me about the feeling that you got with 212 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 10: all those guys and what they meant to you as 213 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 10: a manager during that time. 214 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: I loved them all. I did. I love them all, 215 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: but the Phillies guys I can make make the statement 216 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: that they were my fave the three I had. The 217 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: three I had, and I'll never forget it because, like 218 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: I still view myself, I didn't I've never managed going 219 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: into that, so I still like, who's trying to find 220 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: my footing? And Trey and Kyle and JT were having 221 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: breakfast one morning and I walked in to get my 222 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: food and They're like, come on, skip, sit down, and 223 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, Like I was waiting for 224 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: that to kind of be one of the boys again. 225 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: I'll go to battle with all three. I mean, Trey 226 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: was a monster for us. So he hit five homers 227 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: and me one of the highlights of my life. The 228 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: Grand Slam against Venezuela is one of the highlights of 229 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: my professional life because before that game, I had played 230 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: in Venezuela in ninety nine. I knew the passion that 231 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: they were going to play with. I knew they were 232 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: going to be out of the dug out loud, and 233 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: I called a meeting and I said, listen, we're matching 234 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: their energy tonight. I want you to act like twelve 235 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: year olds. First guy who goes deep, we're all at 236 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: home plate and Trey went deep. If you watch it back, man, 237 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: every guy is out of that dugout at home plate, 238 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: and you don't see that very often. So he gave 239 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: me that like kind of blackout moment that you don't 240 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: get too often. JT's rider Die. I know he's gotten 241 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: off to a slow start, but I'll go to war 242 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: with him any day of the week. And Schwarves's Schwarves 243 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: is the glue man, Like he was the glue on 244 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: that team. He would he would come up behind me and, 245 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, whisper some funny things in my ear in 246 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: the middle of of you know, a pressureized situation that 247 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: you need to kind of break it up. So all 248 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: three of them were beyond fantastic. Schwarbert. 249 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 3: We all three of us have said he's one of 250 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 3: the best leaders that we have seen it in the 251 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 3: Phillies clubhouse for years and years and years. And I'm 252 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: sure at some point on MLB Central you've broken down 253 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: Schwarber's swing. Can you explain to Phillies fans, like, like, 254 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 3: what do you love about his swing? Like what makes 255 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: his swing? What makes him fun to watch for you? 256 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for me, it's obviously the light tower power, 257 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: but it's the ability to be so short and quick 258 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: and explosive to the baseball. When he's right, he's got 259 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: one of the shortest swings in the game, and it's 260 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: so violent and sets the tone. I kind of like 261 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: him in the leadoff spot. I know he profiles down 262 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: in the order and I get it. But talking to 263 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: a lot of catchers and former catchers and current catchers, 264 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: they say, when you give us that prototypical leadoff guy, 265 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: now that lets us kind of get game and get 266 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: a rhythm going instead of the Kyle Schwarber stepping in. 267 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: It's like, uh oh, first pitch could be one nothing. 268 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: It changes the way we attack the first inning. So yeah, 269 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: I almost like Schwarve setting a tone. 270 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 9: He does set some tones. Last year, fifteen leadoff home 271 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 9: runs and they won. They won thirteen of those games, 272 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 9: and that was that's a great stat. So I remember 273 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 9: watching that WBC and I remember watching Trey Turner just 274 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 9: crush the ball, and I'm thinking it's over Phillies who 275 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 9: winning the World Series. And then you know he's been inconsistent. 276 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 9: There's been these pockets of greatness when he's like putting 277 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 9: up MVP numbers like short spur, you know, a few 278 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 9: weeks here and there, and then there's been other pockets 279 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 9: of just head scratching inconsistency. What are you seeing in 280 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 9: Trey Turner's game, you know, since he joined the Phillies. 281 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: I think the inconsistency is well. First off, I always 282 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: go to the mindset like they're not robots, right, Like, uh, 283 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: I remember when I signed my free agent deal on 284 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: a on a crazy smaller scale than than these guys 285 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: are signing. It's like, you want to endear yourself to 286 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: every usher, every every fan that walks in. You want 287 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: because they don't see you you struggle. Like when I 288 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: got to play with Derek Jeter and O nine Team 289 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: USA and he grounded out to short or struck out, 290 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, what I don't I don't get to see that. 291 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: I only see the high highlights of him hitting homers 292 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: and hitting balls the other way. So, the pressure of 293 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: carrying a three hundred million dollar contract, regardless of whether 294 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna play a little bit in the shadow of 295 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: Bryce Harper, is still you want to endear yourself to 296 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: the fans. What the Phillies fans did on the flip 297 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: side to kind of give him the standing ovation and 298 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: get him rolling can't be understated. My biggest thing when 299 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: I watch when I watched Trey, when he does struggle 300 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: is he's susceptible is swinging its spin and it doesn't 301 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: seem like he picks it up really good. There's a 302 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: lot of guys in the league like that. That's the 303 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: biggest thing, controlling the strike zone, getting on base. But 304 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: when he's going right, he's a you know, he's a 305 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: five tool talent. But that's the thing. Occasionally, like the 306 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: swing decisions that he'll make kind of cost him some 307 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: batan average. 308 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 11: We talked this about this a little bit earlier, talk 309 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 11: about the bullpen and what it does when it doesn't 310 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 11: shut it down, what it feels like. 311 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 8: What the when you're standing out there at shortstop or 312 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 8: second base and you see somebody you see that pen 313 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 8: door open up and. 314 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 7: They've been struggling. What does that do to the team. 315 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: Well, first, you want him to do well, because you 316 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: want all your teammates to do well. But it's a 317 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: you know, rude you losing games in the eighth and 318 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: ninth inning, that is a that is a no no, 319 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: that that sets everybody back. Right, those have to be 320 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: lockdown innings for you. I mean, you can have a 321 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: couple of hiccups throughout the year, and I always think 322 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: it's unfair that these guys got to be asked to 323 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: be perfect, right, But it's a demoralizer when you're constantly 324 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: losing games late. It's like, like, yet you know perfect 325 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: examples Yesterday, I mean, you scored a run, you go 326 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: up three to two. You bring in Romano, he's gotten 327 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: off to a tough start. You want him to have 328 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: a moment. They kind of eased him the other day, 329 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: put him in a spot to succeed, and then Pete 330 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: kind of push out double rocket in the right center 331 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: gap and Marte broken bat and the game's over. So yeah, 332 00:17:55,240 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: it's it's frustrating. I always go back. I listened to 333 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: Harper's comments after the game, and he's like taking it 334 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: upon himself, And that's what that's what kind of can happen, right. 335 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: You can't just like I have to be the one 336 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: to get us out of this. I think it has 337 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: to be more of a past of but bita mentality 338 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: and kind of not feel like you have to be 339 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: the hero to kind of cover up everybody you had mentioned. 340 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 3: I want to kind of go back to what you 341 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 3: said about Rob Thompson that he says and kind of 342 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: talks the way that players want their manager to talk. 343 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 3: Can you explain that a little bit more, because I 344 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 3: know sometimes fans want the manager to maybe get on 345 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: a guy a little bit publicly, and you know Rob 346 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 3: does not get super agitated in his postgame press conferences. 347 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: You say it's pretty even keel. 348 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I'm sure Bobby Cox was that 349 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 3: way and some of your other managers that you appreciated. 350 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a long, arduous marathon throughout the 351 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: regular season. If you have a manager that's riding the 352 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: highs and lows with you, we're going to have problems 353 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: throughout the course of the season. You have to be 354 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: able as a player, whether you're going good bed indifferent. 355 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: You want the brutal truth said to you if you 356 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: walk in the office. But I always wanted to look 357 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: down at the end of the dugout and know that 358 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: the guy standing with one arm on the rail is 359 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: locked in and trusts that we're going to figure this 360 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: out and he never waivers. So yeah, it's big for me. 361 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's having different conversations with players behind closed doors, 362 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: but the respect factor that that stuff doesn't get put 363 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: on blast out in the media is huge to building 364 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: a clubhouse chemistry and a relationship with the guys. 365 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 9: It just is. 366 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: I think there's moments where guys got to be called 367 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: to the carpet, no question about it. I don't think 368 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: you go through an entire season and he's just got 369 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: to cover your tushty entire time. But twenty four to 370 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: twenty five games into the seat and he starts showing 371 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: the frustration and panic that the fans are showing. That's 372 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: not the move for the guys in there that have 373 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: given these fans so much and have done so much. 374 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: I could see if it was a different situation, different roster, 375 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: but these guys are These guys are deserving of a 376 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: little time to break out of this funk, so to speak. Yeah, 377 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: curious as to what that was. 378 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 8: How you felt about the Bryan snicker Acuna stuff that 379 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 8: popped out, because I know you, Yes, I have tremendous 380 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 8: respect for the man. I you know, I feel his 381 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 8: steadiness as well, and I think he learned from the 382 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 8: great Ones and Bobby Cox and others. 383 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: But what was your thought about that? Yeah? My thought 384 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: about it is we're all grown men, and if you 385 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: got something to say you can walk into the manager's 386 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: office and voice your displeasure and talk to him as 387 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: a grown man, to sit back and to use social 388 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: media knowing it was going to incite a riot. When 389 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: your team just took three in a row from the Twins, 390 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: you got off to a tough start, you finally got 391 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: some positive momentum, and our superstar player tweets something out 392 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: that that's my hang up with it. I'm not saying 393 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: Ronald's wrong. I think kellen Nick should have been pulled. 394 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: That's how I was raised in the game. I got 395 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: sent to I got benched by I said this on 396 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: the air. I got bench by every manager I ever 397 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: played for for doing something stupid. Lack of hustle, selfish play. 398 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: That's how you learn, and that's how you grow, and 399 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: that's how it never happens again. So it was the 400 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: way he went about it. I just come on, man, 401 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: you're a superstar in this game. You got a big following. 402 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: You knew what it was going to do and how 403 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: it was going to move on social and it's just 404 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: it's not the move. 405 00:21:59,080 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 9: I actually hurt. 406 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: I heard you. 407 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 9: I heard you the other day. You jacked up Kellenick 408 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 9: pretty good on TV the other day about you know, 409 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 9: having no home runs and trotting it like that's he's right, you. 410 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: Know what, Jim, I'm right, Jim, Because how do you 411 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: add value? 412 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 3: Right? 413 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: If you're a bench guy, My value is to pick 414 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: up guys on on on a day off. My job 415 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: is to pinch hit and you know, try and find 416 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: ways to help the team that day. And if I 417 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: get the spots start, I get the spots start. But 418 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: at no point or my five to seven homers throughout 419 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: the course of the season as a bench guy or 420 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: a platoon guy going to change the narrative of who 421 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: we are. So I just feel like you got to 422 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: earn the right to slow trot some homers. I just 423 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I just feel I just feel that way. 424 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: I just don't think you're one or two. You should 425 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: be acting like he carried the team. He had a 426 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: bad moment. It hasn't ever happened. I didn't run a 427 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: ball out in Miami because I was frustrated. I had 428 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: a great ab. I hit a one hot liner. I 429 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: hit a one hot liner to the shortstop and there 430 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: was a guy on first, so I just thought he 431 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: was gonna take the force out at second. I'm, you know, 432 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: cursing myself out running down the first base, but I'm 433 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: running half ass. Well. He flipped it to second. He 434 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: flipped it bad, and they were still able to get 435 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: me at first. I got sent to Richmond that night. Wow, 436 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: Like that's I don't know, that's the way I was 437 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: raised in the game. And I don't think you know 438 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: one size fits all, but that that's what I know. 439 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: If you're not doing your job and you're not hustling, 440 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: and like you should be taking the task for it. 441 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 8: So it's funny you should say that because I had 442 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 8: this saying, and actually was Pat Gillick saying, I'm gonna 443 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 8: play again. 444 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: We like to treat all of our players fairly. 445 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 8: We treat some of them more fairly than others. 446 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: Now, no doubt. Jimmy Johnson, I'm a huge Cowboy fan, 447 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: which the Eagles fans are gonna hate me for saying that. 448 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: Don't worry, We're not gonna be good for a while, 449 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: so I won't be I won't be bothering you. But 450 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: I read Jimmy Johnson's book and he talked about releasing 451 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: a special teams player who was sleeping in a meeting 452 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: and the special Teams player asked him, what if it 453 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: was Troy Aikman, if that was sleeping, He said, I 454 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: would have got him a blanket and a pillow. I 455 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: tell I was raised right. So my thing with Ronald 456 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: gets a lot more leeway than a Jared kell Nick. 457 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: I just can't have you tweeting about it and throwing 458 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: your manager and your teammate on blast. He could have 459 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: walked into Snit's office and said, you benched me for that. 460 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: I don't want a double standard. I want kell Nick's 461 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: ass on the bench today, and you might have. Snip 462 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: might have said, you know why, you're right, and he 463 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: might have won won over Ronald for the rest of 464 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: his career. Who's to say, But you know, sometimes these 465 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: guys we live in a different world now where they 466 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: want to do it a little bit different. 467 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 9: Yeah, everything can be everything can be handled properly. But 468 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 9: I enjoyed your commentary on the MLB Network about the 469 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 9: situation the other day, and I liked how you went 470 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 9: into that story about how Bobby came up chance to 471 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 9: get your stuff together. You're going to. 472 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: Richmond, I think you have to like Yeah, I know, 473 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I was a utility guy for sixteen seasons, 474 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: but at moments I kind of did everything, So. 475 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 7: He gets frustrating. 476 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: It's a frustrating. 477 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: Game, and you make mistakes. I mean, I hit a 478 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: ball in Wrigley Field down the right field line that 479 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: I was foul off the bat, completely foul off the bat, 480 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: and you know, classic Wriggly win blows it back fair 481 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: and I end up with a single loop. And Ella said, 482 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, sit your ass next to me for the 483 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: next five innings. All right, you're right, yes, again, I 484 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: can't argue with it. 485 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 9: How again, how do you see the NLY East Like 486 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 9: the Braves got off to a slow start, Like we 487 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 9: talked earlier in the podcast, there's panic in Philadelphia. How 488 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 9: is their start being viewed in Atlanta? And how do 489 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 9: you see the NL East stacking up? The Mets are 490 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 9: awfully good, that's been good. They've been good since last June. 491 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 9: Who's the team to be here? And and how is 492 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 9: the Braves slow start being you know, dealt with in 493 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 9: the fan base in Atlanta? 494 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's panic in Atlanta. Okay, there's panic in Atlanta. 495 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: They want they want to see what it looks like 496 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: when a couna gets back in there, but they got 497 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: some some question marks as well. But what they're doing, 498 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: But again, you let Strider get assimilated into the rotation 499 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: to expect Sale to be a unanimous Cy Young Award winner. 500 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: You you're not showing up to Northport thinking that he's 501 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: going to be a number one starter. But he's not 502 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: going to bail us out of every game. I love 503 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: the Schwellenbach kid. I think he's tough as nails on 504 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: the mound. Riley's starting to swing the bat. Yeah, the Mets, look, 505 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I'm saying right now. You you'd 506 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: kind of say the Mets are the team to be 507 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: in the NL East. I think they're deep. I think 508 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: they're Juan Soto is only going to get better. Ye, 509 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: their rotation is only going to get stronger. But I 510 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: still say this my my dad taught me a long 511 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: time ago. The game begins and ends on the mauld mark. 512 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: It always will chase chase the pitcheon. Whenever you get 513 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: a chance, chase the pitcheon. It's what I always did. 514 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: If I was ever a free agent, I tried to 515 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: chase some of the pitcheon. Right. So, when you guys 516 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: are healthy and Ranger comes back and hopefully Sanchez is fine. 517 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: The way Lozardo's throwing a ball and Wheeler and Nola, 518 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: I find it hard that you just don't get on 519 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: some type of run. 520 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 3: Here, Mark, I got a couple of questions speaking of pitching, 521 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 3: h I don't want to presume who you would like 522 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 3: to have on your team USA pitching staff next year. Well, 523 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 3: wh come if you want, Well, this is what I 524 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 3: was gonna ask you. What's your sales pitch to get 525 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 3: Zach Wheeler on that squad? He's gonna be a tough 526 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 3: nut to crack if you I'm sure you've thought about 527 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 3: how you can know about it. 528 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: Who's gonna be the opportunity to for the United States 529 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: for the first time, with no disrespect to every team 530 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: that's come before him, for the first time to put 531 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: their best team on the field against the Dominican against Japan, 532 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: against Puerto Rico, whoever that may be. I don't think 533 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: that's happened yet. That would be my sales pitch. Do 534 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: you want to be? I mean, because I mean my 535 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: sales pitches. Hey, in my dreams, when when we head 536 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: to Miami and we got three games to win, Zach, 537 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: you're one of the three best pitchers in the game 538 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: in my opinion, I want you to take the ball 539 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: with USA across your chest and the greatest stars behind you, 540 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: and I want you to go out there and have fun. 541 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 9: When do you make that pitch. 542 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: Sooner rather than later? And maybe more than more right 543 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: now and maybe more than once? And one other thing 544 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you. 545 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: We've we've had a lot of former Phillies on the 546 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 3: show from the kind of the era that you played in. 547 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 3: And you played I think fifty four times against the 548 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 3: Phillies from two thousand and three to twenty thirteen, and 549 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 3: I use those dates for a reason. Chase Utley was 550 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 3: on that team, on those teams from three to twenty thirteen, 551 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 3: did he have any fun interactions or good Chase Utley's stories. 552 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 3: I mean when you were on second base, did he 553 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 3: ever even look get you in smile? 554 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? He gave me very little. There was there was 555 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: a respect like hey, d Row, like I know you're 556 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: a good dude, and I want to say hello to you, 557 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: but I want to rip your face off for nine innes. 558 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: And you know what, I left him alone. I left 559 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: him alone. I was there when he came up. He 560 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: he got called up at the vet and went deep yep, 561 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: like real quick against the braves. If I'm not mistaken, So. 562 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 7: We line drive home run. 563 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 9: It might have been a Grand Slam or a three rund. 564 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. 565 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 8: He ran around the basis about one second. 566 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: Hey, he was the best. He was the best second 567 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: basement of my generation. Right, So you went into those 568 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: games wanting to see where you stood. Like I always 569 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: played that competition. I'm going to outplay whatever position I 570 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: was playing that night. If I was playing second, all right, 571 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: I want to outplay him tonight. That was tough to do. 572 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: You up on the Hall of Fame, he might get there. Yeah, 573 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: he's a stud. He was a stud for a long time. 574 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 9: So Mark, you you played in Veterans Stadium. Yeah, I'm 575 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 9: sure you played in Fenway Park. I know you played 576 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 9: in Wrigley. You also played in Franklin Field, and I 577 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 9: bet you probably shot hoops at the Palaestra. What's what's 578 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 9: the biggest tell me about playing football on Franklin Field? 579 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: Well, they got new turf in there now, Jim. I mean, 580 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: I think you said the only thing I was worried 581 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: about was the iodine scrub from the trainer after it 582 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: took like half your shin off when you tried to 583 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: make a third down. Yeah. I loved my time at 584 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: penn I loved my time in Philly. Yeah, went to 585 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: went to University of Pennsylvania as as as a football 586 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: player and and basically had to beg my way onto 587 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: the baseball team. That's the only way I was gonna 588 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: go there. So yeah, I have a lot of great 589 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: memories for my time as a Quaker. 590 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 10: So you had a huge fan and David Montgomery my boss. 591 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, try to acquire you a few times. 592 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 6: He would have been in hog Heaven. 593 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: Had to be done it. 594 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, you guys kept going, you kept 595 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: going pedro Phi, Lease don't lie Rubin. 596 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 8: I tried to get you twice in the three way, 597 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 8: and that I couldn't get Kevin Towers, but God rest 598 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 8: his soul. 599 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: The flip let's go, Hey, funny, funny story. O nine. 600 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: I'm in Cleveland. I know I'm getting traded at the deadline, 601 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: and Mark Shapiro comes out and goes, hey, uh, don't 602 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: get dressed. We're gonna move you here in the next hour. 603 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: It's either gonna be Saint Louis or Philly. Wow. And 604 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: I was just sitting in my locker going because my 605 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: family's down the shore in Jersey. So I was like, 606 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: all right, this'd be perfect, get back to go to 607 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: Philly play with those monsters they were rolling. I said, 608 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: my parents are gonna be able to come to every game. 609 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: He came walking out, He's like, we traded to the 610 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 1: Saint Louis. I was like, I wasn't devastated, but I 611 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: was like, that's haw. I should have gotten you then, 612 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: I should have gotten you. 613 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 9: Come on, Ruben, how about I just wanted to ask you, like, 614 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 9: you were a teammate at Bryce Harper's when he was 615 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 9: nineteen years old? What was he like then? And compared 616 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 9: to did you kind of see what he was going 617 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 9: to be coming? I guess it was hard not to. 618 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: He was a star then, right, Yeah, Jim, you knew 619 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: instantly Davey Johnson signed me for a reason. Right. I 620 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: was like, kind of that glorified coach at the end, 621 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, get to know Bryce. Take 622 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: a liking to him. I remember first spring training, first 623 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: day of workouts twenty twelve, we hit togethergether in BP 624 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: and then we were shagging balls in the outfield, and 625 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: I was just like, walk me through your story, really, 626 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: and he has lived a different baseball journey than ninety 627 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: nine point nine percent of us whoever made the big leagues, 628 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: you know, to have to leave high school because they 629 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: weren't pitching to him to win the Golden Spikes as 630 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 1: an eighteen year old when he should be a senior 631 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: in college, to have the pressure to be the number 632 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: one pick. Overall, I loved every second, honestly of playing 633 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: with him because I loved being around somebody because I 634 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: didn't think this way. The greats think a little different. 635 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: I was trying to add value and survive and stay 636 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: in the league and make enough money where it was 637 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: worth it all the effort, time and energy and create 638 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: This guy was from nineteen. I'm going to the Hall 639 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 1: of Fame. You're kind of all in my way. It's happening. 640 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: And I just I ate that confidence up that a 641 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,760 Speaker 1: kid that young could feel. He showed up the Dodger 642 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: Stadium his first game, he was ready to rock. There 643 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: was no nerve. I mean, if there was nerves, he 644 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: wasn't showing him. It was like, I've I was born 645 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: to do this. Let me go do my thing. So 646 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: I've had an amazing relationship with Bryce since since twenty twelve. 647 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 9: Would you like him on your roster team on for 648 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 9: the WBC. 649 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: I can't, I can't give. 650 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 9: I can't. 651 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: Yes, we've talked. We have talked. 652 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 9: Take us inside the conversation. 653 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: It was pretty it was pretty easy. He picked up 654 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: in one ring and he goes, I kind of know 655 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: why you're calling. I said, well, let's talk. Let's talk 656 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: this out, dude, because the last time I wanted him 657 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: the last time and he had the elbow right. I 658 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,479 Speaker 1: actually asked him to just come to Miami and sit 659 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 1: on the bench and be a part of it with us, 660 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: and he felt that was a little hokey. He didn't 661 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: want to be there if he couldn't, you know, perform. 662 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: So yeah, there will be a massive push by me 663 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,720 Speaker 1: for him to be on this roster. 664 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 9: Well, if he says yes, you have to come back 665 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 9: on the Phillies Show and break the news. 666 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: We'll get you out as a duel. That's all. There's 667 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: a lot of Phillies to be to be discussed. Hey, 668 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: awesome to have you on. 669 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 8: Thanks so much for joining us. 670 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 2: Man, You're the king. 671 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 3: Thanks again to Mark de Rossa for the time MLB 672 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 3: Central ten am Eastern weekdays on MLB Network, The Philly Show. 673 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 4: We'll be back next week. 674 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 3: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 675 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 3: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Phillies Show on YouTube and 676 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 3: wherever you get your podcasts. If you like us, give 677 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 3: us a review, Follow us on Instagram, TikTok x, Facebook, 678 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 3: and threads. 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