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Speaker 1: Welcome back in. We are rolling through the Monday edition

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. I've got some fun to

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Speaker 1: discuss with you at the end of the hour. My

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Speaker 1: good friend Jesse Kelly Balding, radio host in the evenings here,

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Speaker 1: has taken issue with my haircut. Some of you are

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Speaker 1: really big fans of the haircut. I got an email

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Speaker 1: from a nice woman who said, Clay, I tuned in

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Speaker 1: to the Clay and Buck VIP because I'd heard you

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Speaker 1: talking about how bad your haircut was, and I think

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Speaker 1: she said it looked fabulous. And I have to track

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Speaker 1: down that email to respond to these attacks that are

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Speaker 1: rolling in on a regular basis ever since I got

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Speaker 1: that haircut from the barber on the street in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. While I was up visiting colleges with my

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Speaker 1: sixteen year old. Good thing about my hair, I'll just

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Speaker 1: point out to Jesse Kelly Balding, afternoon radio host, evening

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Speaker 1: radio show host on this network, unlike a Balding man,

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Speaker 1: my hair will grow back. But we will discuss this

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Speaker 1: a bit later in the meantime. Caroline Lovett, who's going

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Speaker 1: to join us at the top of the third hour

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Speaker 1: of the program. Caroline Levitt canceled by CNN. They ended

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Speaker 1: the interview and they said, you're not allowed to even

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Speaker 1: discuss Jake Tapper and Dana Bash calling Donald Trump on

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Speaker 1: a regular basis comparing him to Adolph Hitler and the

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Speaker 1: Nazi regime. They've made that a staple of their broadcasting careers,

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Speaker 1: and so it's fair to ask whether or not they

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Speaker 1: can be fair moderators. And some of you out there again,

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Speaker 1: I'm blown up. Oh he should never be doing this.

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Speaker 1: He's going into the lions. Then he knows it. I

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Speaker 1: actually think though, it's super smart strategy of Caroline to

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Speaker 1: call out the bias in advance, because it may dial

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Speaker 1: back the bias just a little bit because now everyone

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Speaker 1: is attuned to the fact that Jake Tapper and Dana

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Speaker 1: Bash are regularly attacking Donald Trump. We played the audio

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Speaker 1: for you already, but I wanted to play you throwback style.

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Speaker 1: This is the story on this for those of you

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Speaker 1: who haven't heard this. In September of twenty seventeen, I

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Speaker 1: went on CNN to talk about my belief that the

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Speaker 1: marketplace of ideas should be powerful and that the First

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Speaker 1: Amendment should already always triumph and you shouldn't fire people

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Speaker 1: because you disagree with their opinions. That cancel culture should

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Speaker 1: not be a thing. I was actually defending Jamel Hill,

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Speaker 1: who had called Donald Trump a white supremacist. Not accurate,

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Speaker 1: not fair, dishonest. But I don't believe that in your

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Speaker 1: private life you should be fired for your political opinions.

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Speaker 1: I think all of you should be able to go

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Speaker 1: on Facebook. You should be able to go on Twitter, x, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: whatever the account is, and when you're not at work,

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Speaker 1: you should be able to tell your friends and family, hey,

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Speaker 1: I love Joe Biden. I think he's the greatest president

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Speaker 1: of all time. I think that you've got a broken

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Speaker 1: brain if you believe that, But I think you should

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Speaker 1: be able to say that, and certainly you should be

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Speaker 1: able to go and say, hey, I think you should

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Speaker 1: vote for Donald Trump. He did a fabulous job the

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Speaker 1: first time. I think he'll do a fabulous job the

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Speaker 1: second time. That is my opinion, much better choice than

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. I think you should be able to say that,

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Speaker 1: or RFK Junior, or you could be a libertarian, or

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Speaker 1: you could be a Green Party person, or you could

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Speaker 1: be a Carnell West support or whatever. When you're outside

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Speaker 1: of work, I think you should be able to share

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Speaker 1: your political opinions without fear of losing your job. I

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Speaker 1: went on CNN to make that argument. I had been

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Speaker 1: saying on my radio show, my sports talk radio show

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Speaker 1: for some time that the First Amendment was alive and

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Speaker 1: well on that show, and that callers should be able

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Speaker 1: to voice any opinion that they wanted, and I had

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Speaker 1: said as a joke instead of saying, hey, I'm a

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Speaker 1: First Amendment absolutist, which is kind of a phrase that

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Speaker 1: people get lost on sometimes hard What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: You stumble over it? You don't really understand it. I

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Speaker 1: would say on my show regularly, there's only two things

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Speaker 1: that had never let me down, the First Amend and

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Speaker 1: boobs boobs, as you will hear momentarily on CNN, as

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Speaker 1: a joking way to make it clear that I was

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Speaker 1: a supporter of people being able to say whatever they want.

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Speaker 1: And also, by the way, I'm a heterosexual man. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of true, but we would have fun with that phrase.

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Speaker 1: I went on CNN and I said it, here's a

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Speaker 1: throwback to twenty seventeen. I got cut off like Caroline Levitt,

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Speaker 1: and I am still banned from being able to appear

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Speaker 2: Listen, I'm a First Amendment absolutist. I believe in only

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Speaker 2: two things completely, the First Amendment and boobs, And so

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Speaker 3: I just want to make sure I heard you correctly

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Speaker 3: as a woman anchoring the show, did you say what?

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Speaker 4: Did you just say?

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Speaker 3: You believe in the First Amendment ends btwbs.

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Speaker 2: Boobs two things that have only never let me down

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Speaker 2: in this entire country history, the First Amendment and boobs.

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Speaker 2: So those are the only two things I believe in

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Speaker 3: I just want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly

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Speaker 3: boo ze or b oo bs, because as a woman,

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Speaker 1: Us in boobs.

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Speaker 2: I believe completely in the First Amendment and in boobs.

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Speaker 2: Those are the only two things I believe one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent in in this country. And by the way, Jamelle

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Speaker 3: Even say that live on national television and with a

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Speaker 2: I say it live on the radio all the time

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Speaker 2: because it's true. And that's what I do, because I

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Speaker 2: like boobs and the First Amendment, which is exactly what

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Speaker 1: All right, she cut me off. I'm banned seven years later.

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Speaker 1: That's real. If you haven't seen it, it continues to

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Speaker 1: cycle through virally. The kids on TikTok now who are

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Speaker 1: they all see it. I got banned, like Caroline Levitt

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Speaker 1: still not allowed to appear on seeing it. But I

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Speaker 1: think two that are important about that clip. One, it's funny,

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Speaker 1: So that's not the first thing I'm gonna say. It's

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Speaker 1: important about it. But the first thing is from that clip,

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Speaker 1: they wanted me to immediately apologize. You could see her

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Speaker 1: How dare you say this on CNN? What women don't know?

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Speaker 5: That?

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Speaker 1: Is cleavage a new thing? Are women unaware that men

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Speaker 1: are attracted to boobs? Is? Is this a stunning revelation

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Speaker 1: that I provided? And by the way, a comedic way right.

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Speaker 1: They wanted me to immediately say I'm sorry, I apologize,

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Speaker 1: And even the other guest there was like, I'm astounded.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe. And by the way, the other guest

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Speaker 1: it's all fake and I did it, I owned it.

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Speaker 1: So One, you can never apologize. You certainly can never

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Speaker 1: add levity to a situation, as I was doing. Two,

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Speaker 1: I give tremendous credit here. The reason I'm on this

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Speaker 1: have the same boss that I had then, Julie Talbot,

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Speaker 1: who was Russia's boss. I had just started doing sports

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Speaker 1: talk radio for Julie Talbot when that happened. And you

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Speaker 1: probably won't be stunned by this, but that was the

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Speaker 1: peak of cancel culture. Many people demanded that I'd be

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Speaker 1: fired for going on CNN and saying that, and Julie

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Speaker 1: Talbot in Premier Networks, who distributes our show and distributed

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Speaker 1: remember Julie Talbot's first response. I love her, but I

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Speaker 1: I've heard much worse, and I would go through a

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Speaker 1: I don't think I would have taken this job if

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Speaker 1: I hadn't known already that she was our boss and

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Speaker 1: And I think it's so instructive there of what they

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Speaker 1: Sitting here, they oftentimes come for you, and they don't

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Speaker 1: we're saying. They don't truly like the marketplace of ideas.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's so interesting. I do Fox News

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Speaker 1: hits a lot. I don't remember Fox News turning the

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Speaker 1: to me, And no one at Fox News and Julie

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Speaker 1: Talbot and no one at Ihearted Premiere has ever said

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Speaker 1: you to not talk about this issue. It's never happened

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Speaker 1: in my entire career. I can't speak for everyone else,

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Speaker 1: but to me, that's the ultimate test. Do you or

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Speaker 1: do you not trust the voice that you're hearing, Because

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Speaker 1: as soon as somebody is co opted in any way

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Speaker 1: by bosses, management, advertisers, any sort of situation where you

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Speaker 1: feel like, no, they're not telling me what they really think,

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Speaker 1: you should turn us off. I mean, honestly, any voice

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Speaker 1: believe that they are not telling you exactly what they

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Speaker 1: think every day from the honest, deepest soul of their character,

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Speaker 1: I really believe you should turn them off. And there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of people in media who are frauds.

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Speaker 1: It's the truth. Julie Talbot, I think has a great

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Speaker 1: sensibility for who is being honest, who's telling true story

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Speaker 1: or he's every single day. And that moment that I

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Speaker 1: morning as the Caroline Levitt drama has grown and she's

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Speaker 1: talking to you today, It's why you've been listening to

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Speaker 1: me for the last three years because I had an

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Speaker 7: was pointing out statements that Jake Tapper has made on

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Speaker 7: the air, So why is he allowed to go on

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Speaker 7: air on CNN and push anti Trump lies, but I'm

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Speaker 7: not allowed to bring them up. I mean, it was

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Speaker 7: it was really crazy that she cut me off to abruptly.

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Speaker 7: And you know, I was doing this interview from a

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Speaker 7: remote studio and I couldn't see the program, so I

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Speaker 7: didn't realize she.

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Speaker 4: Had cut me off.

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Speaker 7: I was I was answering her question about our strategy

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Speaker 7: and President Trump's plan to talk about immigration and inflation.

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Speaker 7: And no, the producer had to tell me they booted

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Speaker 7: me off the network for bringing up the truth about

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Speaker 7: fake Tapper, which is utterly ridiculous and by the way,

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Speaker 7: proves my entire point that this debate on Thursday is

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Speaker 7: going to be unfair in a hostile environment and everyone

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Speaker 7: knows this.

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Speaker 1: Carolin, It's funny you mentioned that because I played audio

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Speaker 1: for the guys and gals listening out there on the

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Speaker 1: show seven years ago. They did the same thing to

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Speaker 1: me on CNN. This doesn't happen very often. We're on

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Speaker 1: a live interview, they pull the plug. But if you

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Speaker 1: don't have a return feed, and I didn't you and

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Speaker 1: you're for kind of taking people behind the scenes here.

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Speaker 1: If you don't have a return feed of your camera

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Speaker 1: you are just talking into a camera lens as I'm

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Speaker 1: doing right now on Clay and Buck for our videos

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Speaker 1: VID subscribers. You don't know that they pulled the plug,

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Speaker 1: so you're still they're talking, and then somebody has to

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Speaker 1: get in your ear and they're like, actually, they took

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Speaker 1: you off the air. I mean, you've done a lot

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Speaker 1: of interviews. Has anything like this ever happened to you?

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Speaker 7: No, I've never been booted off of the network. I

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Speaker 7: don't know if I should wear it as a badge

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Speaker 7: of honor or what.

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Speaker 1: Especially, yes, you should. So here's the question, then, Caroline,

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Speaker 1: doesn't this draw way more attention to Jake Tapper and

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Speaker 1: Dana Bash than if they had just let you make

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Speaker 1: your argument instead of censoring you and cutting you off.

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Speaker 1: I mean it just I saw this clip as soon

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Speaker 1: as I woke up this morning, and I said, oh,

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Speaker 1: my goodness, this is such a huge win for Team

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Speaker 1: Trump and Caroline.

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Speaker 7: If I were fake Tapper, I'd be very upset with

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Speaker 7: my colleague Casey Hunt for cutting me off the air

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Speaker 7: today because it brought so much more attention to him

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Speaker 7: than this man wants four days ahead of the debate.

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Speaker 7: I mean, there are a plethora of videos now on

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Speaker 7: Twitter x showing all.

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Speaker 4: Of Jack Tapper's statements. If they had just let me speak,

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Speaker 4: I would have said.

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Speaker 7: My part and we would have moved on. But nope,

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Speaker 7: they couldn't handle it. And so now the whole world

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Speaker 7: is talking about how fake, fake Tapper is. And it's

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Speaker 7: not just Jake Tapper, by the way, it's also Dana

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Speaker 7: Bash too. She has a history of being very much

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Speaker 7: anti Trump. And you know what, It's okay, we know

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Speaker 7: that President Trump knows who.

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Speaker 4: These people are. He's going to debate no matter what.

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Speaker 4: But they continue to.

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Speaker 7: Act like they're fair and unbiased journalists, which is just

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Speaker 7: a load of crap. I mean, CNN has now doubled

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Speaker 7: down saying they're two of their most veteran journalists in

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Speaker 7: the country. I mean, give us a break. People have

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Speaker 7: eyes and they have ears, and they can see and

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Speaker 7: hear what these people have said for years, and they're

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Speaker 7: cutting me off. Today again just proved our point and

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Speaker 7: has actually can really really backfired for the entire network.

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Speaker 1: So for people out there are who are watching this

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Speaker 1: and we're talking to Caroline Lovett, super viral getting kicked

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Speaker 1: off CNN this morning, Trump is traveling all over the

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Speaker 1: country doing events as his prep for the debate. Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden has basically locked himself in Camp David for a

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Speaker 1: week to try to get ready for this ninety minute

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Speaker 1: debate by itself, What does the preparation methods of Trump

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Speaker 1: and Biden tell us, Well, it tells us.

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Speaker 7: Joe Biden is incapable of serving this country. The fact

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Speaker 7: that he has to hide away in the woods, very

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Speaker 7: far from the cameras at Camp David and does not

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Speaker 7: have one publicly scheduled event between now and the debate.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you can't do prep for a few hours

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Speaker 7: and then also host a press conference or something.

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Speaker 4: I mean that is actually deeply.

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Speaker 7: Concerning that the leader of the free world cannot do

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Speaker 7: a few things at the same time.

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Speaker 4: And it's a.

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Speaker 7: Sharp contrast to President Trump's schedule. I can tell you

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Speaker 7: the man is still working around the clock. He's hosting fundraisers,

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Speaker 7: he's doing hostile media interviews, which is the best debate

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Speaker 7: prep of all, and he's also been taking questions directly

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Speaker 7: from American voters, the most important audience. He was in

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Speaker 7: Philly this past Saturday. Not only did he give an

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Speaker 7: hours long speech, he also stopped by a chief stake

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Speaker 7: shop and took questions from voters directly. So President Trump

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Speaker 7: is well prepared. Joe Biden's team clearly feels like he

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Speaker 7: is not. That's why they are hiding him away in

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Speaker 7: the woods with a bunch of advisors who are drilling

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Speaker 7: talking points into his head, which again is concerning considering

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Speaker 7: this is a man who's been in politics for fifty

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Speaker 7: one years, like twice as long as I've been alive, almost,

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Speaker 7: but he still needs to be told what to say.

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Speaker 7: He doesn't know where he stands on policy. It just

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Speaker 7: shows you they know that his record has been indefensible

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Speaker 7: and they need to very much prepare to defend Joe

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Speaker 7: Biden's terrible policies that have led our country into the

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Speaker 7: ground over the last three and a half years.

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Speaker 1: Carol, I should the Trump team be concerned that CNN

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Speaker 1: is going to leak questions in advance to Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: given the fact that we know leaked questions have happened

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Speaker 1: in Democrat related debates in the past.

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Speaker 7: Well, based on the history of these debates, it would not.

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Speaker 7: It certainly wouldn't shock us. Again, we know what President

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Speaker 7: Trump is getting into on Thursday, we're fully aware of that.

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Speaker 7: But it speaks to President Trump's determination that even with

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Speaker 7: the cards stacked against him on Thursday night, He's still

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Speaker 7: willing to go into this cage match and fight a

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Speaker 7: three on one fight with all of the rules in

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Speaker 7: favor of Joe Biden. And he's doing it because he

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Speaker 7: made a promise to the American people that he would

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Speaker 7: debate Biden anytime, anywhere, any place, and that's exactly what

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Speaker 7: he's doing.

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Speaker 4: And you think Joe.

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Speaker 7: Biden would do this with maybe you as the moderator, Clay,

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Speaker 7: I don't think so, right like, and I would be,

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Speaker 7: by the way, way fairer than fake Tapper is.

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Speaker 1: I haven't said as many bad things about Biden as

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Speaker 1: he said about Trump. I've never compared him to Hitler.

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Speaker 1: Last question for you, Caroline, I'd be happy to host

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Speaker 1: a debate, so would Buck. We know you're having a

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Speaker 1: baby boy, if I remember correctly. Have you picked the.

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Speaker 7: Name yet, Yes, we have picked a name.

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Speaker 1: As it.

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Speaker 7: Is public. It's after my husband. His name is Nicholas,

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Speaker 7: but we're gonna call him Nico for short, so it

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Speaker 7: goes with our last name, which I don't use for

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Speaker 7: work because you know, Caroline levit's already established out there.

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Speaker 7: I'm getting kicked off of CNN, but it goes with

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Speaker 7: our name. It's a nice Italian name. And he should

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Speaker 7: be here any day now, which is totally crazy.

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Speaker 1: It is crazy. You're kicking ass and you're over eight

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Speaker 1: months pregnant, Caroline. I also love the name Nico because

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Speaker 1: he's going to be the new starting quarterback at the

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Speaker 1: University of Tennessee Volunteers is named Nico. So this is

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Speaker 1: a good omen for me doubling down here. Caroline, congrats

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Speaker 1: in advance, keep doing fantastic work, and thank you for

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Speaker 1: making the time for us.

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Speaker 7: Today anytime, Gay, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: That is Caroline Lovett, eight months pregnant, kicking CNN's ass

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Speaker 1: all over the place. That is impressive. Indeed, congrats to

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Speaker 1: baby Nico early on having a fearless mom. I think

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Speaker 1: she's going to be fantastic mom. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: dive in here. By the way, we're going to talk.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Joined now

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Speaker 1: by Miranda Divine of The New York Post. Miranda, I

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Speaker 1: was just I've been attacked a lot lately for my

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Speaker 1: awful haircut before we get into the Washington Post collapsing

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Speaker 1: and you deserving eighteen consecutive Pulitzers for your Hunter Biden stories.

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Speaker 1: What have you ever had a haircut that was so bad?

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Speaker 1: You left and you were like, I don't even want

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Speaker 1: to go out in public for some time. Is there

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Speaker 1: a worst haircut Miranda Divine story? Do you have one?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 4: And I Bunny had one terrible haircut and it was

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Speaker 4: the one before my wedding.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, this happened to me too. What happened? So

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Speaker 1: to tell me about this story. You're in Australia, You're

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Speaker 1: about to get married. What happened? How did what occurred?

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Speaker 4: Look? And the funny thing was that my husband also

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Speaker 4: go to terrible haircut that day? Sorry, each other. We

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Speaker 4: just lost. I look, I just decided I wanted to

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Speaker 4: get it a little bit shorter and do a little

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Speaker 4: bit of a Jackie O look. And it was just

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Speaker 4: didn't work.

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Speaker 1: It was not a Jackie O look. My wife told me,

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Speaker 1: I swear this is true. We got married almost twenty

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Speaker 1: years ago today, I mean August of two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: I was in Michigan. I go to the barber. She said,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about this day before the wedding, like

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Speaker 1: she sent her mom with me. This is actually very funny.

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Speaker 1: She sent her mom with me as like a sort

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Speaker 1: of a security guard to make sure that I didn't

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Speaker 1: get it off a haircut. So whatever you do, no

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Speaker 1: bowl cuts, nothing resembling a bowl cut. And I left,

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Speaker 1: and if you look at our wedding photos, they gave

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Speaker 1: me a bowl cut. And like she was mad at

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Speaker 1: her mom, she was mad at me. Probably it's much

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Speaker 1: worse than this haircut, but it was a really bad.

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Speaker 1: My life is basically just a series of bad haircuts

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Speaker 1: because I only pay like twenty dollars for every haircut

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Speaker 1: I get, and I keep thinking, oh, that's gonna this

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Speaker 1: will turn out fine. But anyway, Jesse Kelly was just

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Speaker 1: on ridiculing my haircut, and I have to say, sometimes

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Speaker 1: you get a video of yourself from angles, it's not

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Speaker 1: like me just staring into the camera like I usually

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Speaker 1: do on television. I'm like, I can't believe I go

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Speaker 1: out in public looking like this. So anyway, that's what

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Speaker 1: we're dealing with right now. Hunter Biden went out in

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Speaker 1: public a lot in ways that I wouldn't have anticipated.

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Speaker 1: In an easy transition here, let's start here. Were you

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Speaker 1: surprised that the Delaware jury convicted him? Do you think

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Speaker 1: his defense team was surprised as well that that conviction happened.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, I think they were incredibly surprised. I think

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Speaker 4: that they I don't know why, but I think they

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Speaker 4: thought they had an in the back. I thought it

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Speaker 4: was like sixty forty forty percent guilty, sixty percent hung jury. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but you know, when you set through the evidence, it

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Speaker 4: was absolutely slammed. Dunk and Abby Lowell really didn't seem

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Speaker 4: to know what was going on with a lot of

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Speaker 4: the witnesses, and the witnesses were even Marry Biden, who

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Speaker 4: was one of the few witnesses that Hunter called or

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Speaker 4: Hunter's lawyers called. She was sympathetic for the other side,

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Speaker 4: you know, she it was just and the jurors afterwards

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Speaker 4: said they felt very sorry for her, and they said

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Speaker 4: that no father should put his daughter through something like that.

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Speaker 4: So I think that backside on the jury and what

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Speaker 4: I guess the reason I was slightly surprised was because

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Speaker 4: I've just come to this conclusion that, you know, the

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Speaker 4: Bidens have sort of ringed everything in Delaware, but clearly

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Speaker 4: those people were not impressed by Jill Biden coming in

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Speaker 4: every day and sort of projecting the power and intimidation

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Speaker 4: of the presidency onto the courtroom and all their other

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Speaker 4: entourage doing the same thing. It obviously just didn't want.

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Speaker 4: And the prosecutors stating this summing up, sort of gesturing

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Speaker 4: over to where Joe Biden was sitting with the rest

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Speaker 4: of the family and their entourage and said that is

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Speaker 4: not evident. You may notice or recognize some of these

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Speaker 4: people from the news, but just put that aside. Has

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Speaker 4: nothing to do with your deliberations.

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Speaker 1: We're talking with the Miranda Devine. I was talking earlier

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Speaker 1: in the show Miranda that I believe over time the

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Speaker 1: truth wins, and I don't just believe that in the

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Speaker 1: marketplace of ideas. I also believe it in the marketplace

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Speaker 1: of commerce, and you have got a lot of really

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Speaker 1: good and brave bosses at the New York Post, and

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Speaker 1: the New York Post has been rewarded the company. The

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Speaker 1: newspaper has done fabulously well over the past several years,

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Speaker 1: bringing in lots of money, very successful business in ways

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Speaker 1: that historically hasn't been the truth. I think that's connected

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Speaker 1: in many ways to people having myself included a stronger

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Speaker 1: opinion of the New York Post brand based on the

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Speaker 1: bravery of the reporting surrounding the Hunter Biden laptop. The opposite,

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Speaker 1: I think has occurred at the Washington Post. Washington Post

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Speaker 1: lost about half of its audience. Reports are that it's

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Speaker 1: going to lose seventy seven million dollars this year, and

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Speaker 1: as a result, Jeff Bezos, I think, kind of looked

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Speaker 1: up and said, oh my goodness, even I'm super rich,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be running a charity project. Brought

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Speaker 1: in a host of new leadership that's designed to get

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Speaker 1: the company back to profitability. And the Post employees, the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post employees that is, have staged an absolute basically rebellion,

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Speaker 1: and they forced one editor that was coming in to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know what, screw this, I'm going to stay in

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Speaker 1: I'm going to stay in England. What is important for

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Speaker 1: our listeners to know about what's going on at the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post. You wrote a great column about it. It's

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Speaker 1: posted up at Clay and Buck, but kind of lay

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it's really an insurrection by the newser

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Speaker 4: and as you say, rebellion, but they love to use

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Speaker 4: the word insurrection against.

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Speaker 1: Ultramat that's perfect, yes.

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Speaker 4: But I think you know, as you said, the sort

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Speaker 4: of chickens are coming home to roost with the Washington Post.

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Speaker 4: They were, you know, front and center on Russia collusion

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Speaker 4: on the January sixth, all the lies that they told me,

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Speaker 4: they produced our reporting, called it sketchy over the laptop,

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Speaker 4: refused to publish anything covered up for Joe Biden. That's

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Speaker 4: all they do, you know, every single hope that comes along,

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Speaker 4: whether it's suckers and losers or you know what was

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Speaker 4: the latest one they've just debunked on Donald Trump. I'm

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Speaker 4: losing track, but so many of these lies they're quite

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Speaker 4: happy to promulgate. And what's happened is I think they

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Speaker 4: got sky high readership during the Trump era because it

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Speaker 4: was just scandal after scandal and people felt worried and

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Speaker 4: that they had to keep abreast of the news, and

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Speaker 4: the Washington Post had this great brand and it was

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Speaker 4: trustworthy and had credibility. And when people started realizing slowly

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Speaker 4: but surely that oh, the laptop is real, Oh you

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Speaker 4: know this hoax, the Russia hoax is a lie, and

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Speaker 4: all the other things about Donald Trump just weren't true,

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Speaker 4: and also realized that this sort of sainthood that the

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Speaker 4: Washington Post had conferred on Joe Biden was really not

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Speaker 4: deserved and that he's a pretty bad man and has

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Speaker 4: been a very terrible president. And so I think their

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Speaker 4: eyes worken up and they realized, oh my gosh, I've

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Speaker 4: been lied to by the Washington Post. So I'm not

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Speaker 4: going to I'm going to cancel my subscription. I'm going

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Speaker 4: to ignore. It lost its credibility. And the people in

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Speaker 4: the newsroom don't understand that they're the reason that happened,

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Speaker 4: because I think the inmates took over the asylum and

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Speaker 4: they're outraged that the guy who's paying the bills wants

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Speaker 4: to change things, and I just think that is you know,

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Speaker 4: I've always worked for someone else, and if you want

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Speaker 4: to be the boss, then you have to put your

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Speaker 4: own money on the line. And you know that these

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Speaker 4: people are just so arrogant and they think that they

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Speaker 4: are the curators of everything that is good in eSchool,

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Speaker 4: in journalism, and they are the opposite.

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Speaker 1: I think that's really well said. And ultimately, the profit

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Speaker 1: motive is sooner or later, if the rich guy gets

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Speaker 1: tired of losing money, that's going to be the case

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Speaker 1: no matter where it is rich guy or gal, whoever's

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Speaker 1: in charge. Because I think Steve Jobs's daughter has several

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Speaker 1: different left wing publications, and what does it say that

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Speaker 1: the Post when. To me, this was so fascinating when

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Speaker 1: the Post leader comes out and says, nobody's reading your articles.

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Speaker 1: Our overall, our overall audience is down fifty percent and

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Speaker 1: basically we're on pace to lose in the neighborhood of

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Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars. If I hear that, Miranda, as

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Speaker 1: an employee, my reaction is, man, if I like my job,

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Speaker 1: I better go bust my ass and work harder. That

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Speaker 1: is destructive to any business in the world, whether you're

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Speaker 1: selling cars, or selling paper, or selling newspapers and subscriptions.

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Speaker 1: Their reaction at The Washington Post was, why do we

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Speaker 1: have white men who are coming in to run the newspaper.

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Speaker 1: We need to have more diversity like that just and

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Speaker 1: to me is indicative of how if you let this

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Speaker 1: woke culture into your business, and it doesn't matter what

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Speaker 1: the business is, ultimately becomes destructive from the inside.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, go work, get broken whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think also there's something maybe more sinister

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Speaker 4: at foot. There is that sort of dei patina as well,

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Speaker 4: which is part of the problem with all these newsrooms.

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Speaker 4: But also the Washington Post has a special place in

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Speaker 4: DC as sort of an agent of the deep state.

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Speaker 4: Their sources at deep state people, their friends, their cocktail parties,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's it's people like Adam Schiff, but it's

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Speaker 4: also CIA FBI operatives, you know. And I think that

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Speaker 4: they don't want the scrutiny that will come if you

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Speaker 4: actually have an editor like this CEO who's been brought

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Speaker 4: in the ISSU who wanted to bring in. If you

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Speaker 4: look at their record in the UK and even here,

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Speaker 4: they are known for kind of objective and without fear

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Speaker 4: or favor journalism, investigative journalism that absolutely crucifies both sides

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Speaker 4: of politics. Whatever. You know, if they're corrupt, they will

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Speaker 4: call it out and they will do the stories. They

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Speaker 4: won't pull their punches. The Washington Post has a history

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Speaker 4: of pulling punches for their friends, and so regardless of

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Speaker 4: their Watergate you know background, I wonder if that was

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Speaker 4: a Democrat and not Nixon, if they would have been

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Speaker 4: as aggressive. But certainly these days since the Trump era,

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Speaker 4: they're pulling their punches on their friends, and so maybe

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Speaker 4: they're also fright of having kind of rigorous editorship in

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Speaker 4: there that's demanding that they actually do the stories and

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Speaker 4: check out. If their FBI source tells them something like

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Speaker 4: about the steel dot here, well you have to go

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Speaker 4: and check that out and see if.

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Speaker 5: It's real or not.

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Speaker 1: Really good points and they bring to mind two things

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Speaker 1: here to close out with you, Miranda. One, if the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post, for example, was just failing as a news

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Speaker 1: organization to get everything right, wouldn't there be stories, as

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Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier on the show, that were

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Speaker 1: extremely pro Trump that they screwed up that later would

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Speaker 1: come out. As you point out, if you only have

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Speaker 1: errors that make Trump look worse. That's pretty strongly indicative

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Speaker 1: of a bias. And then second part of this, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned Nixon and Watergate. Obviously, what were in Bernstein the

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Speaker 1: work they did there, they went after a Republican president.

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Speaker 1: But even if you look twenty five years later, the

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Speaker 1: legacy of the post was they went after Bill Clinton

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Speaker 1: pretty aggressively on the monocle Lewinsky case. They covered. I

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Speaker 1: was in college at the time in DC. Every day

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Speaker 1: I'd go read the newspaper they were breaking new stories

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Speaker 1: on it. If Joe Biden, I really believe this had

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Speaker 1: a similar style when we know he's much worse in

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Speaker 1: terms of scandals than what happened with Bill Clinton, and

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Speaker 1: they just pretend it doesn't exist. Right, the legacy of

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Speaker 1: Watergate was we go after people in power. That was

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Speaker 1: what they did to Bill Clinton. Then when they went

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Speaker 1: to a subscription business, it turned into this is my thesis,

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Speaker 1: we can't possibly upset the people who pay for our newspaper.

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Speaker 1: Therefore we're just going to propagandize and attack the right.

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Speaker 4: That is really interesting. Yeah, I have theories about subscriptions too,

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Speaker 4: which I have no evidence for. But I do think

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Speaker 4: the subscription model does skew you. And when you are

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Speaker 4: in Washington, DC and your subscribers are going to be

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Speaker 4: government bureaucracies, that'll be a big chunk of who is

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Speaker 4: funding you. I think you're going to be in a

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Speaker 4: city where you know ninety nine percent of people vote Democrat.

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Speaker 4: And also with the paper that I mean, it's fine,

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Speaker 4: it leans liberal, it's never endorsed a Republican candidate in

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Speaker 4: its entire history. Fine, but as you say, they did

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Speaker 4: hold Clinton to account, so you would expect, like it's fine,

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Speaker 4: go hard on Trump, and maybe you made some mistakes.

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Speaker 4: I think they're unforgivable, but you are absolutely spot on

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Speaker 4: the fact that they've ignored the biggest corruption scandal since Ordigate,

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Speaker 4: which is about Joe Biden. I don't think because they

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Speaker 4: particularly loved Joe Biden, but I think because they wanted

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Speaker 4: Biden to beat Trump, because they really believe, like a

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Speaker 4: lot of their deep state sources, that Trump is an

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Speaker 4: existential threat. But he's only an existential threat to the

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Speaker 4: deep state to their kind of unelected missions, missions that

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Speaker 4: they promulgate overseas with regime change and new wars and

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Speaker 4: so on, which you see what's happened on to Biden

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Speaker 4: when they've had unrestricted power. And that's that's why Trump

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Speaker 4: is an existential threat, not to the country, not to

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Speaker 4: the world, the opposite to them.

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Speaker 1: No doubt, Miranda divine. She deserves eighteen straight Pulitzers. I

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Speaker 1: just wish she'd had a better haircut and on her

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Speaker 1: wedding day, Miranda, Yeah, I needed one for sure. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for hanging with us, and we'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. We are joined now

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Speaker 1: by London Roberts. She is the mother of Navy Roberts,

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Speaker 1: who soon will turn six years old on August the

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00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: twenty eighth. Hunter Biden is the father seven grandchildren of

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00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: Joe Biden and London. I know you've got a book

887
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: coming out. We appreciate you coming on with us. I

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00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: just kind of want to start with this. First of all,

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00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: congratulations on your daughter about to turn six. I've got

890
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: what do I got? Sixteen, thirteen and nine right now

891
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: in this household, So I.

892
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 5: Know you've got your head.

893
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: Definitely have our hands full. And I believe you're Arkansas

894
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: fans razorback fans. Is that correct?

895
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 5: Well? Actually, I mean yeah, the family and stuff is

896
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 5: that I actually played basketball at Arkansas State University.

897
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: Ah. This is a big rivals actually in that state, you.

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00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 5: Know, but I still call the hag that's still root

899
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 5: for him, you know, Arkansas native.

900
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: I have to are you a Caitlin Clark fan, by

901
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: the way, and you still watch women's basketball very much?

902
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 5: I am a Caitlin clar I think she has absolutely

903
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 5: changed the game of basketball for women especially She's She's

904
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 5: done an amazing job even with the attention she's brought

905
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 5: to it.

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Speaker 1: Great play, no doubt, no doubt. Fabulous player. All right,

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00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: let's dive into this. Have you ever spoken to Joe

908
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: Biden yourself? Has your daughter ever spoken to Joe Biden

909
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: at all?

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00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 4: No?

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00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: No, we have not, And I'm assuming you've made an

912
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: effort you would like to have her be able to

913
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: I understand she has a great relationship with your dad.

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00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: Most kids out there would like to have a relationship

915
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: with their grandparents. I'm assuming you've made an effort to

916
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: try and speak with Joe Biden. What has happened when

917
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: you've done that?

918
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 4: You know?

919
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 5: In my book Out of the Shadows, I talk about

920
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 5: different times, you know, trying to reach out from the beginning,

921
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 5: even trying to reach out to the Biden campaign before

922
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 5: it even went to you know, the fraternity suit, which

923
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 5: I get real deep involved in and the books, but

924
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 5: there's there's never been any response. And you know, since then,

925
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 5: since the attorney suit, we've not done anything, you know,

926
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 5: to reach out other than the legal action that Hunter

927
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 5: and I have had against each other in the litigation there.

928
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 5: But yeah, we've not and you know, Hunter and maybe

929
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 5: it started building a relationship, you know, as of last year.

930
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 5: And so I don't know. I mean, I guess we'll

931
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 5: see where things go. The door's open, you know, But no,

932
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 5: that we've not heard anything.

933
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: When you hear Joe Biden talk about how his family

934
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: means everything to him and about being Grandpa Joe. And

935
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: Hunter's got a son, Bo who he's got on Air

936
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Speaker 1: Force one all the time. That's a grandson that would

937
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Speaker 1: be I guess the half brother of your daughter. When

938
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Speaker 1: they hanged, I think it was six stockings in the

939
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Speaker 1: White House for all their grandkids and they leave your

940
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: daughter out? How does that make you feel? As a mom?

941
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 4: Oh? Lord?

942
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 5: And I tell everyone this this, you know, Out of

943
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 5: the Shadows is a book about a lot of different emotions.

944
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 5: And you know, now I can sit here and talk

945
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 5: about it because it's killed. But throughout the book, there

946
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 5: are times like that where you're hurt because you know,

947
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 5: I say, you know, Hell has no greater fury than

948
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 5: a woman scorned, right, But no, Hell has no greater

949
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 5: fury than a mother whose child is being scorn. Or

950
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 5: Hell hath no fury like a woman being scorn, But

951
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 5: he'll has no greater fury like a mother whose child

952
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 5: is being scorn. Because you know, as a parent, you know,

953
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 5: if you break my heart or if you could do

954
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 5: something to slap in my face, I can easily get

955
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 5: over it. But if you do it to my child,

956
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 5: it hurts a lot different. It's a different kind of heartbreak.

957
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 5: And I discussed that through the book about how how

958
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 5: it's it's disappointing, it's hurtful.

959
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: Not only that they have sued to try my understanding.

960
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: You correct me if I'm wrong, they have sued to

961
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,439
Speaker 1: keep you from having the Biden name connected to your

962
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: daughter at all. Is that correct? What's the story there?

963
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 5: No, Actually, you know I had initially done that. My

964
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 5: attorney did it in the last litigation that Hunter and

965
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 5: I had the child support, and you know, I saw

966
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 5: it was like opening a door thinking that they would like,

967
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 5: you know, opening that door to allow them in so

968
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 5: they didn't think.

969
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 4: That like I didn't.

970
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 5: Want my daughter to have their last name or because initially,

971
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 5: you know, I could have put the last that last

972
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 5: name on the versatis Kate, but I didn't, and you know,

973
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 5: it was it was taking the wrong way and taking

974
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 5: it as if it was this political warfare. So Hunter

975
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 5: and I when we finally were able to sit down

976
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 5: for the first time, I mean since I was pregnant

977
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 5: last year, then you know, we we sat down and

978
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 5: stuff that you know, maybe will choose when she gets

979
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 5: old enough, what last name she wants.

980
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 1: We're talking to London, Robert's daughter Navy going to turn

981
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: six years old, Hunter Biden as the father. What can

982
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: you tell us about Hunter Biden based on your interaction

983
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: with him? What's he like?

984
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 5: You know, there's there's different versions of you know that

985
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 5: I've received, and there's different versions throughout the book as well.

986
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 5: You know, there's the first few chapters there about me

987
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 5: meeting him, getting to know him, build a relationship with him,

988
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,800
Speaker 5: and it fills with some wild, crazy story, some fun stories,

989
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 5: some sad stories you know that I endured with him,

990
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 5: and then this just complete deflected abandonment, avoidance, you know,

991
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 5: then it goes from somebody that I thought I could

992
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 5: lean on to somebody that just completely abandons me in

993
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 5: a time when I needed in the most and you know,

994
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 5: obviously cared for him and I was hurt really bad,

995
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 5: especially you know all the emotions you deal with through pregnancy.

996
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 5: You know, it took me through a really dark place.

997
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 5: And I watched Hunter while he was in a dark place,

998
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 5: suffer from you know, his battle with addiction. But it's

999
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 5: the book described so many different versions of Hunters, and

1000
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 5: to the point where, like you know, last year, when

1001
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 5: I finally sat down with him, I even said, you know,

1002
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 5: I've I've hated you. I've been mad at you for

1003
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 5: so long because you know, there was a time when

1004
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 5: I deeply cared about him, and you you see those

1005
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 5: times in the beginning, and then you see that shift

1006
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 5: into this person that I didn't know, and you know,

1007
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 5: that's that's what I got to I told people are

1008
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 5: there's a statement I've made throughout the book where I say,

1009
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 5: you know, I'm I know Hunt. I fell in love

1010
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 5: with Hunt, but Hunter Biden that was That's a difference. Hunter.

1011
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 5: That's not the Hunter I got to know. You know,

1012
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 5: when when you scandal after scandal or whatever else he

1013
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 5: has going on, you become a burden to him. It's

1014
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 5: it's I saw a different side.

1015
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: When did you meet Hunter Biden? And when did you

1016
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: become aware that he was the vice president I think

1017
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: at the time or the president's son. At what point

1018
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: did you have that that realization or did that was

1019
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: that from the first moment you met him? How did

1020
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: that realization come to be?

1021
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 5: Now, the first conversation we had, which was you know,

1022
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 5: over a year before our daughter was conceived. But the

1023
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 5: first conversation we had is when I finally put two

1024
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 5: and two together and I, you know, I discussed the

1025
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 5: first chapter of the book is about that initial meeting.

1026
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 5: And you know, I'm meeting him at this place, this

1027
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 5: really nice place, and I don't I don't know who

1028
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 5: was there. I'm just there with a friend and you know,

1029
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 5: I coincident like run into him and he's this good

1030
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 5: booking guy that was battling something that I had never

1031
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 5: seen before, and he was so I was so intrigued.

1032
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 5: And I say that and it sounds so dumb because

1033
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 5: everybody's like, what intrigues you about all this drug Carefinlli

1034
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 5: on the desk and you know what intrigues you about

1035
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 5: his parent box ser brief that he's wearing in the

1036
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 5: back room like, but it was his personality. You know,

1037
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 5: he would talk, he acted like as if he cared.

1038
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 5: He asked me questions, He seemed genuine, he seemed sincere,

1039
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 5: And you know, that was the Hunter that I got

1040
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 5: to know and love. And then, you know, after I

1041
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 5: became a burden to game and I got pregnant, I

1042
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 5: saw a different side and I you know, I talk

1043
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 5: about that one as well. But initially, when I first

1044
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 5: met him, I thought the Hunter was larger than life.

1045
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,959
Speaker 5: Like this, you know, it doesn't get any better. I'm young,

1046
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 5: and this guy just has it going on. He's got

1047
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 5: everything going for him. But I talk about this empathy

1048
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 5: that I have and I've carried it with me forever.

1049
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 5: I get it from my father, which loves to explain.

1050
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 5: But he he was suffering, and he was in a

1051
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 5: really really dark place. And I watched that and I

1052
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 5: cared about him. And as my you know, love for

1053
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 5: him grew, so he keeps. So did that place that

1054
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 5: he kept the place that darker and darker. And I

1055
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 5: you talked about loving or caring for someone who's who's

1056
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 5: battling an addiction and it's hard. And so I think

1057
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 5: that a lot of people can resonate with this book

1058
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 5: by you know, loving and caring for someone that goes

1059
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 5: through this and suffers this addiction. But then also all

1060
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 5: the women who become a burden wants to get pregnant

1061
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 5: because not every woman gets pregnant, and it's a joyous

1062
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 5: time and something to celebrate. This is a dark time

1063
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 5: for me. I became a burden and then I had

1064
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 5: this huge scandal ahead, and so I think it's I

1065
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 5: think the book has so many different situations that I

1066
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 5: think could relate to so many different people.

1067
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: We're talking about London Roberts. How difficult was it for

1068
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 1: you to prove that Hunter was the father?

1069
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,959
Speaker 5: That was pretty difficult. There's there's a chapter in a book,

1070
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 5: I think it's called serving Hunter, and you know, for

1071
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 5: the longest he he avoided being served, this attorney to

1072
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 5: even thoughing it was fogged, and I believe there was

1073
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 5: like some semon and stuff. There was there was political

1074
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 5: people getting involved.

1075
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 4: Media.

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Speaker 5: You know, my my attorney started putting pressure onto the media.

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00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 5: You know, just as if it's not your child, then

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00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 5: take a fraternity test right prove that it's not your child,

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Speaker 5: Like why are you running from it? It was, it

1080
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,479
Speaker 5: was difficult, it took. It took a lot of time

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00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 5: and a lot of efforts to get him to get

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00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 5: him served. And then when that was the case, once

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00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 5: he was served, I said, I can't breathe like this

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00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 5: big sigh of relief until the attorney test is taken.

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00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 5: And I want it done the right way. I don't

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00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 5: want any anything tampered with. I want our DNA samples

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00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 5: to go into a machine and either me or my

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00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 5: attorney somebody sit there and watch the entire time to

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00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 5: make sure it's done the right way and nothing is,

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00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 5: you know, because I wanted accountability taken for after you know,

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00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 5: the many times that it had been deflected that this

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00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 5: wasn't his child, when in fact it was.

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00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: Has Hunter met your daughter face to face and what's

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00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: his relationship with her?

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00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 5: Like now no, he is out at her face to face.

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00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 5: We sit down and talk last last year through our

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00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 5: child support dispute, and we decided a zoom call every month.

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00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 5: And then there's two things that Hunter claims he cares

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00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 5: the most about, and that's his family and art, and

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00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 5: so he thought, you know, a way to get to

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00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 5: know her through my art. I can show her like

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00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 5: paintings and stuff and maybe try to build a relationship

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00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 5: with her. So it's not just like threw out her

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00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 5: all at once or thrown at her all at once.

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00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 5: And that's absolutely And so it came from one zoom

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00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 5: call a month, so then it's like a zoom call

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00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 5: a week, a few zoom calls a week. You know,

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00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 5: he started building a relationship with her and and maybe

1109
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 5: so easy to love like she's she's a little girl

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00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 5: that is just full of life and she's a lot

1111
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,919
Speaker 5: like him in a lot of ways. And I think

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00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 5: that he sees that as well. But it turned into

1113
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 5: more calls over over time, and that's that's where it's

1114
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 5: where it stays. It's not it's not been brought to

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00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 5: the level of seeing each other in person yet, but.

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00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: I imagine you would like for your daughter to meet

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00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: her dad in person at some point, and sooner rather

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00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: than later.

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Speaker 5: Well, and absolutely, you know, I grew up having a

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00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 5: very great relationship with my father and a very influential

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00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 5: He's a very influential person.

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Speaker 4: In my life.

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Speaker 5: So I want my daughter to have that same thing.

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00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 5: If he can step into her life and be a

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00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 5: positive influence and be a good dad to her. What

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00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 5: mother wouldn't want that?

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Speaker 1: All right? Last question, maybe the most important for those

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00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: of you out there that are Arkansas State fans. What

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00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: is the most point you have ever scored in a

1130
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 1: basketball game.

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00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 4: Oh, that's tough.

1132
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 5: It was in high school.

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00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: You had to be dominant in high school if you

1134
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: ended up a D one player at Arkansas State.

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00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't.

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00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 4: I want to. It's either it's like thirty eight or

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00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 4: forty two.

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00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 5: Now, my mom would be able to answer that question

1139
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 5: as soon as she could tell you that. She could

1140
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 5: tell you that the most rebounds I know, I know

1141
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 5: my most rebounds scored in a game was scored. My

1142
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 5: most rebounds in a game was twenty five at one point.

1143
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 5: But yeah points, it was like thirty eight or forty two.

1144
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 5: I can't remember.

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01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: That's pretty badass to score thirty eight or forty two

1146
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: and also have twenty five rebounds at some point in

1147
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: your high school career. London, we wish the best for

1148
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: you and your daughter Navy as she gets ready to

1149
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: turn six years old. Thank you for coming on with

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01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: us and telling this story, and we hope she has

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01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: a good relationship with Hunter going forward.

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01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 5: Well, thank you. The book is released August twentieth, and

1153
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 5: her birthday is August twenty eight, so I don't know

1154
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 5: what better birthday gifts I can give my daughter than

1155
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 5: her story this year.

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01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, London, appreciate you, and you guys

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Speaker 1: have a good summer.

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Speaker 4: You too.

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01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: It's London Roberts. Her daughter Navy, about to turn six

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01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: years old, still has never met her dad in person,

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01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: Hunter Biden. Hopefully that'll happen at some point. Joe Biden

1162
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