1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: What gives me hope is I know we are prepared 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: to fight for it. That gives me hope We're not 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: gonna let it go. Welcome back to she Pivots, the 4 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: podcast where we talk with women who have dared to 5 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: pivot out of one career and into something new and 6 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: explore how their personal lives impacted these decisions. I'm your host, 7 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: Emily Tish Sussman. When I started she Pivots, it was 8 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: because my own personal pivot had brought me to a 9 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: point in my life where I was questioning if I 10 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: had made the right decision. After working in DC politics 11 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: for over a decade, it was hard to see all 12 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: of my friends and even my staff go on to 13 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: work in the White House. I had felt like I 14 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: had lost myself after being defied by my career for 15 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: so many years. But after talking to countless women who 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: felt the same way, I knew it was time to 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: open up the conversation for women, and so she Pivots 18 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: was born. Partnering with the amazing Marie Claire magazine and 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: interviewing ten incredible women for our premiere season helped me 20 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: redefine what success means to me. Now I'm ready for 21 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: season two, so ready, in fact, that we are preemptively 22 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: releasing a sneak peak of our premiere episode with the 23 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: Vice President, Kamala Harris. Like the imperfectness of many of 24 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: the stories in the show, I find myself drawn back 25 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: to the exact place that I pivoted from, and I 26 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: had the incredible opportunity to speak with the Vice President 27 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: alongside my co moderator, Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan of Minnesota. 28 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: We were able to dive into how she made possibly 29 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: one of the most important pivots in our country. We 30 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: talked about everything from her experiences as the District Attorney 31 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: of San Francisco to what helps her get through each 32 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: day to the essential fight for reproductive rights for women. 33 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: Keep listening for an exclusive look at our conversation and 34 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: subscribe to She Pivots so you don't miss her full 35 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: episode launching in spring of twenty twenty three. And then 36 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: the Dobbs decision came down and I was actually traveling 37 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: out of sight of DC and as as soon as 38 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: it came down, I actually called my husband and I 39 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: just I was in an absolute you know, we knew 40 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: it was going to come because of the leaked decision, 41 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: but it was still unimaginable that it actually happened. You 42 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: know that the highest court in our land, the United 43 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: States Supreme Court, took a constitutional right that had been 44 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 1: recognized from the people of America, from the women of America. 45 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: So much about the progress of our nation when we 46 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: have tracked it has been measured by the expansion of rights, 47 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: And now we are saying an intentional restriction of rights. 48 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: What is that saying about the trajectory and the direction 49 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: of our country. There's so much at stake with this 50 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: seemingly one issue that actually is chock full of issues 51 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: that should concern us. My girls are two and four, 52 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: and I think about them. They were my thought when 53 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: the Dobs decision came out, and I think about the 54 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: fact that they're growing up with fewer rights than what 55 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: I had, with fewer rights than their grandmother had. What 56 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: connects you to bring you into this fight? Well, like you, 57 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: our twenty three year old daughter will have fewer rights 58 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: than my eighty one year old mother in law, and 59 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: they're both acutely aware of this. I understand why it 60 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: is important when we are looking at this issue, because 61 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: you see where the stake has laws that can protect 62 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: individual rights. We would want and hope as patriotic Americans 63 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: that the person who has the power to enforce those 64 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: rights and protect those rights will value and appreciate their responsibility, 65 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: especially for folks in states where they're criminalizing health care providers, doctors, nurses, 66 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: health care providers are being criminalized with laws that are 67 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: being proposed and passed that would literally put a health 68 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: care provider in jail. On this issue, what is going on, 69 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: who is in Congress to your point of federal, state, 70 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: and local really matters. We have to look at it 71 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: in terms of what are we doing to and so 72 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: this is part of how we've been addressing it, is 73 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,799 Speaker 1: to dress it in terms of really deconstructing the issue. 74 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: And again, this is where we have to recognize how 75 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: much is at stake for everyone in our country. I mean, 76 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: don't forget if in the Dodds decision. I read the decision, 77 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: including Clarence Thomas's words. Clarence Thomas said the quiet part 78 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: out loud. He literally said, this opens up the next steps, 79 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: which are to re examine, which means question, which means attack. 80 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, the right to contraception and 81 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: the right to marry the person you love. There was 82 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: a movement that started dominated in Roe v. Wade, like 83 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: you were saying, you know when you're talking about and 84 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: we can talk about our family members, our mothers, grandmothers. 85 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: It is now our responsibility, all of us, to pick 86 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,239 Speaker 1: that movement up and to take it to the next step. 87 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: So can you talk a bit about what gives you hope? 88 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: What gives me hope is our willingness to fight for 89 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: this country that we love. That gives me hope. And 90 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you why there's so much about 91 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: this issue again, all of the layers to this issue, 92 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: which includes that, and it includes then the fact that 93 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: this is about as much as anything, our democracy and 94 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: the state of our democracy. And I think that I 95 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: think of democracy as being there are like two sides 96 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: to it. There's a duality to it. On the one hand, 97 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: when the principles upon which our democracy was founded, freedom, liberty, justice, 98 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: When a democracy is intact, it is extraordinarily strong and 99 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: the power it gives the people. The duality is that 100 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: on the other hand, it is extremely fragile. This democracy, 101 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: it is only as strong as our willingness to fight 102 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: for it. What gives me hope is I know we 103 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: are prepared to fight for it. That gives me hope 104 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: We're not gonna let it go, all right, Madam vice President, 105 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: Madam Lieutenant Governor. This has been i'd say my favorite 106 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: live episode of she Pivots. Thank you so much and 107 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: thank you for having us. Thank you for having its Minnesota. 108 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this special preview of season two 109 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: of She Pivots. Be sure to subscribe and follow so 110 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: you don't miss out on season two, coming to you 111 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: in March of twenty twenty three. To learn more about 112 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: the Vice President and for more inspiring conversations, follow us 113 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: on Instagram at she pivots the podcast. Of course, leave 114 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: a rating and comment if you enjoyed this episode to 115 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: help others learn about it. A special thank you to 116 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: our partner Marie Clair and the team that made this 117 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: episode possible. Talk to you in the spring. She Pivots 118 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: is hosted by me Emily Tish Sussman, produced by Emily 119 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: ed of Voloshik, with sound editing and mixing from Hannah 120 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: Cousins and research and help from Christine Dickinson.