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Speaker 2: RENEE Today?

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Speaker 3: On the podcast, we have one of my favorites, one

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Speaker 3: of your favorites, and most importantly, you went on Twitter

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Speaker 3: and solicited who are podcast listeners would like to hear from?

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Speaker 3: Mary Carilla.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was amazing when we asked everyone, who do

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Speaker 4: hear those so keep them coming. But Mary Carillo was

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Speaker 4: the number one person that people want to hear from,

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Speaker 4: and I think the reason that people wanted to hear

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Speaker 5: You're going to get today, stories about tennis.

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Speaker 4: She'll tell you this story about Billy Jean King Wimbledon

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Speaker 4: that ll just I mean had us in tears because

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Speaker 4: it's so funny, and it also just depicts her as

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Speaker 4: a human being that she loves the game of tennis

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Speaker 4: so much, but her passion to make things fun and informative,

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Speaker 4: and you know, just I mean, she's really is my

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Speaker 4: to emulate. She's liked by everybody, She's admired by everyone

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Speaker 4: I just I love it so much and She's the

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Speaker 4: reason I'm doing television is because of Mary Carilla.

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Speaker 6: She pushed me to do the job. I mean, I

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Speaker 6: can't even talk because I adore so much. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 6: same goes here. I say it in the podcast, but

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Speaker 6: it's true. I am a student of Mary Carilla's. I've

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Speaker 6: watched what she's been doing for years. Her Olympics coverage

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Speaker 6: is amazing. You were going to want to listen to

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Speaker 3: Because I literally have told people the Villaging King story

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Speaker 3: probably four times since I heard it, and you now

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Speaker 3: get to do the same. So listen up to our

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Speaker 3: episode with V one and only.

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Speaker 5: As I liked Acola Carilla.

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Speaker 2: So here's what I want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Three things can Can they be yes or no answer? Well,

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Speaker 1: my first answerest is twelve. All right, that's my first answer,

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Speaker 1: no matter what your question is, Well, twelve I like it.

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Speaker 1: And then sorgum. That was always a good answer I thought,

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Speaker 1: like in high school, like favorite additive sorghum.

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Speaker 4: Is this going to be a nightmare for me because

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Speaker 4: I'm sitting in between two people that are waste way

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Speaker 4: So they're going to pull out question they're going to

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Speaker 5: That's my point.

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Speaker 2: That's it's my problem today.

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Speaker 5: This is my problem today.

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Speaker 4: I want to know how you got into broadcasting outside

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Speaker 4: of because what people don't realize about you is that

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Speaker 4: you were a very good player in your own right.

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Speaker 1: I have a photos, a nice way to describe my

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Speaker 1: pointy headed career.

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Speaker 5: No, but I mean a lot of people don't realize.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of people in broadcasting and

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Speaker 4: they think they just because you have this great broadcasting

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Speaker 5: But I mean, what happened? I mean I sort of know.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, So I was at the Year End Championships

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Speaker 2: Did they know you were did they they?

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Speaker 5: Hey, didn't they know what they were getting?

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Speaker 1: Did they know what they were getting into? Absolutely not? No,

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Speaker 7: Three hours later my batteries ran out of the microphone.

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Speaker 5: They decided I said, I think she should be on me.

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Speaker 1: There was a guy from USA Network named Mark Stolberger

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Speaker 1: I lost in about fourteen minutes over on court four

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Speaker 1: to start doing some tennis matches. You know, do you

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Speaker 1: So she Wait, do you call her Renee?

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Speaker 2: I don't call her Stubbdy, You don't call her subject.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe the nicknames Mary?

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Speaker 1: Before I want you, I want you to answer questions.

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Speaker 5: We're calling a match.

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Speaker 2: You making egg bread and so cheap with Maria Sharapova.

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Speaker 2: Can we expect our next the French open accordion music.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Well, I say both. I have no real juice.

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Speaker 1: So here's what happened. Yeah, So we were working together

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Speaker 4: with Tennis Channel. And then so so we bring it

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Speaker 4: is you could do dumb ship like this, Let's see

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Speaker 3: Well, what I was going to say before we got

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Speaker 3: Obviously the greats La La umpires the single most popular

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Speaker 3: response Mary Carla.

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Speaker 4: That you've been you've been rained in on television and

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Speaker 5: And Billy's reaction if you get.

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Speaker 2: It was just seen as a different thing.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: The Australian opens that she racked up came at a

445
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Speaker 3: time when people, you know, I'm not sure planes.

446
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Speaker 7: Flew that far, so not that many people played it.

447
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Speaker 3: So I'm just asking because I feel like I should ask,

448
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Speaker 3: and you seem like the best person I could possibly ask,

449
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Speaker 3: short of maybe Margaret.

450
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Speaker 1: Who court herself.

451
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Speaker 2: Are the goal posts moving? Did they move?

452
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Speaker 3: Did people all of a sudden think twenty four was

453
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Speaker 3: more important or was it just another thing that Serena

454
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Speaker 3: could then conquer because we want to.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look, no one's ever gonna touch Margaret's

456
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Speaker 1: Grand Slam record. She's got sixty two titles, sixty four

457
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Speaker 1: if you count the fact that in two of them

458
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Speaker 1: it got rained out, so they split the title, all right.

459
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Speaker 1: So she played singles, doubles and mixed doubles. No one

460
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Speaker 1: is ever, no tennis player who plays now is ever

461
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Speaker 1: going to play singles doubles a mixed Yeah, and when

462
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Speaker 1: is bunch as Margaret Court. So that's that's untouchable, and

463
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Speaker 1: that's fine. And yes, she played at a time when

464
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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of players, a lot of

465
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Speaker 1: the draws were soft because she played a lot of

466
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Speaker 1: fellowality's whatever. But when people talk about about Serena, you know,

467
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Speaker 1: I think Serena's getting plenty of credit, frankly, and and

468
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Speaker 1: I think she's still got a couple more major wins

469
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Speaker 1: in her I mean, I really, I'd be surprised if

470
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Speaker 1: she didn't win more majors. I'm not convinced she can't

471
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Speaker 1: win this and we're only in the second round. So

472
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Speaker 1: but honestly, the greatest match player I ever saw ever

473
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Speaker 1: was Monica Sellis. Monica Monica Sellis was the greatest match

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Speaker 1: player ever. I thought she was going to be the

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Speaker 1: greatest of all time.

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Speaker 3: Tell me what match player made just in terms of

477
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Speaker 3: she never took off one point.

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Speaker 1: Yep. She had an unbelievable ground game. She had an

479
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Speaker 1: incredible mind, and she she had to. She stopped with

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Speaker 1: an I major. She got one more after she got stabbed,

481
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Speaker 1: and of course Sephi off one a lot of majors

482
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Speaker 1: in her absence that I'm going to assume Monica could

483
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Speaker 1: have won. So I think she is lost in the

484
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Speaker 1: mists of history more than just about anybody. She was

485
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Speaker 1: a good here and I love watching Serena play. I

486
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Speaker 1: love watching her compete. Even when she's not playing well,

487
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Speaker 1: she competes well. It's a lot of fun. But I

488
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Speaker 1: used to do Monica Sellas matches. I mean, I I'm lucky.

489
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Speaker 4: I didn't we did her, which we did come back, man,

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Speaker 4: We certainly did with ESPN in Canada.

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Speaker 1: Yep. It was a rotten match, unfortunately for UTS because

492
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Speaker 1: it was I think it was the first time we

493
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Speaker 1: ever worked together, and it was over in twelve.

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Speaker 5: She bit no. That was the Mary, that was matches

495
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Speaker 5: mixed up. We haven't had crappy matches entertaining enough.

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Speaker 1: Well, we tried. But all I'm saying is when I

497
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Speaker 1: would do a Monica Sellas match, the first set stats

498
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Speaker 1: would come up and it would say nineteen winners one

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Speaker 1: hour from Monica Sellace. I mean, Serena can hit a

500
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Speaker 1: lot of winner shoe everybody getting a lot of winners.

501
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 1: But they also hit a lot of their Yeah. But

502
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Speaker 1: that was what was absolutely amazing about Sellings was how

503
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Speaker 1: big she went on every shot she took and it

504
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Speaker 1: was like Camilla Georgie with no errors and.

505
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Speaker 2: It seems crunchy.

506
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Speaker 4: Hold on a second, tell me tell me the where

507
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Speaker 4: Tennis lost out because obviously you know, you know through

508
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Speaker 4: the periods because.

509
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Speaker 5: No, no, because I've sat I sat.

510
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Speaker 2: Let me just note for the record, neither of these

511
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Speaker 2: leaders I'm sitting next to. It looks good day over forty,

512
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, I'm sixty one.

513
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Speaker 4: You tell me how Tennis lost one of the truly

514
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Speaker 4: great rivalries because I sat through a lot of those

515
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Speaker 4: matches with Stephie and Monica. When when the stabbing happened,

516
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Speaker 4: and that was going to be amazing, I was standing

517
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Speaker 4: there the day that that happened.

518
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Speaker 1: Actually, oh, you were there in Germany.

519
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Speaker 4: I was playing doubles with Stephie in Hamburg when that happened.

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Speaker 5: So that's a memory the day I will never forget.

521
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Speaker 5: I was a part of that. I spoke to Monica

522
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Speaker 5: in the morning of that.

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Speaker 4: We'll get into that at a different time but on

524
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Speaker 4: a different podcast. But Monica sell us to me, Like

525
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Speaker 4: you said, Mary, one of the greatest, truly greatest matches

526
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Speaker 4: I ever watched was the ninety two French Open final

527
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Speaker 4: and to me, Stephie was one of, if not the

528
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Speaker 4: greatest match players I ever saw, as far as every

529
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Speaker 4: point was next point, next point, next point. They never

530
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Speaker 4: worried about now when he went for the towel. I mean,

531
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Speaker 4: watch that match. No one went for a towel, no

532
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Speaker 4: one took time outs, stubbs, it was point by point.

533
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Speaker 5: Tell me how great that rivalry was and what we

534
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Speaker 5: missed out on.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what I'm saying. That to me, that would

536
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Speaker 1: have been, that would have been right up there with

537
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Speaker 1: with with Christia Martinez and Rapha and Roder. I just

538
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Speaker 1: thought that was that was an absolutely tragic glass shows

539
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Speaker 1: that that that that got stopped. Can I tell you though,

540
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Speaker 1: I called a lot of graph matches and the I

541
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Speaker 1: loved how quickly she played, and no nonsense, it between

542
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Speaker 1: points to the and it got but it gets to

543
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Speaker 1: the point where we couldn't get in replays she was

544
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Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, it was, there was something awesome

545
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Speaker 1: about it. But then she'd hit this ridiculously huge forehand

546
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Speaker 1: with her feet flying out of her shoes, and there

547
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Speaker 1: we got to show that we didn't have how great

548
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Speaker 1: was Here's Ralpha taking forty seconds between points of time out.

549
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Speaker 4: We're implementing a time clock in tennis to stop the

550
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Speaker 4: rafi on the dolls forty seconds and the Maria Sherripov

551
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Speaker 4: is going back and fiddling with the strings and getting.

552
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Speaker 5: The towels and all this, and back in Stephian Monica's.

553
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Speaker 1: Day, you could't get it.

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Speaker 5: You couldn't get in the replay. So don't tell me

555
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Speaker 5: you can't play quicker in all of your areas of

556
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Speaker 5: watching Stuffy play.

557
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Speaker 3: How many times did she come over her back hand?

558
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Speaker 5: Oh, she hit one to win a Grand Slam against Martina.

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Speaker 4: I believe at Wimbledon she she hit over her backhand

560
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Speaker 4: when someone came into the nan and she was under

561
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Speaker 4: the pump, and I'll tell you she very rarely missed it.

562
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Speaker 5: She very rarely missed her over backhand.

563
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Speaker 4: But slice backhand would be on in these day and age,

564
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Speaker 4: with everyone's grips the way they are her, her slice

565
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Speaker 4: would be a nightmare. There's a reason why Robert ta

566
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Speaker 4: Vinci could be top, you know, fifteen in the world

567
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Speaker 4: because no one sees a slice anymore.

568
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's underutilized shot.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Mary had one, That's all I had.

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Speaker 4: Who was your favorite player other than you talk about Monica?

571
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Speaker 4: Because I mean, who's.

572
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Speaker 5: Your favorite player? First of all? Commentate?

573
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Speaker 4: Second of all, who who is someone that you would

574
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Speaker 4: like to see do really well?

575
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Speaker 5: Now that we could see more.

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Speaker 1: Of I can't pick a favorite player because normally it's

577
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Speaker 1: the matchup that that gets you.

578
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 5: Gets your favorite match up, then let's go with that

579
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Speaker 5: because I feel the same way. Well, women's tennis.

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Speaker 1: Mentone women's tennis matchup I need, I like someone I

581
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Speaker 1: love power going up against variety. So give me that

582
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Speaker 1: matchup any day of the week.

583
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Speaker 2: Yesterday, Osaka Klaska.

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Speaker 1: How was it?

585
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Speaker 2: Amazing?

586
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Speaker 1: Tremendous rightness, You've got.

587
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Speaker 3: A nineteen year old you know, boss machine trying to

588
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: hit on hours in Asaka, and she's got slice Porians.

589
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 4: And then you've got Nikolaisaku who's just driving you nuts.

590
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 4: The most annoying tennis play in the world to play against.

591
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Speaker 1: Julia put and say that, can I can I put

592
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Speaker 1: in for her? That is? And I love watching Putsi

593
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Speaker 1: as you can. I watched her play last night we

594
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: finished up. She is, I mean put how annoying she

595
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: wins like ten eight in the third matches and throws

596
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Speaker 1: herself on the ground and it is jumping up colossal

597
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: pain in the cayster, but plucky and annoying. N corn

598
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: An the drama queen. Yeah, we have a lot of those.

599
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: We have a lot of those.

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you who I watched last year?

601
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Speaker 3: Actually, just right down here, Georgie Corney, Ah.

602
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Speaker 2: You got the dad coffee on the serves?

603
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Speaker 5: You got?

604
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Speaker 1: Was he really coughing during the Stars? I know he

605
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: was accused of that.

606
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: He was accused of it two matches later doing it against.

607
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Speaker 1: Corner hocking up Loogi's you got you got?

608
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: Cornee appealing to.

609
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Speaker 3: All about the matchups. Anybody, It's all about anybody falls

610
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 3: follows an individual player. Sure find have your favorites, but

611
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: the matchups are really.

612
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Speaker 1: Well, that's why we haven't had great, necessarily great Serena

613
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: Beinus matchups. No, you know that. And they're fraught anyway,

614
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: obviously because they're so close.

615
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Speaker 2: And playing your sister's got to be such a that's

616
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: got to be crazy.

617
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Speaker 7: But Justine Anna, we had a whole story in the

618
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Speaker 7: second or third issue.

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Speaker 1: About what I love watching her.

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Speaker 3: What it could have been and because those matches were

621
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Speaker 3: compelling and they were close, and I got more than

622
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Speaker 3: a few.

623
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Speaker 1: Which she knocked out. I remember I seem to remember

624
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Speaker 1: a year where Enna beat her, beat Serena in like

625
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: three straight Grand Slam quarterfinals. I think you're right, Yeah,

626
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Speaker 1: I think that. I think that happened. That would have

627
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Speaker 1: been great and flies back in.

628
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know her ability to come in variety is

629
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Speaker 4: so important. Do you think variety will ever come back

630
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 4: into tennis?

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Speaker 1: I do. I'm optimist. I'm optimistic, Okay, I really am.

632
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: Why because because it's gotten to the point where you

633
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: can kind of It's why I love tennis. You can

634
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: play anyway. You can be short, you can be tall,

635
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: you can be powerful, you could be handsy, you could

636
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: you know, let's not be hands down, hands down and

637
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: under the right very good. No, I mean you can.

638
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: You can play any kind of game you want. And

639
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: I would like to think that at a certain point,

640
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 1: power does not dictate everything. And I think we are

641
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: at a certain point. I think people will realize how

642
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: beneficial it is to get to the net. Again. I

643
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: blame I have a theory. It's half baked that what's

644
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: our favorite kind. My theory is that the two handed

645
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: backhand killed certain volutis. I agree. Do you really want

646
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Speaker 1: to know something?

647
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: I played college Tennessee one with two hands a year ago.

648
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: I switched to one just for fun. And my game

649
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: is I'm in the net. She's played with me constantly.

650
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: I just want to get in and my grip's right there.

651
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: And you see these young guys. We were just talking

652
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: about t pass team love him. You know it's coming back.

653
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,239
Speaker 3: It is coming back. I'd like to see it more

654
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Speaker 3: on the women's side. I don't know if that's ever

655
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Speaker 3: gonna happen A bit different. The problem with the women

656
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: is they don't have the strength when they kids. But

657
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 3: I think that's on coaches to say a stick with it,

658
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: you're gonna lose and get your ass kicked for a year.

659
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: But when you finally figure it out, you're gonna have

660
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Speaker 3: that slice.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna have that.

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Speaker 4: It's also a gay theory. It's my gay theory.

663
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Speaker 5: It's not a it's not all.

664
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Speaker 4: I don't want to put a blanket statement on it,

665
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 4: because when I want everyone out there freaking out, here's

666
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: probably some parents out there.

667
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: The kids.

668
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 5: Their daughter's going out eating one hand and oh my god,

669
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 5: she's gay.

670
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 4: Like it's not, but it's a two handed back man.

671
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Speaker 1: Oh and she's coming to the net to well.

672
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Speaker 3: No, Well, you were on one of my favorite podcasts,

673
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: No Challenges Remaining for the podcast with Recket contributors Courtney

674
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: When and Ben Rabinberg, and you had this incredible and

675
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Speaker 3: I think this should be adopted.

676
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: Maybe it's like a political platform.

677
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: Tell me serving involving as a religion, as a as

678
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: a political viewpoint, serving.

679
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: As a How about a request for serving involving once

680
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 4: every game.

681
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: As a must kid? No, that's no. My whole point

682
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: is you can play it anyway you want. You can't

683
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: make somebody servant bally. My point is that my point

684
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm convinced I have one somewhere, is that like I'm

685
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: a lefty. The late great Harry Hoptman coached me for

686
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: many years, and his whole point was, it's much under pressure,

687
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: it's much easier to hit a volley than to pass.

688
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: That made utter sense to me, and so I had

689
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: a lefty servant volley game.

690
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Speaker 5: When you had backhand.

691
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: It's just pretty No, it was my forehand that was

692
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: even donder. My forehand was just shocking, shocking, shocking. But anyway,

693
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: so the whole point was he would basically say, you

694
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: take your lefty serve, you serve into their backhand. You

695
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: come in, you pop and knock off the volley, hide

696
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: your groundstrokes at all costs.

697
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

698
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: Fine, And then two handed backhands got big, and for

699
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: so many players, their backhand is that's the last place

700
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: in the world you want to aim and try to

701
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: get tonta, especially in the women's game, especially in the

702
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: women's game, and that, to me, has just kept so

703
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: many people from wanting to come in. And I think

704
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: that's a pity as well.

705
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 4: And also, let's not forget the speed of the courts.

706
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 4: They've slowed them down a tremendous amount.

707
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Speaker 5: I mean, look at Wimbledon here, you know this year

708
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 5: is going to play.

709
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 4: It is playing from what I've heard, faster, but the

710
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: ball's bouncing higher. I mean, back in our day, Mary,

711
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: we'd come in on a great slice back and it

712
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 4: would be.

713
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Speaker 1: Come in on anything.

714
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 4: We talk about bluff jeez, chip and bluff, chip and

715
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 4: charge and chip and hope.

716
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 5: You know. But the ball stayed low, so it couldn't

717
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 5: you couldn't really generate.

718
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: You had to still hit up over the net first,

719
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 4: which if you're at the.

720
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Speaker 5: Net, it's a volley down.

721
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 4: Nowadays, with the spin and the ball being high, the

722
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 4: ball is actually getting below the net. As a volleyer

723
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: now you have to be a defensive volier or hit

724
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 4: a great volley. So the court speed and the rackets

725
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: and everything, let's changed the game.

726
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: But here's here's the other point. And I used to

727
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: teach a lot. Now every now and then I'll give

728
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: a clinic. But what I try to tell people is,

729
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: especially with all the power in this game these days,

730
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: with men and women, you don't have to be a

731
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: great volume. You have to be a good voluyer. So

732
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: you have the you can come in, well, no, you

733
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: can come there, you come in. And so many people

734
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: have such weight to their shots, approach shots to get

735
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: in like I wasn't.

736
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 5: I didn't.

737
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: I came in on bluffs, So I actually had to

738
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: be My hands were the best part of my game.

739
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: If if I had a huge approach game, I would

740
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: just need to be a serviceable voluer, right because you

741
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: get and I watched so many of the men and

742
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: the women. I'm thinking, how can you not come in

743
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: on that?

744
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 5: Oh god, all right, all that I told you and

745
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 5: I do it in the ground in.

746
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 7: Caroline.

747
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 4: They don't, but you can, but again they don't.

748
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: You don't have to be a great voluer at these

749
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: days with this game, with the power, you have to

750
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: be just a smile and and and and especially with

751
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: the way people can hit. It's a one volley deal.

752
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: It's not like you're you know, you're you're you know,

753
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: you're not a goalkeeper. Hit one Bali kid and huge

754
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: shot and hit one Ballei.

755
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean.

756
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 4: Radwanska is a typical sort of you know, she's got

757
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 4: through her career really doing that, and she.

758
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 5: Doesn't even come in on anything big.

759
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 4: She just comes in and understands that there's middle of

760
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 4: the court is where people want to play on a

761
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 4: big point and somebody who I really.

762
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 5: Always respect was Hingus.

763
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 4: If you watch Hingas play big matches, and it cost

764
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 4: her one slam, which I'll never tell her this story

765
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 4: because she'll probably have nightmares about it.

766
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 5: But she used to do what so.

767
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 4: Many players should do and some do, serve that flat

768
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 4: wide serve on a big point meaning set point, break point,

769
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 4: match point, because every single player is going to most

770
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 4: of the time hit that return through the middle of

771
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 4: the court, take away the line, take away the error,

772
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: and they're going to go big through the middle, which

773
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 4: is the right shot to hit under pressure. But if

774
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 4: you're coming into the net, that's right.

775
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 5: At you as a volley.

776
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 4: And she used to hit that flat wide serve and

777
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 4: come in and hit that inside little Scooper volley into

778
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 4: the open court point over, and players would be like,

779
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 4: where did that come from? And she only did it

780
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 4: five or six times maximum a match, but she always

781
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 4: did it on a big point. And if she had

782
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 4: done that against Jennifer Capriarti at the Australian Open when

783
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 4: she had her one match point and Lisa Raymond and

784
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 4: I were watching the match and we said, here it

785
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 4: comes becomes the flatty wide with the scoopy inside out

786
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 4: back and.

787
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 7: Volley glady scoopy, flatty scoopy, flatty scoop.

788
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: When she did scoopy and she didn't do it, and

789
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 4: Jennifer's return landed a foot from the baseline and she

790
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 4: ended up getting behind in the point and she lost

791
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 4: the point. She lost the match. So that is that

792
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 4: if she had done it on that point, she would

793
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: have won. And there's players need to develop that on

794
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 4: one or two times, and Radwanska does it from time

795
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 4: to time.

796
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: And Wanska has some of the best hands in the game.

797
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: It's just great concept, you know, great imagination. I like

798
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: players who Actually it's why I heat on court coaching.

799
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: That's an entirely different podcast that would take fourteen hours.

800
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, but here's give us a nutshell on why.

801
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: Because if you are not smart enough to win a match,

802
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: I want you to lose it. But how's that counterpoint?

803
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: Counterpoint?

804
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: I know you like on court coaching, I do, and

805
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why.

806
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: I want to watch the very best points.

807
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: I want to watch multi millionaires, the very best players,

808
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: and we won't figure out a way to win their

809
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: own Manchester.

810
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: That's the most compelling argument i've ever heard.

811
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 5: Here's my argument for it.

812
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: And when they look vulnerable and weepy and you like that,

813
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: I think that makes them look The whole look of

814
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: it is awful to me. The optics are talk about putin.

815
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 5: We'll give you some great volume on her her. Have

816
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 5: you seen her on care coaching? Just go to YouTube

817
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 5: of course type and just turn the volume up.

818
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: She just practically having a dialogue. Here's my thing called

819
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 3: coaching Internet. That's not a gift, but for some it

820
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: is my thing with her. The on care coaching is

821
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: I didn't have a lot of power, but I had

822
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 3: a brain. Some players had unbelievable power. Okay, yeah, I

823
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: mean I have a brain sometimes not.

824
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: All these together every now.

825
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 4: I didn't have a lot of power, but out of brain,

826
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 4: and some players have all power.

827
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 2: So you're saying, no, break the advantage.

828
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 4: It's taking away one advantage I had because you're using

829
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 4: somebody else's brain to help you be better.

830
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: You know.

831
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 4: So when you come off the court and you go,

832
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 4: you know, you actually could have hit this ball there

833
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 4: and there, and they go, oh really, oh that's right,

834
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 4: Well next time, okay.

835
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: Or you do it before the match.

836
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: Here's what you should do You just want to won

837
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 3: that Grand Slam on a on a flat a scoopy.

838
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 5: Well, but she was smart enough to figure it out on.

839
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: Her own, which is won so much you're making a point.

840
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 4: No weapon, with not one Martina Hingis literally had not

841
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 4: one weapon. She had an unbelievable solid everything and a

842
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 4: great brain.

843
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: Here's it. Here's it.

844
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: Reflect my mind has been changed.

845
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: July fourth, twenty eighteen, in the year of our Lord

846
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: on the roof, I now agree with you.

847
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 5: Independent study.

848
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I Here's another thing I used to

849
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: when I when I taught, when I a couple of

850
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: years ago, when I could actually they are I'm running

851
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: on I'm riding on rims. Yeah, it's not anyway. But

852
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: what I would tell anybody about and and this is

853
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: really globally in sports, the whole point is to put

854
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: your opponents or the other team, if it's a team

855
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: in a state of emergency, that's it. That's the that's

856
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: what's great about sports. We've been watching World Cup. Here

857
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: you put them in Okay, so how do you put

858
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: the other side in a state of emergency? You can

859
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: use power, or you can use guile, or you can

860
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: you rush them right, you make them do things, or

861
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: you grind them down. There are so many ways to

862
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: do it. But that is the whole point. And if

863
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: you are not clever enough, smart enough, strong enough, patient enough,

864
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 1: fit enough to put the other person in a state

865
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: of emergency, you don't deserve one. You're not supposed to win.

866
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: The other team is supposed to win. The other player's

867
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: supposed to win. That's my whole.

868
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 3: That's what's great about sports, right, here's what's great.

869
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 4: Mary's in TV, and TV love it. That's why we

870
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 4: won't ever get rid of it.

871
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 5: What on Cote coaching? Because TV love it?

872
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: That's they say. How do who says they love it?

873
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: Who's where did that?

874
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 5: A lot of people?

875
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna say something controversial. I'm gonna throw a

876
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: bomb because I can.

877
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm talking to two veteran broadcasters, best in the biz.

878
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: One of the things that I think us at home

879
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: pleaves like about NCUOT coaching is it's doing some of

880
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: the work that some of the commentators should be doing. Right. Yes,

881
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 3: I hear a lot of color, I hear a lot

882
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 3: of oh it's nerves. I hear a lot of you know,

883
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: D D graphics and the stuff and talk at me wrong.

884
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 3: It's nice and I like it, and I watched the

885
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: ship out of it right every streaming shows.

886
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: You can imagine that said.

887
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: I love both of you guys truly because you are

888
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: explaining to me things that I do not see. When

889
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 3: somebody says, oh uh, Muka Rutha is well coached at

890
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 3: this Wimbledon final against Venus because she is using this

891
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 3: tactic and watch her to do this cross court backhand.

892
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, I'm playing the grass Court Nationals at west

893
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: Side Tennis Club next week and I'm going to be

894
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 3: hitting on grass against some really really good players, and

895
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 3: I got a six foot partner.

896
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: What do I need to do?

897
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: How can I translate that into something that means something

898
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 3: to me, not just oh she's pretty nervy, huh, and

899
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: so to me. If you get rid of on court coaching,

900
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: which I'm now convinced maybe we can do it, then

901
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 3: what needs to happen from a spectator, from a Plebes

902
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 3: point of view, is we need more tactics.

903
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 7: Talk to us like we're smart and if we're not

904
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 7: smart enough, we'll get there.

905
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 5: We'll learn.

906
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 3: Every other sport, you know, football, they want to tell you, well,

907
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: look for this route and that you know and da

908
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: da da da. In tennis, it's you're dumbing it down

909
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: to the to the middle.

910
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: And I don't say you too specifically.

911
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 5: It's not you too, sadly some sadly some it's good networks.

912
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 4: Sadly, some networks that I've worked for, we'll say, we're

913
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 4: not catering to smart tennis fans. No, we are catering

914
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 4: to to an overall audience. So don't talk to them

915
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 4: like they're really tennis centric fans and understand tennis.

916
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 5: So we do get abroad.

917
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I would say in NBC would be a

918
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 4: little bit be a bit more broad, Channel seven, be

919
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 4: a little bit more broad Tennis channel ESPN Tennis. Go

920
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 4: for it, man, get the skills, get the disc to

921
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 4: get it all in there.

922
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 5: So it depends on what network you work for, of course, yep.

923
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 4: I mean, okay, so Mary, you also work for HBO

924
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 4: to do these great great One of my great best

925
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 4: shows on television is Real Sports.

926
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 5: Favorite story from there that you can.

927
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: Bet that I've done or that the show. The show

928
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: is far more I mean, I've been I've been out,

929
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: I've been on it for over twenty years. I know,

930
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: I know, I'm elderly. I keep telling you I and

931
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: I tend to do the profile stories, you know, Richard

932
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: Lovely and I've been lucky enough to meet all kinds

933
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: of tremendous athletes. But the show itself, they can you know,

934
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: they follow, you know, they'll go after. The great thing

935
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,479
Speaker 1: about HBO is they have boxing, but that's all they've got.

936
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: They don't have any other sports. They know the rights

937
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: any other sports. They don't have to protect their relationship

938
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: with the NFL or the DA or the NCAA or

939
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 1: the IOC. So we get to we get to cover

940
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: the waterfront and and and tell those kinds of stories

941
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: and money trails, and again I tend to do the

942
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: softer stories, you know, the quieter stories. I'm very happy,

943
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: for instance, that they allowed me to do the Margaret

944
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: Court Store because we haven't had that many we haven't

945
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: had that many tennis stories on air, but I like

946
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: doing There have been so many remarkable stories. The nice

947
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: thing about HBO Real Sports with Brian Coumbos there's no commercials.

948
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: It's an hour long show. There's no commercials. We only

949
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: tell three, maybe four stories, so it's layered. It's texture.

950
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: You're patient. You get to tell a story and you

951
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: get to explain all of it and all the different parts.

952
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 4: Of it, all right, explained playing with John McEnroe to

953
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 4: win a French Open mixed doubles tottle, which people don't realize, Mary,

954
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 4: Grand Slam, you are a Grand Slam champion.

955
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 5: We know we knowed to, you know.

956
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 4: Get out of the way kind of thing. But give me,

957
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 4: give me one or two fun. Because you grew up

958
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 4: with John.

959
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: I grew up with John. We grew up a couple

960
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: of blocks away from each.

961
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 4: Other for the mixed doubles partnership.

962
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: We grew up in a sweet little town in Queens,

963
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: New York called Douglaston, and we played together. I mean

964
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: back in the back in when we were kids. We'd

965
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: play fourteen sets a day. I mean the courts were

966
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: pretty empty. And then John became John McEnroe all of

967
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: a sudden. Tennis getting a court at the Douglas Club

968
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: is a lot harder, but I mean I was also

969
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: the I swam for the Douglason Club team. I bowled

970
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: every Saturday morning for the Douglason Club. I mean, that

971
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: was my whole life. What do you mean bold, bold, boom,

972
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: bone balls, long bowls. It was indoors, it was bowling

973
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: into a bowling bowling. And I worked at the snack bar.

974
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: I was a waitress at the Douglason Club. I mean

975
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: I used to wait on the mace and rose. You know.

976
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: So this was this was my whole life. And so

977
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: John and I I I think I've told you this story. Stubbsy.

978
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: I we were playing one day. Sorry forgive me on

979
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: this fine, fine, I can. I can work with that.

980
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: So anyway, stubsy, Uh, I was hitting John and I played.

981
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: We were I was probably ten and he was eight. Uh.

982
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: He and I used to be able to hang with

983
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: him for a while, and then all of a sudden

984
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: one day he just he knocked me down and I

985
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: and we're drinking water at a tennis can room when

986
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: we used to do that out of the metal.

987
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 5: Have to worry about the bull fluff, yea exactly.

988
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: And I said to John, you are going to be

989
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: the greatest tennis player in the world one day and

990
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: he said to me, this was that was my first

991
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: ever commentary and my first ever review. He said, shut up,

992
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about we both love

993
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: Labor because we were both lefties and Labor was our

994
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: guy at the time. So that's how far back John

995
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: and I go. So we decide John is an amateur

996
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: at this nineteen seventy seven French Open, he's there to

997
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: play the junior event and the USCA had given him.

998
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: He was skipping his last month of high school. The

999
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: USCA gave him. The USCA gave him five hundred dollars

1000
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: for the entire swing of French Open and Wimbledon, so

1001
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: he was staying in some incredible dumps we were eating

1002
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: and it was my rookie year, so I had no

1003
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: money either, and so we decided to sign up. It

1004
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: was during the team tennis day, so a lot of

1005
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: good players weren't there. So we sign up for the

1006
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: mix and John is looking over the mixed doubles list

1007
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: and said, oh god, we're going to win this thing. Said,

1008
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: what the hell are you talking? Where are you going

1009
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: to win this thing? I was twenty and he was eighteen.

1010
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1011
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then we end up winning it because basically

1012
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: is puking on my shoes by the by the final

1013
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: and he said, just just kick the ball over on

1014
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: your servant, I'll do the rest, which is pretty much.

1015
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: That was our strategy, and it was a winning strategy.

1016
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 5: What was match point? Do you remember it?

1017
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I'm on, I'm not kidding. I

1018
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: don't remember anything about my professional career. But then, so

1019
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 1: now now we're in the French trobat.

1020
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 5: Now you think he's a shit No, I know I'm not,

1021
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 5: but I know he is.

1022
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,959
Speaker 1: So we come here to Wimbledon, and you know John

1023
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: is John has figured all right, we can win Wimbledon.

1024
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: What the hell we get to the quarters? John. This

1025
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: is the year that John goes through the qualities and

1026
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: gets himself to the semis before losing to Jimmy Connors

1027
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: and our other great friend from childhood. We all grew

1028
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: up in Queen's Vitas. Garrolitis was in the semi the

1029
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: other semi against Borg. So John loses to Connors and

1030
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: now Vetus is going to play Borg, and John did.

1031
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: He was Connor's intimidated him. It was the first time

1032
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: he'd ever played, and he was upset because he'd been

1033
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: playing well to get to the semis. So now instead

1034
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: of us watching Vetas play Borg, we've got to play

1035
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 1: our quarter final. Mixed doubles match over on Core two

1036
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: against Dennis Rawlson and Martine and Ubertlova.

1037
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 5: Oh my god, got a big deal, not big deal.

1038
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: And we end up. My knees were already shot. I'd

1039
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: had I think I had, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm telling you.

1040
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: I'd run out of him in my teens. So I

1041
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: had a brace on my leg and at eight all

1042
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: in the third set, Dennis Rawlson and I hit some

1043
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: ridiculous shot to try to get in on and he

1044
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: nails me in the knee, in my bad knee, and

1045
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: I go down and John. I had already dragged John

1046
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: McEnroe to a Christian meeting that my friend Betsy Nagelson.

1047
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: They had won. They could already see that John needed

1048
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: some guidance. We had to bring him into the world

1049
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: of Christendom somehow. So yeah, so I had dragged him

1050
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: early at Wimbledon too, and Dennis Rawlson spoke, and Stan

1051
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: Smith spoke, and Betsy Nagelson spoke. There used to be

1052
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: this whole community of religious players. So I had dragged

1053
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: him there. He was not happy.

1054
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 5: Was that started by Margaret No?

1055
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: No, no, but so anyway, so now it was and

1056
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: Dennis Rawson who we heard speak a week earlier, gets

1057
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: me in the knee and I go down drill and

1058
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of late, you know, it's kind of slippery,

1059
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: juicy courts whatever. And John looks over the net and

1060
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: first he says, are you okay? And I was, I

1061
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: was just but he said he points to Dennis and said,

1062
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,959
Speaker 1: and he calls himself a Christian. And for the next

1063
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: two games, the third, we're on our way to the

1064
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: semis of Wimbledon. And for the next two all he

1065
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: tries to do is head hunt Dennis and we and

1066
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: we missed out on the board.

1067
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 5: So you lost, it.

1068
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: Was and he had lost in the singles. Yeah, anyways,

1069
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: so that's my story. That's incredible.

1070
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: That actually is very redeeming for John.

1071
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: Do you think so in that one.

1072
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 5: In that one moment actually that one shining moment by

1073
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 5: the music a.

1074
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: Little bit, yes, can you add music to this? This

1075
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: is this is the swelling there going.

1076
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: When the one shining moment comes in Aaron Copeland fanfare

1077
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 3: for the And when.

1078
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 4: Everyone thought John was just all about himself, John was

1079
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 4: amazing him is amazing.

1080
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he became John mackin and I went

1081
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 1: back to you quit Mary Carome and then he became legendary. Yeah, exactly. Anyway,

1082
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: there's so many stories we could tell. This could be

1083
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: an unusually long podcast.

1084
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: Renee Philosopher that she is servant Valley. You can tell

1085
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 3: a lot about a person by the way they play

1086
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 3: tennent And I think, so what I was trying to

1087
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 3: get to earlier is servant Valley as a as a

1088
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 3: personality type.

1089
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: Yes, explain that to people. I think, here's my theory

1090
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: another half bases.

1091
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: We absolutely hope everyone's writing this down.

1092
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: I happen to like like I think if you if

1093
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: you are a servant vallier, it means that you want

1094
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: to create, you want to instigate, you want to be

1095
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Speaker 1: in charge of the point one way or another.

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Speaker 5: Or your ground strike suck.

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Speaker 1: But carry on, that's the subtext.

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Speaker 5: Carry on, let me color it in for you. This

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Speaker 5: is what we do.

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Speaker 1: I my favorite announcers are servant volleyers. I think if

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Speaker 1: you have played the game from the baseline, you'll probably

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00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: call matches from the baseline. That's why I like servant volley.

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Speaker 2: Life from the baseline.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you know. And that is a broad generalization, which

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Speaker 1: is something I traffic it great too.

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Speaker 5: And you go side to side, not up, down and

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Speaker 5: side to side.

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Speaker 3: No, but I think it works as a I think

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Speaker 3: it works as an analogy for life. I think if

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Speaker 3: you're somebody who wants to buy you somebody who wants

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00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 3: to give them, let's let's get this going here.

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Speaker 1: What do you think.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna save all the people that

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00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 4: are listening to this that run side to side and think, well,

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Speaker 4: what about me? I said, Well, there's the one that

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00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 4: say I want the ball and I want it earlier.

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00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 4: And then there's the ones that say I want the

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00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 4: ball and I want it to come back and I'm

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Speaker 4: going to get it.

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Speaker 1: That's fine too. So there's you know, no judgment. No, no,

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Speaker 1: it is not.

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Speaker 2: Serving players are the best.

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Speaker 5: And all right, we're gonna end the podcast on this.

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Speaker 4: Three of us are servant volleyers with one handed back ends.

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Speaker 4: Now that you've discovered your one handed back in.

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Speaker 1: People, it was.

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Speaker 4: There's never been a servant vollier, one handed lefty that

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Speaker 4: I love more than Mary Carillo as a human being.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 4: No, On a serious note, Mary, Mary has literally been

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00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 4: the biggest champion of mine to get into broadcasting than

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Speaker 4: there ever has been. She literally would go into the

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00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 4: production trucks at ESPN back in the day and they'd

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Speaker 4: ask her, can you what do you think we need someone?

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Speaker 5: You know? Is there any player?

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00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 4: She's like, she'd just call me out and go, let's

1137
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 4: go Renee Stubbs. And she would literally, like, without anybody

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Speaker 4: hearing me or knowing anything about me, would grab me

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Speaker 4: and had me go and do matches with her on ESPN,

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Speaker 4: and has pushed me, got me the job at NBC

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Speaker 4: for the Olympics. She's just been my biggest, biggest champion,

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Speaker 4: and I just there's not many people that I love

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00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 4: seriously more in my professional life than this woman's.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's stree incredibly generous. But the other part of

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00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: that is that I want to sit next to her

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00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: calling a match. I mean I wanted I wanted to

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00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: be smart and quick and thoughtful and in the weeds.

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00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm doing it. I'm doing it selfishly subject

1149
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Speaker 1: I mean I'm not. It's not like I'm fond of

1150
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: viewer anything. I mean, clear to that's.

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00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 5: They're off the Christmas list.

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00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: She calls herself a Christian, also herself a Christian. I'm

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00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: being how I feel about you. I am I'm enjoying

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00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: your podcast, Caitlin. I'm enjoying this podcast. Thank you, Good

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00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: luck to you, thank you.

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00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 2: You could look to you please.

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00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still in diapers, right, but it's.

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00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 5: Not sure what's in the diaper.

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00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: Could be bad, could be good.

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00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 7: We're having fun.

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00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 5: It could be mixed on this.

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00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 1: Can I just say something about tennis and life in general?

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00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 1: Fun is a good thing to happen.

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00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 5: You know what? Kim thing to have on our podcast.

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00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 4: Her biggest word I'm turning to tennis, no, no, leave it.

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00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 4: The biggest word in tennis and life for her is passionate.

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00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 4: And if you want to be good at something, you

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00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 4: have to have passion, whether it's being a professional tennis player.

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Speaker 5: Whatever else.

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00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 4: And there is no doubt that the single most passionate

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00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 4: person in tennis when it comes to broadcasting and showing

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00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 4: the best production is you, Mary Cry And so that

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00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 4: is so.

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Speaker 1: Another reason.

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00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 4: That would be nice, but it's truly that's the biggest

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00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 4: thing about you.

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Speaker 1: It's passion.

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00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 4: Every day comes into the production meetings, comes at the

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Speaker 4: tennis courts.

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00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 5: It's always about what can we put out.

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00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 4: As a tennis broadcast or real sports or whatever it is.

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00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 4: It's passionate and that is you live and die by that,

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00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 4: and Mary, you will live forever because of your passion

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00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 4: in this sport.

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Speaker 5: Last thing said, thank you, We're out, and.

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Speaker 3: That's it for this episode of the Racket Magazine podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Our host is Renee Stubbs.

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Speaker 1: Our co host and.

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Speaker 2: Producer is me Keithland Thompson.

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Speaker 3: Music so I internationally renowned DJ Stretch Armstrong, thanks to Timber,

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Speaker 3: Jerry Taylor Dalton and the team at ACAST. Find us

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Speaker 3: at racketmag dot com, slash podcast and subscribe to us

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00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,920
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