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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Vice President Kamala Harris has chosen

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Governor Tim Walls as her next vice president. We

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Speaker 1: her new book, The Art of Power. Then we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to historian Heather Cox Richardson about rural voters and the

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Speaker 1: history there. And as a special Fancy exclusive bonus, we

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Speaker 1: are re airing my famous interview with Tim Walls where

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Speaker 1: he and I really became friends. But first we have

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Speaker 1: the host of Talking Fed's former US attorney Harry Littman.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to our weird Fast Politics, Talking Feds Mashup. I'm

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Speaker 1: Mollie John Fest, and here is Talking fed's host Terry Lipman.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another what we call at Talking Fed's land

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Speaker 2: Molly mash up with Molly John Fast, special correspondent for

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Speaker 2: Vandy Fair, host of the podcast Fast Politics, and man,

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Speaker 2: what a propitious time to be talking to her. There's

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Speaker 2: been a thing or two happened since we last convened Molly,

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Speaker 2: you can give me your little legal questions, but then

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Speaker 2: I get to throw my politics. But they're gonna be

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Speaker 2: what's going to tune me out and tune you in?

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Speaker 3: And that's just fine.

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Speaker 1: What do you got, Well, that's not necessarily true, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So explain to us what legal jeopardy does Trump face

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Speaker 2: Still a lot depending right now, depending on whether he

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Speaker 2: We lost that battle, but other cases still remain, with

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Speaker 2: But the January sixth case, it's gonna be trimmed down

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Speaker 2: and maybe probably not without cannon. And just yesterday, Molly,

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Speaker 2: you had Jenna Ls plead guilty in an Arizona case.

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Speaker 2: So there are these state elector cases. Trump is in

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Speaker 2: So that and also the civil case in New York,

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Speaker 2: So everything with the exception of the trim down January

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Speaker 1: So why is Fulton County gone?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's just such a mess.

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Speaker 2: It's not clear that Humpty Dumpty can put the pieces

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Speaker 3: In theory, there's going to be an appeal.

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Speaker 1: This is her off the case, whether.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. People that I talked to in Georgia

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Speaker 3: That would be the former president of the United States.

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Speaker 1: My turn, my turn, My turn.

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Speaker 2: As we speak, the ticket is set. Tim Wallas's Kama

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Speaker 1: Okay, So first of all, Tim Walls, the two things

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is wild stuff. Yeah, it's wild stuff. All right.

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Speaker 2: Back to Tim, so you mentioned, I do think that

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Speaker 1: A lot of people wanted Shapiro to be picked. I

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Speaker 1: think Shapiro looks more like someone who would come from

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi is the former Speaker of the House and

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Speaker 1: represents California's eleventh district. Welcome Speaker Pelosi.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Mollie.

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Speaker 1: Nice to be with you, Nice to have you. So

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Speaker 1: let's talk about this book. I want you to sort

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Speaker 6: This is a book about decisions, decisions relating to China,

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Speaker 6: the Wall Street meltdown that happened there, about the decision

436
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Speaker 6: to go Intoto, the Iraq War, which I completely opposed

437
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Speaker 6: and thought was wrong for our country, our attitude towards

438
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Speaker 6: China in terms of security, trade, and human rights. It's

439
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Speaker 6: about what happened on January sixth, It's about what happened

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Speaker 6: in my home to my husband, to go into that

441
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Speaker 6: a little bit about that, And it's about the leadership.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's about.

443
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Speaker 5: Power, and that's what it's called the art of power.

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Speaker 1: So we had all of that.

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Speaker 6: And again my China is from Taiwan, from tay Channaman

446
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Speaker 6: to Taiwan, and I have different phrases. For example, when

447
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Speaker 6: we talk about the Iraq War, my statement at the

448
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Speaker 6: time was the intelligence does not support the threat. About

449
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Speaker 6: what happened to the economy in September two thousand and eight,

450
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Speaker 6: the statement from the Chairman of the Fed, we won't

451
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Speaker 6: have an economy by Monday. The pat of the healthcare bill,

452
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Speaker 6: which is so transformative for our country but took so

453
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Speaker 6: much courage on the part of our members, that healthcare

454
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Speaker 6: is a right, not a privilege. And again about patriotism

455
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Speaker 6: for our country as it relates to January sixth, and

456
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Speaker 6: then just some thoughts about why I love the house.

457
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Speaker 6: People always ask me why, and you run for something

458
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Speaker 6: else when you're appointed to something.

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Speaker 5: I know I love the house.

460
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Speaker 6: So it's about my service and leadership there, demonstrated by

461
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Speaker 6: a few specific events and major pieces of legislation that

462
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Speaker 6: I was a part of.

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Speaker 1: Can we talk for a minute about the horrible attack

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Speaker 1: on your husband, Paul Pelosi, who was at home. Now,

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Speaker 1: you know, no offense, but he's not a young guy,

466
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Speaker 1: and a physical attack is much worse on someone who's older.

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Speaker 1: Will you talk about that? And also your decision to

468
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Speaker 1: write about it.

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Speaker 6: But I thought it was very important to write about

470
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Speaker 6: it because people asked about it. So I want the

471
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Speaker 6: horror of it all to be clear for the purpose

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Speaker 6: of trying to eliminate that kind of action, political violence

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Speaker 6: from our society. Here it was in our very own home,

474
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Speaker 6: an assault on our home, making our home a crime scene,

475
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Speaker 6: an attack on my husband, who is not even that political.

476
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Speaker 6: Actually the guilt I have for his paying the price

477
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Speaker 6: for my activism, and again what it has come to,

478
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Speaker 6: what it meant to my children and meant to my grandchildren.

479
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Speaker 6: With something I thought it was important to write something,

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Speaker 6: and I didn't write everything about it because frankly, Molly

481
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Speaker 6: Paul and I have never discussed it. The doctors tell

482
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Speaker 6: him to revisit it, and he doesn't want me to

483
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Speaker 6: suffer it undergo it. So what I had written about

484
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Speaker 6: is somewhat of what is in the public domain and

485
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Speaker 6: our individual experiences, but not his because now what I

486
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Speaker 6: know about it from him is what he testified in court.

487
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Speaker 6: But we've never had that discussion. So it's that still

488
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Speaker 6: traumatic for us, and the trauma will live on. He's

489
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Speaker 6: getting better, but he's not there yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean that when you have an older

491
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Speaker 1: person have an injury like that, it's a completely different

492
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Speaker 1: kind of thing. Can you explain to us about the

493
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Speaker 1: horrible way that the right treated him? You know?

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Speaker 6: It's so interesting thing is what's next. When this happened,

495
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 6: it was really painful for my children, my grandchildren, to

496
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Speaker 6: see former President of the United States, his family, sitting

497
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Speaker 6: governors make fun of what happened, to laugh at it,

498
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Speaker 6: to make it a joke. That was so painful. It

499
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 6: was so painful that someone was done civilized we would

500
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Speaker 6: never do that to somebody else, of course, but that

501
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 6: is nature of what provoked it in the first place,

502
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Speaker 6: in terms of their rhetoric, their political nasty rhetoric, and

503
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Speaker 6: how they reacted to it. Can you imagine making jokes

504
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 6: about somebody getting over that hit over the head with

505
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Speaker 6: the hammer three times a centimeter from death? Elder abuse

506
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Speaker 6: as you described that. We think of him as vigorous

507
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Speaker 6: in all the rest, But of course a lot of

508
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Speaker 6: his physical well being was affected by what happened that day.

509
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Speaker 6: But you know what, let me compare it to something else.

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Speaker 6: On January sixth, when these people made an assault on

511
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Speaker 6: the Capitol, on our constitution and on our democracy, and

512
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 6: it was all over, and they saw the danger and

513
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 6: the threat and all the rest. Overwhelmingly the Republicans voted

514
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Speaker 6: against accepting the electoral College vote peaceful transfer of power.

515
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Speaker 6: So I was like, what you're voting against this? In

516
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 6: large numbers, all of your leadership, we have an assault

517
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Speaker 6: which they see the danger of that they were all in,

518
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Speaker 6: mostly all of them were in. Not the leadership because

519
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 6: they had security, but that their stats were in that

520
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 6: the maintenance people in the capital and the custodians that

521
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 6: keep the capital beautiful had to clean up the poo

522
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Speaker 6: poo of these people actual theiration, but also their foul

523
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 6: language criticizing these people and derogatory and discriminatory terms. So

524
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Speaker 6: there's a sort of a lack of respect that you

525
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Speaker 6: see in both cases.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that's right, But I also

527
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Speaker 1: think you have experiences, both in your work and in

528
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Speaker 1: your home the sort of real cruelty of the right.

529
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Speaker 1: And I think like the McCarthy slash Johnson's speakerships have

530
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Speaker 1: shown us very clearly how talented a vote whipper you

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Speaker 1: are were. I mean, I feel like people respected you,

532
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Speaker 1: but because you made it look so easy, a lot

533
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Speaker 1: of people just assumed it was easy. And then those

534
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: two knuckleheads they lose rules votes. They're not able to

535
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Speaker 1: vote whip the way you are. Do you get a

536
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Speaker 1: quiet satisfaction out of this.

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Speaker 6: No, I don't think so. I mean, I would rather

538
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Speaker 6: see the Congress function in a way that is respectful

539
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 6: and try to bring people together. But I take great

540
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Speaker 6: pride in my legislative skills and my leadership, so I

541
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Speaker 6: don't I won't diminish that. And it all springs from

542
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 6: the courage of the members. Right to be respectful of

543
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 6: the members because it's their vote, their job, title, and

544
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 6: their jump description are one in the same representative. So

545
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 6: we had beautiful diversity, regional, generational, gender, gender id ethnically,

546
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 6: we have beautiful diversity and our caucus and so they

547
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 6: have different points of view, and I always say, our

548
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 6: diversity is our strength, our unity is our power. One point,

549
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 6: we were two votes. We were only two votes because

550
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 6: a couple of people ran for all left to one

551
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 6: run for governor, to join a community action group and

552
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 6: you know different things. We lost three and so we

553
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 6: had five, were down to two. But we still had

554
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 6: our shared values. We listened to each other and saw

555
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 6: where we could find our common ground and if we couldn't,

556
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 6: sometimes we had some Republican votes to take us over

557
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 6: the top. I was just determined that we would get

558
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Speaker 6: it done. And that determination their courage, our values and

559
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 6: again respect, respect, respect for everybody in the Congress, but

560
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Speaker 6: also knowing what our members were willing to take a

561
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Speaker 6: risk on.

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Speaker 1: It's respect, but it's also an ability to get people

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Speaker 1: to do things. And as someone who was quite good

564
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Speaker 1: at getting people to do things, I have a lot

565
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Speaker 1: of respect for you. I have to tell you, because

566
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Speaker 1: when you see how hard it is to get people

567
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Speaker 1: to vote for things, even it's not you know, some

568
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: of this stuff. It's just a question of being able

569
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Speaker 1: to get people to say they're going to do something

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Speaker 1: and do it. I mean, it's actually a really hard job.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'd say this one of the hardest things I

572
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 6: had to do, and I say this in the book,

573
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Speaker 6: the hardest thing I had to do.

574
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Speaker 1: When we had a.

575
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Speaker 6: Democratic president, Barack Obama, and we were doing the Affordable

576
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 6: Care Act. It was hard because the other side was

577
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 6: putting out negative false information. They were there for the

578
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 6: insurance industry, they were there for the pharmaceutical industry, they

579
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 6: were there for the anti governance croud and the rest

580
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Speaker 6: of that.

581
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Speaker 1: But we knew that what we believed in.

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Speaker 6: We worked together to craft our priorities and we prevailed.

583
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,719
Speaker 6: But when we lost the House, and people said it

584
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Speaker 6: was because of the Affordable Character, I don't even think that.

585
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Speaker 6: I think we lost it because of what happened on

586
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 6: Wall Street and the Republicans renaveed on their promise of

587
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 6: votes and we had to bail it out. And that

588
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 6: was attributed to us, even though it wasn't about Wall Street,

589
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 6: it was about our economy.

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Speaker 5: Anyway.

591
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Speaker 6: A lot of things came to bear in that election,

592
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Speaker 6: including the fact that because of the Supreme Court deciding

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Speaker 6: for Citizen Ju nine, it so called Citizen ju nine.

594
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Speaker 6: It The amount of money that was spent in two

595
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Speaker 6: thousand and nine was that's a non election year, but

596
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 6: one million dollars of dark this dark money and twenty

597
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Speaker 6: ten over one hundred million dollars.

598
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Speaker 1: At least we were going to win.

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Speaker 6: We had the candidates, we had the resources, we had

600
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Speaker 6: the ideas, all of it. And then in June boom

601
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 6: they just put in tons of money. And again unemployment

602
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 6: was high, like nine percent. You know, there are other

603
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 6: factors about it, but nonetheless, nonetheless, when we lost and

604
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 6: they came in, there were Republicans would put up these

605
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Speaker 6: things that sound like motherhood in apple Pie when motherhood

606
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 6: and pie used to be popular, right. They put up

607
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 6: these propositions about the Affordable Care Act, And so my

608
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 6: members would say, well, that sounds good. They're advertising that

609
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 6: in my district. I can vote for that, And I

610
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 6: said they can't. Now this is when I say to

611
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 6: you the hardest part, Molly, Now you can't because it

612
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Speaker 6: undermines the Affordable Care Act. And they would say, well,

613
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Speaker 6: I know my district better than you do. I said, well,

614
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Speaker 6: I certainly so, but I know the Affordable Care back

615
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 6: better than you do ye and not vote for. So

616
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 6: I'm having to say to these lovely members of Congress Democrats,

617
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Speaker 6: some of them weren't even there when we did the

618
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Speaker 6: Affordable Care acts.

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Speaker 1: You know. They came later, you know, in the.

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Speaker 6: Next election, and I said, you just have to vote

621
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Speaker 6: with the president. But they didn't want to, and I

622
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Speaker 6: had to have shull. We say the friendship in my

623
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Speaker 6: voice a little less friendly.

624
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Speaker 1: Did helping a million kids prepare you for this job?

625
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Speaker 5: Not quite a million, but some days it might have

626
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 5: felt like that I did.

627
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Speaker 1: But I have a lot of kids. I mean I

628
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Speaker 1: only have three of you have five. I feel like

629
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Speaker 1: there are certain skills you've got as a mother, of

630
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Speaker 1: just like of dealing with people and helping people deal

631
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Speaker 1: with each other that are actually weirdly relevant to dealing

632
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Speaker 1: with members of Congress.

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Speaker 6: Now let us praise mothers. Others are what are domestic engineers.

634
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 6: There are coachspers, they're diplomats. They have to resolve differences

635
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 6: of opinion, all the rest that say, chauffeur you, religious advisors,

636
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 6: all the rests. Mothers are everything I have to say

637
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 6: that when I talk to women, and I said, well,

638
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 6: I'm just a housewive.

639
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Speaker 5: How can I run?

640
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 6: I said, don't ever say to me, you're just a housewif,

641
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 6: being a mom, being a housewif. Put that in the

642
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 6: plus column. Give yourself a gold star for that. So, yeah,

643
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 6: just in terms of respecting different views, and there are

644
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 6: different views and families, you know, that's for sure. It

645
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 6: probably was helpful. But what was helpful too, is I

646
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 6: never even washed my face someday. I mean, you don't

647
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 6: have any time for anything. You know, time is the

648
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 6: most valuable commodity and it is finite. And so how

649
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 6: you manage your time, how you multitask, how you respect

650
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Speaker 6: different views and try to resolve differences among the children

651
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Speaker 6: and that. But the most important thing about it for

652
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Speaker 6: me was that having the five children just drove home

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Speaker 6: the message to me that one in five children in

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Speaker 6: America lives in poverty. And anything motivated me to go

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Speaker 6: from housewife to house speaker. It was the one in

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Speaker 6: five children that in America lives in poverty. That was

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Speaker 6: my why. That's why I left home. I had no

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Speaker 6: interest in running for congress. Shy and bashful as I was,

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Speaker 6: I loved being the chair of the California Democratic Party

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Speaker 6: because I was a volunteer and I could work behind

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Speaker 6: the scenes to promote other candidates and our position, our candidates,

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Speaker 6: our agenda and the rest.

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Speaker 7: And that was great.

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Speaker 6: Then when people came and said you should be running

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Speaker 6: for Congress, I thought, why me. I've never even wanted

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Speaker 6: to thought about or anything, And then I did. And

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Speaker 6: then again, being a mom being bringing family together, that

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Speaker 6: can be a very challenging task. That's anybody who's had

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Speaker 6: Thanksgiving dinner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think Democrats can win the House this cycle? Definitely.

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Speaker 6: I thought we were going to hold it last time, Mollie.

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Speaker 6: Everybody was sitting in thirty forty seats, and I said,

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Speaker 6: we're not. I don't know why these pundits are saying this.

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Speaker 6: They don't talk about because we had great candidates. They

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Speaker 6: had a very good contrast in terms of their position

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Speaker 6: versus the Republicans in terms of women. Was ready to

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Speaker 6: choose climate, gun violence protection, fairness in our economy, and

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Speaker 6: what worked in their district. And I thought we were

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Speaker 6: going to I thought we could hold it. While they

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Speaker 6: were saying we're losing thirty we can all but in

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Speaker 6: losing five seats in New York, which was stunning, but

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Speaker 6: we'll win those back in haw Keen will be speaker,

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Speaker 6: so we will win. I'm no doubt we will win

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Speaker 6: the House of Representatives and hopefully hold or grow in

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Speaker 6: the Senate. But I don't I don't know the number.

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Speaker 6: I'm not I'm data district or district on the ground

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Speaker 6: in terms of the House, so I can speak with

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Speaker 6: some authority there.

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Speaker 5: And of course the.

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Speaker 6: Most important thing we have to do is to make

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Speaker 6: sure that, under no circumstance whatsoever, that Donald Trump comes

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Speaker 6: within a mile of the White House.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's certainly true. Are there any congressional seats that

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Speaker 1: you're thinking about that you're sort of watching to flip

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Speaker 1: that you are excited about.

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Speaker 6: Well, we have a couple in California that we think

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Speaker 6: that we should be able to get. I mean, we

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Speaker 6: have a big majority in California. They're fifty two members.

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Speaker 6: We have forty. They have twelve. I like to jump

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Speaker 6: down to single digits now that's there. And in New York,

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Speaker 6: for example, we can I think get the five bat

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Speaker 6: we already have one back in terms of Swazi or

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Speaker 6: and we can get a chunk of those, But in

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Speaker 6: between the coast, there are so many great candidates who

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Speaker 6: are courageous enough to put their name forth, knowledgeable enough

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Speaker 6: to speak to their vision and their values and their priorities,

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Speaker 6: and clever enough to be strategic in how to present

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Speaker 6: it and get the job done, and compassionate enough to

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Speaker 6: show people what is in their hearts. So we have

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Speaker 6: a great not only My goal is not to just win,

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Speaker 6: it's to win with more. You know, they win the five. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: we're can win the four, but I want more than that.

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Speaker 6: And Susan Delbeny our chier. She's fabulous. He's just fabulous.

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Speaker 6: And I just take my leads from her and from

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Speaker 6: Hakim and our leadership. And Hakeem will be the Speaker

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Speaker 6: of the House. When I stepped aside, I was hoping

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Speaker 6: that it would be that he would be the speaker

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Speaker 6: at that time.

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Speaker 1: He's really really talented. You picked her. It's great, you

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Speaker 1: did a great job, and I continue to believe that

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Speaker 1: you have real incredible powers of persuasion and picking and

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Speaker 1: et cetera that almost no one else in the world has.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, Nancy Pelosi.

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Speaker 6: I get better to our caucus that he's their choice

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Speaker 6: and I take my lead from him, and his strength

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Speaker 6: springs from the respect he commands in the caucus. Katherine

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Speaker 6: Clark and Pete Apolar sed Lou, I mean, we're in

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Speaker 6: really good shape with our leadership. And Susan Bella, she's wonderful.

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Speaker 6: I used to say of her. The one place I

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Speaker 6: love to go in the campaign is to Washington State

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Speaker 6: because I don't have to do anything. Sometimes I think

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Speaker 6: I have to do the floors and windows and cook

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Speaker 6: the food and set table and raise the money. With her,

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Speaker 6: you just walk in the door because she commands so

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Speaker 6: much respect and people love her, and you know it's

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Speaker 1: Are you concerned about Project twenty twenty five and how

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Speaker 1: do to this country. Please watch and help us spread

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Speaker 1: the word. Heather Cox Richardson is a historian and author

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Speaker 1: of probably the most popular substack in the entire world.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Heather. First things first, I think is, you know,

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Speaker 1: Democrats do have a rural voter. I don't even want

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Speaker 1: to say it's a problem, because it's always not been

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Speaker 1: the Democratic sweet spot. But you know, a couple months ago,

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Speaker 1: I was at a dinner talking to the sort of

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Speaker 1: most the member of Congress, a guy called Jared He's

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Speaker 1: probably not far from you, Jared Golden. He's actually upstate. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's a main he's a rural main congressman. And he

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Speaker 1: was talking about how hard it is to speak to

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Speaker 1: rural voters as a Democrat you live in a rural area.

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls is in some ways a rural pick because

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Speaker 1: he can speak to a lot of rural American activities.

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Speaker 1: So talk to me about what this divided country looks like,

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Speaker 1: not even you know, divided on many levels, right.

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Speaker 7: Well, right, I will say that coming from an area

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Speaker 7: that is rural, you know, we always laugh a little

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Speaker 7: bit at the idea that we're some kind of zoo animal,

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Speaker 7: that you know, what's wrong with rural America, because in fact,

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Speaker 7: you know, we're just people here and in many ways,

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Speaker 7: you know, we always joke that it's people in the

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Speaker 7: big cities who are more provincial than us because they

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Speaker 7: think they can have everything right where they are, whereas

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Speaker 7: we recognize that we need to have ideas from outside

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Speaker 7: and people from outside. So that is a start for

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Speaker 7: looking at the rural urban divide. There's also the issue

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Speaker 7: of the fact that quite deliberately, during the Nixon administration,

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Speaker 7: his advisor at the time, Pat Buchanan, made it a

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Speaker 7: real point to try and divide the country along that

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Speaker 7: fissure by saying that the you know, the elites don't

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Speaker 7: like people like us.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 7: That was this very deliberate straw man. And the other

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Speaker 7: thing that I would say about this moment is that

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Speaker 7: as I look around me, the difference between people who

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Speaker 7: are died in the Wolmagga Republicans in rural my part

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Speaker 7: of rural America and the ones who are not is

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Speaker 7: really the people who consume right wing media. And that's

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Speaker 7: a place I think that Democrats really did fall but

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Speaker 7: fall behind is on not combating the rise of the

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Speaker 7: Fox News Channel in the nineteen nineties and talk radio

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Speaker 7: as well. So I'm not entirely sure that there's a

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Speaker 7: huge difference between people who live in small towns versus

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Speaker 7: people who live in cities so much as those particular lines.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that Jared said, I said,

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Speaker 1: you know, my question to everybody always is how to

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Speaker 1: hear people get their news? And he said radio. And

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Speaker 1: I think a lot about right after radio host shock

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Speaker 1: jock Rush Limbad died, he had been the greatest get

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Speaker 1: out the vote turnout machine for Republicans ever, And I

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Speaker 1: just wonder if you could talk a little more about

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Speaker 1: Democrats seating the airways on radio.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 7: So it's very interesting what has happened since Limbad died

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Speaker 7: in twenty twenty one, and that is not only was

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Speaker 7: he a person who got at the vote, he was

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Speaker 7: also the person who established what the talking points of

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Speaker 7: the Republicans were going to be. So with his laws,

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Speaker 7: you'll you see the Republican Party really splintering, especially as

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Speaker 7: people are trying to get airtime by going on farther

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Speaker 7: and farther right wing podcasts and splitting the vote up

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Speaker 7: that way between you know, people taking their their own

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Speaker 7: little issue to some right wing person and people who

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Speaker 7: don't want any part of that, and yet being harnessed

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Speaker 7: to it. So Limbaugh's loss was a big one for

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Speaker 7: the Republicans. So I think was the settlement, the seven

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Speaker 7: hundred and eighty seven million dollars settlement that the Fox

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Speaker 7: News Channel had to pay for pushing the big lie

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Speaker 7: that Trumpet won in twenty twenty because they too backed

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Speaker 7: off on the idea of there being this one line

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Speaker 7: in the face of anything. And since then, I think,

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Speaker 7: absolutely fall apart. And that's something that we have not

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Speaker 7: much is that splintering now The Democrats, in contrast, as

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Speaker 7: I say, I don't think they were as quick as

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Speaker 7: making sure that they countered the Fox new Channel. Though

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Speaker 7: remember the Fox News Channel never paid for itself. It

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Speaker 7: was where it was because of the cable fees. And

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Speaker 7: what I think you have seen really since the rise

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Speaker 7: of the Internet, and since the rise of zoom during

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Speaker 7: the pandemic, and since the rise of things like newsletters

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Speaker 7: is the ability of people with a much more progressive

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Speaker 7: position to get their message out into more rural communities.

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Speaker 7: And you know, I think of somebody like Jess Piper

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Speaker 7: and Missouri, who you know, has been really out there

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Speaker 7: in front on issues that rural people really care about,

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Speaker 7: like public education. This whole idea of the vouchers that

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Speaker 7: concentrate public tax money in private schools might work for

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Speaker 7: you know, right wing voters in urban areas, but you're

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Speaker 7: if you're in a small community, you're going to lose

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Speaker 7: your public school. And she's been out there in front,

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Speaker 7: through social media, through a newsletter, and in so many

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Speaker 7: different ways, reaching the people who previously might not have

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Speaker 7: been able to voice their content of believing in progressive

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's a really good point and

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Speaker 1: public schools are such an important element of rural community,

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Speaker 1: but so are hospitals. And as we both know right now,

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Speaker 1: states are getting money from Medicare expansion, Medicare Medicaid expansion,

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Speaker 1: and that money can save rural hospitals. And some of

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Speaker 1: these red staate governors are rejecting this money.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and the terror of having a desperately ill child

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Speaker 7: at two or three o'clock in the morning and not

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Speaker 7: being able to get medical care. You know, that's something

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Speaker 7: that has nothing to do with your political position. It

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Speaker 7: has to do with sort of our fundamental beliefs as

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Speaker 7: human beings that we should sup each other in a community.

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Speaker 7: And those, by the way, are not values that I

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Speaker 7: think rural America ever walked away from. It's just that

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Speaker 7: it has been hard to find people to articulate those

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Speaker 7: in the past forty years for various reasons, both in

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Speaker 7: terms of the degree to which Republicans have flooded the airwaves,

870
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 7: but also in the degrees to which Democrats always seem

871
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 7: to be on the back foot. And one of the

872
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 7: things that's so interesting about the now vice presidential Democratic

873
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 7: nominee Tim Waltz is that he's been out in front saying, yeah,

874
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 7: you know, call me a monster. I'm making sure kids

875
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 7: get fed and get medical care and get educations. You know,

876
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 7: do you really want to say that this is partisan

877
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 7: because it's not. These are community values in the United

878
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 7: States of America.

879
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, they really are. And I think you know, with

880
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: this framing that somehow Walls is this very lefty guy,

881
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: when in fact much of the policy is actually just popular,

882
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 1: is kind of nutty. I'm wondering if you could talk

883
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: to us just a little bit about the sort of

884
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: this is a moment that's very without historical president, but

885
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you were to figure out a president

886
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: what it might be.

887
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 7: Well, you know, one of the things that I'd like

888
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 7: to say to people is, although we focus on the

889
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 7: Donald Trump moment and what that has meant, both in

890
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 7: terms of its continuity from the Republican Party and of

891
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 7: its new authoritarianism, that's a crisis. But at the same

892
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 7: time we I think we are also looking at I'm sorry,

893
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 7: I'm going to go all country on you here a

894
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 7: title change. That is, for forty years, we have operated

895
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 7: largely under the idea of neoliberalism, the idea of letting

896
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 7: markets determine the way societies work, and you know all

897
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 7: the things that that that came with that, and we

898
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 7: could break that down by party and by who was

899
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 7: involved in all and all the different aspects of it,

900
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 7: but that clearly has failed. And what the Biden Harris

901
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 7: administration did is it reminded us that in fact, the

902
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 7: previous system, the one we had between nineteen thirty three

903
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 7: and nineteen eighty one, actually worked. That if you invested

904
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 7: in ordinary Americans, the economy group people did better, The

905
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 7: radicalism declined, all the things that people had said in

906
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 7: those years from thirty three to eighty one, and of

907
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 7: course they tried to expand it so that they weren't

908
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 7: centering basically white nuclear families. They tried to expand their

909
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 7: idea of protecting ordinary Americans to center around children and

910
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 7: their caregivers. But what we're seeing, I think, is this

911
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 7: moment in which we are leaving the past behind and

912
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 7: creating something new. And what that new looks like is

913
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 7: not yet articulated. And it's one of the reasons I

914
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 7: find this moment so exciting is that there are new voices,

915
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 7: and there's new ways of looking at things, and there's

916
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 7: new ideas, and there's new literature, and there's new art,

917
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 7: and there's new music, and that excitement is of course

918
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 7: terrifying for people who just want to cling to the old.

919
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 7: But it's also a moment in which we don't really

920
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 7: know what the future is going to look like. So

921
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 7: one of the things that I'm watching is this is

922
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 7: precedented in the sense that this this is very much

923
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 7: like the eighteen fifties and eighteen sixties looked like. It's

924
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 7: very much what the eighteen nineties and nineteen oughts looked like.

925
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 7: What I'm interested in is the breakdown of the old

926
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 7: lines of partisan politics into this very simple dichotomy of

927
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 7: are you in favor of democracy or a dictatorship? And

928
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 7: then on the other side of that, you know, I'm

929
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 7: watching especially Republicans for Harris, and I think there's a

930
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 7: great deal of discomfort there as you know, well, I'm

931
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 7: not a Democrat, and the answer to that is no,

932
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 7: you're not. But in ten years, I don't think we

933
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 7: know what either either party's going to look like or

934
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 7: who's going to be on which side of which divides,

935
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 7: so that in the eighteen sixties, for example, there are

936
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 7: people who went into the Lincoln administration who were fervent

937
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 7: pro slavery Democrats who simply believed in defending the Union.

938
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Speaker 7: And you know, five or six years later, they tended

939
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 7: to be the you know, the more radical people, and

940
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 7: you know, you just didn't know which way people were

941
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 7: going to jump. And I think we're looking at something

942
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 7: very similar now. I actually find it really exciting.

943
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I find it terrifying. But maybe that's

944
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: our difference in worldviews. I'm trying not to go too

945
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: dark because anytime I run into someone who listens to

946
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: the podcast, they're like, you're very dark. But when we

947
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: talk about this kind of problem in the Republican party, right,

948
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 1: we have this Republican party that no longer believes really

949
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: in our system of democracy. And I actually think what

950
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: we were talking was a little bit you know, with Nixon,

951
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: this was a slow progression, right, anti democracy make it

952
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: harder to vote. I mean, there certainly it harkens back

953
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: to Jim Crow, but the Republicans sort of got on board,

954
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: and then Trump was sort of the coup de grass.

955
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: Now a large percentage of this country is banking on

956
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: the idea that if Republicans are defeated at the ballot box,

957
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: these anti democratic impulses or really it's sort of an

958
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: illness will go away. I worry that they won't.

959
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 7: Well, they never have in the past, for sure. I mean,

960
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 7: we always have those people. But at their highest a

961
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 7: reactionary right wing movement never gets more than thirty three percent,

962
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 7: and that's its ceiling of support in any society, and

963
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 7: certainly in the United States. I would suggest that it

964
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 7: would be possible for us finally to grip or to

965
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 7: come to grips with the idea that we're never going

966
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 7: to get rid of it fully unless we make sure

967
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 7: our guard rails are very very strong. What tends to

968
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 7: happen is we tend to support democracy in the United

969
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 7: States and then think, oh, we're done, everything's good now,

970
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 7: and then of course those reactionary forces gain momentum and

971
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 7: go forward again. And you know, we don't have to

972
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 7: live that way. We don't have to have this pendulum

973
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 7: going back and forth. Other countries don't. We don't have

974
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 7: to do that. I will say. In terms of the darkness,

975
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 7: I think I've got some years on you. And one

976
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 7: of the things that I know a lot of people

977
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 7: who are terrified of the new faces in government and

978
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 7: the new ideas and so on. And you know, one

979
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 7: of the things that I find very comforting, first of all,

980
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 7: is I find new stuff very exciting. But I mean,

981
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 7: I don't know how to say this without sounding a

982
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 7: bit dark, but if you look at the past many years,

983
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 7: it would be hard to do worse than some of

984
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 7: the people who are looked upon as being legitimate American leaders.

985
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 7: And I really don't want to call out individual names,

986
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 7: but it's hard to imagine that you couldn't swing a

987
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 7: cat in a barroom and do better than you know,

988
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 7: Chad Wolf or do better than you know and that

989
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 7: list is not short. Yeah, there you go, Tommy Tupper, Like, literally,

990
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 7: I could cross the street to my ninety some year

991
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 7: old neighbor and he would do a better job than

992
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 7: Tommy Tupperville.

993
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not saying much, but yeah, for sure, Yeah, no,

994
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean I think that's a good point.

995
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: Republicans have been doing this for a long time.

996
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, so, am I going to agree with

997
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 7: everything that the next generation of politicians does? Absolutely not,

998
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 7: But you know what, let's take it out for spin.

999
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree. And the reality is, I mean,

1000
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 1: even Richard Nixon, who were really hearkening back to another

1001
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: time he was terrible. So there have been a lot

1002
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: of terrible Republicans. You did this interview with Joe Biden.

1003
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: Joe Biden seems to have a real interest in academics

1004
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: and historians. Can you talk to me about interviewing him

1005
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: and also about that?

1006
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think he does have an interest in history.

1007
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 7: I'm not sure in historians, except as the one reflects

1008
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 7: the other, and that is that I think he recognizes

1009
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 7: that he has lived through a lot of crucial years

1010
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 7: in the United States and has been an actor in

1011
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 7: a lot of them. And one of the things that

1012
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 7: I have found fascinating about him two things. Actually, one

1013
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 7: I have found fascinating is that he is having lived

1014
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 7: through the changes he lived through and having to work

1015
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 7: with people like strom Thurmond, he has become a really

1016
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 7: masterful negotiator, which you know, that's not rocket science. Everybody

1017
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 7: says that about him, but you know, it's really astonishing.

1018
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: He just negotiated the largest multi country prisoner deal. I

1019
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: think there's some historical president for this, but not much.

1020
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 7: That's correct, and I would I mean, that is obviously huge.

1021
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 7: His focus and his great strength has always been in

1022
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 7: foreign affairs. But the one that got me was the

1023
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 7: fact that he managed to get through the House of

1024
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 7: Representatives under House Speaker Mike Johnson, a Republican of Louisiana,

1025
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 7: a National security supplemental bill to give money to Ukraine, and.

1026
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: A lot of people thought would never get passed.

1027
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 7: I thought it would never have get passed, and I

1028
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 7: would have lost it months before Biden did. And he

1029
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 7: just kept scratching away at it, and you know, through

1030
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 7: one person and through another until he got it done,

1031
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 7: which I just that has just been astonishing to watch.

1032
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 7: The other thing that I think is interesting about Biden,

1033
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 7: to go back to where we are in this moment

1034
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 7: today with the naming of Walsa, the governor of Minnesota,

1035
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 7: as the vice presidential nominee, is I think there is

1036
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 7: level at which Biden has always held himself or has

1037
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 7: been held I'm not going to attribute blame to either

1038
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 7: side here from what has been accepted as inside the Beltway,

1039
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 7: being part of the in crowd, or maybe not the Beltway,

1040
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 7: maybe in the sort of eastern political circles. And I

1041
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 7: think he's very aware of that, and I think that

1042
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 7: it may in fact have influenced not only his presentation

1043
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 7: by the media, but also the way he approached politics.

1044
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 7: That is, he is exceedingly warm. He is very aware

1045
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 7: of what it means to have to take care of

1046
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 7: an ill child or have to put food on the table.

1047
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 7: He's very in tune with the kind of world that

1048
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 7: is not always represented in, for example, the New York Times,

1049
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 7: and that embrace on his part of what could be

1050
00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 7: characterized as sort of the down home rural experience. I

1051
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 7: think it's actually mattered a lot. It's mattered a lot

1052
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 7: in the way he has shown in the media, it

1053
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 7: matters a lot in the way people interpret him, and

1054
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 7: I think it's mattered a lot in the way that

1055
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 7: he has governed.

1056
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has also just lived through an incredible tragedy.

1057
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: It's very hard as a Democrat not to look at

1058
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: the incredible momentum that Harris has and to not feel

1059
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: that it was the right thing for Joe Biden to

1060
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: drop out. But I also think that the way it

1061
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: happened ultimately, you know that those three weeks were critical

1062
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: in her being able to rally support among the base,

1063
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: that it really was a sort of seamless process. What's

1064
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: your thinking.

1065
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 7: I think that's right, and I think he managed it

1066
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 7: actually simply beautifully. I was terribly concerned that if he

1067
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 7: stepped out that we would get the kind of disarray

1068
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 7: and infighting that we saw after nineteen sixty eight, for example,

1069
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 7: or in the nineteen sixty eight campaign. And you know,

1070
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 7: it was thirty two hours from him announcing after the

1071
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 7: talk shows were over on Sunday that he would not

1072
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 7: accept the Democratic nomination to her being the presumptive nominee

1073
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 7: because she had ironed out all the number of delegates

1074
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 7: that she needed. That was absolutely masterful. And I will

1075
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 7: also point out that one of the things that he

1076
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 7: has always been really good at is taking a bad

1077
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 7: situation and in my mind, I see him almost as

1078
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 7: if he is stepping on it to something else. What

1079
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 7: he did in the way that he tapped Harris for

1080
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 7: the nomination was he vaulted himself into the position of

1081
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 7: being a statesman. And you know, we haven't had a

1082
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Speaker 7: real statesman in a very long time in politics. I mean,

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Speaker 7: we have people like Jimmy Carter, of course, who really

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Speaker 7: excelled in human rights, but in American politics to be

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Speaker 7: able to stand above the fray, It's been a long

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Speaker 7: time since somebody could stand above the and we need

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Speaker 7: that in this election because somebody's going to have to

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Speaker 7: be protecting the sanctity of the vote and the ability

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Speaker 7: to count the vote. And of course that falls under

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Speaker 7: Biden's Article two powers. So it's going to be hard

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Speaker 7: for the Supreme Court at that point if he feels

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Speaker 7: the need to do anything, to say he can't do it.

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Speaker 7: And similarly, also in his Article two powers are the

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Speaker 7: ability to conduct foreign affairs. And I will point out

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Speaker 7: there's one or two little things, and of course I'm

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00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 7: being facetious and not meaning to denigrate anything that are

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Speaker 7: hanging out there right now that I suspect he would

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Speaker 7: like to be able to do without being accused of

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Speaker 7: being partisan if he does them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us, Heather.

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Speaker 7: It's always a pleasure, Molly.

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls is the governor of Minnesota and the presumptive

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Speaker 1: Democratic vice presidential nominee. Welcome Too Fast Politics.

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Speaker 5: Governor Laws, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jesse and I have long wanted to have

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Speaker 1: you on this podcast because some of the progressive legislation

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Speaker 1: you have passed has become sort of like the wish

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Speaker 1: list of all liberals. So you're kind of a big deal.

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Speaker 5: It's like the new Deal. We did the new Deal

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Speaker 5: out here.

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Speaker 1: So yes, you and Governor Pritzker are sort of two

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Speaker 1: of our people where you've done the impossible. So you

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Speaker 1: shot to fame in my mind when I saw that

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Speaker 1: picture of you and the children.

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Speaker 5: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so talk to me about some of this progressive legislation,

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Speaker 1: how you've done it. And also can we talk about

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Speaker 1: that photo of the children when you've signed the free breakfast.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well thanks for bringing it up, Molly. I can

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Speaker 5: die a happy man after that. And look, I've got

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Speaker 5: a great comms team and everything. And people were writing

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Speaker 5: them saying this was the most brilliant thing, and they're

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Speaker 5: also very humble. They said, look, this was organic. We

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Speaker 5: in Minnesota passed free breakfast and lunch for all of

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Speaker 5: our kids. No more meal shaming, no more different colored ticket,

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Speaker 5: no more families having to worry about filling out all

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Speaker 5: the paperwork whatever. For goodness sake, we can feed our children.

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Speaker 5: So we went out to Webster Elementary School to sign that,

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Speaker 5: and I did a signing and we had all the

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Speaker 5: advocates in the legislator, but we were in a school

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Speaker 5: with these kids and they were kind of just all

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Speaker 5: setting around. These are elementary school kids, and they were

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Speaker 5: into this. And I remember my signing statement. I said,

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Speaker 5: and now all your classmates can eat. And these kids,

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Speaker 5: they're pure joy of understanding what it means to be

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Speaker 5: a decent human being, just sprung up and they just

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Speaker 5: kind of mobbed me. It was this happy grandfather photo

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01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 5: type of thing, but just symbolic of what we can do.

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Speaker 5: So and I think that, you know, going back to

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Speaker 5: why do we get this done? Because how do you

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Speaker 5: argue about that? It's just a smart thing. Look, these

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01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 5: are also markets for our farmers out here, or a

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Speaker 5: big agricultural state. I always try and drop troop bombs

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Speaker 5: on all of you. We produce more turkeys than any

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Speaker 5: other state, so just so you know, we're the turkey

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01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 5: capital of the world world, and so we have all this.

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Speaker 5: We produce a ton of food and our kids can eat.

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Speaker 5: And I think we went into this session saying, look,

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Speaker 5: there has been a pent up desire and people ask

1151
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Speaker 5: me what, you know, what are you most proud of?

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Speaker 5: There is a list of things here that is really awesome.

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Speaker 5: It's things that we fought for decades over I think

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Speaker 5: For me, it was changing this attitude progressives by nature

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01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 5: are you know, we're progressive and we're hopeful, but we

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01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 5: can also be pessimistic. People, Oh it's a nice day,

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Speaker 5: but it may snow tomorrow type of thing. Very minispotent

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Speaker 5: about that. But I said, we were conditioned that bad

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01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 5: things happened. Pasting good things took decades, because twenty years

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Speaker 5: to get driver's licenses for folks who are undocumented, that

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01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 5: is absolutely ridiculous. They're here, they're working, they're doing stuff.

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Speaker 5: Get them a driver's license. Keep people say we did

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Speaker 5: all those things at once. So for me, it changed

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Speaker 5: people's attitude, and especially with young people. I had a

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Speaker 5: young eighteen year old who worked on a lot of

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Speaker 5: this stuff, was in turning at first and working and said,

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Speaker 5: you know, I worked on your campaign governor. We won,

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Speaker 5: and five months later we have paid family medically, eat

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Speaker 5: free breakfast and wat is legal. This stuff's not that hard,

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Speaker 5: and I'm like, oh my god, we've created monsters here,

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Speaker 5: but in a good way. So that's how that came about,

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Speaker 5: and that I think that photo was just accumulation of

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Speaker 5: what kind of progressive dreams is. Look when our people,

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Speaker 5: you know, they want to make it like we have

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Speaker 5: an extreme agenda. Yep, it's just crazy. We want these

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Speaker 5: elementary kids to eat. That is just really wild, and

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Speaker 5: it really just stuck. It was pretty hard to push

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Speaker 5: back against that photo.

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Speaker 1: When you watch Republicans argue about free mails and those

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Speaker 1: like we don't want you know, some middle class kid

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Speaker 1: getting a free breakfast, and you really do see how

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Speaker 1: little this whole thing makes any sense, right Like you

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Speaker 1: are a wealthy country.

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Speaker 5: That's where they're stuck right now. They don't have anything Molly,

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Speaker 5: And on this one they actually said this to me, Look,

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Speaker 5: there's going to be people that don't need this tax break.

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Speaker 5: When have they ever talked about wealthy people that they're

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Speaker 5: worried that somebody's going to need it who doesn't need it?

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Speaker 5: And I'm telling you what I heard on this problem

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Speaker 5: was for those families who did not qualify for free

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Speaker 5: and produced lunch, whose kids wanted to eat at school

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Speaker 5: and now could and because of the way our country

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Speaker 5: still you know, the division of labor still falls heavily

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Speaker 5: on women. Eric mothers date, Thank god, I don't have

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Speaker 5: to make breakfast in the morning. It's like my life

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Speaker 5: so much better. That was the thank you like, look,

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01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 5: we can afford it and everything, but this is just

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Speaker 5: so much easier. So I agree, they got no pushback

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Speaker 5: on it. That's your pushback. We can't afford to feed

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Speaker 5: our kids.

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Speaker 1: So one of the stark contrasts I think of between

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Speaker 1: blue state and red steak governors is in Arkansas and

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Speaker 1: a lot of other states, you have a red steak

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Speaker 1: governors signing legislation that makes it easier for companies when

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Speaker 1: they have underage children working, to not have to pay

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Speaker 1: the same kind of fines because likely they have underage

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Speaker 1: children working. That has been real movement in these red

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Speaker 1: states to make the fines lesser for child labor. Talk

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Speaker 1: to me about what it looks like to be a

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Speaker 1: blue state governor in that kind of America.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it feels like Victorian England. David Copperfielders. It was

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Speaker 5: a really great when showed the contrast. I think it

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Speaker 5: was the same week I signed the breakfast, I think

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Speaker 5: the governor of Arkansas signed you know, child labor laws,

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Speaker 5: and I'll tell you what, her picture did not look

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Speaker 5: as happy as the kids in my picture who were

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Speaker 5: organically thrilled. Look that's what they're doing, and unfortunately this

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Speaker 5: is in very dangerous business. We also are you know,

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Speaker 5: protein backing states from meatpacking plans. These are dangerous places.

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Speaker 5: There are no places for kids and trying to look,

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01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 5: we're all dealing with, you know, labor shortages that we're

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Speaker 5: trying to get. We simply take a different approach and

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01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 5: said we're going to protect union workers and we're going

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Speaker 5: to pay people more and lo and behold. When you

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01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 5: pay people more and give them worker protections, people move

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Speaker 5: to your state and start working in those businesses. So

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Speaker 5: this truly is the race to the bottom versus the

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Speaker 5: idea of lifting up and building. And again we're making

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Speaker 5: the case out here. We did all of these things

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Speaker 5: and for the first time on the CNBC they do

1231
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Speaker 5: their survey of the best states for the business climate.

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Speaker 5: We moved into the top five, replacing Texas. Because it

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Speaker 5: works when your workers are well paid, they have paid timumitically,

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Speaker 5: they have healthcare, their children have daycare, they have and

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Speaker 5: you have an education level. Look, we made college free

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Speaker 5: to folks that are making less than eighty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 5: Those are those working families that we need to participate

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Speaker 5: in our economy. So I agree with you. The contrast

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Speaker 5: could not be greater. And when we start measuring this,

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Speaker 5: you really start to see it. And I don't know

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01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 5: where the end state is for them. I don't know

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Speaker 5: how telling people forcing your kids, Oh it'll teach them

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01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 5: character whatever, as they lose an arm and you know

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Speaker 5: in the equipment it makes no sense.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean part of that is there's no paths

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Speaker 1: as citizenships. So these children are smuggled over and they

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Speaker 1: go get jobs and send all their money home. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's just as unfair.

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Speaker 5: Exactly right. And and here for twenty years, we tried

1250
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 5: to make the case, you know, post nine to eleven. Oh,

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01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 5: they could be terrified. We didn't give them driver's licenses.

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Speaker 5: All they wanted to do was drive to work and

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01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 5: then drive over to the school and pick their kid

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01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 5: up and go home. And they're here processing those turkeys

1255
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 5: that I talk to you about doing the work is

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01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 5: necessarily paying their taxes. And we made the case here

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Speaker 5: in Minnesota is look, it is a moral imperative that

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Speaker 5: people be safe, that they be protected, and we provide

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Speaker 5: healthcare for those children.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talk to me about healthcare, and then just talk

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Speaker 1: to me about what you're doing on a local level

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Speaker 1: for healthcare.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, we have no system that makes any

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Speaker 5: sense in this country. We spend twice as much as

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Speaker 5: the next country in terms of that, and yet we

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Speaker 5: rank what thirty eighth in maternal mortality rates. It's just

1267
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 5: a shame and it really comes home to press here.

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Speaker 5: We've got more people ensured than I think almost any

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Speaker 5: other state, and of course we're home to like the

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Speaker 5: Mayo Clinic. So these are just recognized as the best

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01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 5: healthcare system in the world, which is great if you

1272
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 5: can get in. And so what we've done is we

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01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 5: have Minnesota Care, which you know, folks can buy in

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Speaker 5: and need it. We expanded that to folks regardless of

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Speaker 5: their documentation status because once again, you know, the basic

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01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 5: human rights of being able to take care of folks

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Speaker 5: on These are folks that are here working in proceeds

1278
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 5: that they're waiting for a legal system that is again

1279
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 5: takes seven to nine years to get your asylum claim process.

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01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 5: Would have been nice if Congress would have passed the

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01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 5: legislation that would make that ninety days and put money

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Speaker 5: into it, but.

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Speaker 1: You know, Trump didn't want them to, so of course they.

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Speaker 5: Don't want to because they want to complain about this

1285
01:07:58,200 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 5: and these are in our communities. So I think for

1286
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 5: us here, what really is interesting about this Molly, it

1287
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 5: becomes harder and harder. What you know, we asked asking

1288
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 5: Republicans and those who don't look at this this way,

1289
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 5: is what's your complaint and what's the alternative? You know,

1290
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 5: where's this workforce going to come? And I think there's

1291
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 5: a real dynamic shift happening and we'll see if it

1292
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 5: happens fast enough. The business community. The business community understands

1293
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,919
Speaker 5: that we need to have immigration reform. The business community

1294
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 5: needs to believe and they know that we need childcare.

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Speaker 5: That's a big issue for parents that can't find working

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Speaker 5: out of the workforce. They get all these things, but

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Speaker 5: there since so conditioned that many of these chambers of

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01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 5: commerce are just they think it's the old Republican Party.

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Speaker 5: This is not where elected officials in the Republican Party

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Speaker 5: are at today. So I'm actually somewhat hopeful that we're

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Speaker 5: making the case that, look, not only can we take

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Speaker 5: care of people and do the right thing and these

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01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 5: progressive ideas about you should have health care and food

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Speaker 5: in a safe place to live, and you should be educated.

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Speaker 5: In the long run, that's how you grow the economy,

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Speaker 5: and I think in minnesota's starting to work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, that's a really good point. And Paul

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Speaker 1: Krugman had a really good piece on the idea that

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Speaker 1: maybe that this migrant served is actually maybe one of

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Speaker 1: the things that saved us from having a recession, which

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Speaker 1: is kind of an incredible idea. So talk to me

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Speaker 1: about what you are doing with the DGA to bring

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Speaker 1: this idea of abundance national a.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, and I'm really proud of the DGA. You

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Speaker 5: mentioned that you've got folks like Baby Pritzker, Gretchen Whitmer,

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Speaker 5: You've got, of course Gavin Newsom, but you've got folks

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Speaker 5: Roy Cooper, you got Basher Andy Basheer at in Kentucky.

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Speaker 5: And on Saturday, this last Saturday, I was at the

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Speaker 5: Democratic dinner in Topeka, Kansas with Democratic Governor Laura Kelly.

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Speaker 5: These ideas work everywhere, and I think one of the

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Speaker 5: things the DGA does is we're out there to make

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Speaker 5: the case that governors are the front lines of protection

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Speaker 5: on all of these things, certainly on reproductive care in

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Speaker 5: vitro and voting rights and protections of our children and

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Speaker 5: food and all this, and that as Congress becomes more

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01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 5: gridlock and paralyzed, it becomes more important than ever to

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Speaker 5: elect these governors. It's super inspirational. See Lord Kelly, Andy

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Speaker 5: Pasher win. But now we've got to win down in

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Speaker 5: North Carolina. And so what the DGA does is it

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01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 5: goes out there, it supports, and we're super successful. We've

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01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 5: defended twenty three of twenty four of our incumbent governors

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Speaker 5: over the last three cycles. This year, we have no

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Speaker 5: incomebent governors, but we've got as I said, in North Carolina.

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Speaker 5: After Rui Cooper's term limited, Jay Insley up in Washington State,

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01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 5: John Carney and Delaware, we had an open seat in

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Speaker 5: New Hampshire. The DGA goes out and helps these local candidates.

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01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 5: They know their best message, they know what stands, but

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Speaker 5: we raise the money, have some of the technical expertise

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01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 5: and try and provide the support to get them elected.

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Speaker 5: Because you said it, mind, you just want to start

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01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 5: comparing life expectancies, healthcare. Heck, compare happiness. They've got to think.

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Speaker 5: Happiness in Minnesota, by the way, usually ranked second in

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01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 5: this and I'm okay with that because we're behind Hawaii

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01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 5: in the happiest.

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Speaker 1: Right and you guys have some weather issues.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, COVID brought this to the front. It's statistically provable.

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01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 5: If you lived in a red state, your chances survived

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Speaker 5: I think COVID was greater.

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Speaker 1: Was lesser. If you lived in a blue state, your

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01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: chances of surviving COVID were greater.

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Speaker 5: You shoot me, Yeah, exactly right, and that these red

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01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 5: state governors put you that's exactly right. We're very proud. We're.

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Speaker 5: One of the things we had is we're one of

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Speaker 5: the ten states with the lowest death rates on that

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Speaker 5: and lo and behold, our economy recovered pastor and we

1356
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Speaker 5: had surpluses. So I think we're out there making the

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01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 5: case that if you want to see your personal life improve,

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Speaker 5: elect a democratic governor. So if your listeners, Molly, I'll

1359
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 5: put in a shameless plug for the DGA on that

1360
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 5: if they want more information on these great governors, and

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Speaker 5: trust me. Like in North Carolina with Josh Stein, he

1362
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 5: is literally running against the guy as central casting of

1363
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 5: a marble villain. This guy is demonized the survivors of

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01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 5: school shootings. He's called school teachers the most evil thing

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01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 5: on the planet. He said, when you're pregnant, it's not

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Speaker 5: your baby, it's all baby now just insanity.

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Speaker 1: So he doesn't think women should vote correct.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the guy is on every front. So if

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01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 5: they want more information on these this, if you want

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01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 5: to know where your impact makes a difference, these state

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Speaker 5: ride races make everything. We're able to codifire abortion rights,

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Speaker 5: were able to make sure that we're a trans sanctuary

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01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 5: state here in Minnesota. And be clear, I ran against

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Speaker 5: a guy who had the absolute opposite opinion and all that,

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01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 5: and in states where those type of guys won, life

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01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 5: is hell. Women's life is put at risk. The vice

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01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 5: president was out of here last week. For the first

1378
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 5: time in American history, is setting vice president or president

1379
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 5: stood in an abortion clinic. Abortion clinics are healthcare clinics,

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Speaker 5: by the way, that's what they're referred to, and stood

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01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 5: in there and talked to a young woman from Idaho

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01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 5: who had to travel from Idaho to Minneapolis figure out

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01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,799
Speaker 5: how to do that. Luckily she had the resources and everything.

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01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 5: But it's just unacceptable. Democratic governors protect that. So if

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Speaker 5: they want to text me here it is Molly, It's

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01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 5: Tim at three zero two zero one. And what they'll

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01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 5: do is get information on these races.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the things I've been really struck by

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Speaker 1: is the Medicare expansion. One of the things Democrats have

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Speaker 1: done when they've been in red states is they've been

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Speaker 1: able and again it depends on the state legislature, but

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Speaker 1: they've been able to pass these expansions. Explain to us

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Speaker 1: why it happens when they do that.

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Speaker 5: For example, and there's two things that are the most

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01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 5: despicable things in the world. Using Medicare expansion, using federal dollars.

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Speaker 5: And you know, many of the cases of Minnesota is

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01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 5: a payer state, we get far less back from the

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01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 5: federal government to give a lot of these red states

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01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 5: get an awful lot of federal dollars back. But in

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Speaker 5: the case of Medicare expansion, you're able to expand it

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Speaker 5: to more people, make the eligibility there. And from a

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01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 5: person's on the most basic level of this is it

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01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 5: means somebody who couldn't get access to affordable health care

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01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 5: does in the easiest way, and it comes with the

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Speaker 5: federal money that helps. You've got to put in a

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01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 5: little bit on state. But there's two things that I

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01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 5: find the most despicable thing in the world. They turn

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01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 5: this down, they being Republican governors, turn it down and

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Speaker 5: there's been a new program that is an absolute godsend

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Speaker 5: is the Summer EBT program, the Summer SNAP and I

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01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 5: believe it's fifteen of these states have turned it down. Now,

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Speaker 5: these are folks that my bed is is. I bet

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01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 5: in their businesses they took PPP loans for themselves. I

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01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 5: bet you, they take upsity payments. I bet you they

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01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 5: take other breaks, but on them. The governor of Nebraska

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01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 5: said this just creates dependency, and the governor of Iowa said,

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Speaker 5: we don't have hunger here, which you all know is crazy.

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Speaker 5: So I think tying back to this, having Roy Cooper

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01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 5: in North Carolina meant eight hundred thousand more North Carolinians

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Speaker 5: were able to access Medicare at affordable healthcare, which, again,

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01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 5: even if you're a cruel not caring about human beings

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01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 5: getting this, it means they're healthier, they spend less money

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01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 5: in the long run. At the end, more people are

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01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 5: able to work and take fewer days off work, and

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01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 5: your economy growth. When people are healthier, your economy does better.

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Speaker 5: So no, they turn it down, and it's because we

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01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,560
Speaker 5: don't want the iman. You know, they don't want socialism.

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Speaker 5: It's their message. It is the most despicable and those

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01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 5: two programs the most damaging things they can do. But

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01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 5: it apparently appeals to their base. I don't know, I

1431
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 5: don't get it.

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01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 1: Just cruel, right, and it's also I mean more likely

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01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: the base doesn't know that it's available to them, right,

1434
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: because nobody is going.

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Speaker 5: To turn down good point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and nobody's going to turn that down. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, they when they turn this money down, it's

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Speaker 1: not like they get the money first, so they just don't.

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01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 5: Get No, they don't get it, and then apparently they

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01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,560
Speaker 5: don't care. That's what this thing with the summary BD program.

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01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 5: You know, these are the worst time for kids in

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01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 5: hunger is the weekends and breaks, as you will, well,

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01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 5: that's why they have to pack, backpack, send food home.

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01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 5: We were at school last year before we were you know,

1445
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 5: got through our school meals program, and there's a teacher

1446
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 5: talking about that she's had some of her children eating

1447
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 5: crayon because they couldn't get enough. They didn't know, and

1448
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 5: people are assuming, oh, there's there's charity things out there. Whatever.

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01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 5: These are parents that are just trying to make ends meet,

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01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 5: working hard, and it's hard enough to navigate government when

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01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 5: you're not in that situation your child's hungry, or you're

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01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 5: worrying about homelessness or whatever. I just the cruelness of

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01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 5: it is what really strikes me. And I'll tell you

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01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 5: I'm going to make one more plug for what I

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01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 5: would encourage states to do and elect democratic governors. During

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01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 5: the pandemic, the federal government at the child tax credit,

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01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 5: we saw the big reduction in childhood poverty in our

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Speaker 5: nation's history. Well, we took that and put it on steroids.

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Speaker 5: In Minnesota, we have the most aggressive and generous child

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Speaker 5: tax credit, seventeen hundred and fifty dollars every child, no

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01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 5: limit on that. Whether you have to file taxes or not,

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Speaker 5: you get that. We have seen over three hundred thousand

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01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 5: children qualified. We have returned four hundred million dollars. And

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Speaker 5: what it basically assures is in those families for the

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Speaker 5: first time, they have a guaranteed income source to take

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Speaker 5: care of those children. It is estimated by all measures

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Speaker 5: that that will reduce Minnesota's childhood poverty rate by a third.

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Speaker 5: We're already the third lowest in the country. We will

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01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 5: be by far the lowest of childhood poverty in the country.

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Speaker 5: And again, what I would say is they'll go to school,

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Speaker 5: they'll have good childcare, their parents will pay femin medically.

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Speaker 5: But imagine that mom and dad can take time off

1473
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 5: after they have the baby to bond with that child.

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01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 5: We're going to have a better, healthier, well qualified workforce

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01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 5: for jobs of the future. So I come back to

1476
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 5: this again, Even if you don't want to add the

1477
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 5: humanity side of doing this, it's just smart to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus fundamentally, you know, I spend all day talking

1479
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: about politics, and the thing that I'm struck by is

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01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: that Republicans have terrible policies. Yes, Like there's just not

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01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: a single policy where you're like, oh, that's actually kind

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01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: of God.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I don't know, maybe it's we're bad at

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01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 5: this year listeners saying this too. For God's sakes, how

1485
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 5: do you argue against these things that were making the

1486
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 5: case and in the long run, you can save money,

1487
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 5: you can have a better economy. Look, if if their

1488
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 5: stuff worked, I don't disagree with them because they're Republicans.

1489
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 5: I disagree because their ideas don't work and they're weird.

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01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 5: In a lot of cases, you think it you go

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01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 5: was that it worked. I don't have an ideological dog

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01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 5: in the fight that I'm going to ram this thing

1493
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 5: through just because I like it. On some things, I am,

1494
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 5: but none of the big ones. On most of them,

1495
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 5: we just wanted to work and they don't really have

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01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 5: a response to it. Hell, they're fighting here. One of

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01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 5: the things Minnesota, you know, we're proud we set troops

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Speaker 5: to defend the nation, you know, but we had a

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Speaker 5: flag year that was pretty racist. It showed you know,

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Speaker 5: indigenous being driven out. You know, it's manifest destiny time,

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01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 5: and they did it. So we got a new flag

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01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 5: that included everybody. But oh, you'd have thought the world

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Speaker 5: ended for Republicans. Now that's their big thing. They need

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01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,720
Speaker 5: to be elected this year so they can overturn the

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01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,719
Speaker 5: flag and put back up the racist eighteen hundred flag.

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01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 5: That's the whole we can party right now. It's like

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Speaker 5: a ven diagram of you know, Gadson play some of that.

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Speaker 5: I don't get it, but I think what we need

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01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 5: to do, we need to do a better job of

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Speaker 5: telling people. Look, I'm a regular dude who hates politics.

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Speaker 5: If you're that guy that's out there, well, here's how

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01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 5: that's going to save you money. Here's how this's going

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Speaker 5: to do this. Oh and by the way, we've got

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Speaker 5: background checks and you know, red flag laws around the guns,

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Speaker 5: but you can still own a firearm, no problem. We

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Speaker 5: just don't want you shooting kids in our schools, and

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Speaker 5: we're going to try new things so you don't. It's

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Speaker 5: really not that controversial. And I don't think we've done

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Speaker 5: a great job. Apparently we haven't. My God, my wife.

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Speaker 5: My wife and I are public school teachers, and she said,

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01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 5: we don't need standardized testing to show we're failing. They're

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01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 5: still not voting for us on these things, which I

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Speaker 5: think we have to do a better job of educating.

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Speaker 1: All right, you can be her governor next. Thank you governor.

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Speaker 5: Yes, thanks Bali, you're the best.

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Speaker 1: No moment full Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 5: By John Fast.

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Speaker 4: I feel like previously the derangement syndromes take a little

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01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 4: while to develop, but Walls derangement syndrome went zero to

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Speaker 4: one hundred in about two minutes.

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Speaker 1: I think we should have expected walls derangement syndrome. I

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01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: think we should have been waiting for walls derangement syndrome.

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Speaker 1: Turns out that Republicans are very, very, very very mad

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Speaker 1: about walls. I just want to point out, like, this

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Speaker 1: is a man who carved butter into the shape of

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Speaker 1: a school bus. Okay, he's a very sort of folksy

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Speaker 1: Midwestern guy, and the right wants you to believe he's

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Speaker 1: a member of Antifa.

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Speaker 5: Would you say he's driving them up the walls?

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Speaker 1: Thank you, friend, He's not going to build the walls.

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Speaker 4: He's not.

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01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: Governor Walls most famous for giving poor kids free breakfast.

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01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: We did a great interview with him a couple months ago.

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01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 5: Find it they're very mad that he gave students tampons.

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01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gave students tampons. He is a really great educator.

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01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: He is a really great serviceman. I think he's a

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01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: really good candidate who connects with the Middle West. So online, right,

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Speaker 1: not very happy thoughts, prayers, whatever. And as a special,

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Speaker 1: fancy exclusive bonus for those of you who will continue listening,

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Speaker 1: we are re airing my famous interview with Tim Walls

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01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: where he and I really became friends. Tim Walls is

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Speaker 1: the governor of Minnesota and the presumptive Democratic vice presidential nominee.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:44,000
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