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Speaker 1: This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth

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Speaker 1: generation warfare. A commentator, international social media sensation and former

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Speaker 1: Navy intelligence veteran, This is Human Events with your host

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Speaker 1: Jack Persobic christ Is King. Well, ladies and gentle and

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Speaker 1: welcome on board to today's especial edition here Human Events Daily.

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Speaker 1: We're going back to the Human Events archives, way back

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Speaker 1: to actually the very first year of Human Events Daily.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to go back into the archives and it

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Speaker 1: was recorded, believe it or not, December twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: and we've got the first ever podcast of Jack Pisobic

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Speaker 1: and Charlie Kirk. And you know a lot of people

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Speaker 1: may have thought that Charlie and I, ah, those guys,

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Speaker 1: they're two Trump supporters, they're two conservatives. What are they

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Speaker 1: ever going to disagree on? It's just going to be

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Speaker 1: a bunch of you know, a bunch of you know,

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Speaker 1: Gloe and Fluffy talk about Maga and Trump. Well, we

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Speaker 1: started out that way a little bit, but then Charlie,

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Speaker 1: for the record, Charlie started this. He made a crack

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Speaker 1: about me being a Catholic, so being a Philly guy,

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Speaker 1: I had to respond in kind, and what ensued was

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Speaker 1: one of the first of many great sparring debates that

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Speaker 1: Charlie and I would have with each other. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to play that for you now. Charlie Kirk, the founder

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Speaker 1: of Turning Point USA, the host of Charlie Kirk Show?

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Speaker 1: How did we get here? And I don't just me,

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Speaker 1: me and you or any of this? I mean, how

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Speaker 1: did the West go from the towering world power right,

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Speaker 1: the driver of actual you know, progress and intellectual thought

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Speaker 1: backward and really decaying kind of situation that we're in.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think we've managed to hang ourselves with

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Speaker 2: the rope of our own creation. I'm a conservative that's

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Speaker 2: unafraid to say that not everything that came out of

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Speaker 2: the Enlightenment was good. That's like a thought crime in

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Speaker 2: some right circles. I really don't care. It's true the

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Speaker 2: Enlightenment was great for some things. Obviously, David French is

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Speaker 2: to be you have to. But first, the most important

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Speaker 2: question is when do you think the Enlightenment began? All Right,

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Speaker 2: that's the most important question, right, yes, And French would

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Speaker 2: say that it began with like Spinosa or Galileo, when

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Speaker 2: it obviously started Machiavelli, right, and Machiavelli and maybe if

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Speaker 2: French would agree with that, I don't. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to put words in his mouth and his own words

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Speaker 1: I should say, so, we should say the frenchist, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I might say it's really because Niccolo Macchiavelli in fifteen

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Speaker 2: one of the most famous lines or sentiments was why

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Speaker 2: direct stab towards Plato a two thousand years before, and

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Speaker 2: he's like, we know what we want. Why don't we

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Speaker 2: political thought. He was the first kind of political theorist.

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Speaker 2: Aristotle was too, but definitely in Europe. And Machiavelli is

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Speaker 1: So I think that a lot of people though when

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Speaker 1: Who to use my thing. Though they wouldn't say that

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Speaker 2: Sorry to steal your friend. Nothing will stand in our way,

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Speaker 2: and our golden age has just begun.

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Speaker 1: everyone to understand what America first truly means. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Second American Revolution, and that's I'm a social needs

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Speaker 1: and it's it's amazing to see that you've got solcial

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Speaker 1: Neats and and Nietzsche. Well they're both looking at the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to find out. The year that

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Speaker 1: My favorite part of Rousseau is when he says, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's the natural world, it's what's going on, what's in

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Speaker 2: the question, how is it that it's right, Well, it's

432
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Speaker 2: because it actually happened, and that this book built everything

433
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Speaker 2: that we know.

434
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Speaker 1: So we took that book, we you know, the West,

435
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Speaker 1: took that book and said we're going to put this

436
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Speaker 1: on the shelf. We're going to let accumulate dust. We're

437
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Speaker 1: gonna let the spider webs crawl all over it. You

438
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Speaker 1: sure you can go to church on Sunday and do whatever,

439
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Speaker 1: prey to your cross or whatever. We're going to be

440
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Speaker 1: over here building a much greater and stronger.

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Speaker 2: And powerful util And again that's why I pinpoint not

442
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Speaker 2: the industrial revolution, but the scientific revolution. The mismanagement of

443
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Speaker 2: the scientific and korey into the natural world is why

444
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Speaker 2: we're in the mess that we're in. And that's where

445
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Speaker 2: you get Hegel, That's where you get John Dewey, That's

446
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Speaker 2: where you get the German historicist. That's where you get

447
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Speaker 2: all the atrocities in the twentieth century, that's where we

448
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Speaker 2: get Fauci, the CDC. Because it seems it all comes

449
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Speaker 2: from the science.

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Speaker 1: You look at the beginnings of the scientific revolution, much

451
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Speaker 1: of this was it's it's Christians. There's priests that are

452
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Speaker 1: involved at Mendel, there's manygram that involved in this, and

453
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Speaker 1: there's also even in Darwin to an extent.

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Speaker 2: Darwin was a different guy, but you're right, there's applied

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Speaker 2: to a lot of different.

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Speaker 1: Right, But there's this there's this idea of we're learning

457
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Speaker 1: more about God's creation, right, and you can kind of

458
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Speaker 1: see that throughout the right.

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Speaker 2: We totally I mean, but they never saw it as

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Speaker 2: a challenge. So there's a number. I'll get the exact number.

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Speaker 1: And so when would you when would you say that

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Speaker 1: that sort of change in thinking took place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good question. So just to reinforce

464
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Speaker 2: the point, every beautiful piece of music had solely a day. Basically,

465
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Speaker 2: I'm getting the Latin word wrong. Glory to God at

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Speaker 2: at the top of every music, right, Whether it be

467
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Speaker 2: Bach or Wolf, Wolfgang, Amadeus, Mozart or Chopan, whoever, it

468
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Speaker 2: was all glory be.

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Speaker 1: The better mention?

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Speaker 2: Huh better mention, jo Fan, of course. And so where

471
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Speaker 2: did it change? That's an interesting question. The French Revolution

472
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Speaker 2: played a huge role, more so than the American Revolution.

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Speaker 2: So the American Revolution gets misread by modern day leftists

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Speaker 2: as this kind of liberal moment that we realized that

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Speaker 2: we must throw the shackles off of everything before us

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Speaker 2: and create a new and the founders never mentioned any

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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the founding was more you don't have the

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Speaker 1: guillotines in Philadelphia and New York.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, but also just look at the texts. Everything

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Speaker 2: about the text was anchoring towards tradition. One of the

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Speaker 2: courts of human events be comes necessarily one people does

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Speaker 2: all the plaical bands that has tied them to another. Right,

484
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Speaker 2: it's right there when, of course, like human events and

485
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Speaker 2: deriving from the equal andjust powers of separate station. Separate

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Speaker 2: stations among them are the laws of nature and Nature's God.

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Speaker 2: Laws of nature and Nature's God.

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Speaker 1: They went to great pains to tie the American Revolution

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Speaker 1: to the past and saying this is not we are

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Speaker 1: not throwing the baby out.

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Speaker 2: They appealed to the supreme ruler of the Earth. That

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Speaker 2: was a direct quote Jefferson put. And this was Jefferson's challenge,

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Speaker 2: which is why I think every school shabbat Jefferson statue,

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Speaker 2: because what he did was so unbelievably remarkable. He was

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Speaker 2: able to mix the immediate with the eternal. He was

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Speaker 2: able to mix the prudent and the practical with the

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Speaker 2: with the everlasting.

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Speaker 1: They still have. If you go to Philadelphia, it's at

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Speaker 1: Fifth and Market. You can actually go to the building

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Speaker 1: where his apartment was. Was that right where he wrote you.

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Speaker 2: Know Philadelphia better than I do. I've been Independence Hall, come.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's you know enough, which is where it was, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's side. But where it's actually written, which I always

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Speaker 1: thought was really cool, and there was not many people

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Speaker 1: know about it either.

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Speaker 2: There was a lust amongst the Thomas Pain types to

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Speaker 2: go even further on the declaration of course, and but

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Speaker 2: Thomas Jefferson was able to balance.

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Speaker 1: I think it's very quickly into radical liberalism. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: total afterwards. Well, Pain was a radical liberal in a

511
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Speaker 1: lot of ways. He was a revolutionary and we should

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Speaker 1: thank him for stirring up the revolutionary fervor. At the

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Speaker 1: same time, you know, you got to have a lot

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Speaker 1: of respect for how the founders kind of cooled that

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Speaker 1: down and struck that balance. And this is the misreading

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Speaker 1: of the Founding, which is that the Founding was nothing

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Speaker 1: more than the beginning of a multi hundred year progressive movement,

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Speaker 1: because that makes sense, and that's a position a lot

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Speaker 1: of conservatives take because when we talk about revolutionary politics

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Speaker 1: or revolutionary thinking, or revolutionary ideologies, we never really talk

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Speaker 1: about the American Revolution in those terms because inherently, I

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Speaker 1: think we know that it's not that it was well something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've heard historians say this. Thomas West, I

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Speaker 2: don't think agrees with this. It's more of a separation

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Speaker 2: than it was a revolution precisely. And I don't want

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Speaker 2: to put words in the great Thomas West's mouth, but

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Speaker 2: that's probably right, I think, because it was more just

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Speaker 2: kind of like, hey, can we go our own way

529
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Speaker 2: type thing. French Revolution wasn't, as let's say, precisely written. No,

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Speaker 2: that was a little different. Yeah, they changed the time

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Speaker 2: in the calendar, purge the non believers. They end up

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Speaker 2: killing their own guy rub Spiere, the prince.

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Speaker 1: The priests were all wiped out. Of course, Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: was converted into a cult, a temple of Reason. The

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Speaker 1: cult of Reason replaces the church. So Christianity actually didn't

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Speaker 1: know that. That's super completely out. So I thought I

537
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Speaker 1: knew a lot about the French Revolution. I don't know

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Speaker 1: completely outlets. So the church's outlawed priests are executed, they're

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Speaker 1: they're put into the guillotine, literally the actual child.

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Speaker 2: I did know that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that they convert Notre Dame into a

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Speaker 1: temple to the Cult of Reason, and they have they

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Speaker 1: have holidays, and so no, I did know that they

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Speaker 1: realized that they need to have some type of worship

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Speaker 1: right because they understand right there, they do understand that

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Speaker 1: there is this they call it, you know, the God

547
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Speaker 1: shaped hole right within the human psyche. And so they.

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Speaker 2: Replaced that with called of Reason, and they yeats, and

549
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Speaker 2: so we as Christians.

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Speaker 1: Storage hols so important too.

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Speaker 2: I grew up experiencing all the different Christian stereotypes, like

552
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Speaker 2: big megachurch pastors screaming at you asking for money or whatever.

553
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Speaker 2: And you know, I think I turned a lot of

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Speaker 2: people off the stereotype of the propaganda campaign obviously not

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Speaker 2: being in essence true.

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Speaker 1: And Jack, where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is it Jack?

557
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Speaker 1: I want to see you. Great job, Jack, Thank you.

558
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Speaker 1: What a job you do.

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Speaker 2: You know, we have an incredible thing.

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Speaker 1: We're always talking about the fake news and the bad,

561
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Speaker 1: but we have guys, and these are the guys should

562
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Speaker 1: be getting policies.

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Speaker 2: But the Bible's the word of God and it's how

564
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Speaker 2: you should live your life. There's not one thing anyone

565
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Speaker 2: listening right now is experiencing. The Bible does not have

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Speaker 2: a roadmap on how to bless you, not one thing.

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Speaker 1: And what's amazing too, is every single time that humans

568
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Speaker 1: have tried to create their own Bible, it has failed.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean so this is where Nietzsche tried,

570
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Speaker 2: and it drove him mad.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is why it drove him.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because he said, I have to go create my

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Speaker 2: own values. Good luck, here's a pen and paper. What

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Speaker 2: do you got, mister Nietzsche? And it drove him insane,

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Speaker 2: and Stalin also.

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Speaker 1: Thought that he would never be able to figure out

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Speaker 1: a way to get a mass acceptance of those values

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Speaker 1: throughout or what you have is.

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Speaker 2: Just a copy paste of what the Bible says, and

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Speaker 2: then relabel it under some weird pagan atheist degrees and things.

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Speaker 2: But here's the problem. This is a problem is that

582
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Speaker 2: people won't accept it if they don't think it's divinely inspired.

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Speaker 2: It's a very important thing. And so you know, I

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Speaker 2: I tell people all the time, they say, Charlie, why

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Speaker 2: do you honor the Sabbath? I said, because God tells

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Speaker 2: me to. And they say, what do you mean, because

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Speaker 2: it's commanded of me? I said, that's it. I said,

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Speaker 2: if you believe God told you to do something, which

589
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Speaker 2: you do it right? And they say, well, well, it

590
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Speaker 2: doesn't make logical sense. Like, first of all, it actually does.

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Speaker 2: All the signs shows that take in one day of

592
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Speaker 2: rest is actually really good for you.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever gone and seen any of the illuminated

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Speaker 1: manuscripts in Europe that they still have some of the

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Speaker 1: preserved Bibles from the medieval time. I've seen them.

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Speaker 2: So I went to you're probably not a Geneva Bible fan,

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Speaker 2: the uh.

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Speaker 1: But no, what I did go see the Book of

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Speaker 1: Kels at the at Trinity Universe or Trinity College in Dublin,

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Speaker 1: and you so these these were the Bibles that were

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Speaker 1: written during the Middle Ages, when you know, the only

602
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Speaker 1: literacy was in the priests class. And so these Peo

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Speaker 1: when they're writing this, it's it's this beautiful every and yes,

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Speaker 1: each you know, the title page of each uh, each

605
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Speaker 1: book as it begins, is each one of itself a masterpiece.

606
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Speaker 1: But even the flowing calligraphy that you see, these people

607
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Speaker 1: actually truly believed that what they were writing was each

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Speaker 1: stroke of depends was perfect because it was the word

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Speaker 1: of God, period.

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Speaker 2: And so this, this was this is the struggle ahead

611
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Speaker 2: of us right now, right, which is that so many

612
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Speaker 2: people have believed that God doesn't exist or it's some

613
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Speaker 2: sort of weird Eastern meditative God, which I guess is

614
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Speaker 2: better than believing not no God. But there's a huge

615
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Speaker 2: difference between the God of the East.

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Speaker 1: And the God of the West, massive difference. Massive.

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Speaker 2: They believe that God is in the nature. We believe

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Speaker 2: God created nature. Right, there's a lot of difference.

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Speaker 1: There's also a lot of like when I lived in China,

620
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Speaker 1: you know, you you would talk about you.

621
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Speaker 2: Know, and even even after aistic society.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, yes and no, because even after some very

623
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Speaker 1: of yeah, so like even after all the years of communism,

624
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Speaker 1: there's still this this, and it's a total.

625
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Speaker 2: Hodgepod of from the analog of like and like from all.

626
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Speaker 1: Traditional yeah, the eaching, et cetera. But it's very trend actional.

627
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Speaker 1: That's that's basically what it comes.

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Speaker 2: And this is one of the reasons why this is

629
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Speaker 2: why gambling is a bigger deal in Asian culture. It is.

630
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Speaker 2: It's that you are going to play your odds up.

631
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Speaker 1: Against Karma's numerology in Asia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that all kind of plays into fate and

633
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Speaker 2: karma and all these other dynamics. Where the God of

634
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Speaker 2: the West is an empowering god, the God of the

635
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Speaker 2: West is a personal god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not like you can't and a triune one.

637
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Speaker 1: You can't play your odds with God.

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Speaker 2: With the well no, no, Instead, it's it's God that says,

639
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Speaker 2: because it's like no slave, nor Greek nor Jew, we

640
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Speaker 2: are all one in Jesus Christ right where it says

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Speaker 2: in Philippians for for six where it says, do not

642
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Speaker 2: be anxious, right, but instead, through Christ Jesus and prayer,

643
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Speaker 2: thanksgiving and supplication, make your quest known to God and

644
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Speaker 2: the Spirit of the Lord, which transcends all understanding. By

645
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Speaker 2: the way right will comfort you and guide you, and

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Speaker 2: then it goes on to say, whatever is true, whatever is.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing that one thing that I've realized even as

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Speaker 1: I've gotten older, I've got kids now, skin in the game.

649
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Speaker 1: You know. It's like you, I'm married, and when you

650
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: have something to lose, it's I'm so thankful that God

651
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Speaker 1: gave us prayer. I'm so thankful that we have that

652
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Speaker 1: that as a gift, where it's just this outlet where

653
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Speaker 1: you can go to and say, I am at my limit,

654
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Speaker 1: I am at my extent. I realize I'm at my extent,

655
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Speaker 1: I have nowhere else to go, and then boom, there

656
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Speaker 1: it is. Yeah.

657
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Speaker 2: So one of the I think it's in Colossians Corinthians.

658
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: There's this verse that is commonly quoted where people say, well, Charlie,

659
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Speaker 2: God will never give you more than you can handle it,

660
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Speaker 2: So what kind of weird theology do you believe?

661
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: Right?

662
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: God will give you more than you can handle every day,

663
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Speaker 2: but not more than he can handle exactly, huge difference,

664
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Speaker 2: because the difference is are you going to then give

665
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Speaker 2: up your hands and say, God, I need you to

666
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Speaker 2: take care of this. I am not enough, I can't

667
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: get this done and just from the pure scientific clinical data,

668
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: it shows you're actually a happier person, a more productive person,

669
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Speaker 2: a more thankful person if you actually even go through

670
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Speaker 2: the process of prayer, not alone, not to mention that

671
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: prayer is actually an immediate and personal conversation with the

672
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Speaker 2: living God. And so you asked the question how did

673
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: the West get here? Right?

674
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: And we keep trying to recreate it by the way

675
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: we say, oh, well, we'll do some type of meditative

676
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: act or which again is better than you know, when

677
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Speaker 1: you when this is all doing yoga right, of course, always.

678
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Speaker 2: Has a better than doing like New Zealand orgies or whatever.

679
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Speaker 1: Right twenty six, But it feels so bad for guy

680
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Speaker 1: twenty six.

681
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Speaker 2: But yeah, but then but then at what, at what

682
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: point does the meditative yoga circuit all of a sudden

683
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Speaker 2: say this is how God wants you to live? And

684
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Speaker 2: then they're never going to say that, right, It's that

685
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: it's all about centering yourself. Well, then what's your morality?

686
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: How a would you organize society?

687
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Speaker 1: A lot of it is a lot of it is

688
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Speaker 1: base on this idea that if you just become more

689
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: one with yourself, then your it's in incredibly narcissistic. You

690
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: essentially like God becomes through and from you.

691
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Speaker 2: So here's here's another difference between Buddhism and Christianity. Right, So,

692
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Speaker 2: Buddhism believes at the highest level of Buddhism, you don't talk.

693
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Speaker 1: I've been to Tibet, I've been to the monasteries and

694
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Speaker 1: they have these incredible debates where they're looking at each

695
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: other and they will clap with their hands at each other,

696
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: and yet they're not actually speaking.

697
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: In Christianity, the two creation stories, God created heavens of

698
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: the earth, and the beginning was the word. The word

699
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: was God, the word was with God. Right is logos,

700
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: which is the word for speech. Right, God's spoken to existence.

701
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 2: We are the speaking beings at the highest levels of

702
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: existence and earthly existence. We are beings that are reasoning,

703
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 2: speaking and communicating in the highest level of existence. In Buddhism,

704
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Speaker 2: you shut up. It's a big difference.

705
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Speaker 1: You you turn yourself over to what exactly you know?

706
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and so, but also you're not obviously you're

707
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: not winning people over, you're not communicating, you're not reasoning.

708
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: It's very sheltered, it's very it's like retreating. I think

709
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 2: there's a place for that. I think resting is obviously important,

710
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: but the highest level of Buddhist philosophy is that you

711
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: then assent to the highest level of nirvana right right

712
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 2: through that where we believe the total opposite.

713
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Speaker 1: And that's how you're breaking the cycle.

714
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: And we believe Jesus came to us. We believe nirvana.

715
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: Whatever heaven, which we believe is a real place, has

716
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: a NonStop ticket where Jesus said, here you go. I

717
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: paid the whole price for you. You don't have to

718
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: go sit down and shut up and go to some

719
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Speaker 2: hill and clap at each other and wear an orange robe.

720
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Speaker 1: No offense.

721
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Speaker 2: Anyone that might do that that listened to our show,

722
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Speaker 2: you might be a nice person.

723
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Speaker 1: Whatever.

724
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Speaker 2: The point is that it's totally different. Here's a ticket,

725
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: free admission, go free. As it says in John eight

726
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: thirty eight, the truth will set you free. That through

727
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, we are free.

728
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Speaker 1: And so when you have that type of religion at

729
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Speaker 1: the center, take it back a little bit at the

730
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Speaker 1: center of your society. Right when you have that type

731
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: of empowering ideology at the center of your society, because

732
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Speaker 1: of course, you know, you go to Asia, they've all

733
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Speaker 1: basically done away with Buddhism. I mean that it's not.

734
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Speaker 2: But there's a lot of different variations of forms of that.

735
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: Although I mean you could go to you know, there's

736
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Speaker 1: Tibetan Busism, there's Chinese Buddhism, there's the Buddhism of Southwest Asia,

737
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: you know, et cetera, et cetera. And I've been in

738
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: these places, I've spent time with them, I've met these people.

739
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: I've fascinated in many ways by you know, we went

740
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Speaker 1: to the Jai Buddha Temple, actually lived near the jay

741
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: Budda Temple. But it just seems to be missing something

742
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: right it And what it really is missing. What I've

743
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: always found is that direct personal connection that you have

744
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: with your creators. Yes that's right, not creation, right, we

745
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: are of create, that's a big difference, but that I

746
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: am directly connected to my creator, that is the King

747
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: of the universe.

748
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: We let let's let's start with what how Genesis one starts.

749
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: God created the heavens and the earth. The heavens in

750
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: the earth are not God. No, God created the heavens

751
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: in the earth. He is above the heavens and the earth. Precisely,

752
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: it's a big difference. Supreme Yes he is. He is

753
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: totally above.

754
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Speaker 1: So if you are any other being, It's like we

755
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: had this at our parish. They just started this new

756
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: and I don't know if we're gonna be going there

757
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: anywhere if they're still keep doing this, but they said, oh,

758
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a racial justice committee and this is

759
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: going to be the a and you go and you

760
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: can you can take and I and I just turned

761
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: to Tanya and we're sitting there. I'm like, look around

762
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: the room right now, this is racial justice, right, if

763
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: that's something you're concerned with. You've got every single ethnicity

764
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: under this roof, under God right, worshiping Christ together. What

765
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: do we need a committee for? Right? This is the

766
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: supreme being. We are the lessers. It's simple, right. And

767
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: to me, quite frankly, if you're someone who's so concerned

768
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: with the differences of people, you know, I really question

769
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: whether or not you're putting Christ at the well end.

770
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's replacement religion, absolutely right. That means that there's

771
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: something wrong.

772
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: This is a competing of course, absolutely a competing theology. Yeah.

773
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: And we see this with the cult of Greta Thunberg,

774
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: and we see this with Fauci. These are all replacement religions.

775
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,959
Speaker 1: And the Church deal with this, yes, in three hundred

776
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: eight psisely was the exact same thing.

777
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Justinian and every major you know, Roman, a Constantine

778
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 2: dealt with the same thing in like three twenty or whatever,

779
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 2: same sort of thing. So, yeah, you asked the question,

780
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: how did the West get here? We mismanaged the scientific revolution.

781
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: They were beautiful fruits of the scientific revolution. Admitting the

782
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: heliocentric theory of gravitational pull was a good thing for humanity.

783
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: Catholic Church minorly mismanaged that.

784
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: But that's a separate issue for a different time, right,

785
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: also debatable how it was managed. Jack is a great guy.

786
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: He's written that fantastic book and everybody's talking about it.

787
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: Go get it. And he's spent my friend right from

788
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: the beginning of this whole beautiful event, and we're going

789
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: to turn her around to make our country way to

790
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: get him.

791
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: I said, slightly mismanaged. I think that the characterization is

792
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: actually unfair. He wasn't executed. He went to like a

793
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 2: villa with his students. But yeah, it's still exactly the

794
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 2: Catholic trip was wrong, and they tried to cover it up.

795
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: That's irrefutable. Man is always Yeah, but that the way

796
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 2: that they defended it was wrong, and you don't have

797
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: you don't have to defend them on this. It's okay.

798
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: My point is that every every man made institution or

799
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 1: every man run institution is going to have issues. That's fine.

800
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: I think it's it's sometimes used unfairly, but I'd still

801
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: yield with the place that was a mistake. The point

802
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: is that then in the sixteen hundreds, early seventeen hundreds,

803
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 2: we started to see man's all of a sudden domination

804
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: over nature. Right, So the scientific revolution changed the game.

805
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: Right, you get to the point where you know, we've gone.

806
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 2: They're no longer victims of nature.

807
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: You know, we're where we're agrarians. And then we you know,

808
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: we start being able to do some trade, and hey,

809
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 1: maybe I found some shiny rocks over here, so I'll

810
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: trade youse some of those. But now suddenly it's you know,

811
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: now you're cooking with gas.

812
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so then you started to see there's no

813
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: there's no mystery. Then why you started to see philosophers

814
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: pause it, Well, if we can dominate nature, why do

815
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: we need this Christianity thing, right, It all came at

816
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: the same time, obviously, and then then it kind of

817
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 2: hit this apex point where the industrial Revolution was happening.

818
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: But again, the industrial revolution only happened because of the

819
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: scientific revolution, that it does not happen one without the other.

820
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: And then yeah, you get people like Marx who says

821
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: religions the opie to the masses, and you get Hagel

822
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: who argues about a new way to view history, and

823
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: you get this completely different paradigm. But throughout the entire

824
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: thing it's kind of been obvious. I mean, it's easy

825
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: to play like, oh they could have, should have would

826
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: a But definitely, in the last fifty years, I think

827
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: conservatives have always been on the right side of the

828
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: left's progress for the West, meaning like our idea of

829
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: right is like we're going to take the most right

830
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: position of the left wing. But yeah, exactly, it's like okay, whatever,

831
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, maybe we don't do drag Queen story hour.

832
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 2: Who is to say that we're not going to do

833
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: children can't do you know, we're sexual reassignments.

834
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Speaker 1: Well, of course we should have universal health care, but

835
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: we have to manage it or market way market universal health,

836
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: or it's like, you know, it's one thing to say

837
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have like no new immigrants, let's just have

838
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: the right ones or whatever. Right.

839
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Speaker 2: And some of these are reasonable things, some of them

840
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: are not. When you look at decay, we should have

841
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: been pushing in the opposite direction, right, And I think

842
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,959
Speaker 2: there's this whole new renaissance around these ideas because people

843
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: like you and me, similar to nietzschek. I never thought

844
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: I'd say that are seeing the absolute unraveling of everything

845
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: around us, because we really don't care what you call

846
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: us anymore.

847
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: We've gotten to a point now where we realize that,

848
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, are we living through I mean, we're clearly

849
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: living through a collapse cycle, right, you know, and even

850
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: even Joe Rogan is talking to Caulay Hugos and bringing up,

851
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of these different theories of fourth turning,

852
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: et cetera, about what exactly kind of cycle we're in

853
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: and we're in that. So the question then becomes when

854
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: you look at other collapses, when you look at other

855
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,479
Speaker 1: societies that have gone through this, other civilizations, which ones

856
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: managed it properly, which ones decided to actually take you know,

857
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: can you fight history? I think is a question.

858
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the Romans are always a good example,

859
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: and the Romans splintered and had the Eastern Roman Empire

860
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: for a pretty long time and that fell apart eventually.

861
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 2: But that was a pretty big success.

862
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: I mean, the Eastern Roman Empire Byzantium, right, it was

863
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: the flagship for Christ over a thousand years.

864
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's hard to say the Ottoman Empire was Byzantium,

865
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: but that's probably true to an extent, meaning that as

866
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: soon as that absolved, you know, with the fall of

867
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: Constantinople and whatever year that was, Well, the Turks finally

868
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 2: won fourteen thirty three, Yeah, the fall of Hagia Sophia,

869
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: And it's a really interesting battle. It's a long siege.

870
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: They tried many times, they finally succeeded. But yeah, so

871
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: the qu I think we've forgotten about that, Yeah, exactly. Well,

872
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 2: Rome didn't send reinforcements in time. That's a different conversation

873
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: for a different time, but it's it's actually true. Rome's

874
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: kind of bailed out constantin Open.

875
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: Well, this is a huge issue between the Catholics and

876
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: the Orthodox right now today is Constantinople.

877
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Rome could have fixed the whole problem,

878
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: the whole issue, right, one flotilla of boats becasily, Yeah,

879
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: and they were counting on it.

880
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: It never happened.

881
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: So or they like stayed at bay or something. There

882
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: was some weird political thing there.

883
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. It ends up being a lot more.

884
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: And this is something Italian and I talked. So. My

885
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: wife is Orthodox and I've said that many times. But

886
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: you know, one thing we talk about it is that

887
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: it it did end up being much more of a

888
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: political separation than anything else.

889
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: Right, And it wasn't a good thing that the church

890
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: took over concept noble still isn'to this day. Obviously Sophia

891
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: is still a church, by the way, just for the

892
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: regardless of what they say, No matter what they say,

893
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: it is, I don't care. What was interesting how they

894
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: always want to change churches to mosque. It's really weird.

895
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: We don't try to turn most the church.

896
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: No, we don't. Well, it's like I was up in

897
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: I was in Toronto, and of course it was in

898
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: Toronto and we saw this this Episcopalian church because of

899
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: course it was a piscaplion and it was it was

900
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: with the refugees welcome and they have the crescent moon,

901
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: and where they were with Tanya and she goes. You know,

902
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: if you tried to do that to a mosque and

903
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: said Christians welcome and put across in front of imagine

904
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: you go to Middle East and put that off. What happen?

905
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: Your handcutff immediately.

906
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: But that's tolerance and then on your own death.

907
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: But then I was saying, so I was saying, we

908
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: should go and we should get like, you know, like

909
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: a paintbrush or something. And then you know, underneath the

910
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: crescent moon, right, refugees welcome to learn the gospel. That's right,

911
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: everyone's because it's a church, right. That's the point of

912
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: churches is to teach the gospel and further the teachings.

913
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: So you ask where this goes.

914
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: We don't know.

915
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: The unraveling of empires can be messy. We are an empire.

916
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: It's just the way it is.

917
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean.

918
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: There's two separate questions there, obviously, But I'm really not

919
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: in the prediction business.

920
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 2: The way with that stuff, it just it's exhausted.

921
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: The way that I look at it is the way

922
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: to manage it is, you know, okay, are we not?

923
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: Are we going to be an empire going forward or

924
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: are we not? And if we're not, what do we

925
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: do to reconstitute ourselves in a way as most beneficial

926
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: for the people who live here?

927
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: Now, the problem with the American Empire is that we

928
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: never admitted we were one, right, And that was the

929
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 2: weirdest thing. It's like, oh, yeah, we're not an empire. Meanwhile,

930
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 2: we're in a basis in every corner.

931
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: There's some interesting theories out there about, you know, whether

932
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: or not the British Empire just kind of continued through

933
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: the you know, through the anglosphere, and we still kind

934
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: of defer to England on a lot of like of

935
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: this foreign policy like yeah, I don't know stuff, and

936
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting take that's probably too deep. It's interesting,

937
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, the the thing that's the Eastern

938
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: European is when where you live, Yes, and that's the

939
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: most important. I mean, So we're trying to do that

940
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: here in Arizona, yes, right, is that just focus local

941
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: and the rest might work, might not, because that actually

942
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: is something that can even even smaller than that, even

943
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: go back to hey, we're going to have ordered families again,

944
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: we should push policies that We're not going to make

945
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: decisions for people, but we can say as a society, hey,

946
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: society works better when we have these things called families.

947
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: We're unafraid to make ras about the good of existence.

948
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: This is good morally, and it's also good social and better. Right.

949
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: And if the GDP has to go down just a

950
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: little bit.

951
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 2: Here's the crazy thing. It won't like that's it might

952
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: go down like half a percent. Great, Okay, So we

953
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: have families and people are happy. So yeah, I mean, I.

954
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: Mean, you look at this town that just got hit

955
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: with this h Was it Mayfield? I believe it was

956
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: Klentucky in Kentucky, And I mean it's like a Mayberry

957
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: kind of town, right, But I was talking to somebody

958
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: who who lived near there and he said, you know,

959
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: but it's just like one of these other towns where

960
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: it was. We had this amazing community at one point,

961
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: and then over the last forty fifty years it's just

962
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: been gutted and the people there were already living in poverty,

963
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: just absolute poverty. Yeah.

964
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: Well, I know we have to wrap Mfest dot com. Everybody.

965
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: If you want to go to America Fest, Jack, this

966
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 2: is your show.

967
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: So you got to end I do have to end it,

968
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: don't I. Charlie, where can people follow you into?

969
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're listening. Make sure you subscribe to the Charlie

970
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: kirksh podcast.

971
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, check out Charlie. He's got like some little rinky

972
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: dank podcast.

973
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

974
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: There the people They tell me people kind of follow it.

975
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, Charlie, what's the biggest thing you're

976
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: looking forward to for next the next year, and the

977
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: next time.

978
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 2: I will say this very shortly. I'm looking forward to

979
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: more people getting based.

980
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: Love it, folks. Charlie Kirk, Jack Sobick, you know.

981
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Speaker 2: Thank you.