Speaker 1: Guess what decision we're about to make.
Speaker 2: Horrible decision.
Speaker 3: Hey, y'all, welcome to another episode of Harbard Bled.
Speaker 1: This is Young.
Speaker 2: I'm your girl, Mandy b aka Stallion aka Debt Beach.
Speaker 2: It's sugar and wheezy, and I'm super excited for this episode.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you it's a secret? Tell us a secret.
Speaker 1: If I wasn't a.
Speaker 2: Sex podcaster, I would totally talk about true grime literally
Speaker 2: what she was wanting us to do on Patriotic I
Speaker 2: was like, bitch, we talk about six indeed, girl gonna
Speaker 2: make another show.
Speaker 1: Any literally came together, though, I do because niggas be
Speaker 1: trying to kill my pissy.
Speaker 2: And two, I get a little crazy to where, you know,
Speaker 2: I just feel like anybody at every dated it is
Speaker 2: like should I sleep with one eye open?
Speaker 3: But we have the ladies from Sisters who kill and
Speaker 3: do crime podcasts, and I'm really excited again. I love
Speaker 3: collaborating with other podcasters, but also tee because we don't
Speaker 3: all been there where we might want to kill a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: So with our little icebreaker, there's four of us. I
Speaker 3: do want you all to introduce yourselves and then we
Speaker 3: gonna see who the craziest bitch of.
Speaker 2: All of us is?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, hi everybody, I am Mara Williams. You can
Speaker 4: find me everywhere as Maraba magnificent.
Speaker 2: Come on, magnificent, non tesz okay. Now we have to
Speaker 2: know for the sex. Remember we needed like AOL chatroom
Speaker 2: age sexual orientation location.
Speaker 4: I am twenty nine, I will be Oh, I'm thirty.
Speaker 4: I'll be thirty next week. Okay, okay cash at Mara
Speaker 4: will So, I am thirty. I identify as bisexual and
Speaker 4: I am in Atlanta, Georgia.
Speaker 5: I am thirty, I said, I also identify as bisexual.
Speaker 1: And what was the last question? Where you located?
Speaker 2: Elma, the Atlanta girls and a bisexuality. It's in the water, honestly, No,
Speaker 2: I just meet it everywhere now, No, no, no, I
Speaker 2: think meeting straight people in Atlanta's kind of like, oh
Speaker 2: are you lying?
Speaker 4: But what's crazy is that when I grew up here,
Speaker 4: I was dating guys all of high school and then
Speaker 4: it wasn't until I went to college that I had
Speaker 4: my first girlfriend.
Speaker 1: I pretty much was dating all girls.
Speaker 4: And one of my friends was like, I don't think
Speaker 4: that you can't claim bisexual anymore.
Speaker 1: Because I ain't seen you with a man in a
Speaker 1: long time.
Speaker 4: So she's trying to say right, and so now that
Speaker 4: I'm dating a guy again, they're like, okay, you do
Speaker 4: remember what men look like.
Speaker 1: Waves.
Speaker 3: I went out last night to Copper Cove and I
Speaker 3: was just looking around, and I was like, everyone here
Speaker 3: is so fucking pretty, Like Atlanta is just full.
Speaker 2: Of so many women, Like the place was full of women.
Speaker 3: But I was like, bitch, everybody fine, everybody is fucking gorgeous.
Speaker 3: And I was just like, I guess New York is
Speaker 3: school too, but there's it's just so mixy. It's mixed
Speaker 3: in terms of like how everyone dresses. I look everyone here,
Speaker 3: not saying y'all look alike, but everybody look really motherfucking
Speaker 3: I'll say that my.
Speaker 1: City, for what you just said, is d C.
Speaker 2: I think what I love about Atlanta is the girls
Speaker 2: all themselves up here, and I think that's dope. But
Speaker 2: what I love about d C is I do think
Speaker 2: I could see the most natural looking natural, like a
Speaker 2: very ethereal looking girl, and I'm just like, oh damn.
Speaker 2: But you know, we're in like those spaces where it's
Speaker 2: just like black cities with colleges and you're we're just
Speaker 2: not surrounded like that.
Speaker 1: New York is a melting pot.
Speaker 2: It is beautiful, but Brooklyn in the summertime is the
Speaker 2: most blow. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. All Right, let's get out to kill.
Speaker 3: Yes, if you can explain a little bit about what
Speaker 3: y'all get into on the pot, and then we go
Speaker 3: see how we navigate that in real life over yere.
Speaker 1: Well, well, we talk about black women who kill.
Speaker 5: We basically try and start in the beginning getting as
Speaker 5: much information as we can what was their childhood like
Speaker 5: because maybe those instances played in effect on.
Speaker 1: What led up to the murder.
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, we uh introduce them to the victim
Speaker 5: or maybe their accomplishes, and keep going through these stages
Speaker 5: of life because everything that happens to you build you
Speaker 5: as a person, and then get to the crime.
Speaker 1: Talk about the trial and where are they now.
Speaker 5: They might still be in jail, some are released, some
Speaker 5: are dead, So just kind of talk about that. And
Speaker 5: then we have two segments that we do after telling
Speaker 5: a story. We have I'm not black, I'm Oja because
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: You, oh god.
Speaker 5: You know how you be watching like a crime show
Speaker 5: and be like wow, would she do that? Now she
Speaker 5: knows she should have, so I ain't do it. But
Speaker 5: if I did, yeah, and we'll tell like stuff like that,
Speaker 5: and it we'll do parole and no parole, and so
Speaker 5: we just right. And so sometimes they'll be in the
Speaker 5: prison and they'll be like doing work, like teaching classes.
Speaker 5: Or sometimes we might have think she got a hard
Speaker 5: sentence or something, so we might parola. And sometimes she
Speaker 5: just did what she did and she deserved it.
Speaker 2: In a snowfro, why do you think we're obsessed with
Speaker 2: crime in jail in death. What do you think that
Speaker 2: is from what you learned from like doing the show?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean I always liked True crime before I started
Speaker 4: the show, but I think it's the sense of the
Speaker 4: fact that it's real, like I can actually go out,
Speaker 4: it can happen. I know, if I feel overly prepared,
Speaker 4: then I finally feel a little bit prepared.
Speaker 2: There ain't no fairies, there ain't no aliens.
Speaker 1: These are real life.
Speaker 2: They literally had regular jobs, families, They could be your.
Speaker 1: Labor is so normal, so normal killer.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, We went to high school with the first girls.
Speaker 4: That the first story that we told We went to
Speaker 4: high school with them. I was on the track team.
Speaker 4: They were at ROTC. You were in a class or something.
Speaker 4: We saw them get arrested at school.
Speaker 1: What yeah, what was.
Speaker 2: The tea around school for that?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: How do you?
Speaker 1: Oh? No, the icemaker nigga go. Well, see, they got
Speaker 1: arrested on the last day of school. They didn't even
Speaker 1: have to think in right.
Speaker 4: But but Task told us when we told the when
Speaker 4: we did the podcast. I didn't know this, but Task
Speaker 4: that she heard that there was an informant, like one
Speaker 4: of the students was an informant at the school.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was true.
Speaker 5: I didn't hear that, but I read that in an
Speaker 5: article like when I was doing research.
Speaker 1: Hold on, why did they kill their right? She didn't
Speaker 1: let them go out? Okay?
Speaker 5: So they grew up being raised by their grandmother. Generationally,
Speaker 5: the parents have had their kids as teenagers. The great grandmother,
Speaker 5: the grandmother, and the mother have had their kids at teenagers.
Speaker 5: So she had her twins at sixteen.
Speaker 1: I know she was having twins, found out while her
Speaker 1: legs wide open.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm in their podcast, you know.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 5: They were raised by their grandmother because the mom was
Speaker 5: young and she wasn't necessarily ready to be a No,
Speaker 5: they was raised by their great grandmother and their mom
Speaker 5: is young, so she's not necessarily ready to be a parent.
Speaker 5: She gets a boyfriend, she decides, and now she's ready
Speaker 5: to settle down. She wants her twins back. And the
Speaker 5: way the articles present it is the mom wanted more structure.
Speaker 5: They were, you know, getting over on their grandmother and
Speaker 5: they didn't have too many rules, and that's why they
Speaker 5: wanted to stay with their grandmother. But I think looking
Speaker 5: deeper than that, there was one twin you know, said
Speaker 5: that she was sexually assaulted and.
Speaker 1: Old mom and mom was like, no, you weren't you
Speaker 1: just out here being fast?
Speaker 2: Wait a second, and was this? Did it get clarified
Speaker 2: whether it was someone their age or if it was
Speaker 2: a family member.
Speaker 4: They didn't clarify that, but okay, they were being blamed
Speaker 4: when they brought it to their mom.
Speaker 1: They were being blamed also, like when.
Speaker 4: A lot of the articles were like, these girls were
Speaker 4: so spoiled, how could they have possibly not liked their mom?
Speaker 4: They had everything they needed. Their mom was a hairdresser,
Speaker 4: so of course their hair was always going to be done.
Speaker 4: That's just a given. And we know, like when your
Speaker 4: mom is mad at you and she not talking to you,
Speaker 4: and y'all kind of got the silent treatment in the house.
Speaker 1: What are the things that break the ice? Let's go
Speaker 1: get something to eat here.
Speaker 4: I bought you this from the store, so you can
Speaker 4: we know as black women that you can be look
Speaker 4: spoiled on the outside and really have a lot of
Speaker 4: trouble on the aside. And every time that white people
Speaker 4: were telling this story, they weren't saying those.
Speaker 2: Things, what are you making us side with the king?
Speaker 1: No no no no no no no.
Speaker 3: No no, but your own mother like and and trigger warning
Speaker 3: your own mother though not really taking in to protect
Speaker 3: you when you come to her that you've been sexually.
Speaker 1: Assault right, and it makes us question the bigger thing.
Speaker 4: So like they had to be in family court for
Speaker 4: quite a while because the girls were running away, they
Speaker 4: were doing a lot of things, and in the family
Speaker 4: court they were saying, we don't want to be a mom.
Speaker 4: Mom is trying to get starting, get drug tested, going
Speaker 4: to the parenting classes so she can get the girls back.
Speaker 4: The girls say in the courtroom, we do not want
Speaker 4: to live with her. They even yelled out after the
Speaker 4: judge that they had to live back with mom. They
Speaker 4: were like, if we have to live with her, we're
Speaker 4: going to kill her inurthouse and no one did anything.
Speaker 4: So now here's the bigger question. Who's really to blame?
Speaker 4: If the girls are saying that they're distressed in this situation,
Speaker 4: they don't want to be here there their family, the
Speaker 4: family court gave them therapists through a year. They went
Speaker 4: through like what nine different therapists, So how are they
Speaker 4: really getting helped? So now we get to ask the
Speaker 4: bigger questions. We know that wrong is wrong and they
Speaker 4: shouldn't have killed their mother, but who else was responsible
Speaker 4: for making sure that this didn't happen?
Speaker 1: So this is giving me a little bit of Gypsy Rose.
Speaker 1: And for those that, yeah, don't know who.
Speaker 2: Gypsy Rose is, well, no, when Gypsy and her mom
Speaker 2: kept her being ill, was giving her medicine? Like making
Speaker 2: her think that she was sick, wasn't giving her a
Speaker 2: normal life? Like I'm actually totally on the fensive killing
Speaker 2: Like I understand.
Speaker 5: And I think I think that's the purpose of it
Speaker 5: because it's not always going to be as blatant as
Speaker 5: my mom was.
Speaker 1: It's not black and white jugging. Yeah what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and in this case you see another girl.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but like and that's and that's why we
Speaker 5: find it important to start at childhood and say these
Speaker 5: life events because the more information you got, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 5: well maybe they do have a side to this. And
Speaker 5: it's again not to say that they're right, but are
Speaker 5: they the monsters that everybody points them out to be?
Speaker 1: Right? Black and white? Though?
Speaker 2: The way that we got to understand Gypsy right, not
Speaker 2: to say that these girls had no you know, story
Speaker 2: similar to hers, but I watched like a little Hulu
Speaker 2: doc and it made me feel sympathetic for her, right,
Speaker 2: I still think she deserves that empathy. But yeah, you're
Speaker 2: watching her mom take all this money and all these
Speaker 2: donations to fund her daughter who's not sick, put her
Speaker 2: on TV, putting her a little in the little gauze
Speaker 2: turban that she got cancer. That's fucking crazy. It's crazy
Speaker 2: to me because but do they do it for black Cat?
Speaker 3: Going back just that story and them saying that in court,
Speaker 3: I think definitely wanting to lean into the relationship and
Speaker 3: romantic passion kills. That's what happened to my cousin last year,
Speaker 3: like she was trying to leave. Also, another friend of
Speaker 3: mine is oh my god. I think in the last
Speaker 3: two weeks two people murder suicides have been brought up.
Speaker 3: But someone trying to leave a relationship, someone saying I'll
Speaker 3: kill you, someone saying they'll do this, and a lot
Speaker 3: of people unfortunately don't believe that as a threat until
Speaker 3: it happens.
Speaker 5: And the most importantly, the police don't believe it is
Speaker 5: the police.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You have anything to back
Speaker 1: this up? And it's like if I'm not coming in
Speaker 1: with cuts and bruises, like.
Speaker 2: I don't have a case, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like you have to Well, I want to make this
Speaker 2: a little fun.
Speaker 1: I want to stay who.
Speaker 2: Is Yeah, we get deep, but I do want to
Speaker 2: see which of us we think would be you know,
Speaker 2: more of a killer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, out of YouTube.
Speaker 2: If there was a crime of passion to happen, whether
Speaker 2: you're fans, it would be me.
Speaker 1: It would be me. Now, why is that? I love?
Speaker 1: I love hard and when I do, I give you
Speaker 1: my all. And then if I feel like you taken
Speaker 1: advantage of that ship, I will snatch that shit back.
Speaker 2: What's the craziest thing you've done? In a relationship, like
Speaker 2: have you like Keita Keita car or.
Speaker 4: Like you know, I've actually never messed with anybody's vehicle
Speaker 4: because it was very it was a long journey for
Speaker 4: me to get my first car, so I really in
Speaker 4: my first car. I love that hooped evend know ac
Speaker 4: so much, so much, so I actually have never messed
Speaker 4: with anybody's car.
Speaker 1: I have stolen somebody's car.
Speaker 4: Well, I drove it back like ten minutes later, she said,
Speaker 4: after she said she was calling the police. I would
Speaker 4: have been sisters who go to jail, So you stole
Speaker 4: a car, Okay, I actual physical altercations have happened, but like,
Speaker 4: I've actually never been arrested. I've said people, I've sent
Speaker 4: some people to jail.
Speaker 1: Have you sent people to jail? Because you see.
Speaker 4: I don't want to go to jail, so I'm gonna
Speaker 4: send you. And if you mess with me, I am like, oh,
Speaker 4: you're gonna hit me.
Speaker 1: You're gonna hit me? You're absolutely no, no, wait, yes, I'm.
Speaker 2: I think I think out of us, it's definitely weazy
Speaker 2: more than me. I feel like the comments are like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's like yeah, for sure, I'm not like that crazy,
Speaker 2: but I'm erratic, Like I think I'm so like normally
Speaker 2: chill and calm every day that like you do that
Speaker 2: one little thing it's over dude, Like I can be like,
Speaker 2: but it could be anyone.
Speaker 1: It's not just romantically.
Speaker 2: It's like sometimes I feel like maybe it's because I
Speaker 2: don't set enough boundaries, which also is the thing I
Speaker 2: see with killers, right, Sometimes I don't really let people
Speaker 2: know that the things.
Speaker 1: They're doing are bothering me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you let that boil in fester, what happens.
Speaker 2: My bro story, and this was the only time I
Speaker 2: put myself in a position and was like, damn, I
Speaker 2: might kill the motherfucker for this.
Speaker 3: So she was dealing with a guy at the time
Speaker 3: who was in a relationship. The guy was living with
Speaker 3: his girlfriend. The guy was bringing my friend to the
Speaker 3: girlfriend's house to fuck, and she came home early like
Speaker 3: one day while she was at the house and hid
Speaker 3: and snuck out.
Speaker 1: And so all I could do was why did she hide?
Speaker 1: Because she heard it?
Speaker 3: She did because the girl came in the house. The
Speaker 3: girlfriend came home, so she had in the bathroom and
Speaker 3: he had to navigate getting her out of the house.
Speaker 3: He was with her while the girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Was in the house.
Speaker 2: So I'm hearing this story and I immediately actually put
Speaker 2: myself in that position. My last relationship was probably the
Speaker 2: most I've ever loved someone, the most. I felt like,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, And even though we had dealt with
Speaker 2: other women, I to bite sexual. Even though we had
Speaker 2: dealt with other women. I couldn't fathom if I came
Speaker 2: home and he had a bitch in my ship. That
Speaker 2: to me. I thought about it, and I was like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I'm on a bitch, I'm on the top.
Speaker 1: In the purse. The goddamn who's gonna go in the purse?
Speaker 2: What do you mean? Like, I'm like, I don't even
Speaker 2: know who I would get first, because there are not
Speaker 2: him him. She might not know even though my pictures wait, no,
Speaker 2: my pictures all over them.
Speaker 1: A woman's such in the house is very prominent. They
Speaker 1: know you're right your homegirl. You didn't know she was
Speaker 1: in another woman's house.
Speaker 2: And no, I think she knew. That's how And she said,
Speaker 2: that's how good the dick.
Speaker 1: Was, girl, I see. And those are the times where
Speaker 1: I was like, and that's when the side bitch gotta go.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, you know, I both gotta go no, you
Speaker 5: can sit there and suffer.
Speaker 4: You can sit there and suffer. Good luck dating, tell
Speaker 4: me about your eggs. Well, she's in prison because she
Speaker 4: killed my side bitch because I was cheating. Good luck
Speaker 4: dating for the rest of 'am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no shit, oh my god.
Speaker 1: And I'll sit there a smile on my muck shot.
Speaker 2: Honestly, with Mandy's X the stories that we've heard on
Speaker 2: the show, it wouldn't be be surprised a lot of
Speaker 2: I'd go to court for you for, but that one,
Speaker 2: I'd be right there. I didn't see her, do I
Speaker 2: have nothing camera watching us slit his throat.
Speaker 1: That was I in my right mind. I think I
Speaker 1: was asleep.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, nah, yeah no. And it's crazy too, and
Speaker 2: I would love to know if there's a story, We'll
Speaker 2: get into some But I was just talking to someone
Speaker 2: about hypnotism and and how he could literally hypnotize people,
Speaker 2: and you know he was doing it for some time,
Speaker 2: and I was like, damn, I wonder how many times
Speaker 2: that's used in court that maybe they were hypnotized or
Speaker 2: under some psychological spell to do something.
Speaker 4: I mean, clearly I don't know about spells, but I
Speaker 4: mean you can have a psychosis that is admissible in
Speaker 4: court as a defense.
Speaker 2: So why don't everybody just say that?
Speaker 1: I think they are.
Speaker 2: But how do you grow that?
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean you have to be like a
Speaker 5: doctor has to sign off on that this is a
Speaker 5: break and I think I can't remember who it is.
Speaker 5: But remember she was playing and they kept sending her
Speaker 5: back to as a doctor.
Speaker 1: And the doctor kept saying, stop sending her here. She
Speaker 1: is fine, she can she can go to the Green
Speaker 1: Britter and doctor has cleared her. What. There's a dude
Speaker 1: in the Young Thug trial. I wish the one that
Speaker 1: is played. He's like, I don't remember, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: You know, he's trying not to be a snitch. I
Speaker 1: get it. He's like, I don't know nothing. I'll do
Speaker 1: that for you, friend. Well thank you. Now let me
Speaker 1: ask all this. This is kind of a sick question.
Speaker 2: But fuck it. Okay, okay, I'm not saying I've learned
Speaker 2: anything from Netflix murder shows or anything, but what I
Speaker 2: will say is you we we hear that the people say, well,
Speaker 2: this is teaching you how to kill, right. I don't
Speaker 2: think I could kill someone like with a knife or
Speaker 2: fit like something like that where you touch because I
Speaker 2: feel like that's too far. When I'm like watching the
Speaker 2: ain't happened, I'm not gonna take pleasure in that, right,
Speaker 2: I can see me shooting a nigga if they're gone
Speaker 2: right there though, So.
Speaker 3: You definitely gonna do that in Cali, not New York. Mean,
Speaker 3: ain't nobody got guns in New York? Oh yeah, the
Speaker 3: gunloads are crazy. That's why I don't feel safe here.
Speaker 3: I'm ready to get the fuck out.
Speaker 4: I just feel like in Atlanta, you automatically In the South,
Speaker 4: you just automatically assume that everybody has a weapon, yes,
Speaker 4: and you move accordingly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's my thing, not the way people be
Speaker 2: dealing with other people's bitches and niggas and dating and
Speaker 2: all going out.
Speaker 1: Like those are people that are transplants.
Speaker 2: But this is my thing too now.
Speaker 3: But carrying carrying a weapon, I don't feel like a
Speaker 3: lot of people are psychologically right, so their tick tick boom,
Speaker 3: they could have had a bad fucking more, you.
Speaker 6: Know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is actually something that's kind of made me
Speaker 2: scared about arguments. In California, I was with my Georgia
Speaker 2: with Alex Alex Media.
Speaker 1: We were in the car.
Speaker 2: This dude yelled at me or something, and I pulled
Speaker 2: up on them and I'm like, what do you think
Speaker 2: you're talking to? And Alex like pushed my foot down
Speaker 2: on the gas, like, bro, people will kill you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: He's like you just talking ship Like no, And honestly,
Speaker 2: I forget about gun laws and forget someone can snap.
Speaker 2: So what I wanted to ask though, if y'all were
Speaker 2: gonna do it okay, what would be the way would
Speaker 2: be poisoned? Be choking them to his sex would be
Speaker 2: leading them into a trap.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think about, like do I want to
Speaker 4: keep all my secrets myself because I might need them
Speaker 4: one day?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because they've they've run in this tape right back.
Speaker 4: When you court right, I'm like, I over shared on
Speaker 4: the podcast. I'm like, I've got to stop. I feel
Speaker 4: like it would have to be like a small needle,
Speaker 4: like a that you get a shot with like wind
Speaker 4: X or some type of solution so that you barely
Speaker 4: have an entry point and then you're.
Speaker 2: Wow, not bitchin wow, what about what about you?
Speaker 5: I definitely wanted to look like an accident, like it's
Speaker 5: definitely not gonna be like a gun or anything.
Speaker 1: Maybe it'd have to be some type of poison like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I feel like if I end up like
Speaker 4: if I end up killing and passion, and I definitely
Speaker 4: didn't think it out, that means it's definitely not first degree.
Speaker 4: But there are things that you should do, Like if
Speaker 4: I accidentally slash somebody's throat, Oh my goodness, I am
Speaker 4: now very remorseful. I'm gonna be the one that calls
Speaker 4: the police. I'm gonna be the one that gets If
Speaker 4: you come, you're gonna see that I tried. Like I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be covered in blood. You're gonna see that I tried.
Speaker 4: So that's get.
Speaker 1: Between eight to twelve and fifty to li issue.
Speaker 2: Know.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: You better you better be sad as soon as you're
Speaker 2: doing you know.
Speaker 1: I would, I would hire uh yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2: See, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I'm an entrepreneur.
Speaker 2: Well now, well now because I am like because I
Speaker 2: got the money, and but now that I'm like literally
Speaker 2: healed from my last relationship, I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 2: wanted to go. I knew where he parked his car,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to keep it just because I felt
Speaker 2: like it would make me feel.
Speaker 1: Fun it wouldn't been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But then my friends were like, no, girl, because
Speaker 2: you know, there's what if you get caught. I literally
Speaker 2: was this closed to pay a crackhead. I was just
Speaker 2: gonna be like, you go twenty five dollars. I just
Speaker 2: need you to take that thing around that car about twice.
Speaker 1: Do that thing.
Speaker 3: I literally already and they were planned to pay for
Speaker 3: a crackhead to keep.
Speaker 1: Do you know how crazy? Now? I know I'm the
Speaker 1: crazier one.
Speaker 2: Why because I mean I knew that. No, No, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have paid a crackhead because if he would have
Speaker 2: suited me in court, I'd have been right there, like
Speaker 2: I don't given funk how much it costs to get
Speaker 2: out this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kid it, I know, I know even bet.
Speaker 3: With all these people courts, need my skin near craighead, just.
Speaker 1: Go on paint on the cars you again?
Speaker 2: Okay, So for me, this is how I would do it.
Speaker 2: This is really sick though you've been thinking you want
Speaker 2: to share so bad? Look no, no, no, because like she
Speaker 2: said in Jaxa, then you mentioned crimes. But I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: because I could only kill someone if I knew they
Speaker 2: wanted to cause me pain, right, or if they really
Speaker 2: tried to hurt me, like you gotta fuck my mammost up.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that's crazy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You'd be hurting for a lot less than that. It
Speaker 2: sounded myself, go ahead, I would be like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: we should go party tonight.
Speaker 1: Take this pill, not the all bitch yup.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go ahead and give him. That would
Speaker 2: be it. I'd be like mine was mdm A. I
Speaker 2: don't know what happened.
Speaker 4: And then the good Samaritan law, you can call and
Speaker 4: be like, oh my goodness, dave over and if you're
Speaker 4: on something, you won't get arrested immediately. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: say over. They overdose on fantanel. I'm calling. I'm on
Speaker 4: the same drug. I can't believe that this drug dealer
Speaker 4: gave us the wrong thing.
Speaker 5: You need to you need to like make him. You
Speaker 5: got to set it up to where like he's buying it,
Speaker 5: like pre planting it. It's his ideas right now.
Speaker 1: The scientific fellows.
Speaker 2: If you wanted to know what girls get around and
Speaker 2: talk about, it's how to kill.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: For the Vanilla Ship, I wanted to get into something
Speaker 2: Vanilla shit is our segment where we talk about sex
Speaker 2: in the news.
Speaker 1: I don't have a particular article, but something that.
Speaker 2: I keep seeing is people that work in the morgue
Speaker 2: having sex with dead bodies, and necrophilia being a kink
Speaker 2: that is sleeping with the dead.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Do you have any stories you've heard about or maybe
Speaker 2: read in the past where people killed and then had
Speaker 2: sex with the body, especially women? And I say that
Speaker 2: because we do. We do know that menn do it.
Speaker 3: Men do it, But are there any women in any
Speaker 3: of the stories that have killed their partners?
Speaker 2: And continued that that's not real lesbian.
Speaker 4: I was about to say for men, Like my go
Speaker 4: to for necophilia is ed Kemper.
Speaker 1: He's a white man. He's still locked up in l
Speaker 1: A and he's like the voice for the audio books
Speaker 1: of those really amazing sci fi movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's wait wait wait, wait, what like he got
Speaker 2: a job this? Yeah, excuse me, He not still locked up.
Speaker 1: He's still locked up. He's doing it from Jake from prison.
Speaker 2: He getting paid or better.
Speaker 1: I don't know what his payment is like. But like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be.
Speaker 4: I don't want to I don't want to get the
Speaker 4: wrong but maybe Star Trek, maybe Star like the books
Speaker 4: the audio books.
Speaker 1: Is his voice. He's got a great voice. Wow, but
Speaker 1: he's like the go to, my go to person if
Speaker 1: I'm talking about elsest.
Speaker 5: We got was that girl after she killed she was
Speaker 5: she was just looking him up.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I didn't mean to check out of this.
Speaker 5: He was in mortuary school And that was the closest
Speaker 5: we got. Thrilled him and after she killed him, she said,
Speaker 5: I can't wait to embalm his body.
Speaker 1: Whoa.
Speaker 4: And then she made one of the other roommates go
Speaker 4: and drop help her drop the body off at like
Speaker 4: this abandoned field. And he was like, I went out
Speaker 4: there with her because she was basically like, if you
Speaker 4: don't come with me, the same thing's gonna happen to you.
Speaker 1: He was like. And then she prayed and set the
Speaker 1: body on fire, and then she started dancing.
Speaker 4: He was like, and then I went back to the
Speaker 4: car and I was just gonna wait till she was
Speaker 4: done doing a little ceremony.
Speaker 2: Was did he get locked up as well? He was accomplice, He.
Speaker 4: Was accompless, but he got a short amount of time
Speaker 4: because he was like when the police came, he said.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what happened. What he was singing
Speaker 1: like the Temptations. He was like, I will tell you everything, damn.
Speaker 1: So I also read.
Speaker 2: The reason I wanted to bring that up is because
Speaker 2: I saw this thing and I love it's true that
Speaker 2: they're pushing people in like mortuary school to be women
Speaker 2: because they're having so many issues with men sleeping with
Speaker 2: dad crazy. It's got I ain't go hold you. We
Speaker 2: said it in a while, WPS. Gotta be the white
Speaker 2: men that are doing this bullshit because clearly we were
Speaker 2: talking about sisters who killed and it.
Speaker 1: Ain't got really nothing.
Speaker 2: Can you notice that black people murders ain't as crazy
Speaker 2: as white like maybe they kill you, but white people are,
Speaker 2: you know, they want to wear your head.
Speaker 1: Some stories, we have some stories. I do think that
Speaker 1: white people are worse.
Speaker 5: So like they as a percentage wise, like more of
Speaker 5: them are crazy. Yeah then because even like black people
Speaker 5: have generational trauma and but white people have generational crazy.
Speaker 1: Because we were doing.
Speaker 4: We were doing a show for one of the like
Speaker 4: true crime shows, and we had to do a white
Speaker 4: story and we were like, wow, they just like dad
Speaker 4: was crazy.
Speaker 1: They still ain't found the woman's body. They the the
Speaker 1: brother was in on it had to get rid of
Speaker 1: the car. Like everybody just work together to kill this
Speaker 1: white woman and we still can't find her. And I think,
Speaker 1: are they still walking for you? Because they couldn't find
Speaker 1: they all died.
Speaker 2: Bro, guys, like there's no lie. We just think black
Speaker 2: people don't do nothing crazy, like as far as like
Speaker 2: killing be like, oh, there ain't no way there was
Speaker 2: a black man that did. I mean, I think this
Speaker 2: year one of the craziest I guess crimes of passion
Speaker 2: was the the ballplayer. Uh, he's in the G League,
Speaker 2: but he was also with the Kings. He was an
Speaker 2: NBA player and G League player. Uh, they were in Arizona.
Speaker 2: He literally killed someone and then played a game, got
Speaker 2: on a flight, it went to the next city for
Speaker 2: the next game after killing another woman. Mind you a
Speaker 2: great game.
Speaker 1: I don't hate to be dark, but I bet that
Speaker 1: was a great.
Speaker 2: Game because you're saying literally is around all the teammates
Speaker 2: and they were like, we would have never guess literally
Speaker 2: did it like they saw in a true crime film.
Speaker 3: He did it with the girl that he was now dealing. Well,
Speaker 3: my god, they tried to plan a threesome got her
Speaker 3: to get in the car. He was in the back,
Speaker 3: killed her with an HDMI court literally choked her from
Speaker 3: behind and then dumped her body in like some lot
Speaker 3: and like he had a rednumber with the girl or
Speaker 3: Las Vegas. They were setting it up as that they
Speaker 3: were they were both sex workers. And I guess the
Speaker 3: friend was trying to tell on the other friend's pimp
Speaker 3: and like boyfriend in jail. There was a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of things, but pretty much they killed the girlfriend. Y'all
Speaker 3: could look it up. Let me see if I could
Speaker 3: get the guy's name.
Speaker 2: But just just after this year, and it's just like
Speaker 2: and everyone also was in this uh in this space,
Speaker 2: and this is where I want to get into these
Speaker 2: people being regular people. So many people in the comments
Speaker 2: were like, he was a basketball player with so much
Speaker 2: life to live and money, Why would you risk your
Speaker 2: entire livelihood? Look at Darren Sharper on that well, that
Speaker 2: he didn't kill people, he'd breaks me. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just the way of we get confused. Darren Sharper. For
Speaker 2: those who don't know, I'm speaking of nephilia, I mean
Speaker 2: literally kind of before I found out about this, I
Speaker 2: mean about what he did I remember I had an
Speaker 2: ex who was obsessed with the New Orleans Saints and
Speaker 2: Darren Sharper is fine and shit and was on the
Speaker 2: Saints usidday. Gabrielle Union Yep raped so many women to
Speaker 2: the point where they were incapacitated, like body being lifeless.
Speaker 2: And the crazy thing about it was people almost didn't
Speaker 2: couldn't empathize with the victims more than they were confused
Speaker 2: how you could be attractive and rich with Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't even want to call.
Speaker 1: It a king.
Speaker 3: No, well, I mean again, but it has to be
Speaker 3: a kid. No, there's also just some psychological shit. By
Speaker 3: the way, Chance Camachi, if you guys want to look
Speaker 3: him up. That was the basketball player this year that
Speaker 3: literally killed and the accomplice wasn't she only nineteen?
Speaker 2: She was nineteen.
Speaker 3: So the girl that helped him kill the girl and
Speaker 3: get rid of the body, he was twenty seven, she
Speaker 3: was nineteen.
Speaker 1: That yes, sound like some twenty seven and nineteen year
Speaker 1: old shit. It doesn't matter your money, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: how handsome you are, like, it doesn't matter you killer's
Speaker 1: coming off shit, they come out all the types and sizes.
Speaker 1: It's all about It's about how you're made up before
Speaker 1: you're born, how your brain is made up.
Speaker 4: And it's also about your circumstances. Everybody's like, do you
Speaker 4: make a killer or you born a killer? And I
Speaker 4: think it's really the tie in of both because you
Speaker 4: can think about children that have like developmental delays, like
Speaker 4: if you're interceeded as a young child and your parents
Speaker 4: work with you, then you can grow up and have
Speaker 4: a happy, healthy life, you know, and if you and
Speaker 4: it's the same thing when making a killer.
Speaker 3: I mean with with crimes of passion, what do you
Speaker 3: see or what have you with all the research, with
Speaker 3: all the stories do you see are like the top
Speaker 3: three things that lead women to tick tick boom? Because
Speaker 3: if men are listening here, we just sat here and
Speaker 3: talked about how we kill, they asked, let's keep them
Speaker 3: from making the mistakes that might get their asses killed.
Speaker 3: So what are like the top three things that women
Speaker 3: are like, I've had enough.
Speaker 5: I have two okay, okay, cheating and really leaving them.
Speaker 2: Wait women killed for leaving two?
Speaker 1: Do you go nowhere?
Speaker 3: So then that's what I've experienced in my direct proximity
Speaker 3: is that those normally are men like women wanting to
Speaker 3: finally leave and men being like, if I can't have you,
Speaker 3: nobody can.
Speaker 4: What's interesting is that a couple of cases that we've
Speaker 4: come across where the man wanted to leave had to
Speaker 4: do with the woman not being able to have a child,
Speaker 4: and so she would end up killing another woman who
Speaker 4: is with child, sometimes posing as she's as if she's pregnant.
Speaker 4: We've had we've done a couple of cases where the
Speaker 4: woman is like literally at term and she'll go sneak
Speaker 4: into her she's befriended her, go take go into her house,
Speaker 4: slice her open, steal the BA says, goes to the
Speaker 4: hospital and says, I just had this baby and leave
Speaker 4: that woman dead.
Speaker 1: And she did. It's one girl on her wedding day,
Speaker 1: on her wedding day, her husband and was sitting at
Speaker 1: the altar wondering where his wife was, and she was
Speaker 1: being murdered by their friend. Wait wait, will slice a
Speaker 1: baby out of her. They're called womb raiders. Yep, womb raiders.
Speaker 5: And it like she said, it's not because they want
Speaker 5: a baby. Nine times out of ten, it's he want
Speaker 5: a baby or like trying to please that person.
Speaker 1: Do you hear this? This is the clip nigga. I
Speaker 1: did not know that.
Speaker 3: Wow, how how often are you said a couple of stories,
Speaker 3: because we have at least three.
Speaker 1: We've we've got at least three.
Speaker 4: We try to stay away from cases that involve children,
Speaker 4: so you you'll get them once a month, once every month.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's it happens, And apparently it has increased
Speaker 4: in the United States over the past couple of years
Speaker 4: by like three percent. People want children, and most of
Speaker 4: the time they're doing that because they want to keep
Speaker 4: a man.
Speaker 2: And my body language, I can't even move. There's there's
Speaker 2: killer Sally. There's a lot of things recently too. I
Speaker 2: know people being in domestic by type of relationships that
Speaker 2: are both physical sexual emotional. That definitely leads women as
Speaker 2: well to feeling like that's their only way out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a good third, right, And.
Speaker 5: I think money, money, money, But then I think I
Speaker 5: think just focusing on the krime of passion part of it,
Speaker 5: I think it would be the domestic.
Speaker 1: Probably domestic.
Speaker 2: I mean with money, do you find that the money
Speaker 2: is because they're trying to get the insurance payout?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, one time a girl killed her sister's man.
Speaker 4: What just to get the money because he was a
Speaker 4: lottery winner. He won the lottery and he was taking
Speaker 4: care of the entire family. So married the girl's sister,
Speaker 4: and so the girl had it was her and her
Speaker 4: bum boyfriend, and they both needed some more money, even
Speaker 4: though he was already fronting their lifestyle. So they decided
Speaker 4: why they were going to kill him, and they were
Speaker 4: supposed to rob him, but they ended up killing him.
Speaker 1: And then there's a lot for insurance.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not going to hold you if I want
Speaker 3: motherfucking lotto. I'm just disappearing, y'all.
Speaker 2: Ain't gonna know.
Speaker 3: Podcast over, I'm in out of the country. Oh yeah, listen,
Speaker 3: I'm disappearing.
Speaker 1: Name change a bit, put a wig on.
Speaker 2: Here's a good question, though, I'm gonna have to get
Speaker 2: a boy's change would make you fall off the earth
Speaker 2: because I recently was talking about this with Reese Tisa, right,
Speaker 2: So we did an episode on Patreon me and it
Speaker 2: came about Resa and he's like, she about to quit
Speaker 2: a job, sooner, she about to be rich.
Speaker 1: I'm like, she's not gonna quit her job. He's like,
Speaker 1: of course she is.
Speaker 2: She's about to make mad bread. And I'm thinking to myself. Nah,
Speaker 2: you not quitting a job for brand deals, are you?
Speaker 2: So it postes the question how much money would make
Speaker 2: you stop everything else? Because to me, if I weren't
Speaker 2: like three million, four million dollars, I wouldn't no, because
Speaker 2: that could be gone. How much money would make you
Speaker 2: cut everything off and move?
Speaker 1: I'm a cheap host, so my price is probably a
Speaker 1: little lower. She was stopping at three million. Really, nah,
Speaker 1: I mean I keep going at three million.
Speaker 4: But if you know, when you hit those big money
Speaker 4: like the two hundred million, one hundred and fifty million,
Speaker 4: but then you have to think about you're giving half
Speaker 4: that back in taxes.
Speaker 2: No, I'm going somewhere without taxes.
Speaker 1: But if you win the lottery in America.
Speaker 3: But maybe I'm going I don't know, bitch, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: find it. There's somewhere, Oh, Switzerland, they'd be nice in
Speaker 3: the banks of Song. You're gonna be a sovereign citizen.
Speaker 3: Listen show will Hawaii's three percent? Will oh Whai is
Speaker 3: only three percent?
Speaker 2: And to be fair, the money going to Hawaiians as
Speaker 2: indigenous people, that's a pretty like that's a good.
Speaker 3: They don't want us there. I know you keep trying
Speaker 3: to make it o. Hawaii does not want us there, broke.
Speaker 3: They don't want toys, y'all know we he want to
Speaker 3: go back to Hawaii, and I'd be like, bro they
Speaker 3: do not want.
Speaker 2: About the indigenous people.
Speaker 3: They don't want you to have, bitch, get your black
Speaker 3: hats off the goddamn island.
Speaker 1: When COVID hit, it was very difficult for businesses to.
Speaker 2: Stay aflow because there was.
Speaker 1: No money pouring into the comedy.
Speaker 2: Then, on top of even Maui with the fires you
Speaker 2: remember that happened. All of them were talking about how
Speaker 2: grateful they are that we were on their part of
Speaker 2: the land, that we were cut. They don't even like
Speaker 2: what Oprah doing for them. They said, just get the
Speaker 2: fuck out, y'all. We got this, We got the fires.
Speaker 2: Because y'all keep coming over. Now, I feel like the
Speaker 2: portion of you that wants to call the police, well,
Speaker 2: I'm going, okay, now let's dig into it.
Speaker 1: So Dad tell me, y'all have some stories. We really
Speaker 1: want to know.
Speaker 2: Who are some of the craziest bitches y'all In womb Raider.
Speaker 2: I actually don't feel like I can come back from that.
Speaker 2: Womb is crazy. That's that's pretty wild. By the way,
Speaker 2: for the womb raider stories, for most other cases, are
Speaker 2: they mostly women that they know.
Speaker 1: They'll be They will befriend these women on the internet,
Speaker 1: like these mommy but sometimes mommy talk about them, says.
Speaker 4: These mommy Facebook groups, these little support groups. These women
Speaker 4: are out here faking their pregnancy. You see it all
Speaker 4: the time where people are faking their pregnancy and they
Speaker 4: get close to these women.
Speaker 1: They trust these women.
Speaker 4: They throw each other baby showers, and in reality, these
Speaker 4: women are not pregnant.
Speaker 1: It is an actual thing.
Speaker 4: Like my friends that just had babies, they were like,
Speaker 4: we were super selective about the information that we took
Speaker 4: about who we reached out to.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 4: People were like, oh, we should be friends, we should
Speaker 4: be mommy friends. You'd be like, we're not making mommy friends.
Speaker 4: Were just on these spacebook groups for information they.
Speaker 1: Are stealing. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yes, So you cut it open.
Speaker 4: Because technically you're supposed to survive, right, It's a cesarean section,
Speaker 4: and so if you're if you're you're technically you're supposed
Speaker 4: to survive. But if they're bleeding out, you don't know
Speaker 4: how to take care of them. You don't know how
Speaker 4: to make sure that they're sewn up correctly.
Speaker 2: They're going, yeah, how are they getting them to the
Speaker 2: point where like you can even cut their stomach open,
Speaker 2: Like they're.
Speaker 1: Push them, they're not much pregnant.
Speaker 4: Push them they fall cut or some one she stabbed
Speaker 4: her in the neck and then cut her. She was
Speaker 4: just making sure that the abdom was taken care of
Speaker 4: and the babies survive.
Speaker 1: Wow, can you imagine you're born?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, I no, just know wherever you're taking this one
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 4: The where the husband was waiting at the altar. They
Speaker 4: said that he went to the hospital because somebody finally
Speaker 4: told him to go to the hospital and they saw
Speaker 4: and they saw the daughter. He was, where's my daughter?
Speaker 4: They were like, sorry, this is not your child. He
Speaker 4: threw a fit, they said. All the newspaper articles were
Speaker 4: like he was not having it because of course the
Speaker 4: white people write. I was like, he was probably going
Speaker 4: up and down the house hospitals like this is my child,
Speaker 4: do a DNA test, doing a DNA test.
Speaker 1: But the woman, the murderess, she was refusing medical service.
Speaker 1: And you know you can do that.
Speaker 4: So if she's refusing to be tested or for them
Speaker 4: to look at her, they and she says this is
Speaker 4: my newborn baby. They're inclined to believe her. So it
Speaker 4: wasn't until he made a huge fuss and he was like, no, no,
Speaker 4: this woman is crazy.
Speaker 1: That is my child, not her child.
Speaker 4: Until then finally they did a DNA test and he
Speaker 4: was able to take his daughter home.
Speaker 2: And what I mean the wife didn't make it.
Speaker 1: She didn't make it on their wedding day.
Speaker 2: The psychological like warfare in his own life following that instance,
Speaker 2: like a new theory. Here's when I'd become a killer.
Speaker 2: Put me in jail for some other ship. Then a
Speaker 2: bitch like that coming to jail, I could at help,
Speaker 2: just you know, that's that's ridiculous, Like I do believe
Speaker 2: in like ganging up on people that are terrible, Like
Speaker 2: I think that's okay.
Speaker 1: The jail politics. You hear that, Yeah, that's someone came
Speaker 1: in there and did something with kids.
Speaker 3: What are some other kinds of passion? Uh that really
Speaker 3: stuck with you through doing this podcast? Mm hmm, you
Speaker 3: got one brought to the.
Speaker 1: Table test that's your favorite?
Speaker 2: Favorite?
Speaker 5: Verlina Wallace she was over in the UK, Yes she was,
Speaker 5: she was in the UK. She had at HIV dating
Speaker 5: life kind of slowed down. She joined this HIV chat
Speaker 5: room of other people with HIV, and like they learned
Speaker 5: that they can start dating and you know, having like
Speaker 5: a real life or whatever. So she falls in love
Speaker 5: with this guy, white guy, white guy. Okay, but she
Speaker 5: isn't being really abusive, like you need to do this
Speaker 5: and do that. Like she's just mean, right, financially abusive,
Speaker 5: physically spending all his money, like just she's not great.
Speaker 1: Okay. When you said financially abusive, I said, Mandy and
Speaker 1: I are financially.
Speaker 5: And so he decides that he's going to leave, and
Speaker 5: at first, she like attempts suicide. Who knows how real
Speaker 5: it was, you know, because she's doing it to get
Speaker 5: him back, so obviously are not trying to die, right,
Speaker 5: But of course he comes back like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: I left and look what she tried to do to herself.
Speaker 5: I care about her.
Speaker 1: I don't want her to hurt.
Speaker 5: So he stays for a little while and he's like,
Speaker 5: I can't take it anymore. He leaves again, and he
Speaker 5: like starts dating this new woman. He's trying to move
Speaker 5: on with his life. She's not having it. So she
Speaker 5: gets on Amazon and she orders some acid you order.
Speaker 2: Acid on Amazon. Clean t wait what no like acid? Acid?
Speaker 2: Like what do you need acid for? Like like I know,
Speaker 2: I know, like I've heard people get it thrown on them,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying.
Speaker 5: People were like you can use her drains or or
Speaker 5: even like designers like a shid washing.
Speaker 3: I said, ye, no, bright Amazon, y'all gotta y'all got man.
Speaker 3: So she ordered acid on Amazon and did.
Speaker 2: What with it?
Speaker 5: You ordered acid on Amazon? And I think like she
Speaker 5: had called him over she was like I'm not feeling
Speaker 5: well whatever, and it was like, okay, I'm come to
Speaker 5: spend the night with you again because I care with you,
Speaker 5: like I'm gonna make sure you're okay. But he's still
Speaker 5: with this other girl and he said she always keeps
Speaker 5: a cup of water on her nightstand, but this time
Speaker 5: instead of a cup of water, it was a cup
Speaker 5: of acid. And she just like he's in the bed
Speaker 5: and she gets and she just throws it all over
Speaker 5: him and his skin literally starts melting. There's like this
Speaker 5: picture of the doorbell like as he was running out
Speaker 5: the house and it's like corroded and everything, and he's
Speaker 5: in the he's in the streets screaming.
Speaker 1: It's as it is. Acid is acid.
Speaker 5: His neighbor said it sounded like a fox was getting hurt.
Speaker 5: He didn't think anything of it. Another person was like,
Speaker 5: I thought they was like on acid like tabs. I
Speaker 5: thought he was tripping, you know. And then they had
Speaker 5: to come out there and they see him melting. They're
Speaker 5: like trying of literally melting in the street.
Speaker 1: They had to get him in a cold shower like
Speaker 1: to try and stop it.
Speaker 5: But I think what eighty percent of him was like burnt,
Speaker 5: and so then he just had to go surgery.
Speaker 1: At the surgery, he burnt his vocal cords. He was
Speaker 1: he had like only two small patches on his back
Speaker 1: that were not burned. Like he couldn't speak anymore.
Speaker 5: Well, he could at first, but he was blind. And
Speaker 5: then he kept having like he would have complications and
Speaker 5: they would have to like crick him, and they did
Speaker 5: it so many times that his vocal cords stopped working.
Speaker 2: For me, she could stay in.
Speaker 5: She didn't kill him, right, So she didn't kill him.
Speaker 5: It was just an assault charge.
Speaker 2: Right, Wait, that was not an attempted murder, that was
Speaker 2: only assault.
Speaker 5: So she's in jail during that time for that. So
Speaker 5: then he he's he he gets it's like two years.
Speaker 5: He's sick of it, Like he can't talk, he can't walk,
Speaker 5: he has no quality of life, he has no quality
Speaker 5: of life. So he moves to a country where it's
Speaker 5: legal to do medical suicide, and you know, he kills
Speaker 5: himself and then his dad. When they went back and
Speaker 5: like reviewed her charges, Like does this now count as murder?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 5: Because technically what you did let to his death, but
Speaker 5: also it was a medical suicide.
Speaker 2: I see what that's your favorite? Wow? If y'all can
Speaker 2: see your face, Oh yeah, that's that's extensive. That's extensive.
Speaker 2: What about yours? Okay, yeah, give us your give us
Speaker 2: your favor before. My favorite is Daphne, right, Okay.
Speaker 4: So Daphne is deaf, and she grew up kind of
Speaker 4: in a deaf community. She lived in a deaf community,
Speaker 4: and she had a girlfriend, white woman, and she loved
Speaker 4: her white woman very very much.
Speaker 2: We need to get away from a racial day.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it ain't.
Speaker 4: Al she loved she loved her white woman very very much.
Speaker 4: And her white woman made a new friend because they
Speaker 4: went to like, like the community that area had a
Speaker 4: huge deaf community, so they would do things in the
Speaker 4: like bingo night or whatever.
Speaker 1: So she made a friend, so I don't know the
Speaker 1: pably dea.
Speaker 5: They hold up the number on a projector something like.
Speaker 1: I just made up how I made up big o
Speaker 1: And now.
Speaker 2: A lot of people they're like using a lot of
Speaker 2: signaling and hand movements.
Speaker 1: So and you could also sign like B not okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: We walked through that.
Speaker 4: So her white woman makes a new friend and they
Speaker 4: are communicating. It seems like they're flirting, and Daphne is
Speaker 4: getting very jealous because I'm not my white woman, and
Speaker 4: so she she then starts sending emails to the new
Speaker 4: friend just friend, apparently friend, like I'm talking to her,
Speaker 4: you're not talk to her. And at this time they're
Speaker 4: all like living off of Social Security checks, disability checks,
Speaker 4: things like that, and so Daphne has had it with
Speaker 4: her white woman flirting with this other lady.
Speaker 1: So she then sends.
Speaker 4: Her emails like, Hey, why don't you meet me at
Speaker 4: the pizza hud, let's have a conversation because I want
Speaker 4: to plan her white woman's birthday party. They had already
Speaker 4: got into a like public altercation at one point before.
Speaker 1: So this is back in the time where Pizza hug
Speaker 1: you could sit down.
Speaker 2: They had the buffet and they.
Speaker 1: Had the little lighting.
Speaker 4: So they were there and instead of actually sitting down
Speaker 4: at Pizza Hud, Daphne got her in the car. Daphne
Speaker 4: got her in the car and took her back to
Speaker 4: her house. She's staying at the basement of some place,
Speaker 4: this wherever she could afford. So she's at the basement
Speaker 4: of this place and she kills this woman and then
Speaker 4: she's like, okay, what do I do with the body?
Speaker 4: So she didn't have enough money, so she had to
Speaker 4: wait to the next day because that's when her social
Speaker 4: Security check dropped.
Speaker 2: So you killed the bitch and you got to wait
Speaker 2: on a check.
Speaker 1: She didn't have the budget for the murder.
Speaker 4: So then she goes to the she gets her social
Speaker 4: Security check, She goes to home depots. She talked, she
Speaker 4: signed to the guy, and it took him a while
Speaker 4: to realize that she was looking for a chainsaw. So
Speaker 4: she ends up buying the cheapest chainsaw she could find.
Speaker 4: She goes back and she starts type chopping up this
Speaker 4: woman and this woman. Of course it's a chainsaw, even
Speaker 4: chainsaws on wood. Everything flies.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's loud, and she can't hear
Speaker 1: how loud. Her roommates really they hear things.
Speaker 4: But also you could be playing music really loud to
Speaker 4: hear the vibrations or whatever, so no one's really hearing
Speaker 4: this happen. She chops up the woman and finally the
Speaker 4: girl's family is looking for her. Everybody's trying to figure
Speaker 4: out what happened. They look in the dumpsters and they're
Speaker 4: just like, you know, when you look for a body,
Speaker 4: you're starting to think the worst. You start looking in
Speaker 4: landfields and they start finding her clothing, They start finding
Speaker 4: like small pieces of her body, and so then they
Speaker 4: start looking at her email.
Speaker 1: Who was she talking to? Then everything brings them back
Speaker 1: to Daphne.
Speaker 4: So the police go and they're like, Daphne, we need
Speaker 4: to have a conversation with you, and they searched the house.
Speaker 1: She was like, nig can't no.
Speaker 2: There was chunks and pieces everywhere.
Speaker 1: There were not only were there chunks of pieces everywhere.
Speaker 1: She did a horrible job cleaning up.
Speaker 4: But instead of like, I don't know, a rag, soap
Speaker 4: and water, she decides that she's gonna go I guess,
Speaker 4: back to home depot, get some oops, paint got a
Speaker 4: big thing of blue paint and just starts painting over
Speaker 4: the brain matter that's on the wall and just paint
Speaker 4: even the floor, just starts painting the floor.
Speaker 1: Wood everywhere.
Speaker 4: But it's like she was just like we're just gonna Daphne, right,
Speaker 4: and they're like we can see the chunks of brain
Speaker 4: with blue over it.
Speaker 1: Like she didn't even try to wipe it down.
Speaker 2: So she did.
Speaker 1: She goes to court and then even those cases where.
Speaker 2: You can't please sanity there right, and over brain matter,
Speaker 2: not to say death lesbian. Listen, Yeah, the bitch can't
Speaker 2: be okay doing that, Like you gotta plead in sanity
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 4: And here's the thing, when obviously we know who did
Speaker 4: the crime and who should be punished for the crime.
Speaker 4: But when she was in jail, I mean when she
Speaker 4: was in court, they barely had an ASL interpreter for her.
Speaker 4: She could barely communicate with her lawyer. So now the
Speaker 4: question is did she get a fair trial? We all
Speaker 4: kind of can figure out what the ending of the
Speaker 4: trial is going to be. But you are an American,
Speaker 4: You are an American citizen. There is the American Disability Acting.
Speaker 4: You should be able to have a fair trial.
Speaker 5: You should have had an understand as it's going, so
Speaker 5: that even if she wanted to plead insanity, she had
Speaker 5: the fair opportunity to do so.
Speaker 1: So you see how.
Speaker 2: I don't like how you really be looking at in
Speaker 2: the little loophole like wow, Like I kind of like
Speaker 2: it because you have to be non binary, right, like right,
Speaker 2: I feel like you and I are so what's the word,
Speaker 2: not opinionated, but like we would be reading a story
Speaker 2: and we wouldn't be able to finish, be like, oh no,
Speaker 2: that nigga gotta go to jail. Like you really have
Speaker 2: to take your mind out of this ship when you're
Speaker 2: reporting on it.
Speaker 1: Damn okay, crazy, sir.
Speaker 4: It was the Dick was so good that I couldn't
Speaker 4: remember anything that happened, And next thing I know, I
Speaker 4: woke up and he was dead.
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Speaker 6: And It's Insane.
Speaker 2: Now Mandy hadn't watched it, so I had to get
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Speaker 2: Baby Reindeer. Now spoiler alert. Yes, there's not really that
Speaker 2: much of a spoiler. Everybody been talking about how has
Speaker 2: a lot of sexual violence in it episode four. However,
Speaker 2: I think that it was okay for me to watch
Speaker 2: because I was super prepared to see it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it should. I feel like it should start with
Speaker 6: a trigger warning. I feel like it's one of those shits.
Speaker 6: Oh it did. Oh well girl, okay that episode did.
Speaker 6: Oh you're right there, the whole show, the whole show?
Speaker 1: Should.
Speaker 6: I remember Angeli eaves when who told me to watch this?
Speaker 6: She's like, you gotta watch Baby Raindeer. I'm like, what
Speaker 6: is this? She told me? And then someone DM me
Speaker 6: and told me, like some a fan dm me and
Speaker 6: told me. I'm like, let me watch it. I got
Speaker 6: to episode four.
Speaker 2: It's like the recent teat so once you get to twenty, Yes,
Speaker 2: what is Baby Reindeer? It's an eight episode Netflix series. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's my goddamn podcast.
Speaker 1: I know you're right.
Speaker 2: So it is a seven episode show on Netflix about stalking. Yes,
Speaker 2: all I know is about a crazy, big white girl.
Speaker 1: This stalk is.
Speaker 6: Somebody who deserves an oscar or oo or Emmy, whatever
Speaker 6: they give them.
Speaker 2: And I'm just kind of watching the shit like damn okay,
Speaker 2: Like people were saying it doesn't get good, you know,
Speaker 2: until the fourth episode.
Speaker 1: I disagree. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: What makes this show dope is this is a true story.
Speaker 2: So as we're watching episode one, a woman walks into
Speaker 2: a bar, she's kind of lying about her life. I'm
Speaker 2: a lawyer, I know famous people, I'm this, I'm that,
Speaker 2: And it's like you can just tell someone's lonely, and
Speaker 2: when you're watching it, it kind of becomes this thing
Speaker 2: where you're like, okay, so why do you keep giving
Speaker 2: this person attention? And what I learned and I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've ever had this experience, but like it
Speaker 2: made me think to myself, there are so many times
Speaker 2: I didn't want to talk to someone and I kept going, yeah,
Speaker 2: are we leading people on? We do that shit.
Speaker 6: I think it's like a guilt thing where people are
Speaker 6: so worried just to let someone down or themselves to
Speaker 6: turn someone down and tell him no, and it just
Speaker 6: inherit or whatever. So then subconsciously or even consciously, they
Speaker 6: just they're like, I'll just keep being nice. Are keep
Speaker 6: being nice? Is like, but that's worse because now they
Speaker 6: think there's hope. I'd rather just be like, nah, NIGGI
Speaker 6: you want it true, because I like, I've had people
Speaker 6: lead me on, and I'm like, nigga, if you ain't
Speaker 6: trying to fuck those three billion people that are gay,
Speaker 6: probably I don't know if that statistic it's true, it's not.
Speaker 6: But my point is there's a lot of other people
Speaker 6: I could be out here trying to fuck. Don't make
Speaker 6: me waste my time.
Speaker 1: And then here's the.
Speaker 2: Other thing, right, I don't necessarily know if he was
Speaker 2: leading her on, but what I will say, maybe he
Speaker 2: didn't lead her on romantically, but there was a small
Speaker 2: part of me that was like I would have he
Speaker 2: was my friend too. He gave it, you get you
Speaker 2: gave it. You gave a cookie.
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 6: Give give cookie to a mouse of cookie or something
Speaker 6: like that. That book that we used to read in kindergarten,
Speaker 6: If you give a mouse of cookie?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, at least someone you don't know that book?
Speaker 2: Oh it has a cookie and it's a white cover.
Speaker 6: But yes, and it just and it leads to this
Speaker 6: whole thing. Okay, Well, anyway, it's a book. It's a
Speaker 6: very popular the people in the comments are going to
Speaker 6: be going crazy because it's a very popular book.
Speaker 1: When someone's listening in their headphones and like that.
Speaker 6: Yes, so anyway, it was very much that, like, if
Speaker 6: you give someone something, they're going to ask more.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Well, so we watched this first episode, she comes in,
Speaker 2: she's starting to try to make a connection about how
Speaker 2: great she is.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: A lot of times when we meet someone who's a
Speaker 2: liar like that, I find that it's because they really
Speaker 2: don't have anyone that likes them for them, they need
Speaker 2: to use the things about them to seem interesting. And
Speaker 2: the entire time I watched this about resent Tisa, Yeah
Speaker 2: I work at this company.
Speaker 6: It's this oh one hundred percent. Didn't even think about that,
Speaker 6: but yeah, it was on the same type of line
Speaker 6: lying narcissis like. And it was so crazy because it
Speaker 6: felt like it was it felt it. It did such
Speaker 6: a great job of making you feel bad for her,
Speaker 6: and then it turned her. It slowly turned her into
Speaker 6: a villain because you're like, oh no, this bitch is wild.
Speaker 6: But she played it so well that although you you
Speaker 6: hate her because she's wild, you still like feel bad
Speaker 6: for her because like