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Speaker 3: I would just say that I feel like I'm staring

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Speaker 3: at the same pig that is wearing nicer clothes.

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Speaker 1: And last year they were actually scoring outside the red zone.

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Speaker 1: I mean Bill even said it, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, scoring from anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: You know, They've got some work to do on offense

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Speaker 1: for sure, But I will say that point.

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Speaker 4: I'd love to.

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Speaker 5: See him play more. I mean, I think that's that's him.

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Speaker 5: Just get him on the field more, get him more experience.

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Speaker 1: We'll get more experienced.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're trying to bring it back positive.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they'll get more. Zekiel Elliott coming out

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Speaker 1: I know it's not church because he messed it up.

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Speaker 4: I just like Now, if Matthew Slater said that and

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Speaker 4: you wouldn't say in church, Sure, no, I would say

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Speaker 4: the same thing. But it doesn't make sense. Matthew doesn't

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Speaker 4: make sense.

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Speaker 1: Members of the show spend the majority of last week

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Speaker 1: being defensive of their takes on the Patriots rather than

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Speaker 1: talking about the Dolphins. Let's complaining about people calling you

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Speaker 3: Oh so, now we care about what other people saying.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here

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Speaker 1: at Jillette Stadium, turn the page game, getting ready for

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Speaker 1: the new Jersey Jets and their formidable defense. I think

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Speaker 1: it's the real thing. Yea, it's it's Mac Jones says,

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Speaker 1: it's uh, what the best he's seen on film?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's seen two other defenses.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean over.

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Speaker 3: Wow, maybe maybe maybe maybe some maybe some crossover film.

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Speaker 3: I'll give him, I'll give him benefit of the data

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Speaker 3: on that. So maybe he's seen like six defense.

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Speaker 5: Yes, he likes film and stuff, and.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they didn't watch the Dallas Maybe.

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Speaker 1: He's talking about also is all three years?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously we're having some fun.

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Speaker 7: The Jets have a Sorry everybody, we're too negative there

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Speaker 7: for a second, I feel like they're.

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Speaker 4: Too negative on the Jets defense.

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Speaker 1: But so what do we think? How are we feeling?

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Speaker 1: It's the page day, you know, what's the current line?

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Speaker 4: I think Patriots by two and a half.

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Speaker 7: Patriots by two and a Hay, I still stick to

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Speaker 7: the line I started off when we did and filtered

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Speaker 7: on TV Monday morning. Save our season, Zach Wilson, please

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Speaker 7: give us, give us some interceptions.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think it's uh. I think it's gonna

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Speaker 7: I think, you know, I watched a little watching a

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Speaker 5: We're gonna manage the game, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, try to force the Patriots if if they if

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Speaker 7: they are able to put some points up, great for them.

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Speaker 5: But let's just grind this one out.

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Speaker 7: And try to take all the pressure off of Zach Wilson,

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Speaker 7: Can they afford to sit around and wait for mistakes

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Speaker 1: Know, this is a game where you probably can put

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Speaker 7: I guess, but I mean you just have Christian consalies.

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Speaker 1: So you have to account for Garrett. I mean, you

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Speaker 4: Miles. Yeah what what.

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Speaker 1: Wiz Wilson, Yeah, have to account for him on every play.

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Speaker 1: But but if you're if you're getting pressure on him,

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Speaker 7: and you know, it's just it's not as much of

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Speaker 1: Head Andy Hart was here, would he be guaranteeing a

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Speaker 4: Was he big on that he would he would guarantee

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Speaker 4: I can't see it. I can't see a guarantee I

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Speaker 1: No, what about the spot. It's not a great one

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Speaker 4: A lot of desperation on both sides.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, but there's desperation on both sides and the

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Speaker 1: other teams at home. But the Patriots can do something

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Speaker 1: about because they still have a quarterback.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Okay, well you don't.

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Speaker 1: You don't think Mac's better than I.

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Speaker 4: That's not Those two things aren't the same. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: You think the Patriots offense is better than the Jets

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Speaker 4: Point, not that I've seen. Oh wow, that's not that

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Speaker 3: The Jets definitely have better skilled players than the Patriots,

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Speaker 4: Their offensive line statistically by those metrics, is has been

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Speaker 4: Make it. Yeah, change, you know with with the Jets,

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Speaker 3: He had over three hundred yards passing in that game,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he just threw. It was the interceptions that killed you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, just one of the hard things I thought watching

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Speaker 7: Dallas was just how dominant Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 7: Like, I don't know, but they Dallas as an awesome

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Speaker 7: think you know, the point stands, you got to attack

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Zack Wilson over the last two years has been

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Speaker 3: the worst rated passer under pressure by a country mile.

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Speaker 3: He has an eighteen passer rating with pressure you get

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Speaker 3: thirty nine point six just by spiking the ball into

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Speaker 3: he's worse than just throwing the ball away on every week.

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Speaker 3: In the past, the Patriots I've used the spy on

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Speaker 7: That's when you know you see him like going to

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Speaker 3: The third one in the game. This first game last

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Speaker 1: It was like, what's he doing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the second game, he threw so many picks in

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Speaker 4: So you can look at it two ways. For the Jets.

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Speaker 7: Would just be looking for ways to get the ball,

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Speaker 7: Evan said, maybe move the pocket. Just get him on

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Speaker 7: Try to try to just limit how.

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Speaker 4: Easy throws to like Ty Conklin for them too, you know,

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Speaker 5: If it's not there, eat it.

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Speaker 3: That's what I would do. I'd bootleg. I'd send the

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Speaker 1: I was hauling the passing game.

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Speaker 3: Not really like a route runner, but obviously an explosive

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Speaker 4: Carter. Carter is one of the third down back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, It's so interesting how when you look at the

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Speaker 7: I mean just even you know, going back to like

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Speaker 5: I mean they it's divisional football.

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Speaker 7: I think that's I think that's what I don't want

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Speaker 1: The Rogers out. I think now they're more closely matched.

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Speaker 7: You know, And I just wonder what the Jets, you know,

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Speaker 4: Get to Evan later, what's the mind the moon, the mood.

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Speaker 5: It's a good point because are they ready to go?

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Speaker 5: Are they ready to fight? The Patriots and break this,

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Speaker 5: you know, like, is it is? Are they that or

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Speaker 3: Well, no, so they He hit Garrett Wilson on a

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Speaker 3: And at that point, I think it was like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: They changed the game.

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Speaker 3: They were in it. And I'm you know, watching this

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Speaker 1: I hear a lot you said it too. I hear

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Speaker 4: I don't think I do. The Cowboys went right down

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Speaker 4: that's that was the surprising part. And I was joking

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Speaker 4: you invested and all that, But now that he has

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Speaker 4: and they just kind of like went out late an

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Speaker 4: it's probably better that they lost the way they lost

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Speaker 1: Can't that's partmplifying the fact that we can't.

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Speaker 4: Because we can't score, and because they didn't lose cause

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Speaker 4: Fred I gave the nod yeah, because it was so

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Speaker 4: striking to see the Jets defense give up a first,

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Speaker 4: you know, first possession touchdown like that. The game was

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Speaker 7: It's why I think a fast start is I mean,

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Speaker 7: you can break their will. You know, like, if things

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Speaker 7: how much can you expect them to really stick around

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Speaker 4: Either directly, they get the start that they got last

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Speaker 4: it's they're going to be in good shape the Jets. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's why I don't know how you can guarantee you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, well, you know, we've got Trent Brown back, hopefully.

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Speaker 7: I don't know he's I mean not custing off to

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Speaker 3: I guess I'll let you know in an hour. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if he's If he's.

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Speaker 1: Back, i'll bet you hopefully him hopefully.

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Speaker 4: I bet he is too. I bet Jonathan Jones is back.

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Speaker 4: Probably someone tell me that Jonathan Jones was pretty close

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Speaker 5: So that's good, that's good news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's it's again another intriguing battle because we're

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Speaker 1: you name the scenario it could happen. Other than I

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Speaker 1: thirty six.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe it's that high.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I don't.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a betting man, but if I was, i'd be.

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Speaker 1: Well, defensive scores that factor into that.

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Speaker 3: I this game, if it goes over thirty six, I'd

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Speaker 1: How many shocked? How many points both teams total will

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Speaker 1: be scored via defense or special team, not offensive points,

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Speaker 4: I don't maybe directly I'll say zero. But if you're saying,

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Speaker 4: a pick three, no, I'll count those. Okay, count those,

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Speaker 4: So I'll say I'll say six three each side.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say twelve.

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Speaker 3: Wow. The Jets do play a lot of zone and

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Speaker 4: They don't really create a lot of turnovers and points,

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Speaker 4: you know, the opener, notwithstanding when Josh Allen just kept

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Speaker 4: throwing it to a white Head.

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Speaker 5: He's not on your team.

441
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Speaker 4: Well, that's what he is, you know, That's what he is.

442
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Speaker 4: That's what he is.

443
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Speaker 3: This is a last week, he showed you what he had,

444
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Speaker 3: tough defense to go up against. For an offense that's

445
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Speaker 3: that's searching for, like consistency and explosive plays and like

446
00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,200
Speaker 3: all the things that the Patriots are struggling with offensively

447
00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,760
Speaker 3: right now. This is this is not like the get right.

448
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Speaker 4: And I think to some of those games last year

449
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Speaker 4: where it started with that one and then it was

450
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Speaker 4: shortly thereafter the Colts game, and it was the same

451
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Speaker 4: kind of like physical, tough defensive tackles. Yeah, you know

452
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Speaker 4: DeForest Buckner, Quinn Williams, those kinds, and they really like

453
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Speaker 4: they just controlled we get we got some breaking now. No,

454
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Speaker 4: I was just.

455
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Speaker 5: Gonna I mean, I don't want to interrupt your train

456
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Speaker 5: of thought.

457
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Speaker 4: I just I think we I generally don't have one.

458
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Speaker 5: I think we might have referenced this yesterday.

459
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Speaker 7: But I just thought this kind of in the Billy

460
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Speaker 7: O quote from it today about the running game, which

461
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Speaker 7: I just I thought this was interesting. We have to

462
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Speaker 7: improve the running game, there's no doubt about that. I

463
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Speaker 7: think that starts with us as a coaching staff. We

464
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Speaker 7: have to do a better job what we believe we're

465
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Speaker 7: going to see and then what we actually see on

466
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Speaker 7: game day.

467
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Speaker 4: That's because they'd heard Evan yesterday during the show.

468
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Speaker 5: I thought that was really interesting.

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Speaker 3: So I thought Fangio's system, like I don't want to

470
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Speaker 3: get too much into the minutia, but like Fangio's system

471
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Speaker 3: usually plays gap in a half technique, which means that

472
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Speaker 3: you're gonna control your gap, but then when the running

473
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Speaker 3: back commits to the whichever gap that he's gonna run into,

474
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Speaker 3: everybody then flows back into the ball, right, And that's

475
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Speaker 3: like THEIRS usual strategy. In this game against the Patriots,

476
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Speaker 3: they did a lot of slanting up front, and they

477
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Speaker 3: were just kind of knifing into gaps and getting up

478
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Speaker 3: the field and more one gaping than they usually do,

479
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Speaker 3: I would say, and I do think that that took

480
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Speaker 3: the Patriots by surprise, but they did a decent job.

481
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Speaker 3: I thought in the second half they started, they came out,

482
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Speaker 3: they ran a couple tosses. You know, if you're gonna

483
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Speaker 3: slant inside, then we're just gonna run it outside, right

484
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Speaker 3: like that goes without saying. So I did think that

485
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Speaker 3: that took the Patriots a little bit by surprise, because

486
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Speaker 3: that's not Fangio's typical front mechanics to be aggressive like

487
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Speaker 3: that and slanted.

488
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Speaker 7: Why would you why do you think the shift why

489
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Speaker 7: would they shift to more slanting like that?

490
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Speaker 3: My guess is they are anticipating a lot of duo

491
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Speaker 3: and inside zone from the Patriots, and they knew they

492
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Speaker 3: were going to try to run it between the guards.

493
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Speaker 1: That said, when they did go wide early, I think

494
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Speaker 1: the Patriots did a pretty good job stretching that out.

495
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Speaker 4: Oh no, he's talking about the Patriots running Oh yeah, okay, sorry,

496
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Speaker 4: because I would agree with you. I think the Patriots

497
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Speaker 4: defense early in the game did a good job stretching wide,

498
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Speaker 4: running plays out.

499
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. Yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah.

500
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Speaker 4: But I think to Evan's point, you know, and like

501
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Speaker 4: I don't. You said I don't want to get in

502
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Speaker 4: the weeds too much, and certainly I don't, but I

503
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Speaker 4: would say just anecdotally. You watch the start of these

504
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Speaker 4: two games, and the other team seemed to have a

505
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Speaker 4: better idea of what the other was going to do

506
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Speaker 4: than you did. And that's like to me that that

507
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Speaker 4: throws me off. I always expect even when the Patriots

508
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Speaker 4: don't have the better team, and I'm not saying I

509
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Speaker 4: expect a great start, but I expect to see some

510
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Speaker 4: some things.

511
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Speaker 1: It's not because we're being out coached.

512
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Speaker 4: Right, I expect to see something some things defensively, like

513
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Speaker 4: I'll twist this, this was meant to that or the

514
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Speaker 4: other way around, you know. And I do think that

515
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Speaker 4: there have been some elements offensively in those first drives

516
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Speaker 4: of both games. Well, it was like the second drive

517
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Speaker 4: of the Miami game, I thought was the one that

518
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Speaker 4: was the one that ended the to Mario Douglas fumble,

519
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Speaker 4: right second drive. I mean, I thought there was some

520
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Speaker 4: good mixing and matching in that drive. Same thing with

521
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Speaker 4: the first one against Philadelphia. But I think for the

522
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Speaker 4: most part, the other team seemed to have an understanding

523
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Speaker 4: of what to expect. And I thought McDaniel's quote about

524
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Speaker 4: that with the running game, you know, we saw how

525
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Speaker 4: they were playing us. That was a little bit different

526
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Speaker 4: than most teams do. And we sort of said, you know,

527
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Speaker 4: we have to handle that. I mean, we can't let

528
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Speaker 4: you can't let them get away with playing up front

529
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Speaker 4: like that. I think was the way he put it

530
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Speaker 4: to his team. And they didn't.

531
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Speaker 7: Yeah, no, they adjusted, and you know, the Patriots didn't

532
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Speaker 7: really adjust with their running game.

533
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Speaker 5: They're running game never really got going.

534
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Speaker 3: You know, I thought that the Dolphins really just took

535
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Speaker 3: it to the Patriots game plan, like on both sides

536
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Speaker 3: of the football, And I thought that was sort of

537
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Speaker 3: an unsung, untold story of that game because of you know,

538
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 3: we talk so much about the personnel and the players

539
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: and you know where the shortcomings are there. But defensively,

540
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 3: the Patriots came out in that three day safety look

541
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Speaker 3: basically to play like prevent against Tyreek Kill and Jaylen

542
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Speaker 3: Waddle and McDaniel just said, fine, like we'll just check

543
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 3: the ball down underneath, we'll run the ball to the edges.

544
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Speaker 3: You guys don't have numbers out there, and we're gonna

545
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Speaker 3: just go right down the field on the opening drive

546
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Speaker 3: and the Patriots had to pivot. And then offensively, I

547
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Speaker 3: mean O'Brien came out and said it that quote that

548
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Speaker 3: Mike just read and said they did stuff defensively that

549
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Speaker 3: we weren't expecting and we were kind of caught off

550
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Speaker 3: guard by it. And I really thought that the opening

551
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Speaker 3: drive against Miami, they come out in that thirteen personnel,

552
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Speaker 3: three tight ends, yea, and then they run and they

553
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Speaker 3: run empty out of it. And like in theory, I

554
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Speaker 3: guess you're trying to get run personnel on the field

555
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Speaker 3: for the Dolphins and then spread them out and throw it.

556
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Speaker 3: So I understand the theory. But when your one receiver

557
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: is Devonte Parker and then you have Henry Kasiki and

558
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Speaker 3: Pharaoh Brown, like, that's not winning too many relay races, right,

559
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Speaker 3: Like that's not a very like dynamic or fast group.

560
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Speaker 3: So I as much as I get sort of the

561
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Speaker 3: chest match of what they were going for, I just

562
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Speaker 3: it's not a very dynamic personnel group.

563
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Speaker 5: And at all I think I said it during the game.

564
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Speaker 7: I'm like, I think they played six or seven snaps

565
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Speaker 7: in that, and I'm just saying, what's the point, Like,

566
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Speaker 7: what's the point of coming out in three tight ends

567
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Speaker 7: and spreading it out and then you kind of are

568
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Speaker 7: done with that? Like I just don't get why not

569
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Speaker 7: just go into what you're good at and do what

570
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Speaker 7: you're good at instead of being like, all right, we're

571
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Speaker 7: gonna run five snaps in thirteen personnel for whatever.

572
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Speaker 4: It's one thing if you feel like you have match

573
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Speaker 4: something setting it up, like the way you guys just

574
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Speaker 4: put it. I agree. It's one thing if you have

575
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Speaker 4: Gronk and Hernandez and you and you, you know, put

576
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Speaker 4: a third tight out. You know what they missing with

577
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Speaker 4: Scott Chandler. You know, if you could just put like,

578
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Speaker 4: oh mano nui, you know, matchup winners, Like right, I'm

579
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Speaker 4: gonna do this because the other team can't match up

580
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Speaker 4: with me. And like even if that caught someone, you know,

581
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Speaker 4: by surprise to what end an eight yard completion.

582
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Speaker 5: Right, you're not gonna it's not like no, no, they

583
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Speaker 5: used to do it. They're gonna gash us with Pharaoh Brown.

584
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Speaker 3: They used to do twenty two personnel. So they put

585
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Speaker 3: the full back James Devlin out there with the two

586
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Speaker 3: tight ends and a running back, and every team would

587
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Speaker 3: match them in base and then they would spread them

588
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Speaker 3: out and all of a sudden you'd have Gronk on

589
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Speaker 3: a linebacker up the seam. And that's just a huge mismatch,

590
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 3: but unfortunately, like the mismatches don't exist on that level anymore.

591
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Speaker 3: And so like you put you know, Henry up the

592
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: scene against Jerome Baker, that's a little bit more equal

593
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Speaker 3: as it was with Gronk, and so those types of

594
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Speaker 3: little things that they used to do like that there

595
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: they put Devlin out wide and they'd get the coverage

596
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Speaker 3: indicator of are are they in man? Are they in zone?

597
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: And then they would put the good receivers in the

598
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Speaker 3: inside part of the formation, and then they'd get those

599
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: guys on linebackers in safeties like that was that used

600
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Speaker 3: to be how they would would run those matchups and

601
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Speaker 3: exploit those matchups. But I don't know if they have

602
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Speaker 3: the personnel to do that anymore. And that's sort of

603
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Speaker 3: my whole thing with my game plan I'm running, you know,

604
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Speaker 3: for the game preview is just like Mike said, you

605
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Speaker 3: got to get back to like what's our identity, like

606
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Speaker 3: what are good at offensively and not get so caught

607
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 3: up in like trying to pull a fast one on

608
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Speaker 3: Vic Fangio, Like I just didn't.

609
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Speaker 5: Like surprise Pharaoh Brown.

610
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Speaker 4: And I know and I know how game take it

611
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Speaker 4: that far. I know how game plan oriented. They they've

612
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Speaker 4: been you know, throw aut Belichick and I one thousand

613
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Speaker 4: percent I'm on board with that. I think the teams

614
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 4: that quote unquote do what they do, you need to

615
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 4: be exceptionally good at that to be able to do

616
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Speaker 4: that against everybody. So I like the fact that they're

617
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Speaker 4: game plan oriented. But I do think that's another element

618
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Speaker 4: here of maybe him Bill still sort of thinking he

619
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Speaker 4: has a different set of personnel. It's one thing to

620
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Speaker 4: say we're going to do things differently all the time,

621
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Speaker 4: but then you have to recognize, Okay, this might work.

622
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Speaker 4: Let's use this this personnel group that you're talking about

623
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Speaker 4: with the three tight ends. This might be a thing

624
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 4: that really would work against what we're going to see

625
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 4: from Vic Fangio. But at the same time, you have

626
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Speaker 4: to recognize, I don't have the horses to really make

627
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 4: it hurt them, So to what are you doing it?

628
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: Like if you're not going to get off you know,

629
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 4: you know a chunk player or two that's going to

630
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 4: catch everybody by surprise, right, and why bought?

631
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Speaker 5: And if you really believe it, are you only gonna

632
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 5: run it for seven plays? Or did they?

633
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 4: Did they just so quickly to it.

634
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 3: They got out of it because they were nothing was

635
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: happy right like they like to Paul's point there.

636
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 4: They got to run, yea, they gotta run stuff in

637
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 4: a sack or something like that.

638
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 3: So the very first play of the game was like

639
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 3: a four yard completion to Mikey Sicky on a little

640
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: you know, sit route over the middle. And it's like, okay,

641
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 3: like cool, like you know, like if you're Vic Fangio

642
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: or you're just like do you want to do that

643
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: all game? Then then be my guest. You know, I

644
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: just look at like what are what are they good at?

645
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 3: What is their personnel made for? And I think I

646
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 3: mentioned this yesterday, but like under center, I just feel

647
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 3: like this team is starving to get the quarterback under center,

648
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 3: Like get the quarterback under center, get Remandre ahead of

649
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: steam when he comes up to the line of scrimmage,

650
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: and then incorporate the play action stuff off of that

651
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 3: from under center. Like that used to just be what

652
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 3: they could hang their hat on in twenty one with McDaniels,

653
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 3: Like when all else fail and they couldn't get the

654
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 3: passing game going, they couldn't get anything going, they would

655
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Speaker 3: just put Mac back under center with the full back

656
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Speaker 3: and Remondree behind them, where Damien harr is behind them,

657
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Speaker 3: and they would just run the ball down your throat,

658
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Speaker 3: and they just they don't want to do that for

659
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Speaker 3: some reason.

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Speaker 1: Well, you said the team's starving, Evan Lazar is starving

661
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Speaker 1: for them to get under center.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that the team, well, but that's what

663
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Speaker 3: they used to do in twenty one, and that's what

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Speaker 3: they used to do for twenty years, like and then

665
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Speaker 3: they've just you know, I love all of the spread

666
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Speaker 3: elements that Billy Oh brings to the table. I think

667
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Speaker 3: they're all sound and like good scheme, but in general,

668
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Speaker 3: it's it's not working. You know, it's not consistently working.

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Speaker 1: I should say, yeah, it's just again I hate to

670
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Speaker 1: beat a dead horse, but it's the line. Nothing's gonna

671
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Speaker 1: work if the line stinks.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, in the personnel too. I mean, I

673
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Speaker 7: just think overall, it's uh, you know, I think the

674
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Speaker 7: question that we were all kind of lurking around was

675
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Speaker 7: how much difference can an offensive coordinator change make? And

676
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Speaker 7: certainly going from somebody who'd never done it before to

677
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Speaker 7: a seasoned guy who's been in college and you know,

678
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Speaker 7: is installing all kinds of RPOs and modern offensive features,

679
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Speaker 7: but ultimately the end of the day, through two games,

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Speaker 7: it hasn't really made that much of a difference because

681
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Speaker 7: the players I'm holding out hope for that, I am no,

682
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Speaker 7: and I think a lot of it's to the line.

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Speaker 7: That's where you gotta start. Let's get Trent Brack and

684
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Speaker 7: start there. You know, like you just can't say what

685
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Speaker 7: we suck it's over.

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Speaker 3: But it's like, you know, the personnel is the personnel,

687
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Speaker 3: right like you know, and I get they're going to

688
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Speaker 3: get some pieces back in. The line is going to

689
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Speaker 3: get more continuity and all that kind of stuff. But

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Speaker 3: you know, we can all sit here and be, you know,

691
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Speaker 3: scream and yell about how they didn't do enough in

692
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Speaker 3: the off season to make the offense better, but it's

693
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Speaker 3: not fixing it. That's not changing. Like this is who

694
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Speaker 3: they got. So now you got to find out what

695
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Speaker 3: you're good at and just spam that as much as

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Speaker 3: you can.

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Speaker 1: When when there is no thread of the run, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that alone puts you on your heels as an offense.

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Speaker 1: And then you combine that with the line not being

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Speaker 1: settled right now, it's a it's a bad combination for

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Speaker 1: offensive production. Yeah, you know, it really is.

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Speaker 3: It's not a stable way to live to have Mac

703
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Speaker 3: Jones lead the league in pass attempts, right, that's you

704
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Speaker 3: know last year we talked about he led the league

705
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Speaker 3: in the first month of the season in deep pass attempts,

706
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Speaker 3: and we were all like, that's not really his game. Like,

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Speaker 3: I don't want Mac chucking the ball forty yards down

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Speaker 3: the field ten times a week this week the year

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Speaker 3: he leads the league in pass attempts ninety six of

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Speaker 3: them through through two weeks. That's not how this team

711
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Speaker 3: is going to win football games, is with Mac Jones

712
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Speaker 3: dropping back fifty times a game?

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Speaker 1: Right? All right? Eight five to five Pass five hundred

714
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Speaker 1: is the ACE ticket hout line web radio at Patriots

715
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Speaker 1: dot com is the email address we mentioned Troy uh

716
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Speaker 1: Trent Brown getting a two million dollar bonus incentive base bonus.

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Speaker 5: It might possibly achieve it.

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen the incentives. Have you guys seen those? No?

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Speaker 4: My guess is they're going to be tied to playing time.

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Speaker 1: And then Matt Corral.

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Speaker 3: What's his back on the practice He's not back.

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Speaker 4: He's not back on the practice squad, right, No, No,

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Speaker 4: he's he's out.

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Speaker 5: I thought they just he signed him to the practice squader.

725
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Speaker 4: Before the show. What do you think is going on?

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Speaker 1: Everybody?

727
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Speaker 10: Just matter?

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Speaker 5: We reported that last night.

729
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Speaker 4: I saw that I already that he was he had

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Speaker 4: agreed to return to the practice squad. This morning they

731
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Speaker 4: all said he's not coming back to the press. Oh okay,

732
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I don't know why. I don't know what happens when

734
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Speaker 7: you don't look at Twitter for a couple hours. I

735
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Speaker 7: guess I don't have I don't have the deats.

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Speaker 3: I just I hope that his mental health is is okay.

737
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Speaker 3: I know he's he's struggled with some of that stuff.

738
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, it sounds like they still wanted to bring

739
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Speaker 7: him back, right, So I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I guess that's maybe in his court.

741
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the phones, shall we? On

742
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Speaker 1: this Wednesday? Matthew is in New Mexico. What's up, Matthew?

743
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Speaker 9: The other guys they Fred, Mike, and Paul. So I

744
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Speaker 9: love the point you guys made yesterday yesterday about Ernie

745
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Speaker 9: and I've been feeling this about a while, and like

746
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Speaker 9: we've seen like the challenges, like there's a meme of

747
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 9: Belichick throwing the phone, and my question for you guys

748
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Speaker 9: is about like month or like two months ago, nott

749
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Speaker 9: Light was on all Tom Currn's show, and.

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Speaker 11: He was pretty much saying, not in these words, but

751
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Speaker 11: like not being able to process as much, and like

752
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 11: the new nfl PA roles is like kind of put

753
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Speaker 11: us as at a didn't put us at a disadvantage.

754
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Speaker 11: And I just wanted to see what you guys point

755
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Speaker 11: on that is because we would always see like we

756
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Speaker 11: would see those videos of the hills, you know, it's

757
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Speaker 11: Bill and then and we and now we're seeing like

758
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Speaker 11: all these boneheaded and mistakes and just like that. And

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Speaker 11: another point that Evan made too was that we're still

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Speaker 11: playing like or we're still adding players like uh, like

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Speaker 11: we still have Tom, and it seems like even though

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Speaker 11: we can't tactice as much and we can't get like

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Speaker 11: the camp community like we have, Bill still hasn't turned

764
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Speaker 11: like the added explosive players they have like more talent,

765
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Speaker 11: if that makes sense. So I just want to get

766
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Speaker 11: your guy who's point on that. And I appreciate you

767
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Speaker 11: listening to you guys.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thanks Matthew.

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Speaker 3: I mean everybody practices the same amount. Yeah, so like

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Speaker 3: you can't to me, you can't sit there and say like, oh,

771
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Speaker 3: they're making all these mistakes that they were making before

772
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Speaker 3: because they're practicing less when other teams don't make those

773
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Speaker 3: mistakes and they practice the same amount.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Paul's guy made it, had a rant

775
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Speaker 1: yesterday falk about how they don't do anything. I don't

776
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Speaker 1: do anything in the summer.

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Speaker 4: They don't.

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Speaker 1: They do the same thing as every team. That's the way.

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Speaker 4: But his, yeah, his point on that, and I don't

780
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Speaker 4: necessarily agree with him. I'm more with you guys on

781
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Speaker 4: this because I just think it's the new it's the

782
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Speaker 4: new way in the league. But I think that they

783
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Speaker 4: don't do as much hitting as they once did when

784
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Speaker 4: they're allowed to hit. Like, I'm not talking about the

785
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Speaker 4: fewer practices or the less time on the field and

786
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Speaker 4: OTAs and all that. I'm talking about. I don't see

787
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Speaker 4: as many one on ones as we once did in

788
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Speaker 4: PC this now. I don't have the numbers. I'm not

789
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Speaker 4: a practice stats guy, so I don't have the numbers

790
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Speaker 4: in front of me, But anecdotally, I can tell you

791
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Speaker 4: ten years ago they used to do more one on

792
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Speaker 4: one work corners against wide receivers, running backs, linebackers, against

793
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Speaker 4: you know, against one another in the passing game, obviously

794
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 4: offensive and defensive linemen in pass rush drills. They still

795
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Speaker 4: do them, but I don't see them as much as

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Speaker 4: I used to. And you that's got nothing to do

797
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Speaker 4: with rules. Now. Maybe some teams, some other teams don't

798
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Speaker 4: do that as much anymore either. Maybe it's a sports

799
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Speaker 4: science thing, a nutrition thing, all part of you know,

800
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Speaker 4: the new wave with all the analytics they have now

801
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Speaker 4: that it's more beneficial to avoid that. I don't know,

802
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 4: doesn't seem like injuries are on the on the decline.

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Speaker 1: When you say one on one, you don't mean like,

804
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Speaker 1: you know, pass receiver receiver going off, you know, one

805
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Speaker 1: on one against the corner back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do in shorts. No, No, I don't mean shorts.

807
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Speaker 4: I mean in past, yeah, because they do a lot

808
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 4: of that, yeah, but I mean in paths, I mean hitting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And yet you get like these little pockets of tackling,

811
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Speaker 7: like live tackling drills that you might not have seen.

812
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Speaker 3: I separate the title what what like whatever it's whatever

813
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Speaker 3: it's been.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it hasn't really been effective for a good

815
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Speaker 7: start the last three four years.

816
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Speaker 4: Well, and that's that's like to Fred's point my show

817
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 4: with Michael, Like that's his point is we're going like

818
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 4: two and four one in three, we're going two.

819
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 4: It's like this is not a new trend. This is

821
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Speaker 4: a bad start since every year since nineteen eight nineteen

822
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Speaker 4: and they haven't had a good start to the season since.

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Speaker 3: I just I think that that's more talent relate, right,

824
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: I do too, Like the bottom line is is that

825
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 3: the head coach has not done enough to make the

826
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Speaker 3: offense better, like I. And you can say however you

827
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Speaker 3: want to say it, like in terms of money or

828
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Speaker 3: in terms of draft capital, or missing on guys in

829
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Speaker 3: the draft in twenty two that are now coming up

830
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Speaker 3: to bite you, like Taekwon and you know Pierre Strong,

831
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Speaker 3: like your Mike was talking about the third down running back.

832
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Speaker 3: Guess that was supposed to be Pierre Strong. That was

833
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Speaker 3: the the message coming out after they drafted Pierre Strong

834
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Speaker 3: was that they're going to put this guy on the

835
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Speaker 3: James White developmental track and he's getting year two, he

836
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 3: will be the third down back for this team. And

837
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Speaker 3: it didn't manifest itself. And those are those are the

838
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 3: things that have really come back to bite them. And

839
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Speaker 3: unlike with other teams. Like other teams they miss on

840
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: a second round receiver like Taekwon Thornton, and they draft

841
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 3: another one the next year, Like they don't let that

842
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: just like prohibit them from from, you know, addressing the position.

843
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: Like the Eagles they drafted Jalen Rager and he was

844
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Speaker 3: a total bust. The next year they came back and

845
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Speaker 3: they traded for a J. Brown, Like they didn't just

846
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: say settle, Like they drafted DeVante Smith and they traded

847
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:41,959
Speaker 3: for they.

848
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Speaker 4: Also drafted another first time receiver. Okay, we didn't get

849
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 4: it right, we'll do it, do it again.

850
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Speaker 1: And so the pages used to do with the tight

851
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Speaker 1: end position.

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Speaker 7: Right, and now it's in the tackle position and the

853
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Speaker 7: third down. I mean, it's just it's been whack a

854
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 7: mole with problems.

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00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: Too.

856
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Speaker 4: And I know him probably being a little reactionary with Zeke.

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Speaker 4: I told you, I haven't really seen much and people

858
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 4: sort of anything, People sort of pushed back a little bit,

859
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 4: and I just don't see any explosiveness there. I even

860
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 4: saw a lapse in pass blocking, which is supposed to

861
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 4: be his forte. I didn't think he picked up the

862
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 4: blitz very well against Miami, like going out and investing

863
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 4: in that veteran back to me, like, I watched Cleveland

864
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 4: Monday Night and they're all everything. Back goes down and

865
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Speaker 4: something named Jerome Ford comes in and runs for one

866
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Speaker 4: hundred yards. He's like a fifth round draft pick. He's

867
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Speaker 4: Pierre Strong. He's a fifth round draft pick who hasn't

868
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Speaker 4: really played very much. And when they called on him,

869
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 4: it was fine. Why because they have a good offensive line.

870
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Speaker 4: They have arguably the best run coordinator in Bill Callahan,

871
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 4: who understands how to put a running game together, and

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Speaker 4: he was productive. They went out and they signed Kareem Hunt,

873
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 4: and by all accounts, it's going to be to support him,

874
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 4: not to replace him. New Orleans not a great offense.

875
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 4: They lose Jamal Williams Monday Night SAT the Monday Night doubleheader, which,

876
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 4: by the way, I like, I don't think we've touched

877
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 4: on that. You like that both early games like not

878
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 4: like a seven and ten, It was a seven and eight.

879
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 4: I liked to They were going back and forth. But

880
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 4: Jamal Williams goes down with a hamstring pull and they

881
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 4: put in a guy who the former Notre Dame kid.

882
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 4: I forget his name now, I forget his name I'm sorry,

883
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 4: like I, but he you know, he wasn't great. He

884
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 4: filled in a little bit, but showed some toughness on

885
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 4: the goal line a couple of touchdowns. It didn't fall

886
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 4: apart like I would rather have seen Bill say, I'm

887
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 4: going to keep Pierre Strong in, Kevin Harris or one

888
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 4: of at least one of them before I go out

889
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 4: and get Ezekiel Elliott. Now if you all of a

890
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 4: sudden get in the situation they're in right now, like

891
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 4: we can't run it anywhere. Hey, maybybe we need more

892
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 4: talent back there. Maybe it's the running backs, you know,

893
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: and we're going to support it. I just thought that was, like,

894
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 4: this is why I always push back on the cheap thing.

895
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 4: I don't think it's cheap. I think it's misuse. You know,

896
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 4: at times, would rather have paid, you know, three times

897
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 4: what they paid Ezekiel Elliott to get Hopkins or a

898
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 4: receiver you know of some sort to come in.

899
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: I just was, Zeke, I think that, you know, I'm

900
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: not going to sit here and say like that. I

901
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 3: because I agreed with the move at the time.

902
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 10: I was.

903
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 4: I didn't hate it. Yeah, fairness, I can't be a fraud.

904
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 4: I didn't hate the movie either.

905
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: I agree with the move at the time in a

906
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: vacuum to sign Zeke. The Pierre Strong trade still bugs

907
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: me because you knew that you were going to be

908
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 3: spread heavy, Like you knew that you were going to

909
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: spread the field Mac and the gun and run this

910
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien offense, and you traded your one fast running back.

911
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 3: And it's like, even if he doesn't know where he's

912
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 3: going on between the tackles carries, if you get him

913
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: out into some space with the ball in his hands

914
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: on a swing pass or a screen or an outside

915
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: toss or something like that, we've saw in a little

916
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 3: bit of that sample in his rookie season that he

917
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: can run with the football. And if you're going to

918
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 3: be this shotgun, spread formation offense, like what good is

919
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: it having a two hundred and twenty five pound running

920
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: back next to Mac Jones, Like it's just not a

921
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 3: fit for the two backs that they have. So I

922
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 3: thought that they were going to be an early down,

923
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 3: under centered team with Remandre and Zeke trading off, and

924
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 3: then when they went to the spread stuff, that they

925
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 3: would let Pierre Strong play and get him into some

926
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: space and get him You know, maybe have him create

927
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: an explosive play, which they can't do without any speed

928
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: on the field. And they traded him for a tackle

929
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: that they have all sorts of tackle issues and Tyrone

930
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 3: Wheatley can't even get on the field, So you know,

931
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: what was the point of that trade?

932
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 4: Like that one was odd to me, Like if they

933
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: traded Pierre Strong for the other kid, at least I

934
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 4: would say, well, at least he has somewhat of a track.

935
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 4: I mean, Wheatley is a total projection. Yeah, he's never

936
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 4: played yeah tight end, you know, so he's a total projection. Now,

937
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 4: maybe they have some maybe he'll be the next Steven Neil.

938
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I just didn't see like the

939
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 4: need to give some something up for that.

940
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: Tommy's in New Jersey. What's up, Tommy?

941
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 12: Hey, guys going today?

942
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: Okay?

943
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 9: Good?

944
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: Hey?

945
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 12: I got a couple points I want to make, So

946
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 12: cut me off if I get too long winded. Number One.

947
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 12: My biggest annoyance like watching the Patriots and Dolphins game

948
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 12: the other night, was seeing the roster disparity. And I

949
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 12: know this is something you'll always touch on. I'm watching

950
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 12: I'm watching Isaiah Win play left tackle for the Dolphins

951
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 12: looking like a damn all Pro and I'm watching Gesteki

952
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 12: and Parker play for the Patriots at important positions in

953
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 12: today's day and age, and I mean, they weren't even

954
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 12: good enough to be in Miami once they got Hill

955
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 12: and Waddle, Like, why isn't Bill understanding that elite weapons

956
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 12: are more important today than first round guards? And the

957
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 12: second I want to make is I don't love this

958
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 12: team's mentality. And what I mean by that is like

959
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 12: back in the day, when they would play the Steelers,

960
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 12: who were more physical, the Patriots were a more finesse team.

961
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 12: They were the faster team. Then when they played the Colts,

962
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 12: who were more finesse, they were the more physical teams.

963
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 12: I don't know what this team's m is, and it's

964
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 12: not versatility because they just kind of are what they are,

965
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 12: which is slow and unexplosive. And I just want to

966
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 12: know why that mentality has changed over the years and

967
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 12: what they can maybe do to change it and go

968
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 12: back to those old school philosophies they once held.

969
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Tommy, I think it's simple. It's better players.

970
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: I mean, they were able to be versatile because they

971
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: had versatile players who were good right, you know.

972
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 4: And just just for a quick correction, just so people

973
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 4: don't yell at us. You know, wins now playing guard,

974
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 4: and you know, I want to give the guy to

975
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 4: my left a little credit. All pro guard. Creed always said.

976
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 1: That was his that's his floor.

977
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 4: His floor was an All Pro guard. Now, I think

978
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: he's far from being an All Pro, but he played

979
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 4: earned it. He played guard. The other point I think

980
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 4: is valid, you guys, I think Parker and Kasiki were

981
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 4: guys that Miami deemed unnecessary.

982
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I I out of all the things that

983
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: I think people get on on Belichick for with you know,

984
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 3: a lot of people get on them for like the

985
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 3: in game decisions, like Pop Douglas right now is like

986
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 3: the number one thing to me in terms of like

987
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 3: if you're talking about his future here with the Patriots,

988
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: it's about the philosophy, Like it's about his offensive philosophy

989
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: and his philosophy for winning football games of you know,

990
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 3: like Paul always says we're gonna play good defense, special teams,

991
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: and we're gonna win the game that way. Like that,

992
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: I don't think.

993
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 4: That's that way. And I'm quoting, like Slater said, you know,

994
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 4: coach always says we want to be a physical team,

995
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 4: and in order to be a physical team, you have

996
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 4: to run the ball, stop the run, and play good

997
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 4: special teams. Yeah, and I just think that that is

998
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 4: not the way a vast majority of NFL games are

999
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 4: won anymore. The more talented offensive team generally wins.

1000
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: Now you have to stress the defense you have and

1001
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: you can't just do it running.

1002
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 3: You just you know, you look at the game against Miami,

1003
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 3: and that's a team that's on the cutting edge, like

1004
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 3: how they scheme it, how they approach the team building

1005
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: aspects of it. And I'm not saying that they're like

1006
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 3: this great, you know, super Bowl winning team like the

1007
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: Patriots have been in the past, but Derek Ship is

1008
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: going in the right direction in ours is not.

1009
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 4: And that's just the bottom line. I don't know what

1010
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 4: they're ultimately going to end up getting out of it.

1011
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 4: Maybe they will never quite be good enough, you know,

1012
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 4: to get over the hump. But two things on that.

1013
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 4: Number One, you know, defensively, if they could get Jalen

1014
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 4: Ramsey back playing at anywhere near the level that he

1015
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 4: has played the majority of his career, that could be

1016
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 4: a pretty good defense. If you take like sort of

1017
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 4: a journeyman like Eli Apple who struggled at times the

1018
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 4: other night, and make him your third or fourth corneries.

1019
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 4: Now you have some of that depth to rely on.

1020
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 4: And the other thing is, and I don't know about

1021
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 4: this from but I read something before the season. It

1022
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 4: was I forget I wanted to credit someone. But one

1023
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 4: of these statistical based websites ranked the rosters like just

1024
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 4: pure talent, and a lot of people think Miami has

1025
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 4: the second most talented roster top to bottom in the league,

1026
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 4: behind the Niners.

1027
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: That's like their top five.

1028
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 4: That's what people think of them outside of New England.

1029
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 4: They stink here, like but you know, Tua can't play.

1030
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 4: I get it, But that's how people outside of New

1031
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 4: England think about Miami.

1032
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: How would Mac be on Miami.

1033
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 4: I think he'd be fine. Yeah, they'd be good.

1034
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 7: I mean, I you know, I don't I don't want

1035
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 7: to bash Mac. I just I think is really good.

1036
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 7: I just think he needs to get You need to

1037
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 7: give that guy credit for how he manages the offense.

1038
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 7: And you know his his.

1039
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: Already being mentioned very early as m v P.

1040
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 3: It's like, I give him some credit Canada, And I'm

1041
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: not trying to come at it to a spot where

1042
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: I think, to his stinks. But McDaniel and those weapons

1043
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 3: are terrific. Like McDaniel, he does all of this.

1044
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: He's an odd guy, but he's smart and hit.

1045
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: I think what really put it over the edge for

1046
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: me because I love guy offensive coaches McDaniel, Shanahan, like

1047
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: I love those guys Piavey.

1048
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 4: That's why I'm not willing to say that was the

1049
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 4: coaching one.

1050
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what put me over at the top in

1051
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 3: this game with McDaniel is that the three safety look

1052
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 3: was different, Like that was something that was a little

1053
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: bit unique and a little bit different that they hadn't

1054
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: seen before. He didn't give a crap. Oh, he just

1055
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 3: like he adjusted instantly to it and they went right

1056
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: down the field with it. Didn't matter that the Belichick

1057
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: did this three safety thing now was you know, on

1058
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: innovative or whatever you want to call it. And McDaniel

1059
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: just had the script like he was just like whatever,

1060
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 3: like we're just gonna, you know, threaten the flats. We're

1061
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: gonna you know, conflict linebackers and attack their slower linebackers,

1062
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 3: and we're gonna move the ball down the field by

1063
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: not throwing it down the field, you know what they.

1064
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 5: Had trouble with too a couple of times.

1065
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's really a wheel route, but

1066
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 7: it's almost like a guy is kind of like in

1067
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 7: an h back position just offset and then he just

1068
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 7: kind of like basically a wheel route, but just right

1069
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 7: out into the flat. And I mean they probably hit

1070
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 7: that three four times for good gains, and it was

1071
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 7: just a to me. It was like, man, they are

1072
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 7: just schemed up right now. They know exactly what they're

1073
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 7: looking for and they know where to attack.

1074
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 4: You know what I was really impressed was the two

1075
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 4: minute drive at the end of the first half that

1076
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 4: he started with two of the simplest swing passes to

1077
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 4: Akmed and the only reason why they only got nine yards.

1078
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 4: They would have gotten more if it wasn't a two

1079
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 4: minute drill like Achmed was first and foremost concentrating on

1080
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 4: getting out of bounds, you know, you know, not trying

1081
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 4: to lower his shoulder and break a tackle or anything

1082
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 4: like that, but just easy drive starters, right. You know,

1083
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 4: how many times have you seen teams come into Foxborough

1084
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 4: and they play a decent first half and it gets

1085
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 4: to the end of the half and maybe they have

1086
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 4: the lead or maybe it's tied, and they just say,

1087
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 4: I just get to the locker room here. You know, well,

1088
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 4: we're in the game. We're all right. Miami says, screw that.

1089
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 4: I'm gonna call time out when the other team has

1090
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 4: the ball. So I'm gonna have more time left, and

1091
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna come out and I'm gonna throw because i

1092
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 4: don't care if it's incomplete, because I'm just gonna complete

1093
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 4: the next one and I'm gonna go down the field

1094
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 4: and score in that drive, swing pass, swing pass, slant

1095
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 4: to Craycraft, slant to Craycraft. Then we're gonna get burrios

1096
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 4: on the little flag row whatever you want to call it.

1097
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 4: Real I knew, I knew we would have the real

1098
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 4: name for it.

1099
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 5: Go back across, he went up and corner.

1100
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 3: It's a little fake for you.

1101
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 4: Wh and and uh. I just thought it was as

1102
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: effortless a drive as you'll see. And I think you

1103
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 4: could you could write a book on the on the

1104
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 4: touchdown play, just how like schemed schemed up it was.

1105
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 4: They put them in a bind that the Patriots had

1106
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 4: no no answer for.

1107
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 3: He out fox Belichick the whole the whole night like

1108
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: the whole night pretty much until the second half when

1109
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: they started making their own mistakes, honest.

1110
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Speaker 4: And I really do think that that's what it was. Yeah,

1111
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 4: is I know, I Fred gets mad at me a

1112
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 4: lot of times because he's like, oh, anything about Patriots

1113
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 4: dot com. But I don't say that about the Eagles.

1114
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 4: The Eagles made plenty of mistakes, but I think the

1115
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 4: Patriots forced a lot of them. I don't think the

1116
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 4: Patriots forced many of the mistakes that Miami made.

1117
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, Paul's going to force down a sub

1118
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Speaker 1: right now. His friends will be right much smaller than Paul's.

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Speaker 1: We'll be that that that that's true. We'll be right

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Speaker 1: back after this. Oh, show within a show today. What

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Speaker 1: are you doing? Okay, all right, We'll be right back

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Speaker 4: What's up, everybody?

1140
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 6: Check out this clip from Rodney how Everson on the

1141
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 6: latest episode of Pats from the Past.

1142
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 4: Yea, we were joking around just before we started. My

1143
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 4: guess is that Tony's memories aren't quite as warm a

1144
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 4: fuzzy as yours. You know, for a September, you know, Beauty,

1145
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 4: it couldn't be a more perfect night. He was probably

1146
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 4: wondering why it's not snowing as he was driving it.

1147
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,959
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you this man, just talking to Coach.

1148
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 14: He has a lot of respect for the Patriots organization,

1149
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 14: Coach Bill and everything that we've accomplished. And I mean

1150
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 14: those battles were epic. You know, you're talking about going

1151
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 14: against Dungee and how well prepared he had his team,

1152
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 14: Peyton Manning, all the great players that they had. I mean,

1153
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 14: I can't believe I'm fifty years old when I want here, brother,

1154
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 14: I was, you know, twenty nine years old, and now

1155
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 14: I'm fifty. And just like you talked about a different

1156
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 14: part with kids, I got a son that plays for

1157
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 14: the University of Tennessee who got their butts kicked yesterday.

1158
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 14: But it's just really nice to be back, and it's

1159
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 14: nice to see you guys still, you know, talking football.

1160
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: Appreciate that.

1161
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 4: Appreciate that.

1162
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 15: So I'm gonna put you on the spot a little

1163
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 15: bit here as you're waxing nostalgia and it's amazing what life.

1164
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing what life is.

1165
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 15: But who would have ever thought fifteen years ago that

1166
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 15: you and Tony Dungee would be together on a broadcast

1167
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 15: and doing that. That's a small world. But your lives

1168
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 15: interestect like that. Do you have a favorite memory here

1169
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 15: at this stadium? Obviously you want a super Bowl in Houston,

1170
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 15: you want a super Bowl in Jacksonville, and those are

1171
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 15: things that I got a believer at the pinnacle of

1172
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 15: your professional football career here at you let Rodney, is

1173
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 15: there something special that you remember that that takes a

1174
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 15: cake of the ultimate memory that you might have.

1175
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: I think I don't know.

1176
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 14: I don't remember the exact game, but just when Coach Belichick,

1177
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 14: I think it was when it was an AFC championship game,

1178
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 14: when he gave me a big hug and said, I'm

1179
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 14: glad we got you here. That was a very special

1180
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 14: moment because all I ever wanted to do was make

1181
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 14: him proud of me and let him know that the

1182
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 14: decision that he you know that he made bringing me here,

1183
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 14: that that wasn't a bad decision, and he gave me

1184
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 14: an opportunity when so many around the league kind of

1185
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 14: frowned upon Rodney Harrison.

1186
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: He believed in me.

1187
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 14: He gave me a bunch of freedom where I can

1188
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 14: go out there and just play and express myself. And

1189
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 14: I just couldn't love love a coach more than I

1190
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 14: got love for Coach Belichick.

1191
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 4: You talk about that freedom that he gave you, and

1192
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you about and was one of

1193
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 4: the two playoff games. I'm not sure if it was

1194
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 4: three or oh four, but when you and Ty sort

1195
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 4: of it must have been on three because I don't

1196
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 4: think he had three picks. Yeah, and you guys kind

1197
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 4: of swapped like you were kind of up in like

1198
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 4: the corner spot, like popping guys, and allowed Tie to

1199
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 4: you know, just that kind of freedom. Was that something

1200
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 4: that you guys had spoken about before that?

1201
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 2: And he never really questioned.

1202
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 14: He said, Hey, you guys kind of do what you

1203
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 14: want to do as long as you're in a proper

1204
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 14: spot and you guys communicate, and and that's the type

1205
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 14: of freedom that he allows veteran players, guys that he trusts.

1206
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 14: We put so much hard work and effort in and preparations,

1207
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 14: so when we did something like that, I know he's

1208
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 14: on the sideline panicking, But you know, Ty Law and

1209
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 14: I I.

1210
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 2: Mean, to be able to play with a guy like

1211
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: Ty a Hall.

1212
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,479
Speaker 14: Of famer, you know, and Richard Seymour and Vince wilf

1213
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 14: Fork and know those guys, I mean I had some

1214
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 14: special players out in San Diego, But to be able

1215
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 14: to play with some Hall of famers and some guys

1216
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 14: like Willie McGinn as, Kevin Faulk, Troy Brown, I mean.

1217
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: These guys are legends.

1218
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 14: These guys are not only are they brilliant football players,

1219
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 14: they're very smart people and to be able to have

1220
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 14: that opportunity was just truly a blessing.

1221
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 4: And don't tell yourself short. You had probably the biggest

1222
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 4: pick of that game when they went right down the

1223
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 4: field the first drive you had the interception in the

1224
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 4: end zone, Right, Is that how that all started? Well,

1225
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 4: stepped in front of Pollard.

1226
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 14: We all try to we all try to set the

1227
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 14: tone and it's not about one player. It's about the team.

1228
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 14: And you know, I can't you. I gotta mention my

1229
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 14: boy Tom Brady. You know, just seeing Tom get the

1230
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 14: love that he got last week coming back to the stadium,

1231
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 14: and just seeing how old of a man he was.

1232
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 2: You see how tired that dude was. He was tired,

1233
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: breathing hard. I thought TV twelve.

1234
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 15: Now look at Ruddie. I mean, you're you've got a

1235
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 15: job that takes you to Where were you last Sunday?

1236
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 15: You're in New York for the Giants Dallas game?

1237
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 2: Kansas City before that.

1238
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know.

1239
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 4: If you saw this.

1240
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 15: Did you see the guys on the sideline that were there.

1241
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 15: You mentioned Kevin Falk earlier, Kevin Fox in the front

1242
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 15: where all the former players were and he's chanting.

1243
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: Brady Brady Great.

1244
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 15: There's Dan Graham, you know, Kevin Fok, Darrell Reeves came

1245
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 15: back for the game to see that kind of close

1246
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 15: knit people, Rush Hokestein, you know, Dan Copen, aee of

1247
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 15: those guys coming back to just want to appreciate Tom.

1248
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 15: That made somebody who's been here for a long time.

1249
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 15: Made me feel good because that means it's important to

1250
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 15: these people to be there.

1251
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 14: And it also shows you how much of an impact

1252
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 14: Tom has had, not only just on the guys that

1253
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 14: he works with, you know, as far as the offense,

1254
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 14: but everybody. I mean, Tom has made such an impact.

1255
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 14: When I came here, we used to have lunch together.

1256
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 14: We used to sit down and have conversations and just

1257
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 14: talk about life, talk about perspective. And I just see,

1258
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 14: you know, Tom, twenty years later, he's you can see

1259
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 14: his personality. You see him smiling, laughing and being the

1260
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 14: genuine funny guy that we saw everybody else.

1261
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: Man, is this guy a robot? Does he ever smile?

1262
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: Does he have any emotion? But now since he's retired,

1263
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: he could take a deep breath.

1264
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 14: He's gone through a lot and now you know, he's

1265
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 14: just living his best life.

1266
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 4: What has it been like working with with Devin? You know,

1267
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 4: you have mentioned that you have all the former Patriots

1268
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 4: coming back. What's it like been a teammate with him now?

1269
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 14: Just a very humble young man, a guy that has

1270
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 14: such a beautiful future. I mean, he was a heck

1271
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 14: of a football player, great free safety. I think he

1272
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 14: was the best free safety that played under Belichick in

1273
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 14: the Patriots uniform. A guy that it matters to him

1274
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 14: and you can tell with his preparation the conversations that

1275
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 14: we've had. I try to offer him a little bit

1276
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 14: of advice, but just a family man, great husband.

1277
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: I'm just extremely proud. You know.

1278
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 14: I never thought that NBC would give another Patriots safety

1279
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 14: and opportunity. So I felt really proud of that because

1280
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 14: I take pride in my job I take and trying

1281
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 14: to do the right thing, being consistent. It's been fifteen

1282
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 14: years and people look, oh, what happened to you, You're

1283
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 14: not in the studio. Well, God had something different from me.

1284
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 14: I went from the studio to being on the field

1285
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 14: where I can interact with players, coaches, general managers and

1286
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 14: just being so close to the game. And Devon's doing

1287
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 14: such a wonderful job in the studio. Come on, man,

1288
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 14: two Patriots doing Sunday night football.

1289
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe NBC knew what a tandem that would have been.

1290
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 4: Oh my good with the free safety like Dev and

1291
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 4: then old school right.

1292
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: I definitely wanted his contract, but.

1293
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 15: Oh yeah, yeah, it's not a big sample size Rodney

1294
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 15: and your student. You're so you're watching everything. How have

1295
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 15: they done? And you don't replace Devin mccordy. You don't

1296
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 15: replace Rodney Hassen. So how what have you seen that

1297
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 15: they're trying to do? Because he was such an integral

1298
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 15: part of the communication, making sure that everybody's in the

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Speaker 15: right spot and everything like that. What have you seen

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Speaker 15: as they're trying to replace.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think the players that they get. Obviously, you

1302
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 14: can't just learn one position. You have to be able

1303
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 14: to learn multiple positions. And if you can't communicate, you

1304
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 14: can't play with the Patriots. I don't care if you're

1305
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Speaker 14: a corner, because at times, even if you're a corner.

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Speaker 14: Marcus Jones, he's playing safety sometimes. You know, Kyle Duggart,

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00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 14: he's playing deep middle part of the field, but he's

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Speaker 14: also playing linebacker, but he's also playing strong safety in

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Speaker 14: the box. So you have to be able to know

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Speaker 14: and be able to communicate multiple positions. And when I

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Speaker 14: come off the field, I have to be able to say, Okay, guys,

1312
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 14: this is what happened at the linebacker position, but also

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Speaker 14: be able to switch my mindset to this is what

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Speaker 14: happened at the nickel spot.

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Speaker 2: So these guys are smart.

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Speaker 14: They all communicate, and they know that they have to

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Speaker 14: be efficient at every position that they play.

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Speaker 4: Could you have played you know the way that they

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Speaker 4: do it? Absolutely? Could you have figured it out?

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Speaker 14: See the difference would have been and the reason why

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Speaker 14: I used to hit guys up high because guys would

1322
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 14: actually come and tell me, hey, Rod, come on, man,

1323
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Speaker 14: avoiding my knees because I'm trying to make a living.

1324
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 14: I got three kids and a wife, and I'm like, cool,

1325
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Speaker 14: don't mind. I don't want to hit you in the knees.

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Speaker 14: But if you're asking me, I can go full speed

1327
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 14: and hit a guy in his knees now as opposed

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Speaker 14: to hitting them up high trying to protect him, then

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Speaker 14: I would have made the necessary adjustments.

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Speaker 2: Definitely something.

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Speaker 7: All right, we're back from lunch, or at least some

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Speaker 7: of us are. Evan went out to practice. It's Deuce

1333
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Speaker 7: holding down the ford here for a minute, Fred dealing

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00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 7: with stuff, Paul finishing off that sandwich, all right, got

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Speaker 7: it down and getting ready.

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Speaker 4: For hour too.

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Speaker 5: Here on the show. There we go.

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Speaker 4: We got Fred back.

1339
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Speaker 5: Now, don't worry, it's not gonna be me, all of them.

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Speaker 5: Our version of that sounds delicious.

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Speaker 1: Come on, Mike, keep you going, gonna keep going.

1342
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Speaker 5: I forgot, I forgot. Your balls are so tender walls, Pete,

1343
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 5: that's right, yeah, Pete switty. So yeah, here we are.

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Speaker 5: Oh you're just I'm back, all right, Yeah, take over Fred?

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Speaker 1: All right?

1346
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 4: Fine?

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Speaker 1: Eight five five PATS five hundred is the A Sticket hotline.

1348
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Speaker 1: Web radio at Patriots dot com is the email address.

1349
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: We're talking, of course, all things Patriots getting ready for

1350
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: the Jets. Evan has left for practice, so he was

1351
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: out there, so he will be back from practice soon.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait see who's out there. Late. News came out

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00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: late last night that Trent Brown was given a little

1354
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: bit of a bump this year incentive base, but two

1355
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Speaker 1: million dollars. So we'll see if he's out celebrating.

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Speaker 7: You know that he has a chance to maybe earn

1357
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Speaker 7: two million extra dollars probably in the works for a while,

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Speaker 7: I would guess. I mean, we all went back last

1359
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Speaker 7: year when all of a sudden he's playing left tackle,

1360
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Speaker 7: that they probably wanted this.

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Speaker 5: To happen last year.

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Speaker 4: I go back to training camp.

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Speaker 7: You know, I mean, I can go back to you know,

1364
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Speaker 7: when they first put him in left tackle and been like, hey,

1365
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Speaker 7: what we didn't realize.

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Speaker 4: No, but like he started, you know, he didn't really

1367
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Speaker 4: do a whole lot in training camp. He was out there,

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Speaker 4: but he wasn't really participating, so he wasn't really dealing

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Speaker 4: with anything. And he laughed at us when we asked

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Speaker 4: about it. And now here you go, you get a

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Speaker 4: couple of million in senses, much like Matthew Judon. I

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Speaker 4: think there might have been some some of that with

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Speaker 4: DeVante Park as well. It's like guys that was sort

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Speaker 4: of angry for different reasons, and it kind of got

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Speaker 4: a little extra a.

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Speaker 7: Little bit interesting to me that they would redo the

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Speaker 7: contract and not really consider resigning them. I mean, they

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Speaker 7: don't have any tackles really coming back next year except

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Speaker 7: that I guess the new guys are probably under contract,

1380
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Speaker 7: but you know, as far as starters right now, certainly

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Speaker 7: Trent's not coming back, or at least not I mean, sorry,

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Speaker 7: I misspoke. He not under contract right now. Let's hope

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01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 7: you know that. But let's hope they've learned that lesson.

1384
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 7: But if you're talking to them about a little sweetener,

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01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 7: you know, no consideration and maybe pay Let's tack another

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01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 7: year on and maybe at least provide a body here.

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Speaker 5: When we come back next year at Tackle to work with.

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Speaker 1: Well Focused On twenty twenty three, Mike right Bradley writes

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Speaker 1: in thanks for moving these podcasts to YouTube. For every show,

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Speaker 1: YouTube lets us rewind from the beginning for those of

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Speaker 1: us who can't catch the first hour but don't want

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Speaker 1: to wait till it's complete and sent out to Spotify

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01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: or other platforms to listen. I thoroughly enjoy listening to

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Speaker 1: you guys on my lunch break, and now I'm able

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01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: to rewind and catch the full show from the beginning

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Speaker 1: while you're actively live. Really appreciate the push to get

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Speaker 1: these on YouTube. Oh and of course we get to

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Speaker 1: see your smiling faces as we go six and eleven

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Speaker 1: fingers crossed. We turn it around for more excitement and

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Speaker 1: uplifting patriots.

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01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 7: Unfiltered shows all right, try try my best here for uplifting.

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01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: But look at winning. It helps everything.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you that it does.

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Speaker 1: Melvin's on the ace stiket houtline. What's up, Melvin?

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Speaker 10: Go on?

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Speaker 4: Hey hey.

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Speaker 16: Two things. The first thing is in regards to the

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Speaker 16: just the division itself. The last, you know, big picture

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Speaker 16: of the two big dogs, I guess Miami and the Bells.

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Speaker 16: But most part whenever they come to play us at home,

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Speaker 16: they can come in play about an average game, and

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01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 16: but most I beat you. There's a big gap between

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01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 16: the hours. In this previous game, I felt like if

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01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 16: Miami wanted to score more, probably could. It wasn't too

1415
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 16: much that we could do really to stop them at

1416
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 16: particular moments. But I feel like they put their you know,

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01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 16: took their foot out the gas a little bit. But

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Speaker 16: it didn't seem like from an overall standpoint, the score

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01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 16: itself seemed the close, but I mean the game was

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Speaker 16: over pretty much pretty early. Yeah, just a general feeling.

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Speaker 1: What you're saying, yeah, ye.

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Speaker 16: And then the second thing is like with our players,

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Speaker 16: you know, just adjusting to different players. I know, uh,

1424
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 16: Douglas fumble or whatever it is like that, But in

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01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 16: that particular moment. I know Bill talks about previous times.

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Speaker 16: You know, it's it's I mean, players are different, people

1427
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 16: respond differently, you know, generations are different these days. So further,

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Speaker 16: I never got fumbled, clearly, I never got fumbled. But

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01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 16: further embarrassing him or further like doing particular things to him,

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Speaker 16: I don't know how that there's two things you're supposed

1431
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 16: to do this. I think it further discourages your player,

1432
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 16: and it doesn't increase your chance to win this game.

1433
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 16: That's there. Who knows that could have went in there

1434
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 16: and caught a nine yard bomb like there wasn't. Who

1435
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 16: knows I can put them back there?

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Speaker 1: I agree, Like, it's not it's not like you have

1437
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: all these other guys, like you know, that are producing,

1438
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: and like, why are we going to put a guy

1439
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: out there that's gonna fumble when we have all these

1440
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: other guys that are producing. And I think Bill tried

1441
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: to make that point after the game, but it fell

1442
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: on deaf ears because you know, he was like, you know,

1443
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: we had other guys having productive games, you know, and

1444
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: he didn't finish it by thing.

1445
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 4: Right, that's the thing that bothers, right.

1446
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's like I can understand that mentality

1447
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 1: if you've got a bunch of playmakers, right, Like, why

1448
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: are we going to put a guy out that's going

1449
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: to give the ball to the other team when we

1450
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: have other playmakers? And that's not the point. The point

1451
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: for this year on this team is that you don't

1452
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: that this guy is one of your more dynamic guys

1453
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: and you need him for in the best interest of

1454
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: the team. You need him. It's not like other years

1455
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: where Okay, you know, we've got James White and we've

1456
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: got a bunch of other guys and we you know.

1457
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 16: Yeah, and he's young, he could shed down. There's like

1458
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 16: a lot of different emotional things that he could do,

1459
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 16: or he could just go out for a sixty.

1460
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Speaker 10: You don't know.

1461
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm less worried about his mental state than

1462
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: I am about winning the football game.

1463
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Speaker 4: Well, to me, it's both. I think Melvin's right, I

1464
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 4: think that can have adverse effycts and he's right to say,

1465
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 4: you know, these soft well because this I'm not going

1466
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 4: to get into a big thing, but you can't tell

1467
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 4: me there aren't differences between a lot of these guys

1468
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 4: now than they would have been twenty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Give me the tough guys.

1470
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Speaker 4: But anyway, right, and you don't know if you have one.

1471
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Speaker 1: I'm not worried about I'm worried about winning the game

1472
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: and having guys out there that can well, that's first

1473
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Speaker 1: and foremost.

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Speaker 4: But I'm gonna tell you, I don't think a lot

1475
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Speaker 4: of people have talked about this. So it was fumbling,

1476
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 4: and what did he do with the rest of the game.

1477
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Speaker 5: Mike returned punts.

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Speaker 4: Does that make sense to anybody? Yeah, right, I'm worried

1479
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,439
Speaker 4: about him fumbling. He's got to go and feel shame

1480
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 4: because he fumbled, and now I'm gonna have him handle

1481
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 4: punts right, and one of them by the way, he

1482
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 4: started running backward. I uh, I mean, I don't want to.

1483
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Speaker 4: I don't sorry.

1484
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 5: I'll let Melvin for finish.

1485
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 4: Before you know, you good.

1486
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Speaker 16: I was trying to see what they're gonna fight.

1487
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, all right, we got good. You're always good

1488
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: at start.

1489
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Speaker 4: We're all in agreement. That to Mario Douglas. I think

1490
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 4: I'm with Melvin and Mike and Fred. I think they

1491
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 4: he should have been continued to be a part of

1492
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 4: that offense. And they had about four positive plays in

1493
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 4: that game, and he made two of them.

1494
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, and they and they, you know, Bill O'Brian continue

1495
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 7: to kind of dance around it and kind of say,

1496
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 7: you know, similar to what Bill did of you know,

1497
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 7: And I'm not going to say that that they're that

1498
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 7: they're being, you know, fully upfront. And you know, there's

1499
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 7: just no one came out and said we benched him,

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01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 7: you know, like every the whole thing, it's just been like,

1501
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 7: this is how he'll learn from it, Yeah, which is

1502
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 7: like and I and I still think he did, and

1503
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 7: I still think that we should be outraged about it.

1504
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 7: But it just doesn't make sense to me with Paul

1505
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 7: saying you're gonna bench him, but you're gonna let him

1506
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 7: return punts, you know, Like I don't know, they're just

1507
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 7: it doesn't it may it might not be as cut

1508
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 7: and dry as he fumbled and these that's it, he's done.

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Speaker 7: Put them over there. I I wonder if it's you know,

1510
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 7: not quite as that cut and dry. I just think

1511
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 7: it's crazy that we're in week two and we're all

1512
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 7: kind of up in arms that they pulled the Mario

1513
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 7: Douglas the sixth round rookie to put in Juju Smith Schuster.

1514
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 7: I mean, it's It illustrates what has happened and how

1515
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 7: much things have changed them kind of our preseason prediction.

1516
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: Definitely, there's no doubt. I mean, there's no excuse for it.

1517
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: You've got to be aware of what's going on over

1518
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: all around you.

1519
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 4: I just think it was a tough one.

1520
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: A lot of guys made mistakes on Sunday. You know,

1521
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: you can't take them all out of the game.

1522
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,919
Speaker 4: I think. I think fumbles can be different too. I do,

1523
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 4: and I know, I know it sounds silly like to me,

1524
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 4: the Ezekiel Elliot fumble is far more egregious than that

1525
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 4: one was.

1526
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 5: You know, Oh yeah, I would say, so.

1527
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 4: Didn't put the ball away. I mean, Douglas had the

1528
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 4: ball and.

1529
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 7: He didn't have no idea that was and a veteran

1530
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,439
Speaker 7: kind of in a traffic filled screen pass area where

1531
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 7: you know there's gonna be arms. I mean I even

1532
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 7: said it out loud on Douglas's first pass when he

1533
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 7: was running on, like, hold onto the ball. You know,

1534
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 7: it's just, you know, those things with a rookie are

1535
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 7: just so important. And I mean, didn't everybody see that

1536
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 7: coming though? As soon as as he.

1537
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 2: Was We don't.

1538
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: We're not privy to practice.

1539
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 4: I say, I'm gonna take Bill's side on that. Yeah, right, Fred, like,

1540
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 4: because he came from college with a yea. I talked

1541
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 4: a little bit about this with him. I mean with coaches.

1542
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 4: He had a little bit of a ball security issue.

1543
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe it's it's reared its head in practice,

1544
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: and Bill said, listen, you can't do that, and you

1545
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: know he had to make a point, but yeah, I

1546
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: just I'm just looking at the state of the game

1547
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: and the team at that point.

1548
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right for it, Like the first and foremost,

1549
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 4: you got to try to do everything you can to

1550
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 4: win a game.

1551
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: Now, if he does it again, okay, I mean we're

1552
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: now we're handing the other team the game.

1553
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 7: But I just think it's setting up something really interesting

1554
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 7: as far as him not Maybe direct conflict is the

1555
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 7: wrong word because their teammates and they're both vying for

1556
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 7: a position. But I mean, I think everybody right now

1557
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 7: is saying, you know, and I think Greg even reported

1558
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 7: Bard said, you know, someone on the Dolphins said he's

1559
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 7: like their only real explosive player. I read that today,

1560
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 7: you know, I thought that was interesting, Like, you know,

1561
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 7: so we're all gonna want him on the field. So

1562
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 7: is that going to be directly in conflict with Juju?

1563
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 7: Who is you know, we all know what's going on

1564
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 7: with Juju right now. He was you know piece they

1565
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 7: signed to a significant off off you know, off season deal.

1566
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 7: So it's just it's it's going to continue to come

1567
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 7: to a head. Get Juju off the field, get Pop

1568
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 7: Douglas on there. You know, is that going to be

1569
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 7: kind of the rallying cry of how to get this

1570
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 7: offense to be more explosive and is it going to

1571
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 7: come at the expense of, you know, one of your

1572
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 7: crown jewels of free agency.

1573
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, And yesterday we made a comment about you know what,

1574
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 4: Bill said, you know what was the biggest problem? You know,

1575
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 4: you stressed the fast turnovers and I think I know

1576
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 4: at the time, I said, you know, I'm also starting

1577
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:25,959
Speaker 4: to get a little annoyed at some of the comments,

1578
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 4: and that was one of them. We never really got

1579
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 4: back to that. Yesterday the first game against Philadelphia, turnovers

1580
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 4: were huge. I mean, a direct pick six that takes

1581
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 4: you know, it takes a three to nothing game with

1582
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 4: you on the move and takes it it makes it

1583
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 4: a ten to nothing game. That was a huge swing

1584
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 4: in the game, and then you follow it up on

1585
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 4: your next snap by turning it over again to give

1586
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 4: them a short field to then make it sixteen nothing.

1587
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 4: No one would argue that what was the difference in

1588
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 4: that game? Turnovers? Early turnovers put us in a hole

1589
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 4: this game. I'm sorry. The difference in the game was

1590
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 4: not a turnover. The difference in the start of the game.

1591
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 4: You didn't fall behind seventeen to three because you fumbled

1592
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 4: on the second series and then let Miami go. You

1593
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 4: have the game book right in front of you, Mike.

1594
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 4: What was the drive that made it ten to nothing?

1595
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,719
Speaker 5: The next one that would be eleven plays seventy three yards?

1596
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 4: Okay, you didn't. You didn't lose that game because of

1597
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 4: a turnover when you let the team go seventy three

1598
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 4: yards after said turnover and then that was it.

1599
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I mean, and you know, just to illustrate

1600
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 7: it all right, on their first drive the first half,

1601
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 7: they they didn't blow start, they didn't turn the ball

1602
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 7: over in the first half, but on second and twelve

1603
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 7: and first they do run for negative two yards and

1604
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 7: negative play. Then Matt gets sacked for negative nine yards.

1605
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 7: You're now in third and twenty one right, Stevenson for nothing. Now,

1606
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 7: just to compare that to the drive that you just

1607
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 7: asked me about. Already up seven to nothing. You know,

1608
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 7: Isaiah Win has an illegal block above the waist, so

1609
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 7: back them up ten yards. They're first in nineteen. But

1610
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 7: what happens they get a twenty eight yard you know,

1611
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 7: the twenty eight yard pass.

1612
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 4: To Wattle screen.

1613
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 7: It just shows you what happens why the Patriots they

1614
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 7: get in a hole hard to come out, but when

1615
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 7: you have weapons, those guys you can get out of

1616
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 7: those holes.

1617
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 4: And the play that Douglas fumbled on was what third

1618
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 4: and nine, I want to.

1619
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 5: Say, yep, third and eight, So third and long.

1620
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 4: He's converting the same way Miami converted the along yardage

1621
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 4: with a quick screen to a quick, fast receiver who

1622
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 4: made a play, and unfortunately he fumbled and then we

1623
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 4: don't see him again the rest of the night.

1624
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 7: And he would have had the first down and he

1625
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 7: would have would they would have been going, you know,

1626
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 7: they would have been they would have been marching.

1627
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 5: So maybe that's something to build up.

1628
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: Christopher the ti An says, all the knowledge in that

1629
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: studio and no one's been able to pin what the

1630
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: issue is with this team, isn't it obvious? It's the

1631
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: lighthouse bell, bad news bell, no more bell until the

1632
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: team wins. It's the equivalent of singing Sweet Caroline at

1633
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: Fenway when the socks are getting blown out. I don't

1634
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: know that that happened at the beginning of the game.

1635
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 4: We don't ring the bell in the middle of the

1636
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 4: fourth quarter, right, But I know he's just haunving fun.

1637
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: Oh boy, everybody's a comedian. Although we did have Kevin

1638
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: It's came my Friend and Duncan Donuts Love the halftime

1639
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: show with Rodney Harrison.

1640
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 4: Oh thank you, yeah, hot Rod Yeah, yeah, he's uh,

1641
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 4: he's great, He's he's just he's It was always one

1642
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 4: of my.

1643
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: Few bond Big hug, Yeah, big hug.

1644
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 4: Any uh any I said to brad I said to

1645
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 4: Bradley afterwards, I said, you know, I used to have

1646
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 4: relationships with what he started.

1647
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: Laughing, Uh video in California. What's up?

1648
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, can you hear me?

1649
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 4: Yes?

1650
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1651
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 10: Cool?

1652
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 8: Hey, uh California A longtime pats. Then I remember putting

1653
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 8: a bucket under my leaking roof in the twenty eighteen

1654
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 8: NFTY Championship because I just couldn't be bothered. So I know,

1655
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 8: I don't want to take up too much time because

1656
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 8: I'm the lost folks, So I don't want to get

1657
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 8: to the point here, what is it going to take

1658
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 8: to fix this O line? Because my theory is, you know, Max,

1659
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 8: like you got what two seconds two point four seconds

1660
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 8: to throw the ball? You give him a bit more

1661
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 8: time to throw that ball. Receivers know that Mac has

1662
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 8: a little bit of time, They can get a bit

1663
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 8: more open, players can get a bit more explosive. Things

1664
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 8: just haven't been looking good since Cornekia left. No, I

1665
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 8: hear you you coaching or talent or players like in

1666
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 8: your opinion, I mean, we may not have the right answer, right,

1667
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 8: but what do you think we need to do to

1668
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 8: an Now we're in the off he's going to fix

1669
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 8: this online. I mean let's start there.

1670
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean talented, talented tackle. But I'm going

1671
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: to make a prediction. This is a good test this

1672
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,520
Speaker 1: week because this is a formidable front seven, good defense.

1673
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: I think you're going to see improvement. It's not going

1674
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,560
Speaker 1: to be you know, Dallas Cowboys.

1675
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 4: It can't be worse.

1676
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:35,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you're going to see improvement.

1677
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 2: You know.

1678
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: Strange now has a game under his belt. And when

1679
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: you has a game under his belt, Trent Brown, I

1680
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 1: think is going to be back. You know, David Andrews

1681
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: is still there. Of course, I think and Low.

1682
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 4: Play right tackle or do you think that?

1683
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 7: I mean, I think anything will be on the table. Yeah,

1684
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 7: anything will be on this Like.

1685
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 4: I don't think it'll be as bad because I don't

1686
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,480
Speaker 4: think you can play that bad two weeks in a Yeah, anybody.

1687
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 1: You're going to see it be better. It's not going

1688
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: to be great, but it's going to be better than

1689
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 1: last week.

1690
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, let's hope. So because I saw I saw a

1691
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 8: stranger and I think it was strange. And when you

1692
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 8: not one guy, I know, Doc Mackwell, they were both

1693
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 8: holding the one dude and they couldn't even hold him.

1694
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 8: I was like, come on, I know we can.

1695
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: Do better you Yeah, yeah, cool, all right, Hey, love

1696
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: you guys. All right, thank you for calling. Let's go

1697
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 1: to Rooney in Tennessee.

1698
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 17: This is not Roony, Ernie.

1699
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: Ernie, oh Man, Matt, it's not even close.

1700
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 17: Yeah. I thank you guys for the great content that

1701
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 17: you guys put out than you really appreciate.

1702
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: Ernie. Can you come back to the Booths and you know,

1703
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 1: call Bill during the game. I'm only two.

1704
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 5: You know they had Rodney Harrison and halftime. Did that

1705
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 5: bring back memories?

1706
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1707
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,799
Speaker 17: Yeah, you guys do a great job and just appreciate

1708
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 17: you guys. Mike Beef is with Bill not starting the

1709
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 17: younger guys or putting him in the doghouse like he

1710
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 17: did with Douglas. Then he got Booty. You know, they

1711
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 17: don't even give the guy a chance. He makes a

1712
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 17: couple of mistakes and he's out of it.

1713
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 4: Boy was hurt, just you know, just to clarify, Booty

1714
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 4: had a hamstring pull that limited him during the course

1715
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 4: of the week and that's why he was inactive. Okay,

1716
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 4: But the Douglas thing we've talked about. We agree with you, Ernie.

1717
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 4: We thought it was a strange choice to sort of

1718
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 4: take him out of the offense from that point on.

1719
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 4: And I do think he has let some of the

1720
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 4: younger players play a little bit, not a not a

1721
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 4: ton defense, not a ton other than Gonzalez. Gonzalez plays

1722
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 4: every snap, but White, White and Map who have been

1723
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 4: sort of part time players, and they're fighting their way.

1724
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I think I think it's at least a

1725
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 4: positive sign that Bill's letting some of these young guys play.

1726
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 2: I think.

1727
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 17: I think I think we'll see a better product to

1728
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 17: the middle of you think it better, they'll get better.

1729
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 1: I think so too.

1730
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 4: When the schedule lightens up. Now, we'll have the same

1731
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 4: thing that we've had. We'll play better against the Saints

1732
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 4: than they did against the Dolphins teams not Sundays, the

1733
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 4: tougher teams. Yeah, yeah, I didn't see it. It's not I

1734
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 4: think in the first game, absolutely, Philly is a good team.

1735
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 4: Philly is a good offense, and they made that offense

1736
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 4: look average.

1737
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: All right.

1738
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the defense played really well against Philly.

1739
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 4: I still think that, Like, I don't change my opinion

1740
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 4: because of what I saw the following week. I think

1741
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 4: they played well in the first game.

1742
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: Eric's in New Jersey. What's up? Eric?

1743
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 2: Hey?

1744
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 4: Fred?

1745
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 10: Paul?

1746
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 16: Uh, Yeah, Paul.

1747
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 12: I think the you know, the Eagles playing not playing

1748
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 12: another preseason there might have had something to do with it.

1749
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 4: But maybe maybe Yeah, I want.

1750
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 18: To kind of give us two points here and kind

1751
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 18: of see your guys take on it. I see the

1752
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 18: only two viable options to make this offense uh any

1753
01:15:57,479 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 18: dynamic would be to Mario Douglas and then you know

1754
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 18: Tae Kwon Thornton. I mean he's the only guy that

1755
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,600
Speaker 18: can you know, they have their two skills sets that

1756
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 18: aren't replicated on this roster and possibly do you see

1757
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 18: them you know, maybe trying to get creative that's using

1758
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 18: those motions that McDaniel's uses with hill Waddle to kind

1759
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 18: of you know, free up that space with you know,

1760
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 18: Tae kwan, so he's not getting jammed off the line

1761
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 18: and you know, maybe get through downfield throws and I'll

1762
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 18: pick it off the line. Thank god.

1763
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've been thinking about that. I mean, it's it's

1764
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 7: some of that. It's it's appealing in theory. In practice,

1765
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 7: I wish I've seen it to like have some excitement

1766
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 7: about Thornton and say, you know, I think his speed

1767
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 7: can really you know, help complement this offense and you

1768
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 7: know maybe I mean that's the thought that's going through

1769
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 7: my brain constantly, like, well, if maybe Douglas and Thornton,

1770
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 7: like maybe those two get them out there, you know,

1771
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 7: with Parker and a little smattering of Born and then

1772
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 7: maybe you've got some speed. But unfortunately, I just I

1773
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 7: can't tell you that I've seen a lot out of

1774
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:50,839
Speaker 7: Taekwon Thornton enough to at least make me think.

1775
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 5: That it's it's possible.

1776
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 7: I mean, in theory, it is that you know the

1777
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 7: player we thought we were getting when he came out,

1778
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 7: but I just haven't seen it yet.

1779
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 1: How about Eldred in North Carolina?

1780
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 10: What's up, drid Hey tell us how y'all doing today?

1781
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 10: All right, I'm doing pretty good.

1782
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: Paul.

1783
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 10: I'm gonna pick at you because for ten to twelve

1784
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 10: years you've been picking at me, and I kept saying

1785
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 10: you need a better gym because he can't draft Bill

1786
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 10: was a good draft that was still now Buddy.

1787
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 4: Two shake to Shae, Buddy. I don't let a lot

1788
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 4: of people. I don't let a lot of people talk

1789
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 4: to me like that. But you get away with that Aldridge.

1790
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 1: I like that.

1791
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,759
Speaker 10: Yeah, but there's one day to keep telling me about

1792
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 10: this offense. And even with mc daniels and Bill or

1793
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 10: Bill O'Brien, why did you want to go deep with

1794
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 10: the slowest receivers on the team. I can't never I

1795
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 10: can't never understand that. I know you got Rager and

1796
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,600
Speaker 10: he only been there a couple of days, but you

1797
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 10: can't tell him to a slug o or or a flag,

1798
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,560
Speaker 10: you know, to the to the goal line with that

1799
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 10: speed and then try to do it to him. I

1800
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 10: can never understand that with that office.

1801
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 4: I go back to the previous caller and sort of

1802
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 4: the idea of you know, getting thought and out there,

1803
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 4: maybe sending him over the top and having Douglas you

1804
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 4: know underneath, you know too speedier guys, maybe you can

1805
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 4: carve out some space. Reager is is what he is.

1806
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a He's a wash out journeyman. At

1807
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 4: this point. I'm not expecting I'm not expecting anything from him. Now.

1808
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 4: Maybe you know, who knows, Maybe they resurrect his career,

1809
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 4: you know, wouldn't be completely unprecedented, But I don't know.

1810
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 4: What do you think?

1811
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 5: I mean, they just promoted him to not even let

1812
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 5: him enter the game.

1813
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 4: So I mean that that that that to me, insurance

1814
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 4: that to me told me that they didn't know if

1815
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 4: Parker would be able to play every snap. He played

1816
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 4: every snap, and they didn't need Rager.

1817
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 1: Thanks Eldred, appreciate the call. I'll do a quick em. No, oh,

1818
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:43,879
Speaker 1: there's evan. Guess what.

1819
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 4: Has turned has returned?

1820
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 18: Has turned.

1821
01:18:53,880 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 3: The Hello Hello? So miraculously by some miracle. Trent Brown

1822
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 3: back didn't see that Hatriots practice today.

1823
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 1: I think the incentive was, what can you show up

1824
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: to practice today, and they said, okay, we'll give you

1825
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: two million.

1826
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 3: Dollars some more good news. Jonathan Jones and City so

1827
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 3: both back as well. There we go, the only player

1828
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 3: pencil without what we believe to be an excused absence

1829
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 3: for Dvon Godshaw. Congratulations to him and his fyance with

1830
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:28,719
Speaker 3: the baby. Marcus Jones. No, no, Marcus Jones. Marcus Jones

1831
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 3: shoulder is what it was reported as during the game

1832
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 3: by the team, So.

1833
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 4: Be curious to see if there's a concussion involved as well. Well,

1834
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 4: he because he got they made a big deal of

1835
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 4: it first time. Yeah, like he like he hit his

1836
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 4: head on that play too, and I think he definitely

1837
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 4: has a shoulder injury, you know the way they were

1838
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 4: coming off the field with his arms sort of tucked up.

1839
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 4: But I think there was some head contact there too.

1840
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:55,879
Speaker 1: And who knows, the weather is nice here seventy two degrees,

1841
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 1: So did that affect the mood at all?

1842
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 3: Evan, No, No, there's still a lot of grousing, still

1843
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 3: some grousing. No, No, there wasn't a ton of grousing,

1844
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 3: but uh, you know a couple of practices in the

1845
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 3: row where we haven't really had a whole lot of

1846
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 3: time out there. Ll not a lot of time last

1847
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 3: week there and not a lot of time today. So

1848
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 3: basically you have the bare minimum amount of time to

1849
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 3: take attendance and the get the heck out of here.

1850
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. This isn't a side. But I was

1851
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 1: reading because we're going to Germany, so I was reading

1852
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 1: the rules of practice access in Germany, and the league

1853
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: mandates that, you know, for the practices in Germany, media

1854
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: has to have up to thirty minutes at least, you know,

1855
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: thirty minutes of practice time or when the team goes

1856
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 1: into their team drills. So it's like, does anyone from

1857
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: the league understand how this works? Like, like, so they

1858
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: start the team drills five minutes in and then it's over. Yeah,

1859
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, like there's no sense in putting in the

1860
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: thirty minutes.

1861
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 5: I thought we were going to get to watch a

1862
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 5: whole practice in Germany for a second.

1863
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 1: So it's words, it's going to be no different than

1864
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 1: the practice we get here.

1865
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 3: Ye, not a not a big deal, but yeah, that

1866
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 3: was very short out there. Today. So I have no

1867
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 3: idea how anybody looked or anything that went on.

1868
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,640
Speaker 4: Really got the mood Marcus John's camp, is that really up?

1869
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 10: Pad?

1870
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: Pads?

1871
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 3: Yes, pads today, pads. So they've been doing Wednesday, they've

1872
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 3: been doing pads most Wednesdays. I would say since the

1873
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 3: first Yeah, most Wednesdays they've been doing pads. You know,

1874
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 3: Bill Brian said yesterday that run game, obviously, with how

1875
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 3: bad it's been, is going to be a huge emphasis.

1876
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 3: So I'm not surprised, you know, put the guys in

1877
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 3: pads and let's let's try to get this thing rolling

1878
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 3: for Remandre.

1879
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 1: Okay, there have been several media people who have had

1880
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: very hot takes lately. Were they out there? Any of

1881
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: the hot takers?

1882
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 3: Uh, I'm not sure you're referencing Greg Better?

1883
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: Was he out there?

1884
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 4: He was? What was his hunting?

1885
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 5: Better doesn't go?

1886
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 1: Did you hear him yesterday?

1887
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 2: No?

1888
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: Oh he was just like I read him today, he

1889
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: had a rant. Oh yeah, it was good, good it

1890
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,679
Speaker 1: actually like he did make a lot of sense.

1891
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,839
Speaker 4: I have to say, you know, I read the stuff

1892
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 4: that that he and Giarti have been talking about with

1893
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 4: the defensive game plan, and I'm not sure I'm on board.

1894
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 4: I think I'm more on on Belichick's side. I know

1895
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 4: that probably stunned you Fred the whole you know, passive

1896
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 4: approach on defense. I yeah, I'm not telling you it

1897
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 4: worked because I don't think it worked. I don't think

1898
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 4: they played very well. But I think the reason why

1899
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 4: it didn't work for the most part was because I

1900
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 4: don't think they tackled the way they normally do and

1901
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 4: swum to the ball and whatnot. But like, I don't

1902
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 4: think it was a dumb sort of idea to say

1903
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 4: we're gonna just put everybody back and make sure that

1904
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 4: they go the long way. I don't think that was

1905
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 4: a I mean, like I said, it didn't work, So

1906
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to give him credit for something that

1907
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 4: I don't really think was executed properly. But if you

1908
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 4: just played them straight up, do you think it would

1909
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,280
Speaker 4: have been any better worse.

1910
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 7: Trying to go get them right? You know, we'll see.

1911
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 7: I mean, it's not that far before they played them again.

1912
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 7: I think it's just.

1913
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 4: What was his hot take? What did I miss?

1914
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: Well?

1915
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,600
Speaker 3: I just think to that I agree with you that,

1916
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 3: like that's the kind of the only way you can

1917
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 3: play offenses like that. I think Jabriel Peppers said it

1918
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 3: best after the game when he said, you have to

1919
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 3: make them snap the ball as much as possible, Like

1920
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 3: if they're just if they're just going right down the

1921
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 3: field in five six plays all night long, then it's

1922
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,679
Speaker 3: the we're screwed. But at the same time, this team

1923
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 3: needs the defense to dictate the game, right, like the.

1924
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,560
Speaker 4: Defense point, and they have a lot of money on

1925
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 4: the defense.

1926
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 3: The defense can't just like bend, don't break, and they

1927
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 3: can't just hold on against good offenses. The defense needs

1928
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 3: to win the game, and they were very, very far

1929
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,799
Speaker 3: from winning the game. But his rant about Pop Douglas

1930
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 3: was spot on. I mean the point that he made

1931
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 3: about so Zeke fumbles on his first ever touch as

1932
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 3: a Patriot in Week one and is immediately put right

1933
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 3: back into the game. But then a rookie fumbles on

1934
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 3: a rookie miss moment, really it was all it was

1935
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 3: and never sees the field again. So like, where's the

1936
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 3: consistency like with it, either you're in the doghouse for

1937
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:11,639
Speaker 3: returning the ball.

1938
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: It's a rookie rule. I mean, we've seen it before here,

1939
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 1: you know, and I haven't liked it. Then no, we

1940
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 1: never liked it, but that's what he does. I would

1941
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 1: conditions on the ground have changed since those times, you know. Yeah,

1942
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 1: that's my thing, you know, like we're desperate right now,

1943
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: we're desperate for We're desperate for somebody who's dynamic.

1944
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 7: I mean, it's not exactly the same in any way,

1945
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:38,639
Speaker 7: but I just I was just thinking of Welker getting

1946
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 7: bench before that, and that's.

1947
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 4: Not a rookie thing. I do think it's an inconsistency thing.

1948
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 5: Guys you like, guys you don't like.

1949
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's That's what I'm thinking.

1950
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,560
Speaker 1: But I also think that that's you know, Bill, you know,

1951
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, just paying respect to another coach, you know, Yeah,

1952
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 1: that and I get it. I get that, you know,

1953
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm okay with that.

1954
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 4: I wondered if if Ezekiel Elliott did that, if he

1955
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 4: would have gotten benched. I guess is no.

1956
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: Micah from South Dakota, You guys open the show by

1957
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: talking about how the Jets offensive line hasn't been good

1958
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,639
Speaker 1: in the first two games. I feel like our pass

1959
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 1: rush hasn't been playing anything spectacular to start either. I

1960
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: want to see Matthew Judan make his presence known this week.

1961
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,560
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Jude on possibly having a

1962
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 1: big game. Also, I saw that Christian Gonzalez is third

1963
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: highest rated corner in the league on through the first

1964
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 1: two weeks. What have you seen from Christian Gonzalez early

1965
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: this year that makes him so highly rated? A billy,

1966
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 1: the swivel hips, the ability to cut with the player.

1967
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a rare talent. You know, I go

1968
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: back to revs like that. I just love watching revis

1969
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 1: do that just mirror his you know, the receiver. Obviously,

1970
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,719
Speaker 1: dian Bran Sanders was amazing.

1971
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:03,920
Speaker 5: Prime, you know he but coach coach.

1972
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 4: Did you hear what Coach Prime did at practice? Did

1973
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 4: you hear this?

1974
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 13: I did?

1975
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 4: Good for him putting pumping music in noise into his practice.

1976
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 5: I didn't know that.

1977
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 4: I never I don't. I don't know if I've ever

1978
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 4: seen that.

1979
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 7: But he's any level of revolutionaire I've never seen trying

1980
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 7: to mimic the sound of the game correct, Oh my god,

1981
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 7: like they actually had the Oregon fight song playing Chestnut Checkers. Guys, Wow,

1982
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 7: I thought you were talking about him referencing the player

1983
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 7: who hit a hunter out of back, you know, on

1984
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 7: the sidelines, and you know, he kind of stood up

1985
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 7: for the player and said, you know, they all kind

1986
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 7: of came out.

1987
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 4: I well, I loved the player who got hit. It's like, no,

1988
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 4: that's football.

1989
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 5: More death threats, please?

1990
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 3: Can I defend that? The pass rush thing in that

1991
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 3: email for Matthew John has been great. He's been their

1992
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 3: only impactful front.

1993
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 4: He was the only front seven guy that showed up

1994
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 4: the other night.

1995
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would say that in this game against Miami,

1996
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 3: if you want to get on them for the run defense,

1997
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 3: totally valid. It's not their fault that they too was

1998
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:03,839
Speaker 3: getting the ball out in one point nine to eight seconds,

1999
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 3: Like you can't get home and the quarterback is getting

2000
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 3: the ball out that quickly, and he's getting it out

2001
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:10,759
Speaker 3: that quickly because they're eight yards off all the receivers

2002
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 3: the entire game.

2003
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 7: It's so two very specific offenses. I think that just

2004
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 7: limit how much you can really go and.

2005
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 5: Attack the quarterback. I think it's situation.

2006
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 3: I thought week one they really got after hurts.

2007
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 4: I thought they did a good job in Week one two.

2008
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, christ and Kolfax California. I personally may be on

2009
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: an island here, but I would be perfectly okay with

2010
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: the Patriots winning two games this year, both Jets games.

2011
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:33,679
Speaker 4: Yeah you are as.

2012
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 1: Long as Gonzo continues to show he's a building block

2013
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:40,759
Speaker 1: of the defense, wife Whitely map who keep getting playing

2014
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 1: time and getting better, and one of the young receivers

2015
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: shows he can be a good player. All of this

2016
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 1: take Caleb Caleb Williams with the first pick and hand

2017
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: the reins to Billy. Oh and build this team for

2018
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: a quick turnaround.

2019
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 4: Oh so we talking about but you gotta get them weapons,

2020
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 4: you know, Like I don't know, Like I don't know

2021
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 4: how all those things happen, and then they only win

2022
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 4: two games. But I mean the way he explained it,

2023
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 4: you could sort of say, I mean, okay, like every

2024
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:11,839
Speaker 4: young guy we have is a building block for the future,

2025
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 4: but somehow it's not translating to any success. I know

2026
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 4: he's a swee.

2027
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: David writes in I love Bill and have defended him

2028
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 1: for years, but it's crazy he hasn't gotten an elite

2029
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: number one receiver. I feel Mac would take a massive

2030
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 1: leap if he had one. I think about all the

2031
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 1: top quarterbacks and how they play without their elite pass catcher.

2032
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 1: I love Bill, and I wish there was a way

2033
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:35,799
Speaker 1: to keep him as a coach, but not as GM

2034
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: also proud member of the Booty Clap Bandits shout out

2035
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 1: to Mason on catch twenty two last week.

2036
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 2: What is this?

2037
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 1: Is this something that you guys? What's a clap band?

2038
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:46,560
Speaker 3: I don't know?

2039
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, you know?

2040
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 3: I honestly Alex's lap Now, these are the stupid. These

2041
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 3: are like the Patriots Twitter things that like Barth knows

2042
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 3: that it makes us a good duo because my head's

2043
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,640
Speaker 3: in the sand when it comes to these things. I

2044
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 3: don't know. But Booty clap Band, Booty was inactive a

2045
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 3: healthy scratch.

2046
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 4: I don't think he was a healthy scratch.

2047
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 1: I think.

2048
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 3: I don't know. He played pretty poorly.

2049
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:14,599
Speaker 6: You're doing a good job if you make the Booty clap.

2050
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:20,839
Speaker 5: Oh thanks making Booty go Matt again, enough about your weekend?

2051
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I would.

2052
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 4: I would disagree with you on that. I think he

2053
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 4: I don't think that they elevate a guy off the

2054
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 4: practice squad to not play if Booty was healthy, I

2055
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 4: don't think that much.

2056
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 3: I agree with you there, I suppose, but I don't

2057
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 3: think Booty's seen in the field regardless.

2058
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: Well that could be yeah, speing Fresno. I'll be schlepping

2059
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: across this great nation for work and scored a ticket

2060
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:44,639
Speaker 1: for this Sunday's Patriots Jets game. Well where my James

2061
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 1: White jersey. Madame Moran's judgment be damned Fred. While at

2062
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,679
Speaker 1: the game, what can I do to help the team?

2063
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 1: Originally I figured storming the field and maybe streaking could

2064
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 1: boost Max spirits, But now I'm figuring I should focus

2065
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: my efforts on relaying the pregame show keys to the

2066
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 1: game to the Patriot's sideline. Any messages you'd like me

2067
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: to give the a hole Jets fans. Zach Wilson looks

2068
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 1: like a garbage, pale kid. You can You can hold

2069
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,639
Speaker 1: up pictures of your mother to Zach Wilson. Maybe that'll

2070
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: distract him all.

2071
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 4: I think that would get him in a good movie. Yeah,

2072
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 4: I'll speaks.

2073
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 5: Mom would feel about that though. Yeah, But be careful now,

2074
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:22,559
Speaker 5: be careful about their kids with Parker.

2075
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 4: You know the whole thing about him playing every snap, everying.

2076
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 4: So I wouldn't be surprised if Booty's healthy scraped this week,

2077
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 4: because I think they had an extra guy last week

2078
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 4: just in case Parker wasn't healthy. Now they probably feel

2079
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 4: like he made it out, so maybe they don't need

2080
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 4: booty at all.

2081
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 3: It's either one of two things. Either Parker just wasn't

2082
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 3: good the other night, which is possible he wasn't healthy,

2083
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 3: or he wasn't healthy but he did not The film

2084
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 3: was not friendly to Devonte Parker.

2085
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:48,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think the film is overully friendly to

2086
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 4: any of their receivers not named Tomorrow Douglas.

2087
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 7: I kind of know what you're gonna say, Paul'm gonna say, anyway,

2088
01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 7: those can you just give riger a couple snaps to

2089
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:55,640
Speaker 7: see what he looks like? I mean, I know that

2090
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 7: there's probably not much there, but like you dressed him,

2091
01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 7: you'll elevate him. You only get a couple of elevations

2092
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 7: a year on these kind of guys. Like is it

2093
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 7: worth just give him a couple of snaps?

2094
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 4: You know what I think of him? I know, I

2095
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 4: know that's it.

2096
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 3: The Parker thing, though, like the interception was was a

2097
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 3: bad throw by Mac. I'm not trying to absolve Mac

2098
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 3: of any wrongdoing.

2099
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 4: But it was a really bad play by Parker.

2100
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 3: If you're DeVante Parker, you cannot get like bullied out

2101
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 3: of bounds like that by.

2102
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:24,640
Speaker 1: That, Like That was my question after the in the

2103
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 1: post game show, was like, why is he out of bounce?

2104
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:31,679
Speaker 4: And he got if we were if we were knocked

2105
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 4: into the cheerleaders, No, if we were.

2106
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 7: Du Dolphins and Fielder, I feel like I would be

2107
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 7: saying this is like textbook from Xavi and Howard, like

2108
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 7: you know, I mean, I know it can't happen to Parker,

2109
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,759
Speaker 7: but like he did everything perfect, including making the interception.

2110
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 7: But I mean, talk about pinning a guy to the

2111
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 7: sideline so he has nowhere to go and then being

2112
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 7: able to turn around and make the ball.

2113
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 3: It was just got at least can tend to test

2114
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 3: the catch point if your Parker, like even if he

2115
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 3: just even if you don't come up with it, like,

2116
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 3: at least make it a harder interception for Xavi and

2117
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 3: how I mean, he just didn't have any fight whatsoever

2118
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 3: on that pass. And Howard just completely and.

2119
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: Also looked on the play like Howard picked up the

2120
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:11,480
Speaker 1: ball faster than Parker, Like Parker.

2121
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 4: Turned because Parker was mixed up with the chili.

2122
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 1: Right, you know, like Howard had a beat on the

2123
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:19,120
Speaker 1: ball before Parker. Did you know it was just a

2124
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 1: it was a bad I thought it was a.

2125
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 4: Bad play, yeah, you know, situationally, a bad read, bad throw,

2126
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 4: bad route, bad you know that, bad reaction to the threat.

2127
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of blame to go around

2128
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 4: on that.

2129
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 1: Kevin and Dublin. I won't add to the various concerns

2130
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 1: voiced about the state of the patron's talent. However, I

2131
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 1: think there was a real leadership void in this team.

2132
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 1: I don't like how this team reacts to tough situations,

2133
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: and that extends to Bill. This team has a soft underbelly,

2134
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 1: and that could be the thing that kills their season

2135
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 1: in September. Now I'm wondering what his examples of that are,

2136
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:57,800
Speaker 1: because they fought both games, Like after digging a hole,

2137
01:32:57,920 --> 01:32:59,720
Speaker 1: they fought back, you know.

2138
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2139
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 1: So I don't know like where he's coming up with that.

2140
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 3: I just think like all this stuff like leadership and

2141
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 3: all this intangible stuff, like it's easy to be a

2142
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 3: great leader when you're winning, Like, I just I don't know.

2143
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's the problem. Like, I don't

2144
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 3: think the problem isn't that they don't have any raw

2145
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 3: rock guys in the locker room or anything like that.

2146
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 3: I think the problem is is that they don't have

2147
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 3: a whole lot of talented players on offense, so they're

2148
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 3: they're losing games. And I don't think that that's gonna

2149
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 3: magically change because like somebody gives a great halftime speech

2150
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 3: and they and they all come out and let's win

2151
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 3: one for the Gipper. Like, I don't think that that's

2152
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 3: gonna I.

2153
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,799
Speaker 7: Mean, I'd love to get a after Matthew Slater retires

2154
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:41,680
Speaker 7: to get a real answer. What was it like the

2155
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:45,520
Speaker 7: last few years when you guys went from constantly AFC championships,

2156
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 7: super Bowls to being, you know, a team that they

2157
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 7: are a team that has to fight every week, and

2158
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,639
Speaker 7: every week everyone goes to Matthew Slater for the answers,

2159
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:54,719
Speaker 7: and you know, I mean, he's he's obviously a wonderful

2160
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 7: human being and you know, says things that are you know, inspirational,

2161
01:33:58,000 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 7: but it's just got to be such a challenge for him.

2162
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 7: Like you said, it's easy to be a leader when

2163
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 7: you're winning. But I imagine that he's probably getting, you know,

2164
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 7: as sick of as we are of kind of these

2165
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 7: recurring postgame narratives of what it could have should have

2166
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:12,600
Speaker 7: you shot yourself in the foot? What do you have

2167
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 7: to do this week to get back on track. Those

2168
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 7: things like I've heard that one hundred different times from Slater.

2169
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 7: Now I imagine he's done with it too.

2170
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 1: Dave and bangor Maine. I really hope you guys read

2171
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 1: this because I want answers.

2172
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 4: First of all, I wish I had one.

2173
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,560
Speaker 1: First of all, I think mac he says Max. I

2174
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 1: think Max Jones is really good, and I think he

2175
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 1: can get better. His deep balls need work, but his

2176
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: ability to read the field and put the ball where

2177
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 1: he wants it is really good. The receivers just can't catch.

2178
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 1: I think Boorne was four for ten, Juju might as

2179
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 1: well not be there, and Pop Douglas and Booty were

2180
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:48,680
Speaker 1: bench for making rookie mistakes. That's another thing. Does Bill

2181
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: really think it's a good teaching technique to bench a

2182
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:53,599
Speaker 1: player after a mistake. We don't have the offensive talent

2183
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 1: to be doing that. I think our best bet to

2184
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 1: salvage the season would be to trade Born and a

2185
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:01,639
Speaker 1: high draft pick for someone like Judy your Wattle. Okay,

2186
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:02,600
Speaker 1: uh I.

2187
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 4: Born in a high draft pick for Wattle? Yeah yeah,

2188
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:07,720
Speaker 4: I think Miami being yeah right.

2189
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 1: I love Born, but he can't run the roots and

2190
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 1: he can't catch. We need a star, can't be competitive

2191
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 1: with the talent we currently But I'm a broken record.

2192
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 1: It's funny how the dumb fans knew last year was

2193
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 1: going to be a disaster, and the same dumb fans

2194
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 1: were skeptical about not having any offensive talent. It looks

2195
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 1: like the dumb fans were smarter than the smartest coach

2196
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: in the game. Maybe we can draft Shador standards next year.

2197
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:33,080
Speaker 1: He's the next Mahomes mark my words.

2198
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 3: I do like Shuter Standers.

2199
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 4: How about if they do that?

2200
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 5: Should should that?

2201
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 3: How you says Travis Henry coming with him?

2202
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 4: But what if they did that? You know, you're get

2203
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 4: in a situation where you could draft him.

2204
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 7: I you know what I kind of come through with

2205
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 7: Mac is like I just I'm fine with him, and

2206
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 7: I don't I don't really I'm not really interested. I'm

2207
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 7: not really interested in like swapping him out for a

2208
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 7: veteran journeyman and like like Mac is like fine, And

2209
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:07,599
Speaker 7: unless we can clearly upgrade him in the draft because

2210
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 7: he needs to be then great. But otherwise I would

2211
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 7: just say, let's stick with Mac, Let's continue to throw

2212
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 7: it at the wall in the draft and take you know,

2213
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:17,519
Speaker 7: mid day, mid mid round picks, but I'm not interested anymore,

2214
01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 7: and like, hey, let's get rid of Mac and go

2215
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 7: for Andy Dalton for a year or Jamis Winston for

2216
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 7: a year.

2217
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 4: Of suggesting that, no veteran that I can think of now,

2218
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 4: I don't know, there's none that I would be interested

2219
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 4: in that would represent a big enough upgrade over Mac

2220
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 4: yep to make it worth it for me. Like Kirk

2221
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:38,800
Speaker 4: Cousins is going to be a free agent at the

2222
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 4: I think he's better than Mac, but I don't think

2223
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:43,839
Speaker 4: enough better to make you a championship contender.

2224
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 3: The only guy that they I would really be interested

2225
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 3: to know, like if Baltimore was actually fielding trade calls

2226
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 3: for Lamar Jackson or if that was all just postering.

2227
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 3: That's different than negotiation, because that that was the one

2228
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 3: thing that I could have seen that.

2229
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 4: Nacan Rodgers, you know, like those kinds of things.

2230
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 7: Unless that's where I'm dunk obviously, that's where the interested

2231
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 7: in Jim.

2232
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 4: Are better, but not enough that it's gonna lift Those

2233
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 4: are guys that aren't lifting their offensive players around them either.

2234
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 3: I'm also just not I'm not sure that if they're

2235
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:20,600
Speaker 3: in a position to go back in the draft at quarterback,

2236
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:23,640
Speaker 3: that this is the regime that I want drafting and

2237
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:26,800
Speaker 3: developing said quarterback after what happened with this one. Well,

2238
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:28,720
Speaker 3: like I just it's if they're going to be in

2239
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 3: a position where it's Caleb Williams and Drake May and

2240
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 3: like we start talking about the real quarterbacks in this class,

2241
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 3: like the top of the class. Then is this I mean,

2242
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 3: I mean you're you're probably talking about it for a

2243
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 3: new head coach.

2244
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 7: How many regimes get that chance to have, you know,

2245
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 7: multiple high first round quarterback picks. Oh that for a

2246
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 7: high round, first round quarterback didn't work out, Let's go

2247
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:50,560
Speaker 7: get another. Like I I can't do the math in

2248
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 7: my head, but I can't imagine that there are any

2249
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 7: any regimes that get that chance to take multiple first

2250
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,599
Speaker 7: round quarterbacks and oh that one didn't.

2251
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 4: Let's do it every three years.

2252
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 7: But it's always, but there are always turning it over

2253
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 7: to new people, you know, new coaches, and you know

2254
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 7: aparentess that's going to happen soon.

2255
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 4: I mean at some point, whether you whether you pull

2256
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 4: the plug on Belichick or not, I mean, at some

2257
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 4: point he's seventy one, it's not gonna be here forever.

2258
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:12,760
Speaker 3: Well, that's kind of why I just don't have like

2259
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 3: if they go to a different quarterback who isn't Mac.

2260
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:19,760
Speaker 3: That that I'm not saying Kirk Cousins, Jimmy Garoppolo, but

2261
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,200
Speaker 3: like making a trade for Aaron Rodgers even though that

2262
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 3: ship is sailed, Like, that's the type of move that

2263
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 3: you would have to make for a seventeen two year old.

2264
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 5: That's a bill that's a that's a bill move.

2265
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:30,200
Speaker 7: And I think you know, Aaron Rodgers is no question, Like,

2266
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:33,640
Speaker 7: no question, Aaron Rodgers raises the level enough. But I

2267
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 7: just outside of a high first round pick right now,

2268
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 7: I think you just kind of stick with Mac and

2269
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,720
Speaker 7: you try to build the rest of the team around him,

2270
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 7: and then you know, by the time he gets to

2271
01:38:42,479 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 7: the end fifth year, I think, you know, if it's

2272
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 7: not working, then you know, maybe then you you you

2273
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 7: cross that bridge. But I'm I don't want to say

2274
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 7: I'm good with Mac, but I think he's.

2275
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 1: Well, let's say the pay five. Let's say the Patriots

2276
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:55,560
Speaker 1: finished six and eleven, Okay, so that puts him, you know,

2277
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 1: bottom half of the draft. You know, are I mean

2278
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 1: the top half of it? Yeah? Are you in the

2279
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 1: quarterback business.

2280
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:03,559
Speaker 5: I mean I think you have to be You're always

2281
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:04,799
Speaker 5: in the quarterback business.

2282
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 4: But but at that level, that's the whole I need

2283
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 4: to I mean, like I think Williams and May are

2284
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:13,360
Speaker 4: going to be top three, right, I mean, it's way

2285
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 4: too early to be looking at the projections. And I

2286
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 4: don't but those guys.

2287
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 7: But if it's a striking this so and you get

2288
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:21,240
Speaker 7: and you can get Harrison and put would you rather

2289
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,759
Speaker 7: have Harrison with mac or would you rather have Caleb

2290
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:24,759
Speaker 7: Williams and nobody?

2291
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 4: You know, Williams and nobody.

2292
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 3: So there's you know, it's a choice.

2293
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:30,679
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that's that's the choice.

2294
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 4: Because I'm not I'm not big on this is all

2295
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 4: about all the weapons for this offense. I think that's

2296
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:38,120
Speaker 4: a part of it. But I don't think it's all

2297
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 4: about that.

2298
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 5: No, that's fair.

2299
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:43,679
Speaker 1: Christian has A from North Carolina has an interesting point,

2300
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 1: and there's something to it.

2301
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 4: Uh.

2302
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 1: There's a scenario that Douglas, you know, getting benched, Uh,

2303
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 1: after getting bench doesn't use his best trait now, which

2304
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:55,600
Speaker 1: is being electric after the catch, because he's scared to

2305
01:39:55,640 --> 01:40:00,639
Speaker 1: fumble and be benched. So remember Stephen Ridley, I really

2306
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:02,680
Speaker 1: think that because he got benched for a while for

2307
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:05,560
Speaker 1: fumbling and he had a couple you know. But I

2308
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 1: think he changed his style so much after that because

2309
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 1: he didn't want to like and I think it affected

2310
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:12,559
Speaker 1: his running ability well, you know.

2311
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 4: I mean I really do.

2312
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:15,600
Speaker 13: No.

2313
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 1: I just think that style wise, I heard you, I

2314
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 1: heard I got you to laugh though, That's that's what

2315
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 1: I heard you.

2316
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 4: That's what I'm here for.

2317
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:26,720
Speaker 1: But but I think it it altered his running a

2318
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:30,560
Speaker 1: bit of style enough where it might well it might effect.

2319
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 7: Go to Damian Harris just a few years ago when

2320
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 7: he's walking around the halls like holding a football like

2321
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:37,680
Speaker 7: it's the program and then and then he folmost the

2322
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 7: next game again, like you know, I just it's a

2323
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 7: fine line with some players and getting in their own

2324
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 7: head and and you know, I just that's one of

2325
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 7: the things about coaching that always, you know, intrigues me

2326
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 7: is knowing what buttons to push. But some guys you

2327
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 7: can't push the wrong button with them, because then they

2328
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:52,800
Speaker 7: get way too much in their own head and then

2329
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:53,640
Speaker 7: it's snowballs on.

2330
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:56,479
Speaker 3: I mean, you walked into that locker room after the

2331
01:40:56,520 --> 01:40:59,959
Speaker 3: game on Sunday night, and Mac, I don't.

2332
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 4: Know if Oh Martinez had a run journal of what

2333
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 4: Mac was doing. Yeah, I missed those tweets, so I

2334
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:08,960
Speaker 4: don't know. It wasn't a tweet, it was an article.

2335
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, Mac.

2336
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:12,920
Speaker 3: I think Mac and Pop Douglas's lockers are right next

2337
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 3: to each other, and then Booty's locker is is right

2338
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 3: there too, all in the receivers and uh, Mac and

2339
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 3: Pop Douglas or sitting in their lockers with their heads

2340
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 3: down with towels over their heads, in full uniform. Still

2341
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:34,000
Speaker 3: by the time the media got in got in the

2342
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 3: locker room, which is you know, twenty minutes or so after,

2343
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:39,680
Speaker 3: I mean, everybody else is like showering, like you know,

2344
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 3: pads are off all that, and the quarterback and Pop

2345
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 3: is sitting in his in his locker, and I'm thinking

2346
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 3: to myself, like quarterback, I get because they lost a

2347
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 3: game on a fourth down like twenty minutes ago. He

2348
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:53,160
Speaker 3: fumbled in like the first quarter, like you know, like

2349
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 3: you would think that you would wait to get out

2350
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 3: of his equipment, and I I that was that. It

2351
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:01,760
Speaker 3: was like, I don't need a running diary of the

2352
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 3: whole thing, but you know, it was some.

2353
01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people might say, oh, so what when guys

2354
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 1: do that and they know that the media is in there,

2355
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 1: there's something to it, and it may be, but they

2356
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:19,040
Speaker 1: know they're okay with being seen.

2357
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 4: That way, is my point, right, you know, the one

2358
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:26,120
Speaker 4: who cares the tomo this guy, like I just I'm

2359
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 4: not here for that kind of stuff, like the fact

2360
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 4: that the fact that there was a running journal on

2361
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 4: it to me, But.

2362
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 1: You're right, but you're right, like like it's not good.

2363
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:36,920
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, Like you know, like no

2364
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 1: one else cares, like you have to make a show

2365
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:40,080
Speaker 1: that you care.

2366
01:42:40,240 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna be fair about it. To Mario Douglas

2367
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:46,599
Speaker 4: and I read all the quotes right away, stood answered

2368
01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:50,240
Speaker 4: all the questions that to me is a strong positive

2369
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:52,680
Speaker 4: for a young player. And I think back, and I

2370
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 4: think my buddy Mike Gi already wrote about this to

2371
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 4: Cyrus Jones, who was a young player who fumbled up punt,

2372
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:01,439
Speaker 4: I want to say, in a Monday night game, and

2373
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:04,679
Speaker 4: he couldn't have gotten out of here fast enough, didn't

2374
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:08,599
Speaker 4: even come close, didn't even contemplate standing tall and taking

2375
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:12,559
Speaker 4: the heat. And I do think rather than like sort

2376
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:15,840
Speaker 4: of the dog and pony show of I'm gonna sit

2377
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,360
Speaker 4: in my locker. You know, I'll go back to you

2378
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 4: a guy, So I'm gonna take this off the Patriots,

2379
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 4: so you might take it a little bit more seriously.

2380
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:24,600
Speaker 4: Your guy that you hate as much as anybody in

2381
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 4: the league right now, Steph Diggs, you're the one who

2382
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:29,960
Speaker 4: was so affected when you lost the AFC Championship game.

2383
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,639
Speaker 4: You're gonna stay out on the field just long enough

2384
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 4: for all the NFL cameras to get you. Wow, that's

2385
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:40,160
Speaker 4: Steph Diggs, man, It really really cares like that to me,

2386
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:43,360
Speaker 4: is as worthless as worthless can be. And I think

2387
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 4: he's a terrific player. I don't hate him the way

2388
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 4: you do, But I don't. I'm not here for that

2389
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:49,400
Speaker 4: kind of history. Onis.

2390
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 1: But here's the think Paul, now, knowing what we know

2391
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 1: now about Steph Diggs, it meant something good or bad,

2392
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 1: Like this stuff is not good, you know, like he

2393
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 1: does when things go bad. With what we've learned from

2394
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:08,840
Speaker 1: Steph Diggs is he doesn't handle it well, you know,

2395
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:11,439
Speaker 1: when he doesn't get the ball, when when he doesn't

2396
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:12,680
Speaker 1: think the offense.

2397
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 4: You know, like when they lose or when they look

2398
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 4: upset when they lose.

2399
01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 1: But but that but it affects the team the way

2400
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 1: he the way he by, I would hope affects the team.

2401
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:26,439
Speaker 4: I would hope it's it's not good. Yeah, I don't know.

2402
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 3: I would also I understand where Paul is coming from

2403
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 3: with the journal and that's ridiculous. But and in the

2404
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:35,360
Speaker 3: sitting in the lot, but I was the general mood,

2405
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:38,120
Speaker 3: you know that that was everybody.

2406
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 4: Like a playoffs, especially especially I lost the playoff.

2407
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 3: Game, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

2408
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 4: The defense.

2409
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:48,160
Speaker 3: I think the defense has more confidence in general, and

2410
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 3: they walk around with a little bit more swagger in general.

2411
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:54,519
Speaker 3: And I really thought post game too, just get on

2412
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:57,920
Speaker 3: the on the topic. Like Matthew Judon's little opening statement

2413
01:44:58,000 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 3: that he made was I.

2414
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:00,320
Speaker 4: Didn't like that either.

2415
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 3: Why didn't you like that?

2416
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:03,680
Speaker 4: We're not a bad team. I'm not taking any question.

2417
01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 4: Don't tell me what questions Okay, the bad team thing.

2418
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:08,080
Speaker 4: I can tell me what questions I can ask and

2419
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 4: I can't, but I'm not taking I didn't questions on that.

2420
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:13,240
Speaker 3: I didn't really that's not really what he said. But

2421
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:14,120
Speaker 3: I don't really go.

2422
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:16,400
Speaker 4: About I don't want to hear any questions about us

2423
01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:18,120
Speaker 4: being a bad team, is what he said.

2424
01:45:18,200 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he meant like I don't want like, don't

2425
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:22,720
Speaker 3: be asking me questions where you're just trashing all over us,

2426
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 3: like you know you want to ask your questions, but

2427
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:26,439
Speaker 3: don't like you know, we're not going to tell you.

2428
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:31,639
Speaker 4: Nobody does that, right, certainly not here in New York

2429
01:45:31,720 --> 01:45:32,639
Speaker 4: they do anything.

2430
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:36,479
Speaker 3: I thought that the bad team thing and the questions and.

2431
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:38,519
Speaker 4: Something different.

2432
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought what he what he said about, uh,

2433
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 3: the lack of energy that they come out with early

2434
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 3: in games and how you know, he said that we people,

2435
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 3: the opponents are too good, the schemes are too good,

2436
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 3: the players are too good. That if you get yourself

2437
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 3: into these holes, like you're not going to win very

2438
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:57,160
Speaker 3: many football games in this league playing this way.

2439
01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 4: And you know I I I thought that that, Yeah,

2440
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 4: I have no problem with that.

2441
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 3: I thought that he showed, you know, he's not for

2442
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 3: whatever reason, they don't vote him a team captain, but

2443
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:09,599
Speaker 3: it's very very clear that he is other than mac

2444
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:12,000
Speaker 3: Matthew Judon is the face of this team right now.

2445
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:15,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And I thought that, you know, him standing

2446
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:17,840
Speaker 3: up there and at least addressing the elephant in the

2447
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:20,080
Speaker 3: room right off the bat, without even being prompted by

2448
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 3: questions and things like that was what leaders do. Like

2449
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:25,719
Speaker 3: people talk about no leadership and I thought he showed

2450
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 3: great leaders.

2451
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:27,400
Speaker 5: This isn't making me feel great.

2452
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 7: I didn't really hear all this stuff about the locker

2453
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 7: room being like that and then Mac being kind of

2454
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:31,759
Speaker 7: dower today.

2455
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:33,439
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2456
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 5: This isn't given me a great vibe right now.

2457
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,800
Speaker 1: Well, if they come out and kick ass, then I'll

2458
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:41,599
Speaker 1: be okay. Yeah, Kyle and Pembroke. I have two predictions

2459
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:44,520
Speaker 1: and how the Jets game will go. My fan optimistic

2460
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:47,120
Speaker 1: prediction is that we win forty two to three, shutting

2461
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:49,640
Speaker 1: them down on defense and dominating them at offense. My

2462
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 1: realistic prediction is that we win thirteen to six in

2463
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:56,439
Speaker 1: a defensive snorefest like the second game last year, with

2464
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 1: the Jets only scoring two field goals. How do you

2465
01:46:58,920 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 1: guys think it'll go.

2466
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 4: The second one?

2467
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:01,760
Speaker 3: Me too?

2468
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 7: I got three more likely the second one just yet,

2469
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:08,160
Speaker 7: My fan one's like, you know, forty three great? My

2470
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,920
Speaker 7: prediction apparently on Patriots Unfiltered on TV, which I did

2471
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:13,719
Speaker 7: on Monday when I was sleep deprived, and Paul correctly

2472
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 7: instantly called me out for like predicting a.

2473
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:18,240
Speaker 5: Twenty seven to twenty four game and it almost fells out.

2474
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:21,080
Speaker 4: What and the I'm like, like a lot of defensive

2475
01:47:21,120 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 4: scores in that one. I see this more like seventeen thirteen.

2476
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:27,320
Speaker 5: But then, but then my real PLT is probably more

2477
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:27,519
Speaker 5: like that.

2478
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike in Connecticut, I really hope the fans he

2479
01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 1: puts that in quotes, stop crying over all the negativity

2480
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:37,840
Speaker 1: when there is really little to be positive about. This

2481
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 1: team hasn't looked great for multiple years now. It's not

2482
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 1: like complaints aren't warranted. We all want to see them succeed,

2483
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:46,400
Speaker 1: and we are all critical because we love this team

2484
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:49,920
Speaker 1: and are sick of seeing lackluster performances and losses. I

2485
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:52,679
Speaker 1: don't know, however, anyone could be a fan and simply

2486
01:47:52,760 --> 01:47:55,479
Speaker 1: ignore the issues we keep seeing. It's a trend at

2487
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:55,920
Speaker 1: this point.

2488
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:58,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, I think we make it fun, though, don't

2489
01:47:58,320 --> 01:47:59,560
Speaker 5: make it fun. We have some fun with it.

2490
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 4: I think we try to, and I think that from

2491
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 4: the fans perspective, And this is why, like this is

2492
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:08,599
Speaker 4: probably a deeper thing, doesn't need to be deep doped.

2493
01:48:09,160 --> 01:48:12,160
Speaker 4: But like, I think there are two different kinds of fans,

2494
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:14,800
Speaker 4: and I think some fans just want to hear that

2495
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:17,439
Speaker 4: everything is great all the time. I'm not mocking anybody

2496
01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:19,840
Speaker 4: here for a rare time that I'm not being snarky ball.

2497
01:48:21,080 --> 01:48:22,920
Speaker 4: Some fans just want to hear about all the good

2498
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:24,760
Speaker 4: things and all the potential and all the hope and

2499
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:28,880
Speaker 4: all the positive right, and other fans want to hear

2500
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:31,400
Speaker 4: it straight. They want to hear exactly what you think

2501
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:34,920
Speaker 4: and they go from there. Now, neither one is right

2502
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:38,519
Speaker 4: or wrong. But from my perspective as a fan, okay,

2503
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 4: not as covering the Patriots, because this is it's different

2504
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 4: for us. It's a job and it's different. But when

2505
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:47,560
Speaker 4: I was a fan, I never wanted to hear that

2506
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 4: everything was great because you know why, because when I

2507
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:53,240
Speaker 4: was hearing about you know, and I think back to

2508
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:55,719
Speaker 4: being a kid, like I think it was nineteen eighty

2509
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:59,800
Speaker 4: was one of those years that like everything was great

2510
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:02,680
Speaker 4: all and I was a kid, and you know, this

2511
01:49:02,920 --> 01:49:05,759
Speaker 4: is awesome. They're gonna be stacked and they're gonna be loaded.

2512
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:08,320
Speaker 4: Then the season starts and you're like losing these games

2513
01:49:08,360 --> 01:49:12,200
Speaker 4: and you're like devastated, like you crushed, Like I thought

2514
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:14,759
Speaker 4: they were gonna be awesome and they go two and fourteen,

2515
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:17,720
Speaker 4: Like how did I read all of this stuff all

2516
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:20,040
Speaker 4: during training camp, about all of these things that were great,

2517
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 4: you know, and you come to find out it was

2518
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:28,040
Speaker 4: just nonsense. Like that to me is devastating as a

2519
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,920
Speaker 4: fan when I think I'm gonna be great and I'm not.

2520
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:34,120
Speaker 4: Whereas if I you know, if I'm reading about like

2521
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 4: last year, I thought the media as a whole did

2522
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:39,839
Speaker 4: a really good job of telling you there's some problems

2523
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 4: on offense. This doesn't look right. So when the season

2524
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 4: starts and it doesn't look right, you're not like hip

2525
01:49:44,680 --> 01:49:46,720
Speaker 4: with a truck. It didn't look right. And I've been

2526
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 4: reading for six weeks it doesn't look right. I feel

2527
01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:51,040
Speaker 4: much better then. I'm not happy about it, but I

2528
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:53,000
Speaker 4: feel better that I would have if I was told

2529
01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:54,160
Speaker 4: that everything was gonna be great.

2530
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:57,000
Speaker 5: You guys all have like real journalism backgrounds.

2531
01:49:57,000 --> 01:49:57,720
Speaker 4: Do you think that that way?

2532
01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:59,680
Speaker 7: I mean, but well, yeah you do. But I mean,

2533
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:01,120
Speaker 7: you know, you work for a newspaper. I mean, do

2534
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 7: you think that that feeds into how you cover it?

2535
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:05,320
Speaker 7: Because I never did. And I always feel like when

2536
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:08,759
Speaker 7: I started blogging about the team, that I approached covering

2537
01:50:08,840 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 7: the sports as I did being.

2538
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 5: On a team. And you know, you don't really sit

2539
01:50:13,240 --> 01:50:14,880
Speaker 5: around on a team and be like, aren't we awesome

2540
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:16,960
Speaker 5: right now? Like being on a team is about what

2541
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:18,160
Speaker 5: do we have to get better at? What are we

2542
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:19,360
Speaker 5: working on? What are our weaknesses?

2543
01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:19,800
Speaker 1: Who's hurt?

2544
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:20,439
Speaker 4: How do we like?

2545
01:50:20,520 --> 01:50:22,600
Speaker 5: Those are the things that I always love discussing.

2546
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:24,519
Speaker 7: And I mean, I guess in some ways you could

2547
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 7: say it's negative because even when the team's playing bad good.

2548
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 5: You're like, all right, how do we get better?

2549
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:29,720
Speaker 4: What do we you know?

2550
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 5: And so that I don't know, it's just I think

2551
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:32,840
Speaker 5: we all kind of come at it from a different way.

2552
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:35,680
Speaker 1: Really, you know, you really don't take time to sit

2553
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:38,760
Speaker 1: back and congratulate yourself now when you're on it, moving on, right,

2554
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:40,960
Speaker 1: Like you're always talking about what are the issues and

2555
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:41,519
Speaker 1: how do we you know?

2556
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:41,680
Speaker 14: Know?

2557
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:44,600
Speaker 4: Those are the top two things in Colorado. And I

2558
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 4: think it's a little bit more prevalent now because of

2559
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:48,720
Speaker 4: the social media. I think there is so much of

2560
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 4: that instant it's changed. You get that instant connection to

2561
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,479
Speaker 4: your readers and your listeners and whatnot, and they don't

2562
01:50:55,479 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 4: want to hear it. A lot of them don't want

2563
01:50:57,120 --> 01:50:59,080
Speaker 4: to hear the bad stuff. So I do think that

2564
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 4: impact what you stress. Now we work for pages dot Com,

2565
01:51:03,200 --> 01:51:05,880
Speaker 4: So it's kind of inherent that we're looking for things

2566
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:07,840
Speaker 4: that are a little bit better, right, you know, to

2567
01:51:07,960 --> 01:51:11,439
Speaker 4: talk about We're not whyan, you know, but like it's

2568
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:13,560
Speaker 4: what you infante. Yeah, I'm going to emphasize like that

2569
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 4: was like the greatest creative special teams player I've seen,

2570
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 4: and I'm going to talk about that, not because like

2571
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:21,479
Speaker 4: I don't believe it, because I do believe it, but

2572
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 4: you know, rather than saying, oh, geez, you know, they

2573
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:25,960
Speaker 4: really can't do this that and this one, you know,

2574
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:28,599
Speaker 4: maybe you find something that's a little bit more positive. Yeah,

2575
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:30,560
Speaker 4: but the rest of the media does that too, and

2576
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 4: I don't understand why, but that's.

2577
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:33,960
Speaker 5: Usually how you are on a team too, And there

2578
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:34,280
Speaker 5: it is.

2579
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:36,760
Speaker 7: But that's like how many times did you have a

2580
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:39,320
Speaker 7: coach stand up and go, we got no weapons, we

2581
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:41,160
Speaker 7: can't we you know, we drafted bad.

2582
01:51:41,240 --> 01:51:43,920
Speaker 4: You know, like you don't do that j Mora does, right,

2583
01:51:44,120 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 4: we can't do Diddley Pooh on offense.

2584
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:49,599
Speaker 1: Lee and fall River. I'm so glad to hear Evan

2585
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:52,720
Speaker 1: talking about fullbacks. Who needs the element of surprise where

2586
01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:55,920
Speaker 1: you just win the matchup. They can know what play

2587
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:58,320
Speaker 1: you're running, but it's still hard to stop a bulldozer

2588
01:51:58,360 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 1: with a head start.

2589
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:01,160
Speaker 2: We talked about that.

2590
01:52:03,439 --> 01:52:05,880
Speaker 7: Didn't really help help the Raiders last week against Buffalo,

2591
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:08,280
Speaker 7: But remember Ron.

2592
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:11,799
Speaker 1: And Conway, New Hampshire. Here we are with the Jets.

2593
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 1: No Rogers, but an awesome d line and Sauces a

2594
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:18,920
Speaker 1: great cornerback. Withstanding what has been observed so far this season,

2595
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:21,719
Speaker 1: mistakes and the lack of running support is a huge problem.

2596
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:24,040
Speaker 1: I know the old line has had issues staying healthy,

2597
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:27,320
Speaker 1: which magnifies the turnovers a bad play calling. I read

2598
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:30,559
Speaker 1: Max quotes yesterday where he said I think we're twenty

2599
01:52:30,680 --> 01:52:34,160
Speaker 1: yards away from being two to zero. I'm not sure

2600
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:37,200
Speaker 1: why he might feel that way. Judging from what I've seen,

2601
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:41,120
Speaker 1: they aren't good enough offensively yet to cut consistently or

2602
01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:44,639
Speaker 1: constantly start out games playing with a double digit deficit.

2603
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 3: What's going on?

2604
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:47,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot of yelling in the other room. Now

2605
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:50,639
Speaker 1: the Jets now, the Jets of nowhere near the talent

2606
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 1: level of either Philly in Dallas. I'm not sure about that.

2607
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:55,360
Speaker 4: I strongly disagree with Yeah.

2608
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:58,680
Speaker 1: But my question for the panel today is a do

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01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:01,160
Speaker 1: you think Pop Douglas will start? If so, how long

2610
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:03,360
Speaker 1: will he be in at wide receiver or will he

2611
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:06,479
Speaker 1: be stuck at returning kicks as punishment? And B do

2612
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:08,800
Speaker 1: you guys think this will be a game that could

2613
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 1: jump start us with a win or will it crush

2614
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,240
Speaker 1: us with a loss if we win. I don't think

2615
01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:15,719
Speaker 1: winning would make enough of a difference for our confidence

2616
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:17,639
Speaker 1: without Rogers at quarterback for the Jets.

2617
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:20,680
Speaker 3: Right, I disagree on that last point. It's all it

2618
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:21,680
Speaker 3: always helps to win.

2619
01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:23,559
Speaker 4: It depends on how it happens.

2620
01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:24,840
Speaker 3: I well, maybe that's true.

2621
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:28,600
Speaker 4: But if Zach escape, if you escape, someone said, like

2622
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:30,960
Speaker 4: my fans side says like forty two to three. I

2623
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:32,720
Speaker 4: think they get a tremendous amount of confidence out of

2624
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:34,479
Speaker 4: something like if they if they march it up and

2625
01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:36,360
Speaker 4: down the field against that defense.

2626
01:53:36,439 --> 01:53:38,760
Speaker 5: Well take like take last year's game for example, Like

2627
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:39,599
Speaker 5: how much that's.

2628
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 4: Not going to get the Marcus Like, Marcus, great job.

2629
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:44,840
Speaker 4: Either one of the two wins against the Jets. If

2630
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:47,519
Speaker 4: they have a repeat of it, that's the way they win.

2631
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:50,000
Speaker 7: I think you got to play well, and yeah, you

2632
01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:52,320
Speaker 7: have to execute and do things you haven't done and

2633
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:54,320
Speaker 7: answer some of those questions that even asked for two

2634
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:56,840
Speaker 7: weeks about like hey, you got out there. You scored

2635
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:58,880
Speaker 7: a touchdown in your opening drive, like you know, great finish,

2636
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 7: finished it off, you kneeled on you got the ball

2637
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:02,719
Speaker 7: back with a three point lead.

2638
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 5: And you kneeled on it.

2639
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 4: You know, those kind of things. And I do think

2640
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:06,800
Speaker 4: Tomorrio Douglas will be back. I don't think I don't

2641
01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:08,679
Speaker 4: start or whatever, but I think.

2642
01:54:10,120 --> 01:54:12,680
Speaker 3: I guess Sarah Brant there again tomorrow. Douglas has, like

2643
01:54:13,240 --> 01:54:15,120
Speaker 3: you know, week one, I think he played like forty

2644
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:17,599
Speaker 3: percent of the snaps and that seems about fair.

2645
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:18,160
Speaker 4: Back to normal.

2646
01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:22,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I just I do like I'm more as

2647
01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:23,920
Speaker 3: you I'll know, I'm more of an ex's and o's

2648
01:54:23,960 --> 01:54:26,720
Speaker 3: guy at the end of the day than than a

2649
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:30,880
Speaker 3: like blaming individual players for things. And I just I'll

2650
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 3: continue to say, like, I don't think that the run

2651
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:37,200
Speaker 3: game issues are strictly on the offensive line. I really don't.

2652
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:41,200
Speaker 3: I And I think O'Brien said, you get I think

2653
01:54:41,400 --> 01:54:44,840
Speaker 3: O'Brien said it to us yesterday that that Fangio did

2654
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:47,840
Speaker 3: some stuff up front in the game on Sunday night

2655
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:50,240
Speaker 3: that they weren't expecting and they didn't prepare well for it.

2656
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:52,760
Speaker 3: And on top of that, Yeah, I think that some

2657
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:55,520
Speaker 3: of the stylistic changes that they've made to the running

2658
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:57,920
Speaker 3: game have not worked for two years. Like I say

2659
01:54:57,960 --> 01:54:59,920
Speaker 3: what you want about Matt Patricia, I know that everybody

2660
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:02,160
Speaker 3: just chalks that up to him being a bozo. But

2661
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:04,360
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, they tried to do

2662
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:05,960
Speaker 3: this last year with the run game and it didn't

2663
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:08,360
Speaker 3: work either. Like they got rid of the full back,

2664
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:10,680
Speaker 3: they tried to be more zone heavy, they tried to

2665
01:55:10,760 --> 01:55:13,320
Speaker 3: run a lot of more one back stuff, and it's

2666
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 3: also didn't work.

2667
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 4: And people talk a lot about I mean, because Stevenson

2668
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:18,720
Speaker 4: ran for a thousand yards in average five yards to carry.

2669
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:21,200
Speaker 4: I mean on paper, that looks really good. They weren't

2670
01:55:21,200 --> 01:55:23,960
Speaker 4: a great rushing team last year. You know, in league

2671
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:26,560
Speaker 4: wide average per carry as a team was was bottom

2672
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 4: teen was great and Stevenson maximum. I think he led

2673
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:33,520
Speaker 4: the league in yards after contact last year, and that

2674
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:36,720
Speaker 4: number is has got smaller this year. Like, I think,

2675
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:39,760
Speaker 4: there's a lot of factors involved. One of them, to

2676
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:42,840
Speaker 4: Evan's point, it's not just you know everybody else.

2677
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:44,920
Speaker 3: I think they'll scheme it up differently in the run game.

2678
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:48,520
Speaker 3: I trust he came out and said that he knows

2679
01:55:49,200 --> 01:55:51,960
Speaker 3: that there's issues with how they've been coaching the run game,

2680
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:53,040
Speaker 3: and I think they'll do something.

2681
01:55:53,320 --> 01:55:55,560
Speaker 1: Corey dllon what do you think was the best season

2682
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:56,640
Speaker 1: they had running the ball?

2683
01:55:57,880 --> 01:56:00,400
Speaker 7: I mean people might say blonde, Yeah, a bunch of

2684
01:56:01,120 --> 01:56:04,280
Speaker 7: touchdown you know runs, and then went off on the

2685
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:06,840
Speaker 7: Colts a couple of times. But I mean they kind

2686
01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:09,200
Speaker 7: of just made it work with with somebody in James White,

2687
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:10,480
Speaker 7: you know, and when they got when they had to

2688
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:13,400
Speaker 7: pass the ball, they had James White, and twenty sixteen

2689
01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:16,240
Speaker 7: he became, you know, really effective for four seasons.

2690
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 3: Down the stretch. They were really good in eighteen, really

2691
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:22,840
Speaker 3: good Tony yeah, Rex, James dev One Yeah.

2692
01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:25,880
Speaker 4: I mean they certainly were very productive of those last

2693
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:28,280
Speaker 4: two games against the Bills and the Jets right in

2694
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:29,600
Speaker 4: the playoffs and then the playoffs.

2695
01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:33,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like the identity of this team has hasn't

2696
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:37,360
Speaker 1: been running for a long time, even when they were good. No,

2697
01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, even Corey Dillon, I mean he was, unbelieve

2698
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:43,120
Speaker 1: had like sixteen hundred yards that year. Most of them

2699
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:45,680
Speaker 1: came in like the fourth quarter, they get lead, they put.

2700
01:56:45,560 --> 01:56:48,520
Speaker 4: Him was great that year. He was that was blunt.

2701
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:51,040
Speaker 4: Blunt put up a lot of plastic yards. Corey Dillon

2702
01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:51,600
Speaker 4: was the offense.

2703
01:56:51,640 --> 01:56:54,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're right though, but it like makes me one

2704
01:56:54,120 --> 01:56:55,680
Speaker 7: of them. Why do you draft Sony Michelle in the

2705
01:56:55,720 --> 01:56:56,240
Speaker 7: first round?

2706
01:56:56,360 --> 01:57:00,480
Speaker 3: You know, like the draft because Dion Lewis left, and

2707
01:57:00,600 --> 01:57:03,200
Speaker 3: I think they they Lewis got arrested, they felt like

2708
01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:06,480
Speaker 3: they needed like a you know, Dean Lewis led the

2709
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:08,680
Speaker 3: team in attempts the year before and touches.

2710
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:10,400
Speaker 5: I think the years I never felt like they used

2711
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:13,880
Speaker 5: him maximized him. I mean we saw some glimpses in

2712
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:15,959
Speaker 5: like twenty fifteen, blown out of a cl.

2713
01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:19,000
Speaker 7: He was never the same again in twenty fifteen against

2714
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:21,560
Speaker 7: the Cowboys that one running had where he liked seven

2715
01:57:21,680 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 7: tackles to get in.

2716
01:57:22,720 --> 01:57:24,960
Speaker 4: I was on that early, you know, like from short

2717
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:28,400
Speaker 4: stuff like stuff on OTAs. I was like, they get

2718
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 4: something with this. Me and Andy were all in on

2719
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:34,200
Speaker 4: Deon Lewis. Lewis he was like a futures contract guy.

2720
01:57:34,360 --> 01:57:35,360
Speaker 4: No one really knew much.

2721
01:57:35,240 --> 01:57:37,680
Speaker 5: About him, and I was like injuries issues, like this

2722
01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 5: guy is going to be something.

2723
01:57:39,880 --> 01:57:40,120
Speaker 2: Yep.

2724
01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:42,440
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, he blew out his A c O.

2725
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:44,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he had that big play against the Cowboys,

2726
01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:45,960
Speaker 5: he had a kick return. I think it's the Texas

2727
01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:47,400
Speaker 5: in a stretch.

2728
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:49,200
Speaker 1: There where it was like what do we got here?

2729
01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:49,560
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2730
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:50,879
Speaker 1: I mean this is amazing.

2731
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:53,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was beginning of a flat team right where

2732
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:56,200
Speaker 3: it was like he was catching passes, running the ball

2733
01:57:56,240 --> 01:57:58,560
Speaker 3: like he was doing every kid. Guy, it's like Marshall fulku.

2734
01:57:58,720 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was unbelievable.

2735
01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:01,160
Speaker 4: Then what are you get arrested for?

2736
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:05,120
Speaker 1: He was in He was in a and he wouldn't leave.

2737
01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:07,440
Speaker 1: He was getting belligerent, so they arrested him.

2738
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah he's fine, he's just having a good time.

2739
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:13,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, friend, all right, that's gonna be it for

2740
01:58:13,720 --> 01:58:16,760
Speaker 1: this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. Stay tuned for John Rook

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