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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I'm welcome for stuff I never told you production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: And welcome. So today we are backtracking a bit because

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Speaker 1: I feel like we bypass Halloween, which is one of

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Speaker 1: our favorite holidays. I mean, the entire crew of Smintya

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Speaker 1: I think really loves Halloween. I know Christina. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: she would tell me otherwise. It's a pretty big fan,

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Speaker 1: as well as Joey. I don't know that Maya. We

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Speaker 1: need to ask her about that. But we're all pretty

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Speaker 1: big fans of Halloween. And I feel like we just

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Speaker 1: kind of slip by with doing very minimal, which is

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Speaker 1: not like us. And you know, you might not know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know because people don't keep up with this.

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Speaker 1: We do this accidentally a lot. We love doing horror

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Speaker 1: movies and classics as a way of both escaping and

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Speaker 1: especially for this traumatic week. Yeah, it's an election time

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Speaker 1: and it's very traumatizing. Like I think we've all lost

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Speaker 1: sleep and are losing sleep and again extending this horror

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Speaker 1: time for us because I feel like we missed a lot.

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Speaker 1: And then if you haven't heard again, this is where

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Speaker 1: I was like, we sometimes do this accidentally, oftentimes we

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Speaker 1: do this accidentally, but this like, we hit the anniversary

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Speaker 1: of for the Blair Witch Project. It is the twenty

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Speaker 1: fifth anniversary for this film. Everybody feels old, right, anybody

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Speaker 1: who's watched this, our millennial crew, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: What's so funny? I just saw a techtok video of

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Speaker 1: someone asking can someone who was there for the original

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Speaker 1: premiere of Scream tell us what it's like? And everybody

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Speaker 1: just like the comments are like, how dare you? Kind

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Speaker 1: of like how you had mentioned you would love to

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Speaker 1: be born and been to the screen of first, like

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Speaker 1: I as now people are ye, and now people are

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Speaker 1: asking about our experiences with that, and I'm like, hmmm,

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Speaker 1: that's rue.

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Speaker 2: Rood, I would love to talk about mikes.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you were you were young though, How old

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Speaker 2: I was quite young. I actually was forbidden from watching

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Speaker 2: the play Witch Project, but I my like rebellion as

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Speaker 2: a child was I would watch horror movies. So I

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Speaker 2: did watch it. Uh, and my parents always caught me

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Speaker 2: because my imagination goes wild and I was terrified. I

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Speaker 2: watched the Player Witch Projects?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I was pretty I was pretty young for it.

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Speaker 1: So this came out in nineteen ninety nine. I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure I watched it. I don't know. I didn't go

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Speaker 1: thing that we'd often go to my crew of people.

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Speaker 1: We would go and hang out parking lots, I don't

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Speaker 1: know and talk to people.

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Speaker 2: It was weird.

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Speaker 1: We were odd teenagers, this is what I've discovered. But

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Speaker 1: but we did watch it on DVD at friends' houses,

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Speaker 1: and we definitely did this. I can't remember being scared,

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Speaker 1: like it was a phenomenon. So with all that say,

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Speaker 1: I will say it was a phenomenon for this reason,

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Speaker 1: the first being a found footage So though it wasn't

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Speaker 1: the first found footage horror movie, the first was actually

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Speaker 1: kind of given to the nineteen eighty movie Cannibal Holocaust,

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Speaker 1: which is an Italian horror movie which apparently they try

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Speaker 1: to sue the filmmakers of the blair Witch projects, saying

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Speaker 1: that they were copying them, and then they came back,

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Speaker 1: We're like, just kidding. Go watch our movie. If you

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Speaker 1: liked blair Witch, you'll also like Cannibal Holocaust. So have

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Speaker 2: I've watched. I can't wait to talk about this because

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Speaker 2: I have plumbed the depths of found footage. I know

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Speaker 2: it's not for everyone, but I have seen what there

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Speaker 2: is to be seen. I have that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, but then there's even another movie that stated even

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Speaker 1: further back in nineteen sixty one called The Connection, which

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Speaker 2: I have not seen that in it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think assignment. There's also nineteen eighty mockumentary from

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Speaker 1: even though it wasn't necessarily the first, this movie put

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Speaker 1: Like I watched, you know, the the Asylum of Gungenham,

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Speaker 1: The blair Witch Project was written and directed by Daniel

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Speaker 1: Myrick and Eduardo Sanchez. The two came up with the

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Speaker 1: the actual project in filming, creating a thirty five page

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Speaker 1: And damn it made some money though it exceeded the

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Speaker 1: worldwide and it's still on top one hundred lists as

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Speaker 1: some of the best horror movies to date twenty five

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, if anyone anyone in the industry

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Speaker 2: because you can make a lot of money when you're beginning.

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Speaker 2: But found footage, like paranormal activity costs like hardly anything

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Speaker 2: as I'm sure we'll get into later, there's been a

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Speaker 1: Right, and I honestly, I don't know if I've ever

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Speaker 2: A lot of actors who do found footage because like

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Speaker 1: That realm vhs that like that is I didn't people

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that isn't Atlanta based. It was. I

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Speaker 2: think it still is Atlanta based movie. It might be

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Speaker 2: like that, but I think it is like they get

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Speaker 2: you write a story, you go write a story, you

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Speaker 2: go write a story. I don't know if it's a competition,

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Speaker 1: Oh, for some reason I saw that. I was like

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Speaker 1: find all these different movies. Yes, which is a brilliant

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Speaker 2: the Book of Shadows was like a witchcraft thing, but

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Speaker 1: There's a lot. Okay, so I know nothing. I just

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Speaker 1: one dimensional characters that still existed in this movie. Of course,

437
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: this could be the conversation that it was a really

438
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: short film, It was a really short film with I

439
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: think they they filmed eighty five hours and cut it

440
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: down to like what an hour and a half. Yeah, yeah,

441
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: so like it was. It was like a lot of

442
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: stuff that they did and then cutting it, editing it down.

443
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: They're like, Okay, we just want the actions and the

444
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,239
Speaker 1: creepy moments, not the backstory, which would be like that

445
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: could have been what they were trying to do with

446
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,239
Speaker 1: the sequels just didn't do well. Is that what they

447
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 1: were trying to do with the sequels.

448
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 2: Maybe they heard there's a new one coming out in

449
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: that I.

450
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: Think I have heard that too.

451
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why the actors, I mean, for many reasons

452
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 2: they should get paid. But they're like, hey, right.

453
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean they could go back and make an extended

454
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: cut today, like pretend like it was there with this,

455
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: because they don't need more technology. Honestly, I know, if

456
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: they wanted to make a movie, take the original and

457
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: pretend like there's an extended cut that's missing.

458
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: Clearly a bunch of us think it already anyway.

459
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: So here's for a little bit from the McGill Daily

460
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: dot com. They were writing about this and they say

461
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: pray for the Blair Witch project. However, does not discount

462
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: the trope of portraying women as the deranged antagonist in horror,

463
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: which needs to be addressed in order to continue enjoying

464
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: the genre. The Blair Witch could be observed as being

465
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: a villain without motive. No background is given to the

466
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: reason behind her evil, Nor is Ellie Keedward's character that

467
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: developed beyond witchcraft, which is the witch which I don't

468
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: remember her name being mentioned, but I think I just

469
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: bypassed that they do mention her though, right, she's the

470
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: one that's the floating one, I think, so, yeah, Okay,

471
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: so it goes on. This could be attributed to shallow characterization,

472
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: wherein she lacks a complex and multifaceted personality. Moreover, it

473
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: perpetuates the association of women to witchcraft, wherein they were

474
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: believed to be quote more prone to diabolical possession and

475
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: essentially imperfect following the Black Death. So this was a

476
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: whole article in which they were talking about witches in

477
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: general and how they are seen as devil worshiping child killers,

478
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: no reason behind other than power and greed and a

479
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: lust for the devil, which yeah, I honestly, because of

480
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: the way it ended, seemed less about the Witch and

481
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: more about the ghost of Rust and par like that,

482
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: because there's so many stories that attributed like so many things.

483
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: Of course, I don't know. Was it implied that Russe

484
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: and Parr was possessed by the witch to kill these children?

485
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: I think that's one interpretation. I always interpreted it as me,

486
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: there's just something There's been a lot of bad things

487
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: that happened in these woods, and people were blaming the witch. Okay,

488
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 2: and she may or may not have had something to

489
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: do with it, but people were I think blaming the

490
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: witch the witch.

491
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: Again because I was like, the way the two died

492
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: seemingly seems like a right, Yeah, the Russ par story

493
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: more so than the Witch story. But I all have

494
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: that to say is yeah, that is one of the

495
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: things that they continued with. But again I would sit

496
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: to argue, and you know, you know us, we love

497
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: talking about how infamously bad the takes on women villains

498
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: are in horror movies or why it seems like obviously

499
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: is a sexist reason for it, but like the fact

500
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: that it again was a ninety minute movie and they

501
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: just wanted to base it on them and their experience

502
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: without bringing in a secondary story. Too much of a

503
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: secondary story, Like literally the first fifteen minutes was in

504
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: the town, yeah, and the rest was them in the woods.

505
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: So I think that had more to do with how

506
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: they wanted to tell the story more so than characterizing

507
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: the villain. I don't know, that's just an opinion, though.

508
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: I think so. I think there's certainly this argument to

509
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: be made. But I would also say we could add

510
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: more to it in that it was a legend, Like

511
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: you said, a lot of these small towns ares included

512
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: half those legends, and we don't hear beyond that, right,

513
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: and that is all you know. And they were going

514
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: into the world. That was their whole point of this

515
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: documentary was they were going to find out, like is

516
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: there something there? And I even saw a lot of

517
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 2: recent articles about like the Blair Witch was a bell

518
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: Weather on technology and the dangers of technology, but them

519
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: being so and especially Heather, but them being so confident

520
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 2: and not respecting even the woods necessarily that I feel

521
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: like the when you see them deteriorate while they're lost,

522
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: that's to me the true horror of it, right, And

523
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 2: we do know through so many horror movies the like

524
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: negativity that makes everything worse if there is a witch

525
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: or whatever. But to me, she feels like almost they

526
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: they heard this legend and made it real. If that makes.

527
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: Sense to themselves, yeah, absolutely, and I'm going with that.

528
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: So there's also the idea that the main character, who

529
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: was a woman being in charge also that was a

530
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: great step up. They're like, yeah, she's being assertive and

531
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: taking charge and blah blah blah. Her mishandling of the

532
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: situation ended up being their demise. So its a woman's

533
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: faults because she was not willing to like go over ambitions,

534
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: like she would not stop filming. They were really irritated

535
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: by that, but all the other things. So here's a

536
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: bit from a paper written by Dinica MacDonald. Believe they

537
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: wrote this for a school in Ireland. They had a

538
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: lot of thoughts about this type of conversation for women.

539
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: It was called for like Americana, which was interesting. But

540
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: McDonald wrote, both the witch and the protagonists in the

541
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: Blair Witch Project overstepped their boundaries in a world that

542
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: does not accept such trespasses. The Witch by the very

543
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,239
Speaker 1: fact that she has dared to be a witch and

544
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: in so doing reject norms of society, and the protagonists

545
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: because she investigates this transgression. Do not go downstairs, do

546
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: not go into the woods, do not talk to strangers,

547
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: and do not open the door when you are alone

548
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: are reoccurring warnings in the horror genre. Yet these warnings

549
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: also bleed into real psychological and sociological lessons. Do not trespass,

550
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: cross gender boundaries, or straightfor or straight from social norms.

551
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: Carving curiosity has become a horror film tradition. We learn, adopt,

552
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: and agree that curiosity is a dangerous notion. It is

553
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: a quality that needs to be controlled for the alternative,

554
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: lack of control is dangerous and undesirable. So she's going

555
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: all over.

556
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: This like no.

557
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: This is why she is a downfall, and so is

558
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: the witch. But they continue. In the Blair Witch Project,

559
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: it is Heather Dona Hue's curiosity to learn which leads

560
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: her to the woods outside of Burkettsville. Notably, when all

561
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: of these women endeavor to see, they are punished for

562
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: their trespasses into temptation. Once you've seen, you must die

563
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: a gruesome death, or so is the underlying message of

564
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: the contemporary horror film The Forbidden. Once seen, cannot be unseen.

565
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: Seeing learning and knowledge are a masculine prerogative. They belong

566
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: to the realm of public space, which men occupy and

567
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: are free to move within. Women who violates this rule

568
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 1: are dangerous and threatening.

569
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: We're still talking about this today about ambitious women and

570
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: how we punish them, and there's I mean, certainly she

571
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: she did have this passion, she really wanted to get

572
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: this project done. But I find that so often where

573
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: if it's the if it was reversed and it was

574
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: a man doing it, we'd be like he was just

575
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: trying to get the truth. But with her, we're like,

576
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: she should have known better. She didn't know anything. And

577
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: there's a lot of instances in the movie where she

578
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: was she was trying to get them out, and clearly

579
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: the Wood's not going to help them out. She's like said,

580
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: she is making these logical decisions. Yes, it was her project.

581
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: Yes she did not want to leave, and they really

582
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: wanted to. I'm not saying she doesn't have some share

583
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: of the blame, but it is that punishing of Oh,

584
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: she's this ambitious woman and look what it got her.

585
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's saying like curious woman who stepped

586
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: out of her role. So therefore she deserved to die.

587
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: Anyone who supports her deserves to die with her. It's

588
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: that conversation, and it's an interesting conversation. We will hold

589
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: I will hold her the fact, however, that a mike

590
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: was really the problem. Why would you throw away the

591
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: map and then also try to guesslight them into thinking

592
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: that it just that was one of them, like instead

593
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: of stepping up immediately, he waited for a couple of

594
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: days for them to like come to a point. I'm

595
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: almost like ending everything, you know. They were like no,

596
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: like yelling at each other, and he's like, all right, fine,

597
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: I did it, and then saying, she laugh, it didn't

598
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: matter anyway. We couldn't use this anyway. It wasn't helping

599
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: us anyway, blaming her mm hmm, saying that she had

600
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: the wrong thing, essentially same thing with the compass, and

601
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: there's a back and forth about the compass, and they're like,

602
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: are you reading this right? Are you doing this right?

603
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: The entire time? Yes, yes, And.

604
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: It's made clear whether you want to believe it or not.

605
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: I choose to believe it. It's made clear she actually

606
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: is a knowledgeable hiker. She says, she goes hiking. That

607
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: was her everybody, like, yes, I believe that she knew.

608
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: I think the Woods were messing with them. Yeah, but

609
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: they they Yeah, they just kept pushing back and doubting her.

610
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 2: And to an extent, it's fair if the Woods are Yeah,

611
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: to an extent it is, but especially Mike, and I

612
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: think it's also interesting going back to the technology bit,

613
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: because he was a new member. They'd never worked with him, right,

614
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: they just met him. Yeah, Josh and Heather had worked

615
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: together before. And I think that kind of like when

616
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: you get a crew together and you don't know about that,

617
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 2: like new member and how they're going to turn out.

618
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: I think that was one of the pieces of what

619
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: just broke apart, right, the whole thing. But I agree,

620
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: I think I think it was Mike, I believe.

621
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: My fault, but also the weak one of this bunch.

622
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: I would say, this is Josh, which is why he

623
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: was targeted first, because he was crashing out pretty hard

624
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: at the very beginning, freaking out, like doubling over into

625
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: a beetle position, like he was also the one that

626
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: said that the first night, she was saying that she

627
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: sleeps like a rock and doesn't hear anything, and he

628
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: hurt everything and he was speaking out that first night.

629
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

630
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: He was.

631
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: Certainly he was, like he was an interesting mix of

632
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: the calming presence but the one that was really panicking.

633
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: If that makes he lost it completely, he lost it.

634
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: He lost it completely, So got in his head for sure.

635
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. That's a pretty old movie, twenty five

636
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: years older. It can rent the car, but people are

637
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: still talking about it. I will say the McDonald paper

638
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: or research paper that I think it was from twenty ten,

639
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: so it's still ten years older, eleven years older than

640
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: the movie, I believe, but fascinating in itself because they

641
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: did they wanted to look at this aspect of like, Okay,

642
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: this is a this is a film about how women

643
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: shouldn't be leading mm hmm in itself in this bigger conversation.

644
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: And I could see that. But again it's also like

645
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: I really loved that that we didn't have to see nudity,

646
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: We didn't see you have to see her brusts. We

647
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: didn't have to have a moment of like her being

648
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: very sexualized or any of those things. Like she just was.

649
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: There was no question about boyfriend, husband, anything that she

650
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: just moved on. Interestingly, though, Donna Hue. Heather Donna Hue

651
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Speaker 1: did comment about these arguments, saying this, I've heard people

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Speaker 1: say that The Blair Witch Project is a feminist movie

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Speaker 1: because there's a woman in charge, and I've heard it

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Speaker 1: called a completely anti feminist movie because this woman screws

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Speaker 1: everything up. Who cares? Really, it's just a movie, which

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Speaker 1: I'm sure like a lot of people would like it

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Speaker 1: to be just a movie. But we don't have we

658
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Speaker 1: can't have anything nice here. We know this. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is one of those that actually

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Speaker 1: stands for and like it does. It's maybe I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm being too broad in this. I don't feel

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Speaker 1: like this movie was necessarily a stance on like equality

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Speaker 1: or gender differences. As much as they wanted to tell

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Speaker 1: you a scary story and make money.

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Speaker 2: I think so too. I don't think there was any

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Speaker 2: Now there might have been, but I don't feel like

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Speaker 2: it was trying to say anything particular about women being

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Speaker 2: in charge. Perhaps the issue is that when we see it,

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Speaker 2: it's rare and that's what we.

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Speaker 1: Think, and yeah, it may. I also absolutely have to

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Speaker 1: do with also people who came back and saying this

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Speaker 1: is why women shouldn't be in charge when the movie

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Speaker 1: in itself is like, no, the forces of evil were

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Speaker 1: against them, they were never gonna leave. It didn't matter

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Speaker 1: who it was leading.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Because again I think if if the man had

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Speaker 2: been playing Heather's character, we wouldn't necessarily be maybe we'd

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Speaker 2: be talking about like, oh, his genius, but instead we're

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Speaker 2: talking about, oh, she didn't know what she was doing,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Right, So it's not necessarily the movie makers as much

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Speaker 1: as the or the creators or writers, as much as

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Speaker 1: what society wants to dictate on it. Because again, yeah,

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Speaker 1: even if it was dudes, because we have seen many

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Speaker 1: you found footage where it was meant the Grave encounters,

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Speaker 1: we have the melee coming in. He's the one, but

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Speaker 1: it kind of similar to where they blame him because

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Speaker 1: they can't get reception, you know, in that same well,

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Speaker 1: but we don't see it as much as a conversation

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Speaker 1: about how men can't lead. But he's the one. He

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Speaker 1: does end up in that such a way station.

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Speaker 2: And I would argue what he did was worse.

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Speaker 1: I remember correctly.

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Speaker 2: I would argue, like I suppose you could get into

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Speaker 2: the nature of who believes what, but bringing in like

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Speaker 2: a fake medium and all this stuff in a place

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Speaker 2: that could potentially be dangerous, right. And you know that's

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Speaker 2: another thing about the which I suppose is in the beginning,

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Speaker 2: when they are interviewing all of those people, they do

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Speaker 2: interview that one woman who you can tell is like

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Speaker 2: the talk of the town, right, who has all of

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Speaker 2: this knowledge about the witch, and it is kind of weird,

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Speaker 2: and they dismiss her. But I do feel at the

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Speaker 2: heart of it there was a genuine curiosity, whereas grave encounters,

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Speaker 2: it was much more like craven.

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Speaker 1: Money making. Yeah, which is I mean, we've seen that

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Speaker 1: in actual ghost hunting shows, reality shows where they do

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Speaker 1: this and everybody's like, this is fake, this is not

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Speaker 1: all these things. And I used to love those. I

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Speaker 1: loved those gust Center shows a little too much, weirdly,

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Speaker 1: but because I wanted to believe and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: see these things, and I also love that aspect of

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Speaker 1: being scared if they're real. I went on a couple

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Speaker 1: of ghost stores, went in roswell, y'all, so we had

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Speaker 1: a moment where the flashlights and everything went out. Ooh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was freaking really good. But anyway, but all this

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Speaker 1: to say this movie definitely opened a door for new

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Speaker 1: ways of creating movies at that time. Unfortunately, we kind

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Speaker 1: of already referenced this in any you can get into

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Speaker 1: a little more, I think you know a little more

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Speaker 1: about this movies like like a reality TV. Much like

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Speaker 1: reality TV, it leads very little for the actors in

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Speaker 1: this movie. It seems to leave them behind as in

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Speaker 1: like monetarily they sign a contract not realizing how big

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Speaker 1: this movie is. Because again independent movies like this, you

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Speaker 1: don't know their found footage, so not a lot goes

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Speaker 1: into it, like all of the CGI or any of

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Speaker 1: that is not supposed to be anyway, but I'm sure

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Speaker 1: there's some, but like the intention is bringing in unknown

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Speaker 1: actors for all of the paranormal activity that the first

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Speaker 1: ones are like unknown actors who just come in do

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Speaker 1: this found footage types of movie and then never get paid.

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Speaker 1: They never get really royalties and not really under contract

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Speaker 1: like that they do kind of again, reality TV is

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Speaker 1: very similar to this, where the production or the studio

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Speaker 1: owns all the rise and nothing is given to the actors.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I think especially because this happened in the

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Speaker 2: early early days, right, they really didn't get anything, and

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Speaker 2: you can find a lot of interviews they've done recently,

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Speaker 2: the actors from this about it. I have worked on

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Speaker 2: a found footage movie. I hope it never comes out.

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Speaker 1: Why does it tell me?

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Speaker 2: It's really fun? I had a great time. But I mean, essentially,

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Speaker 2: you're like running the sound in the camera you're in

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Speaker 2: the woods or wherever you're coming up. You're improving a

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Speaker 2: lot of it. You just have to hit certain more beats. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you know bigger there are found footage now that

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Speaker 2: it's a part genre. This is not always the case,

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Speaker 2: but it is a cheap way to enter the industry.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of people who are starting out do it,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of actors who are starting out will

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Speaker 2: sign on to it because and I've said this before

753
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: wildly enough, a lot of times you don't get paid

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00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: for this at all. What you're hoping for is to

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00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: get just credit, just like a shot you can show

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Speaker 2: to other people like I can act. And so it

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Speaker 2: is bizarre to me that you would put you give

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Speaker 2: people like the bare bones of a script and equipment

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00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 2: and have them do it all and then they get

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Speaker 2: paid nothing. And it could be incredibly financially lucrative, right,

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Speaker 2: and they get nothing right, there's no guarantees, but wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like just as a reminder, in general, actors

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Speaker 1: don't get paid much unless you're a big name movie star,

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Speaker 1: and seemingly those are the people are all children of

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Speaker 1: famous people already that get those kind of breaks. You

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Speaker 1: rarely make.

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Speaker 2: Money now, you really, you really don't. I think people

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Speaker 2: are often shocked by that, and I'm like, yeah, no, uh,

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Speaker 2: it's not much at all. It's usually the vibe of like,

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Speaker 2: you're so lucky to be in this. Right, maybe you'll

771
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Speaker 2: get seen by someone else and you can take that

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Speaker 2: next step and then maybe you'll make enough to not

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Speaker 2: do whatever other jobs you're doing to do this right.

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Speaker 1: And then the scheduling you have to be so open. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's such an odd thing, like when the film industry

776
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: came into the Atlanta and then having all these friends

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Speaker 1: who moved here or like, who have started up really

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Speaker 1: you know, trying to get their career. Like the amount

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Speaker 1: of odd jobs that have to take and do, because

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Speaker 1: to truly be an actor, they have to be able

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00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: to go on a whim for as long as they

782
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: want you there and then might not. They might you

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Speaker 1: may not get on on stage at all that day,

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Speaker 1: but you have to be on call just in case.

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Speaker 1: That's absurd to me, and you get paid minimally for

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Speaker 1: being there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you have to I still think this

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Speaker 2: should be illegal. But a lot of cases you have

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Speaker 2: to pay to audition.

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Speaker 1: Yes's odd.

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Speaker 2: You have to pay to audition, and you have to

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Speaker 2: do it within a lot of times, within twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: Like you get the script and you have to do it,

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Speaker 2: and you probably have to pay for it. And if

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Speaker 2: you need somebody to read with you, then good luck.

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Speaker 1: There's so many scamy like talent agencies.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh yes, it's a big problem.

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Speaker 1: Anyway. I'll just to say Heather, Josh and Mike deserve

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Speaker 1: more for the role that they played because I honestly

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Speaker 1: haven't seen them in anything else and we know their names.

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Speaker 1: I will say that we know who they are, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's really helped them in the career

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Speaker 1: of like movie industry.

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Speaker 2: Now they're in the industry. They did a great job, Yes.

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Speaker 1: They did for something that's this new, this like this groundbreaking,

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00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: they did it an amazing job. All that to say

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Speaker 1: is let us know what your opinion is, because I

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Speaker 1: think like it's interesting when you see movies like this

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00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: and the like trying to get deeper meanings and trying

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Speaker 1: to get like the understanding beyond just this was a

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Speaker 1: new technique. This is a new way of storytelling. It

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Speaker 1: gets into a bigger conversation that people were like, I

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Speaker 1: see it this way, and I see it that way,

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Speaker 1: and I love that.

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Speaker 2: I love it too, And I would love to come

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Speaker 2: back and just talk about found footage in general, because

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Speaker 2: I think there are some movies where the public perception

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Speaker 2: has shifted to Paranoral Activity is one of my favorites

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Speaker 2: where everyone went from like Meek is so funny to

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Speaker 2: be like no, he's a jack, like over time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I think we should come back and look at that.

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Speaker 2: But in the meantime, Yes, if you have any thoughts

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Speaker 2: about this, any favorite found footage movies, oh please let

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Speaker 2: I've been forgetting about YouTube. We also have a book

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Speaker 2: you can get wherever you get your books. Thanks as

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