Speaker 1: So I'm back here in my childhood bedroom in beautiful Connecticut.
Speaker 1: Let the jokes begin in the wonderful snowy. Is that
Speaker 1: a pink Floyd poster behind you? It is? I'm been
Speaker 1: my childhood of course. And uh, as I do every
Speaker 1: night when I can't sleep and I'm here, I go
Speaker 1: through some of my old stuff. And what do I
Speaker 1: stumble upon but the Hartford Current, from which is the
Speaker 1: oldest newspaper in them from September fifth, nineteen ninety three, okay,
Speaker 1: and it is the Surprises or Snoozer's edition of what's
Speaker 1: coming out on TV? What's gonna be good? What's gonna
Speaker 1: be terrible? According to I won't say his name from
Speaker 1: the Harvard Current. Oh, you should definitely say his name
Speaker 1: from thirty years in print. He put it in print.
Speaker 1: He should stand by his opinion. James Enderst is his name, okay.
Speaker 1: And if you go to uh, we go to G
Speaker 1: seven people and we go you have to turn pages,
Speaker 1: have to turn pages. Wow. Right below the headline how
Speaker 1: did these shows make it to TV? There is number
Speaker 1: four Boy meets whirld Yes, I shall read you what
Speaker 1: mister Innst said about our show. Thank you a show
Speaker 1: that makes you want to bring corporal punishment back to
Speaker 1: the classroom. Oh my god, bench Aavage Wild Palms is
Speaker 1: the supposedly ankst ridden eleven year old kid. We think
Speaker 1: he's faking it. And William Daniels Saint Elsewhere is the
Speaker 1: teacher with the less than tender touch, who, of course
Speaker 1: is a softie deep down inside. Another three kid sitcom,
Speaker 1: this time from Dinosaurs producer Michael j Michael Jacobs. It's
Speaker 1: no Wonder Years, that's for sure. What that is our review?
Speaker 1: Now the shows that this same guy said we're smash
Speaker 1: hits and we should be looking out for Oh good, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's hear Dave's World what Bakersfield PD. No, that didn't last,
Speaker 1: the John Larrichette show okay sure, and one of the
Speaker 1: other ones, The Mommies, My Brother's show. Amazing. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: we could. We could live in an alternate world where
Speaker 1: James got his way and my brother would be doing
Speaker 1: his rewatch podcast for the legendary sitcom on The Mommies,
Speaker 1: which lasted two seasons. Wow, that's so funny. If you
Speaker 1: go back to what we were talking about before with
Speaker 1: my father, who is not at all a stage dad,
Speaker 1: apparently he wrote this guy a letter of when okay,
Speaker 1: So so I did think we need to start revising.
Speaker 1: This is not the stage dad, he is the ultimately mister,
Speaker 1: and a letter kind of saying, what are you thinking?
Speaker 1: That's my my son show? It will be It'll be brilliant.
Speaker 1: Oh god? Did he think he would sway the guy's opinion?
Speaker 1: Like yet, what would do is make the guy dig
Speaker 1: his heels in more like yeah, this is what um.
Speaker 1: By the way, I should have also started by saying
Speaker 1: that I need to hop off this zoom faster than
Speaker 1: normal tonight because there's a Bakersfield PD rerun I want
Speaker 1: to catch sure, Sure, sure, yeah, absolutely huge show. It's
Speaker 1: funny to think about how it kind of used to be,
Speaker 1: like if you were a critic in America, even a
Speaker 1: television critic, you were kind of down on the entire medium, right,
Speaker 1: Like if something was popular, you just trashed it, like
Speaker 1: in this. We've talked about this before that we always
Speaker 1: felt like culturally insignificant when was on the air, and
Speaker 1: it was partly because we were we were compared to
Speaker 1: Wonder Years, which is totally unfair in retrospect, like they're
Speaker 1: completely different shows. But I guess the Ben Savage Fred
Speaker 1: Savage connection just invited that, of course a coming of
Speaker 1: age story. But it's like, but one is a sitcom
Speaker 1: in front of a live studio audience, which is clearly
Speaker 1: more you know, one foot steadily in the theater theatrical tradition,
Speaker 1: and the other was like trying to be a movie
Speaker 1: every week with voiceover and single camera, like not even
Speaker 1: really a comedy. It's you know, mostly a drama. So
Speaker 1: it's so weird that that. But I felt that, like,
Speaker 1: didn't we feel that. Didn't we feel like we were
Speaker 1: making something that was sort of i don't know, like
Speaker 1: not critically certainly not critically acclaimed, and not even really
Speaker 1: recognized as like real art or real like anything of
Speaker 1: lasting value. I felt like we were making like popcorn,
Speaker 1: you know. It was like this this little kids show. Um.
Speaker 1: And of course the irony is that our show is
Speaker 1: still being talked about and we have this incredible fan base. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm okay with When we were on the air,
Speaker 1: we were kind of always overlooked and it was all
Speaker 1: about the other shows on TJF and all the other shows.
Speaker 1: I'm totally okay with that. What is starting to miss
Speaker 1: me a little bit is when there's all these kind
Speaker 1: of look back at the nineties, we're still never mentioned it,
Speaker 1: really never. It's every other show like they did, like
Speaker 1: TV of the Nineties on CNN they did kind of
Speaker 1: like all these different retrospectives. They never talk about boy Mutral,
Speaker 1: it's dotink, even like the puzzles, like Sue loves doing puzzles.
Speaker 1: They did like Phoebe in the nineties, and there's one
Speaker 1: tiny picture of coreing to Panga, and then it's every
Speaker 1: other nineties show is like this giant thing. So now
Speaker 1: I'm starting to get miffed when I wasn't there. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, we did get asked to do that CNN show,
Speaker 1: by the way, I think we said that, which is
Speaker 1: maybe why they then did it include us. I didn't
Speaker 1: get asked, would have done it? Oh well, you know, well,
Speaker 1: I think my favorite part of that story is that
Speaker 1: you even hoarded bad reviews of yourself, right, you were like,
Speaker 1: you know what, this is a terrible review, saving it.
Speaker 1: I'm keeping it, keep it. I honestly can't remember. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess I wasn't tapped in enough to even read reviews,
Speaker 1: but I don't remember ever hearing a good review except
Speaker 1: one time. Do you guys remember when Michael read a
Speaker 1: good review of our show to us all at the
Speaker 1: table read when we were like in seasons vaguely yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like some critics somewhere picked up on our
Speaker 1: show out of nowhere, I forget what publication, and they
Speaker 1: they wrote this like very extensive, like hey, this is
Speaker 1: the show that no one's talking about but actually deserves
Speaker 1: a lot of credit. And Michael was very proud of
Speaker 1: it because it, you know, recognized all the things that
Speaker 1: he felt he was putting into the show and that
Speaker 1: we were all doing. So he read it to us
Speaker 1: at the table read like at one time, and I
Speaker 1: remember being like, wow, somebody's actually somebody got it us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it is and is picking up on all the
Speaker 1: things we are talking about that we want to be doing,
Speaker 1: Like somebody actually tapped into all of those things, and
Speaker 1: so it really must be there. It's not just for
Speaker 1: us right now. The one I remember that Michael did
Speaker 1: at the table read was he said, you know you're
Speaker 1: becoming popular when the title of your show starts to
Speaker 1: become part of the lexicon. And he said, I saw
Speaker 1: this the first time with King Charles or with Prince
Speaker 1: Charles in England when one of the titles he started,
Speaker 1: he did this big thing and it was Charles in Charge.
Speaker 1: He went, wow, my show is really me. So he said,
Speaker 1: I wanted to show you this article and it was
Speaker 1: some big skiing magazine and the cover said boy meets
Speaker 1: Matterhorn and he went, so we're making it, We're making it.
Speaker 1: I remember going like, that's kind yeah, because boy meets
Speaker 1: Girl is like a saying, right, that's ridiculous, right, So
Speaker 1: I kind of like, oh, he's reaching to make us
Speaker 1: feel better. I appreciate, will take credit for every boy
Speaker 1: meets headline. Ever, every boy meets something is totally because
Speaker 1: of us, right, even if it predates us pretty much. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: welcome to boy meets Pod meets World. I'm Danielle Fishel,
Speaker 1: I'm Rider Strong, and I'm Wilfredell. So we are here
Speaker 1: today to talk about season two, episode twelve, The Turnaround.
Speaker 1: It originally aired December sixteenth, nineteen ninety four. The synopsis
Speaker 1: is when Corey mistakenly agrees to take a nerdy girl
Speaker 1: to the dance. He and Sean decide to give her
Speaker 1: a makeover and hopes that she'll become more popular. It
Speaker 1: was directed by David Trayner. It was written by Michelle
Speaker 1: Palermo new writer Alert. Yes, I think this was one
Speaker 1: of our spec scripts. I think this is an outside
Speaker 1: script because I don't remember anybody named Michelle Palermo. No
Speaker 1: mean either. Yeah. So guest starring Darlene Vogel, who returns
Speaker 1: as Katherine kat Tompkins, Natania Ross as Ingrid Iverson. She
Speaker 1: would go on to play Robin Russo on The Secret
Speaker 1: World of Alex mac Marnette Patterson as Alison Cheever, Jennifer
Speaker 1: Banko as Becky Schultz, and the introduction of Will Estes
Speaker 1: as Alex, who will appear on three Boy Meats World
Speaker 1: episodes and has now been on the TV show Blue
Speaker 1: Bloods for almost three hundred episodes. He did three episodes
Speaker 1: of our show. I was like, oh my god, Yeah
Speaker 1: he was around. Yes, Yeah, that's exactly right. Natania's coming
Speaker 1: on the Natania Catania is coming on. Yeah. She came
Speaker 1: up to me and Will. We were at a convention
Speaker 1: h three year years ago, right, it was right during
Speaker 1: like right, the first convention I did after the pandemic,
Speaker 1: and she walked right up to us, and she has
Speaker 1: like very fond memories of being on the show. And um,
Speaker 1: and and we we have a mutual friend in Larissa
Speaker 1: Oleanik who was on Alex Mac with her and they're
Speaker 1: still like best friends. So it was it was good
Speaker 1: to reconnect with her. I can't wait to have her
Speaker 1: on the show. So yes, it will be great to
Speaker 1: have Natania Ross on the show when she comes to
Speaker 1: visit us. UM. So let's jump into our recap. We
Speaker 1: start in the school hallway. Mister Feenie is putting up
Speaker 1: posters for the Turnaround dance, when mister Turner in quite
Speaker 1: a tie. Oh it's all, but it's always the tie
Speaker 1: with the shirt, right, it's always the like pattern on
Speaker 1: a pattern that's just spectacular. It's so busy and and
Speaker 1: and like you said, writer, I so badly want to
Speaker 1: be in high definition because even when I posit to
Speaker 1: try and like see what the tie is, it blurs.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, yeah, what it is? It looks you're
Speaker 1: just squinting at the screen. It looks like Jack and
Speaker 1: the Beanstalk with like a boy climbing up a massive tree.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what it was. I just think
Speaker 1: that now ninety percent of his ties just have some
Speaker 1: sort of a fish theme and I just go with that. Okay.
Speaker 1: They can kind of all look like fishes a little bit,
Speaker 1: so it's like, okay, maybe you meant like fishes in
Speaker 1: the band fish like drugs, like nice just swirls and
Speaker 1: weird colors. I love that is Yeah, it's absolutely it's
Speaker 1: it's a picture a nectar tie for all that sort,
Speaker 1: for all the fish heads out there. Wow, no idea
Speaker 1: what that means album picture a nectar, great album. It's
Speaker 1: a down with the Seas tie. No, okay, good, okay,
Speaker 1: all right? Wow? So uh yeah Turner. Mister Turner pokes
Speaker 1: fun at Phoene, saying he's surprised no one is helping
Speaker 1: him with this grunt work, and then Phoene hands Turner.
Speaker 1: The rest of the posters should have seen that one coming.
Speaker 1: Mister Phoenie explains that the turnaround dances when girls ask
Speaker 1: the guys, and mister Turner says, oh boy, he's glad
Speaker 1: those days are over. Um. We used to at our
Speaker 1: school we called this dance the vice dance, which stood
Speaker 1: for vice versa. Oh okay, and then isn't also a
Speaker 1: sad Hawkins? Why why Sadie Hawkins? Who Sadie Hawkins. What's
Speaker 1: that mean? She was? It's so funny. I don't remember
Speaker 1: in what context. But Sue and I actually had the
Speaker 1: same converse when we first started dating, like fourteen years ago,
Speaker 1: and we looked it up and now I can't remember
Speaker 1: what it was. It was like a woman new cool story,
Speaker 1: Yeah somebody else not all going to be winners, Danielle
Speaker 1: hang bro Im. I thought you were sure this conversation,
Speaker 1: so I have the perfect answer and interesting enough for
Speaker 1: me to remember. We couldn't remember, and we looked it up,
Speaker 1: but we learned it, and now I can't remember. Is
Speaker 1: this still a thing? Do you think? Do? Do? Do
Speaker 1: school still do? Why do they call it a Sadie
Speaker 1: Hawkins dance? The Sadie Hawkins Dance is named after the
Speaker 1: Little Abner comic strip character Sadie Hawkins, created by cartoonist
Speaker 1: Al cap. In the strip, Sadie Hawkins Day fell on
Speaker 1: a given day in November, but it was never specified
Speaker 1: which day. Hmm, that doesn't seem to make any sense.
Speaker 1: So she was just a female character in a comic strip,
Speaker 1: you guess, So yeah, maybe she was. Yeah, I always
Speaker 1: called I referred to these There was a dance at
Speaker 1: school last weekend. Yeah, it is still so shocking to
Speaker 1: me that you weren't. It's so interesting that, like in
Speaker 1: your school everyone was apparently blind, and in Hollywood you
Speaker 1: were literally plucked out as being like, here's obviously the
Speaker 1: guy who's going to play the world's most handsome, cool
Speaker 1: older brother. I also wonder how much of that was
Speaker 1: because you were going in a way like you were
Speaker 1: going to New York. Yeah, your energies were elsewhere there. See,
Speaker 1: that's what they That's what everyone says when I talk
Speaker 1: to them now about it. But it just wasn't the case.
Speaker 1: I just it's also it's different. I mean you you
Speaker 1: you know this more than Danielle's probably right, because you
Speaker 1: grew up in a smaller town. When you grow up
Speaker 1: with people that you've known since you know, kindergarten or
Speaker 1: second grade, you go through kind of ebbs and flows
Speaker 1: of your friends with them, you're not friends with them,
Speaker 1: you date somebody, you don't date them. My flow was
Speaker 1: done by sixth grade, right sixteen. Gosh, I was so
Speaker 1: cool and I didn't think I was cool, but sixteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been it's been a real struggle since we got
Speaker 1: that on the time Machine list. Right, we got that
Speaker 1: on the time Machine list absolutely all right, so uh
Speaker 1: miss missus chart. Well, my question that I was asking,
Speaker 1: do do you think do schools still do this? Do
Speaker 1: they still have a girls ass guys? Is that even
Speaker 1: still a thing? It seems like gender wouldn't be put
Speaker 1: into anything nowadays in a school, right, I would it
Speaker 1: would just be have a dance. Yeah, we're having a
Speaker 1: dance whenever. Yeah. I wonder if dances are even still popular.
Speaker 1: I think actually would be right, yeah, yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 1: need virtualize dating, you know, to like get people to
Speaker 1: sort of out of their shells, and especially nowadays because
Speaker 1: it's a couple hours, maybe not on your phone, not
Speaker 1: on social media, not on this tex Stoe, if you're
Speaker 1: actually with people and doing getting going into a room together.
Speaker 1: I would actually be shocked if this is not still
Speaker 1: very popular in most schools across the country. I mean,
Speaker 1: it may be something that's starting to be phased out,
Speaker 1: but I bet I bet the trade are still are
Speaker 1: still continuing on. So I bet this is probably still
Speaker 1: something that happens where sounds dangerous though it does in
Speaker 1: Miami Vice. I'm imagining like in the back, crazy foul
Speaker 1: so miss Tompkins walks up and Phoene asks her to
Speaker 1: chaperone the dance and says that she can invite a gentleman.
Speaker 1: It looks like she's going to ask mister Turner, but
Speaker 1: instead she tells him to raise the poster just a
Speaker 1: little bit on the right, and Corey and Sean walk
Speaker 1: to the lockers. Corey is happy the pressure is off
Speaker 1: because now the girls have to ask the guys. Eric
Speaker 1: overhears them and ask if that's what they really think.
Speaker 1: He tells them the turnaround dance determines where they stand
Speaker 1: and the type of girl that asks you tells you
Speaker 1: who you are, which I thought was a um. I
Speaker 1: thought that was a really smart premise for Eric to
Speaker 1: bring into the situation like a whole new not just
Speaker 1: about oh man, it's you know, you have to worry
Speaker 1: about whether or not you're going to get asked, but
Speaker 1: then who who do you end up going with? Because
Speaker 1: that tells you where you are and the I thought
Speaker 1: that was really clever. Well this is it struck me
Speaker 1: that we were definitely throughout season two and it seems
Speaker 1: like this has happened a bunch and will probably continue
Speaker 1: to happen. Eric is is this figure in the script
Speaker 1: who's like the thesis statement guy, like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like he comes in and says like, this
Speaker 1: is the rule, this is the way it always is,
Speaker 1: and then of course we watch that either play out
Speaker 1: or not. It's sort of like in Seinfeld whenever they
Speaker 1: would have a situation then to be like, you know, well,
Speaker 1: the guy, you know, this is the rule, this is
Speaker 1: the way it always is. You do this, and then
Speaker 1: this happens, and then of course you watch that gets
Speaker 1: subverted Eric, like will your role in the show has
Speaker 1: been to be sort of the authority for better or worse,
Speaker 1: who like makes this bold thesis statement that then becomes
Speaker 1: the logic of the entire episode, and all the comedy
Speaker 1: and all the situations sort of revolve around whatever that
Speaker 1: logic statement that you made to open the show with.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's kind of a thankless position. It's like
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Well, first of all, I couldn't tell if
Speaker 1: you were doing Jerry or George, but it's the I've
Speaker 1: seen four episodes of your person will work on that
Speaker 1: um but the uh, it also was the appression we
Speaker 1: used to do a Siefeld depression, which was a line
Speaker 1: from Boy Meats World that we would do it in
Speaker 1: Seinfeld's voice to remember. I think it was a line
Speaker 1: for Boys in the Shower I'm gap, I'm gap. Oh yeah, what,
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was like at I'm always
Speaker 1: gap in the shower of the gap, and then you
Speaker 1: did it used to do it as Jerry Seinsfolk. What
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gap. Of course I'm gaping. I'm good.
Speaker 1: The thing I liked about this episode, well, first of all,
Speaker 1: they are trying to make Sean and Corey and then
Speaker 1: Eric kind of work together the first time that I'd
Speaker 1: ever really seen that happen, which is which is kind
Speaker 1: of cool. Yes, but it does. It seems like they
Speaker 1: were doing levels of adulthood in this episode, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense, where it was one level above Corey and
Speaker 1: Sean is Eric kind of like I've been there right
Speaker 1: where you are, but only a year or two ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it's Turner and the new teacher, and then
Speaker 1: it's Phoenie and then while you're also forgetting and Allan
Speaker 1: and Allen. Yes, So they did these kind of levels
Speaker 1: of dating or relationship hood in this episode, which I
Speaker 1: thought was was kind of interesting. Yeah, and I'm not.
Speaker 1: It really worked. I loved the three of you guys together,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I thought I thought it was really beautiful,
Speaker 1: so too, I thought it was good. It was a
Speaker 1: good episode. So Eric tells Coorey and Sean if they
Speaker 1: want a cool girl, they have to position themselves, stand
Speaker 1: near their lockers and make sure they're seen. Eric positions
Speaker 1: himself literally in the way of Jacqueline while holding his
Speaker 1: favorite folder. You were holding those, I never I never
Speaker 1: miss it when you have one of those. I think
Speaker 1: it really is and just tackles the girl as she
Speaker 1: walks by. Well, she just basically tackles you, and you
Speaker 1: just go right with her. Just here we go. I'm
Speaker 1: going this direction too. It worked. Yeah, it worked, and
Speaker 1: it was very funny. So Corey tries the same type
Speaker 1: of positioning, but to no avail, and that's when Becky
Speaker 1: comes up and asks Sean to the dance. Corey is
Speaker 1: impressed because she's like the third coolest girl in school.
Speaker 1: Did you guys think this was like her looking at
Speaker 1: your butt? Okay, no, I was more like, why is
Speaker 1: my head? I actually think it was part of the joke,
Speaker 1: because again, yes, rider, your locker was now the bottom
Speaker 1: locker and you were bent over and Ben comes up
Speaker 1: to you. Corey says, what kind of girl do you
Speaker 1: think you're going to get from this position? And then
Speaker 1: she comes and asks you a question. And when she
Speaker 1: walks away, she checks out your booty. Well, nobody, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. No, no no, no, Unfortunately she checks him out
Speaker 1: when he's really he's in the locker, she checks out
Speaker 1: his butt. Okay, when she's leaving, he's facing her and
Speaker 1: she's checking out his crotch. Just my crot Okay, it's all.
Speaker 1: It looked like she checked out your junk, nodded and
Speaker 1: walked away. Well then I needed to be wearing Tony's
Speaker 1: pants clearly needed to be needed. Screw these baggy jinkos.
Speaker 1: I needed to really emphasized in the paint game. So
Speaker 1: I do think that was It literally was that it
Speaker 1: was a It was a booty joke, which you know. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I didn't tell you guys this, But we're watching
Speaker 1: an episode Alex and I don't remember which episode, and
Speaker 1: Tony walked out of the classroom the allway and she
Speaker 1: just went and I was like what, and she's like,
Speaker 1: it's just some tight pants for a teacher to beware
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh okay, I thought maybe you
Speaker 1: just out of attractive, and she's like, no, it's the
Speaker 1: parents are a little much. Yeah, oh my god, in
Speaker 1: the hair love it. Oh my gosh, thank god. We
Speaker 1: love Tony. We do. And then Topanga walks up to
Speaker 1: Corey and Sean and she knows that they're waiting for
Speaker 1: a girl to walk by and ask them to the dance.
Speaker 1: Topanga reveals she's not going to the dance. It's a
Speaker 1: protest because of gender bias. And then's back for a moment.
Speaker 1: We get some old Topanga. I mean, it's like it's
Speaker 1: new new, old Topanga. It's like, stay taking it all,
Speaker 1: you know, this is the best of it. This is
Speaker 1: the way it probably should have been from the moment
Speaker 1: Season two started. Yeah, keep those lines, keep that perspective.
Speaker 1: But then of course it's matured into, you know, something
Speaker 1: slightly different, and this is a great use of that.
Speaker 1: I thought it was perfect. It also changes instantly when
Speaker 1: she's like, you know, and then my dad, he's taking
Speaker 1: me to New York to go she's happy for Christmas,
Speaker 1: and I call him my daddy, which is the first
Speaker 1: time I don't call him Jedediah. Yeah. Also, I'm not
Speaker 1: needed in this episode. Get me out of here? Why
Speaker 1: are you? You don't come back, do you? I'm in
Speaker 1: I'm in Turner's classroom later to like mumble something and
Speaker 1: then with the lightning speed of the flash, I am
Speaker 1: out of the classroom the minute the bell rings. I'm
Speaker 1: literally the first person out. The bell rings and I'm
Speaker 1: like go and I just out. Yeah, not needed in
Speaker 1: this episode? Why was I here? I can't believe they
Speaker 1: kept this take because I don't know if it bothered
Speaker 1: you guys, but your jacket being hung up on your
Speaker 1: I couldn't take my eyes off it. I just fix
Speaker 1: your jacket, Fix your jacket. Well, we're gonna cut to
Speaker 1: a different take, right, It's like no, So it's like
Speaker 1: just staring at your ja. It's one of those stupid
Speaker 1: television things. It's like, this is why you know people, Um,
Speaker 1: people probably don't understand that there's when you're making a
Speaker 1: TV show, there is a wardrobe or any any content
Speaker 1: there's there. There's always makeup and hair people and wardrobe.
Speaker 1: But on set, so they don't just get you ready
Speaker 1: before you go out to shoot. They are there on
Speaker 1: set just to fix stuff like this, just to make
Speaker 1: sure like a hair isn't fallen in front of your face.
Speaker 1: And it's one of those kind of superficial things. I
Speaker 1: remember I was directing something years ago and the person
Speaker 1: hiring me to direct it was like, we don't need
Speaker 1: a makeup person because we want this to look real.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, you are an amateur, Like
Speaker 1: you don't understand that, like looking real does not mean
Speaker 1: not having makeup. Even if you want things to look
Speaker 1: rugged or real or natural, you need just because otherwise
Speaker 1: the human eye will gravitate towards mistakes or like hairs
Speaker 1: in the face or like all these weird things. And
Speaker 1: so this was a perfect case of like why did
Speaker 1: they use this take? I can't I can't stop looking
Speaker 1: at her jacket. I know it definitely, Yeah, it threw
Speaker 1: me too, but also just not needed in the episode.
Speaker 1: Get me out of here, Get me out of this episode.
Speaker 1: See that's her outfit. Is not what threw me in
Speaker 1: this scene. What threw me in the scene is when
Speaker 1: they're cutting every time to the other angle, there was
Speaker 1: a giant sign behind everyone that said sex. It was
Speaker 1: right above Jessica Jessica's head. Yes, yeah, because it said
Speaker 1: sex ed, but her head was black blocking the edge,
Speaker 1: so it just said sex the whole scene right over
Speaker 1: everybody's shoulder. And I noticed that too. My jacket and
Speaker 1: sex were the two things I noticed. So uh, Now,
Speaker 1: with Tapeca off the list, Dass rights exactly everything was ruined.
Speaker 1: This was the moment Topanga says her daddy is also
Speaker 1: taking her to New York for the weekend to go
Speaker 1: Christmas shopping. And now with Topanga off the list, Corey
Speaker 1: daydreams a popular girl, Alison Cheever, will ask him out,
Speaker 1: but Shan says, says, if a bomb hit the school
Speaker 1: and only Corey survived, she'd probably ask the most popular
Speaker 1: dead guy. And then Sean goes off to class, but
Speaker 1: Corey sticks around to get asked, and then, in an
Speaker 1: almost dream like segment, with so much wind, so much
Speaker 1: much wind, she can't keep her eyes. It was they
Speaker 1: could have toned the wind down by just a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's still would have been good. But there's the exact
Speaker 1: same shot from when we did the slow mo invitation
Speaker 1: hand out thing. It's like yep, down the stairs towards Corey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Corey ends up saying yes to Allison and then
Speaker 1: the dream ends and Ingrid is revealed she is a
Speaker 1: very nerdy girl who has actually asked him out and
Speaker 1: he has now said yes to her. Womp, whomp, oh no,
Speaker 1: oh no, party, that's right, bold st. I have a
Speaker 1: question if anybody notices, because I could be wrong. At
Speaker 1: this point in the episode, there is nothing whatsoever to
Speaker 1: indicate it is a holiday episode. Correct, nothing, No, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Hold on. The Turnaround Dance Flyers have Frosty
Speaker 1: like a snowman, like a Frosty the snowman thing, which
Speaker 1: is actually one of the things I was thinking is
Speaker 1: that maybe mister Turner's tie was somehow Christmas related. Okay,
Speaker 1: so the Turnaround Dance Signs do have a snowman with
Speaker 1: like a with like a Santa hat on or something. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: My take is that this is clearly a script that
Speaker 1: they purchased from outside of the writer's room, and then
Speaker 1: they just Christmas. Ye just sprinkled some Christmas because they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, well, we're right around the holidays and
Speaker 1: we need a Christmas episode. Boom, plug and play. Yep, exactly.
Speaker 1: And also Ben's eventual outfit that he wears with the
Speaker 1: white turtleneck and the green Christmas sweater. Oh geez, is
Speaker 1: that what? I didn't know if they were trying to
Speaker 1: make him look sweet Swedish. Yeah, that's him being Swedish.
Speaker 1: But it's like green Christmas trees. It's like it is
Speaker 1: actually Christmas trees. Also, his shirts are so long. Did
Speaker 1: you guys notice the amount of bulking at the wrist? Yeah? Okay. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we're in the Matthews kitchen. Corey is practicing turning down
Speaker 1: Ingrid blaming a look alike pretending to be him, and
Speaker 1: Alan watches from the stairs. Corey fills his dad in
Speaker 1: and says um and Alan says he needs to go
Speaker 1: with the girl he said yes to, no matter her
Speaker 1: social standing. Corey then ask asks Eric to help him
Speaker 1: get out of the date, but he says he agrees
Speaker 1: with dad and Corey has to go with Ingrid. If
Speaker 1: he bails, all girls will know because they communicate all
Speaker 1: the time, and then they will all hate you. Some
Speaker 1: prop act in here with the red stuff, with the
Speaker 1: red stuff juice, You're like shake, I shook, and then
Speaker 1: I open it and then I put the cap in
Speaker 1: my pocket. Cap and you never as no, of course not.
Speaker 1: We need it for the next weake true professional. Morgan
Speaker 1: walks in and grabs something from the fridge, and Eric
Speaker 1: mentions he likes Amy's chili from the night before, and
Speaker 1: then Amy walks in and is so happy to hear
Speaker 1: Eric liked your chili, proving Eric's point that women are
Speaker 1: in constant communication. But just notice the use of the
Speaker 1: word online. Yes, yes, tomorrow online. It's an East Coast thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't say waiting in line, right, Internet thing? It's not.
Speaker 1: But it's not quite what you're thinking either, Danielle, because
Speaker 1: I don't think he meant that like women are in
Speaker 1: a line. It meant that that they're in a communication network.
Speaker 1: But it predates the Internet in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: Or then I think, so it's sort of like the network.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was super interesting. I was like,
Speaker 1: how does is this being used? This word online is
Speaker 1: being used correctly as if we're sharing it online, but
Speaker 1: he means it completely metaphorically as we create the online
Speaker 1: meets online wed Wow, guys, it was created by Hawkins.
Speaker 1: I can't remember why Will and I had this conversation once.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the album. I don't remember. Then we're
Speaker 1: in mister Turner's classroom at slash the school hallway, mister
Speaker 1: Turner is teaching Shaw's play Pigmalion, and no one in
Speaker 1: class is responding to it. He explains that what you
Speaker 1: can learn from the book is how you act, how
Speaker 1: you speak, and prejudices about class can determine what you
Speaker 1: do in life. You're turning a list of all the
Speaker 1: books and literature referenced on Boymat's world, because it is
Speaker 1: pretty interesting and it is extensive. We've we've done Hamlet
Speaker 1: multiple times, but Pigmalion. I've never read Pigmalion. I've never read. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had to look it up and find some information
Speaker 1: about it. Is the basis for My Fair Lady, so
Speaker 1: that's the more popular version of it. But Pygmalion is
Speaker 1: a play from the early twentieth century. Um and it's
Speaker 1: taking someone ugly and making them better looking. No, it's
Speaker 1: taking somebody unrefined and teaching them. And you're trying to
Speaker 1: get into it, and neither of you have read it.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me what it's about. Let's read it and
Speaker 1: then yes, I would love to write. Okay, it's dressing
Speaker 1: DiCaprio in and bringing him to the captain's table in Titanic.
Speaker 1: That's PIGMAILI, so, well, you're original. Pigmailian myth is that
Speaker 1: a guy makes a statue and then it comes to life,
Speaker 1: like he makes the perfect woman out of us, like marble,
Speaker 1: and then that statue comes to life and he marries it.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, of course by okay stilling it. And once again,
Speaker 1: nobody's read the book. No, It's kind of every episode
Speaker 1: is like, here's the book. What nobody's read it? Come on,
Speaker 1: let me tell you what it's about. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: some of these some of these kids got to read
Speaker 1: the book eventually, you'd think. Speaking of Tony does say
Speaker 1: his stallone. Yeah, mister Turner says, what if I walked
Speaker 1: into class one day and said, hey, how you doing.
Speaker 1: I'll miss the Turner and I'm going to be learning
Speaker 1: you skuys some good English? What would we only think
Speaker 1: of him that far off from how he first came
Speaker 1: into the show. It's like, it's like, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: a couple degrees, But I feel like the correct response
Speaker 1: would have been like, well you kind of did, buddy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we could have said that. Yeah. Sean says he thinks
Speaker 1: he'd actually have a shot of getting an A and
Speaker 1: Turner explains how you speak and how you look can
Speaker 1: affect people's perceptions of who you are. And then the
Speaker 1: bell rings and I bolt out, like the flash, I'm
Speaker 1: the fastest I've ever been in my entire life. There
Speaker 1: the show that week, did you have like, Oh, I
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta go do home improvement exactly? Sean says
Speaker 1: he figured out how to make Corey's date with Ingrid work,
Speaker 1: changing her to make her cool. It's all here in
Speaker 1: the pig play, which it was funny. I said, I
Speaker 1: love dumb Sean. I really like dumb Sean the way
Speaker 1: he is in this episode, if that makes sense, the
Speaker 1: way I've been in other episodes. I'm like like over,
Speaker 1: but this was. I thought this was fun, Like this
Speaker 1: just makes sense, like this creates the dynamic. I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like I was pushing it too hard. It's yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I agree, there's this This was. I love this episode.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really good. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: good episode, not like super funny. But that's why. That
Speaker 1: is the one thing I thought. I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know that I laughed a whole lot, but
Speaker 1: I was. I was super engaged and I liked that
Speaker 1: it had a great flow. Um, it felt really nice.
Speaker 1: I felt comfort yeah, and it's yeah, it felt warm
Speaker 1: and fuzzy and all the right ways. It was a
Speaker 1: good and great moments for all of the adults, Like
Speaker 1: all of the adults had their own kind of things
Speaker 1: going on by themselves, and it was great. I loved it.
Speaker 1: I think sometimes, you know, our storylines boy Mets World
Speaker 1: in general, but what I've noticed with season two, they
Speaker 1: kind of get a little convoluted, Like yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: it's like six too many ideas, or it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: one turn and then it turns, and then it turns
Speaker 1: and then it and it's like I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like we're twisting us, Like when we talk about the
Speaker 1: Turner Phenee dynamics, they get twisted in knots too many times,
Speaker 1: so you're like I've lost track of like who's supposed
Speaker 1: to win this argument or or how I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: feel about it. Whereas this felt very straightforward and yet
Speaker 1: still had like you know with Ingrid, especially you know,
Speaker 1: like her like little zingers at the end, and she
Speaker 1: still kind of walks away and screws Cory over. But
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like we had gone through too many
Speaker 1: storylines to get there. It was just like, oh, we
Speaker 1: went through the kind of predictable thing, but we did
Speaker 1: it well and we still got it, so it wasn't
Speaker 1: It didn't feel predictable, didn't feel so easy, And like
Speaker 1: with the Turner Phoenie stuff here, it felt effortless, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're still jabbing each other, they still change each other.
Speaker 1: It's just enough. I don't know, it felt very straightforward
Speaker 1: and contained. It just felt tight. Yeah. Yeah. And the
Speaker 1: and the fact that the three of you guys were
Speaker 1: now together and each having your own storylines and we
Speaker 1: knew exactly who you were and we didn't need a
Speaker 1: lot of like backstory to figure it out. I agree
Speaker 1: it was great, which became a thing because I think
Speaker 1: the opening title sequence of season three is just the
Speaker 1: three of us are like playing cool at Chubbies, and
Speaker 1: it's like they were trying to focus the show in
Speaker 1: a different way, and this is kind of seemed like
Speaker 1: the genesis of that. Yeah, well, since the boys don't
Speaker 1: know what's cool, Sean says his date Becky, can give
Speaker 1: Ingrid the makeover. Then in the hallway, mister Turner asks
Speaker 1: miss Tompkins what she's doing over the weekend, and she
Speaker 1: tells him she's chaperoning the dance, but she still doesn't
Speaker 1: ask him. He's bugging out, And then we are in
Speaker 1: the Matthew's kitchen, Corey and Sean are picking what Ingrid
Speaker 1: should look like from magazines. Corey gives a picture to
Speaker 1: Morgan to run upstairs to Becky and Ingrid. Which this
Speaker 1: is very weird science, yes, isn't it? Yeah, like that,
Speaker 1: and it makes me so uncomfortable. This whole idea of
Speaker 1: like piecing together the perfect girl like weird science, just
Speaker 1: ages horrifically. I don't know. It's such a good movie though,
Speaker 1: it's such a good concept for a movie. But it's
Speaker 1: such a good movie. No, dude, you're just such a
Speaker 1: child at the age. It's a great it's a great,
Speaker 1: great movie. Yes it is. Oh, it's a great, great movie.
Speaker 1: A movie. It's it's it's about but it's it's a
Speaker 1: great movie. The characters are so there's the characters are
Speaker 1: so charactery and ridiculous and amazing that it's, oh god,
Speaker 1: it's I disagree hundred percent. It's great film, great film. Well,
Speaker 1: in this case, at least I agree with you writer
Speaker 1: that it's that it doesn't age very well. But the
Speaker 1: great news is that Amy walks up and says these
Speaker 1: aren't even good representations of women, they're unrealistic portrayals. And
Speaker 1: then she asks where they got these, and Corey says
Speaker 1: from the magazines on your nightstands, which which is great, great,
Speaker 1: just a great thing. And then Amy becomes nervous and says,
Speaker 1: you didn't open the drawer, did you? Great joke, A
Speaker 1: great joke. It's a great joke. I mean it brought
Speaker 1: back some of the stuff we had talked about where
Speaker 1: you know, really no kids understand that joke at all.
Speaker 1: It goes right over the head. You don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about even a kid picking up on like hey,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Like you know, just it's just
Speaker 1: like okay, no, I don't know when the draw or whatever.
Speaker 1: But it's such a great joke for adults. So you're
Speaker 1: really funny. Really, I have a question, do you think
Speaker 1: that the fact that it wasn't Corey and like they
Speaker 1: easily could have done the scene where it's Corey and
Speaker 1: Sean pulling out the dresses and trying to dress her
Speaker 1: up and hear something, but they didn't. They made it
Speaker 1: where it was the the female character who was kind
Speaker 1: of up there in charge of everything. Do you think
Speaker 1: that softened it at all a little bit that it wasn't,
Speaker 1: you know, because it could have it could have been
Speaker 1: a lot weirder. I thought if it was like, well
Speaker 1: here in very sitcom, for it to be like Coorey
Speaker 1: and Sean like try this dress, you know, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good point. I I actually really miss I feel
Speaker 1: like there's a missing scene between the last one and
Speaker 1: this one, which is the scene where we talked to
Speaker 1: Ingrid about right yeah, And I was really uncomfortable with
Speaker 1: the lack of sort of understanding of what we're like
Speaker 1: conversation with It's like she is literally a prop that
Speaker 1: we are dressing, right Obviously, by the end of the episode,
Speaker 1: it saved like she even want a scene. She says,
Speaker 1: I want to be popular, which to me, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm totally obviously I'm cool. At the same point,
Speaker 1: and the show the show that like in a lot,
Speaker 1: like like a lot of Boy Meets World episode, a
Speaker 1: lot of Boy Mets World second season episodes, it does
Speaker 1: arrive somewhere that I think is really nice and nuanced,
Speaker 1: but it kind of in getting there, you're like and
Speaker 1: for me, even after the end of the episode, I
Speaker 1: really wish there had been a scene with Ingrid right
Speaker 1: and Becky, I guess where we sort of just discussed
Speaker 1: the plan or we all are on the same page.
Speaker 1: Because the way that this scene is laid out, it's
Speaker 1: I don't know, you're not sure how they Yeah, you're not.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. This scene made me feel a
Speaker 1: little icky, and I think that's exactly what it was,
Speaker 1: is that you're not sure whether or not there, how
Speaker 1: they're feeling when they come down the stairs, Like you
Speaker 1: get Becky, you get kind of Becky's into it because
Speaker 1: she comes down, she's like really performative, she's excited to introduce.
Speaker 1: But then Ingrid comes down and you're a little like,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about this? Yeah? And then I
Speaker 1: miss her, which is like made it even worse, and
Speaker 1: I was like, uh, but yeah, again, I think that
Speaker 1: that's in some ways good, that the path is right,
Speaker 1: you know. I think it's supposed to make you feel that.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to a little bit because when she
Speaker 1: grabs him and says I want to be popular, I
Speaker 1: was like, that's great. Yeah, that's on board with this. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you get where it's like, look, I know this
Speaker 1: might sound weird, but if we make you cool, yes,
Speaker 1: make me cool? Yes? Please? Yeah, that would be it
Speaker 1: and you'd be on board then for everything totally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And in fact, having to ask her is an awkward scene,
Speaker 1: which would have been great awkwardness for Corey and you know,
Speaker 1: like like having to know how to get her. How
Speaker 1: are we going to sell this to her? And then
Speaker 1: he tries to sell it and it doesn't work, and
Speaker 1: then he just is honest and then she's on board.
Speaker 1: Like that would have been a great scene, like now
Speaker 1: could I pay for the Animal's Advocate? Is she supposed
Speaker 1: to be the statue from Pygmalion? So the statue didn't
Speaker 1: choose to be carved so but in the play a
Speaker 1: play in the play, apparently the girl does actively pursue.
Speaker 1: She does, okay, okay, got you got you got? She says,
Speaker 1: we gotta read it. Yeah, we gotta do it. New podcast.
Speaker 1: Uh Ingrid comes down looking pretty, but Sean isn't impressed. No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't work. Corey thinks she looks gorgeous, but Sean
Speaker 1: says she just looks pretty, but cool is more than looks.
Speaker 1: It's a feel. Sean is looking for someone more exotic,
Speaker 1: like in the magazines, you need to have an exotic
Speaker 1: foreign name, and Ingrid says her family is from Sweden alcohols.
Speaker 1: Did you guys notice that? Yeah, well it was such
Speaker 1: a such a high level joke. It was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I only knew like one of them.
Speaker 1: But then I was like, Amaretto, but I don't know
Speaker 1: what I think one was. Wait, which ones did you say?
Speaker 1: I think he was like Frangelic something. I think it's
Speaker 1: an It's an alcoholic, Like, oh, this is such a
Speaker 1: subtle like this is Sean's reference points are like what
Speaker 1: his mom keeps on the shelf. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: that's so funny. So Sean starts a freaking out about this.
Speaker 1: He asks if they have nude beaches there, and Ingrid
Speaker 1: says yes, And then Sean has a plan to make
Speaker 1: both Ingrid and Corey very popular. And then Sean and
Speaker 1: Becky are talking to people in the hallway about Ingrid's
Speaker 1: family being from swed and in Sweden they sunbathe in
Speaker 1: the nude. Actually they do everything in the nude. Okay,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things in all of life, but
Speaker 1: is fake bad acting. I just there's nothing I love
Speaker 1: more than than than than doing it, than like being
Speaker 1: asked to be a bad actor and then watching good
Speaker 1: actors be bad actors. Yeah, we used to do this
Speaker 1: all the time on board, you guys, remember we used
Speaker 1: to do there's a there's there's the scene from the
Speaker 1: movie Parenthood where the kids mess up the lines and
Speaker 1: then they're on stage. They're like little five year olds
Speaker 1: on stage. Yeah, and the line is the line is
Speaker 1: you know they're not they're they're stolen away, and then
Speaker 1: the teachers whispering they're not stolen, they're put away. And
Speaker 1: I think as actors, you just gravitate towards loving bad actors.
Speaker 1: I love Boogie Nights for this reason when they do
Speaker 1: like they're all these amazing actors, Julianne Moore and then
Speaker 1: the second she's on camera in her porn movie, she
Speaker 1: becomes the worst porn actor you've ever seen. And uh,
Speaker 1: and what's his name? Doing bad singing when he has
Speaker 1: to you know, feel feel feel you got you got
Speaker 1: the touch? Oh, I just like and so when I
Speaker 1: saw this, I was died. I was like this is
Speaker 1: so great, And I honestly don't really remember this this
Speaker 1: actress who plays Becky. I remember, like when I saw
Speaker 1: her face, it was like, of course, but I don't
Speaker 1: remember her name or like really hanging out with her.
Speaker 1: But I just love that she brought it for this
Speaker 1: moment because I just think, like, the bad acting thing
Speaker 1: is so fun. Yes, and there Ricky, Yeah, absolutely, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, So I texted the guys last night
Speaker 1: because I knew Ricky looked familiar to me, but I
Speaker 1: didn't remember that his name was Ricky or that that
Speaker 1: was Ricky. And Ricky looks a lot like Speck. Do
Speaker 1: you guys remember spec Ye. Speck was a third teacher
Speaker 1: they brought in later who helped me with me, a
Speaker 1: maths brought in for Ben and Danielle, and he worked
Speaker 1: with me for a little bit but not but he
Speaker 1: was a math tutor. Yeah, David Speck, David Spack. We
Speaker 1: called him Spec And I thought maybe it was I thought,
Speaker 1: so I thought maybe Ricky was Speck. But then I
Speaker 1: also thought maybe Ricky was Noose because we had talked
Speaker 1: about the background actor or Noose whose real name was
Speaker 1: you just learned Michelle Michel, So I then texted the
Speaker 1: group and he said a noose or speck and then
Speaker 1: either neither one. It's Ricky. So anyway, I was a
Speaker 1: very close friend of mine. Like I said, he taught me.
Speaker 1: He taught me to play D and D. He lived
Speaker 1: with the We did theater together back when I was
Speaker 1: like before. I think we did theater together before I
Speaker 1: did LAMI. So I knew Ricky when I was eight
Speaker 1: years old. Weren't really in touch anymore. I know. He
Speaker 1: teaches in Hawaii. He's an acting he teaches acting in
Speaker 1: a way. He's a big theater guy. He went to
Speaker 1: the Idlewild School for the Arts, which I always wanted
Speaker 1: to go to. It's a boarding school in Idlewild, which
Speaker 1: is mountain town up in um right outside of Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: And I always wanted to go to school there because
Speaker 1: all they do is acting, dancing, and music and you
Speaker 1: live there in the woods. It's like a dream come true.
Speaker 1: But they wouldn't let you go if you were also
Speaker 1: a professional actor, Like you couldn't while go in there.
Speaker 1: So I but I was like always my dream, like
Speaker 1: we can live in the woods and just do acting
Speaker 1: was perfect for you. Now you'd just be like I
Speaker 1: just want the woods part. I don't need the acting part.
Speaker 1: I just want Well, now I want to go teach there,
Speaker 1: so if you're listening, that would be so fun. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Yeah. Well, then Ingrid walks down the hall
Speaker 1: in traditional Swedish garb and everyone is looking at her
Speaker 1: and says she's so cool. Will Estes wonders why she's dressed,
Speaker 1: and Sean says that underneath the clothes she's nude. Three
Speaker 1: great fun. I literally wrote, I love dumb Sean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I know. It's so great, it's awesome. And
Speaker 1: then when Sean is asked if they're buying it, he says,
Speaker 1: oh jaw, which I then remembered of course, you guys
Speaker 1: saying this week. Uh. And then we are in the
Speaker 1: school cafeteria. Sean tells mister Feeney that it was him
Speaker 1: and Corey that changed English. Look, where's Topanga? That would
Speaker 1: have been a great scene for Topanga to be shouldn't
Speaker 1: have been in this episode. It was waste of paying
Speaker 1: for me, right, Yeah, we just thought have been nice
Speaker 1: to have a chapanga perspective. Because you called you could
Speaker 1: have also called us out on like like why aren't
Speaker 1: you Becky like helping dress out, you know, like like
Speaker 1: it could have easily been to Panga, because then we
Speaker 1: could have had you sort of calling us out for
Speaker 1: like being sexist and treating her like a doll or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, you could have said all these things and
Speaker 1: we could have had those conversations and have it out
Speaker 1: and still done the stuffy like had the same storyline,
Speaker 1: but had a little bit of perspective, which would have
Speaker 1: been what we would do later, you know, by fifth season.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what would have happened. And they could have
Speaker 1: changed the comedy up where it would have been Danielle
Speaker 1: saying like, you know, this is sexist and blah blah
Speaker 1: them and I hate the shoes like that. It would
Speaker 1: do stuff like that where it would be really funny,
Speaker 1: but it would still be her kind of thing, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: time Machine. Yeah. I guess it's mostly because they had
Speaker 1: probably I was my contract was like guaranteed thirteen out
Speaker 1: of twenty one, so they were paying me anyway, and
Speaker 1: they were like, let's plus you plug me in, and
Speaker 1: then they maybe they didn't want to pay it to
Speaker 1: be one of the cool girls, so they didn't want
Speaker 1: me to be a part of that group, so I
Speaker 1: had to be out of town. I don't know um anyway.
Speaker 1: Phoene then corrects Sean's grammar and says Corey and I,
Speaker 1: to which Sean says, great. Now everyone wants to take
Speaker 1: credit and again it's just another opportunity for dumb Sean
Speaker 1: and it's it's just so funny. Also, Corey in that
Speaker 1: winter sweater and that white turtleneck is quite a look.
Speaker 1: He's trying to be Swedish, right, is that what's happening?
Speaker 1: That's all? But I actually think Corey should have been
Speaker 1: dressing like this more often. I like it. Actually, if
Speaker 1: you think about Corey's character, that he would like want
Speaker 1: to be a little like nice are put together in
Speaker 1: a sort of like old old man way makes sense, yeah,
Speaker 1: and like yeah, he just so desperately wants to be
Speaker 1: cool though, and as the character on the show, but
Speaker 1: you're right, that's what he would naturally gravitate toward. That
Speaker 1: would probably have been in So Corey invited Ingrid and
Speaker 1: her friends to his house for a pre dance Smorgesborg,
Speaker 1: but Ingrid says she needs to talk to Corey alone.
Speaker 1: Ingrid tells Corey she can't go to the dance with
Speaker 1: him anymore because she's cool now and Rick Lawler. She
Speaker 1: asked Rick Lawler to the dance instead, Ingrid thanks Corey
Speaker 1: for his help, and he is very deflated. She leaves
Speaker 1: and gives him a kiss on the cheek. Sean comes
Speaker 1: over and says, well, just heard what happened, and he's
Speaker 1: tapped into the women's network, which is a really funny
Speaker 1: runner we get from the rest of the episode. It's
Speaker 1: a great runner though, So it's a great runner. But
Speaker 1: Ryder comes over and says, so, hey, you know, I
Speaker 1: just hear you got dumped, and for some reason, Ben
Speaker 1: takes a really long pause before saying it just happened.
Speaker 1: Oh really, there's kind of a weird like he was
Speaker 1: waiting for a camera move or something, but it was
Speaker 1: like an unnatural amount of time before he actually throws
Speaker 1: the joke back. It was really bizarre, Like, wow, that
Speaker 1: was funny. Strangely long pause. I didn't notice it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's weird, it's funny. Well, justice Corey is set with
Speaker 1: being average and dateless. Allison comes up to Corey and
Speaker 1: asks him to the dance. Corey first make sure this
Speaker 1: is real that Sean sees her too, and then says
Speaker 1: yes and hugs her legs in the most desperate hug
Speaker 1: of all time. And then we're in the Matthews living room.
Speaker 1: Alan and Amy are decorating the Christmas tree. Eric comes
Speaker 1: down to wait for his date to come to the door,
Speaker 1: but she just honks from her car and he feels cheap,
Speaker 1: but he also kind of likes it. It's a great
Speaker 1: creep and that's why I saw the Christmas tree. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Christmas episode, right, Christmas, there's Christmas tree.
Speaker 1: Guess we're doing a holiday episode that's the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like okay, And then Eric calls for Corey as
Speaker 1: rides leaving. Corey comes down to leave for the dance,
Speaker 1: and Alan quickly pushes Corey out the door so that
Speaker 1: he and Amy can be alone. They sit on the
Speaker 1: couch ready to drink wine and eat cheese, and he
Speaker 1: starts massaging her shoulders. And then we're at the Turnaround dance.
Speaker 1: Corey walks in with Alison. I mean, just I know
Speaker 1: we've hit this a bunch, but like, I just love
Speaker 1: Rusty and Betsy being clear great. I know, talk about
Speaker 1: the adults stuff in this episode, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of little asides between the adults. That were great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all the adults in this episode had a lot of
Speaker 1: fun stuff that is relatable to all of us olds. Now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So Corey walks in with Alison, but then Alison thanks
Speaker 1: him for bringing her and she starts to walk off.
Speaker 1: Alison says she's dating Danny, but her parents won't let
Speaker 1: her go out with ninth graders, so she needed Corey
Speaker 1: to physically take her to the dance, and then he
Speaker 1: stops her from giving him another pity kiss on the cheek.
Speaker 1: Sean immediately comes over to say he just heard what happened.
Speaker 1: Did you see the girl in the background. No, No,
Speaker 1: there's a great group of kids in the background. So
Speaker 1: they're like towards the door. So it's when they're cutting too.
Speaker 1: I think it's Corey's close up, and it's like three
Speaker 1: of the four people decided we're going to be the
Speaker 1: group just standing here having a conversation, and one of
Speaker 1: them went, no, I'm going to be at the dance
Speaker 1: in the middle of the conversation, and there's one just
Speaker 1: dancing it up. Of the three, it is the great
Speaker 1: It's like they all got different direction and it was phenomenal.
Speaker 1: It was great. So I think this is the moment
Speaker 1: when Sean says he heard what happened, and Corey says
Speaker 1: the women's new work, and he goes, no, I was
Speaker 1: just standing right here, which is really funny. And then
Speaker 1: Sewan says he's gonna go get punch and cookies. And
Speaker 1: then mister Feeney is lecturing missus Tompkins and mister Turner
Speaker 1: to behave even though they were just talking. Miss Tompkins
Speaker 1: admits she didn't ask mister Turner out all week because
Speaker 1: she wanted to watch him squirm. She told the Girls Network, though,
Speaker 1: not to ask him out, so she had it covered.
Speaker 1: Miss Tompkins eventually asks him to dance. Actually, that's not
Speaker 1: what happens. He completely hints to her that he wants
Speaker 1: to go dance, and she finally says, are you saying
Speaker 1: you want to go dance? And yeah, which is They
Speaker 1: were great in this scene, like the way they played
Speaker 1: off each other and him like setting yeah that like
Speaker 1: maybe we could look different directions and she's like, you
Speaker 1: want to dance? Yes? Yes, remember together did more than
Speaker 1: one episode. I'm glad she did. She was great, She's great.
Speaker 1: I really yeah, I liked it. I thought Tony was
Speaker 1: the best he's been in this episode. I mean, this was, like,
Speaker 1: I think, the best mister Turner I've seen. I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree, relaxed and really relaxed and casual. And I
Speaker 1: think also there was a little less um like we
Speaker 1: talked about with the Phoene stuff, there was less of
Speaker 1: the um. They they kind of dropped the idea that
Speaker 1: he's scared of mister Phoenie at all, and now they
Speaker 1: are just contemporaries. And so even the way they interact
Speaker 1: with each other makes him feel like he's aye more
Speaker 1: in a playful way. And maybe he has this playful
Speaker 1: relationship with her, and he has a playful relationship with
Speaker 1: the students. So it's just kind of that fun mister
Speaker 1: Turner instead of there being any anxiety like anxiousness around him.
Speaker 1: It was really great. I thought it felt really good.
Speaker 1: So Ingrid then comes over to Corey and she is
Speaker 1: soaking wet covered in its howel all the cool kids
Speaker 1: were talking about jumping in the pool, but then Ingrid
Speaker 1: actually jumped in. She didn't know that that wasn't cool
Speaker 1: to actually jump jump in as a story beat, Like,
Speaker 1: I just think it's so great in a weird way,
Speaker 1: I kind of wish that that this was a Topanga
Speaker 1: storyline or like, because that's like a really endearing, cool moment,
Speaker 1: like and I think that there's truth to that, right,
Speaker 1: Like here's the kids who just talk about it, and
Speaker 1: then there's like somebody who's like, okay, and take some
Speaker 1: for safe based value, and I'm going to do it,
Speaker 1: and then everybody makes fun of them for it. Why
Speaker 1: I love that idea. And and you know, obviously Ingrid's
Speaker 1: only here for the one episode. Natania was only there,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't last. But I really like that that's
Speaker 1: such a that could be such a great bonding character
Speaker 1: moment for Corey and somebody. Um In a weird way,
Speaker 1: I feel it was kind of a bummer that that
Speaker 1: good of a story beat was wasted on this, like right,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's you know, immediately gets reverted where
Speaker 1: she's like, you know, leaves him to us the second
Speaker 1: a guy comes. That didn't but that that through me.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a big I know why they did it,
Speaker 1: but that's where I literally wrote down, like, oh man,
Speaker 1: that was such a nice scene between her and Corey,
Speaker 1: like they're apologizing to each other and they're no, and
Speaker 1: then and she's like yeah, and as I know, she
Speaker 1: really she you know, and she she takes this character
Speaker 1: all the way through, right, I mean she has to
Speaker 1: play the sort of like nerd like over the top
Speaker 1: glasses pigtails thing in the beginning, and then she really
Speaker 1: inhabits this every version of this character she inhabits really well.
Speaker 1: And that it's a nice scene, and it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of you know, it is interesting, like we've seen this
Speaker 1: a lot this season. They bring in a girl for
Speaker 1: Corey for one episode and then it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: continued because of that Topanga girl. No, it's just interesting
Speaker 1: that you know, they weren't obviously, they weren't ready to
Speaker 1: really like have Sean have storylines with a girl, which
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it was still so much about Corey
Speaker 1: that every every guest star that's going to have this
Speaker 1: intense of a storyline or this much of an arc
Speaker 1: has to be with Corey. When you know, I think
Speaker 1: later we start spreading those storylines out, so like Eric
Speaker 1: has girl girls say he's dating you know, better hopefully
Speaker 1: more developed than Desiree or whatever her name was. And
Speaker 1: then you know, Sean obviously has relationships, so but we're
Speaker 1: still in this like zone where we have to like
Speaker 1: put to Benga an old Brian the cool character, create
Speaker 1: this awesome storyline and then just bail onset and throw
Speaker 1: it away. Yeah yeah, And I do think how maybe
Speaker 1: this episode, like you guys said, was maybe the impetus
Speaker 1: for trying to get all of what happens in season
Speaker 1: three where they try to get you guys together a lot.
Speaker 1: It also, to writer's point, is a good this is
Speaker 1: a good episode for that where it's like, what's the
Speaker 1: storyline with Eric's state, what's the storyline with Sean's date,
Speaker 1: what's the storyline with Corey's date? And in this episode, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: there wasn't room. It was so focused on Corey's date.
Speaker 1: But late in later we can write episodes about all
Speaker 1: of your different relationships. It doesn't have to just focus
Speaker 1: around the world of Corey. But when you're still a
Speaker 1: newer show that's a success, it's a little hard to
Speaker 1: like break out of that mold and do now we're
Speaker 1: going to do an whole episode about Shawn's relationship. But
Speaker 1: what this is the show about Corey? And you get
Speaker 1: you get the network and the studio and all the
Speaker 1: people kind of point making that note, can this be
Speaker 1: about Corey? So yeah, you know, moving forward, we kind
Speaker 1: of we kind of branch out. So Ingrid says her
Speaker 1: her contacts fell out, and then Corey helps her put
Speaker 1: her glasses on so she can see, and Ingrid's date
Speaker 1: left with the popular kids. Corey apologizes to Ingrid for
Speaker 1: changing her into a cool kid, and then she apologizes
Speaker 1: for dumping him, even though she knows his intentions were selfish.
Speaker 1: Corey thinks they probably would have had fun if they
Speaker 1: had just come to the dances themselves, and then Ingrid
Speaker 1: leaves with another guy to dance who thought her jumping
Speaker 1: into the pool was cool, and I wondered if you know,
Speaker 1: I know you. We talked about whether or not we
Speaker 1: were a little bummed that she kind of just like
Speaker 1: threw it away even though they had this nice moment.
Speaker 1: But it's also kind of commentary on um, when you
Speaker 1: don't have a friend like Sean, what who would Cory
Speaker 1: be if he didn't have a Sean? Right? She founding
Speaker 1: around from social group to social group, chasing status constantly,
Speaker 1: instead of someone saying, you just be Cory and I'll
Speaker 1: just be Sean and that's all we need, and so
Speaker 1: she doesn't have that in this moment. I mean it's
Speaker 1: not not even just Sean, but Eric too. Like when
Speaker 1: the three of them sit down at this table together,
Speaker 1: it was so comforting. It was I remember this scene,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to sit there at that table.
Speaker 1: I want to be a part of that table. Character. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me too felt the same way. Yeah, it felt. It
Speaker 1: felt really good to see the three of us sitting
Speaker 1: there together. It did. It was like even in story
Speaker 1: him saying, yeah, you take a picture of us. Twenty
Speaker 1: years from now, we'll talk about We'll just say our
Speaker 1: dates were in the bathroom. And I thought, those those
Speaker 1: are the things, because that's exactly what life is. Take
Speaker 1: the picture because in twenty years you won't remember the
Speaker 1: date stories, but you will remember those friendships and those moments,
Speaker 1: and those are going to be the things that means
Speaker 1: something to you. Um. And so it did. It was
Speaker 1: just everything you guys said. It's so. It was comforting
Speaker 1: and warm, and I loved it and I wish we
Speaker 1: had more of it. I wanted I just want to
Speaker 1: see that. Um. And then Shan woks up again, saying
Speaker 1: he heard about Corey and Ingrid and his date is
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. Corey asks if it was the Women's Network,
Speaker 1: and Shawn says, no, I was standing right here, so
Speaker 1: it was the Okay. This is the moment where he
Speaker 1: says that yeah, yeah, the runner pays off in the end. No,
Speaker 1: I was just standing right here, which is so cute.
Speaker 1: And then Eric wanders by shocked that Corey was dumped
Speaker 1: three times at the dance, but then admits his date's
Speaker 1: old boyfriend came back into town, so she he doesn't
Speaker 1: have a date either. Corey, Eric and Shawn take a
Speaker 1: group picture to remember the dance and if twenty year
Speaker 1: and in twenty years, if anyone asks, their dates were
Speaker 1: all in the bathroom. And then the picture of you
Speaker 1: guys appears on screen and I love that you have
Speaker 1: to say dumped, dumped, and Sean says, you know, geez,
Speaker 1: and the picture how the episodes of Boy's World end,
Speaker 1: and then how many episodes end in freeze frame that
Speaker 1: turns into a picture. I'm genuinely curious. This is like no,
Speaker 1: I mean, and then I love that it's this happy
Speaker 1: Holidays from Boy. It's like so um meta, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just really really interesting, like and and it takes
Speaker 1: you back to the network television days, right, like when
Speaker 1: it was just going to air once and you aired
Speaker 1: it on this date to say happy Holidays from our show.
Speaker 1: It was like sort of message into the television waves
Speaker 1: like it just doesn't this doesn't happen anymore, you know,
Speaker 1: and it sho so nice. It's just such a nice,
Speaker 1: warm blanket of sitcom. Yeah and again, but for something
Speaker 1: that at the end of the day had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the holidays at all. Not a holiday dance. No,
Speaker 1: it was just regular show. Put up a Christmas tree.
Speaker 1: Happy Holidays, that's all. Kin kind of like it too.
Speaker 1: I like it all holiday beamed stuff. I'm such a
Speaker 1: socker for that stuff like that. I just love Christmas
Speaker 1: lighting and I love it all so for me, Like
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, this feels warm and fuzzy. I like,
Speaker 1: I'll take it for me too, me too. I love it.
Speaker 1: So we end the show in the Matthews living room.
Speaker 1: Eric and Corey return home from the dance and see
Speaker 1: that Alan and Amy fell asleep in the same shoulder
Speaker 1: massaging position when the kids left. Eric steals a cookie
Speaker 1: from their wine plate and throws it at Alan. He
Speaker 1: realizes he was massaging her for six hours and that's
Speaker 1: the end of our episode. Oh man, um, really really
Speaker 1: fun episode. I feel like we've really hit a great
Speaker 1: groove of episodes me too. We've had a row now
Speaker 1: that are that are great. Yeah, I I'm loving season
Speaker 1: two now. And I'll tell you I didn't think I
Speaker 1: was going to say that, miss and I missed it
Speaker 1: again for this episode. It's been a few now. I
Speaker 1: feel like I am starting to miss the Poenie wisdom
Speaker 1: a little bit. He's just he's he's Bill's not in
Speaker 1: it as much as he was. So other than that,
Speaker 1: I think we're all starting to hit our groove. I
Speaker 1: think we're starting to partner up the way we're supposed to.
Speaker 1: I think the writing's really crisp. But I'm kind of
Speaker 1: going like, starting Miss Fenie a little bit, starting Miss
Speaker 1: Phenie a little bit. He's not a defence hasn't been
Speaker 1: a defence line anymore in a little while. He hasn't,
Speaker 1: you know, the classroom is we haven't had the boy's
Speaker 1: bedroom for a long time either. That set was already
Speaker 1: gone because I mean, obviously when you're changing, like she
Speaker 1: could have been coming out of the bathroom in the
Speaker 1: boy's bedroom. But the fact the Wolf wasn't that long
Speaker 1: and Corey Wolf was the last one, right, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a couple three or four episodes. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: three or four two o eight and we're on two twelve,
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, it has been a while. But I'm
Speaker 1: starting to miss Phenie a little bit. That makes sense.
Speaker 1: You're right, I can see really come back as strong
Speaker 1: as he did, though I don't know. I think maybe
Speaker 1: that first season is kind of that was the pinnacle
Speaker 1: of Poenie. You know, he and then he's there and
Speaker 1: he's always a presence. But will he have those kinds
Speaker 1: of like he's actually changing the storyline or engaging with
Speaker 1: the central the a story to that degree. The only
Speaker 1: thing I'm wondering is when they get a horrible way
Speaker 1: to say it, but when they get rid of Tony's
Speaker 1: character and get rid of Alex's character and Bill is
Speaker 1: once again the only teacher teacher, maybe they bring it
Speaker 1: back then, But by that point four or five is
Speaker 1: that when, yeah, so does he become the teacher again
Speaker 1: in high school. I've never seen the show. I can't
Speaker 1: I honestly don't remember. Oh hear send all your emails
Speaker 1: directly to Daniel Fishell. But he's the dean of the college.
Speaker 1: I'm right, but I can't remember if he's just stays
Speaker 1: the principle or if he becomes the teacher again, I
Speaker 1: have no idea. Well, no, he's the principal at this
Speaker 1: high school, and this high school is all with your
Speaker 1: high school. So yeah, we don't change, so he doesn't go.
Speaker 1: I don't think he needs I don't think he becomes.
Speaker 1: Although we did see him teaching us last week, right
Speaker 1: or two episodes ago. Yeah, yeah, he teaches the class too. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm wonderfu'll see that more. Well. Join us for our
Speaker 1: next episode, season two, episode thirteen, Serano, which originally aired
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