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Speaker 2: Sunday Hay with.

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 3: Let me give you a couple of history recommendations. I've

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Speaker 3: been down this weekend reading Rick Atkinson.

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Speaker 1: He's got a.

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Speaker 3: World War II trilogy. The one that I'm reading right

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Speaker 3: now is about the war in North Africa, which I

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Speaker 3: knew very little about during World War Two. But given

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Speaker 3: that it is Washington's birthday. Rick Atkinson's Revolutionary War trilogy,

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Speaker 3: He's got two of the three done. If you are

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Speaker 3: looking for a deep, engrossing, incredibly well done, not political,

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Speaker 3: just right up of the Revolutionary War. It is so

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Speaker 3: well done. I give it my highest recommendation. And again

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Speaker 3: you can just get totally lost in it.

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Speaker 1: I'm almost done with your Killer Angels, by the way.

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Speaker 1: It's one of I read a few books at a

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Speaker 1: time on Kindle. I'm almost finished with. It's fantastic. That's

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Speaker 1: a very solid wreck.

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Speaker 3: I think nineteen seventy six won the Pulitzer Prize. It's great.

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Speaker 3: Let's see Ray in New Orleans. Let's celebrate tomorrow is

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Speaker 3: Marty Gras. F we'll close him out, let him sing

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Speaker 3: the praises of Fat Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, I'll talk about President's Day and how it's

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Speaker 4: the goofy holiday and stuff. It's also down here. It's

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Speaker 4: in New Orleans. It's Mardi Gras, so right now it's Monday.

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Speaker 4: It's actually Luneigra for Fat Monday. But we're having a

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Speaker 4: great old time down here. So we've got a lot

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Speaker 4: of people at work and a lot of people not

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Speaker 4: at work because we're celebrating Marti Gras. So have Marti

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Speaker 4: Gras and we'll have a great President's Day.

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Speaker 3: We will have a good Marti Gras tomorrow with the

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Speaker 3: baby in the cake, you know, the baby in the

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Speaker 3: cake story Buck, it's fun.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the King King Cake, whatever is that? That's right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Sunday hang with Clay and Bucks. Some of you get

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Speaker 1: to celebrate the President's kind of a weird holiday, is

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Speaker 1: it when you think about it, Well, what exactly is

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Speaker 1: the holiday?

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Speaker 3: It's just Washington's birthday, and then they expanded it to

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Speaker 3: Lincoln and now it's just a weird construct.

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Speaker 1: There's like expanded a Lincoln. But it's like we're doing

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Speaker 1: a dual birthday. So what kind of what kind of

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Speaker 1: nonsense is this? This is a little a little bit

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Speaker 1: of it's a weird Let's be honest. Let's be honest everybody.

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Speaker 1: What is President's Day really for getting a great deal

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Speaker 1: on a mattress? Uh, maybe a lawnmower, perhaps some outdoor furniture, Like,

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Speaker 1: that's really what President's Day is all about. It's a

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Speaker 1: time for businesses to establish a post Christmas sale when

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Speaker 1: they can move inventory. Am I right? Or am I right?

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Speaker 3: I mean that certainly is the thing you would see

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Speaker 3: back in the day. I don't know that they advertised

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Speaker 3: that as much. Back in the day when newspapers existed,

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Speaker 3: they were always mattress cells.

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Speaker 1: That was the big President's Day. I don't know that

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Speaker 3: But by the way, since it is President's Day, and

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Speaker 3: I know we're going to get to Obama, but did

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Speaker 3: you see I was actually stunned by something that I

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Speaker 3: successful they have been in defining modern day the ideas

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Speaker 3: of the presidency. Do you see the rankings for people

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Speaker 3: today of who the best presidents are?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, okay, I thought you were off roading as

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Speaker 1: going to be talking about some football thing. No, this

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Speaker 1: is actually about presidents have President's Day. I mean, some

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Speaker 1: of this is not going to surprise you. According to Americans,

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Speaker 1: this is from you. Gov.

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Speaker 3: Abraham Lincoln is seen as the greatest president of all time.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would kind of NodD

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Speaker 1: It's got to be G Dubbs. I'm sorry he's in third.

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Speaker 1: This one really surprised me. John F. Kennedy is second.

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Speaker 3: Abraham Lincoln won.

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Speaker 1: Right, It's a different deal, and the whole country was

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Speaker 1: potentially going to cease to exist either either way. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying, I'm saying a little bit more significant

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Speaker 3: Well Jefferson is at five fd oh, he's at five, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: John Adams seven, Ronald Reagan eight, Madison nine, and then

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Speaker 1: Get Auty. What list is this?

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Speaker 5: Is this?

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Speaker 1: Communist dot com?

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Speaker 3: What is this lest how Americans rate presidents? This one

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Speaker 3: blew my mind. Jimmy Carter plus six.

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Speaker 1: The communists, this is all crash that the bots from

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Speaker 3: And I don't think a lot of people think about this,

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Speaker 3: because when you and I were in school, Andrew Jackson

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Speaker 3: why this stuff matters, is because these fights over history

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Speaker 3: with the history that we accept, and so that's why

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Speaker 1: And you noted Nixon. I know, we're all supposed to

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Speaker 1: hate Nixon so much. The Democrat Party in this country

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Speaker 1: hated Nixon because he was a staunch anti communist and

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Speaker 1: up the Venona Project, which was the top secret military

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Speaker 1: program about the penetrations of the United States government all Democrats,

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Speaker 1: was declassified in the eighties, I think it was, and

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Speaker 1: the Communist menace was far more. Kids don't even learn

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Speaker 1: But clay my point on all this is, yeah, of

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Speaker 1: course they want to find presidents of the past and

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Speaker 1: elevate them that are meant to push certain ideas and

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Speaker 1: actually think that Carter probably did less damage actively. Barack

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Speaker 1: Obama is a signature thing. Well, you know, we should

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Speaker 3: Get into Let me get hit you with one more

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Speaker 3: thing to because I think you made a good point

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Speaker 3: But remember they were going to replace Alexander Hamilton on

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Speaker 3: This is two hundred years after he died in the

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Speaker 3: the twenty first century. Meanwhile, Alexander Hamilton, who was obviously,

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Speaker 1: That's because a lot of Americans, unfortunately, when they think

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Speaker 3: So that's why Hamilton gets to stay on the ten

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Speaker 3: dollars bill. I mean, it is really crazy, Okay. On Obama,

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Speaker 3: he did a sit down interview. He said a lot

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Speaker 1: This is the most this is the most quintessential Obama

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Speaker 1: thing in existence, which is to say something that is

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Speaker 1: that I in fact is self refuting in the statement itself.

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Speaker 1: He was sitting down with some left wing podcast guy,

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Speaker 1: and here we go, Obama. This is cut nine about

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Speaker 1: how we the right are angry and mean and divisive,

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Speaker 1: unlike them, the left. They them who are warm, cuddly,

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Speaker 1: fantastic and inclusive. Play nine.

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Speaker 6: The other side does the mean, angry, chemic gaugaury, you know,

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Speaker 6: exclusive us them, you know, divisive politics. That's theirs. That's

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Speaker 6: their home court, our court. Is coming together. Our court

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Speaker 6: is Look, you know a great example. Wasn't political Bad

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Speaker 6: Bunnies halftime show. You're going to say that, Well, it was.

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Speaker 6: It resonated. It was smart because it wasn't preaching, it

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Speaker 6: was showing. It was demonstrating and displaying. This is what

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Speaker 1: Clay, He's wrong on all accounts, But I also love

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Speaker 1: the unlike those other jerks were really nice and inclusive.

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Speaker 1: We're the inclusive side while being exclusive of them. Barack

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Speaker 1: Obama's tenure was, I think, more than anything else, characterized

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Speaker 1: by bringing back race riots in the twenty first century

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Speaker 1: BLM one point zero. It brought people together while they

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Speaker 1: were burning down neighborhoods of anti white rage. That's not good.

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Speaker 3: I wonder how plugged in Obama actually is on very

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Speaker 1: How much is.

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Speaker 3: Him knowingly lying versus just not really paying that much

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Speaker 3: the reason why I ask that is remember Kamala tried

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Speaker 1: Because there's so many I've played nine, but there's so

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have a harder job because sometimes I think

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Speaker 6: Democrats, saying why aren't you being as being tough and

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, when I was president of the United.

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Speaker 2: I could have exercised that prerogative.

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Speaker 7: But that is contrary to how I think our democracy

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Speaker 2: Shouldn't get discouraged.

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Speaker 7: By the fact that we have a tougher job we

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Speaker 1: Clay Obama explicitly threatened to cut off education funds. Do

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Speaker 1: I think it was North Carolina over the bathroom gender

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Speaker 3: we hit a one twenty five year low in murders.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Donald Trump deserves any credit for that

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Speaker 3: to hear somebody say, does Trump deserve any credit at all?

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Speaker 3: Do you think the southern border being the most secure

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Speaker 3: that is in any way connected to us setting one

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Speaker 1: Sundays with Clay and Buss Mitchell has an awful take.

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Speaker 5: I think just listening to Tuesday's podcast on iHeart and

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Speaker 5: to summarize your show, sounds like that Clay has shaved

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Speaker 5: his beard become a swiftie after publishing a book titled Balls,

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Speaker 5: which I balled and read. Sounds like he is lost

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Speaker 5: to us, but you have got to pull his man cord.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a lot of shots there. Both barrels, Both

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Speaker 1: I gotta say. I think Clay's mustache is fabulous. I

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Speaker 1: I think that he should stay. I think we stay

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Speaker 3: Am allowed to shave the mustache when it gets to

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Speaker 1: VIP email from Dan, He writes, remember what happened when

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Speaker 1: Kem Kamala ran in a real presidential nomination contest? Question mark? Yes,

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Speaker 1: it was sad exclamation point. And I think Clay is

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Speaker 1: forgetting just how sad it was. You know, he's getting

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Speaker 1: a little Clay's getting a little big for his breitches.

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Speaker 1: He suckered me in to my emotional bet on Will

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Speaker 1: Kamala run again, which was that was a kind of

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Speaker 1: a crazy take. Fine, but Kamala being the nominee. Mark

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Speaker 1: this one down, guys. Gavin Newsom's going to be the nominee.

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is not going to be the nominee. Clay's

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Speaker 1: going to be wrong on this one, and somehow, whenever

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Speaker 1: he's wrong, I will say this. He's the betting guys,

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Speaker 1: So this makes sense because he's wrong a fair amount.

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Speaker 1: But whatever he's wrong, there's no steak at steak. Whenever

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Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom is a huge favorite right now to be

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Speaker 3: big underdog. So I'm saying on Tuesday night, I was

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Speaker 1: Is going to be the nominee. The nice thing about

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Speaker 1: being crazy is that you're not necessarily alone. Richard, This

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Speaker 1: is also in the Kamala Looney bin with you play It. Oh,

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Speaker 8: I live in Tucson, Arizona, and I have a question

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Speaker 8: I know crossing that border is a big deal. They

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Speaker 1: Anyway, it's a good question. I've never crossed. I don't

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Speaker 1: As you that that was.

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Speaker 3: My thought, But I've never I mean, in this individual

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Speaker 1: You know that there are places I've been there where

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Speaker 1: So now you're going to call the federal Good luck

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Speaker 1: with that one. You know, they got other things to do. Talkbacks. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: see Sarah from Milwaukee, a brilliant lady, play.

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Speaker 9: It play I adore you.

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Speaker 7: But I am with buck one on this one. There

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Speaker 7: is no way that Kamala is going to win the

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Speaker 1: Sarah sounds just like in astute and well read impressioned lady.

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Speaker 3: If this were a few months after the twenty twenty election,

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Speaker 3: I could have gotten on that? It would have been crazy.

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Speaker 3: Here's Richard now in Columbia, South Carolina and a stute

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Speaker 9: Let's listen, Clay, this is Richard in South Carolina, and

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Speaker 9: is one hundred percent accurate. The primary is.

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Speaker 10: Going to be about angry women and racism, and the

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Speaker 9: Newsom has no shot.

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