Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why and look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, dast culture And what
Speaker 1: a happy day, a really blissful, wonderful day for the
Speaker 1: Rogers family. Can I say, in the words of Taylor,
Speaker 1: uh see spoksa never loser, etcetera. I thought you were
Speaker 1: gonna sing today was a fairy tale. You know, that
Speaker 1: would have been actually more apt because today was today
Speaker 1: is the day that my sister got engaged, bra not bravo.
Speaker 1: I meant to say, mozle top Well you know that
Speaker 1: actually is that says a lot about you that you
Speaker 1: would that you would congratulate a woman on an engagement.
Speaker 1: I know. I didn't mean yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're gonna have to like do um,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to give a speech about a year.
Speaker 1: Of course you are. I guess you're right. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: what's funny. I don't know how you feel, but I'm
Speaker 1: never really like involved in the weddings. I go to no,
Speaker 1: neither or not. You're not involved in the wedding in anyway.
Speaker 1: But like you're going to have to, like if there's
Speaker 1: like if she's gonna do a rehearsal dinner or something
Speaker 1: that's usually when like the sibling talks. Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: like I think I think you will be asked to
Speaker 1: say something, especially as a performer. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: I'll have to get over my stage right, huh, to
Speaker 1: get over that limptic feeling I get in front of people,
Speaker 1: want to have to perform. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: You're in the wrong business. Oh you go limp, Honey.
Speaker 1: I can't even if it's only fans, like like this,
Speaker 1: I go limp sick in front of crowds. What's gonna
Speaker 1: happen when I go limptick in front of the bottom
Speaker 1: of the bottom? Listen? Sorry God, frontrunner of title of
Speaker 1: that Sorry, sorry God, now listen. Um also wanted to say, uh,
Speaker 1: quick shout out to my sister whose birthday it also
Speaker 1: is today, and she just got a new job. So
Speaker 1: this is like a big Chelsea episode, a lot of
Speaker 1: big changes. We ink this is all going in the
Speaker 1: right direction. What am I saying? I'm like, can you
Speaker 1: tell him out of it? I'm nervous. I am nervous.
Speaker 1: Can I say I am nervous? But that's okay. Legend
Speaker 1: in the Zoom legend in the zoom. You know how
Speaker 1: I get when I when the legend is in the zoom,
Speaker 1: I I kind of get all, um. I don't know, flustered.
Speaker 1: I think it's just actually, like truly, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a moment for me whenever I'm around the guests,
Speaker 1: because you can imagine, like, so imagine it's you're nervous,
Speaker 1: you bow and yang. Imagine this. I'm working in the
Speaker 1: writer's room at Q Force Animated series that really, let's
Speaker 1: let's be real. This man was the star of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's star, major creative force behind the gig. So here
Speaker 1: I am. It's he's really you know, he's my boss. Boss.
Speaker 1: He's coming in. I find out, you know, we're going
Speaker 1: to meet them, and it's the table read, babe. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the big table read. And then you're
Speaker 1: reading at it. They say to me, we have found
Speaker 1: the right person for this one part. You got to
Speaker 1: read the part, and you're gonna sit next to Sean
Speaker 1: and read the part. So now I'm thinking nervous, I'm
Speaker 1: shaking in my boots. I'm limp, Dick. He's coming in.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be Seawn Hayes I'm gonna have to be
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers. And then guess what happened. It was successful
Speaker 1: and we struck up. We're not gonna believe it. Friendship, friendship,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, God, sorry God, sorry god. I really
Speaker 1: just I've only ever loved this man, and just hearing
Speaker 1: you work, hearing you work with him, these stories you
Speaker 1: called me. But but just every day you would just
Speaker 1: come to me with some wonderful anecdote about our guest,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, of course he's like this.
Speaker 1: Of course he's wonderful, truly a joyful presence as one
Speaker 1: that you one that is undeniable. And it's been like this.
Speaker 1: Can we just say that we hashtag been new, we
Speaker 1: can actually been new, that our guest today was truly
Speaker 1: a comedic cultural icon. And can I say I think,
Speaker 1: perchance maybe the best physical comedian of his generation. I
Speaker 1: would say, like this is beyond. But when you go
Speaker 1: back and watch like Will and Grace from the beginning,
Speaker 1: just a savant. He would like go into a squat.
Speaker 1: Within like micro seconds, Jack would like every now and
Speaker 1: then like demonstrate things, and like within like half a second,
Speaker 1: you would see his his his upper body just like
Speaker 1: dropped the floor somehow. Let me say something about that Chaplin,
Speaker 1: that that fag chaplain shaking and his brave twisting and
Speaker 1: turning in his grave because you know he was bested
Speaker 1: by our guest, Matt. What are the credits? Let me
Speaker 1: tell you about the credits. Okay, so this is sort
Speaker 1: of the new iconic next chapter Okay, became like a
Speaker 1: pioneer of modern podcasting, the smart List podcast with little
Speaker 1: known household name. We should say, Jason, Bateman and Will
Speaker 1: are in that this podcast is absolutely huge. Bow It's
Speaker 1: a huge podcast, and they're all people say that like, oh,
Speaker 1: Matt and Bowen, they get on their guests level, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. No, no, no, no, not like Bateman and
Speaker 1: Hayze in our nets. Somehow it feels like you're listening
Speaker 1: in on a conversation with the Sandra Bullock, honey. Somehow
Speaker 1: it feels like you're listening to a conversation with them,
Speaker 1: you know, the Jimmy Fallon heard of him, heard of
Speaker 1: Jimmy heard of her. What if we ever got some
Speaker 1: Bullock on this podcast, would we act shut up? You don't.
Speaker 1: We didn't announce you yet. You're not You're not here,
Speaker 1: You're not here. Don't upset me. I could, I could,
Speaker 1: I could try and figure it out. Sandy would do
Speaker 1: Oh my god, wait, I forgot that, you know her. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's the crazy thing about the whole Bowen Yang of it,
Speaker 1: all these people. No, no, no, I will reveal something
Speaker 1: I did today. I did ad R for the upcoming
Speaker 1: film The Lost Cities, intandrible like Channing Tatum getting great buzz,
Speaker 1: getting great buzz starring Patti Harrison um and I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a really fun movie. You were saying
Speaker 1: that from the very beginning. You were like, I have
Speaker 1: to say, this is giving me like really funny like ms, congeniality,
Speaker 1: like early odds, like honest to god, funny comedy like
Speaker 1: but talking about the heartstrings vibes hashtag hashtag after anyway
Speaker 1: that the answer is maybe Sandra Bullock would do it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, like I do think there
Speaker 1: is this unfortunate phenomenon now where a lot of people
Speaker 1: are like, anytime someone comes to us and now someone's life,
Speaker 1: our guest, our guest is making some calls. Anytime someone
Speaker 1: comes to us, and now now I I all I
Speaker 1: get our d ms that are saying get Katy Perry
Speaker 1: on the pot on the pot, I'm like, I think
Speaker 1: that they're busy, y'all. I think that they're busy campaigning
Speaker 1: for rewards, but SmartLess, Oh my gosh. And they're all
Speaker 1: hypochondriactor hypochondriactor with Dr Pea, uncle Wally, Yes, mom, And
Speaker 1: so basically those are the big podcast So the moment,
Speaker 1: you of course know our guests from his iconic turn
Speaker 1: as as my mom said today when I told her
Speaker 1: he was coming on the podcast, oh my god, just
Speaker 1: Jack of course, will iconically Jack on William Grace, Emmy Winner,
Speaker 1: UM awards are everything, um like like I was saying,
Speaker 1: my co star like my eyes go cross side on
Speaker 1: Q Force. Loved that. And in March, you're never going
Speaker 1: to believe that the man is storming the stage. Okay,
Speaker 1: storming the stage because he's going to be seen in
Speaker 1: Chicago's Goodman Theater starting in Goodnight Oscar. Did you see
Speaker 1: him in Promises? He did? I solve and promises promises
Speaker 1: with Okay, you know what, it's time we we've been
Speaker 1: doing this. It's time we've been dilly dallying, and it's
Speaker 1: dilly dallying. Here we go. Please welcome shy as I
Speaker 1: got heart. Okay, what do you want? What do you
Speaker 1: want to do? Do you wanna do? Let's just perspective. Now,
Speaker 1: what if you guys like this guy hasn't really done,
Speaker 1: like he's gonna like you know him from let's just
Speaker 1: bring him on like once I was like, you know
Speaker 1: him from win a date with Tad Hamilton's you're getting
Speaker 1: that though. I pulled that one out all the time.
Speaker 1: It's a good one. Underappreciate it. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: comment so many times while you guys are talking, I couldn't.
Speaker 1: What were your big pulls? Remember them? I don't remember now?
Speaker 1: They flee, remember, remember, and they flee like fame. They're fleeting.
Speaker 1: They flee like flame, Well like fameames fleeting. How do
Speaker 1: you feel about um that we saw you and promises promises?
Speaker 1: We both separately saw you and promise. This promise a
Speaker 1: good one. Okay, So problems, that's so nice. They named
Speaker 1: it twice. So my friend Dak Shepherd, So my mom
Speaker 1: came to see that show. Uh you know Shepherd is involved. No,
Speaker 1: he came to see it and so got it. So
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm jumping around, But my mom came to
Speaker 1: see the show when she was like in the deep
Speaker 1: throes of Alzheimer's, and so of course Dak Shephard came
Speaker 1: up the most brilliant joke ever, because if we don't
Speaker 1: laugh about Alzheimer's, you cry, which I've done plenty of.
Speaker 1: So this is okay because it's my mom and I'm
Speaker 1: making fun of it my mom, and my mom would
Speaker 1: have laughed. She said, thank god, it's called Promises, Promises.
Speaker 1: I loved that show. But I would say I as
Speaker 1: as brilliant as Katie Finneran was. And I believe a
Speaker 1: Tony win for that. Yes, yes, And then I heard
Speaker 1: Molly Shannon joined mine. Now Molly Shannon took over. She
Speaker 1: made me pee. She was so funny. So they both
Speaker 1: were one of the best. Yeah, I love I love Molly.
Speaker 1: I worked with Molly so many times. I hosted Sytay
Speaker 1: Night Live. Her last show, really yeah, her very last
Speaker 1: show when she said she played Katherine Mary Kathan Gallagher
Speaker 1: and she came out and played against she goes and
Speaker 1: she played schools out forever, right, and then on the
Speaker 1: last speech, she goes that show and I know your neighbors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's lovely. And see like that's and now Bowen, you're part,
Speaker 1: which is so impressive. You're part of an institution, You're
Speaker 1: part of the history of this massive institution. It's so exciting.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you. I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 1: I don't know you, but I'm proud of you, and
Speaker 1: I'm it must just feel so cool. Thank you. That's
Speaker 1: very nice, I am. I also remember when cast members
Speaker 1: left the show. That was a different time when the
Speaker 1: cast was actually back in the day, went back in
Speaker 1: the um, Well, we'll leave that in we'll leave that
Speaker 1: in white. My coworkers can can handle that. Um, oh
Speaker 1: my god. But promises, promises, Yeah, I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: how long did that run for? Well, how long were
Speaker 1: you there? That was a year? That was a year. Um,
Speaker 1: there's so many I could we could fill this whole
Speaker 1: thing with so many stories from there. But one time,
Speaker 1: one time, Kristen uh, because she hadn't eaten that day,
Speaker 1: she was running around like crazy. But she did the
Speaker 1: whole show and then we come up for you know,
Speaker 1: we see each other backstage in the wings because we
Speaker 1: came out from opposite sides and joined in the center
Speaker 1: and then down and so I looked at her and
Speaker 1: I was like, that's where Kristen is not standing there,
Speaker 1: And then I looked down and like the wicked Witch
Speaker 1: of the West West legs you know that legs are
Speaker 1: sticking out of the house, passed out on the ground.
Speaker 1: Legs are sticking out underneath the curtain. And I was like,
Speaker 1: And the stage manager goes go and I'm like, but
Speaker 1: she's not she's And I went out and I was like,
Speaker 1: what all the cats, was like, where's Kristen? And then
Speaker 1: finally she came out like five minutes later. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's that one. There's another story where a woman threw
Speaker 1: up in the middle of the show, like the tenth
Speaker 1: throw up, uh, the tenth row in, and then she
Speaker 1: got escorted out, came back, threw up again, and that's
Speaker 1: broad Way baby, And she was a reviewer and that
Speaker 1: was that was my review of my performance. He made
Speaker 1: me throw up. I threw up, and I threw up again.
Speaker 1: There's this other guy who's who's in the show. You
Speaker 1: may know him. His name is Brooks Ashmanskiss. Yes, I've
Speaker 1: seen Brooks in the prom. Yeah, he was the problem.
Speaker 1: He stole the show in the problem. He's brilliant he's
Speaker 1: a really good friend. He's one of the most incredible actors,
Speaker 1: funniest people live, such a big heart, he's just a
Speaker 1: great human being. And uh he this is so funny.
Speaker 1: I haven't told this story ever, but the so right
Speaker 1: before the curtain goes up in the show, there was
Speaker 1: the announcement right to the audience, no flash photography, no recording,
Speaker 1: please bla blah blah blah blah blah, and enjoy the show.
Speaker 1: And there's just a beat of silence. And when the
Speaker 1: curtain goes up, the entire cast is frozen on stage
Speaker 1: in the silhouette. And so every single night, eight shows
Speaker 1: a week, for a year, Brooks would say something in
Speaker 1: that one breath of silence to make us all laugh,
Speaker 1: no flash photography, blah blah blah, and enjoy the show.
Speaker 1: My asshole was bleeding and it would all be dying.
Speaker 1: It was so fun. That sounds like that sounds like camp.
Speaker 1: You know, that sounds like going to camp because it's
Speaker 1: like theater funk or theater folk. We just make fun.
Speaker 1: We have fun. We fund as as theater folk, as
Speaker 1: show people know what's really just It's really just about
Speaker 1: sticking sticks together and making me set and it's just playtime,
Speaker 1: you know, the show backstage and in front of the stage.
Speaker 1: Enjoy to watch and listen. Enjoy to watch and listen
Speaker 1: to see. Now, wait, so you guys have been doing
Speaker 1: this show for like five six years for we Yeah,
Speaker 1: how many episodes? You know? I actually counted? Are we to?
Speaker 1: I think? No? This is like two eighties six. We're
Speaker 1: coming up. We're coming up at three d. We have
Speaker 1: to do some big things. Well, we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: do a big thing because because Sean, we kind of
Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys do on your podcast,
Speaker 1: we kind of like to do a big thing when
Speaker 1: we have like a big episode number, we kind of
Speaker 1: have to. We like to like, you know, have like
Speaker 1: a big event, you know. Okay, so what was what
Speaker 1: was the what was the hundred event? Oh well there
Speaker 1: was no hundred event, was there? No, there was no
Speaker 1: hundred event. But two hundred was two summers ago. And
Speaker 1: let me tell you so when you say you always
Speaker 1: do it, you did it once. We did it once.
Speaker 1: I mean the way we did it at two hundred
Speaker 1: was so major that like I feel like we we
Speaker 1: will have to keep the tradition going. Matt, we did
Speaker 1: the top two hundred moments in culture and we listed
Speaker 1: the top two hundred moments in pop culture history. And
Speaker 1: it was a three episode of Traveganza, and you could
Speaker 1: really say it put us on the map. They say
Speaker 1: that it was Bowen Yang's real SNL audition, even though
Speaker 1: he had been working there for a while. That's right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I must say, since you mentioned in the thing
Speaker 1: that the Q Force, that that Matt, Matt first of
Speaker 1: all stole you stole the stole Q Force, truly, honest,
Speaker 1: lay hand to god, stole the show every scene, every episode.
Speaker 1: That's what they were all saying. Yeah. And while they
Speaker 1: were in the booth, they're like, this guy's like Brooks
Speaker 1: March Yeah, except they except they pronounced that ash manskis Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but Matt, And that's when I fell in love
Speaker 1: with you, because I was like, who is this guy
Speaker 1: I never knew? Came out of nowhere for me, came
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, and I was just like, I just
Speaker 1: think you were in our absolutely brilliant. You're too You're
Speaker 1: too much. And this is what I'm saying. It's like
Speaker 1: you know that you know, here's the thing about you, Shan.
Speaker 1: You could walk in there and be a real cut. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could walk in there and be a real bitch
Speaker 1: and you could start of be marching, giving marching orders.
Speaker 1: You can be like, I don't like this one, I
Speaker 1: don't like that one. You can come in with just like,
Speaker 1: you know, just like giving a real deal attitude and
Speaker 1: you don't. You wake up every day and you decided
Speaker 1: to give you started to carry the light and thank
Speaker 1: you for that. Let me tell you, maybe maybe I'm
Speaker 1: being a cut in a different way, but that's a
Speaker 1: secret away. Yeah, No, that's very nice. I life's too short,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to We're here for five fucking
Speaker 1: minutes on this planet, and if the pandemic tell you anything,
Speaker 1: it's that and uh and you you do have a choice,
Speaker 1: right you can. You can show up and and be
Speaker 1: inclusive and enjoyful, or you can be a fucking dick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's also really nice to like enjoy enjoy like where
Speaker 1: you work, you know what I mean. Like you go
Speaker 1: in it's just like the vibes are positive and it
Speaker 1: feels like um because honestly that is I do work
Speaker 1: better when that is the case. Yeah, for sure, everybody does.
Speaker 1: We have a big sign in my office at my company.
Speaker 1: Who says, be work hard and be nice. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really simple. That's really it's really simple. A lot of
Speaker 1: people don't understand that. But you know, growing up poor too,
Speaker 1: like like so poor? Like how poor? What? Thank you
Speaker 1: for asking? I I was gonna do? Were you? So?
Speaker 1: The the tense agreement there, It doesn't really sorry listeners,
Speaker 1: sorry readers, the tense agreements mattsid how poor were you? Know?
Speaker 1: Was he? I was going to say? How poor were you?
Speaker 1: So it sounds a little bit jumbled. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: sort of holding up this whole conversation, but no, I
Speaker 1: I uh so. Anyway, it's a great motivator to to
Speaker 1: work hard and be nice and being appreciative. How poor
Speaker 1: were you? Well? We had once one summer and one
Speaker 1: summer one winter in Chicago. We had no heat for
Speaker 1: the whole winter, so it was fucking freezing in the house.
Speaker 1: And so you you don't forget that, right, you never
Speaker 1: forget those days, like the whole winter was it was?
Speaker 1: It was heat less? Pretty much? Yeah, pretty much. We
Speaker 1: know hot water, had to take cold showers? Was it
Speaker 1: not illegal back then like it is now? I feel
Speaker 1: like that's hot water when hot water was illegal. I
Speaker 1: feel like when did when did that? I wonder how
Speaker 1: like those housing laws came into effect. I genuinely like
Speaker 1: sort of I wonder when that happened. What it was?
Speaker 1: Because we couldn't pay our bills. That's how I just meant, like, okay,
Speaker 1: like you're all entitled to Okay, great it was. It
Speaker 1: was a dad leaving mom with five kids to raise
Speaker 1: on her own. Thing. That'll do it. And can I
Speaker 1: say something that I like to take it down? Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: we're we're perked up. Now, we're perked up. I'm listening,
Speaker 1: I'm in now. That's how we that's how we get
Speaker 1: to know you. If we need to know the trauma,
Speaker 1: we didn't know the struggle. We need to know where
Speaker 1: has he been that maiden? Who he is? Because he
Speaker 1: didn't just wake up carrying the light? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's been through ship. I took a slat in the winter,
Speaker 1: went out shot some game and brought it home. I'm
Speaker 1: not shooting game. Mask man. You don't have to pretend
Speaker 1: with us. Shawan okay, dropped the straight act exactly, can
Speaker 1: you please for once? Not Will and Jason? Okay, you
Speaker 1: don't have to like Oh my god, you should hear me.
Speaker 1: What was that? We had Adam stand Lauran he was
Speaker 1: talking about he was telling the funniest story about um
Speaker 1: SNL and and auditioning, and uh, he was on the
Speaker 1: he was on the I'm gonna get this wrong. So
Speaker 1: but it's something about he was on the phone on
Speaker 1: the plane phone remember those that you can ride your
Speaker 1: credit card through and talk on the plane. And he
Speaker 1: was like, but dad, I want to be a star
Speaker 1: or something like telling talking to his dad on the plane.
Speaker 1: I go, well, that's not a conversation you can have
Speaker 1: quietly because you have to raise your voice. And so
Speaker 1: then my gay version of that was I want to
Speaker 1: be a star of the plane. You guys all met
Speaker 1: a poker? Yeah that's pretty straight. Yeah, well yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I love I love I love gam grow
Speaker 1: up with games like board playing cards with my family
Speaker 1: all the time. But no, he okay, and no cards,
Speaker 1: how do we warm up competition? So Kyle gas And
Speaker 1: and Jack Black would have these poker things at their
Speaker 1: at their place, and and so for like a year,
Speaker 1: maybe even two years, I don't even know, it was
Speaker 1: a really long time. Every Tuesday I would go join
Speaker 1: them and I would have that we would order pizza
Speaker 1: at the end of the night of taping of Will
Speaker 1: and Grace, and I would always ask to order one
Speaker 1: more and I would bring the pizza over to the
Speaker 1: poker night would just laugh and have a good time.
Speaker 1: Do you guys like poker? Do you like it? There
Speaker 1: was a time when I really in high school. My
Speaker 1: my friends and I these were I'm gonna rockyr world,
Speaker 1: tire straight male friends. They were we got really into poker,
Speaker 1: and for a minute there, I got pretty good at it.
Speaker 1: But I have a naturally horrible poker face. Show it
Speaker 1: to us. Here's the one. I have a good hand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: An I sort of look, I sort of like say
Speaker 1: onto my breath. I mean, what do people say anything
Speaker 1: about like there being any correlation between like being a
Speaker 1: good actor and having a good poker face. I feel
Speaker 1: like people probably that's the very first thought. It's a
Speaker 1: lazy thought to have, but there's no way that can
Speaker 1: be true. Yeah, I don't. I never had that an
Speaker 1: acting class. We never played acting class. Do you wish
Speaker 1: you did? Well? Here's the thing. It's like, as an actor,
Speaker 1: you're expressive, right and feel a lot. So I don't
Speaker 1: know about you actors. This is a now a round
Speaker 1: table and it is awards season, so it's great that
Speaker 1: we got the galls together. It's just Hollywood Actress roundtable,
Speaker 1: Hollywood reporter. We have three girls in the running here
Speaker 1: today to talk about how poker face and acting is
Speaker 1: two different things. And I want to say that if
Speaker 1: they did ask that question, it would be one of
Speaker 1: a much better question than they do ask because if
Speaker 1: you ever watch those Hollywood Reporters actors round tables, it's
Speaker 1: always like, so when did you guys decide that you
Speaker 1: wanted to be an actor? And it's like Jesus, or
Speaker 1: it'll be like when was the last time you experienced
Speaker 1: a me too? Like they praise it right, they don't
Speaker 1: like they phrase it in the crew like. It'll be
Speaker 1: literally like when you experienced, like, what's the most racist
Speaker 1: thing someone said to you? And it'll be like a
Speaker 1: table full of people and they just go for it.
Speaker 1: It's like, can you remember a time when you felt
Speaker 1: like maybe you doubted yourself? Yeah? Idiot? Anyway, they're bad,
Speaker 1: they're bad questions. I'm so happy the three of us
Speaker 1: could gather to discuss Wait, what about what about? First
Speaker 1: of all, to many thoughts went. First of all, Bowen,
Speaker 1: you're so good on the show. You're so good on
Speaker 1: Satnight Life, and you make me, you make me and
Speaker 1: my husband laugh out loud. Scotty, Scotty, Scotty talent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's also talented Scotty. And um do you wait? What
Speaker 1: was I want to ask you? What do I want
Speaker 1: to live? Um? Do I remember your sketcher Will comes
Speaker 1: in with the tiny cell phone? Yeah? We remember it? Okay, no,
Speaker 1: uh shoot, it'll come back to me. I want, okay,
Speaker 1: something about that. I remember when I was younger and
Speaker 1: I watched that sketch with you and the tiny cell phone.
Speaker 1: I assumed you were part of the cast. I think
Speaker 1: at the time, I was just like, oh, yeahs an
Speaker 1: outcast member. Was that anything that was ever on your radar?
Speaker 1: Do you have an audition for them? No? But I
Speaker 1: wanted to do some insane thing whereafter Will and Grace
Speaker 1: was over the first time, and I wanted I told
Speaker 1: my agent. I was like, I think I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: on CENTERNT Live or at least auditioned for it if
Speaker 1: it's possible. And the whole agency was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: You're not doing that. I would have been so rad
Speaker 1: and fun to just go from that to that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: from like the like the the what do they used
Speaker 1: to call They don't really say this anymore, but it
Speaker 1: was like the not ready for prime time players that
Speaker 1: they would say about them. It's like, Okay, this this
Speaker 1: gentleman has done prime time to great success, but he's
Speaker 1: going back to that three thousand dollar in episode So
Speaker 1: but yeah, but you but because you did Second City, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was a Second City in Chicago. I never performed
Speaker 1: in the main stage, but I went through all the
Speaker 1: training programs and of those little shows within there. But um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I always admired all the people's journey from
Speaker 1: either the Groundlings or Second City or IO in Chicago
Speaker 1: or you know, in prov Olympic or whatever. Isn't there
Speaker 1: another one? Oh yeah you CB? Yeah? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: how did you bow and do? I'm always fascinated by
Speaker 1: that journey? Well I was. I was kind of like you. Um,
Speaker 1: I was taking classes, but I never got into like
Speaker 1: the actual like theater sanctioned groups that performed their Matt
Speaker 1: and Matt was on a sketch team. But I just
Speaker 1: took the classes. They paid a lot of money. To
Speaker 1: not be actually in the system. But I was just like, well,
Speaker 1: at least I have the training, and then Matt and
Speaker 1: I would would sketch comedy together, and uh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: my managers just told me to put in a tape
Speaker 1: one time one year and this is such a long shot,
Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna like have fun with it, like
Speaker 1: do things that like I knew they would never make
Speaker 1: it on the show. Um, and somehow it kept clearing
Speaker 1: every stage gate. I was like, oh, this is actually
Speaker 1: like I never in a million years thought it would happen,
Speaker 1: So I think that was probably helpful. I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then there was and then you know, Matt, I
Speaker 1: don't know, if you kid with me, bring this up,
Speaker 1: bringing up, mentioned it all, mentioned it all, so that Matt,
Speaker 1: one year after I was put in a holding deal
Speaker 1: for like a whole year, Matt got invited to audition
Speaker 1: as well. So both of us went in the same
Speaker 1: day to eight age. Yeah. I think I knew that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I might have told you about it. Yeah, I screen
Speaker 1: bone screen tested four times, I screen tested twice, and
Speaker 1: I had us on holds for six months. Yeah, both
Speaker 1: of you guys friends, It's so wow. What a story.
Speaker 1: I know, it's one day, one day, it'll all get
Speaker 1: fleshed out in something we do, because it really is
Speaker 1: a crazy story. That My favorite story about it, my
Speaker 1: favorite short story about it, is that they put us
Speaker 1: in the same dressing room the second time we were
Speaker 1: screen testing, and I think they thought like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: mattin Bow and they're still addressing room like that there.
Speaker 1: They'll love to be together this day. But it's like
Speaker 1: a really high stake stand. You want to be by yourself.
Speaker 1: You want to be by yourself, like I love my sister,
Speaker 1: says an American idol. You guys aren't really friends because
Speaker 1: you're competing against each other. Well, yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: Simon was there. That's another thing that SNL does. Simon
Speaker 1: into every room and heard I heard yeah, and he
Speaker 1: sort of says, he says that you're dreadful. You know,
Speaker 1: he does his whole time and he says you're dreadful.
Speaker 1: And it's the real Simon Cowe's and not even Daryl Hammond.
Speaker 1: That was that one of your auditions, like impressions, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what they missed out. On my eyes. It's
Speaker 1: like I'm talking to Simon, but they basically we're there.
Speaker 1: We're there like it's our they have our second screen stuff.
Speaker 1: We've been on hold for months. You're not allowed to
Speaker 1: do anything else while you're on hold. And we're like
Speaker 1: both rehearsing art characters. And one of Bowen's characters that
Speaker 1: he was auditioning with was the choking victim in the side. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the model, the model for the choking poster. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: it was like con of tense in the room because
Speaker 1: we're both like focused on the audition. But at one
Speaker 1: point Boone was just like just making gags sounds, just
Speaker 1: like making gag sounds. I rehearsing his coughing, and I
Speaker 1: turned to him and I was like, they all sound
Speaker 1: the same, like I'm here too, I know, And we laughed.
Speaker 1: It was good. We laugh, we laugh, We laughed. That's
Speaker 1: good though. It build it builds a stronger bond. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and look we're we're we're both okay. Now. Everything looked
Speaker 1: out exactly like that always does always. Here's my question
Speaker 1: that I had, Yeah, how do you because I just
Speaker 1: the one time I hosted, I know what the grind
Speaker 1: is and everybody talks about that the hours and hours
Speaker 1: and hours. How do you, like, for example, right now,
Speaker 1: are you in New York? Right now? I am, okay,
Speaker 1: So how do you balance all of that work and
Speaker 1: then do this? Oh well, this is I mean, I've
Speaker 1: had to like recalibrate like my relationship with the podcast
Speaker 1: for the last year because like Matt's like heard me
Speaker 1: say like sometimes I'm like I too burned down to
Speaker 1: do this like for the next few weeks. But then
Speaker 1: he kind of snapped me out of that one day
Speaker 1: by just being like, well, when I do the podcast
Speaker 1: with you, it's I don't consider it to be work.
Speaker 1: It's just me hanging out with my friend. And I
Speaker 1: was like, that's the way I have to frame it,
Speaker 1: is that it's not actual work, and it's and and
Speaker 1: He's right, it's not me like sort of tricking my
Speaker 1: mind to do thinking something that it's that's not true.
Speaker 1: It's it is true that this is not actually just
Speaker 1: hanging out the boris it's it's just hanging out. Do
Speaker 1: you feel that way about SmartLess? Yeah? Absolutely, my god.
Speaker 1: I look forward to it. And by the way, we've
Speaker 1: spent so much time anyway, Like I was just at
Speaker 1: Jason's house last night and it's me and Scotty like
Speaker 1: started getting into football, like enjoying. Oh yeah, the big game.
Speaker 1: A lot of people watched football last night who normally
Speaker 1: don't watch football. Yeah, it was really really exciting. What happened?
Speaker 1: What was the What was the Chiefs Chiefs versus the
Speaker 1: forty Niners Packers? No, the who it was? It was
Speaker 1: Kansas City? Uh and and the and the and the
Speaker 1: and uh Broncos. Sounds like you didn't enjoy it that much.
Speaker 1: But anyway, but of course anytime a football player like
Speaker 1: got tackled or bent over. Me and Scotty my husband
Speaker 1: are like part noises, you gallows humorists. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so so we we enjoy hanging out on the podcast
Speaker 1: and the outside of the podcast, they make me laugh
Speaker 1: so hard. They're so funny. Yeah, it's so dumb, like
Speaker 1: the dumbest, stupidest fucking jokes ever. I feel like you
Speaker 1: guys have that perfect intersection of smart and stupid, which
Speaker 1: is like, which is heaven, which is what Conan says,
Speaker 1: is like heaven. Like, yeah, because we don't know anything
Speaker 1: about you, think, anybody, or anything, and we claim to
Speaker 1: be a pop culture podcast. Yeah, you guys know, but
Speaker 1: you're singing songs at the top thing. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what those are, Taylor. You don't
Speaker 1: I know some Taylor? But ten minutes song? Good God,
Speaker 1: good God, I think I'm off. Would you consider yourself?
Speaker 1: Would you identify Bow and us off book on the
Speaker 1: ten minute all too Well? I told you, I said
Speaker 1: on this very podcast that they did. It was released.
Speaker 1: Me and Gail King are both on the studio floor
Speaker 1: at SNL watching Taylor do both both versions of the
Speaker 1: song addressed in air, and both Gail and I holding
Speaker 1: each other's hands. Sorry, this is me name dropping, but
Speaker 1: like I love it. And then and then and Ryan
Speaker 1: Reynolds turning to me and going, you know all the words?
Speaker 1: How do you know all the words the songs? The
Speaker 1: song hasn't been out for more than thirty six hours.
Speaker 1: I was like, I know, I just don't question it, sir.
Speaker 1: I don't think you understand Sir. You're like, how do
Speaker 1: you not? Do you not? Sean? Who do you? Sorry
Speaker 1: to say? But stand like, who's your number one? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think I know the answer. I know the answer
Speaker 1: to this number one? What number one? Like pop star diva?
Speaker 1: Who's your girl? I feel like the answer has to be.
Speaker 1: Can I can I answer for you? It's different than
Speaker 1: my character from Will and Grace. Yeah, I was saying,
Speaker 1: I know, I assume, but but that moment was who
Speaker 1: doesn't by the way, who doesn't love share? Yeah? Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: but I but see this is like, this is interesting.
Speaker 1: I'm gay who didn't like I didn't grow up around
Speaker 1: Judy and Barbara and Share all those things. Not they're
Speaker 1: all phenomenal. But I was Depeche Mode, New Order, Erasers,
Speaker 1: Eraser and and Morrissey and the Smith's and like all
Speaker 1: the music I listened to and revered right and then Belly,
Speaker 1: Joel and John Like I never really was that, but
Speaker 1: I love musicals. Can I throw something out there? And
Speaker 1: this is dearly departed? Were you a meat Low fan? No,
Speaker 1: I mean I love the songs, but yeah, okay, I
Speaker 1: was reaching there, but I mean meat love did pass,
Speaker 1: and so I had to um. I had to ask
Speaker 1: because you were sort of saying theater and also rock
Speaker 1: music the perfect intersection. Yeah, yeah, for nothing. Think that's
Speaker 1: what we're staying on Q for us. You're saying in
Speaker 1: Q for us you did well? Then then then then
Speaker 1: what's the answer to the question. All those all those bands,
Speaker 1: all those people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, boys it well, but
Speaker 1: where I went to school and colleges that it was
Speaker 1: it was like the the alternative group. So it's like like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know Chicago very well,
Speaker 1: but there's a place called Medusa's and Melissa McCarthy went
Speaker 1: there at the same time I went there, but we
Speaker 1: never lacked feather. We talked about like how that one
Speaker 1: it was a juice bar for eighteen and over righte
Speaker 1: no alcohol it was, but they would play. It was
Speaker 1: a place where like skinheads and gay guys and gay
Speaker 1: girls and everything in between, and like you know, people
Speaker 1: who like with tattoos, Like we all kind of met
Speaker 1: and went that's the freaks, the outcast, the weirdos, those
Speaker 1: from the other side of the tracks. That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: That was my crowd. I love that. And so you
Speaker 1: do compartmentalize, like the share of the judy, the like
Speaker 1: the barbs. You like that that's Jack and that's not Sean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that that I don't appreciate that, but no,
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it, But then I then
Speaker 1: I apologize for presuming that. But I just feel like
Speaker 1: what I think is remarkable, and Matt me if you agree.
Speaker 1: I feel like the whole convention and share impersonations that
Speaker 1: is whole. That is a Sean Hayes invention. That is
Speaker 1: jack which because no one else was doing it before.
Speaker 1: Well thanks, Yeah, it's she just just kind of um
Speaker 1: and every single word and know how you would be well,
Speaker 1: but you have to take the last vowel of any
Speaker 1: word and put an owen, so you would be right,
Speaker 1: but you would be Matt rod Jo's I feel like
Speaker 1: that's the rule. That's the rule. That is one the
Speaker 1: established rule. But Sean, and please do not take this
Speaker 1: the wrong way. But I feel like the whole is
Speaker 1: that is one of the best non impression impressions. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? It is we recognize it as being
Speaker 1: part of the like lexicon of share and being in
Speaker 1: that lex kind of share impression. And my friend Dave Anderson,
Speaker 1: who was one of the funniest people alive me and
Speaker 1: him used to do that all the time. I kind
Speaker 1: of got too, so he's he's great. You know what's funny?
Speaker 1: Like on RuPaul's drag Race, like a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and I felt bad for some of the queens who
Speaker 1: like culturally, you could tell we're just not familiar with
Speaker 1: share because Rue has it in their head. Well, if
Speaker 1: you don't know share, you can't win drag race. It's
Speaker 1: very much like this weird thing that Rue has. But
Speaker 1: I remember they did like an episode where they all
Speaker 1: had to do a share impression, end dance, end sing,
Speaker 1: and like the queen that ended up getting like voted
Speaker 1: out was like RU was like, we didn't see any share,
Speaker 1: like you didn't do any of the stuff, And it
Speaker 1: was so clear what they wanted was Oh, it was
Speaker 1: so clear they wanted something that was more you doing
Speaker 1: share than it was Share that It's like it's truly
Speaker 1: moved into being the share. Isn't that funny? You know?
Speaker 1: I was too about because I was such a huge
Speaker 1: SNL fan when I was in high school too, when
Speaker 1: I was in grade school and high school and then
Speaker 1: of course forever never, but I feel like everybody would
Speaker 1: go back to school on Monday doing impersonations of the
Speaker 1: the impersonation, right, so we would do we would do
Speaker 1: Billy Crystal's impression of Fernando, or we would do Will
Speaker 1: Ferrell's um George Bush. You know, yeah, like like a
Speaker 1: Maya Rudolph, Donna Tella. It's essentially like an insane slavic woman,
Speaker 1: not Donna tell but you never question it. I always
Speaker 1: felt like with impressions, and I'm obviously, you know, not
Speaker 1: an impressionist, but I've always felt like, when I really
Speaker 1: enjoy an impression, it's more about the commitment and the
Speaker 1: joy and the discovery of something about it than it
Speaker 1: is accurate impressions. Like I kind of could care less
Speaker 1: that someone comes out and does an accurate thing. I
Speaker 1: just want to see something exaggerated at Yeah, it's almost
Speaker 1: too like um in a TV show or a movie
Speaker 1: or something when an actor is like playing you know,
Speaker 1: a famous person and I well know their hair wasn't
Speaker 1: like this, and I have to get this thing, and
Speaker 1: I feel like give to ship. Yeah, yeah, because it's
Speaker 1: just your version of it. It's like, don't overthink it.
Speaker 1: Why am I so angry about it? Matt, Matt rounds you.
Speaker 1: I think I think, I think I think I wanted
Speaker 1: you to get picked off. Yeah, watch this. Watch this
Speaker 1: number one rated episode of Lust Culture. E watched this
Speaker 1: absolutely brutalizes Nicole Kidman's Lucille Ball brutalizes it. You said
Speaker 1: nothing I I used her as an example because it
Speaker 1: was so expert. Oh my god, Sean, I will say
Speaker 1: before I forget, before the the opportunity leaves me. I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like one of the most influential
Speaker 1: comedic performances for me growing up was Jack coming in
Speaker 1: on Catheine because he's on he has a crush on
Speaker 1: the new berresta downstairs or just the copy. I mean that, like,
Speaker 1: it's just you coming in for like what one minute,
Speaker 1: two minutes? Just just do it a little loop. There's
Speaker 1: very sweet to say that they wrote that, you know,
Speaker 1: like on a on a sitcom, they they rewrite a
Speaker 1: lot as the week was on is rehearsed, just like
Speaker 1: Santa and and uh they wrote that huge monologue. It
Speaker 1: was like two pages long. And I was like, girl,
Speaker 1: I can't. There's you cannot change a word of this
Speaker 1: because I handed this to me Monday night and expect
Speaker 1: me to take it on Tuesday night. You know, you
Speaker 1: just can't because we don't have t cards, so we
Speaker 1: have to memorize. So uh so they promised not to
Speaker 1: change the word and I was just walk around my
Speaker 1: apartment just over and over and over. How many takes
Speaker 1: that do you remember how many takes that was too? Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh I did. I did one and I got it
Speaker 1: except for like the end, and then I got it
Speaker 1: to you too. Might as well be one for that,
Speaker 1: you know what you know it's like. But all the
Speaker 1: other episodes that was like twenty three takes each change, Well,
Speaker 1: that's an efficiently shoot schedule. I mean like two pages
Speaker 1: and two takes. Yeah. Well, well, James Burrows, Jimmy Burrows,
Speaker 1: you know, was our director. Jimmy Burrows directed I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys know, every episode of Cheers, every Crazy,
Speaker 1: He directed Friends, Big Bang, Theory, two and a Half, Man,
Speaker 1: Mary Tyler, Moore, a Taxi, all those shows. So he's like,
Speaker 1: you know, the Steven Spielberg of sitcoms and uh and
Speaker 1: although Jimmy would say, or Steven's like the Jimmy Burrows
Speaker 1: a film, but but he's like my dad. He's the
Speaker 1: greatest guy ever. And he would work so so so fast,
Speaker 1: and so what I was doing, like the like the
Speaker 1: My Rootolf had My Rootolf show for five seconds was
Speaker 1: like one special and everybody's working so fast. Right. Because
Speaker 1: of Saturday Night Live and because of Jimmy Burrows, I
Speaker 1: was used to that pace, but it would scare not
Speaker 1: necessary that my Rutolf show, but other shows like that
Speaker 1: or Maya Marti or whatever sketch show. I like the
Speaker 1: fast Best Best Best Master. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people are like, wait, I have to find my character.
Speaker 1: Everyone else isaked up. Yeah yeah, but so different now.
Speaker 1: I mean like there's just not a lot of multi
Speaker 1: cam happening. It's funny because like whenever you get auditions
Speaker 1: for them, it's nowadays it's like you have to kind
Speaker 1: of snap out of like what they train you to
Speaker 1: do for a single camp because like I remember when
Speaker 1: I was when I was doing pilot season a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. Um, it was just like to get
Speaker 1: that random little multi kim that'd be in there, it
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, it's like a completely different performance mode
Speaker 1: to me, Matt, what is your What is the dream
Speaker 1: for you? What I actually I'm actually about to start.
Speaker 1: I start shooting next week the show with Molly I'm
Speaker 1: and I love that for you, which is the Vanessa
Speaker 1: Bays regular. Yeah, oh my god, my favorite people all
Speaker 1: in one show that I know you text me, you
Speaker 1: want to know what it is like? It got Greenlits
Speaker 1: so long ago. You did text me and this and
Speaker 1: this is what I just like, I had to shake
Speaker 1: my head at my luck that I get Shawn Hayes
Speaker 1: to text me congratulations on. I mean, you're just the best.
Speaker 1: And just to everyone out there knows, like he is
Speaker 1: that kind of guy. I'm rooting for both of you
Speaker 1: all the time. I just love, love, love watching talented
Speaker 1: people win and so but but and Jeremy Bailer, who
Speaker 1: I love. He's like the greatest ever. I just I'm
Speaker 1: really and I will say like we've had the table
Speaker 1: reads now and Jennifer Lewis is in the show, and
Speaker 1: it's just it's just real. I mean, I I can't
Speaker 1: believe I always stopped short of being like I'm so lucky.
Speaker 1: I'm so lucky because I did work hard, so I
Speaker 1: feel very fortunate for it. But you can't be really
Speaker 1: really quick just from this side. You could have worked harder,
Speaker 1: but keep going. Yeah, you saw me slacking every day.
Speaker 1: I'm just my boss. He gets no, you get to
Speaker 1: make a job outside in UM. But like yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just it's it's really crazy. I mean you asked
Speaker 1: like when we started the podcast Bone and I started,
Speaker 1: you know, six years ago, when we were truly both like, okay,
Speaker 1: and remember, guys, please come see our show at u
Speaker 1: c B. It's on Thursday at seven thirty. See you there,
Speaker 1: like and now you know it's different, it's so great,
Speaker 1: it's so exciting both to do. It's just really, I
Speaker 1: genuinely truly mean, I just love when good people, good
Speaker 1: things happen to good people. That's very nice. And you
Speaker 1: know we all know when good things happened to bad people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: someone's example. I mean I might be someone's example of that.
Speaker 1: I really do. It's okay, who out there thinks you're
Speaker 1: a bad person? Plenty of people. No they don't. He's
Speaker 1: trying to start a villain Argentcy. No, No, he wants
Speaker 1: to be like Batman someone someone's I was just tired
Speaker 1: today after work and someone sent me a d M
Speaker 1: of is this you? And it's just a big pile
Speaker 1: of shit and big well no, it was basically like
Speaker 1: a picture of like you guys, like two ripped guys
Speaker 1: taking a mirror selfie and then there's like a middle
Speaker 1: aged Asian man you know, behind them both, and it's
Speaker 1: it's a little dark. But I was just like, I'm
Speaker 1: blocking this person, so I did it, But now I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: this person think of me as a bad person who
Speaker 1: and then they think, well he doesn't he's well, I know,
Speaker 1: but I know the real bowen ying behavior, which is
Speaker 1: that he blocks you if you d m him something
Speaker 1: that you think is funny, you know, like that. I
Speaker 1: think he's two online if that's the way they vote
Speaker 1: terminally online. Absolutely, and I'm gonna say I'm gonna say that.
Speaker 1: You know, the first time I was nominated for a
Speaker 1: Golden Globe, we went to the Golden Globes as a
Speaker 1: cast and I sat there in the time a television tier, right,
Speaker 1: because they put you back just to make sure you
Speaker 1: know you're a place, and uh, you gotta walk down
Speaker 1: a couple of steps. Yeah. God, that's exhausting. I've always
Speaker 1: been a two story house. Ever, I put my time
Speaker 1: in at the Golden Globes climate anymore. Um. And I
Speaker 1: looked around, and I do have a point so hanging there.
Speaker 1: I looked around and I saw like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: there's literally there's Tom Cruise and El Streep came up
Speaker 1: and say hello, like all these people were just incredibly
Speaker 1: starst at it, and you go, the first thought in
Speaker 1: my head was, boy, we're all lucky, lucky because because yes,
Speaker 1: everybody has talent whatever on some level, even the people
Speaker 1: that aren't famous, even everybody working in a place somewhere
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, we all have like, there's
Speaker 1: all talent, right, but we all got lucky. And I
Speaker 1: say that because so many people that I know could
Speaker 1: have played Jack, that our friends of mine, they could
Speaker 1: have just played Jack. Why it happened to me, I
Speaker 1: have no idea, because I got the right appointment on
Speaker 1: the right they at the right there. So whatever it is,
Speaker 1: and that's why I think, Uh, it can it can
Speaker 1: really really happen to anybody. I always stay to kids.
Speaker 1: When I talked to him in high school or college,
Speaker 1: I was like pointing to myself, if this idiot can
Speaker 1: make it happen, literally literally, anybody can't. It's true. Well,
Speaker 1: we could dispute that because you are an icon and
Speaker 1: it's so good. Um, but I understand the spirit of
Speaker 1: what you're saying, which is that there's so many I mean,
Speaker 1: and then and then wait really quick and then going
Speaker 1: and Matt having met now worked having been working in
Speaker 1: this business for for for now, I don't know however
Speaker 1: long you guys have been working. Is now that you've
Speaker 1: met famous people and now you are famous yourselves, don't
Speaker 1: you go, Oh, everybody's the same everybody, Like nobody's better
Speaker 1: than anybody, nobody's worse than anybody's just like all humans
Speaker 1: are all the same. Yeah, the stigma of like putting
Speaker 1: them on a pedestal. Right, it's just like, oh, you
Speaker 1: do what I do. I do what you do. Everybody
Speaker 1: does the same. We're on the same business together. Nobody's better. Yes.
Speaker 1: But what I find interesting is and what I think
Speaker 1: about when I think about smart List is that I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: these three people are from this like this this really
Speaker 1: great like time in I don't know the culture that
Speaker 1: I still do put up on a pedestal because I'm
Speaker 1: just like because now I'm like, oh, I'm like I'm
Speaker 1: like notorious right now at a time that's very like
Speaker 1: we're holy and like everyone's famous. Like that doesn't really
Speaker 1: mean much. Everything I just said back, I do it too.
Speaker 1: You say that, I think, like, right, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you Carol Burnet. It's crazy. Yeah, I feel like it
Speaker 1: just that gets passed down and like I I really do,
Speaker 1: like you know, I don't know, like when when Bateman hosted,
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't believe I'm like in this
Speaker 1: in the sketch with Jason Batemani know, like it's it's
Speaker 1: it's all these things that I think. Um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess it's a generational phenomenon. I think people people
Speaker 1: also over time become pros, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's another thing, is it's just you get good at
Speaker 1: at doing this thing that from when you were a
Speaker 1: kid was a dream. Like sometimes like sometimes I'll tell
Speaker 1: my parents about something I'm doing and they're like, wait,
Speaker 1: what That's so cool, And I'm like, oh, wow, that's
Speaker 1: I was just thinking of it as a work thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like and it's it's interesting like I remember being that like,
Speaker 1: you know, server in my early twenties, Like I would
Speaker 1: watch like the Emmy's from my restaurant job, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And and then like over time it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you think it seems so far away and
Speaker 1: you see the success feel so far away. And then
Speaker 1: like even going through like the UCB system and knowing
Speaker 1: people now in the entertainment industry, it's like there really
Speaker 1: is not that much difference from people that are working
Speaker 1: right now and people that are not, so I think that,
Speaker 1: and I don't say that to drag anybody. I just
Speaker 1: kind of say that to tell everyone that's out there
Speaker 1: still attempting this to hang in there, because because we aren't.
Speaker 1: It's not like it was back then where you had
Speaker 1: to be Carol Burnette to be Carol Burnett. Like now,
Speaker 1: it kind of like with this single, came of it
Speaker 1: all like you can just figure it out on YouTube.
Speaker 1: And I'm kidding, but like, you know what's funny I
Speaker 1: was gonna bring up. I was some reason I fell
Speaker 1: down like a YouTube wormhole last night of Jane Krakowski
Speaker 1: on Ali mcbeil singing the music in the Mirror like
Speaker 1: she did. They for some reason like let her sing
Speaker 1: music in the mirror from chorus line and she did
Speaker 1: the entire number, and I was like, this is a
Speaker 1: freak of nature talent that like broke through then and
Speaker 1: is still around. And it's the same with you. And
Speaker 1: we've also been talking about like you know, we we're
Speaker 1: watching and just like that and how like you know,
Speaker 1: we we are enjoying the show but really missed Samantha
Speaker 1: because Samantha Jones. It's yeah, so um like Samantha Jones
Speaker 1: and I on my point is like Samantha Jones and
Speaker 1: Jack McFarland, I think are the two iconic performances. That's
Speaker 1: what I would say. You're very sweet. Yeah we're rolling right,
Speaker 1: yeah the um we're still rolling. Yeah yeah, I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: Um so uh wait, what was gonna say? Oh it
Speaker 1: has something to say? Oh yes, when I I we
Speaker 1: have to I have to take some of that back.
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't kidding because when they were casting Jack's
Speaker 1: dad for Will and Grace, um, they wanted um John
Speaker 1: Ritter from Three's Company. I used to watch these company
Speaker 1: as a kid all the time. And he called me
Speaker 1: because he couldn't do it because it's schedu stuff, but
Speaker 1: he wanted to so bad so he called. That would
Speaker 1: have been perfect I know, perfect right, and because I
Speaker 1: was obsessed with his physical comedy. But I mean and
Speaker 1: and it was so wild to get that phone call.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh my god, I'm such a fan like
Speaker 1: of me. That's so crazy, yea, Sean, I mean, what
Speaker 1: do you think? It's like? That's what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get across, Like, you know, for someone like us, like
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you are you are everybody think they're not.
Speaker 1: They're not. They're not. But culture really culture number thirty,
Speaker 1: everyone's they're not. I think it's time to ask you
Speaker 1: on the question. We gotta okay, just cut. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: there's another question we have. We have another one, Sean Hayes,
Speaker 1: What is the culture that made you say culture is
Speaker 1: for me? This is like the pop culture. I mean
Speaker 1: you kind of answered this already with like depeche Mode
Speaker 1: and with the Smith's and yeah, well that's interesting. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm answering the question right. But um,
Speaker 1: when I was a freshman, I think in college at
Speaker 1: Illinois State University, one of the greatest universities in the country. Um,
Speaker 1: the song A Little Respect by Eraser the number one song,
Speaker 1: and um, do you know the song? Yeah, have a
Speaker 1: Little Respect? Yeah they they It's embarrassing how I discovered it,
Speaker 1: but it was in looking the series and I was like,
Speaker 1: what is this? Ever heard it before? I had never
Speaker 1: heard it before. Oh my god. Okay, So I remember
Speaker 1: being in freshman country that songs under Everybody loves Everybody
Speaker 1: in the country, Like it was nuber one song in
Speaker 1: America and it was number one song in England of course,
Speaker 1: Andy Bell, the lead singer of Eraser was Out, was
Speaker 1: again proud, proud out gay man in Yeah this is
Speaker 1: before Madonna's Truth or dare where a breath? Like? What
Speaker 1: are gay people? The other guy was The other guy
Speaker 1: was the Vince Vince Bell, Vince uh, Andy Bell and
Speaker 1: Vince Clark. Vince Clark was who wrote who wrote all
Speaker 1: the music for depeche Mode and yeah uh Vince Clark
Speaker 1: wrote just can't get enough yeah, and then he wrote, um,
Speaker 1: you know blue line dress for situation right, moving through
Speaker 1: the dome on the nation long time, been a long time.
Speaker 1: Now I get you some. Yeah anyway, so uh he
Speaker 1: would you guys just play the right for the rights
Speaker 1: to those or no no, no, no no, and I
Speaker 1: and and they and these things we have to take
Speaker 1: the right. Guys. We didn't make money of this week.
Speaker 1: We paid eight thousand dollars in music right if they had,
Speaker 1: if they had to do that for our podcast, we
Speaker 1: we would be bone and I would be in debt forever.
Speaker 1: And a lot of this is just us breaking out
Speaker 1: into song. Okay, good, I love it. Okay, So sorry
Speaker 1: for such a long answer to your question, but so no, no,
Speaker 1: so Vince Clark and just a little respect, Blue respect, lower,
Speaker 1: a little respect. So um, I was obsessed with the
Speaker 1: song and the and the group. And then of course
Speaker 1: and you meet your gay friends in college, like you're
Speaker 1: gay two and you're gay two and this is before
Speaker 1: internet and phones and everything. So, uh my friend Randy,
Speaker 1: one of my best friends, still funniest fucking guy ever, gay,
Speaker 1: proud out love him. He is like, you know that
Speaker 1: guy's gay. I'm like, who It's like the lead singer
Speaker 1: of the Raiser. I was like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like it didn't I couldn't comprehend that someone in the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry could make money at what they love to
Speaker 1: do and be out. And I was like floored by that.
Speaker 1: I was like, how is this guy have a job
Speaker 1: making albums? I don't understand. And so I'm sure the
Speaker 1: people before that that I don't not talking about. But
Speaker 1: for me, my awareness at eighteen and and I came
Speaker 1: out at eighteen too as well to my family and friends,
Speaker 1: and uh so that was just a big, big turning point.
Speaker 1: That's a great answer. It's a great answer. O. La
Speaker 1: Moore is like a song that I put on like
Speaker 1: every Pride playlist every summer. I was just like, this
Speaker 1: is a beautiful song. It's a it's it's like it's
Speaker 1: like a it's a literal love song, you know, it's
Speaker 1: rum Yeah. Every and then I would go to all
Speaker 1: the concerts and then I ran into him on Rose
Speaker 1: like and I was like, oh my god, and I go,
Speaker 1: what are you guys doing tonight? And he didn't know
Speaker 1: he was and he goes, uh, then he doesnt like
Speaker 1: five years ago, and he's like, how do you memorize
Speaker 1: all those what? All those lines? Not just it's like
Speaker 1: you do it all the time you sing your songs,
Speaker 1: you know. But anyway, Um, he was nice, he was nice. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you say like that visibility was so
Speaker 1: important to you and that it was like a turning point,
Speaker 1: because you said you you came out to friends and
Speaker 1: family when you're eighteen nineteen and and then when did
Speaker 1: you get when did you so? Will and Grace was
Speaker 1: your breakout? Right? Like, and at what point did that happen?
Speaker 1: Ten years after that? Ten years after that? So I'm
Speaker 1: assuming that you live life throughout your twenties like sort
Speaker 1: of like you know, being Sean who's the gayest person alive? Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and then you get this part, which is Jack who's
Speaker 1: capital G gay and you know, a threshold opens um
Speaker 1: in terms of television representation, and yet you still, because
Speaker 1: of the time period, have to sort of recede from
Speaker 1: that public. Yeah. I mean I didn't have to, but
Speaker 1: I didn't come out on a lot of people's terms
Speaker 1: because but we're also getting death threats and you know,
Speaker 1: mailed to the thing, and we would get letters like this.
Speaker 1: One woman sent us a letter, You're going to hell.
Speaker 1: But I love the show, and I was like what
Speaker 1: and so uh so it scared me. I was young,
Speaker 1: and I didn't have the d NA to be a
Speaker 1: spokesperson for the entire gay community. I still don't. I
Speaker 1: still don't want the job. I'm just a stupid, fucking
Speaker 1: dumb actor, you know, So I don't. I don't have
Speaker 1: the I'm not slick enough to be that person. I
Speaker 1: gotta say, like, this is what I've learned about myself
Speaker 1: at least or just about like being queer and like
Speaker 1: on a somewhat visible platform, is that I'm like people
Speaker 1: always in such bad faith, like misinterpret who you are,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I feel like when you were
Speaker 1: unwilling grace. The potential for that was probably, like you say,
Speaker 1: like we felt like it was it was, it would
Speaker 1: have been very dangerous for you. I truly believe this.
Speaker 1: I really believe that, Like, because people knew my address,
Speaker 1: people were coming to my house and I was so scared.
Speaker 1: I wasn't great. No no no, no, no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no. This is what I'm saying, is that, like
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, God, if you guys, if this
Speaker 1: general audience cannot handle like me, I've I've said, I've
Speaker 1: talked about this too much on this podcast. But if
Speaker 1: if a general audience has trouble like following me or
Speaker 1: making sense of like who I am when I'm on
Speaker 1: their TV, I'm like, I'm like okay, then like and
Speaker 1: the headline I think probably is, and this comes with
Speaker 1: age and wisdom and experience and building confidence and self esteem,
Speaker 1: is that the more you that you can be, the
Speaker 1: more successful you would be in all areas of life, relationships, jobs, everything.
Speaker 1: And so you know, it took it took me a
Speaker 1: long time to realize that. And so you know, again
Speaker 1: going back to the only live for five minutes, you know,
Speaker 1: we're only here for five minutes. It's like it's it's
Speaker 1: it's too exhausting, as you know, as we all know,
Speaker 1: live any other way. Yeah, what were you inter erased here?
Speaker 1: It was that? Was that around the same time as
Speaker 1: George Michael going solo? Or was that? Yeah? Uh? Was
Speaker 1: freedom Freedom? Yeah? What? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We went to an eighties parties this summer and my
Speaker 1: friends and I were like, fucking George Michael, Yes, he
Speaker 1: fucking like was out here sucking Dixon Bathroom was not
Speaker 1: getting a ship like Bravo, like we owe. I feel
Speaker 1: like we owe a lot to the eighties to like
Speaker 1: the get the Clear men in the eighties were like
Speaker 1: doing it. That's because the year that album, although George
Speaker 1: is out then but publicly in but that I keep
Speaker 1: going back to because it was Vogue came out and
Speaker 1: Madonna was such a huge, huge, huge thing, and I
Speaker 1: don't I feel like it was like you're saying, it
Speaker 1: was all kind of around the same time, late eighties
Speaker 1: early nineties that people just got fed up with with
Speaker 1: hiding in that way. But I also think, like, you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen it, because it's the fact is like I
Speaker 1: think that there's all this queer representation now, but you
Speaker 1: forget like that in terms of the grand scheme of
Speaker 1: things like that's like a blink of a nile, like
Speaker 1: like a like a second click on the talk, Oh
Speaker 1: my god on the talk, a second like tick on
Speaker 1: the clock of um, like history where it's been even
Speaker 1: okay to say that you are, you know, different in
Speaker 1: any way. And so I just can't imagine, like I
Speaker 1: get a little bit of a glimpse of what bowen
Speaker 1: Um goes through, like you know, in terms of like
Speaker 1: what he represents to people. I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's an absolute binary thing like it's it's it's if
Speaker 1: people get angry at you doing something. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like your brain process is it the same way?
Speaker 1: Sorry no, but I agree, But I think watching you
Speaker 1: on Saturday Night Live, it's it's it's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's because you don't make excuses, you don't make apologies.
Speaker 1: This is who I am, and the audience fucking loves
Speaker 1: you for it. Everybody loves that about not only you,
Speaker 1: but anybody who embraces themselves. And you did it. So
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody thinks about it. You imagine if
Speaker 1: Twitter was around, like when Will first started, people would
Speaker 1: have been it would have been insane people. It's like
Speaker 1: a zoo with no enclosures. Even today in the year
Speaker 1: of Our Lord too, when everyone knows better like suck.
Speaker 1: Did you ever like go on like a message would
Speaker 1: be like I wonder what the folks think of my performance?
Speaker 1: I mean we've all looked right, Yeah, just like like
Speaker 1: if somebody writes a hateful thing on like Instagram or something,
Speaker 1: all I do every time is I just go, I
Speaker 1: love you so much. Yeah. Yeah, they're like the short circuit.
Speaker 1: They don't know what to do with that. Well they
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yes, when you kill them,
Speaker 1: when when you kill him? Kindness? I mean, did anything
Speaker 1: fundamentally change when you guys brought it back, like in
Speaker 1: terms of did you just feel like you were just
Speaker 1: putting on? Yeah? No, I just felt like, well, you
Speaker 1: know the reboot you mean right, yeah, the we we
Speaker 1: we did that, um um what was it called the
Speaker 1: election video and so it was just got our point
Speaker 1: of view out. We hadn't seen each other since the
Speaker 1: show ended, and we did it all the crew did
Speaker 1: it for free. We did it for free. The writers
Speaker 1: that everybody came together in a secret um stage that
Speaker 1: was like it was like a stage underneath the building
Speaker 1: on the CBS Radford Lite, And and we shot this
Speaker 1: thing and we're like, by everybody, he was so great
Speaker 1: to see you, Oh my god, we haven't seen shin
Speaker 1: so long. And we kissed and we cried and it it
Speaker 1: was so fun. And then we put it online and
Speaker 1: it was like millions and millions and millions of people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're like what. And then so Bob Greenblad, who's a
Speaker 1: friend of mine, he was running NBC, was like, I
Speaker 1: think we should. Would you guys ever want to do
Speaker 1: this if we had Benner right here in this dining
Speaker 1: room I'm sitting at the dining room table like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. Yeah, everything's so sharp. It's like American Psycho.
Speaker 1: It's very scary the way. And we all ate here
Speaker 1: and we'll discussed it and we're just like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we talked about stories that we could do, and
Speaker 1: I think there's some unfinished stuff. So that's how that happened.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, anyway, god blast and we were all the
Speaker 1: better for it. Are you excited to go back to Chicago?
Speaker 1: It doesn't stress you out? Do you like going neck
Speaker 1: to Chicago? I love it. I love it. I love it. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's the great It's a great city. I love it
Speaker 1: so much. You know, so many friends there and family,
Speaker 1: and I just it's you love pizza. I love pizza.
Speaker 1: I love the Chicago food. It's so good. You love pizza.
Speaker 1: You love the ball games that really feel it as
Speaker 1: cigars come on? Absolutely, just beer, canned beer, Oh, the
Speaker 1: big old beers. I love those. Those are so amazing.
Speaker 1: You know. I actually just went to Chicago to do
Speaker 1: a show last last month. I was touring with the show,
Speaker 1: and I stayed in a hotel that was across the
Speaker 1: street from Wrigley Field. And there is that little boy
Speaker 1: in me that like had a sports dad that was
Speaker 1: like this is dark. Yeah, yeah, come on now, I
Speaker 1: mean it really is. It's like those things are like
Speaker 1: landmarks like Fenway Park Wrigley feel like these are just
Speaker 1: like a two minute walk or a minute walk from there.
Speaker 1: As boys town, yes, talk about balls, talking about you
Speaker 1: beat me to it. Let me tell you something. I'm younger,
Speaker 1: I'm quicker, and I'm coming up right behind you. Stupid bitch.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't never have emboldened me. Oh but guys, I
Speaker 1: can feel are wrapping up because I'm gay and sensitive.
Speaker 1: Uh no, no, no, no, we have to do I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, we don't think. Honey, what's that
Speaker 1: you're you're such a what you weren't you weren't briefed.
Speaker 1: We have a big segment coming up. It's called I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, it's the whole thing. Oh, do it,
Speaker 1: let's do it. I don't know what it is. Wait,
Speaker 1: why are you saying you were sensitive? No? Because I
Speaker 1: wanted to mention hypochondriactor. Oh wait, we would. We gotta
Speaker 1: mentioned hYP hypocondriactor. Tell talk to me about it. Wendesdays. Thanks.
Speaker 1: What's it called? Yeah, you have to Okay, overachiever? Okay,
Speaker 1: So he's a television I climbed that too, podcast hypocontractor.
Speaker 1: I do it with my friend Dr Pereca Wally, who's
Speaker 1: a stand up commedian and a certified doctor, like a
Speaker 1: incredible doctor, and she U. Because I'm obsessed with medical stuff,
Speaker 1: always have been. I would say, name a part of
Speaker 1: my body, anything on me, I have a story about it,
Speaker 1: except for my gall bladder and that was fine, But
Speaker 1: anything on my body, yeah, you can say. And it's
Speaker 1: a problematic one for so many people. Yeah. Right, But
Speaker 1: I love, love, love medical stories. So I asked David
Speaker 1: Leonherman once. I was like, you know, what do you
Speaker 1: what do you like talking about? So I can whenever
Speaker 1: I come And He's like, oh my god, always medical
Speaker 1: stories and me too for you specifically loves medical stories.
Speaker 1: H yeah, for sure. So I was I'm obsessed. So
Speaker 1: I was like, let's just start a podcast called I'm
Speaker 1: an actor was a hypochondriac, Let's call a hypochondractor and so, uh,
Speaker 1: we have guests come on and they talk about their
Speaker 1: medical issues and uh, it's it's just fantastic and we
Speaker 1: get to break it down and make fun of it
Speaker 1: and then be serious about it. Has have you guys
Speaker 1: talked about shingles yet? Yeah? Of course you got my
Speaker 1: single side. Don't get me started. What's your most iconic
Speaker 1: medical issue you've ever had? Ready for this, you buck.
Speaker 1: I woke up in two thousand seventeen, three days before
Speaker 1: the premiere of the reboot of Will and Grace. I
Speaker 1: think it's to my seventeen, and I was like, in
Speaker 1: three and three o'clock in the morning, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, my stomach hurts. Oh my god, my
Speaker 1: stock ds so bad. What is that? I'll just go
Speaker 1: back to sleep. Oh my god, first I thought, I
Speaker 1: thought what I thought? It was my fucking small intestine
Speaker 1: burst open and I had to have emergency surgery almost
Speaker 1: sucking died and shout where to God? They went in
Speaker 1: there they cut it out and they taped it back together.
Speaker 1: And I went on dr Oz to talk about it.
Speaker 1: You fuck, and I said, and I dr Oz goes.
Speaker 1: In all my experience, I've never heard this happening, because
Speaker 1: usually it happens in like the lower the large intestine,
Speaker 1: or the bowel, or the stock or the calling or whatever,
Speaker 1: but never in the small intestint right next to your stomach.
Speaker 1: So it was it was crazy. I could go about
Speaker 1: the whole. My god, that is yes. And then I
Speaker 1: took uh, can I stay the name of the drug?
Speaker 1: Say the name of every drug you've ever take? Stuff?
Speaker 1: I took oxy cotton. They put it on me for pain,
Speaker 1: for pain. I was like, not gonna work. I'm too
Speaker 1: sensitive to all jugs. I hate drugs. I'm not that
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. And they loved it. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. Yeah, no, no, I hated it. This
Speaker 1: is what's so fucking crazy is it fucking takes the
Speaker 1: pain away? Like I have no pain. I never knew.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was gonna work, and it worked,
Speaker 1: but you know what it does put me in a dark, dark,
Speaker 1: dark dark hole depression. Mass. I was like, I get
Speaker 1: you off this stuff. It's horrible. It's horrible, it really
Speaker 1: I've been on it a couple of times and it's
Speaker 1: it's crazy, the worst. It's the worst drug ever. Like
Speaker 1: the second time I had to get my I had
Speaker 1: a surgery on my nose and um, Like, my mom
Speaker 1: was like the second you don't need these, we're throwing
Speaker 1: them away. And I was like, I was like why,
Speaker 1: and she's like, because you're gonna get addicted to them.
Speaker 1: And then you put yourself in the face. You're like,
Speaker 1: oh it's still broken. I need them. Wait but wait
Speaker 1: a minute, I but really quick and then we can
Speaker 1: move on. I'm sorry. But the other thing this just
Speaker 1: happened to me last week. I had a call in uscopy.
Speaker 1: You guys, when you hit so you go underwrite to
Speaker 1: stick a camera. If you're asking this, I'm like, smiling
Speaker 1: maton camera. They stick it up there and right before
Speaker 1: you know, you go under, right, and um, I said
Speaker 1: right before I went under, I said, uh, whatever you
Speaker 1: do in touch my asshole? But come on. Uh so
Speaker 1: I went like I was sorry they were giving it
Speaker 1: to me, and I go, I'm really sensitive. Can you
Speaker 1: give me the probe fall or whatever that's not gonna
Speaker 1: be out? Like sure? And the body started shaking. That's
Speaker 1: a whole of this story because that was my reaction
Speaker 1: to the drug. And he's like, can you just try
Speaker 1: to relax? And I was like, yeah, I'm trying, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's just my reaction to the drug. And
Speaker 1: then the nurse goes, what did you think? And I
Speaker 1: go about what? And she goes about what just happened
Speaker 1: about the procedure. I go what, yeah you? I go,
Speaker 1: are you telling me you already did it? And she
Speaker 1: goes yeah. I go how long was I out? And
Speaker 1: she goes twenty minutes? I go twenty minutes? This is
Speaker 1: like fucking alien probe your time travel? Yeah, that's your
Speaker 1: time travel. It's crazy. Yeah, just crazy. Contractor every Wednesday,
Speaker 1: let's start. Okay, listen the podcast king listen to both
Speaker 1: smart Less on Mondays. Even though they really don't need
Speaker 1: more numbers to be honest with you. I feel like
Speaker 1: enough people listen, but were they got one? Dre and
Speaker 1: Amazon Musclet whatever um and Hypochondriactors is on Wednesdays, and
Speaker 1: that's you listen to that after you listen to Lost Culture. Okay, Culture,
Speaker 1: All right, let's go. This is I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: This is where we take one minute each to go
Speaker 1: off about something in culture to really have a polemic. Ready,
Speaker 1: So sean will each do one first, and then you'll
Speaker 1: you'll you'll you'll understand how and how it works. Okay,
Speaker 1: you say, I don't think so honey. Blank your your topic? Okay,
Speaker 1: So Matt, you want to go first? Okay, this is
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers. Don think so honey. As time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Jenny when of the Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of Salt Lake City. Okay, let me tell you
Speaker 1: something right now. You should have been fired because you
Speaker 1: were bad on the show. First of all, let's just
Speaker 1: get that out in the open. Is Jenny win good
Speaker 1: on the show? I don't think, so, honey. Our storylines fake?
Speaker 1: I do think, so, honey. Is do we upon and
Speaker 1: her grand scheme to like assume seem like a normal
Speaker 1: nice person we want to empathize with. I do think so, honey.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, Jenny Win. On top of
Speaker 1: all that, now these racist Facebook posts come out, cheering
Speaker 1: on like the mowing down of like protesters, like this
Speaker 1: is really really dark a pro Trump Q adjacent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of it, all of that. So we need to
Speaker 1: say goodbye to Jenny when when? Now? She needs to
Speaker 1: go because the real house on the Salt Lake City
Speaker 1: is in a disarray right now. We don't know what
Speaker 1: our casting look like next year, but I know it
Speaker 1: can't have Jenny and seconds Mary Cosby. Maybe we need
Speaker 1: you back. I don't know what to say, but the
Speaker 1: answer is I don't. And that's one minute. Sehan. Do
Speaker 1: you watch Salt Lake City? No, I don't watch that.
Speaker 1: I don't watch the house. You don't do any housewives.
Speaker 1: You would enjoy it, I think enjoy it. You would
Speaker 1: love it. You know? You know who loves to jam
Speaker 1: about the housewives is Molly? Oh really Molly, Molly loves Housewives?
Speaker 1: And Yang? Would you be ready with it? And I
Speaker 1: don't think so, Honny. If I said it was your time,
Speaker 1: I I would be. But also just the Jenny wine
Speaker 1: of it all like you said, deeply uncompelling reality show character.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. I was gonna say, like, you know,
Speaker 1: she seems like a perfectly nice person, but now we
Speaker 1: know that is no longer true either. I mean whatever,
Speaker 1: let's just keep going. I mean, you can't be both.
Speaker 1: You can't be boring as a housewife and bad as
Speaker 1: a housewife and ineffective on television and also a like
Speaker 1: like it goes beyond racist. The posts were like abhorrent,
Speaker 1: they were they were really bad. It was like it
Speaker 1: was like the crazy sis relative you have the person
Speaker 1: that influences them. That's how bad the Facebook posts were.
Speaker 1: So she's gotta absolutely go yeah, yeah, and that's going
Speaker 1: to have to happen asap. And I will stress she's
Speaker 1: also bad on the show. She's bad TV. She's not
Speaker 1: even funny. When now when now? When she got to go? Now? Um,
Speaker 1: so this is Bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: and his time starts now, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: One word names titles for anything, movies, restaurants, people, even
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to your restaurant called tough It.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see your movie called Arrival. Arrival
Speaker 1: doesn't apply to all movies. Let's just say, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk to you if your name is Greg, okay,
Speaker 1: better be Greg John, Gregg John, and then your last
Speaker 1: name is Jones. Seconds. I want more than one word
Speaker 1: in every single name title of everything, because guess what,
Speaker 1: my brain can handle it, I promise you, and so
Speaker 1: can most people's. Okay, do not underestimate your audience. Let
Speaker 1: them think just a little bit. Get the gray matter going, Oka, Beyonce,
Speaker 1: are you listening, Add the knolls back in, Add the knolls,
Speaker 1: Carter back in. I promise you will remember you. If
Speaker 1: you're good, we'll remember Yeah. And that's one minute. Wow. True,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy how you were like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to see her one name moving and then I say
Speaker 1: one film and it's sort of the thing. I swear
Speaker 1: to God, this is this is the first. The first
Speaker 1: moment that I felt this was when Disney decided to
Speaker 1: rename Rapunzel tangle. But that's not that's not a great
Speaker 1: example because punzel is also the one word. But oh no, Frozen.
Speaker 1: It was gonna be called the Snow Queen and then
Speaker 1: they changed it to Frozen. I was like, No, don't
Speaker 1: you know why they did that. It's a market things
Speaker 1: so that they so that it could be marketed to
Speaker 1: girls and boys. Yes, they didn't want that. Yes, I
Speaker 1: know why people do this because it's it's easier to remember.
Speaker 1: But I feel like we should start to move away
Speaker 1: from that as a culture. You know. I I like
Speaker 1: what you're saying. My personal favorite thing is when someone
Speaker 1: has three names. Absolutely, and that's to me, You're you're
Speaker 1: only it's gonna be that's gonna be my thing, not
Speaker 1: gonna think of something else, which is not what name
Speaker 1: Patrick Sean Patrick hay very good. I really started. Okay,
Speaker 1: Sean Patrick Hayes. This is this is Sean Patrick Hayes.
Speaker 1: Is I don't think so, honey. As time starts now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, people with three names. That's
Speaker 1: first of all, it's too exhausting. I'm too I get
Speaker 1: to the end, I'm already sleeping. I'm not tiring. And
Speaker 1: it's right, it's too much work. I think that it
Speaker 1: says something more about the person than the actual name.
Speaker 1: It says that you don't think you're good enough with
Speaker 1: just the two. Oh right, and you are. And I'm
Speaker 1: here to tell you. You are. There's no need for
Speaker 1: the three. Nobody has time, nobody thinks you're better. You're
Speaker 1: better than the other person with just two seconds, just
Speaker 1: more work. You better keep going. I don't need the time.
Speaker 1: He's still tired from saying all these three name names
Speaker 1: for all these years. He doesn't want to finish the
Speaker 1: rest of it. I don't think so, honey. And and
Speaker 1: that's from someone who used to be called Sean Patrick Hayes. Listen,
Speaker 1: you used to go by San Patrick hay then when
Speaker 1: I first started, and I was like, this is exhausting.
Speaker 1: I think it's I'm not gonna say it rings nicely,
Speaker 1: it's very theater. I changed that Sean P. Hayes. And
Speaker 1: then the middle initial is not is not a thing,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't know like there was because
Speaker 1: there's so many Matt rogers is in SAG when I joined,
Speaker 1: and they were like, do you want to still be
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers? You should change it? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not changing Matt Rodgers. I am Matt Rogers. And
Speaker 1: they were like you sure you don't want to be
Speaker 1: Matt are Rogers. And I'm like, listen to what you
Speaker 1: just said. What you just said, matt Are Rogers. No,
Speaker 1: let me laughed out of this town. Although I have
Speaker 1: been doing this thing lately where I've been actually absent
Speaker 1: mindedly introducing myself as Matthew, which I like. I like
Speaker 1: that Matthew Rogers. You know who I think is doing
Speaker 1: it to prank us. Who Samuel L. Jackson. It's just
Speaker 1: it just it just doesn't doesn't roll off that Nobody
Speaker 1: calls him that unless he's introduced as that on a time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's Sam Jackson, I think right like you probably know
Speaker 1: him Sam, Yeah, I do know him. He's such a
Speaker 1: nice guy. But does he do? Do you call him
Speaker 1: Samuel L? I call him Sam Sam yea yeah, do
Speaker 1: you ever call him Sammy? No? But my uh, one
Speaker 1: of my godsons is Sam Sammy? And I go, that's
Speaker 1: probably really a great thing to hear. Whenever he comes in,
Speaker 1: he because he just knows he's gonna just rolls his eyes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know this, actually you know who I'm realizing this
Speaker 1: this whole I don't think so how you just it
Speaker 1: is fully dragging and this is supposed to be an
Speaker 1: episode celebrating her. Is my sister. His name is Chelsea
Speaker 1: Ryan Rodgers her first name is Chelsea Ryan, which I
Speaker 1: think is the chicest thing, and then she she hates it.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, just Chelsea, and I'm like, Chelsea Ryan.
Speaker 1: It's too It's like it's like it's like Mary Kate,
Speaker 1: like our beth Am. It's like Chelsea Ryan. Just never
Speaker 1: Sarah Jessica um Well, listen. Hypochondriactor is out on Wednesdays.
Speaker 1: Smart List is out on Mondays, which is two days
Speaker 1: before that. Yeah, it sounds like a media diet to me. Thanks,
Speaker 1: thanks for the double lambs. Sorry god, sorry god, Listen.
Speaker 1: I would be remiss if I didn't say one more time.
Speaker 1: You really are the best, and it makes me so
Speaker 1: happy that you're you're in my life and you really did.
Speaker 1: You gave me such a give there with that role
Speaker 1: on Q for us, and I thank you for that.
Speaker 1: And you're just the best. And every time, every time
Speaker 1: I hear from you, and I just can't believe my life. Likewise,
Speaker 1: I love you. I'm I'm rooting for you and I'm
Speaker 1: mooting from you Bowen and I love you, guys, So
Speaker 1: we love you. You're You're, You're You're true hero. I never,
Speaker 1: I never, I don't really throw that word out. But
Speaker 1: I mean, you're really you really are, so thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us. Thank you guys. And we end every
Speaker 1: episode of this podcast, Believe it or Not with a
Speaker 1: song part noise Gallows Gallows, Um, what's the song? Bo
Speaker 1: but you gotta have baby? Wow? It really is. It's
Speaker 1: so like intense, so it's so toppy. Yeah, asking me
Speaker 1: to stay safe, please please please, that's um wow, but
Speaker 1: that you would smoke it all right, fire right,