WEBVTT - The FTX Collapse

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>And how the tech are you? So recently I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>in a tech News episode of tech Stuff that cryptocurrency

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<v Speaker 1>exchange f t X was in deep trouble, which honestly

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<v Speaker 1>was putting it lightly, and I mentioned that the founder

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<v Speaker 1>of that exchange, or co founder I should say, a

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Sam Bankman Freed but more commonly referred to

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<v Speaker 1>as s b F was making the rounds, taking responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>for the whole thing. He subsequently resigned as CEO of

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<v Speaker 1>f t X. That happened on Friday, last Friday today,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, being November twenty two. So for those

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<v Speaker 1>of you listening from the future you can you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be referring to that calendar a lot. Anyway, Uh, that catastrophe,

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<v Speaker 1>the f t X catastrophe, is far larger than I

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<v Speaker 1>could cover in a typical tech News segment, so I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I would explain it in greater detail here, so

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<v Speaker 1>much detail, and we'll also talk about the ripple effect

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<v Speaker 1>we're seeing as ft X goes through this existential crisis,

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<v Speaker 1>which I think even that is being generous. I think

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<v Speaker 1>ft X is is just uh seeing the end of

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<v Speaker 1>its days. But first, let's talk about cryptocurrency and exchanges

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<v Speaker 1>in general so that we can understand the foundation of

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on before we get into the details of

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<v Speaker 1>what happened at f t X. So let's think back

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<v Speaker 1>way back to the origin of bitcoin. In two thousand eight,

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<v Speaker 1>someone using the name Satoshi Nakamoto published a white paper

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<v Speaker 1>that was titled Bitcoin, a Peer to Peer Electronic Cash System.

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<v Speaker 1>That white paper laid out the details for Bitcoin's operation.

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<v Speaker 1>That this was going to be a decentralized digital currency,

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<v Speaker 1>that it would have a community of participants who would

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<v Speaker 1>track transactions through a shared ledger that was on top

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<v Speaker 1>of a blockchain. That this community would compete against one

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<v Speaker 1>another to validate blocks of transactions, and the winner would

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<v Speaker 1>take uh some newly minted bitcoin as a reward. That

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<v Speaker 1>the supply of bitcoin itself would be finite, That eventually

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<v Speaker 1>all bitcoin that will ever exist will be on the market,

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<v Speaker 1>and that every couple of years, the number of bitcoins

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<v Speaker 1>that are awarded to the successful system that verifies a

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<v Speaker 1>block of transactions will be cut down by half, that

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<v Speaker 1>the system itself would adjust the difficulty of the verification

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<v Speaker 1>task based on the amount of computational power dedicated to

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<v Speaker 1>solving it. This is called proof of work. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>version of UM cryptocurrency validation and minting that is used

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<v Speaker 1>not exclusively but by a lot of different cryptocurrencies, including bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing that feeds into people making increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>powerful computer systems to attempt to mine bitcoin. But what

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't really laid out was how people were going to

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<v Speaker 1>get bitcoin outside of just mining it. The peer to

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<v Speaker 1>peer nature would allow one bitcoin holder to transfer bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>to someone else via some form of forum such as

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin talk. That was one that Satoshi Nakamoto founded in

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<v Speaker 1>early two thousand nine. Two thousand nine is also when

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin officially launched. The white paper came out a year earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>or early a few months earlier, at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand eight. In January two nine, was when bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>became something that people could actually participate in. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>could use bitcoin in a personal transaction peer to peer,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was really about it. And the peer to

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<v Speaker 1>peer method worked, but it was also risky because there

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<v Speaker 1>was no guarantee that the person with whom you were

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<v Speaker 1>trading was on the up and up, or that whomever

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<v Speaker 1>held the bitcoin would actually transfer the bitcoin at the

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<v Speaker 1>conclusion of the transaction. However, bitcoin at the time was

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<v Speaker 1>also virtually worthless. It would take thousands and thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin to amount to enough money to buy a pizza,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, and it would take a year before bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>was worth even thirty nine cents per single bitcoin. So

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying is that while it was technically risky

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<v Speaker 1>to engage in a peer to peer bitcoin transaction, the

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<v Speaker 1>value of the currency was so low that even a

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<v Speaker 1>bad experience would likely result in the loss of at

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<v Speaker 1>most a few bucks. Now today, a bitcoin is worth

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<v Speaker 1>around sixteen hundred bucks as of the recording of this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>That is, that level of risk is a bit too

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<v Speaker 1>steep for most folks to just trust a peer to

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<v Speaker 1>peer transaction, though those can still happen. But by late

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<v Speaker 1>we started to see the first exchanges. So in exchange

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<v Speaker 1>does what it says on the ten. It's an entity

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<v Speaker 1>that can exchange one form of currency for another. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the first exchanges was Bitcoin Market, and here's how

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<v Speaker 1>it would work. Let's say you wanted some bitcoin, but

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't interested in mining for it. You just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to purchase some You want to exchange some let's say

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<v Speaker 1>U S dollars for the equivalent value in bitcoin. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you could arrange to purchase bitcoin from someone else who

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<v Speaker 1>has it in their own digital wallet to do the

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<v Speaker 1>peer to peer transaction, but again that's risky. The other

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<v Speaker 1>ways you could go with a bitcoin market exchange approach,

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<v Speaker 1>where the bitcoin owner would place the appropriate amount of

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin in escrow and it would sit there in escrow

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<v Speaker 1>until your payment of the equivalent in U S dollars

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever currency you're using cleared and got to the seller.

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<v Speaker 1>Once the seller received the money, the bitcoin would be

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<v Speaker 1>released from scrow to your digital wallet, whether that was

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<v Speaker 1>on the market or your own personal digital wallet. That's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that can be pulled offline if you want,

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<v Speaker 1>and the transaction is concluded. One bit that is important

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<v Speaker 1>to remember cryptocurrency exchanges typically require a transaction fee to

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<v Speaker 1>cover this process. The reason that's important is that there's

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<v Speaker 1>really no incentive to use cryptocurrency for very small transactions

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<v Speaker 1>because you end up paying more in transaction fees than

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<v Speaker 1>you would for whatever the actual purchase was. This would

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<v Speaker 1>be like if you walked into a store and you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to buy some gum and you had a credit card,

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<v Speaker 1>so you buy it. You know, you got a pack

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<v Speaker 1>of gum that's I don't know, a dollar, and you

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<v Speaker 1>want to pay with your credit card, but the merchant

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<v Speaker 1>charges a five dollar minimum for any credit card purchase.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you really want the gun where you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>pay five bucks for a one dollar pack of gum?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, alternatively, I guess you could buy a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of other stuff so that you at least feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting value for your money. But that's the point, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to use a cryptocurrency if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>if the transaction fee amounts to a significant percentage of

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you're purchasing in the first place. Well. Another early

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<v Speaker 1>cryptocurrency exchange that launched was uh Mount Cox. It launched

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<v Speaker 1>in Mount Cox was empty period g o X, and

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<v Speaker 1>that name was actually an initialism for magic. The gathering

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<v Speaker 1>exchange is referencing the the trading card fantasy game. This

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<v Speaker 1>name is one of the most infamous in cryptocurrency history

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<v Speaker 1>because not only did it become the dominant exchange in

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<v Speaker 1>the crypto world, handling something like sevent of all bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>transactions by early but that same year saw Mount Cox

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<v Speaker 1>go under, so like they were on top of the heat,

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<v Speaker 1>and in that same year they went extinct. Is not

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<v Speaker 1>that different from what we're going to talk about with

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<v Speaker 1>ft X, At least the outcome is not that different.

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<v Speaker 1>The actual events that led to it were a little different.

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<v Speaker 1>The exchange, which again was the dominant entity on the

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<v Speaker 1>crypto market, found for bankruptcy and we would learn that

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<v Speaker 1>Mount Cox had been hacked, with assets stolen and hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of millions of dollars worth of bitcoin disappearing from the exchange.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, at the time, the thefts amounted to seven

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the total supply of bitcoin in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when you can when you can look at a

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<v Speaker 1>bank robbery and you can contextualize that as a percentage

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<v Speaker 1>of all the money in the world. That's a big

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<v Speaker 1>bank robbery. And most of the the money that was

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<v Speaker 1>stolen didn't belong to the exchange itself. It belonged to

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<v Speaker 1>customers who were keeping their money on digital wallets that

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<v Speaker 1>were on exchange accounts. Again, not a good look when

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of people lose their money, not through any

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<v Speaker 1>fault of their own but because the exchange that held

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<v Speaker 1>their accounts got hacked. Now, Mount Gox's implosion sent a

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<v Speaker 1>shock way through the bitcoin community and the value of

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<v Speaker 1>the currency dropped more than But despite the massive and

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<v Speaker 1>public collapse of this exchange, cryptocurrency was able to stick

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<v Speaker 1>it out and recovered Alright. So there's a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>to the history of cryptocurrency as well as cryptocurrency exchanges.

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<v Speaker 1>But that really gives us a foundation that we can

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<v Speaker 1>work from. So we're not gonna dive into that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about f t X in particular. Now, that

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<v Speaker 1>story begins with Sam Bankman Freed or SBF. This young

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<v Speaker 1>man had worked for a while on Wall Street, and

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<v Speaker 1>in sen he co founded a company called Alameda Research.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a quantitative trading firm. And that phrase, will

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<v Speaker 1>we have at least some of you say in what now?

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<v Speaker 1>If you didn't say what, you should at least know

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<v Speaker 1>that I did say what when I encountered it, Because

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<v Speaker 1>the world of investment is one that I'm not particularly

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<v Speaker 1>well versed in, but I'll give it a shot. Generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>a quantitative trading firm relies heavily on math, statistics, and probability.

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<v Speaker 1>Estimations to determine where markets are most likely heading, So

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<v Speaker 1>you can sort of think of it as feeding a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of variables into a computer model and then

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<v Speaker 1>projecting out what will happen from there. This, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is predicated on the assumption that financial markets will generally

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<v Speaker 1>behave according to the value of these variables, which is

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<v Speaker 1>an assumption that not everyone agrees with. This quantitative approach

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<v Speaker 1>is heavily disputed in the investment world. I personally think

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<v Speaker 1>it might be somewhat unreliable, but again, I hadn't even

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<v Speaker 1>heard about this approach until today, so you could very

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<v Speaker 1>legitimately argue that this is just my skeptical nature coming out,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know what I'm talking about when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to validity of the theory. Anyway, Alameda Research specialized

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<v Speaker 1>in cryptocurrencies, so the firm would leverage cryptocurrency markets to

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<v Speaker 1>make itself and its clients money. So that could include

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like arbitrage. This is where you attempt to leverage

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<v Speaker 1>a difference in price for something like a commodity or

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<v Speaker 1>some asset and you try to make a profit. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you wanted, like an oversimplified example, let's say you

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<v Speaker 1>know that apples are super cheap near you at the supermarket,

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<v Speaker 1>like you can buy them for super super cheap, but

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<v Speaker 1>you also happen to know that apples are twice as

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<v Speaker 1>expensive across town. So you might buy up a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of cheap apples near you and then go across town

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<v Speaker 1>and sell them for a profit, you know, lower than

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<v Speaker 1>what the local markets are selling, but higher than what

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<v Speaker 1>you paid for them. That kind of thing is what

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<v Speaker 1>arbitrage is about, except you know, with crypto, and in

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<v Speaker 1>much larger amounts than a few apples. So yeah, crypto apples.

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<v Speaker 1>Alimator Research did more than arbitrage deals, however, but we

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<v Speaker 1>can really think of it as a company that relied

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<v Speaker 1>on computer models to make market based decisions related to cryptocurrency.

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<v Speaker 1>Alimator Research is going to play a huge part in

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<v Speaker 1>our story moving forward. So SPF founds Alimator Research. In

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<v Speaker 1>two years later, twenty nineteen, SPF partners with Gary Wong,

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<v Speaker 1>who used to be a Googler. He worked for Google. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They in turn founded the ft X Cryptocurrency Exchange. So

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<v Speaker 1>now they've got a company that is an investment company

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<v Speaker 1>that's entrenched in cryptocurrency and a cryptocurrency exchange, so two

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<v Speaker 1>very closely related entities here they do different things, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's all in the world of crypto now. F d X,

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of cryptocurrency exchanges, had its own exchange token.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a type of cryptocurrency that's created by the

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<v Speaker 1>exchange itself, and it's meant to be used in all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of transactions and as an award and an incentive.

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<v Speaker 1>So exchanges often use these tokens to encourage users to

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<v Speaker 1>cover transaction costs and that kind of thing, or they

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<v Speaker 1>might do it to raise the company's liquidity in the exchange.

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<v Speaker 1>It may also be used to hold a stake in

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<v Speaker 1>the exchange, so users can purchase exchange tokens in order

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<v Speaker 1>to have kind of a seat at the table when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to blockchain governance. This is kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>decentralized approach of crypto, the idea that governance does not

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<v Speaker 1>fall to some centralized entity, but instead is made up

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<v Speaker 1>of the community itself. So by putting a stake in,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a seat. It's kind of like owning stock

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<v Speaker 1>in a company. Right. If you own stock, that gives

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<v Speaker 1>you the right to vote in various um stockholder meetings.

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<v Speaker 1>Throughout the year. So yeah, that's kind of what these

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<v Speaker 1>tokens are used for in general. And the f t

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<v Speaker 1>X exchange token is the f t T And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize, we're getting into alphabet suit territory here, right

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<v Speaker 1>because we've got SPF the guy, the human being who

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<v Speaker 1>co founded this company, and then you've got f t

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<v Speaker 1>X the company, and then f t X meants the

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<v Speaker 1>f t T token. Yeah, you know me, I'm down

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<v Speaker 1>with f t T. Not really, I'm not down with

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<v Speaker 1>f t T at all. F t T is down though. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not done with initialisms. We're going to have more

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<v Speaker 1>before this is done. But you know, this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the way that the crypto community communicates. They do

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<v Speaker 1>it in a lot of like idioms and initialisms and acronyms,

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<v Speaker 1>and it gets to a point where you start to

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if anyone knows what they're talking about, or can

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<v Speaker 1>even you know, explain the content of their sentences. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, it's all Greek to me. Before everything went

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<v Speaker 1>pear shaped, you could buy f t T on f

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<v Speaker 1>t X, but there were also other cryptocurrency exchanges that

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<v Speaker 1>bought and sold f t T, so it was available

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<v Speaker 1>on exchanges across the crypto world, not just f t

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<v Speaker 1>X is and I mentioned ft T because that's also

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<v Speaker 1>going to play a very important part in our story later. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been going for a bit. Let's take a quick break,

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<v Speaker 1>and when we come back, we'll talk more about what

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<v Speaker 1>went down at f t X. All right, So SBF

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<v Speaker 1>and Wong co founded f t X in two thousand nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>One early investor in the company was a rival cryptocurrency exchange,

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<v Speaker 1>the number one cryptocurrency exchange in the world, called Binance.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, the biggest cryptocurrency exchange out there. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>story is going to unfold a little bit like a

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<v Speaker 1>superhero and their arch nemesis kind of both coming of

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<v Speaker 1>age at the same time. You know, they start off

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<v Speaker 1>as friends, the old Clark Kent and Lex Luthor or

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<v Speaker 1>buddies at first, but then things take a turn and

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<v Speaker 1>one of them wants to see the end of the other.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got your supervillain. So if ft X is our superhero,

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<v Speaker 1>Binance is our supervillain, or if we want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about founders, SBF is our superhero. And Chong Peng Zhao

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<v Speaker 1>also known as c Z because again more initialisms, is

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<v Speaker 1>our supervillain, and spoiler alert, and this superhero story, the

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<v Speaker 1>bad guy wins. Now, for the record, I actually don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to cast Binance or c Z as the villain,

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<v Speaker 1>partly because the more we learn about fd X and SBF,

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<v Speaker 1>the less heroic those seem as well. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is more of a story of a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>supervillains working against each other in a way. Alright, So

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<v Speaker 1>Finance puts in a significant investment into this young f

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<v Speaker 1>t X cryptocurrency exchange company. Two years later in fd

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<v Speaker 1>X is ready to pay back Binances investment. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole point of an investment is to get a return.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is ft X saying, okay, we've made our money.

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<v Speaker 1>We're paying you off. Here's what you gave us plus more.

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<v Speaker 1>Finance was essentially cashing out and ft X paid Binance

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<v Speaker 1>in ft T. Again, that's the exchange currency for f

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<v Speaker 1>t X, right we talked about just a minute ago.

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<v Speaker 1>So in all, Finance received twenty three million f t

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<v Speaker 1>T tokens and it had a value around that time

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<v Speaker 1>of five nine million dollars. So Binance has a big

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<v Speaker 1>old stash of FTT sitting in the exchange in June,

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<v Speaker 1>f d X holds a round of funding that accumulates

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<v Speaker 1>nearly one billion dollars in investments. That's billion with a B.

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<v Speaker 1>The company's value is projected at eighteen billion bucks. Not

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<v Speaker 1>bad to go from being founded in twenty nineteen two

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<v Speaker 1>hitting nearly twenty billion dollars in value in just two years.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. But hold onto your proverbial hats because we're

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<v Speaker 1>about to get crazier. In fact, hold onto your hats

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<v Speaker 1>and since your socks tight, because I'm gonna knock both

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<v Speaker 1>of them off if you're not careful. So in October

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty one, just a few months after being

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<v Speaker 1>valued at eighteen billion dollars, f t X went up

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<v Speaker 1>to being valued at twenty five billion dollars, a boost

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<v Speaker 1>of seven billion dollars in just a few months, and

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<v Speaker 1>f t X was leveraging this valuation to raise even

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<v Speaker 1>more money from investors. That's one of the reasons why

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<v Speaker 1>you want to tout your valuation, as you're telling investors, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>look at how quickly we are growing. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>get in on this, so pour your money into it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you might wonder, well, what is f t X

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<v Speaker 1>doing with all the money it's making, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously a lot of it's going into the

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<v Speaker 1>operation of the exchange itself. But f t X was

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<v Speaker 1>getting so much cash, so what was it doing with it? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing he was doing was promoting f t X

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<v Speaker 1>in various extravagant ways. For example, in September one, ft

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<v Speaker 1>X signed a sponsorship deal with a Formula One racing team,

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<v Speaker 1>so they started putting the logo on the cars. And

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<v Speaker 1>in April one, ft X signed a sponsorship deal with

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<v Speaker 1>the home arena for the Miami Heat basketball team, calling

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<v Speaker 1>it the f t X Arena. And this was a

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen year deal to have that naming rights. But f

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<v Speaker 1>t X wouldn't last nineteen years. And if I remember

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<v Speaker 1>to come back to this, I'll give you an update

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<v Speaker 1>on what's going on at the home of the Miami

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<v Speaker 1>Heat and also that Formula one team spoiler alert. I

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<v Speaker 1>will remember because I know I wrote it down. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>f t X is operating as a cryptocurrency exchange and

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<v Speaker 1>becomes the second largest crypto exchange, only behind Binance. So

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<v Speaker 1>Binance helped f t X get started, and now f

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<v Speaker 1>t X is number two behind Finances number one and

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<v Speaker 1>SPF started to make some really big moves, some of

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<v Speaker 1>which would sour his relationship with Binance and its CEO

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<v Speaker 1>c z you know, Chong Pang Zhao. Alright, so first

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about SPFS moves to help companies that were

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<v Speaker 1>affected by the collapse of cryptos value. Now, I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure in a recent news episode I talked about cryptos

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<v Speaker 1>value crashing a couple of years ago. But that was

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<v Speaker 1>my brain misfiring, Like it hit me later that day

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<v Speaker 1>that I said something that was wrong, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>I said, you know, a couple of years ago when

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin was worth sixty dollars. That wasn't a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. That was this year. That crash actually happened

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<v Speaker 1>earlier this year, in the spring of this year. It

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<v Speaker 1>just feels to me like this year has lasted five years,

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<v Speaker 1>which I guess I could say about the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years have felt that way. But anyway, so this

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<v Speaker 1>past spring, and again that's the Spring of two for

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<v Speaker 1>any of you listening from the future, we saw crypto

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<v Speaker 1>values in sharp decline. In a May two article titled

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<v Speaker 1>Cryptocurrencies melt down in a perfect storm of fear and panic,

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<v Speaker 1>The New York Times reporter team spelled it all out,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. So towards the beginning of the Panto back

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<v Speaker 1>back in, there was a spike in cryptocurrency adoption. This

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<v Speaker 1>increase in demand caused cryptocurrency values to increase. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the more people want something, the more expensive it gets.

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<v Speaker 1>And these included not just your regular old folks dipping

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<v Speaker 1>their toes into doge coin or whatever. You had these

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<v Speaker 1>massive financial companies, including banks and hedge funds that were

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<v Speaker 1>purchasing large amounts of cryptocurrency and a bet that those

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<v Speaker 1>coins would continue to increase in value to the moon.

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<v Speaker 1>As the crypto bros would say. Um side note, crypto

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<v Speaker 1>bro is a pretty common, somewhat dismissive term for cryptocurrency enthusiasts,

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<v Speaker 1>but obviously anyone of any gender can be interested in crypto,

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<v Speaker 1>so crypto bro, as far as I'm concerned, should be

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<v Speaker 1>considered a non gendered term. But whether you agree with

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<v Speaker 1>that or not, it is the term that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of folks use, all right. So the value for cryptocurrencies

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<v Speaker 1>in general goes up and up. Bitcoin reached a peak

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<v Speaker 1>of around sixty grand for a single unit of bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>In turn, the rising value of cryptocurrencies had lots of

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<v Speaker 1>other consequences. Proof of work cryptocurrencies like bitcoin, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>those are the ones that require participants to dedicate enormous

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<v Speaker 1>amounts of compute power to have even a hope of

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<v Speaker 1>mining a block of transactions. Well, that meant that collectively,

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<v Speaker 1>people were spending the same amount of electricity just to

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<v Speaker 1>mind cryptocurrency as certain countries would use in an entire year.

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<v Speaker 1>That in turn has an impact not just on electrical grids,

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<v Speaker 1>but on carbon dioxide emissions. So for any coal powered

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<v Speaker 1>power plants out there, I mean that increased demand just

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<v Speaker 1>meant we were dumping more CEO two in the atmosphere

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<v Speaker 1>because people wanted to mine Bitcoin. Then, for less valuable

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<v Speaker 1>cryptocurrencies like Ether, a lot of the miners were scooping

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<v Speaker 1>up powerful graphics cards like Bitcoin at this point had

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<v Speaker 1>graduated well beyond graphics cards. You could have the best

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<v Speaker 1>graphics cards on the market and not even make a

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<v Speaker 1>dent in the sophisticated bitcoin mining systems out there. But

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<v Speaker 1>for stuff like either where it wouldn't make financial sense

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<v Speaker 1>to go so hard on your mining rig. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>GPUs were a big asset, and it made it very

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<v Speaker 1>hard for anyone else to get hold of those graphics

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<v Speaker 1>processing cards, which really irritated a lot of gamers. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>this trend could not continue indefinitely, and eventually values began

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<v Speaker 1>to dip a bit. Now there were a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>external forces that would have a big impact as well.

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<v Speaker 1>The world began to enter into economic uncertainty. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I still can't say recession. Um. You started to have

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<v Speaker 1>issues with inflation, you had interest rates going up, investments

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like crypto started to look increasingly risky. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Russia invaded Ukraine, which may economic uncertainty even worse,

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<v Speaker 1>and that led to some folks pulling out of the

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<v Speaker 1>crypto market. So they were selling off their crypto so

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<v Speaker 1>that they could walk away with a nice little profit,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the value would dip a bit. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>had folks getting nervous, So some folks began to sell

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<v Speaker 1>off their's because they're like, well, it's starting to go

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<v Speaker 1>down and I don't want to be left holding the bag,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm getting out too. Now, arguably these cryptocurrencies were overvalued,

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<v Speaker 1>so there was a need for a market correction. But

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<v Speaker 1>this actually became a casscade because more and more folks

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<v Speaker 1>began to try and claw back their money, and crypto

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<v Speaker 1>in general saw a really tough decline that meant that

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<v Speaker 1>some companies in crypto got into financial difficulty. They had

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<v Speaker 1>extended deeply into the crypto market. The crypto market drops

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<v Speaker 1>out from under them and they are drowning and in sweeps. SBF,

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<v Speaker 1>who may or may not be a superhero or supervillain

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<v Speaker 1>now SPF really believed in his vision of crypto, and

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<v Speaker 1>he has an altruistic streak, a sile wide. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>he genuinely has talked a big talk and put a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money towards philanthropy. But for crypto to succeed,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he felt we really needed these various crypto

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<v Speaker 1>companies to stick around or else all confidence is going

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<v Speaker 1>to go out of crypto and the whole thing dies.

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<v Speaker 1>So rather than let these companies go out of business

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<v Speaker 1>while companies like Alameda, ft X and Binance may or

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<v Speaker 1>may not be able to weather the storm, he directed

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<v Speaker 1>his companies, which he owned like seventy of them, to

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<v Speaker 1>acquire and bail out some of the smaller crypto companies

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<v Speaker 1>that were in trouble. For example, this past July July

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand twenty two, ft X signed a deal

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<v Speaker 1>with a company called Block five, which was a crypto

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<v Speaker 1>lender company. That deal had an option to buy Block

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<v Speaker 1>five at reportedly around two hundred forty million dollars, but

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<v Speaker 1>the actual deal involved providing a four hundred million dollar

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<v Speaker 1>credit facility for Block five to use. We'll get back

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<v Speaker 1>to that at the end of this episode. Later in July,

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<v Speaker 1>f t X reached out to a different crypto lender,

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<v Speaker 1>one that was in the throes of bankruptcy, so this

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<v Speaker 1>one wasn't just teetering it was in chapter eleven. This

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<v Speaker 1>one was called Voyager Digital, so the offer was for

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<v Speaker 1>a partial bailout. The Voyager Digital dismissed the offer as

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<v Speaker 1>a low ball bid, but the bankruptcy proceedings continued, and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually Voyager Digital essentially went up on the auction block

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<v Speaker 1>and f t X ended up winning the auction, so

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<v Speaker 1>it outbid all other competitors and f t X was

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<v Speaker 1>expected to bring Voyager Digital out of bankruptcy, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to happen. Spoiler alert. F t X started

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<v Speaker 1>to run into trouble later in the summer of two

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<v Speaker 1>for one thing, UH the f d i C a

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<v Speaker 1>U S Bank regulator issued a stern warning to ft X,

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<v Speaker 1>claiming the company had made misleading statements regarding whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>funds were ensured by the US government. Specific the f

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<v Speaker 1>d i C called out a tweet by Brett Harrison,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a leader at f t X. The f

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<v Speaker 1>d i C argued that Harrison's tweet made it sound

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<v Speaker 1>like customers who held funds at f t X and

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 1>who were purchasing stocks through f t X had the

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<v Speaker 1>benefit of those transactions being f d I C ensured,

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<v Speaker 1>which was not the case. Harrison would subsequently delete the tweet,

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<v Speaker 1>and folks assume that the whole thing was a poorly

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<v Speaker 1>worded message in the first place that was intended to

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<v Speaker 1>reassure people that crypto really isn't as risky as some

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>folks were saying. Keep in mind, this is happening in

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<v Speaker 1>the wake of the crypto market decline that began back

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<v Speaker 1>in the spring. Then we get to early November. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>for those listening from the future, I'm recording and publishing

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<v Speaker 1>this in mid November two. So everything I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about next happened in the last two weeks, and

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of things happened in rapid succession. On

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<v Speaker 1>November two, the crypto news site coin Desk posted an

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<v Speaker 1>article about Elite balance sheet regarding Alimator Research, and the

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<v Speaker 1>implications were troubling, to say the least. According to the

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>balance sheet, Alimator Research was taking assets from ft X,

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 1>the cryptocurrency exchange, and then using those assets to fund

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 1>trades that Alimator Research was was making Those f t

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 1>X assets belonged to f t X customers, So one

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 1>of sbfs companies was essentially dipping into one of his

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 1>other companies in order to fund trades. And moreover, it

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<v Speaker 1>was doing this without the consent of f t X customers. Okay,

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:44.560
<v Speaker 1>that's a lot to take in, but we've got so

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<v Speaker 1>much more. We're going to take another break, and when

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<v Speaker 1>we come back, I'm going to talk about some of

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<v Speaker 1>the really crazy stuff that's happened in the last two weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>But first let's take a break. Okay, So Alimator Research

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<v Speaker 1>is taking ft X money, which is provided by f

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 1>t x is customers who are part of this cryptocurrency exchange.

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 1>It's taking money out of those accounts in order to

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<v Speaker 1>fund investments. You might be thinking that doesn't sound like

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 1>it should be legal, and in most places it's not.

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 1>US securities law requires that companies be very transparent about

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:30.960
<v Speaker 1>this sort of thing, and that they secure the consent

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 1>of customers before doing anything like this with those customers funds.

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>This practice actually even goes against f t x is

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 1>own terms of service, So even if it weren't illegal,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be against the company's own policy. And yet,

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<v Speaker 1>according to this leaked document, this is what was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>The balance sheet showed the Alimator Research had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of assets in f t t that's that exchange coin

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 1>that's used by f t X. Now by itself, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not immediately a problem necessarily, but it brings up some

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 1>red flags because if your investment firms assets are made

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<v Speaker 1>up mostly of a cryptocurrency that you also happen to

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 1>have invented, it begins to sound a little bit like

0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 1>you're printing up your own money and you're trying to

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>live like Emperor Norton of San Francisco. If you don't

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 1>know who Emperor Norton was, look him up. Because it's

0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 1>a crazy story that's genuinely entertaining. There's some tragedy there there,

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's got a lot of quirky fun stuff

0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 1>in it. You should look that up anyway. The biggest

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>asset held by Alameda Research was a whopping three point

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 1>six six billion dollars worth of quote unquote unlocked f

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:54.240
<v Speaker 1>t T. Third place, the third biggest asset was another

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 1>two point one six billion dollars of f t T collateral.

0:32:00.160 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 1>And then much further down you had another two million

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 1>dollars of locked f t T. And this got a

0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of folks saying, huh, it kind of looks like

0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 1>you're robbing Peter to pay Paul that Alimator Research. This,

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:21.560
<v Speaker 1>this quantitative investment firm, was leaning heavily on the funds

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>within f t X, a cryptocurrency exchange, in order to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for investments. Now, if this balance sheet had not

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 1>been leaked, and f t X customers remained unaware that

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>their money was being used to fuel Alimator Research, maybe

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 1>everything would have remained more or less stable, or at

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:45.640
<v Speaker 1>least not obviously unstable. Maybe f t X would still

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:50.479
<v Speaker 1>be operating just fine today. But Coin Desks report changed

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>all of that. For one thing, it showed that Alimated

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<v Speaker 1>Research had billions of dollars of debt. So that is

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 1>a big risk if this organization is in debt to

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<v Speaker 1>the tune of around eight billion dollars, and if it's

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 1>dependent upon funds from a totally different company, that other

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 1>company as at risk too. So a few days later,

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<v Speaker 1>on November six, Binances CEO ol c z Chong peng

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Zhao said his company would liquidate their FTT holdings. Now

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 1>do you remember those because Binance was an early investor

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 1>into f t X. Then fd X paid off Binances

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>investment with twenty three million f t T s. Well,

0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:42.040
<v Speaker 1>now Binance was saying, yeah, we're gonna cash those out.

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 1>We would like to cash out our ft T holdings

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 1>for you know some other form of currency. Well, if

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<v Speaker 1>you flood a market with any asset, you typically see

0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 1>that assets value drop. Right in the example I gave

0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 1>early on, if you were to buy a bunch of

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 1>cheap apples and you were going across town and selling

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>your cheap apples at a profit, eventually you had flood

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 1>the market on the other side of town with apples,

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 1>and they wouldn't be valuable anymore, right they would, they

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:14.359
<v Speaker 1>would the prices would be closer to evening out. So

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 1>you flood the market, the value drops. Well, finance dropping

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>all of its f t T was about to flood

0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 1>the exchange with f t T tokens. So then you

0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>had all these other people who owned f t T

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>tokens and they said, well, I don't want to be

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:30.360
<v Speaker 1>left holding the bag. I don't want my f t

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:35.320
<v Speaker 1>T tokens to be valueless. I'm going to cash out too. Well, now,

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:39.239
<v Speaker 1>f t X was in a bind because it had

0:34:39.280 --> 0:34:43.440
<v Speaker 1>been apparently funneling money over to Alimta Research, and it

0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 1>didn't have enough cash to cover all the requests as

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:50.800
<v Speaker 1>people were trying to cash out. It was a liquidity crisis,

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 1>and f t X didn't have enough to cover all

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 1>of these requests. So the company ends up being in

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 1>serious trouble. Like if people here, hey, there's not enough

0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 1>money in the bank to cover everyone, then there's often

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 1>a run on the bank. That's exactly what happened. There

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:09.120
<v Speaker 1>was a run on the bank, except in this case,

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.760
<v Speaker 1>the bank is a cryptocurrency exchange. Now, before I explain

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 1>what happened next, I need to talk a little bit

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 1>about CZ and his ongoing feud with SBF. Yes, it's

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:24.239
<v Speaker 1>the War of the initials. Now, as we learned, CZ's

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 1>company was one of the earliest investors in SPFS company.

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 1>So what the heck happened to turn these two collaborators

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 1>into bitter rivals. Well, no one has really documented the

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:38.760
<v Speaker 1>whole thing, but my guess is one really big reason

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 1>comes down to the concept of government regulation. See, governments

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>around the world have been debating on how or if

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 1>to regulate the crypto market, and of course, the crypto

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:51.880
<v Speaker 1>market was set up in a large part as a

0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:57.800
<v Speaker 1>way to sidestep stuff like government regulation. SPF testified before

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:02.200
<v Speaker 1>US Congress about do and even worked with them to

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of draft recommendations for regulations that would end up

0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:10.439
<v Speaker 1>affecting the crypto industry, and c Z just wasn't having

0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:14.839
<v Speaker 1>any of that. C Z definitely does not want regulation

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:18.479
<v Speaker 1>entering into the conversation at all. It's a four letter

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 1>word in his mind. Now, you could argue that SBF

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>saw that regulations are on the horizon and that by

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:30.359
<v Speaker 1>becoming part of the conversation he could help draft regulations

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 1>that would have a relatively light touch on the crypto market,

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 1>so he could kind of steer the government's approach to crypto.

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 1>But his involvement in even talking about regulations made him

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 1>persona non grata to folks like c Z who just

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to even entertain the thought of it, whether

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, somewhat favorable to crypto or not. Now,

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 1>did c Z see an opportunity to go for SPF's

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 1>jugular by selling off to any three million f T

0:37:01.719 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 1>T tokens and tanking and overextended cryptocurrency exchange? Moreover, it's

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:11.919
<v Speaker 1>a cryptocurrency exchange that is second only to his own, right,

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 1>It's it's one that's run by a guy who's working

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:19.840
<v Speaker 1>to draft crypto regulations with the US government. So you

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:21.920
<v Speaker 1>could say that c Z has a whole bunch of

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>access to grind against s BF. Like, you've got the

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:30.000
<v Speaker 1>number two cryptocurrency exchange out there, so it's the biggest competitor.

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 1>You've got this whole potential regulations thing looming on the horizon. Uh,

0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, all these sort of ideas. But according to

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:42.360
<v Speaker 1>c Z, none of that even factored into his decision.

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.680
<v Speaker 1>He said that Finance was divesting itself of f T

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:50.719
<v Speaker 1>T tokens because of quote unquote recent revelations, which he

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:53.279
<v Speaker 1>did not elaborate upon, but folks took it to mean

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:57.040
<v Speaker 1>that balance sheet stuff that leaked on coin desk. Now,

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I get the feeling some of this decision may have

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:04.640
<v Speaker 1>in fact been personal and not just business. But again,

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 1>that's just my opinion. I don't have anything to back

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 1>that up apart from you know, various tweet streams that

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 1>came out, so you can't really call that evidence. It's

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 1>just the feeling I get. Anyway, whatever the motivation was,

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.760
<v Speaker 1>finances move of selling off this f t t directly

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:28.520
<v Speaker 1>led to a financial crisis for f t X, the

0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 1>cryptocurrency exchange. And then two days later, because I told

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 1>you this stuff moved so fast, c Z and Finance

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 1>announced an intent to acquire f t X. So now

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:44.239
<v Speaker 1>the number one cryptocurrency exchange says it's gonna buy the

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:48.440
<v Speaker 1>number two cryptocurrency exchange because the number two one is

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 1>in trouble. The following day, so at this point we're

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:59.000
<v Speaker 1>at November nine, c Z says, yeah, no thanks, I'm

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 1>good and backed away from the deal. And that was,

0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, legally fined because the two entities had not

0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 1>entered into any sort of binding agreement. So Binance said

0:39:10.160 --> 0:39:12.200
<v Speaker 1>it was going to acquire fd X and the next

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:14.680
<v Speaker 1>day said you know what, no, we're not, and they

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 1>walked away and things got even uglier at f t X,

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 1>and some wonder if that was in fact the point,

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:26.040
<v Speaker 1>like if Finance ever actually intended to acquire f t X,

0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:28.520
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know the answer to that either. So

0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:33.320
<v Speaker 1>f t X halted withdrawals on November ten, so people

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:36.800
<v Speaker 1>could not take their money out of f t X

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:40.440
<v Speaker 1>starting November ten. They also stopped accepting new clients so

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't let anyone else get a get an account

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 1>with the exchange, and SPF indicated he was seeking alternative

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:51.360
<v Speaker 1>saviors now that Binance had bailed out of the bailout,

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:55.920
<v Speaker 1>so SPF needed more than nine billion dollars to stop

0:39:55.960 --> 0:40:00.719
<v Speaker 1>f t X from collapsing, along with Alimta Research. He

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:04.239
<v Speaker 1>did not get his nine billion dollars. He reached out

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 1>to coin base CEO Brian Armstrong among others, and no

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:14.000
<v Speaker 1>lifelines were thrown. So on November eleven, which was last Friday,

0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 1>f t X entered into Chapter eleven bankruptcy proceedings here

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:23.160
<v Speaker 1>in the United States. SBF also stepped down as CEO.

0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:25.680
<v Speaker 1>He was replaced by do you know what? You just

0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:28.680
<v Speaker 1>can't make this stuff up? He was replaced by John

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Jay Ray the third This guy was the lawyer who

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 1>was brought in to oversee the liquidation of the Enron

0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Corporation in the wake of that company's scandalous self destruction.

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 1>So if I ever do a podcast series about businesses,

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:49.080
<v Speaker 1>going to put kind of like business on the BRAINK

0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:51.719
<v Speaker 1>if I ever did that again, I could spend a

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:56.600
<v Speaker 1>full season just covering what happened at Enron. Anyway, I

0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 1>just think it's safe to say that John J. Ray

0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 1>the third is an expert at dismantling companies that have

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:06.600
<v Speaker 1>collapsed in on themselves. But wait, it gets worse. So

0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:10.680
<v Speaker 1>on November twelve, Reuters issued a report saying that f

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:14.239
<v Speaker 1>t X was missing money, a lot of money. So

0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about around a billion dollars of customer funds

0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:21.160
<v Speaker 1>missing from ft X, maybe as much as two billion,

0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:24.840
<v Speaker 1>with certainly prompts a question, which is, where the hell

0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:29.640
<v Speaker 1>is my money? I'm assuming people who had accounts were

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 1>saying that I don't have an account with them, so

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 1>but I could just that's what I would be saying

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>if I did, I'll move. On that same day, f

0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 1>t X moved customer funds into offline wallets a k

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:45.600
<v Speaker 1>A cold storage, meaning that there's no way for customers

0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:49.080
<v Speaker 1>to access those funds. They are disconnected from the exchange,

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.960
<v Speaker 1>but it also means that nothing else happening at the

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:55.919
<v Speaker 1>exchange can pull money from those digital wallets. And ft

0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 1>X then announced that there had been a string of

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:03.319
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote unauthorized transactions and that these had drained fd

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 1>X funds. You might wonder, well, how much money was taken,

0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:09.279
<v Speaker 1>and that depends upon whom you believe. On the low end,

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 1>we're looking at around four hundred seventy three million dollars

0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 1>that were drained or stolen. It could be as much

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:21.799
<v Speaker 1>as six hundred fifty million or maybe even more. That's

0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 1>a huge range right at. F t X definitely did

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 1>not need this on top of everything else. It really

0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 1>is kind of like beating a dead horse, and it

0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 1>might even be worse because one fd X admin allegedly

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:37.279
<v Speaker 1>posted to the company's Telegram accounts saying quote f t

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 1>X has been hacked. All funds seem to be gone

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 1>end quote yikes. Immediately there were folks online speculating that

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:51.359
<v Speaker 1>perhaps someone within f t X, maybe SPF or one

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:56.320
<v Speaker 1>of the ten people that cohabitate with him in the Bahamas,

0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:59.000
<v Speaker 1>had done this, had siphoned off the cash and they

0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 1>were trying to make a quick getaway, but there have

0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:04.839
<v Speaker 1>been no reports to suggest that's actually what is going on.

0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Investigations are ramping up. In fact, a few investigations began

0:43:09.120 --> 0:43:12.880
<v Speaker 1>before f t X even announced the theft. For example,

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:16.399
<v Speaker 1>so you have the Royal Bahamas Police Force. That's one

0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:19.719
<v Speaker 1>entity engaged in investigating ft X. You might wonder, well,

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:23.360
<v Speaker 1>why the Royal Bahamas Police Force, And again it's because

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 1>last year ft X relocated it's HQ to the Bahamas UM.

0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 1>These crypto exchanges frequently choose offshore locations to avoid stuff

0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:35.880
<v Speaker 1>like those pesky government regulations we keep mentioning. Anyway, the

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:38.520
<v Speaker 1>Bahamas Police have stated that they're looking into f t

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:41.440
<v Speaker 1>X for any signs of criminal activity in the wake

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 1>of this collapse. Then the Wall Street Journal reports that

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 1>the US Department of Justice, as well as the US

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:55.600
<v Speaker 1>Securities Exchange Commission or SEC, are also investigating f t X.

0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 1>And in fact, these investigations started before we learned about

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 1>the theft. Okay, so investigations are ramping up. We'll probably

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 1>learn more about what was going on and potentially who

0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:10.480
<v Speaker 1>was responsible. But let's also talk about some of the

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 1>other effects this fallout has had beyond f t X

0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:18.320
<v Speaker 1>going into bankruptcy. So just a few months ago, SBF,

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:22.040
<v Speaker 1>the co founder, had a personal worth of around twenty

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:27.840
<v Speaker 1>six billion dollars billion with a b billionaire. Now, at

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:30.680
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the f t X debacle, that value

0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:34.080
<v Speaker 1>had plunged by more than nine billion dollars. To lose

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:37.279
<v Speaker 1>nine billion dollars instantly is that's got to be a

0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:40.880
<v Speaker 1>heck of a thing. But obviously things just kept getting worse.

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:44.520
<v Speaker 1>So toward the middle of last week, SBF was said

0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 1>to have lost ninety four percent of his wealth. Now,

0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 1>remember he had seventy ownership of his companies of f

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:55.799
<v Speaker 1>t X and Alimated Research, so a lot of his

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:59.320
<v Speaker 1>wealth was actually tied up into the value of those companies.

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:02.040
<v Speaker 1>It's not like he had a Scrooge McDuck style vault

0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 1>filled with cash. So with those companies imploding, his wealth

0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:09.279
<v Speaker 1>went up in smoke. And this is where we remember

0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 1>that wealth and money are two different things. I'm not

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:17.719
<v Speaker 1>sure how SPF is doing now, but on paper, he

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 1>essentially went from being a billionaire to being broke in

0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 1>just a couple of weeks. I don't know if I

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:27.000
<v Speaker 1>could manage that, but I'm willing to give it a try.

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Someone just has to give me a few billion dollars first,

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.200
<v Speaker 1>any takers. And yeah, I'm being a little flippant, but

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:38.319
<v Speaker 1>we should also remember SPF Diden genuinely want to help others,

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:40.440
<v Speaker 1>or at least he said he did. So let's talk

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:42.560
<v Speaker 1>about some of the companies that f t X moved

0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 1>to bail out before ft X had its own crisis.

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:49.719
<v Speaker 1>There was Block five, which has recently announced it has

0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:53.560
<v Speaker 1>ceased business as normal. It has cited a lack of

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.120
<v Speaker 1>clarity regarding the situation at f t X as the

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:59.480
<v Speaker 1>reason to put a freeze on withdrawals. In addition, the

0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:02.080
<v Speaker 1>company had wise customers not to put more money into

0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:04.879
<v Speaker 1>their digital wallets connected to the company's accounts, So that's

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 1>a big old ouch. Voyager Digital, the company that f

0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:11.640
<v Speaker 1>t X purchased at auction, is looking for a new

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:15.800
<v Speaker 1>buyer to bail out the bankrupt broker and lending company.

0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:18.800
<v Speaker 1>So the life preserver that f t X through to

0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Voyager Digital has transformed into an anchor, so they're back

0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:27.840
<v Speaker 1>at square one. The cryptocurrency called Solana is in free

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 1>fall at the moment. Salona has connections to SPF, as

0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 1>it is the native token to the Salona blockchain, which

0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 1>in turn has ties to another SPF project called Serum.

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 1>So arguably because of SPF's association, Serum is in trouble

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:47.120
<v Speaker 1>and so Lana's value is plummeting by association. The Miami

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:50.720
<v Speaker 1>Heat Arena has now removed the f t X arena

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:52.959
<v Speaker 1>name and said it will search for a new name

0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:56.200
<v Speaker 1>sponsor that we're still seventeen and a half years left

0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:58.680
<v Speaker 1>on the previous deal, but the arena had only received

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:02.280
<v Speaker 1>a small amount of the hundred thirty five million bucks

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:04.799
<v Speaker 1>that were said to be part of that deal, so

0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:08.720
<v Speaker 1>they're done now. Uh. The F one racing team owned

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.719
<v Speaker 1>by Mercedes that f t X had sponsored, has similarly

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:15.680
<v Speaker 1>removed at the ft X logo from their vehicles. Last week,

0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:18.880
<v Speaker 1>f t X is philanthropic organization, the f t X

0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Foundation and it's f t X Future Fund projects saw

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:26.319
<v Speaker 1>a mass resignation as the entire staff quit due to

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:30.560
<v Speaker 1>having quote fundamental questions about the legitimacy and integrity of

0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:32.960
<v Speaker 1>the business operations that we're funding. The f t X

0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Foundation and the future fund end quote. The organization had

0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:40.360
<v Speaker 1>previously committed to awarding more than a hundred fifty million

0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:44.719
<v Speaker 1>dollars in grants. And you know, it's rare that I

0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:46.920
<v Speaker 1>do this these days, because I don't tend to have

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:50.000
<v Speaker 1>episodes last quite this long. But we're gonna take one

0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 1>more break, and I'm going to talk a bit about

0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:56.239
<v Speaker 1>some of the other lasting effects that f t x

0:47:56.360 --> 0:48:01.000
<v Speaker 1>is destruction has had and will continue to have on

0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:13.560
<v Speaker 1>the crypto world. But first, let's take one more break. Okay,

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:16.880
<v Speaker 1>thanks for sticking around. We are in the home stretch.

0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:21.360
<v Speaker 1>But man, just the the implications of this are so huge,

0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 1>and so many different companies and organizations have been affected.

0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:27.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, we've already talked about the companies that f

0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:30.359
<v Speaker 1>t X was trying to bail out and how now

0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:33.080
<v Speaker 1>they're in as bad or if not worse place than

0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 1>they were before that happened. H f t X, obviously

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:41.719
<v Speaker 1>an alimated research, are both totally crumbling. SPF is on

0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:45.680
<v Speaker 1>the bricks. He's been kicked out or really he resigned

0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:49.680
<v Speaker 1>after saying that he uh done messed up, but he

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:54.800
<v Speaker 1>used more colorful metaphors in his language. But the fallout

0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 1>has also raised concerns that these crypto exchanges lack proper governance.

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:03.400
<v Speaker 1>So the concern is that they're being run by people

0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:08.200
<v Speaker 1>who might be engineers, they might be investors, but they

0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:12.319
<v Speaker 1>aren't people who necessarily have a deep amount of experience

0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:17.319
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to running giant financial companies. And when

0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:19.520
<v Speaker 1>they're on the small scale, it might be manageable, but

0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:22.040
<v Speaker 1>as they get bigger and bigger, that becomes more difficult

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to do. And typically these giant financial institutions have a

0:49:27.040 --> 0:49:30.719
<v Speaker 1>board of directors that pulls from a really diverse group. Uh,

0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:35.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe not racially diverse, as it turns out the finance

0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:41.399
<v Speaker 1>world is overwhelmingly staffed with white men, but it would

0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:44.879
<v Speaker 1>be a diverse from different areas of expertise, so that

0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:49.480
<v Speaker 1>you would have people who could guide an organization so

0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:53.400
<v Speaker 1>that it doesn't find itself in real trouble. But again,

0:49:53.520 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 1>like cryptocurrency, one of the big things that attracts people

0:49:57.600 --> 0:50:01.200
<v Speaker 1>to it is that it kind of has this bootstrapped,

0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:10.279
<v Speaker 1>almost techno anarchist approach to finance. It's certainly and evangelicized

0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:15.920
<v Speaker 1>as being decentralized. I would argue, effectively, it is not decentralized.

0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:19.680
<v Speaker 1>It's just kind of surface level decentralized, But effectively you

0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:24.960
<v Speaker 1>get a core of very powerful entities that control everything,

0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:27.360
<v Speaker 1>and so it still becomes centralized. It's just centralized in

0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:32.720
<v Speaker 1>a different way than you would find in traditional financial institutions. Anyway,

0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:35.360
<v Speaker 1>there's a real lack of governance for a lot of

0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:38.880
<v Speaker 1>these organizations, so when things go wrong, there's not really

0:50:38.920 --> 0:50:42.919
<v Speaker 1>anyone there who has the experience to kind of right

0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the course before things just escalate into an uncontrollable situation.

0:50:47.640 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Allah F t X, and this has led to renewed

0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:56.359
<v Speaker 1>calls for regulating the industry. My guess is that any

0:50:56.440 --> 0:51:01.440
<v Speaker 1>regulations we actually see pasted to handle cryptocurrency and crypto

0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:05.840
<v Speaker 1>markets are not going to be the light touch approach

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:11.600
<v Speaker 1>that SPF was advocating for. Like SPF wrote a a

0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:18.319
<v Speaker 1>white paper that was essentially crypto regulations for Dummies. In fact,

0:51:18.320 --> 0:51:22.120
<v Speaker 1>it was titled something similar to that. And you know,

0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:24.400
<v Speaker 1>his idea was that these are going to happen one

0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:26.840
<v Speaker 1>way or the other, so it's best if our voice

0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:31.279
<v Speaker 1>is represented during the formulation of these regulations so that

0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:35.560
<v Speaker 1>they don't kill the industry, because there's a legit fear

0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:41.880
<v Speaker 1>that could happen. Um And so now with this spectacular

0:51:41.960 --> 0:51:47.200
<v Speaker 1>implosion of FTX, along with SBF being revealed to perhaps

0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 1>have been engaged in some uh at least questionable and

0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:55.160
<v Speaker 1>potentially illegal activities as far as Alimator Research and f

0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:58.960
<v Speaker 1>t X are concerned, that really means that I think

0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who otherwise would have been receptive

0:52:01.880 --> 0:52:04.480
<v Speaker 1>to his ideas are now going to say no, no,

0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:07.919
<v Speaker 1>he's he was protecting himself, right. These regulations were meant

0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:11.440
<v Speaker 1>to allow him to continue to operate in a way

0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:15.040
<v Speaker 1>where he would benefit most, and so we can't trust it,

0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:20.799
<v Speaker 1>so we have to make much much more restrictive regulations. Which, Hey,

0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:25.000
<v Speaker 1>c Z, if in fact any of your motivations tied

0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:29.680
<v Speaker 1>back to a resentment about SBF arguing for regulation, I

0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:32.279
<v Speaker 1>got some bad news for you, Bud. Things are gonna

0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:35.399
<v Speaker 1>be way worse now than they would have been. If

0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:38.880
<v Speaker 1>in fact, Finance's decision to pull out was just business

0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and there was nothing personal about it. If in fact

0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:44.560
<v Speaker 1>what c Z said was true that Finance got out

0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:48.160
<v Speaker 1>because they saw this balance sheet or you know, quote

0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:53.400
<v Speaker 1>unquote recent revelations and realized that their their investment was

0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:57.719
<v Speaker 1>unwise and that's why they sold it off, well you

0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:03.480
<v Speaker 1>could argue that that move acipitated into this escalating effect

0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:09.360
<v Speaker 1>that has affected the entire cryptocurrency industry, including finance itself

0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:12.279
<v Speaker 1>and the value of their assets that it may be

0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:15.360
<v Speaker 1>viewed as a very self destructive business move in the

0:53:15.440 --> 0:53:18.120
<v Speaker 1>long run. Not that I think SPF and f t

0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:20.960
<v Speaker 1>X should have just kept getting away with allegedly misusing

0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:24.719
<v Speaker 1>customer funds either. I don't think that. But again, there

0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:27.160
<v Speaker 1>are no good guys in this story, y'all. It's all

0:53:27.239 --> 0:53:31.799
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of supervillains. Speaking of cz, he has also

0:53:31.880 --> 0:53:35.720
<v Speaker 1>gone on to throw shade at another cryptocurrency exchange called

0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Crypto dot Com. Crypto dot com got pulled into the

0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:47.840
<v Speaker 1>spotlight when it when it accidentally transferred around three hundred

0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:53.200
<v Speaker 1>sixty million dollars worth of cryptocurrency that belonged to Crypto

0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:58.759
<v Speaker 1>customers off of its own exchange and onto another external

0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:05.680
<v Speaker 1>public exchange. So what they intended to do was transfer

0:54:05.840 --> 0:54:10.680
<v Speaker 1>those funds into cold storage, in other words, into offline

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:15.560
<v Speaker 1>digital wallets, which already was kind of like it raises

0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:20.360
<v Speaker 1>your bread flags again, like why are you moving money

0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:23.240
<v Speaker 1>off of your exchange and into cold storage where people

0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:26.319
<v Speaker 1>can't access it? Why are you doing that? Or are

0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:28.560
<v Speaker 1>you doing it in a way so that you can

0:54:28.560 --> 0:54:32.680
<v Speaker 1>protect it because you expect some form of intrusion attack

0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:36.960
<v Speaker 1>on your exchange, and this way the money is protected

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:39.920
<v Speaker 1>from hackers trying to get access to those funds, whatever

0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:44.920
<v Speaker 1>it may be. It starts to raise concerns and uh,

0:54:45.080 --> 0:54:47.880
<v Speaker 1>you know crypto dot Com had accidentally moved these funds

0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:50.680
<v Speaker 1>onto a totally different exchange. Then they wrote to the

0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:55.000
<v Speaker 1>exchange and essentially said, uh, my bad, would you mind

0:54:55.080 --> 0:54:59.000
<v Speaker 1>handing that three hundred and sixty million dollars worth of

0:54:59.040 --> 0:55:02.799
<v Speaker 1>assets back to us please? Which is nice because you

0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:06.680
<v Speaker 1>know that exchange actually did do that. They returned the money,

0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:09.719
<v Speaker 1>but it was beyond embarrassing. I mean, you're talking about

0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:13.239
<v Speaker 1>more than a quarter of a billion dollars accidentally sent

0:55:13.760 --> 0:55:16.319
<v Speaker 1>to the wrong place. That is not the kind of

0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:20.000
<v Speaker 1>story you want to tell when you're desperately attempting to

0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:26.640
<v Speaker 1>reassure people that crypto is not a huge risk. Anyway,

0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:30.839
<v Speaker 1>c Z appeared to allude to Crypto dot Com and

0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:34.000
<v Speaker 1>said that if an exchange is moving large amounts quote

0:55:34.440 --> 0:55:38.200
<v Speaker 1>before or after they demonstrate their wallet addresses, it is

0:55:38.239 --> 0:55:41.880
<v Speaker 1>a clear sign of problems end quote. Now this also

0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:45.680
<v Speaker 1>ties into the pressure that a lot of these exchanges

0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:50.160
<v Speaker 1>are now feeling as governments and as customers are demanding

0:55:50.400 --> 0:55:54.799
<v Speaker 1>that the exchanges prove they have the liquidity, they have

0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:59.480
<v Speaker 1>the cash on hand to cover all the assets on

0:55:59.640 --> 0:56:02.040
<v Speaker 1>the change. So if you think of it like a bank,

0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:06.279
<v Speaker 1>you want proof that the bank has a dollar for

0:56:06.440 --> 0:56:10.120
<v Speaker 1>every dollar that clients have put into an account, so

0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:12.360
<v Speaker 1>that if people wanted to pull their money out of

0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:15.120
<v Speaker 1>the bank and everyone did it at the same time,

0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:18.520
<v Speaker 1>the bank would actually be able to cover that. That's

0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:21.640
<v Speaker 1>what people want exchanges to prove, and because of the

0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:25.080
<v Speaker 1>lack of governance, that's really hard to do. At least

0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:27.560
<v Speaker 1>it's really hard to do in a way that will

0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:31.719
<v Speaker 1>seem legit right, Like there's a real worry that someone

0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:34.839
<v Speaker 1>might just print out a piece of paper say yes,

0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:37.480
<v Speaker 1>we have all the moneys and not actually have to

0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:40.920
<v Speaker 1>prove that they in fact have all the moneys. So

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:44.920
<v Speaker 1>fd X did not have this right that that company

0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:48.600
<v Speaker 1>had funneled its assets to alimator research, at least allegedly.

0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:52.839
<v Speaker 1>And people want to know if they decide they want

0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:55.160
<v Speaker 1>to withdraw their money that the exchange is actually going

0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:57.560
<v Speaker 1>to have the money to pay them. That's what it

0:56:57.600 --> 0:57:01.120
<v Speaker 1>really boils down to, and it's it's a real crisis

0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:04.840
<v Speaker 1>for cryptocurrency exchanges right now that have been operating fast

0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:07.759
<v Speaker 1>and loose for a few years. Now. Some analysts are

0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:11.480
<v Speaker 1>even warning that Binance could fall into a similar situation

0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:16.680
<v Speaker 1>down the line, because like f t X, Finance is

0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:20.880
<v Speaker 1>also an offshore exchange with very little governance. So there's

0:57:20.880 --> 0:57:26.760
<v Speaker 1>not a whole lot of uh confidence that finances being

0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:30.760
<v Speaker 1>run on the up and up. It might be, but

0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the lack of governance creates suspicion. So there's this fear

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<v Speaker 1>that Finance could be engaged in, you know, similar activities

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<v Speaker 1>that f t X was engaged in, and that it

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<v Speaker 1>could be gambling with user funds. Now, maybe that gamble

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<v Speaker 1>will pay off and everyone will be fine, or maybe

0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:53.000
<v Speaker 1>it could come all crashing down, which would be a real,

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<v Speaker 1>super hard blow to the crypto industry as a whole.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've seen crypto take a hit in vow you

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<v Speaker 1>with ft X as fall. I'll talk about that again

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<v Speaker 1>in the second. So if Finance, the number one cryptocurrency exchange,

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<v Speaker 1>went down, it would be true chaos, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are worried about. Now. Maybe Finance

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<v Speaker 1>isn't gambling at all. Maybe these suspicions that some analysts

0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:23.360
<v Speaker 1>have are completely misguided. You know, maybe it's totally fine,

0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:28.960
<v Speaker 1>it's just impossible to say because it's offshore exchange that

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<v Speaker 1>has very little governance and there's no transparency. So with

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<v Speaker 1>that comes this suspicion that cannot be allayed. Right unless

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<v Speaker 1>you change the operation of the organization, people are just

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<v Speaker 1>going to continue to be suspicious. Now, maybe nothing goes

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and everything's fine, or maybe someone goes really wrong

0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and nothing's fine. Uh. I don't know how legit those

0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:58.439
<v Speaker 1>suspicions are, Like, I don't know how well founded they are,

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<v Speaker 1>because I would need to look much more deeply into

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<v Speaker 1>Finance to give my opinion. Maybe I'll do a full

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<v Speaker 1>episode on Finance Leader and kind of say what at

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<v Speaker 1>least the experts are thinking, because obviously this is above

0:59:11.480 --> 0:59:16.280
<v Speaker 1>my pay grade. But I will say cz the CEO

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<v Speaker 1>of Finance strikes me as a little bit of a bully. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't necessarily mean that the organization is rotten or

0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:28.280
<v Speaker 1>anything like that. Uh, it just it doesn't help the

0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:32.560
<v Speaker 1>case because sees these very good at getting people's hackles up,

0:59:33.000 --> 0:59:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and that I think feeds into this suspicion. Finally, let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about f t x is collapse and it's broader

0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:45.680
<v Speaker 1>impact on crypto in general. So in one week, the

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<v Speaker 1>market cap for crypto fell around twenty as f t

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<v Speaker 1>X smoldered and then collapsed and just became a burning

0:59:55.560 --> 1:00:00.200
<v Speaker 1>trash fire. So again, if finance sold off its f

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<v Speaker 1>t T stock as a business decision, like it was

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<v Speaker 1>solely for business, and they thought ft T is not safe.

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<v Speaker 1>H f t X is in trouble. We want to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of this before it goes bad. This is

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<v Speaker 1>just business, there's nothing personal about it. Well, that decision

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<v Speaker 1>did precipitate a series of events that saw binances overall

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<v Speaker 1>investments decrease in value by about a fifth. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's a business decision, it's a business decision that

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<v Speaker 1>costs them a huge amount of wealth um. And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was just purely a business decision. Maybe it in

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<v Speaker 1>fact was the best out of a bunch of bad

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<v Speaker 1>possible choices. Again, it's hard for me to say. I

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<v Speaker 1>will say that f t X and its collapse and

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<v Speaker 1>that drop, it's pretty much in line with what we

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<v Speaker 1>saw with Mountain Cox years ago. Now, mount Gox was

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<v Speaker 1>the number one cryptocurrency exchange when it went under, and

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<v Speaker 1>that ended up being a thirty percent drop in the

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<v Speaker 1>crypto market. The crypto market in general was way way

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<v Speaker 1>smaller than what it is today, but yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>the number one dropped in value. Now the number two

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<v Speaker 1>goes down, we see a twenty value drop. It's rough.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's on the horizon for crypto. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if and when it will have a turnaround.

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<v Speaker 1>I suspect there will be a turnaround at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Not every cryptocurrency is gonna make it. I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think some other cryptocurrencies are going to completely fold

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<v Speaker 1>before we see the end of this year, maybe definitely

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<v Speaker 1>before we get too far into next year. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that they're all going to go away. And certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin has had periods where its value has dropped significantly

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<v Speaker 1>only for it to return to being even stronger than

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<v Speaker 1>it was before, so it's entirely possible it will be

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<v Speaker 1>able to do that again. But as events like this

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<v Speaker 1>happen and people begin who lose confidence in the crypto

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<v Speaker 1>market overall, um, it's bad news for everyone in the

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<v Speaker 1>crypto game, because, as some people have put it, the

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<v Speaker 1>real value in crypto comes in people's belief in crypto,

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<v Speaker 1>and if people stop believing in crypto, then it stops

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<v Speaker 1>having value because there's nothing else to back up the

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<v Speaker 1>value of the cryptocurrency except people's belief that it has value. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It strikes me kind of as similar to the way

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Pratchett treated gods in his Discworld series. The gods

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<v Speaker 1>of Discworld have a presence and power that is equal

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<v Speaker 1>to the amount of belief that is placed in those gods.

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<v Speaker 1>So as as people stop believing in God's those gods

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<v Speaker 1>become less and less powerful until they're barely there at all.

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<v Speaker 1>The same thing could be said about cryptocurrencies, because there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing else underneath them. Two dampen the effect of people

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<v Speaker 1>losing confidence in the currency. So we'll have to see

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<v Speaker 1>how or if the cryptocurrency market in general recovers from

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<v Speaker 1>the f t X scandal. I'm sure we're still really

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<v Speaker 1>in the early stages of those consequences. I mean, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, most of the stuff I talked about in

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<v Speaker 1>this episode happened over the last two weeks. Who knows

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<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen in the next two weeks. Besides

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<v Speaker 1>Thanksgiving America. Thanksgiving is going to happen in the next

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks, so you know, have a slice of turkey

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<v Speaker 1>for me if you eat turkey. If you don't, then

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<v Speaker 1>don't eat turkey for me. That would just be selfish

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<v Speaker 1>on my part. Okay, that's it for this epic long

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<v Speaker 1>episode of tech Stuff. I hope you enjoyed it. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope this has given you insight into what was going

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<v Speaker 1>on with f t X, with its co founder SPF,

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<v Speaker 1>with its arch nemesis c Z and finance and uh

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<v Speaker 1>the token f t T you know me. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>done with all that for now. I'm sure I'll have

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<v Speaker 1>to follow up on this story as more develops, but

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