1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. You're listening to the 2 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast. Catch us live weekdays at 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: noon and five pm Eastern on Apple, Coarcley and Android 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: Auto with the Bloomberg Business App. Listen on demand wherever 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts, or watch us live on YouTube. 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: It snowed all night in Washington. Not a fit night 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: out for man nor beast, to quote the great WC. Fields. 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: They even put the Capitol police in hotels because what 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: is about to happen today must happen by the Constitution. 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 3: The certification of the presidential vote. 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: What's happening right now, the quick meeting on the House side, 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: same for the Senate. They get together, everybody says hello, 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 2: and a little bit less than an hour from now 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: one pm Eastern time, they will gabble in a joint 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: session of Congress to get this job done. 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 3: Now, a lot of us learned about January four years ago. 17 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: This is something that typically wouldn't even make the news until, 18 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: of course, what happened in twenty twenty. They're going to 19 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: carry those ballots, remember that in the wooden boxes across 20 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: the rotunda. They will count, they will unseal them, count them, 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: and then certify them, with the Vice president who just 22 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: lost the election presiding over the process again one pm 23 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 2: Eastern time. That's right, is the outgoing president of the Senate. 24 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: It is Kamala Harris's job to preside over the count here. 25 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 2: It is also apparently Kamala Harris's job, along with many 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 2: other Democrats, to remind everyone today about what happened four 27 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: years ago. Joe Biden had an op ed this morning 28 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: that you might have heard about. Kamala Harris took to 29 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 2: a video to speak to people ahead of today's process, 30 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: again mandated by the Constitution. 31 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 4: Here's the Vice President today at the United States Capital. 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 4: I will perform my constitutional duty as Vice President of 33 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 4: the United States to certify the results of the twenty 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 4: twenty four election. This duty is a safe obligation one 35 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 4: I will uphold, guided by love of country, loyalty to 36 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 4: our Constitution, and my unwavering faith in the American people. 37 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 4: As we have seen, our democracy can be fragile, and 38 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 4: it is up to then each one of us to 39 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 4: stand up for our most cherished principles. 40 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: Serious production values. Multiple camera angles on the Vice President. 41 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: As I mentioned, Joe Biden, writing an op ed this morning, 42 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: in which he refers to what took place four years ago. 43 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 3: Quote. 44 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: For much of our history, this proceeding was treated as 45 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: pro forma, a routine act, he writes. But after what 46 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: we all witnessed on January sixth, twenty twenty one, we 47 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: know we can never again take it for granted unquote. 48 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: Glad to say that we have Mora Gillespie with us. 49 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: Of course, spent a good chunk of her career in 50 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: the House of Representatives of veteran John Bayner's Speaker's Office, 51 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: founder Principal Bluestax strat to use now she is a 52 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: Republican strategist as the way forward more. 53 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: It's great to see you. 54 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: January sixth is here, and I just wonder before we 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 2: get into the details, what's going through your mind today. 56 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 5: It's really an important reminder, I think, just for everyone, 57 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 5: whether you're a republican, independent democrat, the peaceful transfer power 58 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 5: is a cornerstone of our democracy, and the very fact 59 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 5: that it was you know, obstructed in ways last you know, 60 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 5: last time in twenty twenty one should be jarring, no 61 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 5: matter which side of the aisle you sit on, because 62 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 5: when that happened and what the insurrection did. It's it 63 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 5: is hard for me to put into words the feeling 64 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 5: that I had watching this play out, knowing what was coming, 65 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 5: and then watching a play out the way that it did. 66 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 5: It's hard to really impress upon people how important it 67 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 5: is to be objective, because I think that if if 68 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 5: it wasn't Trump supporters who were doing this, and I would, 69 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 5: let's say it was you know, Harris Biden, people are 70 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 5: out there today and we're storming the Capitol, those same 71 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 5: trap for supporters would be furious and would be screaming 72 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 5: from the rooftops that they should be all hat accountable. 73 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 5: And I think, then again, having your objective hats on 74 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 5: as opposed to your partisan hats on is going to 75 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 5: be really important as we move forward. But marking this 76 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 5: day and not forgetting what happened four years ago is 77 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 5: incredibly important, and I hope people will take time to 78 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 5: remember that. 79 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of talk about whitewashing right what 80 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: happened on January sixth, There has been a bit of 81 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: revisionist history. Donald Trump calls it a day of love 82 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: when he talks about this. We also know that he's 83 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 2: promised to pardon the January six rioters and there are 84 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: a lot of them. I don't know if this is 85 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 2: going to be in across the board. There have been 86 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: questions about how Donald Trump would handle that. But more 87 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: than fifteen hundred people were charged with crimes tied to 88 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 2: January sixth Nearly a thousand have pleaded guilty. I'm guessing 89 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: you don't think they should be pardoned more. 90 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 3: You can speak to that. 91 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: But we heard as well today from the captain of 92 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: the Capitol Police, who is not in favor obviously of 93 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: seeing them part. And what message would that send if 94 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: Donald Trump makes good on that. 95 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 5: Promise as sets us up as a country for mayhem, 96 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 5: Because if you can't hold the people who again, if 97 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 5: you were one of those people over the summer who 98 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 5: were furious at these college students who are breaking into buildings, 99 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 5: bashing windows and trying to take over their campus buildings, 100 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 5: and you said they need to be held accountable, they 101 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 5: should all be arrested, then you should have the same 102 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 5: exact feelings about those who broke into the Capitol. Beat 103 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 5: down our officers both that's your Politan police in the 104 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 5: DC area as well as Capitol Police officers to stop 105 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 5: a proceeding that is again the cornerstone of our democracy. 106 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 5: So you can't cry welf at one thing and then 107 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 5: turn a blind eye to the other. They're not on 108 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 5: the same level. But if you're opposed to people breaking 109 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 5: into buildings and smashing in windows, then you should think 110 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 5: that they should be held accoutable in the same ways. 111 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 5: And so for President Trump to go ahead and issue 112 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 5: a blanket pardons is what just a terrible look for 113 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 5: their justice system. But two, I do you think that 114 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 5: people there are certain cases that can be looked into. 115 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 5: I'm not saying, you know, I'm not opposed that I 116 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 5: think our friminal justice system needs to be looked into. 117 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 5: I think there are certain cases that can be looked 118 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 5: into as far as how far their sentencess go. But 119 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 5: to issue a blanket pardon is so dangerous and set 120 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 5: this terrible precedent for our country moving forward. 121 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: Well, I'm guessing that Adam Kinsinger doesn't like the idea. 122 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: You worked for the former Congressman Mara. Of course, he 123 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: was on the January sixth committee. We don't know Donald 124 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: Trump has threatened to prosecute some of the folks or 125 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: all of them who were involved in that investigation. Is 126 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: there a place in the Republican Party for the Adam 127 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: Kinsingers of the world, John Katco's, the Mitt Romneys of 128 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: the world. 129 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 5: There is they want to be. My thing has always been, 130 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 5: you know, one the idea about not the idea, but 131 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 5: what happened on January sixth. You can take a strong 132 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 5: stance against that and say and call it out and 133 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 5: say that it was wrong, and say that it was 134 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 5: a violation of what we stand for as a nation 135 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 5: and for a democracy, and still believe in Republican policies 136 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 5: and put forward ideas conservative values and still identify as 137 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 5: a Republican Again. I just I want to reiterate that 138 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 5: what happened on January sixth, whether Republican or Democrats, should 139 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 5: appall you should truly be something that can never happen again. 140 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 5: And that doesn't make you any less Republican by saying that, 141 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 5: because again Roles reversed. If a Democrat mob was coming 142 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 5: to storm the Capitol to overturn the twenty twenty four election, 143 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 5: Republicans would be outraged. But again on that day in 144 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 5: twenty tinty one, it wasn't just Democrats being targeted. It 145 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 5: wasn't it was Mike Pence being targeted for the job 146 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 5: that Kamala Harris is about to do today in certifying election. 147 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 5: It was members. All members were scared. Republican members were 148 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 5: scared the most MAGA Republicans were scared and hiding from 149 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 5: the mob that day. So let's just remember that that, yes, 150 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 5: there is a role for Republicans like those who believe 151 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 5: that data ray SICS is wrong, but also who believe 152 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 5: in a small arm orccountable government, who want to see 153 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 5: our energy sector thrive, who want to see our grocery 154 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 5: bills come down. We can do both. You don't need 155 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 5: to take away your own values and what you stand 156 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 5: for to appease the Trump Mega people. I just don't 157 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 5: think that that's way forward for us. 158 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 3: I only have a minute left, Mara. 159 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: If people should be appalled by what happened four years ago, 160 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: should they not be inspired by what's about to happen today. 161 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 5: They should be very proud that our system stood that 162 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 5: day in January twenty twenty one, and that it continues 163 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 5: to thrive today because of adults in the room who 164 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 5: are willing to do the job that they were tasked with, 165 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 5: that they gave an oath to do. That is what 166 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 5: we call leadership. And it's important that this continues on 167 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 5: past this moment, past the Trump Maga world moment, because 168 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 5: our democracy has saided for almost two hundred and fifty years, 169 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 5: and I intend for it to continue on much longer, 170 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 5: pass my lifetime. 171 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: More. It's great to see. 172 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: I really appreciate the fact that you could join us 173 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 2: on this day. Good luck digging out of our snowstorm 174 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 2: here in the nation's capital. Marichillespie Bluestack Strategies. I will 175 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: remind everybody that in the throes of the last couple 176 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: of years here we also covered the passage of the 177 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: Presidential Transition Improvement Act. We'll talk about that a bit more. 178 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: The idea was to prevent any possibility of what happened 179 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: four years ago, watering down the role of the vice 180 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: president and making it more difficult to object to what's 181 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: going to happen. 182 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: It is unlikely that either will matter, though. 183 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: This is expected to go off without a hitch today, 184 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: and we'll walk through it together starting as I mentioned, 185 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: at one pm Eastern time, about forty five minutes from now, 186 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: will begin the Joint Session of Congress. 187 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: We've got a lot more ahead, only on Bloomberg. 188 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast. Catch 189 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: us live weekdays at noon and five pm Eastern on 190 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: Apple Cockley and Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business App. 191 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: You can also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our 192 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: flagship New York station. Just say Alexa play Bloomberg eleventh. 193 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 6: D to. 194 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 7: Someone who was in the Capitol four years ago. Former 195 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 7: Congressman Dan Kilde, who used to represent Michigan, is here 196 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 7: with us on Bloomberg TV and Radio. Sir, thank you 197 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 7: very much for your time. I would love if you 198 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 7: could share with us just your reflection on how different 199 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 7: this is four years ago to the day that you 200 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 7: and your colleagues and members of the police forces were 201 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 7: fearful of their lives at the time these proceedings were 202 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 7: getting underway. 203 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 8: Yeah, obviously it's a completely different situation. Gratefully, it's different 204 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 8: in some ways. I mean, I obviously preferred a different 205 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 8: outcome in this past election. But as you can see, 206 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 8: my colleagues, democratic colleagues who are disappointed in the outcome, 207 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 8: disagree with the choice, are there to certify the will 208 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 8: of the American people. Four years ago. Not only was 209 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 8: there a mob sent by then President soon to be 210 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 8: President Donald Trump. Not only was there a mob that 211 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 8: came to attack, but there were colleagues on the floor 212 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 8: of the House of Representatives, a majority of the Republican 213 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 8: members who participated in this whole attack in many ways 214 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 8: by validating the necessary precondition to the attack, and that 215 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 8: is this belief that somehow the election was not valid. 216 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 8: Look at what we're seeing right now. It's what democracy 217 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 8: is supposed to look like, even when we disagree with 218 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 8: the outcome personally. It's really tough because I can't even 219 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 8: look at some of those colleagues that I served with 220 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 8: in the same way after they contributed to what was 221 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 8: really the closest we've come to losing our democracy in 222 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 8: one hundred and fifty years. 223 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: Congress, when it's good to see you, as always, I'll 224 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: remind everybody that you were on with us on January sixth, 225 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: four years ago, and we went back and actually watched 226 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: your interview with David Weston as we were just getting 227 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: a sense of what was happening on January sixth, twenty 228 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: twenty one. You talked about to pick up on your 229 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 2: point there some of your Republican colleagues in the House 230 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: that day and you said, quote, I will look at 231 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: all of those who vote to look at these challenges 232 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: when they know there's no factual basis, I will look 233 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: at them differently Unquote. How do you look at them now? 234 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 8: Well, it's been tough, and I have come to a 235 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 8: point where I've reconciled to the point where I can, 236 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 8: at least when I was still in Congress until a 237 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 8: couple of days ago, I could work with those folks. 238 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 8: But I can't deny that I will always look at 239 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 8: them in a different light. They hold a little less 240 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 8: respect in my eyes than they otherwise would have. They 241 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 8: hold less respect than those members of their own party 242 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 8: that did vote to certify the election, despite the fact 243 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 8: that they were disappointed in the outcome, and even some 244 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 8: of those you know who went even further and courage 245 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 8: the insurrection. But I have to admit I'd look at 246 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 8: them in a different light. 247 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 7: Well, as we continue to keep our eye here on 248 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 7: the House floor, a number of states results have already 249 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 7: been read aloud. To this point there have been no objections. Again, 250 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 7: no objections are expected today. No one is contesting these results. 251 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 7: But Congressman, we do realize that the proceedings today happen 252 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 7: exactly two weeks before Donald Trump will take the oath 253 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 7: of office and become the forty seventh President of the 254 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 7: United States, and he has suggested on that first day, 255 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 7: two weeks from today, he could issue pardons for many, 256 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 7: if not all, of those who were convicted of crimes 257 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 7: on January sixth, twenty twenty one. And I wonder, sir, 258 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 7: what your thought is about that. 259 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 8: Well, it's very upsetting to me, both personally, because I 260 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 8: was a victim of January six I was one of 261 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 8: those members that was trapped in the gallery and couldn't 262 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 8: get out, couldn't get out until those police officers were 263 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 8: able to break through the line and get us out. 264 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 8: It's a real slap in the face, I think, to 265 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 8: those of us who were there, and we know what 266 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 8: we saw and we know what we experienced. It's particularly 267 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 8: a slap in the face to the Capitol Police. Above all, 268 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 8: the Capitol Police stood strong and defended this institution, defended 269 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 8: those of us who worked there against people who came 270 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 8: there and did serious physical harm to many police officers. 271 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 8: Five officers lost their lives at the end of it 272 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 8: all as a result of the terrible experience that they 273 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 8: went through. The idea that the president of the United 274 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 8: States would pardon those people who committed a crime against 275 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 8: this country because they happened to like him is a 276 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 8: really frightening thought. I think it's something that will not 277 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 8: go well in the handles of American history. This will 278 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 8: be a dark day if an impac does that. 279 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: If you're just joining us on Bloomberg TV and Radio, 280 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: it's the Monday edition of Balance of Power. We're spending 281 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 2: time with former co Congressman Dan Kildy as lawmakers go 282 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: about their work of certifying the vote in the twenty 283 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: twenty four election. This is a live view of a 284 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: joint session of Congress the House floor. We've made our 285 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: way up to Florida, Kayley. As we work through the states. 286 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: Having unsealed the votes, they are essentially counting and qualifying them. 287 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: We saw Congressman Brian's style from Wisconsin, the chair of 288 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: there he is now the Administration Committee. 289 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 3: He and the ranking member are going through. 290 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: The process of making these official with each state. Congressman. 291 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: As you watch this unfold, you take heart today. Obviously 292 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: four years ago was a tragedy and a stain. I think, 293 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: as we can all agree on American history. But the 294 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: fact that it's happening together today on time as mandated 295 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 2: by the Constitution, with lawmakers working cooperatively. Should we be 296 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: inspired by what we're seeing now as opposed to four 297 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: years ago. 298 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 8: I think we should be inspired, and we should be grateful. 299 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 8: We should be grateful that the people who put in office, 300 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 8: at least on my side of the aisle, and I'm 301 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 8: a former member, but I'm a Democrat and proud of 302 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 8: that that you're not seeing us do the same thing 303 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 8: that we saw four years ago. And it does beg 304 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 8: the question, and I think it's a good question to pose, 305 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 8: what if the election had gone the other way? What 306 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 8: would today look like if Kamala Harris had succeeded. Would 307 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 8: those same representatives on the floor of the House of 308 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 8: Representatives now who are planning to vote to certify the election, 309 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 8: how many of them would would do what the Democrats 310 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 8: are doing and follow the will of the people. I 311 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 8: worry about that because you know, obviously the election went 312 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 8: their way. They're pleased. What if it hadn't gone their way? 313 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 8: Look at HAIKM. Jeffrey said it the other day at 314 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 8: his address to the House. Loving this country means you 315 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 8: love it even when you don't succeed, even when you 316 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 8: lose an election. Loyalty to this country is not something 317 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 8: you can pick and choose based on how you think 318 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 8: the election should have gone. And I sure hope people 319 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 8: have that in mind today as they think about the 320 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 8: importance of this moment. 321 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 7: Well, and as you join us here on balance of power, Sir, 322 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 7: as a former member of the House, some of your 323 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 7: former colleagues who have also left their positions in elected office, 324 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 7: looked into the events of January sixth, twenty twenty one. 325 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 7: I'm thinking of, for example, Liz Cheney, Benny Thompson, Adam Kingsinger, 326 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 7: some of them Donald Trump has suggested should face jail 327 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 7: time for the work they did on that committee. And 328 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 7: with two weeks left to go of his presidency, do 329 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 7: you believe Joe Biden should be issuing preemptive pardons to 330 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 7: those individuals. 331 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 8: No, I'm not a fan of the use of presidential 332 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 8: pardons at all, no matter what they're used for. I 333 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 8: think it's authority that is antiquated, obsolete, and should be 334 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 8: taken away. I just don't believe it. I have enough 335 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 8: faith in the judicial system that if Donald Trump decides 336 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 8: to make a mockery of it by pursuing charges against 337 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 8: people who simply told the truth and saw the truth. 338 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 8: I believe our judicial system, our justice system, we have 339 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 8: to have enough faith in it that it would find 340 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 8: those people innocent. I don't think preemptive pardons are advisable 341 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 8: under any circumstance, And even though I would agree with 342 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 8: the sentiment, I don't think it would be a good 343 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 8: thing to do. 344 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 2: Pretty incredible story in Political magazine Today about Al Gore 345 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: thanking Mike Pence for his actions of four years ago. 346 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: They met at a Joe Lieberman memorial service over the summer. 347 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: Congressman Mike Pence told al Gore that he was inspired 348 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: by what he had seen in two thousand and one. 349 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: I never forgot it, Pence said to Gore, who replied, 350 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 2: you don't know how much that means coming from you. 351 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 2: Of course, al Gore was under a lot of pressure 352 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 2: at that point by his own party to defy the 353 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 2: constitution following all the recounts, and what was a difficult time. 354 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: If you're old enough to remember, shouldn't we also acknowledge 355 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 2: the fact that Democratic lawmakers have raised objections in this 356 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: process that we're witnessing right now. 357 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 3: In the past, that's. 358 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: A bypart as an exercise, and it's separate from storming 359 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 2: the Capitol. 360 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 8: It is separate from starring the Capitol, for sure. But 361 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 8: I think there is a clear distinction when an outlier 362 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 8: or two within a party, for the purposes of calling 363 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 8: attention to an issue or sometimes to themselves, may have 364 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 8: offered objections. But that's a far cry from the majority 365 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 8: of a party, members of the House and of the 366 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 8: Senate taking the position that what they know to be 367 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 8: a free and fair election should not be certified because 368 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 8: they didn't like the outcome. So I've heard those comparisons before, 369 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 8: and while they're technically there have been instances of this, 370 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 8: it's a far cry from what we saw on January sixth, 371 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 8: and I think it's a distinction with a big difference, Sir. 372 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 7: We're into the MS now in terms of the results 373 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 7: reading out the states, Massachusetts has gone by. That does 374 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 7: mean Michigan is going to be coming soon. As Kamala 375 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 7: Harris stands next to the House Speaker at the rosterm 376 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 7: Michigan of course one of the swing states, one of 377 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 7: all of the swing states which she lost, and I 378 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 7: wonder as we look ahead to twenty twenty six, to 379 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 7: the day we will be experiencing four years from now 380 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 7: January sixth, twenty twenty nine. Now that you are on 381 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 7: the outside kind of looking into people competing for elected office, sir, 382 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 7: what do you see is needing to change between now 383 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 7: and then so that the next time they read out 384 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 7: the results from Michigan, it's the Democrat who won those 385 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 7: electoral votes. 386 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 8: Well, I think clearly we need to do a better 387 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 8: job of communicating to people in terms they understand, not 388 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 8: speak down to people, and not speak in wonky policy terms. 389 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 8: My advice to Democrats is that if you're having a 390 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 8: conversation in a campaign, and if that conversation doesn't fit 391 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 8: in a kitchen table discussion, you're having their own conversation. 392 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 8: And I think sometimes we don't do a good job 393 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 8: of getting out of our own way and just speaking 394 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 8: to people on terms that they that they really do 395 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 8: understand about the issues that they really care about, not 396 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 8: sometimes the big macro issues, but those economic issues that 397 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 8: families face. We didn't do a very good job of that. 398 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 8: We need to do better, for sure. If we do, 399 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 8: then I think the outcome of the election will be 400 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 8: determined by that. 401 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 2: The Democrat from Michigan, former Congressman Dan Kildey. We could 402 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: use you congressmen in Washington right now. We need a 403 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 2: few folks who know how to handle snow, so let 404 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 2: us do you pack in here? Yes, sir, of course, 405 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: they've been plowing all night, Gaile, it's still snowing here. 406 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: There was some concern it was going to interfere with 407 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: the proceedings, but enough lawmakers stayed in town over the weekend, 408 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: and certainly Capitol police stayed in town last evening that 409 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 2: this appears to be going off without a Hitge. 410 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast. 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We were 421 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: talking earlier with Dan Kildey about this. It's not unusual 422 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 2: to hear objections. In fact, there were many Democratic objections 423 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: if you remember in two thousand and two thousand and 424 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: four the situation with Ohio. The difference four years ago 425 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 2: was the attack on the Capitol. What happened outside the capitol? 426 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 2: What today to see none, no deeds, no ours. Everyone 427 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 2: really wanted to to make this neat and clean. 428 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 7: Well and to make a point that this is how 429 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 7: the Democrats process works in the United States. It's a 430 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 7: key pillar of the peaceful transfer of power that these 431 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 7: results are accepted by a joint session of Congress, as 432 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 7: they were indeed today. And of course Democrats not losing 433 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 7: the opportunity to make note of the contrast compared to 434 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 7: how they view the conduct of their Republican colleagues. 435 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe Biden and op ed Kamala Harris in a video. 436 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: It's an interesting day here in Washington. Contrasts could not 437 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 2: be greater from four years ago. And as Rick pointed out, 438 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 2: it's so quiet on the hill because we've got a snowstorm. 439 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: I think maybe one flight got in today and Mick 440 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 2: mulvaney was on it. I don't know how this is possible, 441 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 2: but he's with us at the table right now. The 442 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 2: former Republican congressman, co founder the Freedom Caucus, former acting 443 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: chief of staff in the Trump White House. 444 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 3: Nice to see a happy new year. 445 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 9: I mean I still have my Christmas sweater on. 446 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 6: Well you did pretty well, and I apologize for not 447 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 6: dressing appropriately, but yeah, I'm just happy to. 448 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 9: Be here in this snow deck. 449 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 450 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 9: And it's not a big. 451 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 6: Snowstorm for most places that are used to snowstorms. 452 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 9: For this town, it's enough to shrut things down. That 453 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 9: was the only car on the road in from the airport. 454 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: Was surprised there was no single objection to that. 455 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 6: I was, you know, let's go back and play some 456 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 6: of the audio tape and the videotape of folks of 457 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 6: what they've said about Donald Trump over the last three 458 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 6: or four months. I mean, Jamie Raskin, I mean, face it. 459 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 6: We were open the Democrats were openly accusing him of 460 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 6: being the next coming of Adolf Hitler, that if we 461 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 6: voted for him, it would be the end of the 462 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 6: democracy as we know it. 463 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 9: That's not an exaggeration. That's not me using. 464 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 6: Hyperbole as sort of spinning what the Democrats said about him, 465 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 6: That's what they said. They tried to convince people. I 466 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 6: respect the fact that nobody objected. I think that's a 467 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 6: good thing, and I think Democrats probably decided it was 468 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 6: better for their brand long term not to object. But 469 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 6: the next time they go on TV and tell people, oh, 470 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 6: this person is the next coming of Adolf Hitler, are 471 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 6: they going to justify what they just did. 472 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 9: I think it is inconsistent. 473 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 7: After it voted for all they did was say, yes, 474 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 7: this is how people voted. That's not their vote. 475 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 6: I get that, but don't forget what did Hillary Clinton said? 476 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 6: Oh remember Hitler was elected, which he wasn't, by the way, 477 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 6: So there's always that if you really really thought he 478 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 6: was Adolf Hitler, would did you vote to certify the election? 479 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 6: I think the answer is no, if you really believed it, 480 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 6: you would not, And in fact, I wouldn't. If I 481 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 6: really thought somebody's aid off Hill, I would vote. Wouldn't 482 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 6: vote to certify the election. So what I think you've 483 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 6: just seen is look again, I applaud the way it 484 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 6: went down, and it's the smooth transition of power. 485 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 9: I'm a huge fan, and I think it was. 486 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 6: A class move today to do this, but it certainly 487 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 6: undermines some of the hyperbole that they were using going 488 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 6: into the going into the election. 489 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: As we mentioned, we heard from Joe Biden in an 490 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 2: op ed, Kamala Harris and a carefully produced video presentation 491 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: talking about her solemn duty, both of them going out 492 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 2: of their way though to remind us of what happened 493 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 2: four years ago. How should we catalog January sixth, twenty 494 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: twenty one. You've got Donald Trump on one side saying 495 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 2: it was a day of love, and obviously you saw 496 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 2: more than a thousand people plead guilty to very serious crimes. 497 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 6: And we've talked about it before and it's sad. That sad, 498 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 6: maybe that's not the right word. If you think it 499 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 6: was a peaceful protest evidence of that. I mean, I 500 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 6: remember seeing it. 501 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 9: We've talked about this. I was in town. In fact, 502 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 9: I was in the building that morning. 503 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 6: I was at my condo in the afternoon, and I 504 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 6: saw the people walking through the rotunda and one person 505 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 6: stepped across the velvet ropes and somebody else grabbed them 506 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 6: and pulled them back. So there were absolutely peaceful protesters. 507 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 6: And if you want to say it was a peaceful protest. 508 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 6: There's some evidence to that. If you want to say 509 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 6: it was a violent insurrection, there are certainly evidence to that. 510 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 6: My sad and I will you sad here because I 511 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 6: am really sad about this, is that we don't have 512 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 6: any sort of common ground over what January sixth was. 513 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 6: If you voted Democrat, you think one way. If you 514 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 6: vote Republican, you think another way. At least for most folks. 515 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 6: I wish we really knew what happened, and now there's 516 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 6: evidence out or excuse me, there's suggestions out that there 517 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 6: were FBI people in the in the crowd. 518 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 9: Is that right? 519 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 6: I've heard allegations that the Democrats tampered with the evidence 520 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 6: during the January sixth commission? 521 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 9: Is that right? We don't know what. 522 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 6: The facts are, and it's really hard to have an 523 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 6: informed opinion about something if you don't have the fact. 524 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 7: Well, we do know people lost their lives both on 525 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 7: that day and in the aftermath. There is video evidence 526 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 7: of many of these individuals assaulting police officers. Should those 527 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 7: people who are on video, some of whom have already 528 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 7: pleaded guilty to these crimes, be pardoned. 529 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 9: That's a great question. Here's here's how I hope they 530 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 9: deal with it. 531 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 6: Look, the pardon power is a strange thing that we 532 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 6: give to presidents. Why we give it to presidents, I'm 533 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 6: not really sure. It's more of a king or queen 534 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 6: type of thing. I hope that they go through it 535 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 6: case by case, and if they do give pardons to 536 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 6: some of the January sixth most violent offenders, let's say 537 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 6: that they look at it and say, Okay, in this 538 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 6: particular circumstance, let's use the sake of a discussion. The 539 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 6: jail time doesn't seem to meet the crime. Okay, that 540 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 6: would be that would be grounds for a part. It 541 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 6: would be people would look at the use of a 542 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 6: pardonner and go, okay, that's that's that's an orthodox application 543 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 6: of the presidential part authority. To come in and just 544 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 6: say it never happened. It was a peaceful protest, everybody 545 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 6: gets off. I think that would be that would that 546 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 6: would be wrong. It happened the day, absolutely happened, and 547 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 6: we have to figure out why it happened, what happened, 548 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,239 Speaker 6: and then make sure it doesn't happen again. And if 549 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 6: you try and sweep it under the rug of history, 550 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 6: I think that you're doing a disservice. 551 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 3: I'm sure you remember the way you felt. 552 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 6: Absolutely, I'm still angry about the day, and if you're 553 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 6: if you're American, you should be angry about the day. 554 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 6: Even if you're one of the people who thinks it 555 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 6: was a peaceful protest, you could look at what you've 556 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 6: just talked about, Kaylee and say, look, but there were 557 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 6: other people there who were not, And I'm angry about. 558 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 3: That, and I think that's that's not unreasonable. 559 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 7: Do you think we could have seen a repeat of 560 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 7: what happened four years ago today had Donald Trump not won? 561 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 6: You know, I get asked that question all the time, 562 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 6: and I tell people I am the worst person to 563 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 6: ask that question of because I didn't see it coming 564 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 6: the first in the first place. 565 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 9: I really didn't. 566 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 6: And that's what frightens me the most about that day 567 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 6: is that not only did I not see it coming, 568 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 6: if you'd asked me, he said, Mick, if there'd be 569 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 6: riots and a transition, I never would have thought it 570 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 6: would have been my party, the law and order party, 571 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 6: that was involved with. 572 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 9: It in any fashion. 573 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 6: So I am the wrong person to ask about what 574 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 6: we might have seen today if the outcome had been different. 575 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 9: Because I didn't see it four years. 576 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: Ago, and then the post mortem that everyone's walking around 577 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 2: the war room talking about stop this deal with Roger Stone. 578 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 2: That was not every member of the administration, otherwise you 579 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: would have been exposed to that in advance. 580 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean I was. I was a minor 581 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 6: member of the administration at the time. But yes, she 582 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 6: was a staff No, not that time. I was a 583 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 6: specially on void in Northern Ireland under story six understand. 584 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 9: Yah, I've been. I've been in Northern Ireland for about 585 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 9: six eight months. 586 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 3: Thank you for reminding us of that. 587 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 6: Otherwise I would have been involved in a lot more 588 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 6: January sixth investigations than I was. 589 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 3: I suspect that's absolutely true. 590 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 2: Talk to us about what's happening inside this transition right now, 591 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 2: because they're trying to move beyond obviously the story there 592 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 2: we're describing and reading the interview today in Axios with 593 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 2: Susie Wilds that the whole mantra is no drama this time. 594 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 3: Yes, is that possible? 595 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 9: Yes, it is? It is it? 596 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 6: Would I bet on it? Yeah, No, I think it's 597 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 6: But you asked me if it's possible, it's absolutely possible. 598 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 6: What she like out in her in her Acxios interviews, 599 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 6: exactly what you would want a chief of staff to 600 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 6: lay out. It's textbook, It's absolutely perfect. The question is 601 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 6: going to be can she pull it off? Or is 602 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 6: somebody I'll use one of my favorite foils, Peter Navarro 603 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 6: going to go out and start leaking to the press 604 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 6: as soon as he doesn't get the answer that he 605 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 6: wants in a White House meeting. 606 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 9: He did it all the time. We all knew he 607 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 9: did it all the time. If the President. 608 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 6: Continues to or allows that to happen this time, then 609 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 6: it will undermine Susie's ability to run the building in 610 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 6: the way she laid out standing leaks as the key. Well, 611 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 6: it's just hiring people who buy into the fact you're 612 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 6: on the team. John Bolton was never on the team. 613 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 6: Up beat up on Bolton for a second. I mean 614 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 6: John always thought that he was the president and if 615 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 6: Donald Trump decided something that went against what John Bolton 616 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 6: thought he should do, John thought it was his duty to. 617 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 9: Try and change that. 618 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 6: And if he would go out and leak or do 619 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 6: whatever to try and change the president's decision, that undermines 620 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 6: the authority of the chief. It undermines the proper operation 621 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 6: of a West Wing. So no, if Susie's able to 622 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 6: do that, and in order to do that, she has 623 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 6: to get the buy in of Donald Trump. And now 624 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 6: you asked me if it's possible, I said yes, Why 625 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 6: because it looks like it happened on the campaign. 626 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 9: It really did. You have to imagine during that campaign. 627 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 6: Go back and remember there were some really high points 628 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 6: and some really low points during the twenty twenty four campaign. 629 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 6: And if she was able to sort of right the 630 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 6: ship and keep things calm, quiet and button down during 631 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,239 Speaker 6: the good times and the bad, that's as good as 632 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 6: indicators to what it might be like for her running 633 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 6: the West Wing. 634 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 7: In that interview, Susie Wiles also pushed back against the 635 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 7: notion that these big accomplishments needs to happen in the 636 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 7: first one hundred days. To summarize her words, she basically 637 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 7: thinks that's an arbitrary deadline. But we do have questions 638 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 7: about what will happen in the most immediate term when 639 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 7: Donald Trump takes office, including how the reconciliation process is 640 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 7: going to work, whether it's going to be one big, beautiful, 641 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 7: powerful bill or two. This is what the House Speaker 642 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 7: Mike Johnson had to say about yesterday. 643 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 10: We're fifteen days out from the inauguration of President Donald J. 644 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 10: Trump for his second term, and we want to make 645 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 10: sure that we're jump starting the agenda now over the 646 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 10: next two weeks so that he's prepared and ready on 647 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 10: day one. President Trump is going to prefer, as he 648 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 10: likes to say, one big, beautiful bill, and there's a 649 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 10: lot of merit to that because we can put it 650 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 10: all together one big up or down vote, which can 651 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 10: save the country quite literally. Reconciliation is the way to 652 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 10: get it done. Why, because you avoid a sixty vote 653 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 10: threshold in the Senate. We're targeting a vote in the 654 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 10: House and maybe in the first week of April. 655 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 7: So timeline is one thing here, Mick, but just how 656 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 7: this gets done is another. He Mike Johnson. Others in 657 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 7: the House have long been advocating for one big bill. 658 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 7: Senator John Thune, the Majority leader, wants to Donald Trump 659 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 7: despite advocating for one bill and true social over the weekend. 660 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 7: In an interview with You, Hewitt this morning said he's 661 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 7: open to either. So how do you see this going down? 662 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 6: Well, Trump runs the place right and he should. He 663 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 6: runs the Republican Party. They're in control of the town 664 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 6: right now, so he gets to make those decisions. And 665 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 6: if I'm Donald Trump, if I'm Chief of staffed Donald Trump, 666 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 6: why do I care if it's one bill or two? 667 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 6: How do I get what I want? How do I 668 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 6: get my agenda approved? If you tell me I get 669 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 6: a better chance of doing that with one bill, Yay, 670 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 6: let's do one bill. If it's got to be sixteen 671 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 6: different bills, I'll do that. The question is going to 672 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 6: be this as to whether or not one bill or 673 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 6: two and it has to be one of those. It 674 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 6: can't be sixteen because they only get two shots at 675 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,239 Speaker 6: the reconciliation apple. Right, two bites at that apple is 676 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 6: do you gain votes by putting a bunch of disparate 677 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 6: stuff together or do you lose votes? Because keep in mind, 678 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 6: I don't think they can lose any votes. 679 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,239 Speaker 7: Well, and with your knowledge of the House, which do 680 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 7: you think the answer is? 681 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 6: Yeah? 682 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 9: I mean historically in Washington, d C. 683 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 6: The reason you get these massive bills that everybody says 684 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,719 Speaker 6: they hate is that that's what passes. Okay, these omnibus 685 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 6: bills you're really talking about, for lack of a better 686 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 6: word an omnibus reconciliation bill. We're going to do immigration 687 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 6: and tax and border and everything else all at one time. Right, 688 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 6: it's not a single issue bill. I think maybe they 689 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 6: look at that and say, you know what, you might 690 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 6: be a fiscal conservative and you might not like what 691 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 6: the tax does to the to the deficit, but you 692 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 6: really like the other stuff, and all in all you'll 693 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 6: vote for it. 694 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 9: So maybe that's the logic. 695 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 2: Be very curious to see what the Senate parliamentarian thinks 696 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 2: of all this. When we do the bird bath bird path, 697 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 2: Well have you come on to talk about it. But 698 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 2: in our remaining moment or two whatever we have left here, 699 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 2: you're the chief of staff. You're the gatekeeper at the 700 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: White House. 701 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 9: Chief of staff is not the gatekeeper. 702 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 2: But keep going, keep okay, some people describe it as such. 703 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 2: You can give us a reality check on that is 704 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 2: Elon Musk not the guy you're most concerned about right 705 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: now because he's got the keys to. 706 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 3: The Oval office. 707 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 9: No, no, I want if i'm if i'm I want 708 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 9: Musk on the team. I mean he's being on the team. 709 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 3: He's out there freelancing though, isn't he Listen? 710 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 6: If I can have one of the smartest people in 711 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 6: the world who's aligned with me on many of my 712 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 6: of my priority of my legislat priorities. That's usually a 713 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 6: good thing. Do you have to manage personalities? Yeah, but 714 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 6: it's Washington, d C. 715 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 3: You guys know, the two biggest personalities maybe in the world. 716 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 6: And people say all the time, oh, you know, when 717 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 6: will they have their falling out. I don't know if 718 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 6: they can afford to have a falling out. 719 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 9: I really don't. 720 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 6: I think they're both now, they're they're sort of tied 721 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 6: at the hip. Trump can't afford to lose to lose Musk, 722 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,439 Speaker 6: and must can't afford to lose Trump, so they're married 723 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 6: for the for the for the good part. What I 724 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 6: think is the thing that I put back my old 725 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 6: omb had on is I want to know when Elon 726 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 6: Musk figures out that it's easier to go to Mars 727 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 6: than it is to fix Washington, because that's what he's 728 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,439 Speaker 6: trying to do with Doge and he's and I say 729 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 6: that only half jokingly, that is the biggest task. I'm 730 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 6: glad that it's getting attention. I'm glad that it's sexy. 731 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 6: All of a sudden everybody wants to talk about Doge. 732 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 6: It's been a great marketing standpoint, a great marketing campaign. 733 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 6: We tried to do it in the first term, failed miserably. 734 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 9: That was me. 735 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 6: Donald Trump is a lot, I mean, Elon Musk is 736 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 6: a lot smarter than I am, so maybe he can 737 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 6: pull it off. But if I'm Trump, I want, I want, 738 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 6: I want, always want Musk on the team. 739 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 3: Wow. 740 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 5: All right. 741 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 7: Mick Mulvaney, former acting chief of staff in the first 742 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 7: Trump White House, former congressman from South Carolina, here with 743 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 7: us in our Washington, d C studio on a snow day. 744 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 7: Thank you so much for just have more ahead at 745 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 7: five pm, a lot. 746 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 3: More to talk about. The vote has been certified. 747 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 2: Join us at five pm Eastern on the fastest show 748 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 2: in politics, This is Bloomberg. 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