1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Becher Happy Hour. Amato and 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: I'm Serena, and we are here today again. We had 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: them on for a very short amount of time and 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: that just wasn't enough. Everyone. Please welcome Jonathan. 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 2: Hey, welcome, Thanks for having me again. 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 3: Guys, thanks for coming back. 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: How you feeling. 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: Good? Good you you. 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: We will start the I guess we're gonna go in order. 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: But one thing we do know is that you are 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: cast it officially cast it on Bechler in Paradise next summer. 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: And before the podcast started, you started saying something, but 13 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: we were like, wait for the podcast, So what were 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: you saying? 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: Oh? I was saying. So I've never seen anything Bachelor 16 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: related up until I was on it. You know, when 17 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: I got casted for That's Htte, I had some homework 18 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 2: to go back and watch Bachelor so I could get 19 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: to know some of the girls and whoever might be 20 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: the Betchorette. Now going into Paradise, I was like, you 21 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: know what, I do some homework look into it and 22 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: who only has season four and five? So I was like, 23 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: all right, let's go with the most recent one. And 24 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: it just so happens to be your first season and 25 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: I literally just finished the episode where you and Leo 26 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: get into it. 27 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and he caught grocery. 28 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: Store bitch and I lost it. I was like, dude, 29 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: Joe and I are very similar, Like we don't have 30 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: to like go in and talk our ship, but if 31 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: somebody started being disrespectful, we're gonna be honest. That was 32 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: locked up in major point and I was like, that's 33 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: that's the guy right there. 34 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that season. So like that, I mean 35 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: I went into Paradise really being green, like because I 36 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: wasn't on you know, I went home night one, so 37 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: I didn't have like any reality TV experience. 38 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 3: He went have n one on the bouchelor at so 39 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: got it. 40 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 4: So the season of Paradise that you're watching is basically 41 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 4: his first experience on. 42 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: Reality in reality TV. So that was that was Yeah, 43 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: that was rough, but no need to rehash all that. 44 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: I feel like that's not what I thought you were 45 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: going to get into. I'm glad that we're avoiding it. 46 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: So you you live in San Diego, correct, I live 47 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: in La So I'm and what do you, oh Marina 48 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: do alright? Nice? Very cool over there? What do you 49 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: what do you do for a living. 50 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: I create social ads for companies, so I pitched them 51 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: on bundles as far as like multiple different ads from 52 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: being pushed towards like Instagram, TikTok, whatever it might be. 53 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: Write scripts, film them, edit them, send them back, work 54 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: with different talent. 55 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: Are you do you work in Are you in an 56 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: office now? Or do do you work at home? 57 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: Home? Fully? And then my business partner is actually my 58 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: best friend from seventh grade slash roommate, which is actually 59 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: really nice. 60 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: Oh nice, So how did you how did you wind 61 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: up on the Bachelorette? 62 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? So I have had gotten a DM from must 63 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 2: have been a casting producer and he was like, hey, 64 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: do you want to talk about a show? And I 65 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 2: was like not really no, He's like, dude, it'll be 66 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: five minutes. Like I was like, okay, five minutes. I 67 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: can I can swing five minutes, Like, let's let's talk 68 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 2: about it. And then we have one call. It goes 69 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: really well, wants to talk a few more times and 70 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: then said that he liked me. But then you just 71 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: you know how it goes. You don't really hear from 72 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 2: them for months, and then by the time that they 73 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 2: like kind of circle back around and You're like I'm 74 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: over it, like whatever. So they tried calling me multiple times, 75 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: and then I was on a trip up to Mammoth 76 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: and this is after they tried calling like multiple times, 77 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: and I had like two of my best guy friends 78 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: and two of my best girlfriends in the car, and 79 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: they're like, dude, you got to pick up this time. 80 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: Just like hear them out, see what they have to say, 81 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: pick it up. And they're like, we've been trying to 82 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: get a hold of you. We've loved you so far. 83 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: We'd love to get you to talk to the producers. 84 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: And then they get me on that following Monday. So 85 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: that was a Friday, that following Monday. They got me 86 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: set up and then I'm on a call with all 87 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: the EPs and then they're pretty much like, all right, 88 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: gear up, we like you, but you got to go 89 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: through the whole process of everything and yeah. And then 90 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: randomly one day they just reach out like great. 91 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: Wow, no but yeah and then and then you're there 92 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: in a full cast or your bodies, your what are 93 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: the mummy? Or yeah what now? I heard that you 94 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: had an idea before that one. What did you want 95 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: to do? What was your what was your initial limo entrance. 96 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: How did they know about this? 97 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: I know all all right, I have my sources. 98 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: So initially I wanted to get dropped off into an 99 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: ambulance still wearing the hospital gown. And then I wanted 100 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: to get out with like an ivy drip, so like 101 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: the walking ivy bags, and I was gonna put a 102 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: bag of wine on there. Was gonna make her slap 103 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: the bag of wine and then take a poll with me, 104 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: and then that would be the introduction into the night. 105 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 3: But that is sick. I can't believe they didn't let 106 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 3: you do that. 107 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 4: Oh my god, have you done like have you ever 108 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 4: chugged in a wine bag? 109 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 3: It's not really giving something you've ever. 110 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: Done chugged out like slap the bag. No, No, I 111 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: have not. 112 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 4: I'm I'm right there with you, Jonathan. I don't know 113 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 4: if that's a good thing or not. 114 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: The crazy way to start a night off, But it's fun. 115 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: That's so fun. Okay. 116 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 4: So they toned it back a little bit, face bandages, gurney, 117 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 4: a little less jarring, no needles involved. Was your butt 118 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 4: being out originally part of the plan? I honestly don't remember, Like, 119 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 4: were you, Like, I really want to show up a 120 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 4: little bit naked. How did the gown come into play 121 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 4: and were you comfort with the idea of your cheeks 122 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 4: being out? 123 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I mean it was more like either go 124 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 2: half in or full in. And I'm like, I'm already 125 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: going in a hospital gown wrapped in gauze, and everybody 126 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: else is wearing a suit. I might as well go 127 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 2: all out, so show up, cheeks out and hope for 128 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 2: the best. It was, Honestly, it was like fifty degrees 129 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 2: that night. It was too Yeah, you're the row ceremony, 130 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 2: You're nervous as hell, but you're also like like frozen. 131 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: So you said they're shaking, and everybody around you just like, dude, relaxed. 132 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: It's not that bad. Like maybe not for you, but 133 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 2: I've been naked all night. 134 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: Were you worried at all by by covering up your face? 135 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: Jen would just kind of pain you know, no mind, 136 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: I guess. 137 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: No. I think the the problem is that I think 138 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: I had the opposite reaction for what I was going for. 139 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: It was more or less like everybody built up hYP 140 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: hype around like me being like this like immaculately beautiful 141 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: person underneath, and I'm like, guys, whoa not the point. Yeah, 142 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: and you guys are severely disappointed when I think this 143 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: all like, I'm not bad looking, but I'm not some 144 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: adonis that you guys are going to freak out about. 145 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: So I think there was a lot of like. 146 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: He's so beautiful, we can't look away. 147 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, literally, But for Jen No, I think she saw 148 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: it and she was just like curious, what's under there? 149 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: So when it came to her, I think plan went 150 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: exactly as it was supposed to. But the guys for 151 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: hours on it that night, like just like a peak, 152 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: like what do you look like under there? 153 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? 154 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 4: I feel like the curiosity also adds to it. Even 155 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 4: with Jen, she's passing you in the hall, so she's 156 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 4: talking to guys probably be like, what does this guy 157 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 4: look like? 158 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think the group photo is the funniest part, though. 159 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: You've seen where we're always standing on the stairs and 160 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: the gen's in the middle and everybody's just dressed up 161 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: to the nines, and I'm just. 162 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 4: I know, I always feel bad for the people that 163 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 4: come in in costume because you don't change the whole night, 164 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 4: and it's the longest night of the season and you're 165 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 4: stuck wearing that. 166 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 167 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, but honestly, I almost feel like, yeah, if it 168 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: wasn't as cold that it's probably more comfortable than a 169 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: suit except for the face gauze or oh yeah that. 170 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: Was started getting a headache. 171 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, I feel like when we were at the 172 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 4: mental they showed your entrance again and it kind of 173 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 4: just jogged our memory of like the cheeky line and 174 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 4: how you delivered it and everything, and now even just 175 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 4: hearing what your original crazy idea was for your entrance, 176 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 4: I feel like we didn't get to see that side 177 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 4: of you really for the rest of the season. We 178 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 4: saw playful moments between you and Jem, but I feel 179 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 4: like a lot of the moments that we saw of 180 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 4: you were a lot more serious. 181 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 182 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 3: Do you feel like your personality shine through? 183 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: Yes and no. You know, I I try to treat everybody. 184 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: It's respectful and as nice as possible, and like, that's 185 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 2: one facet of my personality for sure. People please are 186 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 2: through and through. But on the flip side of that, 187 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: you know, there's the goofy, weird, outgoing like doesn't really 188 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: care what people think side where it's like I'm just 189 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: gonna go out there and have fun. And do what 190 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: I do, and maybe that wasn't touched on as much, 191 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: and I think that's probably part of the reason I 192 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: was there as long as I was. You know, Jen 193 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: is very much like that. But yeah, I mean it's 194 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: definitely something that I think people should know a little 195 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: bit more about. But I think I do a good 196 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 2: job on my social media kind of showing people that 197 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: side as well. You know, you have this representation of 198 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: like who I am, but that's one side. You know, 199 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: there's multiple other and one That's what Paradise will be 200 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: great for is kind of getting to show people like 201 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: that well rounded person that I can be. Yeah, I 202 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: mean I'm not. I still think I was represented really well. 203 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, I think I think I think 204 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: at the beginning we see a lot of like fun 205 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: clips with you and Jen, I think it I think 206 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: when things started just getting more serious, because they had 207 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: to get more serious, we started hearing more of your 208 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 1: story and just kind of I think like your whole 209 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 1: thing was in relationships. It was kind of like I 210 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: kind of get my own way. Yeah, and do you 211 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: do you believe that? 212 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: Is that a thing big time? And I think over 213 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: the last few years, you know, I think a lot 214 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: of people are guilty of it, and you kind of 215 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: hold these fears from your past over the present, and 216 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: it's like that person doesn't deserve that, but it's inevitable. 217 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: You can't really help yourself. And at the end, like 218 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: right when I went home, you know, I was just 219 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 2: those tears and those feelings were real because I'm like, 220 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: you know, I'm over it, Like I'm tired of not 221 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: letting people all the way in or missing out an 222 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: opportunity that's so great wasbody just because I'm afraid of 223 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: what happened in the past when that person has no 224 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: correlation to that person that did you wrong or anything 225 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: along those lines. So yeah, it was just it was 226 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: a breaking point for me that was very real. And 227 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: I think it's one of those things that people don't 228 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: tell you on the show that while it is fast, 229 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 2: it also makes you process things really fast as well. Like, yes, 230 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: it's it feels rushed, but when you are in it, 231 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: it's it's not. 232 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: I mean, you guys, yeah, you. 233 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 2: Guys, You guys want to do it. You guys ended 234 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: up together after a month, truly. 235 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: Do you think you were doing that though with Jen 236 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: or do you think you were somewhat breaking that habit 237 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: during this season. 238 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: I honestly, the first three weeks were a lot of 239 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: like self growth, Yeah, And I was like, I'm gonna 240 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: be the most fun I can be here, so that 241 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: she just wants to be around that fun, free energy. 242 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: You know. I think everybody's coming in trying to like 243 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: trauma dump on you and tell you all their problems 244 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: and tell you this and that, and like try to 245 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: find this profound love with you, like off the rip, 246 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm not doing that. I'm not 247 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: doing that to her. I don't operate like that in 248 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 2: the real world. I'm not going to do it here. 249 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: So when I got there, I was just like, I'm 250 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: going to be the best me I can be, but 251 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: also figure some things out so by the time we 252 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: need to start getting deeper and things get further on 253 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: or like good to go and I can share those 254 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: things with you. 255 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: So Jen ends up you you make it to hometowns, 256 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: Were you ready at that point for Jen to meet 257 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: your family? Like would you think you were fully ready 258 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: or do you think it's just if you're there you 259 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: like her, you know, let's go with that. 260 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: That's always a tough one for me because there's I 261 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: think there's like layers to introducing people in my family, 262 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: Like my mom is like the most fun person on 263 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: planet Earth. Like I would bring a stranger to me 264 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: and my mom just to be like, hey, like have 265 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 2: fun and you probably take us like paddleboarding, surfing, snowboarding, 266 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 2: like whatever. I think in that moment, you know, it's 267 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: it's one of those again, it's a it's a fast experience. 268 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: So you're bring somebody home to meet your mom and 269 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: you're like, hey, we have a really strong bond. Bringing 270 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,599 Speaker 2: them home was or bringing them bringing gen home was 271 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: nerve wracking for sure, but it was exciting seeing like 272 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: this world that you've been living in kind of meet 273 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: your actual reality and the both just mesh together super well. 274 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: It's it's like one of those reassuring things that you 275 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: kind of need to see just because it's hard to 276 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: break out of that like, hey, I'm on a shell 277 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: mindset to this is my reality mindset, So nervous, a 278 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: little bit more excited than anything. 279 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: Now, where is your head at when you leave your 280 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: family's house as far as getting down on one knee 281 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: and engage you think you're there? 282 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 2: No? Absolutely not, no, okay, no, not at that point. 283 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: At that point, you know, I got a lot of 284 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 2: clarity that I was looking for, and which was hearing 285 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 2: that I'm on the right path with the right girl, 286 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: and my family, who knows me pretty well, can see 287 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: that there's a future with this girl. You know, I'm 288 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 2: not just in this like headspace and this social experiment 289 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: that you kind of like think about. You're like, oh, okay, 290 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: these people actually see you with the girl you're with, 291 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: And from that point on, I was like, all right, 292 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 2: I'm not crazy for having the feelings that I do. 293 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: It's time to actually jump in. 294 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 4: Well, your brother and your sister in law seems like 295 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 4: met and moved very very quickly, So it must have 296 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 4: kind of helped when you're coming in knowing this girl 297 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 4: for a few weeks saying you might get engaged. Yeah, right, 298 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 4: Like they kind of like broke that barrier with your 299 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: family a little bit. 300 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I agree one hundred percent. And I don't 301 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: talk to them as much as I would like to. 302 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: But seeing them and kind of hearing their story and 303 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: filling me in on it in that moment was also 304 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 2: exactly what I needed to hear, you know, I think, 305 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: especially for the show wise too. Like obviously the opening 306 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: scene was them saying, we met on Tinder after three weeks, 307 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 2: we said I love you, and it's just a direct 308 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: correlation to how possible it actually is. So that was 309 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: a really special moment too. 310 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 4: Did you know all that before hearing them talk about 311 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,479 Speaker 4: like the timeline of their relationship? 312 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I thought my sister in law was nuts 313 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: when I first met her. Really, she came back after 314 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: like three dates and she her and my brother were 315 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: drunk and she just comes back. She's like, Johnny, need 316 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: to talk to you. For a second. I was like, okay, yeah, 317 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: what's going on? And she's just like, I love your 318 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: brother and I'm going to prove that to you day 319 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: in and day out for as long as it takes. 320 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: And I'm like, you're crazy. Just went to the movies. 321 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: I thought, like, the hell is going on? Like why 322 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: did you telling me this? I don't like to prove 323 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: to me your love after three dates? I already think 324 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: you're nuts for saying it. But like you know, once 325 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: you get into that mindset and you meet somebody like that, 326 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, maybe they're not as crazy as 327 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: I thought. 328 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you okay? So moving along you go, you know, 329 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: you make it the fantasy suite. You guys do do 330 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: fantasy suites anything? Any Like, I don't know any conversations 331 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: in there that really just helped. 332 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 3: Where am I going to solidify your feelings for Jenny? 333 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: It's it's kind of crazy because I don't think I 334 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: took time off camera to ask the kind of questions 335 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: that push the relationship. So like you're at cocktail parties, 336 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: you're at the road ceremonies, you're at whatever it might be, 337 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: that's the time to ask those questions. You know. When 338 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 2: I actually got down to the moment of being at 339 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: a when I was at Fantasy, I actually just stopped 340 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: and I was like, how are you? Like, I just 341 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: want to know how you're doing, How are you with everything? 342 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: How has this process been for you? How are you 343 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: as a person? Like, how are you really? I just 344 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 2: want to know that. I want to know how you're doing, 345 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: and I want to talk about things you enjoy, things 346 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: you don't enjoy, Like tell me it without having to 347 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 2: worry about maybe getting caught slipping up or saying the 348 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 2: wrong thing for a second. That's all I want to 349 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 2: get to know. So I kind of took the fantasy seats, 350 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 2: I took the fantasy suite time to really just ask 351 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: those kind of questions. 352 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: Did you did you have any idea durry fantasy suites 353 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: or after where the other guys were in their relationship 354 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: with her m. 355 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: I didn't fully know. Well, no, and it's I mean, 356 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 2: you're separated from from all the guys at this point. 357 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: You know, there's only three of us left. 358 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: Yes, you guys don't really, you guys don't even you 359 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: don't even get to talk or feel it out. 360 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, But I think based on our process 361 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 2: and the way Jen and I kind of handle ourselves 362 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 2: up until that point, you know, every week I went 363 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 2: into each Rod ceremony very confident. I was like, you 364 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 2: know what, it would be kind of weird if I 365 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 2: went home like we just had an amazing conversation, in 366 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 2: my opinion, like things felt so great, Like it just 367 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 2: would have felt like you get home, you get sent 368 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 2: home for that, Like she must be like already saying 369 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 2: she's in love with somebody if I'm getting sent home 370 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 2: for that. But then it got to this point, and 371 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: you know, I think that just felt different. This is 372 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: the first Rod ceremony I walked into and I was like, 373 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 2: you know, what's probably. 374 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: Me, Like really you thought that? 375 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 2: I thought that, And I think it's just like I 376 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: think there was an X factor missing, And especially watching 377 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 2: it back, I mean you can kind of see it 378 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 2: like she's confessing her love for Marcus and Devin's saying 379 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 2: that he's in love with her, and I'm sitting there 380 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 2: in this middle ground with her where like everything's great, 381 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: it's fun, like we have no issues with each other, 382 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: no drama, Like it's just free, it's easy. But that 383 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 2: next step isn't there. 384 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, and your fantasy Suite day kicked off with you 385 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 4: saying she doesn't know me well enough for me to 386 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 4: feel ready to propose. And I feel like there was 387 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 4: a large contrast between like that kind of setting the 388 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 4: tone of where you guys were at at that point 389 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 4: in the journey and then seeing where the other two 390 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 4: were at. It must have brought a lot of kind 391 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 4: of clarity and reassurance watching the episode back. 392 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: Honestly a ton, you know, seeing the other two's relationship 393 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 2: gave me all like the reassurance and clarity that I 394 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 2: needed to see that it wasn't just like that. I 395 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,719 Speaker 2: couldn't get there, because that's very hard on yourself to 396 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 2: just sit like it's your fault, like you couldn't get there, 397 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 2: you couldn't do this, you can do that. But then 398 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: you see her relationship with these other two guys and 399 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, now this makes sense, Like she clearly 400 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 2: has so much love for Marcus and like that is 401 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: a part of where her head's at. That just like 402 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 2: really shows us that she was able to get there. 403 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 2: And on the flip side, you have Devin, who was 404 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: just able to get there so quick. You know, I 405 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: think he got feelings for her faster than anybody. And 406 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 2: seeing that it just wasn't there was me just being like, Okay, 407 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 2: that's the closure of being like what it wasn't you, 408 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: it wasn't her, It was just it just wasn't right. 409 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. 410 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 4: Did you ever think about going into fantasy suites or 411 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 4: at any point in fantasy suites being like, so, what's 412 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 4: the deal here? Like who's going home this week? 413 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: That's what I would do? 414 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 4: Door shuts, cameras off. All right, buddy, what's what? 415 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: Where's your at? 416 00:20:58,760 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 3: Just be straight with me. 417 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 4: Neither of us ever ended up in a fantasy speak 418 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 4: with anyone but each other. But did you ever think like, oh, 419 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 4: should I just like ask her like she might know, 420 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 4: she might have an idea, ask her where her head's at, 421 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 4: and like push her for a straight answer, or does 422 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 4: it feel awkward? And like because I could also see 423 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 4: them in a bad position. 424 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: To do that and it goes south like then you 425 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: kind of look like a nosy prick. 426 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 4: I think it's kind of fair to be a nosy 427 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 4: prick in this environment a little bit at times. 428 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 2: For me, that's kind of where I would go with it. 429 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 2: It's it's kind of weird. 430 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 5: To ask, you know, it feels inappropriate right like you're 431 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 5: starting to get feelings to somebody and like you've known 432 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 5: each other that long, be like, hey, are you in 433 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 5: love with somebody else? 434 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: Like it sounds valid, but in the moment, you're just 435 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 2: like this doesn't feel You're. 436 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 3: Like I feel like a douchebag. 437 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: Overseeing Yeah, almost like hey, can I look at your 438 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: phone really quick to see like how everything like in mind, 439 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 2: you just don't do that. And for me, I was 440 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: just like, I'm not going to ask. 441 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: And that's a good comparison. That makes sense. 442 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 4: The phone comparison like that that makes sense when you 443 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 4: put it that way, like a violation of privacy asked 444 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 4: that question. 445 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 2: It almost feels as if though too, and like Joe said, 446 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 2: like it's like you can fall in your face. It 447 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: feels like you just like are like insecuring your guys' 448 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: relationship almost to where it's like, oh, you have to ask, 449 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: like you don't believe in not strong enough whether it's 450 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: true or not true. It's a fifty to fifty shot there. 451 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 2: So it's like I could either hit big and she'd 452 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, you are in game for me, 453 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 2: like I love you so much, or it's like a 454 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 2: oh well and then you're like yeah, and. 455 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: Then you're stuck in the room with them the rest 456 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 3: of the night. 457 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well this is awkward. Now it's like go 458 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: somewhere else. 459 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you never. I don't think you want to put 460 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: yourself in a position where if you say something like 461 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: it could just totally destroy your chances of being the one. 462 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: I guess. 463 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 4: But I mean you'd have to be like pretty confident 464 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 4: it was you to be asking that question, I guess, 465 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 4: because the other alternative it's not you, is just it's 466 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 4: not really a risk you want to take. 467 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: Jonathan, when you went home. Obviously you're going through like 468 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: your whole journey and your feelings and hers and your 469 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: relationship and you're probably you know, running it all back. 470 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: But in that moment, who do you think she's going 471 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: to choose? Do you have an opinion. 472 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 2: At that point? 473 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, like did you go home and you're like, Okay, 474 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: well it's not me. I think she's choosing. It's probably Devin. 475 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so tough. I don't know, like if it 476 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: came down to like a me and Marcus, because we're 477 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: very similar individuals, I don't know, like, oh, it's definitely Marcus, 478 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 2: but you know, I think it was like weeding out 479 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: the two options at the end, Like him and I 480 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: are very similar, but she had more feelings for Marcus, 481 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: so that would be the placeholder for that, And then 482 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: there's Devin, And I feel like to an extent, she 483 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 2: has like this like unspoken draw towards Devin, you know 484 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: that she's always had and we all know he's got 485 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,239 Speaker 2: a silver tongue, like yeah, you can talk left and 486 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: right in circles wherever, but he means what he says. 487 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 2: And I think Jen saw that really early on, and 488 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: you know, he was getting first roses repeatedly. You know, 489 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,479 Speaker 2: so I'm sitting I'm sitting here against guys that are 490 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 2: getting first roses two to one on ones, and I'm 491 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 2: just kind. 492 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: Of like, yeah, yeah, yeah. 493 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 4: It's interesting because some seasons the contestants will come off 494 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 4: the show and be like we all knew, like they 495 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 4: liked this person, or like, you know, like we knew 496 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 4: like these two or three were like way ahead of 497 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 4: everyone else, or like it was very obvious. And I 498 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 4: feel like I don't know exactly how Jen was, but 499 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 4: just kind of based on your answer and also what 500 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 4: we've seen, she seems to be good at concealing. 501 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 3: Like the direction of her heart. 502 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 4: Like every week at Rose Samonies, it could kind of 503 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 4: go a bunch of different. 504 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 3: Ways, it feels like, at least for us as viewers. 505 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 4: So it makes an interesting season when it's kind of 506 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 4: hard to tell. 507 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: Well, we we interviewed you live at the mentel all, 508 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: but just to touch on the mental all a little 509 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: bit overall, what were your thoughts on on the whole 510 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,479 Speaker 1: I guess the whole the whole night, a little bit 511 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: of the drama, and then just like Jen coming back. 512 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 2: Whole night itself. You know, I kind of spoke on 513 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: it a little bit earlier, but like I didn't partake 514 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: in it of the drama really throughout the season. I 515 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: wasn't going to start that night. You know, it's a 516 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: lot of grown men making a lot of noise that 517 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 2: leads to literally nothing, and I have zero energy to 518 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: put in that direction. I want to talk about positive things. 519 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: I want to talk about people's wins, their victories, the 520 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 2: good things in life. I don't want to sit here 521 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 2: and talk about who brought a stupid book and who 522 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 2: didn't read it. Like I don't care. Ye, Like we're established, 523 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: we're twenty eight plus years old. Like you, giving a 524 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 2: guy that hates you a book isn't going to change 525 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: his mindset on life, Like he's he knows who he is, 526 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: he likes who he is. You can offer advice, but 527 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 2: it's not the end all be all. And then outside 528 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 2: of that, you know, I think specifically too for like 529 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 2: sam Am, you know, he had hit a rough go 530 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 2: at it the last couple episodes, and I don't think 531 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 2: he was able to really articulate what he was trying 532 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 2: to say very well at all. I mean we all 533 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 2: kind of saw him fumble his words at the radio show, 534 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 2: and then when he came on at the mental health 535 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 2: he spoke very clear, very concise, and for me personally, 536 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 2: like I'll never fall to man for trying to be better, 537 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: you know, And you could tell in the genuineness of 538 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 2: like what he was saying that he really wanted to 539 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 2: do better and he really reflected on like what it 540 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 2: was that had went wrong. So when he went out there, 541 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: spokeus truth, spocused feelings, and was able to actually articulate it. 542 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 2: This time, I was I was proud of the man 543 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 2: he's trying to become moving forward from what he saw. 544 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: So that was all really good and seeing Jen. Seeing 545 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 2: Jen was great. You know, we started off our relationship 546 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 2: as friends. We just had fun. We're like best friends 547 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 2: that kissed, you know, like it was it was one 548 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: of those kinds of the relationships. But then you take 549 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 2: away the kissing and we're still just friends at the 550 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 2: end of the day. So seeing her, you had nothing 551 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 2: but great things to say to her, told her I 552 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: was proud of her. 553 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: Did it feel did it feel did it feel right 554 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: like where you guys are at. Did it make sense? 555 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I think it's it's okay there. Yeah, there 556 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 2: was no bad blood, bad intentions, bad anything. I just 557 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 2: wanted to wish her the best, and I don't know 558 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: how it ends, but hopefully she's happier than ever. I 559 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: still feel a compliment her way. I told her she 560 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 2: liked Ca Cass in her dress and brought up this 561 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 2: like list of three dresses that she'd like. Kept going. 562 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 2: I know, we talked about it in the last Yeah, 563 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 2: brought that up was like my last, my last little 564 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: compliment to her. But it's good. 565 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 4: Nice, Well, Jonathan, we appreciate you coming on and chatting 566 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 4: with us about all the things from your season to 567 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 4: end off. Do you want to play a little game 568 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 4: with us? 569 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 2: Sure? Still? 570 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: Oh and and congrats you are officially casted on Bachelor 571 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: in Paradise. So yeah, well yeah, thank you. 572 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy to get that. I don't know. I 573 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 2: wish somebody gave me a heads up. And I was 574 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: sitting there with my jaw on the floor while everyone 575 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 2: is cheering, and I was like, I don't even know 576 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: if I officially confirmed, but I think I said I'll 577 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: see you on the beach, Jesse, so we'll see. 578 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: All the other guys had to work much harder. They 579 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: were the ones. 580 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, they made a chemt a spiders to make you 581 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 4: do anything I do. 582 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 2: Is walk out and smile and say yes. 583 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, that's the way to do it. 584 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 3: Is there anyone. 585 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 4: Any girls that you would want to see down there 586 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 4: or anyone from your season that you'd want to brow 587 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 4: out with on the beach. 588 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: As far as the broout part, no, only reason it's 589 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: just because the purpose isn't to bro out, Like if 590 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: I I have amazing friends from there, like I love 591 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: Jeremy Spencer, Marcus, like Devin. I love all of those guys. 592 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: But you know, first of all, one of those two 593 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 2: last guys, probably with Jen, could be a Jen. I 594 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 2: don't know, so we'll see. But as far as the 595 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: other ones, like I would have a good time with 596 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: whoever's there girl wise, I don't know. I haven't seen 597 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: enough of the seasons. I just I kind of want 598 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 2: to go in open minded and just see what comes in. 599 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to put too much of like a 600 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: pressure on somebody or something and just have this big 601 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,479 Speaker 2: idea of who it is I'm looking for and then 602 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 2: it ruins something good that's right in front of me. 603 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: Probably not have conversations through d MS or try to 604 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: keep those minimal. 605 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 2: That's what I keep hearing, and I will avoid batorination. 606 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 4: Because is like the show, well it works, but for 607 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 4: the most part it does. 608 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: The show also does a pretty good job. And now 609 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: that there's been a full season or at ice, like, 610 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: you never know who's going to. 611 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 3: Be down there, There's going to be a large amount 612 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 3: of people to choose to do. 613 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: It's like you don't want to start some ship with 614 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: someone and then end up meeting somebody that you actually 615 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: really like in paradise and then that comes and potentially 616 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: fucks up the beginning of a relationship. 617 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 4: So it's also like a year until filming. So like 618 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 4: I mean, if you get into a relationship, that's obviously 619 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 4: the goal. 620 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: Just just your best to behave out there. 621 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 4: Let's play this game, Okay, So the game is just 622 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 4: my type with Jonathan, rapid fire questions, all easy fun. 623 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 4: So starting off, what is a deal breaker of yours? 624 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: Deal breaker lack of purpose? 625 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 3: Describe your dream girl in three. 626 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: Words, mind, silly, and spontaneous. 627 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 3: What's the best way for a girl to catch your attention? 628 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 2: Uh? I just had this conversation with somebody the other day, 629 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 2: Like if they're at a wedding and they're like dancing goofy, 630 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 2: but just confidently. I don't know what it is, but 631 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna come talk to you for sure. 632 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 3: What is a green flag you look for when dating? 633 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: Emotional intelligence, like very self aware? 634 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 3: What's the first thing you notice about a woman. 635 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: Legs? 636 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 3: What's your ideal first date? 637 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: Ideal first date? Oh, I have one that is my favorite. 638 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 2: I usually go like David Busters, dinner walk. David Busters 639 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 2: is a toss up because it just has to be 640 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 2: an activity. I need to know that you can hang, 641 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 2: that you'r fun, that you can get a little competitive 642 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 2: with me, and then we'll get in more serious at dinner, 643 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 2: have like a nice chat and then everything goes well. 644 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: We'll go for a walk, wrap some wine, or just 645 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 2: chill out. 646 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 3: It's a long first date. What's your. 647 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 4: I guess only if it's going well. If it goes 648 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 4: back to David Busters, it's over no dinner. What's your 649 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 4: biggest turn off? 650 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't know. 651 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 4: Rapid fire, Jonathan, hygiene, that's important. What do you think 652 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 4: makes you a catch? 653 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 2: Open mindedness? 654 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 3: Do you date more introverted or extroverted girls? 655 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 2: Extroverted for sure? 656 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 4: And last one, who is your celebrity crush Billie Eilish. 657 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: Really that's nice. 658 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 3: I would not have expected that. 659 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: She's got She's honestly, her songs are her voice is incredible. 660 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: Any time I listen to her, I'm like, she's so good. 661 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 3: Her eyes are really beautiful. 662 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 2: I have an obsession with like singing competitions and shows, 663 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: so love singers, but also just like her individuality. She's 664 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 2: not afraid to be yourself and I absolutely love that nice. 665 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 3: Did you watch her on What's That? David Letterman? You 666 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 3: should go watch. It's a really good episode. 667 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: That's a good interview. 668 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 3: David Letterman's interview with her on Netflix is like amazing. 669 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: Jonathan, thank you so much for taking the time. I'm 670 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: pretty sure this won't be the last we're going to 671 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: have you on this podcast, so good luck with everything, 672 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: And to all our listeners, thank you guys for tuning 673 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: into Bed for Happy Hour. We love having you hair 674 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,919 Speaker 1: and make sure you subscribe and download YEP. 675 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 4: Next week we have the finale of gen season, so 676 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 4: stay tuned for that for lots of exclusive interviews coming 677 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 4: your way, and don't forget to subscribe. 678 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 3: Bye bye,