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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, November fifth, in twenty nineteen, Season fifteen,
Speaker 1: episode number seventy five. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: We're live from the s WBC Warrior Studios at the start,
Speaker 1: and we got a lot to talk about. The day.
Speaker 1: Cowboys get a win yesterday, a big win and when
Speaker 1: they need it in the division. They beat the New
Speaker 1: York Giants final score thirty seven eighteen in a game
Speaker 1: that I guess I would characterize it as a game
Speaker 1: that on paper looks like a beat down. But if
Speaker 1: you watch the game and you're a Cowboys fan or
Speaker 1: an observer of the Cowboys, you probably have just as
Speaker 1: many questions coming out of that game as you have answers.
Speaker 1: What I'm gonna do? Those got my crew here, We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about some storyline. Let's start off there, Amber,
Speaker 1: what do you think was the biggest storyline coming out
Speaker 1: of that game? Nice sound effect, I mean that's the
Speaker 1: right answer, but go ahead, yeah, no, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was probably the best moment of the game.
Speaker 1: The most entertaining moment was that black Cat hit in
Speaker 1: the field, which turned out that his presence made everything
Speaker 1: change for the Cowboys. But girl, definitely a girl. Why
Speaker 1: I don't know just where you going with that? Where
Speaker 1: are you going with that? Just all over the place,
Speaker 1: and you never bro all right back to football, back
Speaker 1: to football. I you know, I'm just really frustrated and
Speaker 1: annoyed and upset. I know that the Cowboys picked it up,
Speaker 1: and then when you look at the teams that they
Speaker 1: have beat this season, it's just to me, that's unacceptable
Speaker 1: going in against the Giants and starting the game playing
Speaker 1: that way. You're not gonna win many games playing this
Speaker 1: way once you start facing bigger opponents. So I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of disappointed because we know what the Cowboys can
Speaker 1: do and they just don't do it. Wow. I love
Speaker 1: that hit me five a g because it would be
Speaker 1: so easy to come in here on a victory Tuesday.
Speaker 1: We didn't get a lot of sleep. They've won by nineteen.
Speaker 1: It would be so easy to come in here, you know,
Speaker 1: singing sunshine, and that's not the case. Like, good for them.
Speaker 1: They handled business. It's an inferior team talent one out
Speaker 1: in the end. But honestly, for my money, the first
Speaker 1: three quarters of that game looked a lot like Green Bay,
Speaker 1: which is to say, move the ball on offense, but
Speaker 1: sloppy got in their own way, turn the ball over,
Speaker 1: untimely penalties. The defense played better, I'll give them that.
Speaker 1: The defense. You're right, the defense was much better. Oh
Speaker 1: by the way, who were they playing the two and
Speaker 1: six Giants with a rookie quarterback and not Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: So you play who you play. All wins are good wins.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to crap on them too much, but
Speaker 1: my point is they played an ugly, sloppy first two
Speaker 1: to two and a half quarters of that game, and
Speaker 1: they were really lucky to be leading at halftime, let
Speaker 1: alone even be in the game. It gets you beat
Speaker 1: against better teams. It already has this year. It got
Speaker 1: them beat against a bad team in the New York Jets,
Speaker 1: So kudos to them. I was really encouraged by the
Speaker 1: way the defense played but it just looked a lot
Speaker 1: like so many other games we've seen this year, and
Speaker 1: it will get them beat when they play teams that
Speaker 1: aren't now two and seven. So I'm not that impressed,
Speaker 1: all things considered, Nick, I thought, this is about taking
Speaker 1: care of business, and they did that. The defense, I thought,
Speaker 1: set the tone the whole game, and the defense, the
Speaker 1: offensive line and the defensive line dominated the line of scrummage.
Speaker 1: And I thought that, that to me is why I
Speaker 1: don't call this really an ugly game. Ugly win, just
Speaker 1: because if you win up front, you're gonna win. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it's five A football, six A football,
Speaker 1: you know, college pro, if you kick their ass up front.
Speaker 1: And they did that, and so I thought, I think
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett is from one game's worth. I think Michael
Speaker 1: Bennett was an absolute outstanding acquisition. Let's see how it
Speaker 1: all plays out. But that's what they have missed right there.
Speaker 1: They have missed a push right up the middle. I
Speaker 1: love Tyron Crawford. He doesn't really give him that though,
Speaker 1: he really not, not from what he did in that game.
Speaker 1: And so we can talk more about it. But I'm
Speaker 1: not really, you know, annoyed by the way the game was.
Speaker 1: I mean Monday night football playing against the Vision team
Speaker 1: that there got more momentum. I thought the Cowboys, that's
Speaker 1: kind of what I thought it would be. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and I do think it was two different storylines because
Speaker 1: I agree with a lot of what you guys Amber
Speaker 1: and Dave are saying, but I think it's to me,
Speaker 1: it's it's the offense. The offense had a horrible I
Speaker 1: unt say horrible. They had a game that was not
Speaker 1: very crisp. The quarterback I don't think played particularly well,
Speaker 1: especially in the early parts. He got it going a
Speaker 1: little bit later, but a lot of that was get
Speaker 1: the ball to right guy, and those guys made some
Speaker 1: plays to some big plays that got the big yardage
Speaker 1: and in touchdowns. But if you look at the defense,
Speaker 1: I think the defense was really outstanding, the fact that
Speaker 1: they were think about this. They had three turnovers, they
Speaker 1: had five sacks, they had eleven quarterback hits, they stopped
Speaker 1: the Giants. They were one of five in the red
Speaker 1: zone last night. Five times they were in the red
Speaker 1: zone and they ended up with four field goals and
Speaker 1: one touchdown. It's starting with the first series of the game,
Speaker 1: when Dad give up the interception and they start on
Speaker 1: the freaking eight yard line. I mean, you look at
Speaker 1: a game like that. To me, that is a dominant
Speaker 1: defensive performance against a division rival. So I agree with
Speaker 1: you guys offensively, I don't think defensively that's the right story. No,
Speaker 1: you're right, and they deserve a lot of cred I
Speaker 1: think that's as impressed as I've been by the defense.
Speaker 1: And I think that even includes the Philly game, because
Speaker 1: this was on the road Saints game, eating well better offense.
Speaker 1: Obviously they were playing better offense. I just they just
Speaker 1: looked like tenacious, Like whether you're like Sean Lee attacking
Speaker 1: stuff downhill, looking like it was five years ago. Not
Speaker 1: that he's lost a step, but but you haven't. I
Speaker 1: mean he clearly hasn't. Like when he gets the opportunity
Speaker 1: and he's healthy, he hasn't lost anything. We just haven't
Speaker 1: seen it recently. It seemed like the pass rush was
Speaker 1: on top of Daniel Jones before he had time to
Speaker 1: do anything. More often than not, I think we're finally
Speaker 1: seeing Robert Quinn's success paying dividends for Tank Lawrence because
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's getting one on ones and
Speaker 1: just annihilating Mike Rammers at will. Basically, Bennett was impressive.
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith was very impressive. For the most part, Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods probably played the game of his career. So you're right,
Speaker 1: they were. They were great. It's just the un character no,
Speaker 1: not the very characteristic mistakes by the offense, the consistent inconsistency.
Speaker 1: I agree with Nick to a point that it is
Speaker 1: the NFL. And I think I said in our pregame
Speaker 1: right up, I was like, you know, they're gonna win
Speaker 1: this game by seventeen or twenty points, but it's going
Speaker 1: to take them some time to pull away. But even
Speaker 1: knowing that it's it's just was ugly at the start.
Speaker 1: It just didn't look crisp. And you would have preferred
Speaker 1: to see better coming out of a bye week. You see.
Speaker 1: I understand that you have to focus on each game
Speaker 1: at a time, but we've seen it way too often
Speaker 1: already during this season, and your defense can only do
Speaker 1: so much to help you. And it's just, yes, they
Speaker 1: played a great game, but where is that gonna get
Speaker 1: you in the next coming games? In my opinion, the
Speaker 1: best well, I shouldn't even say that. Two of the
Speaker 1: best three or four teams in this League right now
Speaker 1: are winning with defense, with outstanding defense, and their offenses
Speaker 1: are a lot of what you saw last night from
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. And I'm talking about the San Francisco forty
Speaker 1: nine ers, I'm talking about the New England Patriots. Both
Speaker 1: those teams are not having great offensive seasons, they're playing
Speaker 1: outstanding defense. And I actually think that this move to
Speaker 1: bring in Michael Bennett changes the whole complexion of this
Speaker 1: team because I think he does give you, Dave, you
Speaker 1: mentioned that you saw it last night. The dividends are
Speaker 1: starting to pay off of Robert Quinn. What that means
Speaker 1: for DeMarcus I actually think starting to pay off. In
Speaker 1: just one game, we saw the difference out of Michael
Speaker 1: Bennett makes the guy is so active and so disruptive
Speaker 1: in the middle part of the defense when he's playing
Speaker 1: defensive tackle and those other two guys on the field.
Speaker 1: That first sack for DeMarcus was all about the fact
Speaker 1: that he just collapsed the pocket and then here comes
Speaker 1: DeMarcus just swooping around in the inside and he had
Speaker 1: a clear path to the quarterback. I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: you get from a guy like him, and I don't
Speaker 1: think that's a coincidence that that in that game. You
Speaker 1: saw the turnovers, you saw the fumbles, you saw the interception.
Speaker 1: I think all that stuff works together. You get more pressure,
Speaker 1: you get more quarterback hits. It's gonna result in the
Speaker 1: defense getting off the field and giving the offense a
Speaker 1: short feel sometimes. And I guess that it goes back
Speaker 1: to my point. I mean, we've we've seen games where
Speaker 1: they've had they had five sacks against New Orleans. They've
Speaker 1: gotten sacks at times this year, but it didn't look
Speaker 1: like that in my opinion. You know, DeMarcus had a
Speaker 1: sack against Teddy Bridgewater where Bridgewater moved up in the
Speaker 1: pocket because he had room and Tank swiped him right
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. Like last night, Daniel Jones,
Speaker 1: I mean, he just had guys on top of him
Speaker 1: before he had a chance to even read the defense.
Speaker 1: And that was super fun and super encouraging if they
Speaker 1: can keep that going. But remember who Daniel Jones is
Speaker 1: and being experienced there, so you gotta look at it
Speaker 1: in all different ways. Yes, great job for the defense
Speaker 1: and it is encouraging to see what Michael Bennett was
Speaker 1: able to do, but keep in mind who you were
Speaker 1: playing against I get all that. What hold on, They're
Speaker 1: playing against the best running back in football right now,
Speaker 1: and that guy had you know, I mean, they did
Speaker 1: a great job. I mean, he had a sixty five
Speaker 1: yard play. That's what makes him so good, because I mean,
Speaker 1: when you think about nineteen touches for Barkley gets him
Speaker 1: thirty yards, nineteen touches for thirty yards, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he gets another one sixty five yards
Speaker 1: and he's doing most of that on his own. I
Speaker 1: mean it was a pass, but I mean it was
Speaker 1: a short pass. But they are facing a great running
Speaker 1: back and they're facing a rookie quarterback. It's gonna get
Speaker 1: a lot tougher than that. But I just think, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I think like we're setting up maybe the
Speaker 1: expectations are too high. Like I don't think this is
Speaker 1: a great football team. I think this is a good
Speaker 1: football team. I thought they were gonna be great, but
Speaker 1: they're not. They're gonna be good and with a chance
Speaker 1: to compete with anyone. But I mean, I think they
Speaker 1: can compete with any team in the league. But I
Speaker 1: also think that any team in the league's gonna hang
Speaker 1: in there with them, Like they did. The Dolphins hung
Speaker 1: in there for a little bit, the Jets beat them,
Speaker 1: the Giants hung in there. So I think this is
Speaker 1: kind of what it is. Yeah, honestly, I just I
Speaker 1: look at this game, and I probably am a little
Speaker 1: bit more optimistic after this game than then. It saw
Speaker 1: that most of you guys are. But it's because I
Speaker 1: look at this defense and I've seen I've seen teams
Speaker 1: in this NFL where they get rolling. They get rolling
Speaker 1: because their defensive front is so stout and so ferocious.
Speaker 1: And so this gives me shades that. Look that giant
Speaker 1: team you be last night, they won two Super Bowls
Speaker 1: in the two thousands doing that. That what they did
Speaker 1: last is what the Cowboys did last night. Having a
Speaker 1: defensive front that is just consistently after your quarterback, it
Speaker 1: changes games and it has a way of keeping you
Speaker 1: in games when your offense is kind of sputtering until
Speaker 1: they can get it going and until they can make
Speaker 1: a play here and there, and then it gets rolling.
Speaker 1: So do what how many games can you win with
Speaker 1: field goals? I'm not saying you're gonna win a bunch
Speaker 1: of sas you need a good balance. I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: your defense can be great and all that, but your
Speaker 1: defense is not going to be able to win for
Speaker 1: you every single game. I get that, but once again,
Speaker 1: you look at the best teams NFL this year. Two
Speaker 1: of the best teams I just mentioned are doing it
Speaker 1: with defense. Their offenses are not playing that great. I
Speaker 1: just I'm just optimistic about what I'm seeing defensively, and
Speaker 1: again it may end up at that defense that was
Speaker 1: an operation what we saw last night from them. Maybe
Speaker 1: they get into a game this week and they just
Speaker 1: get run out of the building. Who knows all I'm
Speaker 1: saying is watching that defense last night it gave me
Speaker 1: some level of optimism that maybe this defense can actually
Speaker 1: put this team on his shoulder and they really can
Speaker 1: make them make them. Hey, I don't think you're gonna
Speaker 1: see them get run out of any buildings. They're clearly
Speaker 1: very good. Like even in the games they've played poorly.
Speaker 1: You know, they buckled down and limited Green Bay after
Speaker 1: a slow start, and a lot of that was because
Speaker 1: the offense kept turning the ball over. I just think
Speaker 1: the problem is, can they dominate a game like that
Speaker 1: against a good quarterback if their offense keeps putting them
Speaker 1: in bad positions. I mean, they did that as we
Speaker 1: have to see. They did this in New Orleans. I
Speaker 1: mean they held the Saints out of the end zone
Speaker 1: on four or five trips, again against an above average
Speaker 1: backup quarterback, but still a backup. And you know, like,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think we're trying to rain on
Speaker 1: people's parades. But the offense just there's so much talent
Speaker 1: and it isn't translating as consistently as it needs to,
Speaker 1: and that sounds stupid. They had four hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: nine yards and scored thirty points and they're number one
Speaker 1: in the league, right I mean, I just I mean,
Speaker 1: like you said, maybe they're not great, but they're really
Speaker 1: really good. I don't know, Like I'm I think we're
Speaker 1: just seeing a different game right now. I mean I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not saying that, oh you beat the Giants. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go in the press box and
Speaker 1: say super Bowl did I was a little high on
Speaker 1: no sleep yesterday, but anything I said shadow boxing with
Speaker 1: Dave it was a rough I'm sorry. If it takes
Speaker 1: you twenty five minutes to start playing competent football against
Speaker 1: the better teams in the league, I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a recipe for success. Did you kick their ass? Though?
Speaker 1: Did they? Did the Cowboys kick the giants ass at
Speaker 1: the left? No doubt that they were the better at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. Sure, but it's a giant.
Speaker 1: We call that a we call that a front door cover.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, we said you just said at the
Speaker 1: top of the show, like you and I looked at
Speaker 1: each other on the sideline last night and we were
Speaker 1: like people that look up and people that wake up
Speaker 1: at the morning and didn't finish this game and look
Speaker 1: at the score are going to have the wrong impression
Speaker 1: of what really happened there. They're not real fans. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about Cowboy fans. I'm talking about Joe Blow,
Speaker 1: some Joe Blow Panther fan who just didn't feel like
Speaker 1: watching the game. Let's say it's like with green Bay,
Speaker 1: how they played against Green Bay and having a slow star.
Speaker 1: Once they finally started to move the ball, it was
Speaker 1: just too late. Against a guy like Aaron Rodgers. Yes,
Speaker 1: not everybody s Aaron Rodgers, but still, when you start
Speaker 1: talking about veteran guys with a lot of experience who
Speaker 1: are better teams, you know, that's the kind of challenge
Speaker 1: that you're gonna face when you end up starting slow
Speaker 1: and picking it up later in the fourth quarter. Just
Speaker 1: a challenge this week. I mean, I know we're not
Speaker 1: gonna move on just yet, but I mean, hell yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a challenge, right, Oh yeah, I mean so good.
Speaker 1: I mean, but this is a team very similar to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in my opinion, Like their team like nine Minnesota,
Speaker 1: they're like, what team are we gonna get this week?
Speaker 1: Like they're just as inconsistent as the Cowboys. From the
Speaker 1: standpoint of one week they'll show up and they look
Speaker 1: like world beaters, and next week they show up and
Speaker 1: like what's this? Who is this team? Like it's just
Speaker 1: these are two teams that are kind of trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what their identity really is. This quarterback is
Speaker 1: and that. I mean, he's never really hurt the Cowboys, right,
Speaker 1: He's always been every time I've watched him. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like that Eagles linebacker that
Speaker 1: said he's not very good. But he has not been
Speaker 1: very good against the Cowboys. I would we're talking about
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikis for those Cousins has played some really
Speaker 1: good games against the Cowboys. Just not good. I mean
Speaker 1: he bombed away on them for like four or sixty
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Two fifteen sixteen, I think No
Speaker 1: Outher Watt das Dak's first road game, he killed him.
Speaker 1: I mean, he threw a terrible pick in the end
Speaker 1: zone to our guy, Barry Church. I mean, I'm with you,
Speaker 1: he's I think he's overrated. I think I saw last night.
Speaker 1: He's won in twenty seven against teams with a winning record.
Speaker 1: He doesn't necessarily terrify me, but he's played some good games.
Speaker 1: He came here that same season, he came here on
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and through for four or something, and Dak just
Speaker 1: outdueled him. That was a really fun game. All Right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our first break, and no, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take a first break when we come back. I do
Speaker 1: want to talk about this offense a little bit more.
Speaker 1: We talked about the struggles they had, but that was
Speaker 1: one thing they did really, really well. We'll talk about
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Speaker 1: the Break, Welcome back. It is the final segment break.
Speaker 1: I'm the second segment of the break Live. We get
Speaker 1: lost in our own conversations. Yeah, sometimes I just wish
Speaker 1: we just go right through breaks and just keep talking
Speaker 1: because the conversation is good. So anyway, um, we talked
Speaker 1: about the offense and some of the struggles. One thing
Speaker 1: that we need to talk about, Nick, you alluded to
Speaker 1: it a little earlier. The offensive line was absolutely dominant
Speaker 1: yesterday and it reflected in the rushing yards. Zeke talked
Speaker 1: about it after the game. It was like, it was
Speaker 1: the easiest hundred and thirty nine yards he's ever gotten.
Speaker 1: He's like, because the offensive line was just mauling him
Speaker 1: and creating these huge gaps for him. He does have
Speaker 1: twenty three carries one hundred and thirty nine yards a
Speaker 1: six point zero average on twenty three carries. That's impressive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's extremely impressive. Talk about this offensive line in the
Speaker 1: running game. Yeah, I thought that. You know, you asked
Speaker 1: me at one point in the game, how many yards
Speaker 1: of Zeke cav and about seventy eight and it was
Speaker 1: one seventeen and it was you know, it was a
Speaker 1: quiet one seventeen. But they you know, it's nothing flashy
Speaker 1: with him, but but ten twelve yards you know at
Speaker 1: a time, and then you know, down in the red
Speaker 1: zone on that second possession. I mean, you know, we
Speaker 1: all want to see Tony Pollard at some point, but
Speaker 1: at that point in the game, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: thought that was a little too early to be putting
Speaker 1: him out there. And a couple of plays like that,
Speaker 1: but you know, they did stall there. But for the
Speaker 1: most part, I thought Zeke and Pollard helped in there,
Speaker 1: and it was it was a good effort. It felt
Speaker 1: like Kellen Moore like listened to the break because he'd
Speaker 1: gave Pollard a chance. Maybe that would be so cool.
Speaker 1: What's up, Kellen? Appreciate appreciate you're listening. Um. He tried
Speaker 1: to get Pollard involved in all the ways that we
Speaker 1: talk about we want them to and it's just so,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe the lights were a little too
Speaker 1: bright for Tony, but a variety of guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: he had a run call back by a flag on
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins, I think. But the dropped screen pass. I
Speaker 1: mean it's stuff like that though. I mean, if he
Speaker 1: catches that, he probably scores. Or they're you know, they're
Speaker 1: down near the goal line and they just keep shooting
Speaker 1: themselves in the foot. But you know, people get mad
Speaker 1: at the coaching staff. I can't blame the coaches for
Speaker 1: what they were doing in that game at all. They
Speaker 1: came out throwing, they were getting guys involved, they were
Speaker 1: scheming up different ways to get touches for guys, and
Speaker 1: it didn't translate it to one thing I thought was
Speaker 1: really interesting. I said this to you in the press
Speaker 1: box that first play the game. I mean, just telegraph
Speaker 1: that you know that he was only looking at the
Speaker 1: at the slant they got intercepted. You know, they come
Speaker 1: back in the next possession slant to gallup almost the
Speaker 1: same play. I thought that just looked in a different window.
Speaker 1: I thought it was good to like, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Okay, nice play, but we're not going to
Speaker 1: change what we do. We're still going to go out
Speaker 1: and do these things, and you know, and then they
Speaker 1: went down the field and got a field goal. But
Speaker 1: I thought that was big. I think their first five
Speaker 1: snaps were throws four sorry for yeah, but yeah, that
Speaker 1: was I thought that was pretty impressive that they that
Speaker 1: they at least changed that up a little bit. And
Speaker 1: I think two or three of those were play actions.
Speaker 1: So they knew obviously that any team they go against
Speaker 1: is going to be expecting them to run the ball early.
Speaker 1: And so I think they were doing the right things schematically.
Speaker 1: I think offensively, we're calling the right kinds of plays.
Speaker 1: They just couldn't get out of their own way early.
Speaker 1: They were just making way too many mistakes. You know,
Speaker 1: you had to botch snap that ended up in a sack.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just those kinds of things that
Speaker 1: just you gotta get a touchdown call back, which at
Speaker 1: this point Cobb just you'd be like, man, don't throw
Speaker 1: to me in the end zone because we know it's
Speaker 1: gonna get called back. Seriously, I mean, that's three for
Speaker 1: him now this season touchdowns that have gotten called back,
Speaker 1: but it's those kind of moments where offense just early
Speaker 1: was just shooting themselves in foot. Yeah. You talk of
Speaker 1: all all the great things that they were able to
Speaker 1: do against the Eagles and that you hope they could
Speaker 1: carry over to this game, and for me, the running
Speaker 1: game was one of those things that they were able
Speaker 1: to kind of carry over consistently, you know, and Zeke
Speaker 1: being able to just keep pounding and like Nick said,
Speaker 1: those yards, I mean at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: they add up all of them, and even if little
Speaker 1: ones that you don't really notice, but it becomes very
Speaker 1: effective towards the end. Nick, you mentioned how much Pollard played,
Speaker 1: especially early during the game. I was a little bit
Speaker 1: on the same page with you, But when I went
Speaker 1: back after the game and was really thinking about it,
Speaker 1: I think I actually liked this a little bit more
Speaker 1: and not really waiting to get Zeke to a point
Speaker 1: where he needs to be spelled, but actually just rotating
Speaker 1: them a little bit more frequently. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a well, I shouldn't say that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: Zeke having the night he had last night was a
Speaker 1: result of the fact that he was fresher. The defense
Speaker 1: didn't get a beat on when Poulart was coming in
Speaker 1: versus Zeke like they were. They were just kind of
Speaker 1: rotating them around. And and to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: it's been a long time since you had two backs
Speaker 1: here that when either one of them in the game,
Speaker 1: I felt pretty good about their abilities to be able
Speaker 1: to get the job done. And I'll throw out one
Speaker 1: play particularly where Pollard picked up the blitz last night,
Speaker 1: which if you had some questions about his ability, that
Speaker 1: was one thing you'd question, And he made a really,
Speaker 1: really nice pickup. It was actually across the quarterback. He
Speaker 1: had to go in front of the quarterback's face make
Speaker 1: the blitz pick up. He did it well, gave Dak
Speaker 1: time to make a make a throw. So I look
Speaker 1: at it and I'm like, I actually want to see
Speaker 1: a little bit of that. I want to see them
Speaker 1: mix it up now. I want I want Zeke in
Speaker 1: there on some of the critical downs. But by and large,
Speaker 1: I have no problem with polar plan. As much as
Speaker 1: they wanted to play well, Pollard hasn't improven to me
Speaker 1: that he's a he's better at, you know, catching the ball,
Speaker 1: like I mean going out there and making a play
Speaker 1: like that. Um, we did that a one time thing
Speaker 1: though last night, or is that something that you think
Speaker 1: in a one player couldn't find the ball? In the
Speaker 1: second one he dropped the screen, And I get getting
Speaker 1: him in the game, but you're down three nothing, and
Speaker 1: and you know, let's let's get Zeke going here, because
Speaker 1: I would who would you rather have catch that ball?
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean that's a loaded question. Of course
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Zeke, right, But if it's of course
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Zeke, then why not why not have it?
Speaker 1: Because because I'm not against polar I guess that I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna fight hard to say, you know, no,
Speaker 1: don't put Zeke on the field. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of embibbaling about it, like I'm good, this
Speaker 1: is the time when you have to put him out there,
Speaker 1: even it's little by little, whenever you can, because towards
Speaker 1: the end of the year, I mean, those are the
Speaker 1: times that you're most likely you're gonna have to need
Speaker 1: him to be on the field and help Zeek. So
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not I like the way they used him,
Speaker 1: not too forced but not completely on present on the field,
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that it's the way that
Speaker 1: they should be doing it, because again, he just kind
Speaker 1: of helps build him up little by little and give
Speaker 1: him more experience as the game keeps going. I'm one
Speaker 1: hundred percent with y'all. I mean, I mean, Zeke still
Speaker 1: got seventy seven percent of the touches in the running game.
Speaker 1: Let's not act like it was a committee, but you
Speaker 1: gotta put that stuff on tape for people to respect it.
Speaker 1: That's I was like visibly excited last night. They gave him.
Speaker 1: One of his carries was on like a fly sweep
Speaker 1: or or maybe it was just a fake but a
Speaker 1: little pop pass. Either way, that's what I want to
Speaker 1: see because defenses have to see it before they respect
Speaker 1: that it can happen. And I also loved, you know,
Speaker 1: just bringing him in situationally as opposed to like, well,
Speaker 1: it's the third possession of the half and so this
Speaker 1: is Tony's time. I never really agreed with that when
Speaker 1: they did it with Morris and Rod Smith, so I
Speaker 1: thought it was great. He wasn't he wasn't quite quite
Speaker 1: ready for prime time last night, but he's a young player.
Speaker 1: I think he had four receptions going into that game
Speaker 1: on the year, and we had talked before about how
Speaker 1: dumb that was. Um, so I think it's it's great
Speaker 1: to get him involved. And it's so funny to me
Speaker 1: during these games, like and Zeke was limping for a
Speaker 1: minute in the first half, but everybody's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: where's Zeke? Why is Pollard? And I'm like, no, Like,
Speaker 1: that's just what they're doing. They have two good running
Speaker 1: backs and they're trying to get their rookie involved. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't have a problem with it, especially when
Speaker 1: you see, you know, Zeke is still finishing with twenty
Speaker 1: three of the thirty touches. YEA. Well, let's let's just
Speaker 1: keep an eye on it, like because we just talked
Speaker 1: about how they did struggle there in the red zone,
Speaker 1: and you know this offense is you know, they can't
Speaker 1: beat the Packers and teams like that, you struggle like that.
Speaker 1: Let's just see if that continues. Because they took out
Speaker 1: their best running back and put in Pollard went to
Speaker 1: them twice in the passing game. One time you couldn't
Speaker 1: find the ball. Second when he just dropped a simple
Speaker 1: pass and they had to kick a field goal. So
Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's see if they do that again.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I will say this though, that has
Speaker 1: not been what I've seen of Pollock going back to
Speaker 1: training camp and through the early parts of the season.
Speaker 1: But catching the ball hasn't been what you've seen. Well,
Speaker 1: but they for as much as they've done it hasn't
Speaker 1: been a problem. So I'll say I'll chalk that up
Speaker 1: to he had a bad couple plays there before. I'm
Speaker 1: willing to say I don't think he's capable of doing
Speaker 1: it and doing it well. Um, I want to see
Speaker 1: a little bit more, and I like what I saw yesterday.
Speaker 1: Again he I don't think he got the lion's share.
Speaker 1: I mean, he got just a little bit, but it
Speaker 1: was a little bit. It was enough to me that
Speaker 1: maybe that was the reason, why, why, why, why why
Speaker 1: why Zeke had the game he had, And maybe that
Speaker 1: means that Zeke will be a lot fresher as you
Speaker 1: go into December and you're playing that game in Chicago
Speaker 1: where it might be really really cold and might be
Speaker 1: snowing and you need that guy to be pounding the ball, Like,
Speaker 1: those are the moments when I think that having these
Speaker 1: those few extra carries off his back actually might help you. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's not here for him. I'm just not ready to
Speaker 1: rotate the best running back or the second best running
Speaker 1: back in football and the first drive, I'm not ready
Speaker 1: ready to do that. Yeah, we were both taking it
Speaker 1: back by it. Both of us kind of looked at
Speaker 1: each other like how did that happen? But maybe he
Speaker 1: was you know, and then maybe he was banged up.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was it. But because I asked you that, like,
Speaker 1: am I Yeah, I would looked at the I looked
Speaker 1: through my binocular I was like, no, he's he's fine.
Speaker 1: He's just down there, you know, chilling, maybe out of
Speaker 1: the field. Maybe I'm just a nun apollo, unapologetic Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard stand that is a mouthful. But I just think
Speaker 1: he brings a dynamic element to this offense and he
Speaker 1: kind of he failed the big test last night, but
Speaker 1: there's too much talent there and that. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think it was the third quarter he had that blitz
Speaker 1: pick up and the play before he carried some guys
Speaker 1: for about twelve yards on a very Zeke like runs.
Speaker 1: I mean, he can do a little bit of everything,
Speaker 1: and I just I don't like the idea of him
Speaker 1: just standing on the sideline waiting for Zeke to need
Speaker 1: a blow, like he's worth getting involved. There are times
Speaker 1: when he runs and I'm like, I'm trying to literally
Speaker 1: see is that Zeke ors at Pollard like And it's
Speaker 1: not that they have the same build or anything like that.
Speaker 1: It's just that those kind of runs that you don't
Speaker 1: expect to see from Pollard, where he's using power. I mean,
Speaker 1: he can do that, he can do somebody. He's gonna
Speaker 1: take somebody's snaps. I mean, I'm kind of ready for
Speaker 1: Randall Cobbs snaps to be kind of transformed over a
Speaker 1: little bit with his All right, let's take a break.
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. We'll come back and Nick will
Speaker 1: tell us about maybe we need to get Randall clock
Speaker 1: Cop off the field in favor of Polot. We'll do
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Speaker 1: cat called him Santa? Pause? Okay, no, I like, damn,
Speaker 1: I was expecting you expecting crickets. Now. I am really
Speaker 1: in a silly mood today, So maybe that's why I'm
Speaker 1: liking it. Bleep deprivation. I'll do that, man. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, it was like that I do something with that.
Speaker 1: We got message like during the game from Lindsay Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she was she just had all kinds of puns
Speaker 1: and I used them all inside the story, I was like,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are for real? And what else was that?
Speaker 1: It was all a kind of stopped kitting around and
Speaker 1: it was good stuff clawing back in it. They let
Speaker 1: the cat out of the bag and they did you
Speaker 1: ever figure out what the other things? I know that
Speaker 1: the lights went out in that stadium, I could have
Speaker 1: sworn there were some other things that have happened. We
Speaker 1: made this ridiculous catch that you know, you know, but
Speaker 1: you should ever make a football catch. Like, hey, a
Speaker 1: guy last night made a kiss. That wasn't far off
Speaker 1: from that. Okay, stop it. It was a nice catch.
Speaker 1: It was a nice catch. It's not gonna be sitting
Speaker 1: in the SP's like Idell's play was like a ten
Speaker 1: out of ten. I mean, Tates was really good, but
Speaker 1: it's like my seven. I'd give him like a six
Speaker 1: and a half. No, that's a seven. That was a
Speaker 1: really nice catch, a great catch, six and a half
Speaker 1: and a seven. Different. It was a fifteen yard catch
Speaker 1: instead of like a fifty two yard good point anyway, Sorry, um,
Speaker 1: Kate's a good Tate's a good player. He is, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean it was you want do you
Speaker 1: want to take him off the field? Give him? I
Speaker 1: said it, I said in the break Randall Cobb is
Speaker 1: very similar to the Cowboys just in general. You're like,
Speaker 1: he's he's good. Yeah, No, he's a good player. He's
Speaker 1: a good player. He's been a good player for a
Speaker 1: long time. He's not very good. God, he's terrible. Like
Speaker 1: you know, you like just up and down, you know,
Speaker 1: good catch, the first fumble, like and not just any fumble,
Speaker 1: but like one of those that popped way up the
Speaker 1: air for catch fumbles. It's like, it just sucks. And
Speaker 1: even even with the fumble, if that touchdown doesn't get
Speaker 1: called back, he's got like seven catches for fifty something
Speaker 1: in a touchdown and you're like, yeah, like we can
Speaker 1: work with that. It's a great throw by Deck. It was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a badass play and like, for
Speaker 1: my money, it was a classic case of Tyrone just
Speaker 1: man handled a guy and the ref called at holding
Speaker 1: because he was like, surely an NFL player can't get
Speaker 1: ragged alled like that, Yeah he can, Yeah, exactly. I
Speaker 1: just I feel for Cobb because he's definitely, you know,
Speaker 1: he's not the Dynamics second round pick that he was.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was the Packers kick returner, he played
Speaker 1: some running back. He was. He was there, playak he
Speaker 1: was there Tony Pollard, except he was way better in
Speaker 1: the younger point of his career, at least at this point.
Speaker 1: I mean, I hear what you're saying. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I actually talked about that on the radio to day.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want like Pollard moving out
Speaker 1: to receiver full time, just because I do think he
Speaker 1: he's such, he's so valuable as a backup running back.
Speaker 1: Like to Derek's point, I think he's the best backup
Speaker 1: running back the Cowboys have had since I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not Julius um um market at least in the
Speaker 1: last four or five six years first round pick to
Speaker 1: get him, that's true. So I don't want him move
Speaker 1: and out of there, but I wouldn't mind giving him
Speaker 1: some of those touches again. I mean you, we were
Speaker 1: joking about it. They gave Cobba, you know, an end
Speaker 1: around last night and he didn't get any yards. Mike, Well,
Speaker 1: there's a guy with a little bit and there's two
Speaker 1: guys with a little bit more juice who could maybe
Speaker 1: take that carry? You actually thought that was a good
Speaker 1: play to put on tape. I do, but you could
Speaker 1: choose somebody. I just like the idea of doing that,
Speaker 1: so that defenses have to account for it. You've never
Speaker 1: handed off when those guys are growing across like then
Speaker 1: nobody respects it, right. I don't care who takes it,
Speaker 1: but I like the idea of doing This team has
Speaker 1: a ton of unrestricted free agents next year, I mean
Speaker 1: star with the quarterback and the wide receiver who at
Speaker 1: this point will be unrestricted unless they do something different.
Speaker 1: But there's some other guys too. Cobb is one of them.
Speaker 1: I just can't see this scenario where Cobb really comes back.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe maybe, but I mean I think that
Speaker 1: would I mean, at the halfway point, I think that
Speaker 1: would surprise me, just when you think about money and
Speaker 1: age and something. Of those defensive linemen though, that's gonna
Speaker 1: be the big one. Yeah. I just I just feel
Speaker 1: for Cobb because he's about, you know, eighteen inches away
Speaker 1: from being like one of the stories of the season.
Speaker 1: Like if six plays go his way, then he's got
Speaker 1: about two hundred more yards and three more touchdowns and
Speaker 1: we're like, damn, that was such a good investment by
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and it just hasn't worked out. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about a couple, and actually just one in particular. I
Speaker 1: really want to get a chance to talk about some
Speaker 1: top players from yesterday. Talk to me about one Sean Lee. Well,
Speaker 1: we're going to do a list on you know what
Speaker 1: we always do on victory Monday, Tuesday, whatever, and of
Speaker 1: the best players, and he's number one. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: say HP player from yesterday. Yeah, they were out with
Speaker 1: one of their young superstars with Layton Vanderesh. He comes
Speaker 1: in and says, don't forget about me, and he would
Speaker 1: have had some really big plays. And I thought he
Speaker 1: he was. I thought he was all over the place,
Speaker 1: and I mean, so was Jalen Smith. But you know,
Speaker 1: just just seeing the old guy do it. And I
Speaker 1: talked to him something after the game and he kind
Speaker 1: of snickering a little bit, like I'm not that old,
Speaker 1: you know me? You know, seriously, I'm not that old. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He said something really interesting though that we're gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna write a story about it later this week or
Speaker 1: maybe tomorrow. Just he's like, I feel like I'm playing
Speaker 1: in high school again. I feel like I'm playing high
Speaker 1: school football. Um, it's just so much fun, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I got these young, energetic players, and I'm this
Speaker 1: old senior guy, senior captain or whatever, and these other
Speaker 1: guys are energizing us both. But it's so much fun.
Speaker 1: Him and Jason Witten out there, and you know, we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about Whitton, but I thought Whitten hadn't had
Speaker 1: a nice game too for what they want him to
Speaker 1: do just turn around, gets the ball, move, get up field.
Speaker 1: It was eight of nine, Dave. I mean, he's the goat.
Speaker 1: He's not supposed to ever drop the ball pretty much.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I mean he had a nice game. I
Speaker 1: was beside myself at the end of the end of
Speaker 1: the half sequence like they played terribly for most of
Speaker 1: the first half. They I mean, they were trying to
Speaker 1: get in position for a fuel goal. And I mean,
Speaker 1: if if they hit on one of those deep throws
Speaker 1: and it's a touchdown, obviously I'm eating crow. But like
Speaker 1: they wait, they waited until third down to just try,
Speaker 1: like just try for the easy ball, make him make
Speaker 1: get it. I just feel like Jason Garrett has this
Speaker 1: like mental block where he's like, whoa, this is mount
Speaker 1: this is Maher's range, So this is all we have
Speaker 1: to worry about. They did it at the end of
Speaker 1: the Washington game, the one that they lost last year.
Speaker 1: I remember going ballistic because like they got to write
Speaker 1: in Maher's range and they're like, cool, we don't need
Speaker 1: to go any further, Let's just kick this thing. I'm like, why, though,
Speaker 1: I don't think he just take more yards to give
Speaker 1: him a better shot. Just throw checkdowns to Witton like
Speaker 1: they did again screen Bay, throw checkdowns to Witten as
Speaker 1: many yards as they'll let you have and make this
Speaker 1: thing easy. Which Maher made the kicks, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: But some of those, some of those decisions baffle me.
Speaker 1: And tell me about a standout player for you if
Speaker 1: you had to give other than Sean, there's a guy
Speaker 1: you wanted to give like standout player award to who
Speaker 1: would it be? Well, real quick, going back to Sean Lee,
Speaker 1: I know there are a lot of people on Twitter
Speaker 1: asking how he's doing, if he got injured or not.
Speaker 1: He was shaking up on that last play. I believe
Speaker 1: it was his arm that got hurt. But from what
Speaker 1: I heard last night, he's fine. It's not nothing. Yeah, serious.
Speaker 1: So that's the part that worries you. Right as good
Speaker 1: as Sean is, it's always going to be in the
Speaker 1: back of your mind. Is he okay? Is he is
Speaker 1: he healthy? Like that's always and at this point his cares.
Speaker 1: It's just going to be a part of it. It
Speaker 1: just is. I was actually gonna say, it's worth remembering,
Speaker 1: like he didn't lose his job because his level of plage.
Speaker 1: He got hurt and the first round pick started playing
Speaker 1: like one and the rest is history. So it should
Speaker 1: necessarily be surprising that given the opportunity to play this
Speaker 1: many snaps, he's pretty good, just if can he sustain
Speaker 1: his good health, which is why when Layton is fully healthy,
Speaker 1: I don't expect Sean Lee to just take back over
Speaker 1: all those snaps because I think they're mindful of that.
Speaker 1: I think they want him fresh. I agree with that,
Speaker 1: but real quick, let me give out a name with you,
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis. He just makes me so happy to feel
Speaker 1: his charisma. Okay, okay, I took a drink. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about. He's married, he's expecting a baby. He's married.
Speaker 1: I think, well, he's expecting a baby, or that's what
Speaker 1: Taylor told me. I don't know, but I hope somebody
Speaker 1: the one is. He's a great guy. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: see him when he makes those kinds of plays, taking
Speaker 1: advantage of it, hopefully making Christian Shar's decision harder when
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown gets ready to get back on the field.
Speaker 1: So that was really excited to see him taking advantage
Speaker 1: of those kinds of opportunities once he end He was
Speaker 1: interesting how they mixed them in Last Night with with
Speaker 1: Anthony and I don't know if that was about injury
Speaker 1: that he was kind of they were kind of mixing
Speaker 1: them back and forth. But I just I love the
Speaker 1: fact that Jordan Lewis just seems to find the ball, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and there is something to that. I'm a big believer
Speaker 1: in that. There's something to guys that just know how
Speaker 1: to be in the vicinity of the ball and make plays,
Speaker 1: you know, And this first he seems to be that
Speaker 1: he ever played. I believe he against the Broncos Week
Speaker 1: two and he gets an interception, and against Houston last year,
Speaker 1: the ball, you know, it wasn't playing much, the ball
Speaker 1: just on the sideline he makes the play orland of course,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean in two games now in that
Speaker 1: stadium he's had an interception in the red zone and
Speaker 1: then that fun you can I don't know, you can
Speaker 1: call me crazy if you want. They are NFL players,
Speaker 1: But I think that's a sneaky, hard play to may
Speaker 1: Like the ball's kind of squirting around like that and
Speaker 1: he's coming in at full speed. It says a lot
Speaker 1: about his ball skills, and we know he has him,
Speaker 1: but it says a lot about his ball skills that
Speaker 1: he can pick that thing up on the sprint like smooth,
Speaker 1: like smooth as hell, like no bobbling, he's not tripping
Speaker 1: over himself, and he's got out of there. There's a
Speaker 1: reason why he was the you know, guy on offense
Speaker 1: for the Jet sweeps last year and the kick returns
Speaker 1: from that stuff. I mean they not that they really
Speaker 1: threw him the ball or anything, but there's there's a
Speaker 1: reason why they They've kind of gotten him doing those
Speaker 1: kind of things. So I haven't seen that play actually
Speaker 1: other than just weird down on the field and I'm
Speaker 1: had to watch it this morning. It like they sacked
Speaker 1: him and it kind of bounced underneath two different guys
Speaker 1: and he could he came in flying like foo when
Speaker 1: like took the ball and just kept going, Yeah, all right,
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