1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Whatever your political affiliation is, it never hurts, whatever your 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: cause and life, to have the President support it. 3 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: We're looking forward to this. Jeffrey Lankov joining us right now, 4 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: Great Layd representing Pete Rose as his attorney and has 5 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 2: been very, very involved in this entire process with the 6 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: news that we find out Pete has been reinstated and 7 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: is now eligible to be a Hall of Famer as well. Jeffrey, 8 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: thank you so much for the time. I know it's 9 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: been a huge week. I'm going to open up the 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: floor here to start and just tell me how the 11 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: last forty eight hours have been for you. And did 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: that include some important phone calls? 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the getting the decision and the aftermath 14 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: has been tumultuous. Great, but hecktic all that, and then 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: giving the news to the family, and then you know, 16 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 1: flying last night, attending the event last night in Cincinnati, 17 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: and flying back this morning. 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: It's been a pretty crazy forty eight hours. 19 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 4: All right. I want to start at the beginning. How 20 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 4: did this all start? 21 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 5: How did you get involved with the Pete Rose case, 22 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 5: and how did this all start to where now he's 23 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 5: reinstated with a chance to go into. 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 4: The Hall of fame. 25 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a good question. 26 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: You know. I grew up in Montreal. I was a 27 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: big Pete Rose fan, but I had no intention of 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 1: ever sort of positioning him for reinstatement. But I got 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: to know him, and I produced a show on Fox 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: called Whip Around where Pete was the central figure. It 31 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: ended up winning the Emmy. I got to know Pete. 32 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: I got to know him bying his graphicsterior and started 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: to really get to know him as a person. I 34 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: did a book deal with him and then started and 35 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: then really in twenty fifteen, he wanted me to join 36 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: a legal team that he had some other lawyers of 37 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: her he knew, and I didn't like their approach to MLB, 38 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: so I didn't participate in that petition for reinstatement. And 39 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: then because that went awry, I sort of took it 40 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: amongst myself and said, you know, someone's going to have 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: to do it right. And it took me nine ten 42 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 1: years to do it right. 43 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 6: How would you have done it differently to start to 44 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 6: hopefully have gotten this happened before Pete passed away. 45 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. I've thought about that. You know, 46 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't in the room. When Pete in twenty fifteen 47 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: met with Manfred and his crew. You know, Commissioner Manford 48 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: is very sophisticated a lawyer, you have to come into 49 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: those meetings completely candid, understanding and be sort of remorseful 50 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: of what you've done in the past. I don't know 51 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: if Pete did that effectively or if that was done, 52 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: but he had an opportunity there, and because he lost 53 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: that opportunity, those opportunities don't come easily. With the missteps 54 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: that Pete did along the way post twenty fifteen, there 55 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: was a lot of cleaning up that I had to do, 56 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: a lot of shaping the narrative, a lot of understanding 57 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: what Giamatti intended, and then having productive, credible, honest conversations 58 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: with MLB. 59 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 4: Jeffrey. I was on whip Round. 60 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 5: You never got me a Joe, But I'm just need aja. 61 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: You didn't need reinstatements, not yet, not yet. 62 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's still life. It is still young. It's still young. 63 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 5: If some people would say that that I have so 64 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 5: it's fine, it's fine. Well, when you met with Manfred 65 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 5: this last time, you in Fawn, Pete's daughter, how does 66 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 5: that conversation go, because there's been a lot of pressure 67 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 5: politically and for people all over the world saying like 68 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 5: Pete needs to get back in How does that conversation 69 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 5: go with Manford because you mentioned he's a lawyer, but 70 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 5: Pete wasn't there to defend himself anymore. So it's basically 71 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 5: you and his daughter in there with Manfred saying here's 72 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 5: our case. Do you I don't even know how to 73 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 5: start them. 74 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: Right? Right? 75 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: Well, nor do I really so, because it's a unique 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: situation for anyone. But let me back up, because you 77 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: raise an excellent question, and I'll give you a foundation 78 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: understanding what happened. So for years before leading up to 79 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 1: the reunion event in Philadelphia, in what was a twenty 80 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: twenty one I think now twenty yeah, twenty twenty, twenty 81 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: twenty one, I was positioning Pete for a new narrative 82 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: that he wants this and he wants to get back 83 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: into good graces. And there were missteps by Pete public 84 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: where he makes comments that really don't position him well 85 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: for reinstatement. Because at the end of the day, Manford 86 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: has not just Pete to worry about, but has a 87 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 1: game to worry about, has precedent, future Hall of Famers 88 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: President Hall of Famers a lot of issues on his table, 89 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: and that's I'm not saying that because I'm supporting Manford. 90 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm telling you as a fact. So when we finally 91 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: sort of aligned on let's get a meeting on this, 92 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: I was going to go to the meeting alone, and 93 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: then it occurred to me to your point that you 94 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: know what's missing here is maybe a voice the family voice, 95 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: Fawn's voice on behalf of the family, on behalf of 96 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: the kids. And I brought that in and Fawn was 97 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: it wasn't prepared, but she spoke openly and honestly about 98 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: what this meant or family and how they've sort of 99 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: suffered through Pete's transgression or suspension. And I think that resonated. 100 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: The human element has to resonate with anyone. If you 101 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: met Fawn, she's an extremely likable, lovable person, and I 102 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: think that resonated with Manford, who who was really open 103 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: to hear the story. 104 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: This is a straightforward show, so I'm going to be 105 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: very straightforward with everyone about PXG. Fastest way to improve 106 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 2: your performance on the golf course is to get yourself 107 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: a PXG golf fitting. Go in there, and let the 108 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: experts help you. 109 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 4: I've been using PXG for a few years now. 110 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 5: Scotti. They are perfect. 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Like, 126 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 6: what would his reaction have been when this news came 127 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 6: out had he been still alive? 128 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 3: You know, everyone people have it wrong. 129 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: People think that he I mean, he did publicly bristle 130 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: at the Hall of fame and scoffed at it. But 131 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: that was a defense mechanism because he had been hurt 132 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: for so long, denial and sort of misapproaches, and you know, 133 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: the feeling that maybe Major League Baseball wasn't acting quick enough. 134 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 3: But all that is said, he would have been overjoyed. 135 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: He'd be clicking his heels, he would have been slapping 136 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: people in the back, he'd be telling everybody if he 137 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: would have seen the outpouring Look, I've been to many 138 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: sporting events. I'll tell you I've never seen sort of 139 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: the rock star status last night had in Cincinnati. How 140 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 1: they did it well, but more importantly, the emotional feeling 141 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: of the Cincinnati you know, D's nation. 142 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: So he would be overjoyed. 143 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 5: By the way the White Sox smacked him last night, 144 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 5: just saying sorry, sorry I smacked him. I'm sorry, I'm 145 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 5: sorry to ruin the night. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I 146 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 5: just couldn't know was rock stars the White Sox. What 147 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 5: do you do as as a lawyer, you know, agent, 148 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 5: when your client kept shooting himself in the foot with 149 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 5: some of the things he was saying and doing, did 150 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 5: you ever just want to grab Pete and say dude, 151 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 5: just stop talking, stop doing things to not help your cause. 152 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: AG. I think you were in many rooms with me. 153 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: It sounds like you were on a flight camera or something. 154 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 4: In one of those balls behind you. 155 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 156 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I did it. 157 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: I did it physically and in person many times. I 158 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: it's very difficult. You know, what made Pete great was 159 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: his head strong unique I'm going to like put everything 160 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: on the field. But once you get to know a 161 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: goat like that, you realize that they became who they 162 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: are and and and they are outliers different than any 163 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: human beings on earth because they have a singular different 164 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: approach to life. And Peach's approach was you know, he 165 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: if someone triggered him, he fought back. You know, he 166 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: grew up on the road, you know, on sort of 167 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: the poorer side of Cincinnati, and he had to struggle 168 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: a lot. So to him, I don't think he ever 169 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: escaped him being the blue collar guy that when you're 170 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: pushed you fight back. The one thing Pete wasn't really 171 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: good at, which a lot of folks are, he wasn't 172 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: good at being political. 173 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: Yeah that's fair, right, I understand, understand, I understand, Yeah, right, 174 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 2: understanders definitely matter. Okay, so so this part's important for me. 175 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: Time stand here, Jeffrey. So in twenty twenty two, after 176 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: receiving a letter from Pete asking for forgiveness, Rob Manford said, quote, 177 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: I believe that when you bet on baseball, from MLB's perspective, 178 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: you belong on the permanently ineligible list in my Then obviously, 179 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: fast forward and he thinks that determination must be made 180 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: on what permanently ineligible means. You know, obviously we're looking 181 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: at this like why now? So let's also remember a 182 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: few weeks ago Manfred talks to President Trump. Also, MLB 183 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: being in good graces with the government never hurts anti 184 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: trust exemption, basically illegal monopoly, among other things. Too, right, 185 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: you want to be friends with your local officials when 186 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: you're asking for money for a ballpark, et cetera. 187 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 3: How much do you think that factored into the decision? 188 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 3: Just now? It's let me tell you a couple of things. 189 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: First, whether you are whatever your political affiliation is, it 190 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: never hurts, whatever your cause in life, to have the 191 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: president support it. I would be foolish not to invite 192 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: or accept support from any fan official, and particularly the president. 193 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: President Trump was a fan of Roses. He was a 194 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: big baseball fan growing up, and he was a fan 195 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: of Petz before he became president, both first term and 196 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: second term. So the public, I definitely think that having 197 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: the president out there talking about the issue helps accentuate 198 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: the issue. But let's be clear, the petition preceded anything 199 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: Potus did, and Manfred had been open and we had 200 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: been discussing this matter for years. Manfred had allowed Pete 201 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: to come in long before any president whoever was in 202 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: office in twenty fifteen to be able to come in 203 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: and say, look, present your case. So I think Manfred 204 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: under stood at the end of the day that it 205 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: was never intended that the permanently ineligible list meant until 206 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: the end of the world, until end of time. It 207 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: meant for a specific, permanent, permanent time, excuse me in 208 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: permanent time, a specific time, and that the bigger issue 209 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: for Major League Baseball and Manfred what would be the 210 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: impact on the game. Certainly, as Pete age, there was 211 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: no further impact. He wasn't going to be a player. 212 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: He didn't want to coach. What Pete really wanted to 213 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: do was be a minor league coach. But he would 214 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: have no more impact, So there was a clear line 215 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: of legitimate authority to be able to argue that the 216 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: ineligibility ends upon your lifetime. 217 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 5: Okay, that's fair, that's fair. I have two questions for you. 218 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 5: First of all, what do you say to people like 219 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 5: myself that don't think Pete should ever get into the 220 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 5: whole of thing. That's my opinion, I know, and you 221 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 5: have a different opinion, and I'm fine, But like for 222 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 5: me as a former player, he broke the cardinal rule 223 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 5: and that's it, right, and I don't think and I 224 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 5: know he still has to get in. But what do 225 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 5: you say to people like me that think he should 226 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 5: never get in. 227 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I respect your opinion. You're allowed 228 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: your opinion. Your opinion matters actually because you gave it 229 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: all in the field you played, and you're from a 230 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: perspective that's different than I you know who played you know, 231 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: little league ball. 232 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 3: But let me answer your question directly. 233 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: While I respect your opinion, I think that the hall 234 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: is a hall of really what you brought to the field. 235 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: It's not ultimately a hall of moral turpitude, ethics. 236 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 3: And people can argue that it is. 237 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: But if you go that route to analyzing the human 238 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: frailties of each admission, of each potential admit. He then 239 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: you got a real problem. Then you may only have 240 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,119 Speaker 1: five six guys in the hall because everyone made mistakes, 241 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: everyone has good and bad that they've done. And if 242 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,959 Speaker 1: you go through the Hall of Fame's roster, those plaques 243 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: and you walk through that really special room, there's a 244 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: lot of folks that have some baggage. And I think 245 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: that you should have a hall that represents the game. 246 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: And when you're talking aj about what someone brought to 247 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: the game, I think as a player you would agree, 248 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: though certainly, that what Pepe brought to the game, what 249 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: he physically brought to the game, both in his accomplishments, 250 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: achievements and the mere passion and will, is completely Hall 251 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: of Fame worthy. But I respect your argument, and I 252 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: understand the argument. I just think that it's a hall 253 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: that if you're going to tell the story of the game, 254 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: you got to include him. And I think there you 255 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: and I think you got to consider what to do 256 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: with Clemmens, Bonds and the rest of the folks. Because 257 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: the issue sitting out there, let's end it one way 258 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: or the other. 259 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 5: O I agree that nobody's perfect and everyone there's a 260 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 5: lot of Trust me, there's a lot of dudes in 261 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 5: there that did a lot of things that are not 262 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 5: legal and all that. 263 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 4: I get it. It's fine. I just wanted your perspective. 264 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 4: We're not going to get it. 265 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 5: We don't have to get into a discussion on it now. 266 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 5: The next thing is twenty twenty seven is when Pete's 267 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 5: eligible for the Hall of Fame. 268 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 6: The next vote. 269 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 5: What does the mood change for everybody? Everyone's excited, Oh, Pete, Pete, Pete. 270 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 5: What happens if he doesn't get into twenty seven? Does 271 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 5: that change anything in your opinion on his chances or 272 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 5: how people feel about this subject? 273 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 274 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: I think I think the newer, the fresher the issue is, 275 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: the more people are going to pay attention to. 276 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,479 Speaker 3: I think if he goes first. 277 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: Round or whatever ends up being decided, sorry as to 278 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: the voting, then I think that's going to be that 279 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: could Hamper's chances. 280 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: But I'm not really looking that far ahead. 281 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm really looking at the fact that how do you 282 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: make the argument now that he is appropriate and should 283 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: be in there. 284 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 3: That's what I'm focused on. 285 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: My last one here for you, Jeffrey, is you know 286 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: any conversations that you had besides obviously with the commissioner 287 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: that have stood out throughout this entire journey. 288 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 4: You know. 289 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: A lot of folks, and I'll sum up rather quickly 290 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: because we're living on time, I bet, but I'll tell 291 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: you that he has always been gracious. There's a guy 292 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: in that office named Pat Courtney who's been incredible, Dan Halem, 293 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: I haven't had one moment where they haven't been willing 294 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: to listen. It's not like I say that, it's not 295 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: like they've given me everything I wanted. I've had to 296 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: go through nine years of it. But they've been professional 297 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: and willing to listen to me at all times. 298 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: Jeffrey, really appreciate the insight and the time, and note 299 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: it's a busy time. So this is the Baseball Show, 300 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: right TV pod, the whole deal that you know a 301 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: lot of people look to for these kind of real conversations. 302 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 3: So thank you for joining us. 303 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: Really appreciate it, and at least for now, say I mean, 304 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 2: I think it's it's worthy congratulations on the accomplishment here 305 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 2: to actually get this across, because I know it was 306 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 2: a difficult case. 307 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: I appreciate guys, you guys, have a great show. I'll 308 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: be getting him in despite aj but we'll talk again. 309 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 4: It's okay. 310 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 5: Hey, listen, I respect you, I respect a job you did. 311 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 5: And listen, I respect Pete as a player. Some of 312 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 5: the you know, the things he did after that it 313 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 5: is not my thing. But as a player, Pete was 314 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 5: one of the greatest. 315 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 4: So yeah, you know what. Good luck to him in 316 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame. 317 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 5: But you know, and I appreciate you coming on and 318 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 5: discussing it because it's a big it is a big 319 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 5: news story and you were in the heart of it. 320 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 5: And I always like to hear the inside stuff of 321 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 5: how things go down because that's what's to me, that's 322 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 5: what the intriguing and the important part is is how 323 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 5: do we get from A to B. Don't tell me 324 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 5: A or B, tell me how we got there. And 325 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 5: to hear you what you said, it was awesome. 326 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 3: Thank you, guys, be good, Thank you you too. Appreciate you. Jeffreed. 327 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: Bye bye, guys, Bye bye.