Speaker 1: What's up. This is street politicians with the streets and
Speaker 1: politics meet. I'm Tamika d. Mallory and on my son
Speaker 1: and welcome to the show. So, a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that's happening in the courts on the federal level. Um,
Speaker 1: all these federal judges. That's why I always say the folks,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, why should we care? Trump said, who
Speaker 1: cares about who the president is? What matters a lot
Speaker 1: because over the period of him becoming president, there's been
Speaker 1: over a hundred federal judges put in place by his administration,
Speaker 1: and that's where it matters, like in the courts, you know,
Speaker 1: so you know, and that's where our young people are
Speaker 1: sort of shuttling through going into the court system. So, uh,
Speaker 1: it really does matter. And obviously you have the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court that he now has a majority, um, you know
Speaker 1: of the court with people that are conservative. And so
Speaker 1: when you think about the types of decisions that are
Speaker 1: being made, they're not decisions that are are generally in favor.
Speaker 1: We know that people who don't look like us get
Speaker 1: less time for the same crime is that's being committed
Speaker 1: by you know, a white person, and so in many scenarios, UM,
Speaker 1: and so we should definitely know what's going on in
Speaker 1: non society. And one of those big cases or big
Speaker 1: issues that came up last week, UM was the Rodney
Speaker 1: Reads situation and can talk about help us understand Rodney Read? Okay, well,
Speaker 1: Ronnie read if you have you haven't paid ben and
Speaker 1: paying attention on Ronnie Reid was a man who was
Speaker 1: on death row for the last twenty years for the
Speaker 1: rape and murder of what's her name, uh, Stacy Sites,
Speaker 1: Stacy Sites or sit. So he was on death row
Speaker 1: for the murder of this woman and over the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks people have petition to stop his execution
Speaker 1: and there was newly discovered evidence. There were witnesses that
Speaker 1: came forward that UM pretty much strong song doubt that
Speaker 1: he even committed this crime. And UM, through the work yea,
Speaker 1: through all of this work he was, they gave him
Speaker 1: a stay of execution. Well, I just want to say
Speaker 1: that the work was really done by the Innocence Project.
Speaker 1: Project had been monitoring the case for the last eighteen years.
Speaker 1: And Stacy Sites is her name. We make make sure
Speaker 1: we call the name of the woman who lost her
Speaker 1: life because regardless of who did it, there is a
Speaker 1: woman who was dead a family that has been grieving
Speaker 1: for many, many years. But the Innocence Project has been
Speaker 1: on this case for eighteen years. And then we saw
Speaker 1: Lee Merritt, Attorney Lee Merritt and Shaun king Um picked
Speaker 1: it up and really brought it to our attention and
Speaker 1: started a campaign that a lot of people, millions of
Speaker 1: people got involved with, millid with and UM. So after
Speaker 1: he was gave him this stay of execution, there are
Speaker 1: a lot of the back his back history and other
Speaker 1: crimes that he's been accused of came up. And then
Speaker 1: there was this online UM grievance saying that which was
Speaker 1: you know, understandable that he had been accused of six sitions.
Speaker 1: I think it was too prior to this. And then
Speaker 1: there was three two more two or three more after
Speaker 1: this case happened that he was accused of Two of
Speaker 1: them he's been um right. Two of them he was
Speaker 1: found not guilty guilty UM. One of them was just
Speaker 1: thrown out, one was he was found out good he
Speaker 1: one was just thrown away without even prosecution. And then
Speaker 1: there was I think three more that never even went
Speaker 1: to trial based on the fact that he was already
Speaker 1: sentenced to capital punishment, so they didn't even bring the
Speaker 1: other three to trial, and a lot of people were
Speaker 1: angry saying had they known this information prior, they wouldn't
Speaker 1: assigned the petition, and you know, that caused a big
Speaker 1: outrage online. And then it was back and forth between
Speaker 1: the Seals and it wasn't it was just she made
Speaker 1: she and he remonded and you know, and I think
Speaker 1: there may have been one of two statements, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say back and forth because you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: but there was just you know, she she stated that
Speaker 1: if she had known that he was um accused of
Speaker 1: this multiple times, that she wouldn't have leended her voice.
Speaker 1: She made no, I don't think she said man. I
Speaker 1: think she was pretty adamant about saying she wouldn't have.
Speaker 1: For me, it was, you know, here's a black man
Speaker 1: that's on trial for his life. I mean, that's facing
Speaker 1: the death penerty and the case that he's been accused of.
Speaker 1: They have evidence that shows that there's a very strong
Speaker 1: possibility that he did not almost that what they're saying
Speaker 1: is that it's almost like impossible for him to have
Speaker 1: been to for him to have committed this crime because
Speaker 1: he wasn't in the area. You know, a lot of things.
Speaker 1: There's a list that people should go and read, but
Speaker 1: there's a lot. And I don't want us to try
Speaker 1: to get into recalling the legal details because sometimes the
Speaker 1: legal details and the stories online merge and then you
Speaker 1: start repeating things. We weren't on the legal team, obviously,
Speaker 1: but definitely from reading what we saw and from the
Speaker 1: information that was being presented from the Innocence Project, it
Speaker 1: looks it seems to all of us that this man
Speaker 1: was not guilty, that the Supreme Court seen evidence and
Speaker 1: decided that it was enough to give him a state
Speaker 1: of exact right, and and also that there is a uh,
Speaker 1: there is a another person who was her fiance DNA
Speaker 1: was present, who could have been there based upon the timeline,
Speaker 1: and who's also made statements that implicates himself, who's saying
Speaker 1: that they've heard him saying that he you know, he
Speaker 1: admitted to So there was definitely enough evidence to at
Speaker 1: least get this man to stay of executing second trial.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of disheartening to me that the accusations,
Speaker 1: because they are merely accusations at this point. There's been
Speaker 1: no no, he hasn't been convicted of anything, and that
Speaker 1: people seeing that these accusations was enough to say, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't lend my voice to stopping this man from being
Speaker 1: murdered for something that it almost seems impossible that he did,
Speaker 1: you know, and and and and it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: weird to me, like, you know, and it's not even
Speaker 1: about the death penalty or me being against it. It's
Speaker 1: just being right a wrong. Like, if if I'm guilty
Speaker 1: of something, and you know I'm guilty of it, then
Speaker 1: let me deal with the consequence of that. But if
Speaker 1: I'm sentenced to life or to death in prison for
Speaker 1: something that everybody can see that I'm not guilty of,
Speaker 1: but because there's a possibility that I may be guilty
Speaker 1: of something else, you wouldn't lend your voice to stop
Speaker 1: me from being killed. You know. That's kind of that's
Speaker 1: kind of that's kind of dangerous for me. That's especially
Speaker 1: and especially in the climate that we are in America
Speaker 1: as black people and black men, we understand that's one
Speaker 1: of the most the biggest you know, um, the biggest
Speaker 1: accusations that have killed black man thought you know, historical
Speaker 1: and we go all the way back to Emmett till
Speaker 1: just whistling at a white woman got you killed. So
Speaker 1: when we understand I mean that, they say, you know
Speaker 1: I'm saying so when when you and then now she says,
Speaker 1: he never even did that. So when we when the
Speaker 1: woman I forgot the name, the woman who accused, When
Speaker 1: we look at this situation and we understand how rape
Speaker 1: of white women has been weaponized against black men throughout
Speaker 1: history to kill us, and we don't and we lend
Speaker 1: our voice to continue to heighten that without any real evidence,
Speaker 1: it's well, let me just say so. I think it's
Speaker 1: important in this situation, and particularly when you think about
Speaker 1: what a man that stated. She said, I wish I
Speaker 1: had known that the information was not presented as far
Speaker 1: as she's concerned in the top line of issues that
Speaker 1: people needed to know about Rodney Reid Um and and
Speaker 1: actually she I talked. She and I talked about this,
Speaker 1: and I agree with her that people should know and
Speaker 1: it and it seems that the legal team and Shaun
Speaker 1: King and others who have been leading this uh this campaign,
Speaker 1: they also knew that the information should be made readily
Speaker 1: available to folks, which is why you can find where
Speaker 1: there have been lives done by Lee merrit Um. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously those lives disappear after twenty four hours, but the
Speaker 1: alive was definitely done at least two lives where they
Speaker 1: talked about on Instagram, where they talked about these other allegations.
Speaker 1: Dr Phil included it as part of the interview that
Speaker 1: he did with Rodney Read directly where he asked him
Speaker 1: specifically about these allegations. Um, you know, and the Innocence
Speaker 1: Project has talked about it, and Sean has also posted
Speaker 1: things about this, specifically this twelve year old girl, which
Speaker 1: I think is a really important piece for us to
Speaker 1: like pay attention to, because anytime someone says that there's
Speaker 1: allegations that someone may have raped a twelve year old,
Speaker 1: it's important. One thing I think is important for us
Speaker 1: to know about that incident is that at the time,
Speaker 1: because the way the visual of it is that this
Speaker 1: older man raped this young twelve year old girl. You're
Speaker 1: looking at Rodney Read's picture and you see him as
Speaker 1: the rapist of a child, when the truth of the
Speaker 1: matter is this happened so long ago that he would
Speaker 1: have been in high school and she was twelve at
Speaker 1: the time. So not that that makes it right, but
Speaker 1: it's important to put these things in the proper in
Speaker 1: the proper perspective, right, um, and uh, the the DNA
Speaker 1: evidence came back that he may have been one of
Speaker 1: more than ten people a category because DNA evidence at
Speaker 1: that time was not the same as it is today
Speaker 1: today they can be more conclusive with the new technology,
Speaker 1: but at the time it was sort of put you
Speaker 1: in a category of you know, of of others that
Speaker 1: it could be. So clearly several black men probably could
Speaker 1: you know, could have been the ones to commit this
Speaker 1: rate and the young girl's family as well as the
Speaker 1: girl stated that she knew who her who her rapists
Speaker 1: was and never mentioned or never named Rodney Reed. So
Speaker 1: you know that's important, yeh. But but when I hear
Speaker 1: that someone has had multiple allegations of rape, including from
Speaker 1: people that are actually you know, who were his who
Speaker 1: he had personal relationships with, like you know, a significant other,
Speaker 1: you know, people he was in past relationships with, that
Speaker 1: does cause it's a it's a cause for concern for me.
Speaker 1: It would not have stopped me from promoting the petition,
Speaker 1: telling people to sign it, and from you know, supporting
Speaker 1: this particular situation because I understand clearly that um, you know,
Speaker 1: killing someone for a crime that we're not sure they
Speaker 1: committed is first of all, let's be clear. I don't
Speaker 1: think that we as human beings have the right to
Speaker 1: take the life of another individual anyway. Execution for me,
Speaker 1: is wrong, and I think we need to abolish the
Speaker 1: death penalty period. I don't know. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: mean when I think if doing clear cut facts of
Speaker 1: rape and you know, child station, I'm I'm all for,
Speaker 1: Like those are two words crimes in the world. To me,
Speaker 1: if if the facts if the problem for me with
Speaker 1: this situation was that a man just a sister, like
Speaker 1: you know, she's our sister, but listening to a live
Speaker 1: and I understood her points like she wanted to know,
Speaker 1: like she should have been given that information prior to
Speaker 1: her voice or something. She was right, But when she
Speaker 1: started to state the crimes that the man was I
Speaker 1: mean accused of, they were inaccurate. There was there weren't.
Speaker 1: She weren't in factual about what she stated and and
Speaker 1: using inaccurate statements further incriminated that man because she has
Speaker 1: a very big follow so she utilized her voice to
Speaker 1: talk about crimes that he was he was accused of.
Speaker 1: Another another murder another murder. But she since said, I mean,
Speaker 1: we who are we to judge when you call someone
Speaker 1: a rapist. I'm not gonna say that we need to
Speaker 1: be careful because I didn't hear her ever say that
Speaker 1: the man was a rapist. She said he had been accused.
Speaker 1: You said that he was accused of and then when
Speaker 1: you say it they murdered someone else and and accused
Speaker 1: and and then and you say it with like man
Speaker 1: of fact, nonus and you say it with the level
Speaker 1: of anger. You weren't saying like, hey, well he did
Speaker 1: this and this. She was like, he did this too. No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: She didn't say he did that. He was accused of this,
Speaker 1: and I'm concerned, and you know, and it sounds like
Speaker 1: this and it could be different. But she never said
Speaker 1: when you look at everyone, I've never said she didn't
Speaker 1: say he did it. But sorry, what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: What she said he was accused of and this is
Speaker 1: what he was accused of. And when she said it,
Speaker 1: there was a certain level of passion. I'm watching you.
Speaker 1: I believe that you believe or you like, okay, he
Speaker 1: had to do something to a certain degree, and that's
Speaker 1: what we have to be careful about because I don't
Speaker 1: want to let my voice to harmon someone or putting
Speaker 1: someone in predicament to what it whether it could be
Speaker 1: you know, um killed or even accused of the worst
Speaker 1: problem that's on nature. Like, we have to really be
Speaker 1: careful being a black man, understanding the times that we
Speaker 1: live in, understand the times we've always lived in. We
Speaker 1: are easily escape, but we are easily vilified and monsterized,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So when these situations like this,
Speaker 1: we have to be careful. We do, and I want
Speaker 1: to make sure we give some facts about the death
Speaker 1: penalty so folks know what's going on. So as of
Speaker 1: April first, two thousand and eighteen twenty more than people
Speaker 1: are on death row. And I think there is a
Speaker 1: level of in humanity or something. It's in humane treatment
Speaker 1: to just have people sitting on death row for years
Speaker 1: and years and years, not knowing what day is going
Speaker 1: to come PTSD, that's all types of things. Every day
Speaker 1: you're just waiting to die. And I wonder how many
Speaker 1: people on death row look like us, Like I wondered,
Speaker 1: I want to know the numbers. I'm sure the Innocence
Speaker 1: Project knows that um and then but more than twenty
Speaker 1: states have stopped the death penalty. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: when attorney to acting Attorney General bar when he came
Speaker 1: into office and Trump's under Trump's Trump's administration, he began
Speaker 1: to resume exoneration. So he wanted to go ahead and
Speaker 1: start getting this list down from hundred or more than
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred, and go ahead and start executing people again.
Speaker 1: And a federal judge just days ago blocked at least
Speaker 1: four executions across the country, citing that some states are
Speaker 1: when they when they actually do the execution, they're using
Speaker 1: inhumane methods of of of basically killing people, and they
Speaker 1: want to, you know, basically talk about the constitution and
Speaker 1: and how this may or may not be right, and so,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, again, I think it's a it's
Speaker 1: a slippery slope because there are too many people in
Speaker 1: prison right now who are accused of crimes that they
Speaker 1: did not commit. And even when there's there's evidence, even
Speaker 1: that is like, whose evidence is it? Is it true?
Speaker 1: Is it not? So I think the death penalty is
Speaker 1: something that we might need to. We definitely need to
Speaker 1: people who have been exonerated after thirty or forty years exactly.
Speaker 1: And so imagine if those people have years they would
Speaker 1: put to death, like you know, so you know it's
Speaker 1: not it's not really a fair situation. No, it's not.
Speaker 1: So that's what I said, you got to abolish the
Speaker 1: death penalty, and you came back and said something I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to say. I think when it's when it's clear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but see that because we can't depend on this system
Speaker 1: to be clear, or I think certain things are clear.
Speaker 1: If you kept somebody in the act, if you like,
Speaker 1: it should be there should be criterias like anything else.
Speaker 1: There has to be a standard this guy, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it should be a standard, Like why shouldn't
Speaker 1: it be a standard if I if we cut you
Speaker 1: in the act raping and murdering somebody in the act,
Speaker 1: and we got you on video came and we know
Speaker 1: it's you, Okay, you one of those two or three
Speaker 1: people that need to go. But if we have if
Speaker 1: you still fight in your cases, you don't have clear
Speaker 1: present evidence to show us that it had to be
Speaker 1: you and there's nobody else, then you know, then we
Speaker 1: need to So you think this system is going to
Speaker 1: do that fairly? Anyway we can come onto another topic.
Speaker 1: But so, what in the world is I don't even
Speaker 1: know what to say about this Kaepernick situation at this point.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've debated it in multiple different ways for
Speaker 1: a while, but after this past weekend, Um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not going to give my statement
Speaker 1: on it yet because I'm gonna let you say your side.
Speaker 1: But I feel like it has caused so much tension
Speaker 1: and confusion. And you say division, perhaps division is what
Speaker 1: it is, but there is. So it's almost like white
Speaker 1: supremacy wins again because you see so many people black
Speaker 1: folks who are of a particular you know, status in
Speaker 1: our community, places that people go to for information. And
Speaker 1: when you have those folks saying two totally different things
Speaker 1: on this issue in such a a very it's a
Speaker 1: passionate and harsh way. It's very very um. I don't
Speaker 1: even want to say it's dangerous, but it's confusing, it is,
Speaker 1: and you know, and that's what it was for me.
Speaker 1: It started out with division, you know, prior prior to
Speaker 1: even this workout. You know, I just watched how the
Speaker 1: whole Kaepernick decision, even when Jay Z got involved, it
Speaker 1: started to divide us because you know, both of them
Speaker 1: means so much to our culture. You know what Jay
Speaker 1: has done in music and entrepreneurship, and you know even
Speaker 1: his his entry into the movement and how he supported
Speaker 1: things people within the movement. Then with Kaepernick, that stand
Speaker 1: he took that was necessary, that highlighted and brought to
Speaker 1: light the injustice step blacks and you know, brown people
Speaker 1: deal with in this commune, in our communities, and how
Speaker 1: our lives are not valued at the same rate, and
Speaker 1: the stands that he took. And to see both of
Speaker 1: those people pitted against each other, and I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly which parts each of one of them played, but
Speaker 1: to see how the media continued to highlight it, continue
Speaker 1: to perpetuate it, and see how a lot of people
Speaker 1: just jumped on sides and like, oh this person is
Speaker 1: a cool or this person did this, and it was
Speaker 1: like it was It was disheartening to me because I
Speaker 1: understood this was Malcolm and Martin all over again. This
Speaker 1: was two of our greatest cultural you know, icons being
Speaker 1: pitted against each other, when if you combine both of them,
Speaker 1: where we could have got anybody knows about this, cal
Speaker 1: and Captainick, I don't think it was no. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't think it was nobody because I've been too u.
Speaker 1: I don't think there was nobody that was more adamant
Speaker 1: about being with Cap than I was. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: for three straight years, our boycotted every NFL program. People
Speaker 1: my battle rap, people who went to NFL. Me and
Speaker 1: them had online beef to where we're seeing each other
Speaker 1: in the streets. We had to pull each other to
Speaker 1: the side and talk about it. I called out people
Speaker 1: who were at halftime shows getting honored civil rights but
Speaker 1: I've called out everyone for nuts boycott the NFL, you know.
Speaker 1: And then when NFL, I mean when Kaepernick got his collusion,
Speaker 1: when he got the settlement and he did the NBA,
Speaker 1: I was kind of disappointed. I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 1: was means, he cannot disclose what you know around the lawsuits.
Speaker 1: So when he when he took when he made the deal,
Speaker 1: which he should have got paid for, but the NBA
Speaker 1: just kind of like silenced him on to me because
Speaker 1: it was no more vocality about the situation. Nobody was
Speaker 1: talking about. You know what I'm say, it might be
Speaker 1: a world I mean, look look it up. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so when when he took the deal and and there
Speaker 1: was not much talk. A lot of people was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so we can go back to washingtonot Wall. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: You know, I had a conversation with you. We had
Speaker 1: all we just like, what's going on? So what do
Speaker 1: we do? What do what is the movement? Where we
Speaker 1: boy kind were not is good is he? And there
Speaker 1: was no talk about it. So until jay Z announced
Speaker 1: his partnership, you know, then it became all his talk.
Speaker 1: So now we bring brings us here to this workout. Now,
Speaker 1: when I heard about the workout, okay, this makes sense
Speaker 1: if if he really wants to play, because he's been adamant,
Speaker 1: he's got three or four commercials that you see, he's
Speaker 1: been denied. He still wants to play. He shows himself
Speaker 1: working out. He wants to play football. You know, I said, okay,
Speaker 1: j is in there now, maybe said, whyn't you give
Speaker 1: him my opportunity? Man? He wants Maybe this is just
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking. I'm thinking. It makes sense. You're in there.
Speaker 1: You've been supporting him before before all of this controversy.
Speaker 1: You was wearing the cap jersey, the interviews, talking about
Speaker 1: how what he did with Heroic, how you loved what
Speaker 1: he did. Every show you was talking about Kabinick taking
Speaker 1: a knee. You you you denied yourself away from the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. You didn't even do the super Bowl because
Speaker 1: you sit with him, So you you were definitely supporting
Speaker 1: this man. Nobody can't say you wasn't. So now that
Speaker 1: you're in these rooms with these people, I would assume
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you say, well, why don't you give him?
Speaker 1: Why don't you just give him, let him try to
Speaker 1: let him see, like, give him a workout something. So
Speaker 1: this workout that everybody's like, oh, why is it on Saturday?
Speaker 1: Because this whole situation has never happened before. You know,
Speaker 1: we've never seen a situation with somebody sued the NFL
Speaker 1: and then went back to them after collusion. You know,
Speaker 1: we haven't. These are these are these All of these
Speaker 1: times are different. So somebody he set up, they set
Speaker 1: up the NFL set up a workout on the Saturday.
Speaker 1: So everybody was skeptical. Wise it on Saturday? Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: Kaepernick ask some questions what is this about? He went
Speaker 1: online and said, I can't wait to see the NFL
Speaker 1: on sadd So cool. I'm all right, so this should
Speaker 1: be good. Then there goes into you know, the problem
Speaker 1: with the contracts that we hear by the crowning where
Speaker 1: he can't bring his cameraman. He they weren't open it
Speaker 1: to the public, and then to the ass and then
Speaker 1: then then ultimately it fell through and ultimately Cabinet ended
Speaker 1: up doing his own workout in a school um about
Speaker 1: an hour away from the original place. The owners and
Speaker 1: representatives from the teams that were supposed to show up
Speaker 1: ultimately did eight of them did. Now, my issue with
Speaker 1: the whole thing was this, I didn't know. First of all,
Speaker 1: I don't even know why you want to play for
Speaker 1: the NFL at this point. What they've done to you.
Speaker 1: They've showed you that they don't have your best interest,
Speaker 1: and they showed you that you can't really trust them.
Speaker 1: They showed you that they really don't want you there.
Speaker 1: For three whole years, like you said, you've been denied that.
Speaker 1: People in front offices, people, all these people have figured
Speaker 1: out how to stop you. Right. So now you go
Speaker 1: to a situation and they give you a contract that
Speaker 1: you say, I'm not signing this because a waiver, and
Speaker 1: you say I'm not signing because it gives away my rights.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, they have to
Speaker 1: make you sign because they gotta protect themselves. And you know,
Speaker 1: you in bed with the devil, but you still want
Speaker 1: to get in bed with them. They're not gonna give
Speaker 1: you a car Okay, Look, you can come in here
Speaker 1: and you can try out, and if we don't like you,
Speaker 1: then you can see us. Hey, we're gonna let you
Speaker 1: do that. And you're not gonna go in in and
Speaker 1: say I can't sue you, because if you don't, then
Speaker 1: I still need to have records. So there's no way
Speaker 1: that this situation can work at all, and everybody knows this.
Speaker 1: The only way it could work is if you're willing
Speaker 1: to have manage some of your right. The NFL is
Speaker 1: not going to give you car blanche. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: allow you to walk into their facilities and still be
Speaker 1: able to suit them if they don't. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: But no businessman is gonna do that. I think what
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense is not I think that's starting at
Speaker 1: the middle or the end. I think that what doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense is what they did to Colin, and that
Speaker 1: at this point it now means that if you're willing
Speaker 1: to come to the table. Then you got to come
Speaker 1: to the table, humble. You can't you as the perpetrator
Speaker 1: of something that ended up hurting this man, taking away
Speaker 1: his ability to play the game that he loves because
Speaker 1: he stood up for black and brown people. I heard D. L.
Speaker 1: Huge Ley's explanation for how he feels about the whole thing,
Speaker 1: which was obviously very you know, it was different from
Speaker 1: Stephen A. Smith's, and I love what DL huge Ley said.
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick is not a rapist, He is not a UH,
Speaker 1: He's not a h. He hasn't committed any crimes. He
Speaker 1: has not been even committing crimes outside of football, right, Like,
Speaker 1: he has a pretty stellar background and record, And what
Speaker 1: happened to him in terms of him being blackball for
Speaker 1: kneeling uh to bring awareness to the injustice committed against
Speaker 1: black and brown people is outrageous and and and the
Speaker 1: fact that he is not able to play. The NFL
Speaker 1: did that they're responsible for. They committed a crime in
Speaker 1: my judgment again, this man and against our communities. So
Speaker 1: if you're going to bring him in for a workout,
Speaker 1: then you need to bring him in Trying to do
Speaker 1: business the way you do business all the time. That's
Speaker 1: what the hell you in trouble for in the first place,
Speaker 1: trying to play games to blackball this man and concluding
Speaker 1: to stop him from being able to play football. So
Speaker 1: now if all of a sudden you bring him in
Speaker 1: for a workout and you're doing the same ship, which
Speaker 1: means you provided him with a waiver that does not
Speaker 1: look like the waiver that other individuals received, you are
Speaker 1: still not being honest. You are the problems you got.
Speaker 1: But the issue is that as an institution, as an institution,
Speaker 1: they don't have the right to be that, and we
Speaker 1: have we have to deal with life on life, and
Speaker 1: we don't have to do that because then then every
Speaker 1: day that we get up and do this work, when
Speaker 1: we get out and drive to d C at four
Speaker 1: and five o'clock in the morning to protest this thing,
Speaker 1: this issue of that issue, to stand up for the
Speaker 1: things that concerned us, we should stop doing that because
Speaker 1: life on life, because life let me finish, because life
Speaker 1: on life turns would mean that it is what it is,
Speaker 1: that the whole damn system is guilty as hell, and
Speaker 1: we just stuck having to deal with that. And instead
Speaker 1: we have a vision and we dream for something that
Speaker 1: is beyond that, and we have to go up against
Speaker 1: the system every single day and every single turn. We
Speaker 1: have to go up against the system to make it,
Speaker 1: to break it down, to break it down to work
Speaker 1: for us. So I think that what Colin Kaepernick represents
Speaker 1: and what it is that he has been doing is
Speaker 1: exactly his role. Do I think that he could do
Speaker 1: things different? Do I think he could do things better?
Speaker 1: Do I think that there should have been a better
Speaker 1: coordinating strategy around his movement and how we keep it
Speaker 1: going even after he was he got his deal or
Speaker 1: has won his lawsuit or you know, they settled his
Speaker 1: his his case. Yes, absolutely I could critique it. I
Speaker 1: can see it. I know that where the issues and
Speaker 1: the holes were, and if somebody would asked me, I
Speaker 1: would tell them. But that let's put that to the side.
Speaker 1: The bottom line here is that the actor, the bad actor,
Speaker 1: is the NFL, and they don't get to just sit
Speaker 1: around and operate as business as usual and continue right
Speaker 1: in front of our faces to do the same ship
Speaker 1: that they've been doing against this man and other individuals.
Speaker 1: So I think he did the right thing exposing their hypocrisy.
Speaker 1: But with the bottom line is you have divided. What
Speaker 1: happened is this, You've divided your own supporters. The NFL
Speaker 1: never had no supporters in this situation. Nobody was ever
Speaker 1: with the NFL. Everybody was against the NFL. They said,
Speaker 1: what you did to Kellen Kaepernick. Everybody, all the people
Speaker 1: who are in everybody's in this conversation now, from Stephen A. Smith,
Speaker 1: the Shannon's shop to all of these people to um everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody was like, what they did the Kaebernick is wrong.
Speaker 1: They need to give him an opportunity. What you did
Speaker 1: now was you gave the NFL opportunity to make no. No, no, no. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you don't agree, but you cannot agree with
Speaker 1: me when okay, no, no, no, what people no? Because
Speaker 1: the bottom line is if you just would have said
Speaker 1: from the beginning, I don't want that. I don't want what.
Speaker 1: I don't want what you that cartract you sent me
Speaker 1: right there right it does not work for me, and
Speaker 1: you try to make me sign against my rights. I'm
Speaker 1: not No, you didn't do that. What you did was
Speaker 1: that the day two hour before you went and change
Speaker 1: the thing. You made it look like you were not
Speaker 1: for you. You change the venue, you change the location.
Speaker 1: You didn't notify people. It made it look like you
Speaker 1: were unprofessional. Then you said you called out the NFL
Speaker 1: and called them for running. What you did was divide
Speaker 1: your own supporters. You didn't. You didn't. You didn't hurt
Speaker 1: the NFL with that, because nobody they are hurt. Because
Speaker 1: see the problem is that there are some folks who
Speaker 1: have used this as an opportunity to go back and say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: now what happens. But here's the bottom line. My song
Speaker 1: history will record later on, much later, won't we are
Speaker 1: gray here? Oh, if God gives us life that long,
Speaker 1: will record that the that the NFL is a racist
Speaker 1: has always been a it's always recording. They're starting out.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't even let people it's never been, but it is.
Speaker 1: But it is more clear at this point because of
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick's work and because of him exposing them for
Speaker 1: what they are. At the end of the day, the
Speaker 1: people who are responsible for what is happening in this moment,
Speaker 1: it's not Colin Kaepernet. He is doing the best that
Speaker 1: he can within the situation he's dealing with, and he
Speaker 1: should be able to play football. He should be able
Speaker 1: to play football. I don't agree with you, but I
Speaker 1: don't agree with and I can You cannot know, but
Speaker 1: you cannot agree with the fact to the same situation.
Speaker 1: Cannot agree, You cannot agree with me, but you cannot
Speaker 1: agree with the facts. You cannot agree that that. Now,
Speaker 1: prior to to this suation, with this World Cup, there
Speaker 1: was not one black person that were probably one. There
Speaker 1: wasn't nobody that would publicly say they didn't understand or
Speaker 1: cat just messed up. You can, but that's that has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with the media. We have to
Speaker 1: continue to talk about with the media. With the media
Speaker 1: was with him before. The media never been with him.
Speaker 1: They never be They poitted, they have Most people in
Speaker 1: the media have exploited this situation for clicks, likes and views.
Speaker 1: Nobody You know why we know that they're not with
Speaker 1: him because if they were with him, they would have
Speaker 1: shut down even covering what's happened to because Edry still
Speaker 1: plays in the NFL and that's his best friend that
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be able to play. So the people commentators,
Speaker 1: the commentators, that's their job because everybody to keep this
Speaker 1: is everybody's point of view. Oh, he went to school
Speaker 1: for this. This is his passion. He wants to play,
Speaker 1: and he should be okay. So the commentators who went
Speaker 1: to school to be commentators and they got their their job,
Speaker 1: they should have gave up their job when the foot
Speaker 1: your best friend who's a football player can still play
Speaker 1: where they don't even let you. Everybody's supposed to give
Speaker 1: up their own livelihood. I don't care I ever ever defend.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I would have never went back to the ship.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, bottom line, I'm not gonna play for you.
Speaker 1: You can't give me that. You send that back. I'm
Speaker 1: a man first, I'm not gonna you know what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do. I'm gonna call my own workout. If you
Speaker 1: want to see me, I'm gonna be here. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say that before. I'm not gonna get on social media
Speaker 1: and say hey, I'm okay with being there and didn't
Speaker 1: give them the opportunity to make it seem like that's
Speaker 1: what That's what you do. If they feed you and
Speaker 1: they don't have to treat you equals. As long as
Speaker 1: your enemy for you, Barracus is all time. As long
Speaker 1: as you allow your enemy to feed you, they would
Speaker 1: never treat you equal. I am I'm gonna say this
Speaker 1: and we can definitely move on. The only people responsible
Speaker 1: for what has happened here are is the NFL. Those folks,
Speaker 1: those people are responsible. What's for what's happening? You're not responsible.
Speaker 1: I'm not responsible, But I'm responsible for how I react.
Speaker 1: No no one no responsible. No one who is a
Speaker 1: football player or an entertainer started out being the perfect activists.
Speaker 1: And so there are mishaps. There's things that happened that
Speaker 1: people can't necessarily understand. We don't know all the details.
Speaker 1: You know when you redefine print things that his lawyers
Speaker 1: and others may have done. But here's the bottom line
Speaker 1: for me. I support Colin Kaepernick until the end because
Speaker 1: I support Colin Kaepernick until the end because what the
Speaker 1: situation he finds himself. It was done to him by
Speaker 1: racist system. And you know, we can agree. We can
Speaker 1: agree to that. With the rest of it we don't
Speaker 1: agree on at all because I'm not going away. Don't
Speaker 1: want me. That's like me trying to force myself in
Speaker 1: the relationship. You locking the door, you don't change the locks,
Speaker 1: and you say, oh, you could come at Yeah, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to tell you. I'm not the man
Speaker 1: to do that, So that's why I can't identify with that.
Speaker 1: That's fine, but you know, we could get into that
Speaker 1: and make them and draw some parallels too. But anyway, anyway, UM,
Speaker 1: you know, this missing girl's situation hasn't really been It's
Speaker 1: not that I don't know that girls are missing. I
Speaker 1: mean I've heard it. I've had to help a few
Speaker 1: families who were in need of support reposting things. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I helped the family get an attorney, um,
Speaker 1: because you know, they they felt that they knew where
Speaker 1: their child was and they couldn't get help to you know,
Speaker 1: figure out if this particular person in in in their
Speaker 1: local community had in fact abducted their child. And I
Speaker 1: helped them to it an attorney and um, you know,
Speaker 1: and and in fact that the child was not there,
Speaker 1: which is really unfortunate. But nonetheless, I know that missing
Speaker 1: girls is an issue. It's a it's been a problem.
Speaker 1: It's not a new phenomenon, but there is definitely a
Speaker 1: new there's spotlight on it because particularly in Atlanta and Alabama,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot more cases that have come for
Speaker 1: you know, people who have come forward, a lot more
Speaker 1: cases that have happened, and because of social media. Just
Speaker 1: like the police brutality, Police brutality did not start with
Speaker 1: Mike Brown. It didn't start with Eric Ghana to me
Speaker 1: and Rice, it didn't start with these later names that
Speaker 1: we call our new the hashtag um era that we're in.
Speaker 1: It didn't start there. Police brutality has been going on forever,
Speaker 1: whether it's the lynching of black people, um you know,
Speaker 1: all the way again until modern day. So we know
Speaker 1: that the issues have occurred, but social media has given
Speaker 1: us a new way of seeing it, really literally being
Speaker 1: able to see a woman jumping out of a trunk
Speaker 1: literally literally you can see that now where we were
Speaker 1: never able to see it before. And they say that
Speaker 1: somewhere around sixty five thousand women are missing, and largely
Speaker 1: black and brown girls. And I think the thing that
Speaker 1: is really upsetting my soul is that it is not
Speaker 1: a national suppress story. It's not a national media emergency.
Speaker 1: There's nobody you know there. I don't even see elected
Speaker 1: officials who we know, love and trust out there speaking
Speaker 1: up enough about this issue. It's kind of it's very disheartening. Man.
Speaker 1: I've seen I think it was Egypt. There's um a
Speaker 1: little video with Egypt talking about it and you know
Speaker 1: radio the radio post, and she was talking about how
Speaker 1: nobody's talking about it and how it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: really getting dangerous, and how the numbers like you said,
Speaker 1: sixty five thousand. They said, there's estimated about two hundred
Speaker 1: fifty minorities, and sixty of them are black women. That
Speaker 1: people of color, the people of color that have been
Speaker 1: kidnapped or or missing. And they said, like you said,
Speaker 1: sixty In other words, the other pool is it's diverse,
Speaker 1: but it's it's a smaller pool, and the majority of
Speaker 1: the people who have been abducted or are missing in general, um,
Speaker 1: sixty thousand of them are black. And it's just like
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like we have to do something, Like I'm
Speaker 1: really want to call like black men, like we have
Speaker 1: to do something to protect Like they've just taken our
Speaker 1: women out of our commune. These in Atlanta, Alabama, Like
Speaker 1: these are places that they're taking black women from and
Speaker 1: they're just not showing up anymore. So like we have
Speaker 1: to I think there has to be a cult action,
Speaker 1: you know, Bob, black men to to start on surveilling
Speaker 1: our communities, to start checking doing checking you know, we
Speaker 1: have to have some level of system to which we
Speaker 1: know that our women are protected, because this is completely
Speaker 1: our end. The fact that it's not being talked about
Speaker 1: it even worse. And there are black women who I
Speaker 1: have seen, like you know a few people, we see
Speaker 1: their shots. They've been arrested because they were caught, you know,
Speaker 1: trafficking women or abducting a woman or a child. Um.
Speaker 1: And particularly in Alabama. I think it was in Montgomery, Alabama,
Speaker 1: where the little three year old girl, Cupcake, her body
Speaker 1: was found in a garbage dumpster after she was abducted
Speaker 1: just playing outside of a house with another little kid. Um.
Speaker 1: There was a man and woman rested for it and
Speaker 1: have been you know, charged with with her murder. Um.
Speaker 1: And I wonder I want to be able to say,
Speaker 1: not that I don't think that there are horrible women
Speaker 1: out here as well that do crazy things, um awful things,
Speaker 1: but I wonder whether or not some of the women
Speaker 1: who are involved in these abductions are also victims of
Speaker 1: sex trafficking, you know, if they're if this is the
Speaker 1: job that they are now they are tasked with because
Speaker 1: of the fact that they also are have been traffic
Speaker 1: they are living as a you know, as a part
Speaker 1: a person who has been abducted. It's a very dangerous situation.
Speaker 1: And I'm almost to the point where I want to
Speaker 1: I want to sit down with some of these abductors
Speaker 1: and find out what the hell is going on here. Now,
Speaker 1: I know I'm going too far on the limb, but
Speaker 1: you know, me and my little conspiracies when I think
Speaker 1: about the child separation, um, and you know, I've been
Speaker 1: saying that the children who were separated from their partment's
Speaker 1: parents trying to get into the s, particularly on the
Speaker 1: Trump's administration. Now, let's be clear, even during Obama, there
Speaker 1: were definitely UM people deported, many people deported, a lot
Speaker 1: of people deported. The family separation situation has been extremely,
Speaker 1: extremely hard to watch. Um. We know that there are
Speaker 1: folks and you see it's not in the media as much,
Speaker 1: so people are not talking about it. But there are
Speaker 1: people in camps right now and children in Harlem in
Speaker 1: New York City living in shelters and in buildings with
Speaker 1: these different programs. The question that we have to keep
Speaker 1: asking ourselves is when they say they lost some kids,
Speaker 1: they lost some paperwork, they sent families back home without
Speaker 1: a way to connect with their child. Who's here in
Speaker 1: the US. Who is checking that? Who is checking that?
Speaker 1: And what is happening with these children? Are they being
Speaker 1: as we know in history? You know, throughout our history
Speaker 1: we've seen children being stolen, sold, become child child slaves
Speaker 1: in different homes, moved to other countries. We know what
Speaker 1: Jeff Epstein, this man who they were literally just about
Speaker 1: to really come down on him, who's one of Trump's homeboys.
Speaker 1: That was one of the main charges is that he
Speaker 1: was involved in sex trafficking. So that worries me. So
Speaker 1: now when I think about that and then these girls
Speaker 1: are missing, there's got to be It's not a coincidence.
Speaker 1: There has to be a relationship between the two things.
Speaker 1: That people are missing, women are missing, girls are missing,
Speaker 1: and body parts are missing. That's crazy, Like, I don't
Speaker 1: because that's another thing they say they're selling organs. You know.
Speaker 1: It's just so we just live in really dangerous times man,
Speaker 1: And and I just I ask you just pay attention, man,
Speaker 1: do checkens, especially these young ladies. You got to be
Speaker 1: very careful. If you have daughters, you have sisters, you know,
Speaker 1: make sure that you are you keep your eyes on them,
Speaker 1: protect your communities. Man like we already see that we
Speaker 1: were dealing with in our community. So we have to
Speaker 1: do our own public police, and we gotta police our
Speaker 1: own community. We gotta make sure that we are safe
Speaker 1: because we cannot depend on anyone else to make No
Speaker 1: one is more important in terms of the defense of
Speaker 1: our community. We are the first line of defense. We
Speaker 1: know when there's someone in our community that doesn't look right.
Speaker 1: We know when we see young women who look like
Speaker 1: they're in distress, and we should pay attention. We can't
Speaker 1: depend on outside characters. The police will do what they
Speaker 1: can do, but we've never had fair and balance justice
Speaker 1: and safety in our communities, and so we have to
Speaker 1: be the ones to do the work. The issue of
Speaker 1: missing black girls has to be on the top of
Speaker 1: our list of priorities of something that we focus on
Speaker 1: every day as a community, because we have to let
Speaker 1: those who are perpetrators of it know. And I'm convinced
Speaker 1: that there are people working for people who are in higher,
Speaker 1: higher places that we may not know, but we have
Speaker 1: to let those characters that are working for those folks
Speaker 1: know that it will not happen in our community. Somebody
Speaker 1: needs to ask what actually a lot. And that's what
Speaker 1: I say, brothers, we gotta definitely police our own communities
Speaker 1: and make sure you pay attention. Man. If you see
Speaker 1: a young girl walking by herself, pay attention. You don't
Speaker 1: know where she's from. You see it walking with somebody,
Speaker 1: she doesn't look like she's comfortable. Ask some questions, man like.
Speaker 1: That's that's our duty as men to protect our community.
Speaker 1: So make sure we do it. Man. So that concludes
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