1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth. 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 2: Today, I'm joined by my friend, my good friend, Carol Markowitz. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: She's the host of The Carol Markowitz Show. She's also 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 2: a New York Post columnist. She's going to unpack a 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 2: chilling wave of violence that we've seen in the country, 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: chilling wave of left wing violence, of anti Semitism, from 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: the attack on the Pennsylvania Governor's mansion to the execution 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: of Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, DC, and then now 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 2: over the weekend, elderly Jewish people set on fire in Boulder, Colorado. 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 2: What's happening, Why is this happening, Where is this going. 11 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: We're also going to dig into the suspects expired visa 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: and the Biden administration's decision. 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: To give that suspect a work permit despite. 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 2: The fact that his visa had expired, despite the fact 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: that he was denied a visa in two thousand and 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: five but somehow got one under the Biden administration. Also, 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: is free Palestine just the new rallying cry for terror. 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: We'll explore all that. 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: And more in the wake of the October seventh massacre. 20 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 2: Stay tuned for my friend Carol Mark Woitz. 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: Carol, it is so great. 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: To have you on the show. I just love you 23 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: so much. You're one of my best friends, and you're 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: an amazing person. But I just wanted to say that 25 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: before we get into some heavy stocks way. 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: Well, you are one of my absolute faves. 27 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 4: I love knowing you, and I am so happy to 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: be on with you. 29 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: I'm too, well, I'm happy that you're on with You're 30 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: picking up what I'm putting down. 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: You know, Carol, We've talked a lot since October seventh, 32 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: just about everything we've seen in the world. I've mentioned 33 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: to you before that, you know, I feel kind of 34 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: ignorant to not realizing how much anti Semitism is so rampant, 35 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: both here in the United States and abroad as well. 36 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: I mean, even just in a few weeks, we have 37 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: seen an attack on the governor's mansion in Pennsylvania. It 38 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: was torched because Er Joshapiro is Jewish to Israeli embassy 39 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: staffers executed to. 40 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: Washington, DC. 41 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: And I always saw elderly Jewish people set on fire 42 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 2: in Boulder, Colorado over the weekend. 43 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: What the hell is going on? 44 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 4: Well, one thing to notice about all of these attacks 45 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 4: is that they're happening primarily in blue areas. This is 46 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 4: not a coincidence. In blue areas. First of all, people 47 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 4: can't fight back, right. There are a lot of gun 48 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 4: laws that prohibit people from carrying, and it's much more 49 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 4: difficult for people to do something when attacked. The attackers 50 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 4: know this, and that is why it's happening the way 51 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 4: it's happening, you know. I've spoken to other Floridians and 52 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 4: just watching the Boulder attack unfold, and how long he 53 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 4: was on his feet and hurting people and yelling. He'd 54 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 4: be dead before the police car ever arrived in Flow. 55 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: And that's the way it should be. People should be afraid. 56 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 4: To launch attacks like this, and the fact. 57 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: That they're not in blue areas is a real tell. 58 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 4: Having said all that, obviously antisemitism is a problem everywhere. 59 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 3: I'm not naive. 60 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 4: I don't think, oh, it only happens in blue parts 61 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 4: of the country. Obviously could happen anywhere. But what I've 62 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 4: been saying for decades, literally decades, writing about this topic 63 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 4: is it's not that antisemitism will stop existing, and it's 64 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 4: not that I think anti semits will just die out 65 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 4: and there won't be anymore into Semitism. It's an age 66 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 4: old problem. But what we're looking for when we see 67 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 4: antisemitism rear its head is the reaction from the community, 68 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 4: the reaction from society. If society doesn't care the way 69 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 4: it seemed, for example, in France over the. 70 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: Last decade plus, that's a real problem for me. 71 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 4: But in America, I've seen people are outraged, you know, 72 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 4: who don't have to be are outraged, and the government 73 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 4: is taking such action. Dan Bongino of the FBI calling 74 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 4: it a terrorist attack right away, Donald Trump truth thing 75 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 4: about it and saying that this kind of thing will 76 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 4: not stand. The Justice Department immediately filing federal charges. This 77 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 4: is the reaction I want to see from my society, 78 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 4: and I'm really happy to see it in America. 79 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: You know, I guess you mentioned, you know, the blue areas. 80 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 2: And then also, I mean it seems like, you know, 81 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: obviously there's anti semitism on both sides, but it does 82 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: seem to be more predominant on. 83 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: The left for sure. 84 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 2: And then also just like a lot of cowardice on 85 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 2: the left and not calling this out. I mean, you 86 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: just mentioned sort of the initial very strong response from 87 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 2: President Trump and Dan Bongino, So I guess why did 88 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: Jewish people keep voting for Democrats? Then, you know, it 89 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: seems like it would be voting against your survival, to 90 00:04:58,800 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: be perfectly honest. 91 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 4: Well, as a lifelong conservative, this has been something that 92 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 4: I've cared about for a long time and something that 93 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 4: I've really hated about my community for a long time. 94 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 4: I will say that I think there's been a tea 95 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 4: change in the last few years. And these kinds of 96 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 4: things do take time. But according to my calculations, and 97 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 4: I've looked into local numbers in a lot of places, 98 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 4: I've looked into state exit polls, I've really done kind 99 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 4: of a numbers breakdown of this. 100 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 3: I have it on a sub stack from a few 101 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 3: months ago. 102 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 4: I think Donald Trump got in the forties percent of 103 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 4: the Jewish vote. I think he's in the forty five, 104 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 4: maybe even as high as forty seven percent of the 105 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 4: Jewish vote. And that's giant leap from his thirty percent 106 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty. But even thirty percent was already on 107 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 4: the upward trajectory. Jews were always Democrats, and it was 108 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 4: something that was intrinsic in the American Jewish experience. You 109 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 4: were a Democrat. Now I'm an immigrant. I came from 110 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 4: the Soviet Union. Other immigrant groups were always Republican because 111 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 4: we came from crazy leftist places and we were like, yeah, 112 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 4: no more of that. My Soviet Jewish community in Brooklyn 113 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 4: was always very Republican, and I always felt safe and 114 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 4: comfortable being a conservative growing up in Brooklyn because my 115 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 4: community was conservative and I didn't care what other people thought. 116 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: But the American Jews who have been here for generations 117 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 4: and generations, and they missed World War Two, they missed 118 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 4: the Pilgrims in Eastern Europe, they didn't live with strife. 119 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 4: They've been so safe in America for so long that 120 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 4: they became liberals and they didn't have to worry about anything. 121 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 4: I think now things are coming around and their understanding. 122 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 3: That they can't do that anymore. And I love to 123 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 3: see it. Personally. 124 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 4: I hear from Jews all the time who voted Republican 125 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 4: for the very first time in this last election. I 126 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 4: have lots of Jewish friends who voted for Trump and 127 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 4: it was their first Republican vote, and I don't see 128 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 4: them going back. I think once you've made the leap, 129 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 4: I don't think they're going to vote Democrat. 130 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: Ever again, you've got to take a quick commercial break 131 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: more with Carrol on the other side. You look at 132 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: these suspects shouting free Palestine. Is that any different than 133 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: the albar chance that we've heard from ISIS terrorists or 134 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: are they the same people? 135 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: Is it the same? 136 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: It's the same. 137 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 4: It's the same radical isam on our streets. It's the 138 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 4: same thing. And you know, the people call it the 139 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 4: leftist omni cause. But it could be anything, right, people 140 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 4: are destroying property for climate change, or it all could just. 141 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: Head toward a violent direction. 142 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 4: Look what you had Luigi Mangioni shooting a healthcare executive 143 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 4: on the streets of New York City. He just felt 144 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 4: justified to kill whoever he didn't like. And that's the 145 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 4: leftist goal, and the leftist message is if you don't 146 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 4: like something, you can use violence to stop it. And 147 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 4: you see this even in the reactions of these last 148 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 4: few violent events. It's like, well, this is what standing 149 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 4: up to Zionism looks like. Zionism is just believing that 150 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 4: Israel should exist, that it exists, and it should exist. 151 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 4: So most Americans are Zionists. The idea that you can 152 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 4: just kill Zionists at will. That's going to reach far 153 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 4: more people than just the Jewish community. 154 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: We look at the fact that this suspect in the 155 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: Boulder case, I'm not going to say his name because 156 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: he's not worth it's not worth saying. But he's denied 157 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: a visa in two thousand and five. He's Egyptian, and 158 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: then he arrived in twenty twenty two on a non 159 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: immigrant visa. It expired, and then even after it expired, 160 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,119 Speaker 2: the Biden administration created. 161 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: Him a work permit. 162 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: We see that Trump adminstration has taken a lot of 163 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 2: heat for revoking visas and trying to get tougher on 164 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: legal immigration and who we're giving visas to. 165 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: But doesn't this just make their case. 166 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so much. I think that it's crazy that 167 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 4: this went on for so long. I mean, I just 168 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 4: in the last few years watching the border problem. I 169 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 4: don't know, he didn't come across the border, but it's irrelevant. 170 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: It's the fact that people. 171 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 4: Knew that America was wide open and anybody could come in. 172 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 4: It's so worrisome that we don't know who's here, and 173 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 4: obviously this could be, you know, a problem for us 174 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 4: going forward. I think that we get to a place 175 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 4: where we feel safe and then we trust our government 176 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 4: to do what's best for us. And the Biden administration 177 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: simply did not do that. And it's it's crazy. 178 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: To me that the left took so long. 179 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 4: And I don't know that they're necessarily even still there yet, 180 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 4: but the idea that they permitted this to go on 181 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 4: in the name of opposing Republicans, like they couldn't have 182 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 4: felt good about illegal immigrants in their communities. You saw 183 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 4: this on Martha's vineyard, you know, when they had illegal 184 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 4: immigrants shipped to them, they immediately got them off the 185 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 4: eieland because nobody wants that in their communities. So the 186 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 4: fact that Americans were so quiet about it, and leftist 187 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 4: liberal Americans were so quiet about it for so long, 188 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 4: I think that that's really crazy to me. You know, 189 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 4: our friend Kurt Schlichter had this book called The Attack, 190 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 4: and it was about an October seventh style attack happening 191 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 4: in America. It's a fictional book, but it's so likely 192 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 4: when you don't know who's coming into your country. There's 193 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 4: so many people that want to hurt America and Americans 194 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 4: around the world. We allowed our borders to be wide 195 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 4: open for so long where millions of people came in 196 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 4: and we don't know who they are. We're in danger. 197 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 4: It is a dangerous time in America. 198 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: I really do worry that we have just let in 199 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: so many people who you know, who have Daori's sympathies, right, 200 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 2: and we haven't even we don't even know. 201 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: I mean, we're going to be dealing with this for 202 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: a very long time. Unfortunately. I'm going to add as people. 203 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 4: You know, again, I'm an immigrant, I'm not against immigration, 204 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 4: but we've gone like just in such a bananas place. 205 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 4: Like when I immigrated to this country, we had to 206 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 4: prove so many things about ourselves. We had to prove 207 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 4: that we were not going to be a danger to 208 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 4: this country. 209 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 3: We had to prove that somebody would be taking care 210 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: of us. 211 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 4: We didn't arrive and say where's my free hotel room 212 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: and where's my free everything? That just did not happen. 213 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 4: And so the idea that we've tossed out this process 214 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 4: that we used to have, I understand why support for 215 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 4: all immigration is down because you can't even trust that 216 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 4: the process is going to work in the future. If 217 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 4: Donald Trump implements an immigration process, you know, in his 218 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 4: four years in office. We don't know what Democrats are 219 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 4: going to do down the line. So the illegal immigration 220 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 4: insanity of the last few years has hurt the idea 221 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 4: of legal. 222 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 3: Immigration to this country. And it makes sense to me. 223 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm not agense people coming here legally. 224 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 2: I just think that it's a privilege, not a right. 225 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: And I don't think we need people to come here 226 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: legally or illegally. And so if we do grant someone 227 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: that privilege, they have to be extremely vetted. They have 228 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: to want to be a part of America. They have 229 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: to want to be a contributing factor, you know, Like 230 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: it's it's like, should be the most exclusive club to 231 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: ever get. 232 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: Into, exactly, and instead. 233 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeahd instead we're taking like fake id's you know. It's like, 234 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: you know, it's nuts. 235 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: You know, I've been thinking about this for a while. 236 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 2: You know, you look at October seventh, twenty twenty three, 237 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: it's equivalent to what. 238 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: We saw in nine to eleven. 239 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: Of course, Israel has a much smaller population, so if 240 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: you were to compare that to the United States with 241 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: our population size, it'd be over thirty six thousand people 242 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: who died. And so I just for the people criticizing 243 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: Israel's response, and look like no country is perfect. But 244 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 2: for those criticizing Israel's response, it's like, what is your 245 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: response to a nine to eleven terror attack? Because you 246 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: could make the argument that we, you know, obviously stayed 247 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 2: in Afghanistan way too long, but between two thousand and 248 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 2: one and twenty twenty one, we dropped over eighty thousand 249 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 2: bombs and munitions and response to nine to eleven, So 250 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 2: it's like, what is the appropriate response to a nine 251 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: to eleven terror attack? 252 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 3: Right? 253 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 4: And I think that what people don't get about Israel 254 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 4: is also Afghanistan's far away from US. Afghanistan's not going 255 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 4: to invade US. It's they live with this spear all 256 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 4: the time. The Gaza is right there, Lebanon is very close. 257 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: All of this is super close to Israel, and they're 258 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 4: constantly under attack. Every night, they're under attack. Our friend 259 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 4: Dave Rubin performed in Tel Aviv a few days ago. 260 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 4: The sirens went off while his show was going on, 261 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 4: and his show happens to be in a bunker, so 262 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 4: they didn't need to do anything. They could just keep 263 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 4: continue the show. But that's how they live. And you know, 264 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 4: there's been this conversation over the last few months in 265 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 4: America whether or not you need to visit a place 266 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 4: like Israel to understand it. 267 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 3: I think you do. 268 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 4: And it's not about seeing the checkpoints or anything like that. 269 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 4: It's not about seeing how the military operates or anything 270 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 4: like that. It's about seeing the culture. Israeli culture is 271 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 4: a culture that loves to live. It is a very 272 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 4: alive place. It is a very normal place. It will 273 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 4: feel familiar to when you visit. It's a culture very 274 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 4: similar to ours. They just want to live freely, they 275 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 4: want to raise their children, they want to have a 276 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 4: healthy society. And they've tried to make peace with the 277 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 4: Palestinians on so many different occasions. They've tried the land 278 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 4: for peace, They've tried a million different times to make 279 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 4: different peace deals. 280 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: It just never. 281 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 4: Works because the goal of Palestinian leadership is not peace, 282 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 4: and it's not to have land for their people and 283 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 4: it's not any of that. It's just to destroy Israel, 284 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 4: and Israel can have that. So the idea that but 285 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 4: you know, some kind of something that Israel could give 286 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 4: the Palestinians to make them stop attacking there really isn't anything. 287 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 4: So they have to destroy Hamas, they have to destroy Hasbolah, 288 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 4: and they have to kind of live in a way 289 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 4: that prevents future attacks. They have to constantly be on 290 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 4: the defense, and it's a really tough way to live. 291 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: And Israel, believe me, is such a peacenick society. So 292 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 4: many people that died on October seventh were peace knicks 293 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 4: who wanted to live with the Palestinians side by side. 294 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 4: The people who were marching in Colorado the other day peacenicks. 295 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 4: They all they want is the hostages back, and they 296 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 4: want an end to the war, and they want peace 297 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 4: with the Palestinians. And these are the people that keep 298 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: being murdered by Hamas. 299 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: I mean, it will be challenging to figure out next steps, 300 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: you know, because you do have a lot of people 301 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: that have been displaced already that will probably continue to 302 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: be displaced. So it's like, I don't really like, I 303 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: totally understand the fact that a two state solution doesn't 304 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: make sense at this point, because how do you live 305 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: alongside people who kill you? 306 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: But then I'll see what do you do with all 307 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: those people as well? 308 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: So I don't I mean, it is challenging, and I 309 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: truly don't know what the right answer is. 310 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no great answer. Two state solution, in my opinion, 311 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 4: is fully dead. I can't you know, you can't reward 312 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 4: October seventh with a state. You can't say, oh, you 313 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 4: killed all these people and you did all these horrible things. 314 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 4: Here's a state for you to celebrate. And I think 315 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 4: that Israelis understand that. And again, Israelis have longed for 316 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 4: a two state solution. They the right wing in Israel 317 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 4: wanted a two state solution. It was something that was 318 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 4: extremely common in their thinking. And I think that it 319 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 4: no longer is because they get that it's not a 320 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 4: state that the Palestinians want. 321 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 3: They want a one. 322 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 4: State solution that does not include Israel. And again they 323 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 4: can't have that happen. So I don't know, I don't 324 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 4: know what comes next. I you know, when Donald Trump 325 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 4: took office and he was talking about we would you know, 326 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 4: maybe half jokingly, but not really a Trump Gaza resort. 327 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: It's sort of where the future is. 328 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 4: Headed, where they are not going to get to control 329 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 4: their own land because they've done so many horrible things 330 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 4: and they have been shown to be incapable of governing themselves, 331 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 4: So I don't know where this goes. I know Israelis 332 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 4: don't want to be in Gaza. 333 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 3: They didn't they left Gaza and I think it's two. 334 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 4: Thousand and three and they didn't want to be there, 335 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 4: so they don't want to be there now. But I 336 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 4: don't know what the future will hold for them because 337 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 4: I can't see them just returning Gaza to the hamas leadership. 338 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: Well do you think you know? 339 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: It's like you talked about the the Trump uh Gaza Hotel, 340 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: and I mean it's interesting because President Trump does with 341 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: this philosophy, and he's been able to do things that 342 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 2: previous presidents haven't with like the Abraham Accords, and you know, 343 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: conversations that previous presidents couldn't have and respect that he's 344 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: getting that other presidents didn't have in the Middle East 345 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: and from some of these golf states. 346 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: And I thought his lying when he was in. 347 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia that the future of the Middle East is commerce, 348 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: not chaos. 349 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: Right. I really like that speech me too. 350 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: He gets it in a way that other people don't. 351 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 2: That like, when you have these mutual economic ties, you 352 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 2: have a shared desire for stability. 353 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: But sorry, continue no, Yeah, I was going to. 354 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 4: Say, I agree, and the only thing I would say 355 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 4: is that religious fundamentalism in these Islamic states is the problem. 356 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 3: It is the thing that to get over. 357 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 4: And Iran, for example, they had a flourishing society for 358 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 4: so long and then these fundamentalists came into power in 359 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 4: the late seventies, and now they don't. 360 00:18:58,359 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 3: And so the. 361 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 4: Mulas don't want commerce, they don't want McDonald they don't 362 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 4: want to do business with other countries. They just want 363 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 4: to subjugate their population and to keep them under control. 364 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 4: And so it's a real tough situation, but it will 365 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: involve a change of leadership in some places. I think 366 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia is in a really good place right now, 367 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 4: and I think what Trump said there resonates with countries 368 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 4: that are in that better place where they do want 369 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 4: a better life life for their people. I don't think 370 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 4: that some of these countries care about whether their people 371 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 4: are leading better lives. 372 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 3: I don't think that's the point for them at all. 373 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: Although there are Arab states that you know, that want 374 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 2: to be more modernized and hopefully they can help stabilize, 375 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: you know, hopefully they can be shut Yeah. 376 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 4: Exactly, those countries help stabilize the rest. 377 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: You know, that's that's the goal, right Carol. I love you, 378 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: my friend. Is there anything else. 379 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: You'd like to leave us with before we go? 380 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 4: I just want to say that, Lisa Bouth, this is 381 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 4: the absolute and I love you, and we are going 382 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 4: to be hanging out very soon and I'm very excited 383 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 4: for that right now. 384 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: I can't wait. I've missed you a. 385 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 3: Lot of hugging selfies. 386 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 2: Yes we're like two ships in the night, but not 387 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 2: not this week. 388 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 3: So great. 389 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, Carol, thanks so much. I appreciate your time. 390 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 3: Thank you, Lisa. 391 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: It was Carol Markwoodz. Appreciate her for making the time 392 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 2: to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home 393 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 2: for listening every Tuesday and Thursday. 394 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: But you can listen throughout the week until next time.