1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: Mm hello and welcome to the NFL Player's Podcast. I'm 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: any Law and you won't believe the world that Cash is. 3 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: Marsh is gonna take us in magic cards and the 4 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: entire world of it, going all the way back to 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: high school in the time he spent in a little 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: tiny store and guess what all that are listening. His 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: high school teammates did not even know that he was 8 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: playing this game. Let's listen in, because you're talking about 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: a player whose father and brother played and I'm so 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: excited to share this podcast. Let's listen in. Cash is Man. 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: I'm so excited doing this podcast because I love talking 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: to people about their different passions and we getting ready 13 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: to talk about the world that I can tell you upfront, 14 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Cash is I know very little about before I get there, though. 15 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: My first question, how did you get the name Catch? 16 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: My father actually named me after Cassius Clay Muhammad Albi 17 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: just he was a huge fan of obviously an extremely 18 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: great man, and just love the name Cashes and so yeah, 19 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: he gave me that name. And I've actually my son's 20 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: also named Casher. So wow. So thanks for being with us, 21 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: and you're in training camp House Training Camp started what's 22 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: the body feeling like. But y'all do it differently. Man, 23 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: there's no two days and anything like that. I'm not 24 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: hating on you though, I love it, but tell me 25 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: about it. It's been great. We had our first day 26 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: of practice today and that was awesome to get back 27 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: out there, and playing ball is always so much fun 28 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: and stealers organization is amazing. So I'm just, you know, 29 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: truly blessed to be here and be back out there 30 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: with the fellas, you know, having fun playing ball. And 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: uh but it was good. You know, body feels great, 32 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: had a great off season, so I feel strong and 33 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: fast and healthy and so definitely definitely a good start man, happy, 34 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: happy to be back playing ball. Well, thank you doing 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: this busy time of carving out a little little time 36 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: for us. Let's get started with your past. Which would 37 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: you rather have? A Super Bowl ring? Are a perfectly 38 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: grated alpha black Lotus card super Bowl ring? A thousand 39 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: times out of time? You hesitate? There's no I love. 40 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: I love the game of magic, I really do. It's 41 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: it's it's definitely my passion off the field, But to 42 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: be a world champion would mean more to me than 43 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: probably any any other achievement outside of being a father. 44 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: I played football in my whole life. You know exactly 45 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: how that feels. So and my rookie year, I went 46 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl and we lost last minute on 47 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: the gold line versus the Patriots. So I've been very close, 48 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: but there's nothing. There's nothing like it. And I've talked 49 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: to guys with you know, one of the Super Bowls 50 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: and stuff. It's something that I truly deeply want to achieve. 51 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: So but this Alpha Black Lotus card ninth perfectly graded, 52 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars. Yeah. Actually, the funny story about 53 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: that is is a good friend of mine postmlone is 54 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: a good friend of mine. He's also into the game. 55 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: He was bidding on that card and he left. He 56 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: left to go to Costco because he thought that the 57 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: card was security. Had set his his like limit at 58 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: five K, and when he got back, it jumped up 59 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: like fifty k from where it was before and he 60 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: lost by like six thousand. Ended up selling for five 61 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: hundred and six thousand dollars. So it's crazy. But actually 62 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: the day before that card sold another p S A 63 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: ten perfectly graded one sold for a million dollars. So 64 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: although those cards are extremely valuable, and that would be 65 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: a nice asset to have, and and and definitely a huge, 66 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: a huge collectible for me, something something I definitely want 67 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: to have one day. I don't think anything could ever 68 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,839 Speaker 1: replays like a Super Bowl champion, not even the ring. 69 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: You know, the ring is cool, but the championship. To 70 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: be a champion would be pretty epics. So what do 71 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: it feels like to come so close? Awful? Because I 72 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: lost the Super Bowl to guess who the Patriots man? 73 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: And you know, it was crazy. I was, I got, 74 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: I got put on, I R I wasn't able to 75 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: play in the game either, so it was it was 76 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: really that year was really rough for me. I can 77 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: remember it so vividly. I was standing on the sideline 78 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: and you know, we had the ball on the two 79 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: or three yard line or whatever it was, and you know, 80 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, we got Marshawn Lynch. There's just no way, 81 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, we got three downs to 82 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: get this ball in there. I've never seen anyone stop 83 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: Marshawn from getting a yard or two, and I hadn't 84 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: seen it up to that point. I'm dancing on the sideline. 85 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: I'm talking about which finger I'm about to put the 86 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: ring on and the whole deal, and we threw the pick, 87 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: and I just, man, just the worst feeling in the 88 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: locker room after and in the party back at the 89 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: hotel and just everything. Man, it was just it was 90 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: so I mean, obviously blessed to be able to go 91 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: to Super Bowl, but it was just such a miserable 92 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: feeling to to go that far and be so so 93 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: close just to lose off of basically the last play 94 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: of the game. So well, we're gonna get onto your 95 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: game cards, let's do it. Are there any similarities in 96 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: the world of pro football and the world of fantasy 97 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: adventure games and collectibles. I'd say that the competitive nature 98 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: of the game of magic, I think that there's some similarities, 99 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: like especially in like highly competitive like a GPS or 100 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: during the World Tour, people are really truly dialed and 101 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: they're really good. They practice and they play over and 102 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,239 Speaker 1: over again, and they play tests for hours and hours 103 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: to prepare for these tournaments, and so I think that 104 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: the preparation is probably the same. But outside of that, 105 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: obviously there are two different worlds. But I think the 106 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: preparation for like your performance and the time that you 107 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: have to put in and like the studying and stuff 108 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: like that. Can you know, draw some similarities in comparison 109 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: to building an NFL roster to building the Magic deck? Yeah, 110 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: maybe I've never actually thought about that. That's a that's 111 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: a really good question. I yeah, I mean you definitely 112 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: have to when you're building a deck, every little piece 113 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: is significant and plays a role. So I yeah, absolutely, 114 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: that's a really good question. Actually, so you're saying that 115 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: you possibly could be a GM in a National Football League. Yeah, 116 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: I mean I think I could definitely pull that off. Man. 117 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: I mean I don't know that, you know, all of 118 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: my deck building experience would help that much. But I 119 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: think I've got a pretty good eye for talent. You know. Um, 120 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: I would definitely need some tutelage from some some GM s. 121 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: I would definitely need to learn a lot in order 122 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: to pull that off. But I think I could. You know, 123 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: I could work myself to that position one day. When 124 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 1: did you get in this university? A universe of magic? 125 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: So I started off playing Pokemon when I was a kid, 126 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: not even playing the game. I really never played when 127 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: I was younger. I was just like collecting and playing 128 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: the game Boy games and just you know, it was 129 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: just a pretty nerdy little kid. You know. Obviously my 130 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: family was you know, had NFL history. My dad played, 131 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: my older brother also played. But you know I've always 132 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: had that you know, nerdy, nerdy side to me. Start 133 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: off with Pokemon, then I started playing you Gil, and 134 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: then when I was about eleven years old, I found 135 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: Magic the Gathering, and uh, that was pretty much it. Man. 136 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: I played. I went to Friday Night Magic probably every 137 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: single night unless I was playing in Friday Night Lights, 138 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Less I had a football game, 139 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, I was at our local game store and 140 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: seem badly where I grew up playing Magic and uh 141 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: and having a ball. Man. The shot that I used 142 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: to play in is there was really nothing to it, 143 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: but I would go and spend hours and hours and hours. 144 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: They're just having fun and playing the game, and it's 145 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: such a fun game. So I'm grateful to have to 146 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: have found it. Which one gave you the greatest excite 147 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: when you're younger, Wasn't it going to the card shop 148 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: or playing the Friday Night Lights? Definitely? Football, man, I mean, 149 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: I do love the game and is great to have 150 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: a passion outside of football, But football. You know, just 151 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,679 Speaker 1: thinking about it kind of gives me chills. Man, football 152 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: has provided me with so many, so many things, you know, 153 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: so many life lessons. I've learned so much from different 154 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: people who have had the chance to meet because of football, 155 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: different experiences, you know, traveling around the country. And obviously, um, 156 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: the NFL has provided me with the money to be 157 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: able to take care of my family and set myself 158 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: up to you know, be able to open my card 159 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: shop that I have now, and to be able to 160 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: have these passions off the field. So I love the 161 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: game of football, and I'm forever grateful to the game 162 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: of football. So why are you still passionate about it today? 163 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the card game. It's truly an incredibly 164 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: good game. The depth of the game is just is 165 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: just crazy. There's so many different interactions and there's so 166 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: many different ways to win the game. It's hard to 167 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: explain to you know, somebody who's never really experienced it. 168 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: But I would compare it to chess on steroids, you 169 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Chess is such an obviously such 170 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: a good game and has been for centuries. But magic 171 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: has you know, just this crazy creativity and there's the 172 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: collectibility of the cards and the value of the cards, 173 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: and in the game being so good, and there's so 174 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: many different ways to play the game, and honestly, the 175 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: community and in the interactions with the people, and it 176 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: is very, very similar to my experience with football. You know, 177 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: I've met so many good people playing the game, and 178 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: I have a lot of good friends because of the 179 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: fact that I play Magic the Gathering. Yeah, I mean, 180 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: there's there's a million, there's a million reasons why I'm 181 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: so passionate about Magic the Gathering. Still, so that card 182 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: store growing up, you said it wasn't that big. Would 183 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: you'd say that was kind of like your other locker room? Yeah? Absolutely. 184 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: I mean there's definitely a group of guys who would 185 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: be there almost every week, and you wait for them 186 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: to get there, and when they get there, like everybody's 187 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: like welcoming them to you know what I mean, Like 188 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: sit down, bro, like let's get a game in. It 189 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: is very similar. It does have that feeling and there's 190 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: like a brotherhood within the community of Magic, and you 191 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: know that the one of the cool things about about 192 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: the game is the emphasis on community, you know what 193 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: I mean. Like, so my second year in the league. 194 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: I had about twenty dollars worth the cards stolen from me, 195 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: my my girlfriend at the time now my fiance, Devin. 196 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: She took my car because her and a bunch of 197 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: friends we're going to go to the club and hang 198 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: out together, and you know, they needed a bigger car 199 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: to to drive, and you know, I wanted to be safe. 200 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: It's a it's a it was a bigger car. Um, 201 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: So she drove my car to the club. I forgot 202 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: that my backpack, not only my backpack with my magic 203 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: cards in it, but my backpack that had my iPad 204 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: and like all my work stuff in it. So every 205 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: car that had tent got broken into and they stole 206 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: both my backpacks, and I was devastated. Man, it wasn't 207 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: just the money. I'd spent a lot of time building 208 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: those decks, and you know it was it was a 209 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: huge hit to me because like it takes real time 210 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: time to just find the cards and build the decks. 211 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: And so I tweeted out something like, hey, I had 212 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: my card stolen here and I'll give you as many 213 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: tickets you want to home games for the next you 214 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: know whatever if you just return my cards, and it 215 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: went viral. And a bunch of people covered it like 216 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: ESPN and g Q, and just like it went, it 217 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: went kind of, it went everywhere, and the outreach from 218 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: the community was incredible. Man, I had so many different 219 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: people send cards to me at the facility. Wizards of 220 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: the Coast came out, which is the company that created 221 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: the game and on the game. They came out and 222 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: brought a huge box of booster boxes to me and 223 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: it was it was just incredible. So like the Magic, 224 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: the gathering community is incredible and extremely supportive of of 225 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: the people who are a part of it. So so 226 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: we got five colors and the magic color will which 227 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: color would represent you as a player? I'd say blue. 228 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: It's super broken. I mean, I mean, I say brokenness 229 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 1: isn't like it's just like overpowered. Like you draw a 230 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: bunch of cards with blue, you counter people's spells. Countering 231 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: a spell means you cancel it, so you basically are 232 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: just in a power position and just like it's hard, 233 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: it's hard to explain, but the magic players out there 234 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: will most definitely understand where I'm coming from. My favorite 235 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: color is blue, and I'd say my second favorite color 236 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: is green, and green is like big stompy creatures and 237 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: like overwhelming power and uh man a ramp and stuff 238 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: like that. So but Blue Blue most definitely would be 239 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: number one for me. So you said the game is 240 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: like Chess on steroids. When I think of chess, I 241 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: think you have to be thinking about moves ahead of 242 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: ahead of time. Right. Have you been able to use 243 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: this type of logic and thinking in your game as 244 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: a passion Yeah, no, I mean I wouldn't. I wouldn't 245 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: say that, like I hadn't thought about those things prior 246 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: to being a magic player. But as a pass frusture, 247 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: it is definitely a similar mindset where when you're rushing 248 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: the pastor, you know you have to set up certain moves. 249 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: You know, you rush outside outside, you know what I mean, 250 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: You get a sack on them on the outside and 251 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: got them really worried about that, and then you hit 252 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: with a spin move where you come back inside or 253 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: you hit them with power, or you know what I mean. 254 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: You set certain things up throughout the game. As you're 255 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: rushing the pastor, you know, you're thinking a couple of 256 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: steps ahead of the on lineman. So it is it 257 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: is similar in that sense for sure. So what would 258 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: be equivalent in the game of watching show, I would 259 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: say play testing. So play testing is basically in a 260 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: competitive atmosphere. There's what's called a meta, and the meta 261 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: is basically decks that are competitive in that format. So 262 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: there's probably at any time there's four to five decks 263 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: that are competitive enough at that time to to win. 264 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: So you have your deck that you're playing with, and 265 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: you play test against those other decks with your friends 266 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: in order to figure out like what's what works best. 267 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: You know how to adjust mid game because each game 268 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: you can take cards from your sideboard and add it 269 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: into your deck. So I'd say definitely play testing would 270 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: be your film watching or or your practice preparation. Tell 271 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: me about your excitement of your Grand Open, Cash Cards Unlimited. 272 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: What was it like Westlake Village, California? How big is 273 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: what's makes a pretty big city? I think it's right 274 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: outside of l A. It's like right past the valley, 275 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: so it's like Wooden Hills, and then there's like little 276 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: cities in in between there. But Calabasas is next, and 277 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: then like a Girl Hills and then what's like it's 278 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: basically right outside of Calabasas. Grand Opening versus getting drafted. 279 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: Definitely getting drafted. I mean it was it was a dream, 280 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: you know. Opening the cards store was was a dream 281 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: of mine, and like it's something that I felt like 282 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: would be great and would be a lot of fun 283 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: and something for me to do when I got done playing. 284 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: But you know, ever since I was a little kid, 285 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: you know when they ask you what what did you 286 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: want to be when you grow up? My answers since 287 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: I was like six or seven years old was being 288 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: an NFL player. Like, I never never anything else. And 289 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, your teachers are always like, maybe you should, 290 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: you know, write something else. You know, not often do 291 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: people go to the NFL or whatever, But I no hesitation. 292 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: I never listened to them. My mind was made up. 293 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: I knew exactly what I wanted to do, and so 294 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: achieving that was amazing and it was it was a 295 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: great feeling, regardless of what round I went, just to 296 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: be able to make it to the NFL was just 297 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: had always been a German mind. So what type of 298 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: impact as a football player today? Did your dad and 299 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: your brother haven't played in the NFL, what kind of 300 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: impact did they have a huge impact? You know, you 301 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: always look up to you know, obviously your father and 302 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: your older brother. You know, my dad was an incredible athlete, 303 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: and he wasn't around as much when I was a kid, 304 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: but the couple of the few times that he was around, 305 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: I was able to it was him teaching me how 306 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: to lift, or taking me on the field and putting 307 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: me through ladder drills, and you know, I always just 308 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: wanted to make him proud, always wanted to be like 309 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: him and be like my older brother, and so, you know, 310 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: just being able to just see them achieve, you know, 311 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: going to the NFL and and I remember vividly my 312 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: brother getting drafted, being over at his his mother's house, 313 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: and and being with him when he got drafted by 314 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: the Eagles. I just remember being like, it's almost my time, 315 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He was four years older 316 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: than me, and I think I had just enrolled at 317 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: at at U c l A. And I was just 318 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: I was so heavily motivated by seeing it just felt 319 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: so tangible to me. It was right there. So um, 320 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: they definitely had a huge impact on me growing up. 321 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: So I would assume the teacher that said, hey, don't 322 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: just write NFL player, I assume she didn't know about 323 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: your father and your brother, I would think, right, No, 324 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: definitely not. Well, I think the teachers when I was 325 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: younger that my brother hadn't hadn't achieved it yet. But 326 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, they definitely didn't know about my dad, 327 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: that's for sure. So but yeah, man, that it's funny. 328 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: I actually I wonder what those teachers are doing now. 329 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: You know, I'd love to have a have a conversation 330 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: with them and just just touch base. But but I 331 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: do you know, I actually had this teacher when I 332 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: was in middle school who completely supported that that dream, 333 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: and I'll never forget her name is Mrs Geffen. I 334 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: knew it and she and she was like, yep, like 335 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,239 Speaker 1: I believe it. Cash, It's like you're gonna do it, 336 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: and like I just loved her so much. You know, 337 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: has your dad's transition out your dad trans just transition 338 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: out the game, your brother's transitioned out the game. Has 339 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: that helped you think about transition at some point? Yeah? No, absolutely, 340 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: I think you know, I think both both my dad 341 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: and my brother really struggled with the transition out of 342 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: the NFL as a lot of guys, do you know, 343 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: you spend your whole life as a football player, and 344 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of men identify themselves 345 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: as a football player, like that is who I am. 346 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: And so you know when that when that's no longer 347 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: a part of you know, I mean, you're never not 348 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: a football player, you know what I mean, Like that, 349 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: that never goes away, But when your career is no 350 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 1: longer being a football player, you know, obviously a lot 351 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: of guys struggled. So seeing them struggle to transition, and 352 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: in the amount of time it took, in the mental strain, 353 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: emotional strain I watched them go through definitely made me 354 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: think about it and and make me want to be 355 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: more prepared for that transition, you know, figure out what 356 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to do while I was in the NFL 357 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: instead of waiting until I was done and I had. 358 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: I had a lot of vets who really reinforced you 359 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: know that message. You know, always pushed me to be more. 360 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: Michael Bennett and Cliff April had a huge impact on 361 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: me and my my first four years in the league. 362 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: You know, they always made me think about life after ball, 363 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: even though you know, in my head I was gonna 364 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: play forever and I was gonna be the best that 365 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: ever was. And you know, you couldn't tell me anything, 366 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: but they always made me think about it, and I'm 367 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: very grateful to them for that. As we transition, if 368 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: you take advantage of any of the NFL programs, player 369 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: development programs, have you taken advantage of into those resources 370 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: also help you prepare? I have just really started to 371 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: I think that starting my business may really opened my 372 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: eyes to it. There's so many resources provided by the 373 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: NFL that guys really don't tap into. And the NFL 374 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: has been in the PA has been extremely supportive of 375 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: my business and helping me to get the word out 376 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: and helping me to grow it. They are working on 377 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: getting me into the the Legacy program, the Business Legacy Program, 378 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to do as much as I can 379 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: and take advantage of all the different programs. So Darrell 380 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: Young has been helping me with all that stuff. He's 381 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: he's been amazing. He's he's a new guy here in 382 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and he's he's been extremely supportive and been helping 383 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: me guide me through this process and helping me find 384 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: which ways I can take advantage of all the things 385 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: that the NFL p A offers. What would Cash just 386 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: tell his rookie self today, I would say, be patient 387 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: except criticism, and just enjoy the journey and embrace the process, 388 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: and don't try and get there too fast. That's what 389 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: I would say. Don't be too eager, and and be grateful. 390 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: Be grateful for everything because it's such a blessing. And 391 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: I've seen so many guys come and go and let 392 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: ego get in the way of their career. If I 393 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: could talk to myself, I would definitely try and humble 394 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: myself and definitely tell myself to put my ego to 395 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: the side and and just work. Cash is when I 396 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: asked you that question. You may not realize this. It 397 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: was like you went into a solemn moment enough. Seriously, 398 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if you caught that. It was literally 399 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: like you had spent some time thinking about this. Tell 400 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: me about that. Well, I think that I think that 401 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: early on in my career, you know, I was so 402 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: you know, I let my ego get in the way 403 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: of you know, my growth and my relationships with coaches 404 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: and different organizations. I think that that is the reason 405 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: why I haven't had much opportunity in this league, you know, 406 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: as a pass rusher, and um, you know, I'm there's 407 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: nobody to blame for that, but but me, I definitely 408 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: have done a ton of self reflection on, you know, 409 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: my career. I mean, I'm starting year eight now, so 410 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 1: you know, I've got a little brother too, and so 411 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: I think about that often because I want to make 412 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: sure that, you know, he has all the knowledge that 413 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: he needs so that he doesn't make the same mistakes 414 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: that I do or I did. So I've definitely spent 415 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: a lot of time thinking about those things and how 416 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: I could have done better early on in my career 417 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: to set myself up to stay with the same team 418 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: and be one of those guys that's ten years with 419 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: the same team and and that stability and staying with 420 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: the same organization and you know, really thriving in the league. 421 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: So I'm grateful for my journey in the NFL has 422 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: taught me so much. But I'm a loyal dude, you 423 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I would have loved to stay 424 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: with one team, But honestly, I'm still very grateful because 425 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 1: I'm here in Pittsburgh now and it's such amazing organization. 426 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: I'm very grateful to be a part of the Pittsburgh Steelers. 427 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: And you're in your eighth season. You know the number 428 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: eight represents new beginnings, right, it does? It does? So 429 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: you know who who knows? You know, maybe I'll spend 430 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: the rest of my career here and you know, hopefully 431 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: we get ourselves a Super Bowl ring and uh and 432 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: I can become a world champion as a part of 433 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: one of the best organizations in the NFL. So did 434 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: someone help you come to the self awareness that you 435 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: just described to me? Just maturation on your own? You know, 436 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: I've had conversation you know, everybody in my life. I 437 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: keep a very small circle. You know. I'm all about 438 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: good energy and keeping toxic energy out of my life. 439 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: So the people who are around me, my mother, my fiance, 440 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: my my friends, they make me want to be better. 441 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: I think becoming a father you a lot of self reflection, 442 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: you know, because sorry, I get emotional. I think about 443 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: my son. Wow. He uh you know, he made me 444 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: want to be better. So yeah, and I appreciate the 445 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: realness to this conversation. I really do. As we close 446 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: it out, when you go on the NFL team or 447 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: even in high school, could you identify the guys who 448 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: were card players like in the Magic Game be could 449 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: you identify it. No, No, honestly, no, no way, because 450 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: it's crazy, you know you I don't think anybody would 451 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: have ever guessed in high school that I play I 452 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: was playing Magic. None of my friends had any idea that, like, 453 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: they didn't know, No, they had no clue. I was 454 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: just disappearing on Friday nights. They had no idea. And 455 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: I never said anything to him because I was like, 456 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: I never thought in a million years that had any interest. 457 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: And then nobody who had ever talked to in college 458 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: had played. And you know, there's been a couple of 459 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: guys in the NFL that that have played around or 460 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: played around with it. But I would never be able 461 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: to like just look at a person and be like, oh, yeah, 462 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: he's for sure like Magic the Gathering player. You know, 463 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: Doug Baldwin plays Magic the Gathering um. But there's nothing 464 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: about him that you know, would would make you know, 465 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: there's nothing about him. I mean, obviously extremely intelligent person. 466 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: Intelligence is definitely required to play the game. But yeah, no, 467 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: it's a mystery man. The athletes that there's a lot 468 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: of guys who are actually starting to pop up and 469 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: show interest in you know, trading cards and collectibles, and 470 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: there's been a couple of other guys who have shown 471 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: in just some playing the Game of Magic. So, you know, 472 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: one of my one of my goals is to spread 473 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: the game to everybody, because typically Magic the gathering players 474 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: are pretty nerdy guys, you know, the dudes who didn't 475 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: really make it on the sports teams and weren't as 476 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: athletic or popular and um. You know, although those guys 477 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: are all amazing and just super cool people, very humble 478 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: people to be around, you know, I want to spread 479 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: the game to to the masses. You know. I think 480 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: it's a wonderful game, and I think there's a lot 481 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: to learn and a lot to gain from from being 482 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: a part of the Magic community. So and from what 483 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: I understand is we close out cash, you're doing some 484 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: anti bowling work. Yeah. So my my message, my message 485 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: through the Game of Magic is like I was saying, 486 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: typically these guys are probably the kids who were getting bullied, 487 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, prior to the last couple of years where 488 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: this stuff is all becoming popular. A lot of those 489 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: guys get picked on. And so that's why I want 490 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: to spread the game and spread this community and show people, 491 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: you know, how how great it is. So so that 492 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: those people don't have to go through those types of experiences, 493 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I want them, I 494 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: want them to know how cool it is. And I 495 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: want those type of people who were doing the bullying 496 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: to realize that they were bullying someone who now has 497 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollar black Lotus in there and they're 498 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: safe and is able to pay for, you know, their 499 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: child's college tuition with you know, one card that they 500 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: had collected as a child. I know guys who have 501 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: paid for houses, you know, with magic cards. You know, 502 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: It's it's really incredible, you know what the collectibles world 503 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: has been able to to accomplish up to this point. 504 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: And so it's definitely important for me to you know, 505 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: protect that community and and uh make people embrace it, 506 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, because a lot of people hide it and 507 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: are are ashamed of it. I want people to be 508 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: able to be proud of it. So I appreciate the 509 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: word that you're doing it is in that space. More 510 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: of us have this opportunity because in our world, right, 511 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: we all looked looked up to right and then now 512 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 1: taking that position, particularly with so much bullying going on, 513 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: So I appreciate you doing that close out we have 514 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: some quick hits. You're ready for it? Yeah, ready, Favorite 515 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: NFL city live in and why mm hmm. Well, I 516 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: found my fiance in Washington and it's it's definitely an 517 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: extremely beautiful place to live, and I didn't appreciate it 518 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: while I was there. So I'll go with Washington only 519 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: because I haven't spent enough time in Pittsburgh to to 520 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: really say favorite officer tackle to go up again? The 521 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: worst ones, I don't know. I don't even remember their names. 522 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: Favorite quarterback to sack. Russell Wilson was was my favorite 523 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: to sack because obviously I played with the guy for 524 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: so long and he's extremely elusive, hard to get to 525 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: so him and then I was able to sack Lamar 526 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: Jackson as well, and he's probably the most elusive guy 527 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: in the league. So those two definitely. If he wasn't 528 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: a football player or a card shop owner, what would 529 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: you do. I'm very into fitness, so maybe something in 530 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: that space. And I'm also really interested in real estate. 531 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: My my mom was has been an SCRO officer for 532 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: like almost twenty years, so I probably would have got 533 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: into real estate and been like a trainer on the 534 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: side or something like that. Alright, real estate trainer, Yeah, exactly. 535 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: Designer Richard Garfield. Yes, Richard Richard Garfield. Did you know 536 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: his great grandfather was the President of the United States, 537 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: James A. Garfield. How about that? Wow, I had no clue. 538 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: That's nuts. Think about that, man. And so when you 539 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: these legacies that are built, man for this, this gentleman 540 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: to to create this game and then have this legacy 541 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: in his life. So this has been awesome. Man. I 542 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: just wanted to give you something that I do my 543 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: whole work because I found it very interesting. That is 544 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: a great fact. I'm gonna tell all my friends that 545 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: that's actually that's awesome. Richard Garfield. Wow, that's crazy, that 546 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,239 Speaker 1: Cash is. This has been fantastic, man. Thank you for 547 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: carving out time you're in training camp. Man. I don't 548 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: know if I was a training camp if I would 549 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: have done a podcast like this. So thank you so much. Man. 550 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: The best is yet to come. Cash, Absolutely, brother, I 551 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: appreciate the time and and and the questions. Man, it 552 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: was a wonderful conversation, brother, I really appreciate it. To 553 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,479 Speaker 1: provide feedback or request the topic for discussion, email us 554 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: at NFL Legends at NFL dot com m