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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting in the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dirk Durham and today I'm running solo on this

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Speaker 1: episode and it looks like it's time for another penultum whiskey,

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Speaker 1: Q and A. Now this time the questions came from Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I put a post on Instagram. Actually it was in

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Speaker 1: my stories. That's where you can ask or you can

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Speaker 1: you can put a little icon there it says, ask

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Speaker 1: me a question, and I give a little video about

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Speaker 1: asking me some questions. And I told a kind of

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Speaker 1: a dark secret that a lot of you people may

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Speaker 1: not know about myself, just to kind of get the

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Speaker 1: conversation started. But I kind of did a little show

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Speaker 1: and tell showed everybody that I probably didn't know this,

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Speaker 1: but I wear glasses some times, yeah, the old readers,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I made myself vulnerable and showed off

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Speaker 1: my glasses. And then I and I ask if anybody

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Speaker 1: has any questions on elk hunting related stuff, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I got quite a few questions. Some of them were

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Speaker 1: really serious and some were not so serious. You got

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Speaker 1: some real wise acres on there, such as the bearded

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Speaker 1: elk whisper says, who is the handsomest elk collar, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I feel like that was kind of like a

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Speaker 1: self serving question, Tony. We all know who the bearded

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Speaker 1: elk whisper is and how fond you are of your beard.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna lie, I'm a little envious.

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful beard. But anyway, I think I'll just

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Speaker 1: kind of dive right in into some of these questions here.

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Speaker 1: First one from Northwest Critters, what is your number one

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Speaker 1: tip for successfully calling in early season herd bulls? Now?

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Speaker 1: Early season herd bulls are awesome if you can find them.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they're hard to find because maybe it's early enough,

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Speaker 1: they're not just chasing cows and bugling their heads off

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Speaker 1: all day long and all night. So sometimes it can

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Speaker 1: be kind of hard to locate unless you've done your

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Speaker 1: due diligence and done some scouting, maybe e scouting. But

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Speaker 1: from what I found in some of the areas where

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Speaker 1: I hunt, what happens is so all summer long bowls

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Speaker 1: will hang out together in bachelor groups. Sometimes they'll be

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Speaker 1: two or three, sometimes there'll be more. Sometimes there'll be

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Speaker 1: a few little bachelor groups in an area that they

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Speaker 1: don't always chum together all the time. Sometimes they mix

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Speaker 1: it up, they get together all of them, and then

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Speaker 1: they kind of separate in the smaller groups. But once

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Speaker 1: around that first week of August, somewhere around August fifth

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Speaker 1: or fifteenth, so somewhere in there. It's always different wherever

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Speaker 1: you're at. Somewhere in that first part of August, within

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Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks, the bulls shed their velvet.

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Speaker 1: And what I've seen is, man, those as soon as

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Speaker 1: they shed their velvet, they're not buddies anymore. That's they

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Speaker 1: testosterones kicking out. But they're shedding their velvet and they

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Speaker 1: move away from each other. They're no longer there they're

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Speaker 1: bosom buddies, you know, good old pals and grazing around

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Speaker 1: and chumming around with each other. They're getting kind of alley.

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Speaker 1: So they separate, and what they do is they go

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Speaker 1: they go stage in a place somewhere pretty close to

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Speaker 1: And I kind of I've talked about this a little

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Speaker 1: bit on some other podcasts lately. I kinda I kind

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Speaker 1: of compare it to the movie Rocky when he went

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Speaker 1: to Siberia to train to fight Ivandrego. I think it's

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Speaker 1: the guy's named the Russian Fella that he bought over there. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: kind of went out in solitude and started training like crazy.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's doing chin ups and and push ups

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Speaker 1: the cold and carrying around big beams and running through

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Speaker 1: those bulls kind of split up from each other. They

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Speaker 1: for the rut. And you'll find these places later in September.

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Speaker 1: You'll find these kind of little places I call them

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Speaker 1: like flexible, pliable, soft, movable, not the least bit crispy.

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Speaker 1: cal call a lot. Now I will cow call a

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Speaker 1: So I will introduce a few cow calls. I'll do

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Speaker 1: sound aggressive, he may just sound you'll just give you

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Speaker 1: at a moony old bugle, very unimpressive. You'll think it's

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Speaker 1: I don't call my way to him. Once I've kind

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Speaker 1: I think he's on. So I'm on the I'm basically

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Speaker 1: number one, number two. Now I have a little more

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Speaker 1: get there. Then I start opening up now, depending on

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Speaker 1: I probably talked in my sleep anymore, even though I

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Speaker 1: might do it, but nobody can hear it. Okay, So

425
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: I DJ buff. He says, you and Jason go into

426
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: a cold Play concert in the future. Too soon. That's

427
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: too soon. I know that's been popular on the on

428
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: the social media airwaves. But it's hilarious, all right, Scott Russo,

429
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: he has a question. He says he's got three names here, Gabriel,

430
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 1: Phelps Smith, So John Gabriel, Jason Phelps, and Charlie Smith.

431
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: One packer, one caller, one stays at home. Who's who? Okay,

432
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: this is gonna be great, So let's let's factor this out.

433
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: So John Gabriel, if you know John, Uh, awesome dude,

434
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: really great el Hunnor. He does all of our package

435
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: design work at at Phelps four Oliver Packaging. He's been

436
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 1: with us from day one. He's done a ton of

437
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: our graphic arts. Any any of the cool crap that

438
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,719
Speaker 1: you see that's got any of our thumbnails for YouTube

439
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: or anything you see that's got some artistic stuff. Except

440
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: for our emails these days, John has had his hands

441
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: on it. And then Jason Phelps. We all know who

442
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: that guy is. He's like an ogre, right, He's like

443
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: the Juggernaut. He's six foot four and soper strong. He's

444
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: like a one man wonder. I've had him pack ELK

445
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: meat before and he's yeah, he's legit. And then Charlie Smith. Okay, well,

446
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: Charlie he's a really great elk hunter two, but he's

447
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: not a great elk killer. He's really good at chasing

448
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: these things around. I hope he's listening to this, and

449
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: Charlie is he was He was born on Saint Patrick's Day.

450
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: He's a red haired ginger and he's about five foot

451
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: six and a half and I think John's five foot

452
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: six or vice ver. So those two always argue and

453
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: bicker amongst each other to see who's the tallest, but

454
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: they're both they're both short fellas at five foot six ish.

455
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I'm definitely going to have Jason

456
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: Phelps be a packer. Charlie Smith. He's a heck of

457
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: a caller too. But I will say John he has

458
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: called in and elk for me. Him and him and

459
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: Jason tag team to bowl in New Mexico for me

460
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: here in twenty twenty, So I would have to say

461
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: John he gets to call and stay home Charlie, because

462
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: Charlie sometimes you know, he's a little He's a surly

463
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: little leprechaun, right, So if I if I say he

464
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: has to stay home, He's definitely going to be mad

465
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: about it. So I'm definitely going to kick that hornet's

466
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: nest and make him stay home. So that's how that's

467
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: going to play out. Scott, Any good tags this year?

468
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: D Jones pass out is the question? Ask her? Any

469
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: good tags this year? Yeah? Like I said, I've got

470
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: I've got an Idaho elk tag. Have a Kansas Archery

471
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: white tail tag again. Man, Me and Jason must be

472
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: living right or something, because we've drawn This will be

473
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: like the fourth year we've drawn Kansas whitetail Archery tag

474
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: and that's just unheard of, you know. I fully expect

475
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: next year to not draw one. So that that's those tags.

476
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: And then Jason Phelps and I, I think we talked

477
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: about it before. We're going to the Yukon to hunt moose,

478
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: him and I both with Caesar Lake Outfitters up there.

479
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna fly in, We're gonna drive all the way

480
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: up to the Yukon to Caesar Lake's base camp Dustin Roe,

481
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: he's the owner operator, and then we're gonna jump in

482
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: a plane and fly into some remote lake and hunt

483
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: moose for around twenty days or so. So it's going

484
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: to be it's going to be an adventure. I told Jason,

485
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, here's the deal. You have to use

486
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: a bow and I'll use a rifle. And if a

487
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: bull comes in and it's too brushing you can't get

488
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 1: a shot, and it's a giant, then I'll shoot it

489
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: with the rifle just to make sure it don't get away,

490
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: or if it's just really big anyway, and maybe I'll

491
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: just get to shoot it anyhow. And he didn't like

492
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: that idea. I don't know why. He's kind of a

493
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: kind of a poopy pants I guess, all right, So

494
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: next question, Ultimate Ultimate Pursuit, Best calls not to make?

495
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: And when? And when how do I get on Team Phelps?

496
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: He wants to be on Team Phelps, So Ultimate Pursuit.

497
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: The best calls not to make? I think the best

498
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: calls not to make are just really crappy sound in

499
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: elk calls. Now, you don't have to sound like a

500
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: world champion elk collar by any means, but you have

501
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: to kind of sound like an elk. Now elk kind

502
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: of sound crappy. Sometimes they make some real god awful bugles,

503
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: but they still sound like an elk for the most part.

504
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: Right here, a couple of years ago, dusting It, Cameraman

505
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: Dusty and I were in in Idaho elk hunting and

506
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: it was the last twenty to thirty minutes of dark.

507
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: We had this bull going and man, we were just

508
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: closing in. We had him, We had him coming. He

509
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: was brush popping and he was almost on us and

510
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: behind us a ways. I heard a weird noise and

511
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: it sounded like somebody was abusing a puppy, just like

512
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: this real whiny, weird, weird noise. And I think they

513
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: were attempting to make a bugle maybe, or they were

514
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: trying to make a cow sound with like a like

515
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: a pack bugle or something. It was just it didn't

516
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: sound like an elk whatsoever. It's like a weird, little

517
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: whiny I don't know if they were trying to do

518
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: like some people will call it a bull squeal, like

519
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: an immature bull squeal. A lot of I don't know,

520
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: spikes just kind of do a weird, mony, weirdo, kind

521
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: of a pre puberty bugle a lot of times. I'm

522
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: not so, I'm not really sure what he was trying

523
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: to make the sound, but I heard it and I'm like, oh,

524
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: what was that? Is that a guy? And then ten

525
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: minutes later I heard it and they're like right behind us,

526
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: like fifty yards behind us in the brush, and they're

527
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: doing it a lot. This guy is doing it a lot.

528
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: And the elk was coming in like I had tension

529
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: on the string. I thought, okay, I'm gonna see this

530
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: bowl any second. And that guy started in with his

531
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: puppy puppy noise, and bull just shut up and left.

532
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: So those are the kind of calls you don't want

533
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: to make if you can't, and people will say, you know,

534
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: don't ever call the elk. Well, if you sound like that,

535
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: absolutely do not call the elk. Do yourself and everyone

536
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: else in the woods a favor by not calling. Please,

537
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: don't just pick up a tube Walmart or whatever, call

538
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: at Walmart on the way to the woods and start

539
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: tooting on it and making some weird noises and think

540
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 1: that's going to work. Is not. You know, do your

541
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: due diligence, you know. Start now here we are, it's July.

542
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: We have plenty of time to pick up some calls

543
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: and start practicing. And you may not sound perfect. That's okay,

544
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: it's that's not what it's about. But you have to

545
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: sound somewhat like an elk and and put some realism,

546
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: into your into your into your calling scenario. Some calls

547
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: that you shouldn't make. Maybe they are a pretty decent

548
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: sounding call, but it's the same call over and over again.

549
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: There's this one particular call in tube. A lot of

550
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: people know if you hear the if you hear it,

551
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: you'll be like, oh, yep, that's one of them there calls.

552
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: It's like the same three note. It's the same three

553
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: note bugle over and over and over again. Which when

554
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: those came out, I think they, you know, worked pretty good.

555
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: But now, elk, if it's the same old noise over

556
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: and over again, they will get conditioned to it. So

557
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: you have to sound different now, not to say those bugles.

558
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: You can't make other noises. I mean you can if

559
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: that's all you got, or that's the one you want

560
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: to use, I'm not going to pick on you for that,

561
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: but man, learn how to make some other sounds with it.

562
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: Learn how to make some diverse noises. It's not the

563
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: same old three note bugle over and over again. Learn

564
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: how to get some low notes, learn how to get

565
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: some mid notes, learn how to get those high notes.

566
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: Learn how to you know, chuckle and grunt with it,

567
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: and It just all takes a little bit of time,

568
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: and it's five minutes a day, ten minutes a day,

569
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: pick up your calls, five ten minutes a day on

570
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: the way to work whatever, and practice with them, and

571
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: by September you'll have the confidence to know that when

572
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: you put it in your mouth, there's gonna be a

573
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,719
Speaker 1: particular sound that you want to make that it's going

574
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: to come out, instead of buying one on the way

575
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: to Elk camp and being like, oh, I don't know

576
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: what this is gonna sound like. And you get out

577
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: in the woods and you blow it a couple of

578
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: times and you're like, oh, well, I'm just gonna put

579
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: that away, but you're probably gonna chase the elk away.

580
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: All right, here's a question from Dirty Bird Grimes. What's

581
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: the best drink to what your whistle before a bugle? Well,

582
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: you would like to say the Pendleton whiskey, but that's

583
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: not how we run, right, No, that's for after the hunt.

584
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: But here's here's my drink of choice for elk season.

585
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm a coffee guy, right, I love coffee. But here's

586
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: the deal. I'm not. I'm kind of I'm kind of

587
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: a slow riser in the morning. I'm not in a

588
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: morning person, so I'm I don't take the time to

589
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: get up, make coffee, sip my coffee and enjoy it.

590
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: In the morning, I just get up and kind of

591
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: get around and and and head. I want to sleep

592
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: as long as I can, right, I'm just gonna be honest.

593
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: I want to be sleeping. I want to sleep as

594
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: long as I can. So what I do is I

595
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: take a Nalgene bottle thirty two ounces of liquid, and

596
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: I take one scoop or one packet of wilderness athlete.

597
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: I think they call it energy and focus, and then

598
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: I take another packet of hydrate and recover from wilderness athlete.

599
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: I put that in there. And then sometime and some

600
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: people call that a superman. Sometimes I'll even take another

601
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: scoop of electrolyte. Let's see, it's been really hot and dry,

602
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: and man, I've been sweating my brains out. I just

603
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: need that extra electrolytes in me. I'll take that a

604
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: scoop of electrolytes and pour in there, shake it up,

605
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: and I'll drink that. But I'm gonna drink that thing

606
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: in the first fifteen twenty minutes of my day. I

607
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: want to prime the system, right, We've got to prime

608
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: the pump. I gotta get some more liquid back into

609
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: me because the day before I probably drink a lot

610
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: of water, but probably not enough. It seems like we

611
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: always kind of run on the edge of dehydration when

612
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: we're el cunning. So I'll prime the pump with that.

613
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,959
Speaker 1: That'll get things going, get me p in, get get

614
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: me hydrated right off the bat, and then that way

615
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: I can just maintain with my water bladder as I hunt.

616
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't think that's probably the

617
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: answer old dirty bird Drives was looking for. But you

618
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: know what, dang it, they don't have to be all

619
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: funny your silly, silly question question answers here All right,

620
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: next question, And I'm not really sure how you say it,

621
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: d bill l A seven dB I l l A

622
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: wide seven. Basically, the question says, how do you make

623
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 1: your chuckle sound deeper and not like a sequence of barks? Well,

624
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: chuckle or a grunt is a lot like a bark,

625
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: but I think it's a lot in the base of it,

626
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like the execution like it. To me,

627
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: a bark is like like an exaggerated chuckle or grunt.

628
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: Like when I'm barking, I'm putting all my air across

629
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: the diaphragm I can, and as much base o that

630
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: base like oh, that guttural like somebody punching me in

631
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: the gut. Oh that I'm trying to put as much

632
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: of that into that bark as I can. Compared to

633
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: like a chuckle or a grunt. It's a lot less

634
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: of that effort or a lot less of that pressure

635
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: or intensity. I'm not putting nearly as much air across

636
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: the reed, across the latex of the diaphragm. I'm not

637
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: putting as much base into it. But I am doing

638
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: quite a bit of base. But I think a lot

639
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: of people where they go wrong on their chuckles. Number

640
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: one is the cadence. They don't breathe in, breathe out,

641
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out as they

642
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: make the calls. They do that, or they don't put

643
00:36:54,640 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: enough voice inflecture. They're not doing that, And it's it's

644
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: kind of hard, as I find out as I work

645
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: with a lot of folks teaching them how to call

646
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: and stuff. You know, it's it's not super intuitive to

647
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: make that that that sound with the diaphragm and then

648
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: combine it with that that guttural base. So if we

649
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: slow it way down, it's gonna sound kind of like this.

650
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: So we're just gonna hit that high note on your

651
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: diaphragm and then you're gonna drop your jaw and go, oh,

652
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: so speed it up. But I'm using a lot of

653
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: my voice. So if you're a professional beatboxer, you would

654
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: probably do really good chuckling and grunning. But if you're not,

655
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to practice with it. And I've found

656
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: that working with some people that if you skip the

657
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: diaphragm part and just start learning to do that base

658
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: part or that guttural into the tube. So put your

659
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: mouth to the tube and just do that instead of

660
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: having the diaphragm, and your wife or significant other is

661
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: going to look at you like you're crazy, what are

662
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: you doing? But I promise you it's going to help.

663
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: And it's a lot of it is just learning how

664
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: to do that base thing. So you may just have

665
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: to start listening to a lot of hip hop music

666
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: as well, you know, get the beat down. But if

667
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: you if you do it in the tube without the diaphragm.

668
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: Then you start you start picking that up, and then

669
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: then put your diaphragm back in and I kind of

670
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: just break ol calling. I break it all down like

671
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: whenever I'm trying to get better at it, and these

672
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: are the kind of things I had to do at

673
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: the beginning. So break it down and then introduce your

674
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: your diaphragm reading there and you start getting that that

675
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: read sound, and then it's going to sound more like

676
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: a deep guttural chuckle or grunt. All right, the outdoors

677
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: in Colorado. Maybe it kind of a screenshot of these

678
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: things that kind of cut everybody's things off. And I

679
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: think this is like a continuation he had. He commented

680
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: two questions. It's just a continuation. So I'm going to

681
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: try not to screw this up. When you have a

682
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: bowl responding to cow calls, do you continue col calling

683
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 1: to close the distance, or do you introduce challenge, bugles, chuckling,

684
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 1: et cetera to get him in. Man, It's just it's

685
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: every situation is different, every bowl is different. To say

686
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: like this is the one way to do it on

687
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: every single out is just it don't work that way.

688
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: But what I will say if I have a bowl

689
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: answering to a particular kind of call. If he's answered really,

690
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: really well to cow calls, I'm just going to keep

691
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: giving him cow calls now because I've tried this before. Like,

692
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: all right, man, I've got him wound up. I've got

693
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: him wound up type on this cow call, you know,

694
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: and he came, he only came so far, you know,

695
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: help my nature. The bowl bugles bugles bugles at a

696
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: cow because he wants the cow to come to him, right.

697
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: He wants him to come join his herd of other cows.

698
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: If he has cows, a lot of times he'll go

699
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: part way, but he may not go the whole way. Now,

700
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: I will say, yeah, definitely been a lot of bulls

701
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: just cow called in. I've cow called in a few

702
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: and killed him as well. But a lot of times

703
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: those bulls will come only so far part way. Now,

704
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: if you have a shooter with you, if you guys

705
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: can separate and you hear that bowl and he seems

706
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: to be gaining ground on it, send your shooter out

707
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: front there and maybe have him intercept. But it's a

708
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: very pig it's a very tricky game because he may

709
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: get caught sneaking in on that bowl. You know, I

710
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: have to have your head on a swivel if you're

711
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: gonna sneak in on a bowl like that, if they're

712
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: heading your way already. But but what I've done is

713
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: is I've tried that, Like the bull will come only

714
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: so far. They'll hang up, and I'm like, then they'll

715
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: just stand there and I'll cow call and I'll bugle

716
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: and bugle and like, come over here. He wants me

717
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: to come his way. And I thought, well, okay, I'm

718
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: gonna make him think there's another bull here and he

719
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: needs to come over here and get this cow. So

720
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: I've started bugling. I've started, you know, challenge bugle and

721
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: started screaming, start lip ball, start chuckle. I mean, you

722
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: name you, name it. I've discrewed up. I've done it.

723
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: And and a lot of times they'll turn around and

724
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, no, I'm not interested. They'll turn around

725
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 1: and go back to their cows. Sometimes they do come.

726
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: But a lot of times if you start them out

727
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: on cow calls and they're just eating those up, if

728
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: you start bugling, in my experience, a lot of times

729
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: that's that could foul things up. Not every time, but

730
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: a lot of times. All right, Silent Assassin sixty nine,

731
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: What is the easiest way to learn the lip ball?

732
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: I've been trying and can't get it, and it's peeing

733
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: me off. Man, that is like a struggle for a

734
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: lot of folks. I think that's like number one or

735
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 1: number two struggle. Like people really struggle with both chuckles

736
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: and grunts, and they also struggle with lipball. I struggled

737
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: with the lipball forever. My friends they could do it,

738
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, man, how do you do that?

739
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: It could just flawlessly, you know, you know this is

740
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. Whatever, you can just flawy, you know,

741
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: do this lip ball. I'm like, man, how are you

742
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: doing that? So one one winner. As I'm sitting there

743
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: watching will Primos hunt on TV, I'm just like, you

744
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna learn this. I'm gonna learn how

745
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: to lip ball. So I sat there and watched hunting

746
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: videos and buzzed my lips on my tube instead of

747
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: and I didn't use my diaphragm whatsoever. I Am just

748
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: getting my lips to figure out how they like to

749
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: buzz to get a good buzz on the on the tube.

750
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 1: Because I found when I try to transition and try

751
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: to bugle and then lipball, it's like my lips didn't

752
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: know what to do. They didn't know what to do,

753
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: they didn't know how to do it, they didn't know

754
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: where to be. And everybody I knew lipballed on the

755
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: front part of their lips, right right dead sinner, right

756
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: below their nose. But what I found is after I

757
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: started playing with this this tube, buzzing my lips on

758
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: it for about a month, I found that if I

759
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 1: buzzed on my right side of my lips, it worked great,

760
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: but I did on the front. I mean, I can

761
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: do it on the front, but it's not great. They're

762
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: not as pliable or something. I think. You know, everybody's

763
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: got a their different shaped lips, different lips. Maybe you

764
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: need to get some botox injections into your lips, some

765
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: filler as the girls call it. Maybe you need to

766
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: get your lips filled up. And if you have thin

767
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: lips and get them babies really a pumpin'. But I

768
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: don't I don't know, but everybody's lips are so different.

769
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: So it worked for me to put in the corner

770
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: of my mouth. Maybe it's your left side. Maybe it's

771
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: your right side, maybe it is dead center, but experiment

772
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: with that. But just get your lips cut, comfortable on

773
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: buzzing them on your tube and it's you know, it's

774
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: gonna sound like this. You'll just sit there doing it

775
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. It's boring and your

776
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: significant other's going to look at like you like your nuts.

777
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,479
Speaker 1: You can do it on the on the way to work.

778
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: Be careful. I did have somebody tell me they got

779
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: pulled over by a cop one. Somebody turned them in

780
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: for drinking and driving. They thought somebody's seen them with

781
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: a tube up to their mouth doing doing this stuff,

782
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: and they thought it was a bottle of wine. If

783
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: you believe it or not. So yeah, if you are

784
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: drinking and driving and practicing your your your calls, it's

785
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: probably not a good idea. Well it's not a good

786
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: idea at all to drink and drive, but it's an

787
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: extra bad idea if you're going to be doing that stuff.

788
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: So but all seriousness, buzz your lips and then once

789
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: you get really comfortable, like man, every time I can

790
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: put it up there, Man, I got a good lip

791
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: buzz or a lip ball. That's basically what a lipball

792
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: is now we can we can use our diaphragm to

793
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: make that same noise. And the easiest way I've found

794
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: to do it is like to start out with just

795
00:45:54,560 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: making that high pitch mosquito noise, that super high pitch

796
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: mosquito noise. And then so you do that coupled with

797
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 1: that buzz of your lips and you have a lipball.

798
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: So practice that over and over and over again. And

799
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: if you're doing it at home and you're not wanting

800
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: to disturb the whole house, you can't put your your

801
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: hand over the bottom of your tube and kind of

802
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: muffle it a little bit, let a little bit of

803
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: air come out. But that'll that'll allow you to like

804
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: practice at home without making everybody in the house matter

805
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: or ticking off the neighbor dogs. But do that over

806
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: and over again, that mosquito noise with that buzz on

807
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: your lips, and once you get like super confident, like, Okay,

808
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: every time I do that, I put it up there.

809
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: I can make that mosquito noise. I can make that buzz. Now,

810
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: I can, I can. I'm just I know what to do.

811
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: Every time it's it comes out right, Then you can

812
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: start turning that into a like a bugle, so almost

813
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: like a location bugle. So you start out with a

814
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: crystal clear, high pitched mosquito type pitched bugle note, get

815
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: it going clean, buzz your lips and then drop off

816
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: this quick buzzing and then drop your jaw a little

817
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: bit and go ooh. So that's the easiest way to

818
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: do it. Now the advanced way to do it is

819
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: to do a full bugle. So you start out with

820
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: a normal full bugle and when you hit that high note,

821
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: then you start buzzing your lips. And that's super complicated.

822
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on there. But if you build

823
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: those other fundamentals first, I think you'll definitely be able

824
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: to do a full bugle with a lip ball. This

825
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: sounds something like this, but practice makes perfect and it's

826
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: you know, five ten minutes a day will help if

827
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: you're just if you're just trying to learn how to

828
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: buzz your lips, same thing like if you're If you

829
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: do this, I promise you if you do this for

830
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: a week, two weeks ever for straight buzzing your lips,

831
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: then you start the mosquito thing. By September, you'll get this.

832
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: If you start now, So Benjamin horshe has a list,

833
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: He's got like a bunch of these comments questions, but

834
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: he kind of you have so many words to put

835
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: in there, so it's kind of a it keeps on going.

836
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: So he just kept on asking, continuing his question. But

837
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try not to screw this up because it's

838
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: a little hard to track from each each little response here.

839
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: So it says, what is the easiest way to learn

840
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: the lip? Wait, that's sorry, bron guy. Uh, mid day,

841
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: same level. I get a bull fired up within one

842
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards and he won't commit. Why happens

843
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: to me all the time? I bugle, I rake, my

844
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: I rake, my shooter is is fifty yards in front

845
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: of me. I'm aware of the thermals and the whole

846
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: encounter is September fifteenth is when I start my season.

847
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: They can be screaming, pissed off and still not come in,

848
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: and I continue pressuring and they continue to move off.

849
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: They aren't going to bed because it's midday. They don't

850
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 1: smell me or hear me. What the heck is going on.

851
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: I've arrowed two bulls in my five years of el

852
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: cutting career. Those bulls read the script. The thirty plus

853
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: other bulls move away, like I move away. I'd like

854
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: some advice thanks. So basically, he's getting bulls to come

855
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: in and they're hanging up, and they hang up for

856
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: a while and then they just move off and they

857
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: won't come to him. It's basically kind of what I'm

858
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm I'm getting from this questionnaire. Bulls hang up on bulls, right.

859
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: The bulls don't just bugle and then walk over there

860
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: and just walk right up and fight. They'll sit there

861
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: and they'll bugle at each other and they'll rake. If

862
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: you can watch elk on a hillside, you'll notice there'll

863
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: be a herd bull or whatever, and you'll have other

864
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: bulls around, and they'll bugle back and forth and they'll rake.

865
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: The herd buller rake, the satellite bulls a rake, or

866
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: maybe there's an intruder, maybe there's another mature bull coming

867
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: to fight that that herd bull. But they'll sit there

868
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: and rake, and then they'll go so far and then

869
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: they hang up on each other. They'll bugle and rake

870
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: and bugle, and it's almost like somebody at that point,

871
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: somebody has to give, right, and your shooter is fifty

872
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: yards ahead of you, and the bulls pretty close. If

873
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: you're if you have bulls raking and you have a shooter.

874
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: As the caller, your job is to keep that bowl

875
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: raking and bugling, and your shooter's job is to close

876
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: that gap and do it swiftly yet quietly, and once

877
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: they get close enough they can watch that bowl once.

878
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: They every time that bowl puts his head down and

879
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,959
Speaker 1: starts raking, those elk a lot of times will close

880
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: their eyes. They'll half close them, they'll close them completely,

881
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: they'll open them mid raking. But you can get away

882
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: with a lot, especially if you're quiet. They're making a

883
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: lot of noise themselves. But you want to get it

884
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: there as fast as you can and as quiet as

885
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: you can. And there's been a lot of bulls killed

886
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: by people keeping them talking and the shooter walking in

887
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:53,959
Speaker 1: on them. Now, some areas are so dang brushy that's

888
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: just not going to work. It's too brushy. You can't

889
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: you can't close the distance like that. It's just it

890
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: doesn't work that way. So those those kind of situations,

891
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: you have to rely on the calls more. But sometimes

892
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: when they they hang up there. As the caller, if

893
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: they're not coming in. You could make a lot of

894
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: cow calls and aggressive bugles and it's just we'll start

895
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: walking away. Some people call it a fade away. Some people,

896
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, people have those sorts of names for

897
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: this technique. But if you if you walk away like

898
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: you're you're chasing that cow. You're bugling, you're chasing that cow,

899
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: You're making a ton of noise, you're running around as

900
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: long as you're in a position where that elk cannot

901
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: see you. Man run around like break brush, grab rocks,

902
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: throw them, run around, make noise, make it sound like

903
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: you're a bull elk chasing a cow around and you

904
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: chase and you're chasing it away from your shooter. Right

905
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: because as you as you move away, you're creating some

906
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: more distance to where that bowl will maybe feel comfortable, like, okay,

907
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: that you were right here. Now you've ran away fifty

908
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: yards or one hundred yards back. Now that bull that

909
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: was hung up feels comfortable. They're like, hmm, I'm going

910
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: to go check that. I'm gonna go over there and

911
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: smell what's going on. I'm going to go see who

912
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: that bowl is. I'm going to see if that cow's

913
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: and heat. Because of that scent signature will be left

914
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,479
Speaker 1: around there. He'll be able to smell and see what's

915
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: going on. And that's when your shooter can take take

916
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: advantage of that. Now, there's been other times where that

917
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: hasn't worked, but your shooter in you if as long

918
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: as you can say, you do the fade away, and

919
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,479
Speaker 1: you do go through all that, and that bowl still

920
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: hasn't come in, and you move back up to your

921
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: original position, which is I like to be able to

922
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: see my shooter. I like to build to make eye contact.

923
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: At that point, signal your shooter for him to bugle. Right.

924
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: We want that bolt to think you've gone from being

925
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: sixty eighty yards away to up to where that shooter

926
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: is fifty yards ahead of you. If your shooter can

927
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: can rip a big bugle, that bull thinks, oh shoot,

928
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: he's right here. I'm gonna pop out and take a look.

929
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: And that has worked a lot too. I call that

930
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: like a sling shot, right. That's worked really well in

931
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: the past too. Also, I've had it where a bowl

932
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: will come in. Hang up, rake bugle, rake bugle, and

933
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 1: if you have a stalemate for too long, they will leave.

934
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: They will lose interest. And once they lose interest and

935
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: they leave, they're pretty hard to get interested again. If

936
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: they can, they walk away one hundred yards from where

937
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: they'd locked up a lot of times, there's no getting

938
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 1: them back. So as soon as that thing leaves, soon

939
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: as that thing turns its back and leaves, I'm on it.

940
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm charging up. I'm running. So let's say you're your

941
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: your your shooter is fifty yards away, the bulls and

942
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: other fifty yards away. I'm gonna run right up to

943
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: my shooter. I'm gonna scream and run right up to

944
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: my shoes, and hopefully my shooter in that same instance

945
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: moves up as well. I want him to. Like, as

946
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: soon as that bull turns his head and can't see,

947
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: I want the shooter to move up in advance, and

948
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna advance that way, we kind of almost leap frog, right,

949
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: I go to where the shooter was to begin with,

950
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: and now the shooters have advanced another twenty five yards

951
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: or whatever makes sense. It's almost like a game of

952
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: red light green light. When that bowl turns his head

953
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: to leave and starts taking a step to leave, it's

954
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: green light that means go. When the bull stops and

955
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: turns around. It looks that's red light, and they'll catch

956
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: you like midstried and you have to like freeze, freeze fray.

957
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: And then once they don't see that other bull that's coming,

958
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: they'll turn around and go again. And then you just

959
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: keep on doing it. This is a tricky game. You

960
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: can get picked off really easy. If you're in a

961
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: country they have a lot of timber, it's fairly fairly wooded,

962
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: a lot of cover. You can get away with a lot.

963
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: And now if this is open country, this tactic is

964
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: not for you. This is not gonna not gonna work.

965
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: So but being aggressive and pushing up on those things,

966
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: because once they kind of leave, I feel like if

967
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: they come in, you've had your stalemate and they leave,

968
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: it's game over with that bowl and you might not

969
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: be able to get him to come in at all

970
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 1: tomorrow either. It seems like they haven't they recognize your bugle.

971
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: So you want to make your moves while you can.

972
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: You gotta be a riverboat gambler. You gotta put all

973
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: your all your chips on the table and just roll

974
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: the dice, baby, and see what happens, all right, Whitefish

975
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: King twenty nine. How do I do a better cow

976
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: call with a diaphragm, so cow calls. We talked a

977
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: little earlier about making that mosquito noise when we're practicing

978
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: our lip ball. So I like to tell people make

979
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: a mosquito noise. That's just a really super high pitch.

980
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: You just barely let a little bit of air seep out.

981
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: You're pushing pretty hard with your tongue. You get that

982
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: little mosquito noise like this really light. And then once

983
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: you can make that noise, just relax your tongue. Just relax,

984
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: maybe drop your jaw slightly, but just relax your tongue.

985
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: You know, to get that noise, you're pushing pretty fricking

986
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: hard with your tongue. But then when you want to

987
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: turn it into a calcol just relax your tongue kind

988
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: of speed it up. So just to get the fundamentals down,

989
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: you practice that long mosquito noise, then you drop your tongue.

990
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: Just relax your tongue, and you want to get that

991
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: nasal sound right, You want to be able to make that.

992
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: That's where your tongue is just barely even touching that latex.

993
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: You can you can can't even hardly feel that latex

994
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: at all. At that point, I've just made that noise.

995
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm barely even I don't even think my tongue is

996
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: touching that. That's using that dome at the top of

997
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: the of the diaphragm. It's kind of rattling against that,

998
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: so a little bit just the dead air space there.

999
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: So do that practice that, and I think where a

1000
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: lot of people kind of go wrong. I watch, like

1001
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: do this into your cell phone or do it into

1002
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: a mirror, record yourself and watch your face. Like I've

1003
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: worked with people who like their mouth is super tight,

1004
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: like flexed, all their muscles in their in their lips

1005
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: and their cheeks are really tight. A calcohol is going

1006
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: to sound really tight and chirpy or weird when you

1007
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: when your mouth's all tensed up. But if your mouth

1008
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: is very loose, relaxed, the only thing that's tight is

1009
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: your tongue pressure to get that note, and it's very

1010
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: briefly hit that note and then just relax it and

1011
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: try to and try to just relax and find that

1012
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: note to and just let it slide off. I've talked

1013
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: about this, I think on some of the other podcasts.

1014
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: Last summer we did a three three part podcast on

1015
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: how to use the l calls. And another thing you

1016
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: can you can practice is making a siren noise, which

1017
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: that's where you start at the low sound of a

1018
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: siren and then apply pressure with your tongue and climb

1019
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: the octave of notes, hold it and then drop it

1020
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: down together and then back and forth, back and forth.

1021
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: And what you're doing is you're just really building that

1022
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: that control of that diaphragm to where your tongue really

1023
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: knows how much pressure at the right times, your internal

1024
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: core or your diaphragm or your body understands how much

1025
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: air pressure to put across it. And you just practice

1026
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: that over and over again, and I promise you that's

1027
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: going to help make those col calls get really smooth

1028
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: and a lot sweet sounding instead of being too chirpy.

1029
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: Relax your mouth. The only thing that should be flexing

1030
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: is your tongue to get that high note. All right,

1031
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: here's a good question from Rome Borley. He says, why

1032
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: are dirks reads so much better than Jason's. Well, that's

1033
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: basically science, you know. I don't know. I guess maybe

1034
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: I just know how to build help diaphragms better than Jason.

1035
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, just kidding. We battle back and forth

1036
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: on who's is the best ever, and I'll tell you.

1037
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell him right to his face mine's the best ever,

1038
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: and he'll do the same with his But honestly, for

1039
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: folks wanting to call, you may or may not like

1040
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: my diaphragm. You may love it, or you may try

1041
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: it and be like, oh, I hate that thing. I

1042
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: can't make that thing go. That's why we offer such

1043
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: a wide writer. I think we have sixteen different varieties

1044
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: of amp diaphragms in our lineup, maybe more. Each one

1045
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: has a different latex thickness and stretch to fit all

1046
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: the different nuances of each caller. So if you like,

1047
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: if you feel like you have to blow calls really hard,

1048
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: you'd probably like a Maverick. If you don't blow the

1049
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: calls as hard, you probably like that pink one, or

1050
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: maybe maybe even like a black one, like the black amp.

1051
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: Those are pretty pretty nice, softer latex. The gray amp

1052
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Speaker 1: is a real popular one. You can google cal call

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Speaker 1: with them, but I always say pick pick up. You

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Speaker 1: know a handful of calls, you know three minimum three,

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Speaker 1: better yet five or six and play with them and

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Speaker 1: try them out. And see what what one works with

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Speaker 1: your style of calling the best. And then once you

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Speaker 1: kind of find one that you like, it's like, I

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Speaker 1: kind of like the way this one works, then practice

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Speaker 1: with it, and as time goes by, you'll you'll try

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Speaker 1: the other ones that you didn't like as much before,

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Speaker 1: and you may find you like them better than the

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Speaker 1: one you kind of like now, because as you learn

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Speaker 1: to call better, you'll learn to manipulate the calls better

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Speaker 1: and you'll probably find find a better favorite. So well,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna wrap it up with that question. There. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: everybody listening. That was fun. Got to dive down some

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Speaker 1: deep rabbit holes and and answer some silly questions and

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Speaker 1: some serious ones too. If you have any other questions,

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Speaker 1: you can email us at Cutting the Distance podcast at

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Speaker 1: Phelpsgamecalls dot com and ask us some questions, or you

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Speaker 1: can always hit us up on socials. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you're gonna if you're gonna ask a question to Jason Phelps,

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Speaker 1: particularly on the on the Phelps Game Calls UH Instagram channel,

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Speaker 1: you could you might want to try to ask him

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Speaker 1: questions on his personal one. It's Jason Glenn Phelps. If

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Speaker 1: you're not following him already. Mine is the bugler and

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Speaker 1: the felt the Phelps game calls ones. Him and I

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Speaker 1: both kind of get on there and answer questions and

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Speaker 1: and help folks on and on the d M. But

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Speaker 1: it's not consistent. So he's kind of guilty of like

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Speaker 1: starting a conversation and then and then abandoning it sometimes,

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Speaker 1: So and I do the same thing sometimes, So apologize

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Speaker 1: for that. We just get a lot of questions and

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Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to remember which account that we're

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Speaker 1: answering questions on. So anyhow, appreciate everybody listening, And I

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Speaker 1: hope you guys summer is going well, and good luck.

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Speaker 1: We got elk season in just a little over a month,

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Speaker 1: so I can't wait. We'll catch everybody on the flip flop.