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Speaker 1: The trade deadline is just a month away, and the

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Speaker 2: Hy Loura McGill's hurt.

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Speaker 1: We have some guys come back from injury code I

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Speaker 1: And that's what we're gonna talk about. Say, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: go through our ten pictures the Mets need to trade for.

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Speaker 1: But in a little bit of a different style, we

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Speaker 1: are going to do a snake draft. James has first picked.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna tell you who you want. I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 1: You understand how it works. We're doing a draft and

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Speaker 1: you can let us know in the common section down below,

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Speaker 1: and pitching trade deadline needs this season. James, the floor's yours.

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Speaker 1: Get it started. Where you're going with pick one to one.

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Speaker 3: This was a meme.

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Speaker 2: This was a bit. Now I think it might be

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Speaker 2: more real than ever. One to one I means so

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Speaker 2: one of the best pitchers in the lady. It's definitely

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Speaker 2: trade deadline. Take a Jacob to.

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Speaker 1: Gram this guy, this guy. I mean, listen, I had

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're telling me we're we're doing a pitching

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Speaker 2: Not one one? Like he is one one. The only

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Speaker 2: slightly by the baseball They climbed back to five hundred.

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Speaker 2: They're a better team they played so far, and the

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Speaker 2: American League is horrific. The Red Sox is traded their

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Speaker 2: But I think that the Jacob de gram rumors, the

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Speaker 2: But I'm really running hard with the rumor I heard

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna take that, and I'm gonna be serious

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Speaker 2: a Jacob de Graam trade, whether it be the Mets

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Speaker 2: Jacob de Gram has come back this year from the

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Speaker 2: Jacob de grim To not walked back through that door,

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Speaker 2: Jacob de Gram's era is under two point two, his

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Speaker 2: He's actually reintroduced the changeup back to his repertoire in

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Speaker 2: if there's a chance to get Jacob to Grim back

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Speaker 2: still be on that staff. He could pitch a game

434
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Speaker 2: of the playoffs. He could pitch and relief very easily,

435
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Speaker 2: get those extra few takes on his fastball that make

436
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Speaker 2: a big difference. He's someone I think would be a

437
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Speaker 2: really great addition to this team, and he's pitching on

438
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Speaker 2: a great contract.

439
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Speaker 1: I listen, you know you turned me into Efflin guy

440
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Speaker 1: because I remember, going back to twenty nineteen, I did

441
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Speaker 1: a spring training trip.

442
00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,240
Speaker 2: He was on the Phillies.

443
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Speaker 1: I was chirping the shit out of Zach Eflin throwing

444
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Speaker 1: one of his bullpens because he was thrown like eighty eight.

445
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Speaker 1: And then he fixed that injury and he all of

446
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Speaker 1: a sudden became a very very capable picture, and you

447
00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,280
Speaker 1: were quick to it. You were always a believer of

448
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Speaker 1: Zach Eflin, So I'll always give you that.

449
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Speaker 2: I agree.

450
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Speaker 1: I think he'd be a nice picture to get, just

451
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Speaker 1: because at the absolute worst, he's going to give you

452
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Speaker 1: innings on this team, and that's something that we desperately need.

453
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Speaker 1: A lot of our pictures don't go very deep into games.

454
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Speaker 2: Totally funny, James CHANNELRD Zach Ethlin. That was the first

455
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Speaker 2: piece of content I ever made. I wrote a blog

456
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Speaker 2: about him fixing his knees. He had a he had

457
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Speaker 2: some kind of degenerati knee issue, I think in both

458
00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,399
Speaker 2: of his knees, and he couldn't really follow through with

459
00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,160
Speaker 2: the ball. He was like kind of stopping his back

460
00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,960
Speaker 2: with stiff every time he came through, and he was

461
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Speaker 2: sitting eighty eight. Like you said, still got to the

462
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Speaker 2: basically to the major leagues as a picture like that,

463
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Speaker 2: which is a testament to how good his command is

464
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Speaker 2: and his mechanics. But once he fixed that, he kind

465
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Speaker 2: of became a guy that contract sound a few years

466
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Speaker 2: ago with the race was amazing. From the trade deadline

467
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Speaker 2: on this season, he'd be do about seven and a

468
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Speaker 2: half million dollars, which that is going to be something

469
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Speaker 2: sad like that plays into these considerations the Mets just

470
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Speaker 2: because every dollar we spend is being taxed one hundred

471
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Speaker 2: ten percent because of repeat luxury tax defenders inside the contact.

472
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Speaker 2: That's I mean to consider. But he's a guy that

473
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Speaker 2: can fix a lot of holes very quickly, and he's

474
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Speaker 2: only on a team through the end of the season.

475
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Speaker 1: Okay, listen, I can get behind Zach Eflin. He's he's

476
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Speaker 1: been a very very good pitcher. I am my starting

477
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Speaker 1: pitchings all over the place. So I'm actually I'm gonna

478
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Speaker 1: go two relievers in a row here. I'm gonna rip offs,

479
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Speaker 1: get them off the board, steal something from you, and

480
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead, and I'm gonna say Ryan Helsley

481
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Speaker 1: number one reliever for me.

482
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one.

483
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Speaker 1: Cardinals are looking to probably sell. They've cooled off a bit.

484
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Speaker 1: Like you said, it's gonna be tough for most teams

485
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Speaker 1: to compete in the National League differentan the American League.

486
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Speaker 1: If if the Cardinals in the American League, they'd be

487
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Speaker 1: one of the four best teams right now. In the

488
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Speaker 1: American League, they'd be running away they win the Pennit, Yeah,

489
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Speaker 1: they could win the Pennitt, but because they're in the

490
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Speaker 1: National League, they have like seven other teams that are

491
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Speaker 1: significantly better than them. Ryan Helsley expiring contract. You kind

492
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Speaker 1: of just can't hold on to him, even if the

493
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Speaker 1: Cardinals are truly competing. It's really hard to hold on

494
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Speaker 1: to a reliever that is going to walk at the

495
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Speaker 1: end of the year and you can cash in on

496
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Speaker 1: his value.

497
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Speaker 2: Ryan Heilsby throws a hundred.

498
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Speaker 1: His numbers are up a little bit this year, but

499
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Speaker 1: another one of those where it's like the stuff is

500
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Speaker 1: just so ridiculously good.

501
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Speaker 2: I kind of don't care what the era looks like

502
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Speaker 2: right now. Helsey's also how the weird thing happened to

503
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Speaker 2: him this season. A phenomenon that I learned the first

504
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Speaker 2: time is listening to Garrett Cole talk where he picked

505
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Speaker 2: up a cover just to try and add something new

506
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Speaker 2: to the repertoire. I try to have a new mix

507
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Speaker 2: something in there. As he picked up the cover, which

508
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,280
Speaker 2: kind of acted a little bit similar to his fastball.

509
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Speaker 2: That made his foresteam fastball cut more than it ever

510
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Speaker 2: had in his career before. This guy who came very

511
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Speaker 2: much over the top, just the grips, the way his

512
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,399
Speaker 2: arm was moving. It made a change. That overcutting of

513
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Speaker 2: his fastball has hurt his command of that pitch, and

514
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Speaker 2: that's kind of costed him to get into more trouble

515
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Speaker 2: and give him a lot more hard contact. This season,

516
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Speaker 2: he has stopped throwing that col now for about two months.

517
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Speaker 2: He's getting that fastball shaped back. It's still been a

518
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Speaker 2: little walky since then, But I do fully believe in

519
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Speaker 2: a guy like Ryan Helsey to get that command under

520
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Speaker 2: control and again get into an organization even for a

521
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Speaker 2: brief amount of time like the Mets, where you can

522
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Speaker 2: do a lot quickly, opposed to a team like the Cardinals,

523
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Speaker 2: who up until even maybe still to us right now,

524
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Speaker 2: are kind of living in the prehistoric era of pitching development.

525
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Speaker 2: So I do like I do like Helzy again, not

526
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Speaker 2: exactly it's a bi loo in real life, but some

527
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528
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529
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Speaker 2: of what we have infrastructure was.

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Speaker 1: And then for my second leiever, I'm gonna take I

550
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Speaker 1: am torn between two left handed guys. One of them

551
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Speaker 1: is on a team that I know we can get

552
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Speaker 1: them off. The other one is on a team that

553
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure really what they're doing. They just traded

554
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Speaker 1: one of their best players in Rafael Devers.

555
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Speaker 2: I think I have both of these guys on the list.

556
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Speaker 2: So whoever you don't take rest is sure that I'm

557
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Speaker 2: taking the other one man who I don't want? Who do

558
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Speaker 2: I want to let you talk more about? Do I

559
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Speaker 2: want to be able to talk about either of them?

560
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Speaker 2: So don't matiter.

561
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Speaker 1: Do I want to be on the record of taking

562
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Speaker 1: a role as Chapman or Caleb Ferguson those are the two.

563
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Speaker 2: Names, right, Yeah, I mean that's one of them. I'm list.

564
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you have Ferguson if you want them.

565
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Speaker 1: I'll take a role to Shapman. I know, for instance

566
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Speaker 1: in Ohio State, I think as well, so I'll let you.

567
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Speaker 1: I'll let you take him if you want him. A

568
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Speaker 1: role to Chapman. Simply still got it.

569
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Speaker 2: I mean he's throwing one hundred and one miles an hour. Again.

570
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Speaker 1: The Red Sox are in the weird position ever where

571
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Speaker 1: they're actually playing better, but they trade Rafael Devers. They

572
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Speaker 1: just beat the Mariners. They're in the playoffs. Technically as

573
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Speaker 1: of right now, so rold As Chapman for all intensive

574
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Speaker 1: purposes might not be available. He is rocking a one

575
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Speaker 1: to five var and a point eight three to three

576
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Speaker 1: whip this year forty two strikeouts and thirty innings. He's

577
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Speaker 1: been one of the more dominant relievers in Major League Baseball.

578
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Speaker 1: Garbage person, but boy, o, boy, can you throw a

579
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Speaker 1: wicked fastball? And that would really help out the Mets

580
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Speaker 1: with the left handed reliever, because we know that's a major, major.

581
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Speaker 2: Weak point right now in this bullpen. Yeah, but it

582
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Speaker 2: would be funny adding him to his bullpen where he

583
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,239
Speaker 2: wouldn't even beat the closers. He's never really he's never

584
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 2: really performed well in that situation either. True. But I again,

585
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Speaker 2: garbage person, I don't even think the front office and

586
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Speaker 2: this organization would bring him in. I think that's a

587
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 2: no flies zone for this team. Might be. But at

588
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Speaker 2: the same time, right now, Roldis Chapman somehow shockingly has

589
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Speaker 2: the lowest walk rate of his entire career, yes, his

590
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Speaker 2: whole career, his career to start in twenty ten with

591
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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Reads. The starting pitcher right now, Roldis Chapman

592
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Speaker 2: thirty seven years old, still throw one hundred miles an

593
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Speaker 2: hour lowest walk grade, and his fastball is a tick

594
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Speaker 2: harder than it was last season. Last year's averaging ninety eight,

595
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 2: this year averaging ninety nine. So something happened to worlds

596
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Speaker 2: chap in this offseason where he's just he hit kind

597
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Speaker 2: of a new gear again somehow, and he looks like

598
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Speaker 2: one of the ten or fifteen best relief pitchers in

599
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Speaker 2: all of baseball. Ferguson's an interesting one, yeah, because he

600
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Speaker 2: has stopped striking players out, and if you're a guy

601
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Speaker 2: like Caleber Ferguson, you stop striking people out. But the

602
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 2: velocity is still there. The stuff all looks pretty stable.

603
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Speaker 2: I don't really know why that is, and it's a

604
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Speaker 2: big enough sample size for again, I do not know

605
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Speaker 2: why that is. But as a left handed pitcher, the

606
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: fastball is interesting, the sinker is good. He has a

607
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 2: cover as well. That's the classic fastball triangle the Mets

608
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Speaker 2: loved so much. And he throws a curveball, which is

609
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: amazing because the curveball is much more ultoon neutral split

610
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Speaker 2: than a left handed pitcher whose big offspeed pitch would

611
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Speaker 2: be would be a slider. Is classified as a slur

612
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Speaker 2: of oddly enough on baseball savant, but also as a

613
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Speaker 2: curveball on sports and solutions through fangrafts. So I don't know,

614
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Speaker 2: but he's someone that is just he's been such a

615
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Speaker 2: great pitcher contact expression for a very long time. Weirdly

616
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Speaker 2: alsom the Pirates ballpoint with David Bednar. Also weirdly buddies

617
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Speaker 2: with my friend Ross, like David Bednar's his cousin, which

618
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Speaker 2: is crazy. If we could put a couple of Ross's

619
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Speaker 2: friends in his ballpen. I thought you were gonna go

620
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Speaker 2: Seth Albison for sure with your with your ballpen, guys.

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Speaker 2: I just I just don't think the Rockies are trading

622
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Speaker 2: him that's fair. I think I want to throw a

623
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Speaker 2: couple of other believers before you take your last star

624
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Speaker 2: the pick. I think we'll be on the move. I

625
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Speaker 2: took Cale Ferguson last. Oh, you took Cale Pergison. Okay,

626
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Speaker 2: got it. I think it's my last pick, right, I

627
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Speaker 2: only need one more? No, you got you got one

628
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Speaker 2: more starter? Now I believe No. I took Effllent. Oh

629
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Speaker 2: I do have them more starts. I only took to

630
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Speaker 2: Grom Okay, should I just go all the way in

631
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Speaker 2: for Mets turnaround reclamation projects here, that's up to you.

632
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Speaker 2: Like there was there was a report that came out

633
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Speaker 2: last week that the Royals might be looking to sell

634
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Speaker 2: if the no, I'll leave here for you them, because

635
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Speaker 2: I don't think that was realistic. So I'm actually gonna

636
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Speaker 2: I'll stick with the Texas Rangers. That was gonna be

637
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Speaker 2: Seth Lugo. That was gonna be Seth Lucas.

638
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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, he was like number three on my list,

639
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Speaker 1: and I was like, can I save him? Is this

640
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Speaker 1: gonna be sneaky one?

641
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Speaker 2: So here I'll go sneaky backshot there pause easy Tyler

642
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Speaker 2: Molly Waller Mohalley on the Rangers, someone who else I

643
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: believe is on an expiring contract, who has rebounded incredibly

644
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 2: well this season after a couple of years of Trouble's

645
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: arm surgery. This is that the other thing the fastball veloss.

646
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Speaker 2: He's not back, still sitting ninety two, but the shape

647
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Speaker 2: is all the way back, a little bit of armside movement, there,

648
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: tons of ride on that pitch. It's awesome. That splity

649
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 2: looks very good again, Lefties and Rriety's the color is good.

650
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: The slider's decent enough to mix in there injured on

651
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 2: the injured list right now. I do think that he's

652
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 2: someone that the Rangers, if the Rangers are trading pieces,

653
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 2: he will be one of the first guys to go.

654
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: And I think he's someone that similar to Eflyn, he's

655
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 2: not pitching Game one, he's not pitching Game two. He

656
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: might pitch Game three. If pitches Game four, he probably

657
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 2: feel okay about it. I think he's someone that if

658
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: he does prove he can be healthy, which will be

659
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 2: a big if for him right now. That's something that

660
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: I think that should a lot of other cadetic teams

661
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: will strongly consider.

662
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, mine's gonna be Seth Lugo.

663
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 2: The rules are sneaky, horrendous, terrible, Rockey.

664
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Speaker 1: They have three major league hitters, i think, right now

665
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: on their roster, which is kind of not yet yet.

666
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: He hasn't showed it yet the major league level just yet.

667
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: He's four a right now until he actually starts to

668
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: produce some numbers. I know the ex vealers are crazy.

669
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a phenomenal player, but

670
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: as of right now, he's not making any sort of

671
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: impact positively for this Royals team.

672
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 2: It's Bobby Witt, It's.

673
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: Mikel Garcia, and it's kind of Vinnie Pasquentino slash Salvador

674
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: Perez where it's like, yeah, those guys are the only

675
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: people that even hit at all on this roster. The

676
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: rest of it is so weak and their pitching is

677
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 1: still very good, but doesn't matter when you don't score run.

678
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: So Seth Lugo's my pick. Crazy Chris Boubich is also

679
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: a free.

680
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: Agent in two seasons.

681
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think they would trade him because that

682
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: seems like a guy who's young, go give him some money.

683
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: The Royals have been spending money, so I don't think

684
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: this is like a money issue per se. Where Lugo

685
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: makes more sense. Where he's thirty five, he has a

686
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: player option next season, I believe, or in two years.

687
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: Whatever the contract is, it's money that they could get

688
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: rid of on a pitcher who's thirty five thirty six

689
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: years old. And I know that his tenure with the

690
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: Mets ended weirdly, and there was always that weird back

691
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: and forth where he always wanted to be a starter

692
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: of the Mets never wanted him to be one, and

693
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: then he went to San Diego, instantly was a great starter.

694
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: It was like, see, I fucking told you so, I

695
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: don't know what that would be like. But also at

696
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: the same time, playoff baseball, Seth Lugo, now you're a starter.

697
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: You gotta get over it. Now you're a starter for

698
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: the New York Mets. I'd love to bring him back.

699
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: He's been awesome in the last few years. I feel

700
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: bad that we're really feeding into this nostalgia delusion more

701
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: than the Mets fans, but it's these are the guys available,

702
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: which is kind of ironic and strange, and Lugo also

703
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: is just such an artist at this point in his career.

704
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: Is so ironic that we were always like, Seth, you

705
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: guys just stopped throwing all these pitches, fastballs and curve

706
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: balls out of the pen. Do what you gotta do.

707
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: And now, just to stink it to us personally, throw

708
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 2: us thirteen different pitches every single start. It makes them

709
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: every single thing under the sun. But it's good. Again,

710
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: it's not great, But he's not Game one stars. He

711
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: could be a game too start, but he's definitely a

712
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 2: Game three starter, which is kind of where the Mets

713
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: are shopping unless Jacob de grom is actually realistically available,

714
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: which is not a terrible place to be because while

715
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: we do have tons of prospects trade right now, we'd

716
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: be well served to probably consolidate some of these assets

717
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: as this forty man roster crunch gets tight over the

718
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: next few years. If you guys albably talked about that

719
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 2: Matt Eddie last week, it's we're ready to go, We're

720
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: ready to make a move. You gotta start, you gotta

721
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: cash in a little bit. Because team is good, and

722
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: we're we this this is a great time to start

723
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: pushing some chips in definitely.

724
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: I mean, and we have the glut of prospects that

725
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: I think are attractive to other teams where I feel

726
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: comfortable enough moving them. And I also think teams are

727
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: comfortable enough where like we can turn these guys. These

728
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: guys are good ball players. Like we don't necessarily sure

729
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: those number one guys. We don't have those top ten

730
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: prospects in baseball, we don't have those blue chippers, as

731
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: we mentioned, but there's a lot of really good, valuable

732
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: players that will be major League Baseball players on rosters

733
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: for free for a very long time. The Mets have

734
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: a lot of those guys right now.

735
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mets fans love to go back to the twenty

736
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: twenty two trade deadline about how much of a disaster

737
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: that was, and looking back, it definitely wasn't a put

738
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: moment where that season changed. We lost a lot of momentum.

739
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: We didn't have anyone's fucking trade. That farm system was

740
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: so bad. There wasn't even one. It would have been

741
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: in prospect the whole thing. It would have been Princess Quaverrez,

742
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: it would have been Beady. Those were the guys. Mess

743
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: fan then that like, that's why you try all the prospects.

744
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,959
Speaker 2: But that's also we needed some players to also come

745
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: up and actually play major league games.

746
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, otherwise we'd have Tom Donovan Walton and who else

747
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: would be playing? Who would be playing catcher right now

748
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: for the Mets. We'd have had Hayden Sanger every single

749
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: day with Luis Urrentz, Like that'd be a problem.

750
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: We still have Tomasnedough, but that we're in the spot

751
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: to do that. Also, just throw some more names out

752
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: there that we had at least I had on my list,

753
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: like Soroka, he'd be definitely more of a swing man.

754
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: I think he would be a back end guy. You

755
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: see what you can do. That fastball is ninety five.

756
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: The shape is tolerable, the slur of is slurbing. He's

757
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: flashing someone that could be okay. I also had Tomoki

758
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: Sugano our guy in the list, and then and of

759
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: course said Lugo and then Chris Boom, which I thought

760
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: were interesting. But I think we need another week or

761
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: so before we get there.

762
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: And I got got some fun wars too. I got

763
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: some way let me throw out some fun starters as well.

764
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: I don't know why I got this thing with Austin Gomber,

765
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: who's terrible, but I feel like out of he might

766
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: he might have a little something. Every time he pitches

767
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: on the road briefly, I feel like he pitches kind

768
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: of well. Like he just made his debut for the

769
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: season five scoreless Sennings looked pretty good. He's someone that

770
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: had on here. Merril Kelly I think is gonna be

771
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: very available. I love favorite of James. I think, regardless

772
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: of whether they're super competitive or not, Merril Kelly might

773
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: be available. Aaron Savali just got traded to the White Sox.

774
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: He's not interesting at all, but he's someone who I

775
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: think will be available. If the Red Sox fall off,

776
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: Lucas Giolito will be available, and then just to throw

777
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: some craziness out there, Luis Severino's probably available if the

778
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: Mets goal I'm calling. I mean, the A's are so

779
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: horrible right now, I bet you they'd love to get

780
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: rid of Luis Averrino's contract.

781
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: I was honestly gonna text you as a bit before

782
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: the start that I was like, do you just want

783
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: to do only former Mets back and forth and like

784
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: see if anyone knows is because also I think Michael

785
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: Waka is another guy who's been, yes, awesome, one of

786
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: the lowest areas in baseball for the last three seasons,

787
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: which is kind of incomprehensible thinking. Ever since he came

788
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: to the Mets, he's been bit and this Royals team,

789
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: especially with Cole Reagan's out with a very vague shoulder strain,

790
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: which we don't want to hear about pitchers who have

791
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 2: two time at John stur just having vague Schulder strains,

792
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: like the things can get ugly there quickly, so there

793
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: could be a selloff. Now we're all getting to that

794
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: point in the season where we're starting to see more

795
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 2: likelihood of have more teams selling and just throw a

796
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: couple of cast relievers out there. Mentioned Halverson strengthy to Mangez,

797
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: doesn't know where the ball's going. I live, he's still

798
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: coming ninety eight miles now. The Oriels are going to

799
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: sell everything that's not bolted down to Marlins. Calvin Fouchet,

800
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: who he knows a favorite of mine, has been ugly

801
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: season this year, but most of the ugliness has come

802
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: against the Mets, specifically against pe Alonso. If he even

803
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: faced pe Alonzo, is he about run and a half lower?

804
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: So I think he's interesting. Strange East West profile from reliever.

805
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: And have you seen their new closer who's becoming a

806
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 2: bit of a demon. What's his name, Ronnie Henriquez. Okay,

807
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: so I didn't know he was their new closer. I've

808
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: seen him pitch this year. He's got some stuff, but

809
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: he also just yelled, so I don't know what's going

810
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: on there. And he also like just came up. He

811
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: has six years of control, but I also believe no

812
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: options left.

813
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: And I think he's also thirty. He's like he's only

814
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: twenty five. Oh he's a young one. Okay, then I'm

815
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: mixing up with somebody else.

816
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: But he's young, been no options, kind of the anti

817
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: Wascar Braza bomb. But he has a fastball that gets

818
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: up to ninety six ninety seven, a real change up,

819
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: a real slider, a real sweeper, like there's there's all

820
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: the pieces here for somebody. He's also a tiny guy.

821
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: He's like five eleves seventy as he's listed at one

822
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: to fifty five, which is basically my weight in Baseball

823
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: Baseball Reference, which is extra funny. And last one, another

824
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: weird one favorite of yours, Nick Mears and the Brewers. Yeah,

825
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: the Brewers are always selling a buying at the same time.

826
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: They have a weird team and a weird roster in

827
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: a weird season right now, as they always seem to do.

828
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: I know they'll be there until the end, as they

829
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: always are. But Mears is about to get his arbitration,

830
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: big Rays. He's about to go off, go off the

831
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: minimum to arbitration, and he's no minor the options left.

832
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: That's the exact type of player an organization like the

833
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: Brewers loves to trade.

834
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nick Mears coming over from the Rockies to the

835
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: Brewers last year. The numbers were not great, but the

836
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: stuff looked fantastic.

837
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: Another Rocky. He's got to keep an eye for Jake Bird.

838
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: He's been a favorite of everybody's.

839
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: I think he's going to actually be an expensive buy

840
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: because he's got a LOWI RA. He might be their

841
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: lone All Star representative this year. There's gonna be some

842
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: hype around him. Also threw out a couple of different

843
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: names here, Dennis Santana, what.

844
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 2: Without boy, Victor Vadnik on the Rockies too.

845
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think all around the age they

846
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: should be looking to trade any picture at any time

847
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: they ever had an offer, because who the fucking pitch?

848
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: Well there, Dennis Santana, another former Met, has been absolute

849
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: nails for the Pirates.

850
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: He was also good with the Mets.

851
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: But I think he's another guy who has zero options,

852
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: so he's a tough one to roster because if it

853
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: does go south, you just can't hold on to him.

854
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: And then I also threw in Shelby Miller, who's looked

855
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: decent at times at the Diamondbacks, and then a random

856
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: one to keep an eye out for, Cam Boozer of

857
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: the Chicago White Sox. Oh yeah, ton of control pitch, Yeah,

858
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: he can pitch. And similarly the White Sox cannot hold

859
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: onto a left handed relief arm if they're serious of

860
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: actually like rebuilding like he's I think like thirty one

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Speaker 1: or thirty two. If you give him an offer, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure Cam Boozer could be a met and a heartbeat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Boozer probably is the best reliever in that ballpon too.

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Speaker 2: They also have Brandon Eiser, who also has stuff as

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Speaker 2: kind of working as there's somewhat de facto closer. Oddly,

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Speaker 2: the White Socks have some interesting guys in that ball,

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Speaker 2: but Steven Wilson also kind of throws gas Jordan Leisure

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Speaker 2: through a super gasp. He's so young. I don't think

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Speaker 2: they'll do it. There's we know, especially after the first

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Speaker 2: trade deadline with David Starts last season, that we're going

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Speaker 2: to get creative. Yes, I'm excited to see what they

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Speaker 2: happen Storks. There's gonna be a lot of options out there,

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Speaker 2: probably some many that we're not even paying attention right now.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna a lot of a lot of things happen

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Speaker 2: for this Mets team as they desperately look for pitching

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Speaker 2: over the next few weeks.

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Speaker 1: You guys can let us know down the common section below,

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Speaker 1: Who's drafted like better, Who the Mets should be looking at?

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Speaker 1: Somebody that we didn't even consider to talk about. Would

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Speaker 1: I'm drapt Neckmark with a CEE. Thank you guys for

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Speaker 1: listening and watching. We'll catch you all after another episode.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know when this was coming

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Speaker 2: out after the Brave series peace Out ou Mets