1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff production of iHeart Radio. Hey brain Stuff. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Lauren vogelbamb Here At a meeting in Arlington, Virginia in 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: late one of the Pentagon's top officials told an audience 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: of defense executives that the US is locked in a 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: tight race with Russia and China to develop a new 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: game changing weapon that could fly at many times the 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: speed of sound and could be used to launch a 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: deaf stating attack upon an enemy in a matter of minutes. 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: The assemblage was told by Michael D. Griffin, the Department 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: of Defense is under Secretary for Research and Engineering, that 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: of all of the technological marvels that the Pentagon hoped 12 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: to create, developing a hypersonic missile was his highest priority. 13 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: It's not hard to understand why hypersonic missiles a technology 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: that could be deployed as soon as the mid twenties. 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: It sounds like the sort of exotic menace that a 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: villain would dream up in a James Bond thriller. If 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: we could get them to work, hypersonic missiles could have 18 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: the ability to fly and maneuver its speeds between five 19 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: and twenty five thousand kilometers per hour at a range 20 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: of altitudes up to a hundred kilometers above Earth's surface 21 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: for our non metric friends, that's about three to fifteen 22 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: thousand miles per hour and up to sixty two miles 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: high at the edge of orbital space. These capabilities could 24 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: make it a nightmare to defend against them, because they 25 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: would be moving so fast that it would be difficult 26 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: to predict where they were about to strike until the 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: last few minutes before impact. And because the missiles travel 28 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: at such a high speed, their sheer kinetic energy alone 29 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: would enable them to wreak destruction without carrying any conventional 30 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: explosives or nuclear warheads. There are different potential methods of 31 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: attaining that fantastic speed. One approach is to fire a 32 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: conventional missile that would in turn release a smaller hypersonic 33 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: glide vehicle, which would fly up into the upper layers 34 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: of the atmosphere. Another approach would utilize a rocket or 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: an advanced jet engine, such as a scram jet. Military 36 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: vision areas have been contemplating hypersonic weapons for decades, but 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't until recently that the concept began to seem 38 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: close to fruition due to any one specific breakthrough in technology, 39 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: but rather due to a combination of progresses and political motivation. 40 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: We spoke via email with Eon D. Boyd, a professor 41 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: of airspace engineering at the University of Michigan. He explained, 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: to develop a missile, you first have to show that 43 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: the platform can fly. Emission of interest that was demonstrated 44 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: in the US by scramjet powered demonstration flights. While a 45 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency or DARPA's to flight tests 46 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: of their HTV to boost glide vehicle ended in failure, 47 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: significant progress was demonstrated and important lessons learned. In an 48 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: overlapping time period. The Pentagon demonstrated longer range hypersonic vehicle 49 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: capabilities in their conventional Prompt Strike program. DARPA and the 50 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: Air Force then partnered to mature many of the systems 51 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: needed on a platform to make it into a weapon, 52 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: as such as the guidance, navigation and control materials, structures, 53 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: and rocket boosters. But the US wasn't alone and interest 54 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: in developing high personic capabilities, Boyd said, China was watching 55 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: and learning and at some point started investing in hypersonics 56 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: since it became evident that significant progress was being made 57 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: that at least in numbers of flight tests conducted appeared 58 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: to show China outpacing US efforts, and in Russia, where 59 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: they've worked on hypersonics for decades, like the US, they 60 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: also seem to have had recent successes with test flights. 61 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: In response to the Chinese and Russian progress, the Trump 62 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: administration is pushing to develop hypersonic weapons as soon as possible, 63 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: and as requesting funding of two point six billion dollars 64 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: for hypersonic research by the Air Force, Navy, Army, and 65 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: DARPA in its budget request for the financial year. The 66 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: managing editor for National Security for the Center for Public 67 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 1: Integrity one Our, Jeffrey Smith, reported in the New York 68 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: Times magazine that spending on developing hypersonic weapons could rise 69 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: to five billion dollars a year as the US pushes 70 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: to develop a deployable hypersonic missile system in the next 71 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: two to three years. Though hypersonic missiles could carry nuclear 72 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: war heads, the missiles being developed by the US will 73 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: only be equipped with conventional explosives, but they'll still be 74 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: plenty fearsome. As Smith wrote in the Times quote, the 75 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: missiles function like nearly invisible power drills that smash holes 76 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: in their targets to catastrophic effect. They'll impact their targets 77 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: with a force equivalent to three to four tons of TNT, 78 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: according to Smith. In some ways, hypersonic missiles presented different 79 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: and perhaps even scarier threat to peace than present nuclear arsenals, 80 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: because they could enable a nation to launch a surprise 81 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: attack and cripple an enemy's ability to retaliate, leaving it 82 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: helpless against the threat of a nuclear attack. They'd be 83 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: difficult to defend against for a number of reasons. Their speed, 84 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: the fact that they fly in an area between aviation 85 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: and space flight that we've never had to defend in, 86 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: and they're maneuverable, a meaning that have to be tracked 87 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: throughout their flight with accuracy. Boyd explained another issue quote 88 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: this class of missiles is not covered by any currently 89 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: valid weapons treaty. This poses a number of concerns, including 90 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: the that the nations primarily involved, the US, China, and 91 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: Russia do not have established protocols in place for the 92 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: use of these systems. Finally, the potential for a hypersonic 93 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: weapon to carry either a conventional warhead or a nuclear 94 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: warhead means that a nation under threat wouldn't know whether 95 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: a nuclear response should be considered. That all means that 96 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: in the near future, hypersonic missiles could lead to a 97 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: continuous atmosphere of hyper anxiety, in which nations might be 98 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: afraid to not strike first, or to instantly launch a 99 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: counter attack at the first hint of trouble, or at 100 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: the very least, it could prompt nations to spend even 101 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: more money on not just counter attacks, but defense measures. 102 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: Today's episode was written by Patrick J. Kaiger and produced 103 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,679 Speaker 1: by Tyler. Playing brain Stuff is a production of iHeart 104 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: Radio's How Stuff Works. 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