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Speaker 1: Oh yes, welcome to Lakeke's Live. It's Sunday night, February,

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Speaker 1: fifth year of our Lord, twenty twenty three. He hired

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Speaker 1: homes homes? Did Nick Saban hire? Will it just happen?

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Speaker 1: So chances are some of you who have been out

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Speaker 1: and about on this beautiful thing don't even know. We

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Speaker 1: have a new defensive coordinator hired to talk about We're

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Speaker 1: really nice weather today downtown Nashville, Tennessee. Yeah, they got

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Speaker 1: a new defensive coordinator at Alabama. It's not who you

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Speaker 1: thought it would be. It's just not. So don't pose

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Speaker 1: that you don't do that either. We're also going to

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Speaker 1: change college football history this evening and possibly one of

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Speaker 1: the most provocative, challenging, but maybe rewarding exercises of our time.

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Speaker 1: I challenged you guys earlier today, picks moments out in

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Speaker 1: on the overall sport. And we got fought. We got

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Speaker 1: tens of thousands of submissions, so you guys had some

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Speaker 1: free time on your hands today. I'm a little you know,

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Speaker 1: because they're still hot, even though these are handwritten figuratively,

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Speaker 1: That's why we don't take an off season around here. One.

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Speaker 1: If you asked me to talk about Mott drafts, this

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Speaker 1: is not an NFL show. We don't traffic in that. However,

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Speaker 1: a Mott draft tonight. I am, however, going to take

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Speaker 1: get to on this Sunday evening. They're watching us in

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Speaker 1: coming back in forty eight hours or maybe even less,

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Speaker 1: I guess, depending on time of day you asked for it.

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Speaker 1: Producer Jesse badgered me about it. Director Colin just gave

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Speaker 1: me that look that let me know he wants it back.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's dive in. We have some news. The

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Speaker 1: Chris Lowe about an hour and a half ago, report

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban is hiring Kevin Steele as his defensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: your faces out there. That Kevin Steele, yep, that one.

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Speaker 1: That one. He's being hired as the defensive coordinator at Alabama.

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Speaker 1: To recap, Nick Saban has hired a thirty year old

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Speaker 1: Alabama right now. Am I surprised? Well, forty eight hours

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Speaker 1: It was a name always on the periphery. I've got

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Speaker 1: Here's what happens. Anytime Nick Saban does anything, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: People have the tendency to just blindly trust Nick Saban.

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Speaker 1: I am one of those people, mind you, So we people,

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Speaker 1: you think Nick Saban's doing? And he said, it feels

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Speaker 1: You're just not selling me that. With all of the

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Speaker 1: You won't sell me on that. That's why I use

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Speaker 1: the word conditions. You see me, well, you know what,

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Speaker 1: let me go hypothetical on you. If I'm loaded, If

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Speaker 1: very well may be that that's what we're looking at

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Speaker 1: So forget the figurative timeline there. But there is no

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Speaker 1: way that you're convincing me that there are no conditions,

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Speaker 1: There are no caveats, there's nothing Nick Saban knows that

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Speaker 1: we do know. This is just as it appears. Nick Saban,

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Speaker 1: all options on the table has decided. Thirty nine year

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Speaker 1: isn't that a great question? And if he is your

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Speaker 1: and a coach till he's one hundred and fourteen years old. Like,

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Speaker 1: long does Nick Saban have left? Everyone says, Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: now in twenty fifty whatever that would be, Nick Saban's

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Speaker 1: I don't know how long into the future he's looked here.

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Speaker 1: I am very aware, heenly aware at what a job

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Speaker 1: a head coaching job. And he said that exact thing

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Speaker 1: to me. Only way I'm leaving here is for a

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Speaker 1: that's how that job and working for that man is

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Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, a big time touchdown. Aaron Murray's driving the

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Speaker 1: Dogs down the field and they get down inside the

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Speaker 1: ten yard line. There's fifteen seconds to go, and you

429
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Speaker 1: remember what happened? Yeah, no, maybe some of you are young. Well,

430
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: the clock's running and George is not spiking it, and

431
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Speaker 1: Murray looks out wide, balls tipped falls to the ground.

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Speaker 1: Robert Lester makes the tackle there and Georgia's five yards

433
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Speaker 1: away from the end zone. Clock runs out, Crimson and

434
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Speaker 1: white confetti falls to the Georgia Dome, the late Georgia Dome.

435
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: God blessed the Georgia Dome too, And there goes Alabama

436
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Speaker 1: off to splatter Notre Dame all over Miami for a

437
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: national championship. What if I changed that? What if I

438
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Speaker 1: changed that moment? What if I clock the ball? What

439
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: if the ball falls in complete. What if Georgia has

440
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: one more play and they throw it to the end

441
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: zone touchdown, dogs whim. There are a few truths and

442
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: few certainties in this world, but I feel pretty darned

443
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Speaker 1: certain that Georgia would have handled business against Notre Dame.

444
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: Now I want you to think again, Bama's on the

445
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Speaker 1: other side of this equation. Somehow, they're fine. This wouldn't

446
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Speaker 1: have impacted Alabama in my mind, very much at all.

447
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: But what would it have done for Georgia Because mark

448
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: Rick was out of there three years later thirteen fourteen fifteen.

449
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: I think sixteen yees sixteen was Smart's first year, so

450
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Speaker 1: that was twenty twelve. Twenty fifteen was the last year

451
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Speaker 1: for mark Rick. You're certainly not giving him the boot

452
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Speaker 1: if he's locked down a NASH championship. In fact, the

453
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: entire reason for giving him the boot is the going

454
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Speaker 1: narrative around him was he's good enough to be good,

455
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Speaker 1: but he's not good enough to make us great. We

456
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Speaker 1: got to go find a guy who will take us

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Speaker 1: to the next level. And for their credit, they have

458
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: done that at Georgia. But if they had a national

459
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Speaker 1: championship in their back pocket, all of a sudden, where's

460
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Speaker 1: Kirby Smart? Now? I don't think Kirby Smart would have

461
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Speaker 1: been in Alabama all that much longer than he was. Anyway,

462
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: I think Kirby Smart eventually would have taken a head

463
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Speaker 1: coaching job. It's just that it would have been South Carolina.

464
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Speaker 1: In fact, I think Georgia is pretty well known at

465
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Speaker 1: this point. Georgia moved when they did because they knew

466
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Speaker 1: that South Carolina was probably about to get Kirby Smart.

467
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: Kirby was beyond ready for a head coaching job. He

468
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Speaker 1: was turning down offers before even that cycle. And so

469
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Speaker 1: the South Carolina jobs available, and it looks like that's

470
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Speaker 1: gonna happen, and Kirby Smart's represented by the right guy,

471
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Speaker 1: and so Kirby Smart ends up with the head coaching

472
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Speaker 1: job at Georgia. Job's not coming open, point blank, Amtonia

473
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Speaker 1: is not coming open if Georgia were to win that

474
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Speaker 1: twenty twelve SEC championship game, So then it could very

475
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Speaker 1: well be that Kirby Smart just ends up at Georgia

476
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Speaker 1: sometime down the road. Anyway, I don't know what would

477
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Speaker 1: have happened to Mark Rickt, but think about how differently

478
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Speaker 1: we talk about him see right now, Kirby Smart to

479
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: me has already become a legendary figure at Georgia, even

480
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Speaker 1: though he's not fifty years old yet, because he did

481
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Speaker 1: the thing that hardly anyone else, if for a few

482
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Speaker 1: generations could do, no one else could do. That's win

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Speaker 1: the title. He was the first one Postdoley to win

484
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Speaker 1: the title. There that could have been Mark Rick. It's

485
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: a game of inches. The margins are so narrow, so thin.

486
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Speaker 1: In fact, even after that happened, I was in the

487
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Speaker 1: very infancy of dipping my toe into the water of

488
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: sports talk radio in Columbus, Georgia at the time fifteen

489
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Speaker 1: eighty the Zone, and we, I mean, I can't tell you.

490
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Speaker 1: For how many months afterwards, we took calls of people saying, see,

491
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: that's proof that Mark Rick can't win the big One.

492
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Speaker 1: And I'm That's probably where my philosophy around the difference

493
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Speaker 1: between can't and haven't was formed, because even at the time,

494
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm dumb about everything, I'm ignorant to just

495
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Speaker 1: about everything. Some would argue I still am, but I

496
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: even I would agree I was at that point. But

497
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Speaker 1: even I knew, even rookie JP knew he was there

498
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Speaker 1: what do you mean he can't like it because Mark

499
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: Richt is on the sideline that ball found its way

500
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: into a receiver's hands instead of falling. It's just nonsense.

501
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: That's not the way sports work. And so I remember

502
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: thinking how dumb that was at that point, but it

503
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: didn't matter because that was sentiment, and sentiment eventually kind

504
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: of bleeds up to the decision makers and have long

505
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: since explained to you how impacted people who make decisions are,

506
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: especially the ones who claim that that has no impact

507
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: on their decision. It has all the impact in the world.

508
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: So those are the two the first two of many

509
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: moments that I think we could change in college football,

510
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: and it would greatly, greatly because not only that, You've

511
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: then got to ask yourself how many assistant coaches are

512
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: impacted by that? How many players that went and played

513
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: for Georgia in the first years of Kirby smart otherwise

514
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: aren't there? Like what would it have done to South

515
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: Carolina if Kirby took that job instead of taking the

516
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: Georgia job. All kinds of stuff you can think about. Okay,

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524
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545
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Speaker 1: news to discuss us, I guess some more news to discuss.

546
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: A lot of you were interested in this and I

547
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: have been as well, So so let's talk about it here.

548
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and Texas, where are they? Well, I'm going to

549
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: tell you where they are. They're stuck. They're just flat

550
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: out stuck. There was a it was a rumor, you know,

551
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: there was talk on the streets over the past few

552
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: months that this whole Ou Texas to the SEC thing

553
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: may happen as soon as next year. And then we

554
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: waited and we waited and we waited. Some some amongst

555
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: us down South even had to change our schedules because

556
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: we can't be playing a team out of conference that

557
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: may be coming in the conference sooner than we thought. Well,

558
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: that was all for naught because reports come out this

559
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: week at the conclusion of the Big Twelve meetings in

560
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: somewhere in Texas that to no go. They're stuck out there.

561
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: There was a lot of negotiation, a lot of backroom

562
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: wheeling and dealing. In the net result was nothing's coming

563
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 1: from it. They were trying to get them to the

564
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: SEC earlier, and there was a lot of negotiation amongst

565
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: high level mustaches at television networks exchanging inventory. What are

566
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: you going to give us if we let them out?

567
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: You need a lot of signatures. You know, that's a

568
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: paper that when you pop it, there have to be

569
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: a lot of signatures. And it's not just the SEC

570
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: and the Big Twelve commissioner and the president at Texas, no,

571
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, television partners have to come in the room

572
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: and say, oh, the contract you signed with us to

573
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Speaker 1: provide us content that we paid you nine figures for sure,

574
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: get out of it early. Oh what you know, what's

575
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: a few tens of millions here or there. They don't

576
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Speaker 1: tend to think that way. So in light of that,

577
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: I guess in lieu of that they had been negotiating

578
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: compensation package. Well, it fell through. They couldn't make it

579
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: make sense. Dollars and cents and The net result for

580
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: those of us who couldn't care less about all that stuff,

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00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: we're just fans, is they ain't going anywhere into twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. That means Texas and No, you have two

583
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: more years in the Big Twelve. I think that this

584
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: could very well be summed up in a tweet I

585
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: saw circulating, and that was from Braden gall and he said,

586
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: here's what we have here. I don't want to see

587
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: you anymore, but we're not moving out and we're not

588
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: allowed to see other people. What could go wrong? That's it.

589
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: That's what's happening with Texas and OU and the Big Twelve.

590
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: Neither of them want each other anymore, but neither of

591
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: them are going to move out, but they're not allowed

592
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: to see other people. And it's just it's gross. It

593
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: would work as a pilot for a series that I'm

594
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: going to pitch to Hulu or Netflix. I don't think

595
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: in the realm of college athletics, it's such a healthy thing,

596
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: and it's a real thing. By the way, you know,

597
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: these teams have to go on the road, and I

598
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: think we're still probably underestimating a little bit, although I

599
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: think they experienced it this past year. I think we're

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00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: still underestimating a little bit ugly. This gets in the

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00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: way of Texas and OU going on the road. Not

602
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: that they ever have it easy, but you know in

603
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: years past, you're a little bit more guarded. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're a little bit would I say professional, you little

605
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: bit more professional in the way you carry yourself when

606
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: you know they're going to come in here every twenty

607
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: four months. Now it's we're never going to see them again.

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00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: How do you act towards people you don't like that

609
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: you're never going to see again. It's not hard to

610
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: figure out. And so then times that by what five

611
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: or four depending on the balance of the conference schedule.

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00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: That's life on the road for them. The other thing

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00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: you need to keep in mind that everyone's watching behind

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00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: the scenes, including in the media industry, is Realignment's not done.

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00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: I know I haven't talked to you guys about this

616
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: in a while. It's only cause I don't have anything

617
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: new on it, but I have conversations about it often.

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Speaker 1: Realignment conference realignment. College football is not done. College athletics,

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Speaker 1: it's not done. I mean, the Big Twelve has been

620
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Speaker 1: looking at Gonzaga. They don't even play football there. Are

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Speaker 1: no Power five To my knowledge, there are no Power

622
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Speaker 1: five conferences that have the whole basketball only not a

623
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Speaker 1: football school thing. I can't remember if there are or not,

624
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: but it's very rare if it does exist, And so

625
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: realignment's not done now, Dennis Dodd, I need to call

626
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: him back. Not bad Dennis. Dennis Dodd has been reporting

627
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: for a while that Brett you Ormack and the Big

628
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: Twelve are interested in what we would call the Four

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Speaker 1: Corners schools. Now. Being a weather nerd I knew what

630
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Speaker 1: the four Corners were before I knew how to spell

631
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Speaker 1: my last name. Is there an accent over the e?

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Speaker 1: Is there? I don't know, but I knew about the

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Speaker 1: Four Corners region, And in college athletics terms, when we're

634
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: talking about the four Corner schools, we're talking about Arizona,

635
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Speaker 1: Arizona State, and we're talking about Colorado, and we're talking

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Speaker 1: about Utah And where are they going to end up?

637
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: Because right now they're out in the Pac twelve and

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00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: the thinking, if there may be some real life alignment

639
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: is maybe they head over to the Big Twelve, which

640
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: is currently a fourteen team league, which would then balloon

641
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: to eighteen unless they wait until after Texas, know, you leave,

642
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: in which case it would make the Big Twelve, which

643
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: was formerly ten teams, a sixteen team league. I hope

644
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: I haven't been unclear, So I don't know what's gonna

645
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: happen there, and I really don't think the decision makers

646
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: do either. And then there's this whole other thing where

647
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: you've got upheaval in the Big Ten. This is where

648
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: it gets really interesting, by the way, really complicated. You've

649
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: got some upheaval in the Big Ten. Who's gonna be

650
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: the new commissioner there? And how aggressive are they gonna be?

651
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: Kevin Warren went after anything that was moving? Well, how

652
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: aggressive is the new commissioner to be named in the

653
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: Big Ten gonna be when it comes to further expanding

654
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: the Big ten footprint? Is Oregon on the table? Is

655
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 1: Washington on the table? Is one willing to move without

656
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: the other? Hoos knows? Maybe Hawaii gets into this for

657
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: all I know. I think there's a team up in

658
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 1: Alaska that has Polar Bear sometimes surrounding a blue field.

659
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: Anything and everything is in play at this point, but

660
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: realignment's not done. So don't get too cozy, is all

661
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Looking at the current lineup of these teams.

662
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: But as for Texas and OU, you're gonna see them

663
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: play a road game at Florida eventually. It's just not

664
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: gonna be in twenty twenty three, and for that matter,

665
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be in twenty twenty four. Bold Predictions

666
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: the other night. Actually, Bold Predictions the other night went

667
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: good for me. Bold Predictions two shows ago made a

668
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: fool out of me, and I've been on a little

669
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: bit of a war path around the office ever since.

670
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: And I've told Jesse, because I notoriously like to not

671
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: look at these until right before the show, and so

672
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, Jesse delights in kind of springing on me

673
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: moments where I look like an idiot. It happens to

674
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: all of us if we go through prediction season. You know, famously,

675
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: two shows ago, someone predicted that Texas A and M

676
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: was gonna barely make a Bowl game, and I had

677
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: the good sense in August to say they have a

678
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: disaster proof roster. So that's how my February is going

679
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: so far. With that in mind, Bold Predictions, what did

680
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: you predict in August that you claimed he would back

681
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: with your own hard earned money. Well, we're starting off

682
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: on a good note here because Florida State made someone

683
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: a winner. Austin, to be exact, said Florida State will

684
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: finish with more than eight wins. You know what, I'm

685
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: gonna stop it there for the sake of Austin. He

686
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: just said they're gonna win more than eight games. As

687
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, FSU went nine to three regular

688
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: season ten and three would Bowl win. Really good year

689
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: from Mike Norvel and they had those back to back

690
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: to back losses to Wake, NC State and Clemson right

691
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: there in the middle of the season by ten points,

692
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: two points, and six points respectively. Florida State's trending in

693
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: the right direction. Needless to say, we're gonna talk about

694
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: them more Thursday night. There's a little spoiler for you

695
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: down there in Tallahassee. I had Bryan McFadden text to

696
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: me last night. Be mack is not a lengthy texter,

697
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: so he sends me April fifth. Excuse me, he sends

698
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: me a date. We're live backtrack over that. So if

699
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: I leaked information, I'm sorry, but he sends me a

700
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: date and it could mean anything, but for him to

701
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: be sending me that date at this very moment in time,

702
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: I know he probably means that's the FSU Spring game,

703
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: and I need to be down there in Tallahassee. And

704
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: for the record, I may very well be down there

705
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: because I'm excited for meaningful games to be happening in

706
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: dok again. But in the meantime, I put a seven

707
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: on this prediction, so I didn't think it was the

708
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: boldest prediction in the world. I was on board. I

709
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: was cautiously on board. And when they won that LSU

710
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: game to start the year, then I was really on board.

711
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: All right. This other one was doomed to failure, but

712
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: we acknowledge it anyway. Brennan said, Bama and Georgia will

713
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: each have a loss during the month of September. This,

714
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: of course, was not going to happen. Now one of

715
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: them could have lost a game. Remember Georgia opened against Oregon,

716
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: which was a splattering but at the time the line

717
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: was like in the teens, so Georgia, they of course

718
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: go undefeated. Their margins of victory by the way Week one, two,

719
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: three four were forty six, thirty three, forty one, and seventeen.

720
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: That pesky Kent State team pushed Georgia a little bit

721
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: in Athens, but otherwise blowouts and blood bats. Now, Texas

722
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: did take Alabama to the limit, but for this to

723
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: come true, we needed both of them to lose, and

724
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: neither of them lost games. Bama didn't lose until third

725
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: week of October, and Georgia didn't lose at all, so

726
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: they made it very very academic there. Now they're also

727
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: very healthy at the beginning of the year. This is

728
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: not This is not a wise way to spend your

729
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: money on predictions. Next up, we got a go to

730
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: old fashioned half and half for Joseph. Notre Dame says, Joseph,

731
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: we'll lose at Ohio State. Check. That's the half and

732
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: half part. Unfortunately, the prediction continues. They're gonna lose at

733
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: Ohio State and then run the table to get in

734
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: the playoff. That's that echo. Since we can't do it live,

735
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: I sometimes add my own reverb. Notre Dame didn't make

736
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: the playoff. Spoiler alert for those of you who recorded

737
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: the end of the season and haven't watched it yet.

738
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: Notre Dame does not make the playoff, but they did

739
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: lose to Ohio State. Spoiler alert for those of you

740
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: who haven't watched any of the season. And I guess

741
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: if you needed this prediction to start off the best

742
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: way possible, you need them to lose competitively at Ohio State.

743
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: Well they did. They were competitive, they led kind of late,

744
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: and then they didn't lead and they lost. The problem, friends,

745
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: was Marshall waiting in the wings. And they lost to

746
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: Marshall twenty six to twenty one. And frankly, it wasn't

747
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: as close as the final score indicated. Sometimes people say

748
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: it's not even close, and it wasn't even close. This

749
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: one kind of wasn't even close. And at that point

750
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: people went from asking whether Notre Dame can rebound and

751
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: make the playoff too? Is Notre Dame going to make

752
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: a bowl game? Well, they got it right. They finished

753
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: nine and four, so they got things right and they

754
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: finished nine and four. But yeah, this one wasn't gonna happen.

755
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: Now here's what I will say for this prediction. If

756
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: a big if, If I could take that version of

757
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: Notre Dame that we saw play Clemson and run for

758
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: what was it, Jesse, They ran for like eight hundred

759
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: and forty two yards against Clemson. If I could take

760
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: that and I could bottle it up and duplicate it

761
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: times ten or eleven. Notre Dame would have been in

762
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: the playoff. Yes, Surrey, but we could not do that.

763
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: That was a that was a one time only for

764
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: the old Irish of this season, and so as a

765
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: result we got to settle for nine and four. But

766
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: we always have the Clemson game, don't we? Moving forward? Ooh,

767
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: this is a bad one. Frank, whose profile picture is

768
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: a hot dog mustard only, says Brian Kelly is overhyped

769
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: and LSU was nothing special last year. They won't be

770
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,479
Speaker 1: anything special this year. They won't even make a bowl game.

771
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: Frank Hales from Conway ARCA saw, Well, it's a bad

772
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: night in Conway, because not only did LSU make a

773
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: bowl game, they did so after winning the West, beating

774
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: Alabama and playing for the SEC championship. LSU was bowl

775
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: eligible as of October twenty second, and that's with them

776
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: losing in Week one to LSU, they still punched their

777
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: bowl eligibility ticket. Before Halloween, they were nine and three

778
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: on the season, they were nine and four after Atlanta,

779
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: and they were ten and four after doing some completely

780
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: and utterly illegal things to Purdue in the bowl game.

781
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: So this was a bad prediction. Here's the worst part

782
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: of it all. I put a six on this on

783
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: the boldness scale, and I don't really know why. I

784
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: do know why because when I looked at LSU's schedule

785
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,240
Speaker 1: and we looked at the difficulty factor, it was gonna

786
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: be nip and tuck. I think the over underwin total

787
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: for them was either six or seven. So this wasn't

788
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: a wild prediction. It's just the way it turned out

789
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: makes it look wild. So, you know what, I have

790
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: to defend us, Paper Pop. Since I was kind of

791
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: complicit in this, I have to defend us. I remember

792
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: getting into it over on the Go twenty four seven

793
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: board and actually some of the LSU fans kind of

794
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: agreed with me, and it took me by surprise. And

795
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: as it turns out, you guys should have drugged me

796
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: because I was wrong, all right. In c State, this

797
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: one was a very interesting prediction. Listen to what Alex said.

798
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: He said in C State's gonna be the real deal

799
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: this year and they will finish with the best record

800
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: of all teams in both Carolinas. So I asked producer

801
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: Jesse how many Power five teams are in the Carolinas?

802
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: Can you name that off the top of your head.

803
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm gonna give you seven seconds. There

804
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: are six of them and it is Clemson, North Carolina,

805
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: in C State, South Carolin on a Wake, and Duke.

806
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: Yeah that's six. Okay, this didn't turn out well. NC

807
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: State finished behind Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, and South Carolina.

808
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: Now here's the wild part. They didn't finish behind South Carolina.

809
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: They actually had the same record and the same record

810
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: as Wake. So you could either look at it as

811
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: they tied for fourth or they were tied for last.

812
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: Whatever makes you sleep better at night. I just want

813
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: to tell you this that's not This is burying the lead,

814
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: which inexplicably is spelled lede whatever. There was reason to

815
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: believe in this because I think that there was Jesse.

816
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: Wasn't it one power five team that was returning quarterback,

817
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: oc DC and head coach in the entire ACC and

818
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: it was NC State only Carolina school. It sounded so

819
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: much better one fact checkers ruin everything, so okay, in

820
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: the Carolinas, there was only one team that was returning

821
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: all of those pieces. They had Devin Leary at quarterback.

822
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: We had watched him throw out at Elite eleven because

823
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: you know some of the counselors or current players, and

824
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: so you know, we're feeling really good about NC State.

825
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: The here's the prop bet. What if I told you

826
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: that all six of them were gonna win eight games

827
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: or more. That's the wild part. Somebody's got to miss

828
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: Bowl eligibility. You got six of them over there, someone's

829
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: got to be the underachiever. And as it turns out, no,

830
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: not really, Clemson wins the ACC but even if you're

831
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 1: last in the Carolina as you're winning eight games, it's

832
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: just amazing. NC State looked good on paper. Man, they

833
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: were gonna be a dog at Clemson. They were gonna

834
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: be favored in the rest of their games, and it

835
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: just it did not work out. Well. Are we have

836
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: a unique question coming up here? I don't know that

837
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: from my money, I don't know that we've ever done

838
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: a segment on this, So you know what, We're gonna

839
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: see how it goes, because a lot of you ask

840
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: me about it, but I just never really, I never

841
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: feel like doing it. I didn't miss ec I'm in

842
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: a rare move. I'm going to spar with people in

843
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: the live chat. I said power five teams, that's what

844
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: the prediction said Power five teams in the Carolinas. So

845
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: I didn't miss ECU. I think ECU may have the

846
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: best midfield logo in all of college football. You can't.

847
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: It's hard to go wrong with the Pirate. ECU does

848
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: a good job. Love the color scheme, but not Power five.

849
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: So let's wrap up with this question here that we got,

850
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do my best. I'm gonna do my

851
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: old fashioned best here. After a sip from the Chalice,

852
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: Dorian said, I never miss a show from Tuscaloose, Alabama.

853
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the latest Mountain drafts? Now,

854
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: what I do not do is put out a Motton draft.

855
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: But what I do do is I look at him

856
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: right along with you guys, and I have some thoughts

857
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: so much so that look, not only do we have

858
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: a piece of paper that we can pop, but we

859
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: also can pull off the extra rare post it pop

860
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: because I have an unfortunate list of quarterbacks that I'm

861
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: gonna go down in just a second. Yeah, I've looked

862
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: at some mount drafts, and I've seen the mel Kipers

863
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: of the world. I've seen what they've put out. Now

864
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna, you know, just rain

865
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: Hot takes all over it, because let's be real, it's February.

866
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: A lot of this is gonna change. But I'm seeing

867
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: right now. Of course c J. Stroud or Bryce Young

868
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: projected to be the number one overall quarterback taken to me,

869
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: that's just a matter of preference. Now, I will say

870
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: you could you could convince me either way there. I

871
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: think the size with Bryce Young is something that just

872
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: is he's listed at six foot. Jesse doesn't believe it.

873
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: We have an ongoing prop bet in that department which

874
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: I will win, not by much, but I will win.

875
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: But if that's not a concern to you, and you

876
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: still lean Bryce Young for other reasons, I don't know.

877
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: Maybe you watched c J. Stroud, who has the size advantage.

878
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: Maybe you saw a facet of his game that over

879
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: the cliff facing the fan, kind of facet that you

880
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: didn't see a lot of. And I will understand that

881
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: until you turn on the Georgia game. Because in that

882
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: Georgia game, granted it's a one game sample size, but

883
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: it was a big game. I thought he exhibited all that,

884
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: ironically in a loss, but I thought he exhibited all that,

885
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: So who I don't I don't even know. Really, I

886
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: don't even know where I would lean right now. That's

887
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: why they pay me the big bucks to sit here

888
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: and tell you I don't know, but I really don't know.

889
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: Give me, give me the second pick, and you can

890
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: take whichever one you want, and I'll be happy to

891
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:37,479
Speaker 1: win with the backup. Anthony Richardson though, Will Levis, though,

892
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: those are the ones that I find a little more interesting,

893
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: because this is when we delve into the dangerous world

894
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: of projecting tools. Bryce Young's proven CJ. Strout's proven. Will

895
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: Levis is not. Anthony Richardson absolutely is not. And yet

896
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: you've got both of them being mocked in first rounds,

897
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: in fact, widely mocked in first rounds. Mocked is, by

898
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: the way, not a pejorative in this context. And I

899
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: look at these mock drafts with Will Levis up there

900
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: and Anthony Richardson up there, I understand what the Justin

901
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: Herbert protocol is. I understand, for instance, that Josh Allen

902
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: exists guys that weren't in New York City Front and

903
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: Center and Heisman Trophy ceremonies but ended up having the

904
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: tools that when properly utilized and leveraged at the next

905
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: level ended up shining. Yeah. I get all that. Here's

906
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: what else I get. You can run yourself out of

907
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: a job in that league looking for the next fill

908
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: in the blank. In that case, justin Herbert Josh Allen

909
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at Will Levis. I know the monster

910
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: arm that Anthony Richardson has. But here's the problem. I

911
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: sit there and watch the draft every year and I

912
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: have to hit mute sometimes because it's so nauseating to

913
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: have watched these guys for four or five years and

914
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: then have analysts who clearly have put like six weeks

915
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: of research in try and explain to me who they

916
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: are as players. We know who Will Levis has been.

917
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: There is nothing about Will Levis's college resume that screams

918
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 1: first round NFL draft pick, nor is there with Anthony Richardson.

919
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they can't fulfill that potential. It just

920
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: means it's unrealized potential. And if that's the case, if

921
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: either of those guys are that, it means they have

922
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: tools that haven't been fully utilized yet that some NFL

923
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: franchise is going to utilize. You play that game, you

924
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: may very well wind up with you, Justin Herbert, But

925
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a list in front of me here.

926
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: I just asked Jesse go find me some first round quarterbacks.

927
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: It didn't pan out, and Buddy, I have a front

928
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: and back of this post it and he could have

929
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: kept going. Josh Rosen, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder,

930
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: Brandon Whedon is on here, as is EJ. Manual Blake Bortles,

931
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:57,479
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater, Packston Lynch. I'd forgotten about, as has most

932
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 1: of the league. Mitch Trubisky. So yeah, I sat there

933
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: on first round selection night and I listened to someone

934
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: sell me on every one of those guys having the tools.

935
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: They got the tools. Might I suggest to you it

936
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: takes a little bit more than that. Might I suggest

937
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: to you those are starting points, and there are some

938
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: things between the tools and the field that it's just man,

939
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: it's a crap shoot. Even with all the knowledge at

940
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: your disposal, it's a crap shoot. So yeah, if we

941
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: were talking about second or third round selections, yeah, that'd

942
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: be different. They're being mocked in first rounds Jackson Smith

943
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: and Jigba. However, according to some mock drafts I looked

944
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: at today, maybe not a top ten selection, and I

945
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: just want to tell you, I think it's a mistake.

946
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't think there are ten better players in the draft.

947
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: I know that's not how the draft works. So allow

948
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: me for just a second to ask you a question.

949
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: If you don't have Jackson Smith and jig but wide

950
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: receiver from Ohio State, if you don't have him mocked

951
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: in the first ten picks, and you tell me, well,

952
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: it's just the way the order is set up. I

953
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: just don't think enough teams who need a receiver are

954
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: drafting in the top ten. Okay, that's fine, but I

955
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: don't think everyone fits that description. I think some people

956
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: just don't have him in the top ten because they

957
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: have other concerns, maybe mild, but concerns. Those are the

958
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: ones I want to talk to. Is it the injury?

959
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Or where you rubbed the

960
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,439
Speaker 1: wrong way a little bit by those rumors out there

961
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 1: great album Dirty in the college football world though, Where

962
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: you rubbed the wrong way by the rumors that he

963
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: could have come back if he wanted to played at

964
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: some point this year, but he sandbagged it and he

965
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: sat out. I think those have kind of been debunked,

966
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: but once they're said, you can't get him back. Nevertheless,

967
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: because we've had kids do that before. By the way

968
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: they called it, they called it sitting out for COVID

969
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: related reasons. Two years ago, there were a lot of

970
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: kids who could have played and didn't and ended up

971
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: being drafted. Someone went on to be fine, some of

972
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: them didn't. Pretty much the normal bus drake is that

973
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: what you're a little bit lower on JSN for I

974
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: would caution against it. I would have really cautioned against it.

975
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: If you want to doubt his top end speed, do that,

976
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: to which I would advise you to look at the

977
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: route running by the way, which is he shouldn't be

978
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 1: that polished to have had the relatively limited college experience

979
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: that he has. I think he's going to be a really,

980
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: really good player for a long time. So if Pate

981
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: State had a pro franchise, I'd be looking at him

982
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: as one of my top ten. Also a couple of

983
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: other guys I saw some of them in mock drafts

984
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 1: in the top round and I saw some not. Brian

985
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: Brazie at Clemson very interesting case study, as is Brian

986
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: Branch from Alabama, Brazi. You remember, five star out of

987
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: high school, one of the more impressive guys that I

988
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: know the scouting department had looked at in several years,

989
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: and he had injury this past year. When he's played,

990
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 1: he been dominant, but he had injury this past year.

991
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: Had a lot of personal issues off the field, not

992
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 1: trouble issues, you know, like death and the family issues

993
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: off the field. So I know that there was a

994
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: mixed response when he declared for the draft. I wasn't

995
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: surprised he declared for the draft. I thought he proved

996
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: pretty much what he needed to prove at the college level.

997
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: It certainly is true. There is some merit to the

998
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: idea that had he come back and played a fully

999
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,959
Speaker 1: healthy season, he would have locked himself into top fifteen status.

1000
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: So I could have seen it go either way. I

1001
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: thought he was going to declare, though, and he did,

1002
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm gonna be surprised if he didn't end

1003
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: up working his way into everyone's first round by the

1004
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: time the draft is here. Brian Branch, some people have

1005
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: him like late first round, early second round. He's a

1006
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: safety from Alabama. There were some underwhelming parts of Alabama's

1007
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: defense this year, Branch was not one of them, and

1008
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: I know that he projects as a corner for some

1009
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: teams out there. He's multifaceted, can play several different positions,

1010
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: and very very smart. He's He's a guy who will

1011
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: probably transition pretty well to so Brazil and Branch. I

1012
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: think by the time Draft night arrives, I expect to

1013
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: see both of them in pretty much every one of

1014
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: those first round modern drafts. Really really interesting, wide variety

1015
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: of content on the show tonight. Okay, one more reminder.

1016
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Speaker 1: Two things like the video in no uncertain terms, not

1017
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: even asking, just a demand like the video, but thank

1018
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: you for doing it. And other thing that I need

1019
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: you to remember is Late Kick Extra podcast back by

1020
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: popular demand this Tuesday. Now. I don't know how long

1021
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: we're going to go. Could be thirty minutes, could be

1022
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: two hours, but we will be back. The only way

1023
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: to get that is in podcast form, and by that

1024
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: I mean Apple Podcast. It could be in Google Play,

1025
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: it could be in Spotify. You choose where you want

1026
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: to listen, but listen is what you're going to have

1027
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: to do. Theater of the Mind is back and back

1028
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Speaker 1: back in a big way. I will put out on

1029
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: Instagram and Twitter. At late kick, Josh, I will put

1030
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: out the call to actions, probably sometime tomorrow. Give me

1031
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: your questions and I'll roll through life. Sometimes we get

1032
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: to twenty of them in a show. I prefer it to

1033
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: be college football related, doesn't have to be. We kind

1034
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: of have a healthy mixed bag of all sorts of questions.

1035
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Speaker 1: So with that in mind, let's go get started on

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Speaker 1: I think another great new show or direct Colin for

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Speaker 1: producer Jesse. I'm Josh Bate. Take care, have a great

1038
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Speaker 1: rest of your evening and start to your week. In governments,