WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 241 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:03.080 Also media. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.720 Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.440 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.720 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.480 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.040 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.000 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:22.759 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:24.760 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.440 Welcome to it could happen here, a show that is 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:35.040 sometimes about surveillance, digital privacy, in all the ways that 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:37.760 little black rectangle you keep in your pocket could be 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:42.280 used against you. I'm Garrison Davis. Today I am joined 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:47.160 by Cooper Quentin, a security researcher and senior public interest 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.760 technologist at the EFF or the Electronic Frontier Foundation. 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.880 Cooper, Hello, Hey, Garris, I'm happy to be here again. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:55.959 Yes, always happy to have you on. 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.520 And you will be especially useful today because we're going 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.120 to be talking about geo fencing because last week the 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:07.680 Supreme Court ruled that geofencing qualifies as a search under 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.200 the Fourth Amendment. Now, before we get into what that 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:12.240 means and why it's important, all. 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.120 Very normal terms explicitly and understands. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:17.520 Before we do that, let's start to define some of 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:22.600 our terms here, starting off with what is geo fencing. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:27.960 Yeah, So the geofence warrants, which are what this case 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:33.080 is about, are warrants to a tech company, usually Google, 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:38.720 that say, give us all of the identity account ideas 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:44.240 that had phones in this set of geographic coordinates and 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.760 this time period. So they send that to Google. Google 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:52.480 sends back a list of all of the accounts they know. 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:56.720 I'm usually anonymized at first, but that were in that 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.720 you know, geographic square from you know, I'm a to 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:01.920 time be This. 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:04.040 Is actually not something that Google does anymore. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.800 They've recently taken steps to no longer technically be able 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.880 to respond to these warrants, which is a rare w 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:09.680 for Google. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.520 But that is a geofence warrant. That's what's at the 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:13.040 heart of. 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.120 That, Yeah, I mean, And the goal is essentially to 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:22.040 identify what phones and by extension, which people were present 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.600 around the time a crime was committed to narrow down 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.120 a suspect from a very large pool of just random 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:29.200 people in an area. 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:31.840 Yes, exactly exactly. 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.200 So there's a couple of ways you can think about this, right, 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.639 if there was a protest and you want us to 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.080 know their identities of all the protesters, you could get 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.640 a geofence warrant for the area of that protest for 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.320 the time of the protest. Or if there was a 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:48.400 bank robbery which happens here, right, you get a geofence 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:52.480 warrant for two locations you think the bank robber might 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.680 have been in, and then you are able to narrow 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.280 it down from the you know which identities show up 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.639 in both places, right, and those that's your list of 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:02.920 primary suspects. 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.240 So the reason why we're talking about this today is 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:08.440 because on Monday, June twenty ninth, in a six' to three, 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.560 ruling The Supreme court found that police getting access to 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:15.920 location data through a geofence does constitute a quote unquote 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:20.000 search under The Fourth. Amendment and this this finding could 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.240 have really big impacts on digital privacy. Rights the fact 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:26.080 that geofencing is A Fourth amendment search means that the 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:31.240 practice of geofencing is subject To Fourth amen restrictions and. Protections, 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:36.080 now there's also been some, people i, think maybe exaggerating 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.400 certain aspects of this, ruling because The court did not 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:43.360 rule that geofence warrants are themselves, unreasonable just like in. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.960 General that's, Right that question is still is still going 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.760 to be determined by The Fourth. Circuit but what the 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:51.960 court did find here also should not be minimized or 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.480 it also is pretty. Significant to quote from the majority, 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.800 quote an individual has a reasonable expectation of privacy in 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.800 records about his self, phones, location and police intrude on 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:07.000 that constitutionally protected interest when they demand the, information even 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.200 though for only a limited time and from a third 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.640 party tech company. Unquote, well we'll get into some of 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.240 what that's referencing in terms of like third party tech companies. 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:20.920 Later as you, mentioned this case does revolve around a bank, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.400 robbery AND i want to get into some of the 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.880 context of this because it also will help understand sort 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:32.080 of the ongoing case regarding the specific geofense warrant that was. Used, 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:36.080 so in twenty, nineteen someone made off with almost two 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.800 hundred thousand dollars from a credit union and this suspect 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.920 was seen on their phone prior to the. Robbery so 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.200 police Asked google to hand over the location data for 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.559 all cell phones or the devices in a one hundred 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.360 and fifty meters radius around the bank within an hour 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:54.599 of that. Robbery nineteen anonymous users were first. Identified police 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.120 then narrow that down to nine users who they got 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.200 more information from From. Google they tracked their location for 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:04.120 a longer period of time before police then requested personally 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.760 identifying information on three, users which they then used to 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:12.039 arrest the. Suspect so the suspect eventually pleaded, guilty but 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.720 it was like a conditional plate because they were still 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:20.040 challenging the evidence that was obtained through the geofense, warrant 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:25.240 citing A Fourth amendment violation arguing that the warrant authorizing 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.680 the location data search was, invalid and this claim made 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:31.440 its way through the district, court to the appeals court 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:35.400 to The Supreme, Court and we'll get into that in a. 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:40.120 Bit you already laid out some of the details of 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.520 the specific like geofense warrant that was. Used it has 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:47.679 this three step. Process first this big, pool then a smaller, 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:52.320 pool and then personal identifying information on the smallest. Pool 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.840 one thing that is really interesting to me is that 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:59.520 the process for setting up this warrant was set up 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.240 with the help Of. Google they like worked together to 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:05.160 make this process back when this was still like an 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:09.400 emerging investigative avenue like, five, six seven years. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:10.720 Ago, yeah that's. 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:15.560 Right and, also as you've, Mentioned google's location history feature 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:20.520 operates differently now the information that is being collected is 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:24.359 stored on the user's. Phone, yeah they don't have the 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.400 same type of access that they had back in twenty 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:28.640 nineteen in which this case. 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:29.719 Emerges that's. 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.080 Right they are no longer able to respond to geofense, 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.680 warrants which is. Great this does not mean they can't 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:36.520 respond to other types of, warrants and this doesn't mean 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:38.279 that other companies won't respond to offense. 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:39.919 Warrants, YEAH i. 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:41.240 Guess do you want to discuss a few of the 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.520 different ways in which location data is? 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.239 Collected, yeah. 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.479 Certainly so there's there's a couple of. Ways, LET'S i 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.800 guess sandbox this entirely just to cell phone location because 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.080 we don't want to go off on attention about licensed 0:06:55.080 --> 0:07:00.400 plate readers or other no tracking. Mechanisms but one of 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.480 the big ways that that people have been that's kind 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:07.839 of been on people's minds lately is advertising location. Data 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.800 so this is like the product, weblock which is owned 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:15.200 by this, company Pen, link WHICH i recently bought a 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.200 contract with and several other force law enforcement agency to 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.240 buy contract. With The Citizen lab just put out a 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:22.280 pretty great report about. 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.080 Them but the way that they get their. 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:30.040 Data is through a combination of advertising APIs from. Applications, 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.840 basically so when an application on their phone wants to 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.920 show AN, ad first it sends a request to what's 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:41.680 called a real time bidding, database and it sends a 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.520 request with a unique idea for your phone called a 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:48.800 mobile AD id or, made and some information about you 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:53.720 which can include your. Location and then, companies any random, 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.640 Company you OR i could set up a company to 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:59.240 sit up these real time bidding centers and just kind 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.360 of gather all the data and never make any bids 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.000 or that, data never spend any, money just gather all 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:09.320 that data of pairing people's mobile advertising idies whilst they're location. 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.680 Information and this is exactly what weblock. Does so what 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:16.280 they do is they sell this information to. Police police 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:20.400 can then you, know buy access to this. Information and 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.360 this is another thing that gets confused with geofencing a, 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.280 lot but it's a different type of. Geofencing they can 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.280 sort of draw a circle around a specific area and 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.960 weblock will show them all of the information they have 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.880 about phones that have been in that area recently or 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:38.000 during a specific time. 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.280 Period and that's not a geofence. 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:46.560 Warrant that is a geofence search of a, database which 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.040 which is essentially the same Thing google is doing on 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.200 the back. End but there's no warrant involved in this. 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.320 Case but that's a very that's a very common method of. 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:56.400 Tracking the other, way the other way that they get 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:00.760 data is just through code that they be in certain 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.280 ad libraries that will get them that data sort of 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:07.040 the same way about without going through the real time bidding. 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:10.959 Process but it's still data being given to. 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:14.320 Them basically by ad libraries that they pay a bit 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.280 of money for to the ad company or. 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:20.000 Whatever in a little, bit we'll discuss some of the 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.920 implications of The Supreme court's, findings specifically all like the 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.920 third party. Doctrine but do you think that there's a 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.280 possibility that the ruling in this case might be able 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:34.600 to be used to put up challenges towards something like 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:36.319 advertising location. 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:36.880 Collection. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:38.920 Yeah, Again i'm not a. 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:43.560 Lawyer legal strategy is quite outside my general domain of, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:48.560 expertise but it certainly seems to me like there should 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:49.960 be an opening, here. 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:54.160 The big loophole that law enforcement has been. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.760 Exploiting, wellefully we call it the data broker, loophole, Right, 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.959 yeah has been a the problem for a. While there 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.720 was a bill called The Fourth Amendment Is not For Sale. 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.880 Act it passed The house and then died in The. Senate, 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.559 unfortunately it was proposed By Senator Ron wyden in twenty twenty. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:16.920 One that wasn't attempt to close this. Loophole but given 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:21.160 the wording of the of the opinion, here you, know 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:26.400 specifically around people's location data being very very much private, 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.440 data you, KNOW i think that there's a reasonable argument 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:32.559 to bring a case to The Supreme court about the sale. 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.360 Specifically of cellular location. 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.559 Data, yeah because they did rule. 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.160 That the third party doctrine which we can get into 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.320 does not apply to cellular location. Data so THAT'S i, 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.040 MEAN i think that's a pretty big point in favor 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.160 of shutting down the loophole for location, data for it 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:51.760 would not shut down the loophole for other. 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.320 Data but, yeah it is frustrating how we have to 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.120 kind of take this one step at a, time and 0:10:58.160 --> 0:10:59.960 that's that is a sort of frustration that actually The 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:00.880 Supreme court. 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.520 Voiced, yeah reformism is Rough. 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:07.400 Man, this like case by case app by app, approach 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:22.400 does not actually make very much. Sense before we get into, 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:28.080 that let's go back to the bank robbers initial initial 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:32.400 challenge based on The Fourth. Amendment so a district court 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:34.959 did agree that the search violent of The Fourth, amendment 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.000 but it did not actually block the data from being 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:40.120 permitted as, evidence because the court found that the police 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:43.640 officer's reliance on the data was not quote unquote objectively, 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:48.880 unreasonable allowing the quote good faith exemption to the exclusionary rule. 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:53.080 Unquote this is basically because the technology was still new 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.840 and because there was few leads in this, case the 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.679 district court found that the officer's use of this was 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:05.760 not necessarily, unreasonable so they have this good faith, exemption 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:10.200 which which could become a problem later or might, not we'll. 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:10.640 See. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.520 Now this was appealed to The Fourth, circuit who went 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:16.920 back and forth a, bit initially ruling to one that 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.040 the geofense did not even qualify as a, search so 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.160 a warrant wasn't needed in the first. Place, now one 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.200 judge dissented from, this arguing that the warrant issued was 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.719 quote so lacking in particularity and probable cause that it 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:32.760 was invalid. Unquote, now this too could become important later. 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:36.520 On the Full Fourth circuit penalryheard the case, again but 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.520 were divided seven to, seven half ruling the warrant violated 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.959 The Fourth, amendment but most justices still found that the 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:49.199 exclusionary rules good faith exception applied in this, case and 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.679 that then leads us back to the Supreame, court and 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.800 the ruling Last monday only actually covers The Fourth amendment 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.120 aspect of the. Case they're not ruling on the good faith. 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.839 Exemption and the fourth question itself is split into two. 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.439 Issues did the police conduct a search under The Fourth 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:05.120 amendment by. 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:06.240 Acquiring location data From? 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:10.880 Google and, second did the multi step geofense warrant issued 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.440 in this? Case did that warrant make this search? Unreasonable, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.320 now the court only answered this first question did it 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:21.920 actually qualify as a, search and handed off the second 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.120 part of the question to The Fourth Circuit court Of, 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.720 appeals who will then also rule on the good faith 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:33.800 exemption aspect of this. Case to quote the majority, quote 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.440 we leave it to The court Of. Appeals the further question, 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.600 whether given the warrant, issued the search here was, reasonable 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.440 meaning that each of its steps was properly described with 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.920 particularity and found to be supported by probable cause, unquote 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:50.000 just as taking the rights out instructions for The Fourth, 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.480 circuit most of which relate just to The Fourth amendment, 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.000 itself saying that The Fourth amendment protect against qute, unquote 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:59.960 the unreasonable search and seizures of, persons, houses, papers and affec, 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.080 x and requires that warrants may only be issued upon 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.280 probable cause and must particularly describe quote the place to 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.480 be searched and the persons or things to be seized. 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:12.839 Unquote and this particularly requirement's going to be a big 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:16.160 part of this of this case going, forward because to 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.640 issue a, warrant a judge must determine if there's quote 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.240 unquote fair probability that the evidence of a crime would be, 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.480 found and that the search is of an appropriate. Scope 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:28.600 this is quoting from the majority again quote that it's 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.320 carefully tailored to its justifications and will not take on 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:36.360 the character of the wide ranging exploratory searches that the 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.760 framers intended to prohibit. Unquote and this is the specific 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.600 key issue with these geofense, warrants the fact that they 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:46.240 cast this large dragnet over just everyone in a certain 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:47.320 area at a certain. 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:48.240 Time that's. 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:54.280 Right you're basically, searching you, know potentially hundred is potentially 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:58.520 thousands of, people right if you imagine a geofense warrant 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:03.400 In downpenn meant at or, something right, like you're treating 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.960 everyone as a suspect right off the. Bat and THAT'S i, 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:09.880 mean that's the problem with any any sort of mass, 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:13.520 surveillance any sort of dragging that. Surveillance but that's exactly 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:15.920 what this. Is and SO i, mean this is this 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.480 is a good ruling by The Supreme. Court, Right it's not, 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.760 perfect but it's surprisingly good given This supreme. 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.560 Courtance, now a lot of this ruling is based on 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.400 a previous, ruling where it's built on a previous ruling 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:34.080 from twenty, eighteen this case Called carpenter. V United, states 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.960 which was also a very important ruling that have affected 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.880 the way police can gain access to cell phone location 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.720 history through cell site. 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:51.400 Towers, yeah so So carvener ruled that police required them 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:56.200 weren't to get cell site location, information specifically historic cell 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:01.760 site location INFORMATION csli is the recording for THAT csli 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.200 is basically the police go to a phone company and 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:10.280 say tell us who was connected to these towers at this? 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.720 Time, right tell us what towers this phone connected? 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:17.640 To and the core rule that that was essentially equivalent 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:21.840 to putting a ankle monitor was their specific. Language yeah 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.640 one everybody in THE, us right that that was that 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.480 find ring location. Data and so they ruled that you 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.200 needed a warrant to get that location, data which was 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.760 a really excellent. Ruling this case was brought to The 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:39.880 court on the basis of That Carpenter versus The United states, 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:44.760 ruling and this reaffirmed and. Expanded the big difference was 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:48.680 that the information That bloonbardment had gotten from the phone 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.680 companies in this case covered a larger amount of, people 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:56.240 but The chattree case covered a much smaller area and 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.040 a much smaller amount of. People but The court decided 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.400 that this ruling still applied even in the smaller, case 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:05.120 which is. Great it's you, know really it's it's narrowing it, down, 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:06.720 right which is how The Supreme court. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.480 Works. Right you get a broad ruling that then. 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.440 Sort of exceptions to that, rule and like you, know 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.840 the limits of that end up being, tested which brings 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:16.399 us back to what we were saying, Before, Right, so 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.320 like the next. THING i think the next thing to 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.879 test is does this that's the spring POINT i think 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:25.760 this ruling applies to purchased. Data, yeah it seems like 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.520 maybe they hinted that a little, bit but it's you, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.200 know it won't be clear until somebody actually brings that 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:31.920 case to The Supreme. 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:36.840 Court one of the most promising sentences in the ruling, is, 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.840 quote a new technology should not transform what individuals had 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.800 reasonably thought they could withhold from the. Government, yeah AND 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.760 i mean that sort of reasoning, Then and there's there's 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.080 actually a lot of it throughout the majorities of. Ruling 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:51.639 but like there's there's a lot of sentences like that 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.119 that could that could be really really useful going. Forward, 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.399 Yeah and like you, know a carpenter was itself based 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.520 on another surveillance case called The United states Versus, jones 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.000 which covered another method of tracking physical location on, movements 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.639 and this was through using A gps to monitor a, vehicle, 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.520 Right and that was a five four, ruling so very. 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:14.280 Close but in that, case the court found THAT gps 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.960 tracking does qualify as The Fourth amendment search because quote, 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.119 unquote individuals have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:25.119 whole of their physical, movements, Right and essentially because of 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:29.399 how difficult it was to at the time secretly monitor 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.680 and track the movements of a, vehicle including on and 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:36.720 off public, roads so including on private. Roads, yep it 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.399 was then reasonable to expect a certain level of privacy 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.960 because of how difficult this. Was but upon the proliferation 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.440 OF gps, trackers the ease in which this type of 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.639 government surveillance could be, achieved you, know changed. Dramatically and 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.760 that's the context in Which Justice keigan is writing this 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.480 sentence that a new technology to not transform what individuals 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.440 had reasonably thought they could withhold from the. 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:00.320 Government, yeah that's, Right AND i MEAN i think that 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.480 that's a that's a really important sense for a lot of. 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:02.800 Things. 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.120 Right that's an important sentence for the fight against liceless 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.959 slate readers and And block and the you, know other 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:14.520 companies in that. Industry that's an important sentence for cellular location. 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.480 Information. Right like this is a great, ruling, right but 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:18.320 it leaves open. 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.480 The whole, issue LIKE i was, saying of you, know 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:24.160 being able to buy surveillance, information, right and like that's 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:28.320 what enables licensed plate, Readers that's what enables companies that 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:32.040 surveil social. Media that's what enables tools like weblock that 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:36.520 sell location information from ad, tech, Right and it does 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.760 seem like they are they are hinting that maybe they you, 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.119 know that they are ready to rule on. That to, 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:45.679 me it's a very it's it's a very self apparent, 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:49.680 argument right that that just because locally bought something doesn't 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:51.440 mean they should get around the. 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.320 Warrant the terrible part of this is, that you, know 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:55.119 we will. 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.920 Probably have to argue in technology in its own rights 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:04.240 unless you, know we had a Functioning congress and. 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:07.720 Well they were able to pass very Popular let's not 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:11.520 get too. Ridiculous let's not, Right let's keep things grounded 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:12.120 in reality. 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.720 Here, yeah, Yeah i'm Gonna i'm gonna hope for more 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:17.040 realistic goals like totally. 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.080 Anarchy, NO i mean, absolutely it would be great to 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:22.840 see some of this stuff just be. Enshrined but there 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:24.639 is there's a lot to look forward to considering this, 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:26.720 ruling AND i think to that, point before we, close 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:29.440 let's talk about the third party doctrine, specifically what is 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:30.320 the third party? 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.920 Doctrine so the third party doctrine is a doctrine in 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:38.760 THE us law that states that people don't have a 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:44.800 reasonable expectation of privacy in information that they've given to 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:48.320 a third, party such as a phone company or a 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:49.600 bank or a tech. 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:54.439 Company. Yeah, essentially this is how historically law. 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:59.320 Enforcement has gotten information from bone companies or from, banks et. 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:03.560 Cetera are tech companies without or. Warrant and the heart 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:04.639 of this ruling is that. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:09.920 The justice has said that cellular location data being the 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.800 equivalent total surveillance to that of an inkle. 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:16.159 Monitor, yeah the third party doctrine does not apply to 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:18.159 cellular location. 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.639 Data, yeah, because like the third party doction was set 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.560 up specifically in reference, to like the types of financial 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.000 information that you will hand over to a, bank right 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.240 to do business at the, bank or by dialing a 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.760 phone number the phone company that knows what the phone number. Is, 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:37.440 right like those from the specific instances that established third party, 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.840 doctrine and a third production was not applied In carpenter. V, 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:44.240 us and So kagan wrote that for the very same 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:47.200 reasons it should not be applied to location history from tech, 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:51.200 companies and even more, specifically because the types of information 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.760 that location history From google had access to was even 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.560 more intimate and fine tuned than what you could get 0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:58.520 from just picking a cell. 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:02.879 Tower that's, right because the location information From google is 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:05.840 based on not only YOUR, TPS i mean it is 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:09.200 YOUR gps, location which is fairly, accurate but also the 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:13.600 like triangulations of your location From Wi fi devices And 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:17.800 bluetooth devices around. You whereas the location you get FROM, 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:22.440 csli which was what was at issue In, carpenter is 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.480 going to depend on how dense. 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.720 Cell towers are in the area you're, in because it's 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.760 just mathetical equation of like what your signal. 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:33.600 Strength is to your nearest free cell, towers and you 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:38.080 can kind of triangulate somebody to a broader area based on. That. 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.560 Well AND i, mean and location history from From google 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:44.960 at this point was you, know tracking people's movements like 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:48.720 every two. Minutes, yeah and could operate on a longitude 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.960 and latitudes like they could not only just figure out 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:53.199 where you were on a, map but if you were 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.800 in a, building what floor you were on that building 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.000 like much a much a much more fine tuned to look. 0:22:58.200 --> 0:22:59.200 Right altitude as. 0:22:59.200 --> 0:22:59.400 Well. 0:22:59.520 --> 0:22:59.720 Yeah. 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:03.280 Yeah part of What carpenter found was that cell phone 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:07.639 location information is quote unquote quantitatively different from telephone numbers 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:12.040 and bank. Records, yes and so because of that, finding 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:16.399 they applied that same logic to this. Case AND i 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:19.119 want to read through kind of two paragraphs that is 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:23.520 similar to the line about how you know people's expectation 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:26.600 of privacy should not be changed because of technological. DEVELOPMENTS 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:29.200 i think there's two lines here that that could become 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:32.440 really important going forward in terms of how we understand 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:37.480 like even just the notion of digital. Privacy, quote cell 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:40.520 phone location information is not truly shared as one normally 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:43.560 understands the, term because cell phones and the services they 0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:46.359 provide are such a pervasive and insistent part of daily, 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.880 life indispensable to participation in modern, society that a person 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.520 could hardly help but generate a trail of location data 0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:56.120 in no meaningful. Sense the court, thought does that mean 0:23:56.400 --> 0:24:00.800 the person voluntarily exposes to any third party a comprehensive 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:02.199 dossier of his physical? 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:03.399 Movements, yeah so. 0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:05.760 That's just as keke and kind of combining the analysis 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.920 for this specific case with the analysis For. Carpenter and 0:24:09.080 --> 0:24:12.600 then she goes on to, write, quote the government's app 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:15.840 by app feature by future method of Granting Fourth amendment 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:19.880 protections misapprehends the very nature of modern cell phone. Use 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:23.280 pretty much everything a person does on a smartphone requires 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:26.000 some kind of opt. In the point of carrying cell 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.280 phones is to use what's on, them As carpenter, said 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:31.280 to use the apps and the services they. Provide that 0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.920 is what has become a pervasive and, insistent even indispensable 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:37.760 part of daily. Life and so that is What carpenter 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:39.480 insulated from the third party. 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:41.199 Doctrine, yeah my. 0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:43.960 Short term memory is, Terrible So i've forgotten the exact, 0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:46.920 wording but the part where she's addressing how piecemeal it, is, 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:49.840 right and how like She's, yeah this applies to all, 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:52.359 Apps this applies to all uses of this location. 0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:55.960 Data never shall this be subject to the third party, doctrin. 0:24:56.520 --> 0:25:01.720 RIGHT i think that that is pretty damning or companies 0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:04.560 that are currently selling THE stata too law ENCORES i 0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:05.840 should be pretty damning. 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:10.480 Anyway, yeah and like the idea that through simply using these, 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:13.920 devices which are now necessary from our, life using these 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:17.080 does not mean that we're voluntarily giving this data over 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.080 to companies and by, extension the. Government they don't just 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:22.320 have free access to it because we are using the 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.680 things that are necessary for daily. Life if they want 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:26.800 access to, it they have to go through the proper 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.680 channels which are laid out in The Fourth. Amendment, yes 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:32.399 you have to get a warrant at, Least, yes and 0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:35.000 so to close talk about kind of what this could 0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.520 mean going, forward, right because the question of whether the 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:41.840 particular geofense weren't used in this bank robbery, case if 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:44.240 that was reasonable or, unreasonable now goes to The Fourth, 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:46.800 circuit who will determine if probable cause was established to 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.080 support the scope of the, search and if the warrant 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:52.880 satisfied the particularity. Requirements considering the fact that it cast 0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:55.840 a broad dragnet over a whole area rather than being you, 0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:58.560 know fine tuned to a specific suspect or even a 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:03.040 group of. Suspects kagan wrote of the, warrant, quote how 0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:07.240 the officers would make their choices at the second and third, 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:11.399 steps how they would pick the user's subject to more intense, 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:15.840 Scrutiny the warrant said very, little. Unquote this is kind 0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:18.280 of part of like the instructions in which they are 0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:23.120 writing to The Fourth. Circuit, now the, suspect the bank 0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:26.760 robber suspect compared the geofense warrant to a quote unquote 0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:31.280 unconstitutional general warrant lacking and probable, cause with steps two 0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:34.080 and three of the warrant leaving quote too much authority 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:37.720 to police officers and too little to the magistrate. Unquote 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:39.960 so what that's saying is that in this like three step, 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:44.040 warrant when the police are able to determine who in 0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:46.720 the broad pool of people caught in the drag net 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:50.440 who to investigate, further that choice was just up to police. 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:52.879 Officers that question was not laid out in front of a. 0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:55.040 JUDGE a judge did not authorize. 0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:55.359 That aspect of the. 0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:57.840 Search that was just up to the discretion of. Officers 0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:01.160 that is part of his argument that this was a constitutional. Violation, 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:04.720 now of course that's not the government's, tick. Right the 0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:08.840 government claims that the information was quote unquote particularized information 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:12.080 From google's, database based on probable cause to believe That 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:14.520 google had the information that would help solve a. Crime 0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:17.879 they also argue that the discretion given to officers in 0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.159 the execution of steps two and three of the warrant 0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:23.879 fell within the bounds of. Reasonableness, so going, forward when 0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:28.600 The Fourth circuit rules on the reasonableness or unreasonableness of this, 0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:32.280 warrant they will also consider what The District court and 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:34.920 The Fourth circuit themselves have previously ruled on they will 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:36.879 reconsider the quote unquote good faith. 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:41.920 Exemption, yeah the good face exception is a doctrine in 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:45.920 THE us law that allows, generally evidence obtained without a 0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:50.800 warrant is an admissible in. Court the good faith exception 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:55.639 allows for evidence which was obtained with a faulty warrant 0:27:56.000 --> 0:28:00.480 where the law enforcement agents had reasonable constable believe that 0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:03.960 it was a valid warrant and they they thought they 0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:06.640 were obtaining a lot of evidence would have in good 0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:10.400 faith with a valid, warrant that that evidence can still 0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:14.600 be admissible in court even if the warrant is found 0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.280 to be. Invalid so that's what they're that's what they'll 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:18.919 be evaluating in this. Case and THEN i, mean that's 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:21.400 what they've already decided, on and we'll have to decide on. Again, 0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:25.040 yeah even if this warrant is invalid or even if 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.960 this data is, invalid because the second and third step 0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:32.080 didn't have a warrant associated with, them and this still 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:36.080 be admissible in his case under good base. 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.120 Exception and The Supreme court does have like instructions for 0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:42.160 how how they want the force circuits to reevaluate that, 0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:44.880 question knowing that they've already ruled on it, before but 0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:48.080 they are instructing them based, on you, know the legal 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:51.320 opinion that is outlined in the, majority that they do 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:55.080 have to reapproach this question with these new insights from 0:28:55.120 --> 0:29:07.880 The Supreme. Court there, is you, know evidence that rulings 0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:11.480 like this have impacted the way police operates, surveillance specifically 0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:13.840 by collecting information from like cell. Towers you are kind 0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:18.120 of the the expert in cell site, simulators and THERE'S 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.080 i think reason to believe that The carpenter ruling also 0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:23.360 affected the way that cell site simulators were, used just 0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:25.880 by it not being the particular focus of that, ruling 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:27.840 if you want to kind of as a very ending, 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.400 note kind of discussed the rayhunter, project and you know 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:33.080 how some previous rulings have like impacted the way that 0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:36.360 that type of surveillance has kind of fallen out of. 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:37.560 Fashion, yeah for. 0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:42.400 Sure SO solfi simulator is also known as stingrays or. 0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:46.880 Mccatchers these are face cell towers that police set up 0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:51.840 to locate a specific person's cell phone OR i should 0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:54.440 say a specific cell phone which is often associated with 0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:55.720 a specific person with. 0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:59.280 A very, fine granular level of. 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:02.320 Detail at the FF i and some of my colleagues 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:06.120 have created a product called Rat hunter to get an 0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:10.080 idea of how often cell side simulators were. 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:11.400 Being used in THE. 0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:16.480 Us, specifically what we were concerned about was that law 0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:21.280 enforcement could use a cell side simulator to spy on 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:26.800 and identify the people present At First amendment protected, Activities 0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:29.760 so find out who is at a, protest find out 0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:31.920 who is going to an abortion, clinic find out who 0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:33.800 is showing up at a. 0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:37.680 Mosque, Right so that was the big concern we, had. 0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.240 Was that they were being used for that instead of 0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:44.680 or what police said they were using them, for which 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:49.800 is man punts, basically or you, know identifying that somebody 0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:52.960 is in a specific location BEFORE spat team does a 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:56.960 raid on that. House so for the last year or, 0:30:57.040 --> 0:31:00.880 so we've had hundreds of people all over the country 0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:05.280 bringing these devices around with them to protests and just you, 0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:09.600 know as they go about their daily lives to find 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:12.560 out sort of what the lay of the land is 0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:13.960 and how often these are being. 0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:16.600 Used and the. 0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:19.280 Reasoning for this is that we were getting the impression 0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:21.360 that a lot of activists seem to have the impression 0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:25.240 that cell size emulators were being used at every, protest 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:28.800 and that police were driving around with one of meds 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.400 in every, car, Right and there was a lot OF i, 0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:35.520 think fear and uncertainty and doubt and sort of ope 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:37.320 wisdom and misinformation going. 0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:39.120 Around so we wanted to be able to get some 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:41.080 real facts on the ground to clear it. 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:44.400 Up and so over the last, year what we've seen 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:49.760 is we have seen evidence of cell size stimulators. 0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:55.520 Occasionally what we have not seen is a preponderance of. 0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:57.400 Them from what we're, seeing they're. 0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:01.360 Not being used constantly all the time, everywhere, Right they're 0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:06.000 being used much more rarely than most people. 0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:09.840 Think and we haven't seen really hardly any evidence of 0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:11.360 them being used at. 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:16.160 Protests what we've seen is them being used kind of 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:21.080 sometimes around major. Cities we've seen them being used outside 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:24.760 THE us a, bit but inside THE, us we have 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:25.480 not seen. 0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:30.800 Them being used for sort of the mass surveillance reason 0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:31.240 that we've. 0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:36.080 Feared that has been backed up by looking at the 0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:38.280 warrants for CeAl sizing leators that we've been able to 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:42.880 get access, to been backed up by talking to people 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:46.520 who are close with law enforcement and who you know 0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:49.040 who understand kind of how law enforcement is actually using. 0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:52.640 These what we're hearing and what we're, seeing the sort 0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:53.960 of evidence of is. 0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:58.840 That cell sizingulators are being used with warrants now Because 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:05.520 lawns went by and large thinks that The carpenter ruling 0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:11.600 does apply to cell size simulators because that is cell 0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:12.640 site location. 0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:14.920 Information it's the same type of. 0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:18.080 Data it is the same exact type of, data, right 0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:21.000 and so it makes sense that a warrant should apply 0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:23.760 to that as. Well before when they figured a warrant 0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.760 didn't apply to, this right BECAUSE i don't, KNOW i 0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:29.760 don't know what the mental gymnastics were, there. RIGHT i 0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:32.120 think it's possible that these were used a lot. More 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:36.160 but now it seems like most lawfirm agencies have from 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.880 the conclusion that the federal government has come to a 0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:42.080 conclusion that this technology does require a warrant and that 0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:47.080 it's more useful or locating a specific person than identifying 0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:51.480 people in a specific. AREA i, think in addition to the, 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:55.240 warrants it makes technical sense because if you want to 0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:59.960 find the people who are in a specific, area site 0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:06.360 stimulator is a, expensive, cumbersome complicated tool for doing. That 0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:11.400 when the alternatives are sending a geofence more. 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.280 To, google Asking google just to tell, me, yeah. 0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:17.800 Asking google to tell you for apting the phone, company 0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:20.879 or a tower, dump getting a warrant for a tower, 0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:24.040 dump which is where you ask them to tell you 0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:25.200 everybody that was connected to. 0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:29.040 A specific, tower, yeah at a specific period of. Time 0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:31.960 that is something that is not addressed by any of 0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:33.080 These tower dumps are. 0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.719 Still a thing you can get with a, warrant, Right 0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:38.640 so that's that's an, Option and then of course all 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:42.640 of the other methods of non cell phone based, surveillance, 0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:44.080 right face recognition is an. 0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:45.920 Option license pre readers are an. 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.920 Option, Right, so there are so many easier ways to 0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:51.080 get the identities of everybody in a specific. 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:54.200 Area it doesn't make sense to use the stimulators for. 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:55.680 That and that's what we're. 0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:58.480 Seeing it seems like what we're being used for a 0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:03.320 vast majority of things is identifying that a specific person 0:35:03.480 --> 0:35:06.360 is in a specific house before a no knock rate is. 0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:11.120 Executed no knock rans are highly. PROBLEMATIC i am not 0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:13.280 a fan of the spat. Teams there's a lot of issues. 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:17.399 There but if they're going to, happen LIKE i, guess, yeah, 0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:21.279 like let's let's make sure we're rating their right house 0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:24.440 so they can be sure of which dogs they're killing before. 0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:27.400 They, YEAH i, mean swatting has become a huge harassment 0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:31.160 tool for people just to deploy against someone that they 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.640 don't like or an influencer that they find. 0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:35.560 Annoying and that is a real issue as. 0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:38.359 Well solifinny thing leaders are not the biggest issue, there, 0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.120 right the, yeah existence of swat teams and how liberally 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.120 they're used is the much bigger. 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:43.600 ISSUE i. 0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:48.400 Think so based on How carpenter seemingly affected the police's 0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:51.600 reticence to use cell site, SIMULATORS i, think like we've, 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:55.640 discussed there's hope that this new ruling might also be 0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:58.040 able to be applied to some other surveillance methods that 0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.719 that will only really become clear over. Time there's there's 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:04.200 one particular That i'm also interested, in is like keyword, 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:08.000 warrants where police will just ask a tech company to 0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:11.960 like get information on all users who typed a specific 0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.759 thing into a search, bar, right, Right and so there's 0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.560 aspects of this recent ruling that could possibly apply to 0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:19.760 something like that as. Well but you, know Despite kagan's 0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:22.560 annoyance at the you, know apt by app way in 0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.839 Which Fourth amendment protections are. Granted organizations like legal rights 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:29.160 organizations including like THE ff you, know might still have 0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:31.600 to kind of approach this from an f by app 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:35.680 basis to get like confirmation that these things are subject 0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:37.759 to The Fourth. Amendment so it's something that we will 0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:38.600 see over time. 0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:42.719 Until and unless we can get comprehensive federal privacy, law 0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:45.520 which again is Not i'm Not i'm not holding out 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:50.600 hope For congress to pass any privacy bills anytime anytime, soon. 0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:53.120 Not the immediate, future but we could hope one, day, 0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:54.840 Right and that is a real, thing same thing with 0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:56.879 like data. 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South take for, 0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:42.560 example what happened to The somali referee who wasn't allowed 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:44.920 to come into THE us to do his. Job he 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.239 was kept hours and hours in the airport before being 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:51.360 unceremoniously returned To. Somalia, similarly the head of The Palestine 0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:53.520 Football association was denied a visa in to The United, 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:55.759 states not allowed to come to The World cup ON us. 0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:58.560 Soil this is in spite of the fact THAT fifa 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:02.200 invited association heads from around the world to, attend and 0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:05.640 he did attend the opening game In Mexico. City or 0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:07.960 one of the worst, incidents if you can call it, 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:10.960 that the way that The iranian team has been. Treated 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:13.640 they weren't allowed to stay in THE us despite the 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.680 games they were playing in this, country were constantly made 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:19.319 to fly back To mexico after every. Game clearly they 0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:21.960 were put at a severe disadvantage because they weren't allowed 0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:25.040 to rest and recuperate like the other. Teams and, Listen 0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:26.840 i'm not going to say it as a, conspiracy but 0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:31.360 having not won but three goals discounted by var eventually 0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:34.360 leading to their elimination from the, tournament just adds insult to. 0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:38.160 Injury but LIKE i, said of, course there are many heartwarming. 0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:41.239 Stories for me as A, palestinian it's been great to 0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:44.399 see how Much palestine keeps popping. Up despite the fact 0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:46.399 that the environment in The United states is much more 0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:49.680 hostile on this issue than the Last World, cup people 0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:53.360 are still talking About palestine and advocating For. Palestine thousands 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:56.600 Of bosnian, supporters for, example Turned toronto into a sea 0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:59.560 of blue as they marched towards the stadium for The canada, 0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:02.520 match Chanting Free, palestine and they did that in a 0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:06.680 number of Places, Englewood. Seattle they also Chanted palestine within 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:10.680 the stadiums in multiple. Games at That canada, game activists 0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:13.400 also on fold a Kick israel out OF fifa banner 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.160 and it makes sense really when you understand the experience 0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:19.560 Of bosnians with genocide themselves not too long. Ago, Similarly 0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:23.719 moroccan fans Held palestinian flags or Wore morocco jerseys with 0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:25.560 the Word palestine on, it and this showed up ON. 0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:29.799 Tv at the very opening match In Mexico, city Pro 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:34.360 palestine demonstrators gathered to form a giant Human palestinian, flag 0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.680 And South korean fans Brought palestinian flags to the, tournament 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:40.600 honoring a promise they made during their qualifying when their 0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:42.920 fans had, chanted will Take palestine to The World cup 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:46.400 with us In. Gaza palestinians are watching the games. Too 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:49.279 spain is the favorite team these days because of the 0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:52.880 government's position on The Israel palestinian conflict and because of 0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:57.560 superstar Player Lamg, jamal who has been unapologetically Pro. Palestine, 0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:01.320 obviously the genocide that has unfolded and go and the 0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:03.920 war in killing that continues in The Middle east in 0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:07.160 both occupy territories and In lebanon are part of the 0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:09.759 reason why this issue seems to be ever. Present but 0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:13.040 it didn't start with the. Genocide the story Of palestine 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:15.520 at The World cup is more layer than, that and 0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:18.400 the twenty twenty Two World cup In kutar was a 0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:21.279 good demonstration of Why palestine keeps popping up and What 0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:24.840 palestine represents to, fans especially air ones then and everyone. 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.480 NOW i know it might seem strange to be talking 0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:29.279 about this now a few years after the, fact But 0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:32.120 i've been thinking about it a, lot especially given everything 0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:34.680 that has unfolded, since AND i think The World cup 0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:37.080 moment is one of those events that gets more, interesting not, 0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:40.279 less as time passes back then as it does. Now 0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:44.160 it's showing us something, important not just About, palestine but 0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:47.799 about the limits of what governments can actually control when 0:42:47.840 --> 0:42:50.839 it comes to what their own people. Believe so let's 0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:53.960 get into. It palestine did not qualify for the twenty 0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:56.920 twenty Two World, cup The palastinian national football team was 0:42:57.280 --> 0:43:01.520 nowhere Near doha in an official, capacity and yet arabs 0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:04.200 from across the region and across the world began referring 0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:08.280 To palestine then as the thirty third, team Because palestine 0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:11.000 was everywhere at the twenty twenty Two World. Cup there 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:15.080 Were palestinian flags draped over shoulders and. Stadiums crowds erupted 0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:18.160 into the chance Of, maltani The palestinian. Anthem After arab teams, 0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:20.960 won One tunisian fan ran onto the pitch mid match 0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:24.160 for The palestinian, flag and When morocco pulled off their 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:27.160 historic upset Against spain so it's the First african And 0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:29.279 arab team to ever reach the semi finals of A World, 0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.960 Cup moroccan players ran to the crowd and held up 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:32.480 The palestinian. 0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:33.680 Flag this was. 0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:37.240 Significant morocco had just signed The Abraham accords With israel 0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:40.280 only two years prior to this, game and their players 0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:43.440 didn't seem to. Care israeli journalists who traveled To kata 0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:47.800 to cover the tournament reported being coldly, received, followed and 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:50.800 in some cases physically shut out of interviews by crowds 0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:53.320 Of arab. Fans some of these reporters were caught on 0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:55.840 camera claiming to be from other countries Like france Or 0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:57.960 switzerland in order to get people to talk to, them 0:43:58.520 --> 0:44:02.280 some of them masked their logos from their. Stations israeli 0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:05.920 media at the time expressed something between confusion and. Outrage 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:10.400 one reporter, remarked And i'm paraphrasing, here but he basically 0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:13.440 said that the hostility wasn't just coming from governments as 0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:15.880 they had, assumed it was coming from ordinary. People and 0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:19.320 this surprised, them but it shouldn't have. Now none of 0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:21.839 this was purely. Spontaneous that's the part of the STORY 0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:23.799 i find most interesting and the part that gets maybe 0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:27.120 the least. Attention months before The World cup, began A 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:31.640 quatari activist group Called Qatara youth opposed a normalization qayo 0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:35.440 n started. Planning they were founded in twenty eleven and 0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:39.040 by twenty twenty, two led predominantly By quatteri, women they 0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.040 had been working for over a decade to push back 0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:44.879 Against klatar's slow drift towards normalizing ties With, israel which 0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:48.000 is something The quatari government had been, entertaining largely under 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:49.640 pressure from The United states and from its goal of 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:52.640 neighbors and in a country where over eighty percent of 0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:56.359 people a post normalization With. Israel this, Organization Quartari youth 0:44:56.440 --> 0:44:59.320 had a, base but they had to work carefully because 0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:04.320 have unsanctioned civil society. Organizations there's all sorts of restrictions 0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:08.400 on independent, activism extremely severe. Anflutha but they saw The 0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:11.960 World cup as a, window an opportunity to turn what already, 0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:16.479 existed which was, deep widespread popular solidarity With, palestine into something, 0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:20.160 visible coordinated and impossible to. Ignore so they got to. 0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:23.400 Work they Persuaded kato's national team captain to wear A 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:27.279 kafia patterned armband before the opening, match and then there 0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:30.680 was this hashtag the captain's armband Is, palestinian which started 0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:34.279 trending On Arabic. Twitter they reached out To quatari, influencers 0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:37.439 from prominent journalists who amplified the campaign across social, media 0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:40.279 and they called on local businesses to display signs that 0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:43.040 they were compliant with the, boycott the investment sanctions. Movement 0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.840 they also ran a kind of counterintelligence operation Against israeli, 0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:50.040 media because they were the ones that began Identifying israeli 0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:53.520 journalists and their logos on social, media flagging them so 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:55.840 That arab fans at the tournament knew who to. Avoid 0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:58.879 and this is how those videos Of israeli broadcasters being 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:02.520 turned away kept appearing. Online they also organized fans to 0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.640 chant For palisin at the forty eighth minute of every. 0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:07.719 Match that's not. Random that's a reference to nineteen forty 0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:10.120 eight and to The nekba where close To William Past 0:46:10.120 --> 0:46:12.600 indians were expelled from their homes with the founding Of Israeli. 0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:15.960 State key members Of katarith said the goal was to 0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:19.839 Turn arab fans from sympathizers into, participants and they were 0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:23.200 honest about something else. Too this only worked because the 0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:25.960 ground was already. Ready as they put, it the campaign 0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:28.000 would not have succeeded had it not been for people's 0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:31.560 own proactive support of The palestini. Cause and that's worth 0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:34.920 sitting with for a. Moment the organizing, mattered the strategy, 0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.239 Mattered but the reason it's spread so quickly so far 0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:40.239 is that there was already a fire. There katariuth just 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:40.560 lit the. 0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:40.839 Match. 0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:53.680 Now to understand why people were so, upset you have 0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:56.040 to understand the abraham of. Courts i've talked about it 0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:59.320 on this podcast. Before the normalization agreements broken by The 0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:02.320 trumpet ministation in twenty twenty Between israel and THE uae 0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:05.320 The United Air emirates In bahrain and Later sudan And. 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:08.880 Morocco these deals were sold as historic, breakthroughs as a 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:11.960 new era of, peace and in terms of official diplomatic, 0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:15.880 relations they were. Breakthroughs they were, historic but there was a. 0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:19.560 Problem nobody asked the, people and these accords didn't solve. 0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:19.880 Anything. 0:47:20.920 --> 0:47:24.160 Now air public opinion surveys have consistently shown that the 0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:27.719 vast majority Of arabs oppose normalization With israel absent a 0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:30.200 resolution to the question Of palestinian statehood and the ongoing, 0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:33.560 occupation and in the most recent polling before the, accords 0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:36.320 it was something like eighty eight percent Of arabs across 0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:40.279 thirteen countries that rejected normalization With, israel and nearly two 0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:43.560 thirds of those cited the occupation Of pasadian land as their. 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:48.360 Reason only seven percent cited something like religious. Objections the 0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:50.920 fear had always been that if you normalize relations With 0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:55.000 israel without a resolution to The Israeli palasadian, Conflict israel 0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:57.239 would not have any reason to try and resolve the 0:47:57.320 --> 0:48:01.200 conflict or address the grievances Of, palestinians That israel perhaps 0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:05.279 would become more aggressive if the guardrails were. Off so 0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:08.400 what The Abrahamic cords actually. Did from the perspective of Ordinary, 0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:11.640 arabs was deep in the sense that their governments wouldn't 0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:14.000 listen to, them were willing to sell them, out sell 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:18.680 out The palestinians for economic and security arrangements that disproportionately 0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:22.560 benefited ruling classes, anyway and THE us is really security. 0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:26.279 Architecture i've written about this, academically and WHAT i found 0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:28.200 is a kind of paradox at the heart of these 0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:31.239 so called peace. Deals peace initiatives that don't address the 0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:34.480 root causes of conflict don't actually create. Peace they create 0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:37.399 a different kind of, violence a structural, violence because they 0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:41.600 maintain the root causes of, conflict and they enable authoritarian 0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:45.920 practices by. Governments So israel shares a lot of tools, surveillance, 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:50.240 technology propaganda, framework security, cooperation both material and discursive, tools 0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:52.360 and these have a way of turning up in the 0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:55.120 hands of governments for pressing their own. Citizens Now i'm 0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:58.120 not saying The United Arab emirates Or bahrain needed encouragement 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:00.880 to repress their own, citizens but it's just another added, 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:04.960 layer another way that the red lines, shift and new 0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:08.320 ways that these governments can attack their own citizens and 0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:12.400 their own. Activists for, example and about the activists involved 0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:16.280 in anti normalization. Activities after the accords became targets of surveillance, 0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:19.720 operations and people who spoke out about the deals faced travel. 0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:23.759 Bins In, bahrain civil society organizations were newly. Restricted the 0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:26.680 quote unquote peace came with the repressive apparatus baked, in 0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:30.040 which is exactly why when thousands Of arabs gathered and 0:49:30.280 --> 0:49:33.319 has public squares to watch The World. Cup the energy 0:49:33.360 --> 0:49:36.920 Around palestine wasn't some just like emotional, sentiment and it 0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:39.200 wasn't a. Relic it was. Fresh it was the anger 0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:41.319 of people who had just watched their governments make deals 0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:43.640 they never asked, for and deals that were used to 0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:47.719 oppress them and not solve the postaining. Issue there is 0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:51.720 a concept that academics and activists have used called sports. 0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:55.360 Normalization the idea is that, sports because they're presented as 0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:58.360 a political or maybe as, entertainment as a space above, 0:49:58.440 --> 0:50:01.400 politics they can be it used as a soft avenue 0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:05.960 for normalizing relationships that would be otherwise politically. Controversial israel 0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:09.600 has long pursued the. Strategy the logic, is If israel 0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:13.600 And arab athletes compete, together then this image of coexistence 0:50:13.680 --> 0:50:17.160 replaces the political reality of. Occupation you don't need any 0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:19.839 kind of solution or diplomatic. Agreement you just need enough 0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:22.239 footage of An israelian moroc and shaking hands on the 0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:24.120 pitch to make people feel like things are moving in 0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:27.800 a good. Direction got the youth were very explicit about targeting. 0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:30.960 This they hosted panels on sports. Normalization they released a 0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:34.800 statement pointing out That western political boycotts Of russia extended 0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:37.840 to sporting events after the invasion Of, ukraine and nobody 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:40.440 then complained that sports were being mixed up with, politics 0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:43.920 and to, them the inconsistency was. Glaring that mixing sports 0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:46.560 with politics was apparently fine when it was about Sanctioning, 0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:52.359 russia admittedly very, appropriately but somehow inappropriate when it came 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:56.040 To palestinian, rights and this double. Standard i've encountered it 0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:59.680 constantly in my, work the insistence that The pastadian cause 0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:03.440 is uniquely, problematic uniquely in need of being kept out 0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:07.080 of polite conversation or. Unreasonable this insistence falls apart the 0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:08.880 moment you compare it to any other conflict where The 0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:11.640 west has chosen a. Side, now The World cup made 0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:14.759 that visible in real time when The palasinian flag showed 0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:16.279 up in a stadium In. Doha it wasn't just a 0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:19.040 symbol of. Solidarity it was an. Argument it, said this 0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:21.960 issue is not. Resolved we have not moved. On it 0:51:22.040 --> 0:51:24.920 doesn't matter what The abraham records said or how many 0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:27.400 photo ops it's going to make any of this go. 0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:27.759 Away. 0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:31.040 NOW i want to dwell for a minute On, morocco full. 0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:33.000 Disclosure that's the TEAM i. SUPPORT i hope they go 0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:35.680 as far as. Possible But morocco is an interesting case 0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:38.360 AND i think it illuminates something about the limits of 0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:41.279 top down. Normalization LIKE i, said The moroccan government signed 0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:45.160 The Abraham, accords and the deal actually INCLUDED us recognition 0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:49.080 Of moroccan sovereignty Over Western, sahara Which morocco has long 0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:52.080 occupied itself a case of a people's right to self 0:51:52.120 --> 0:51:56.520 determination being traded away in this diplomatic agreement. Situation so 0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:59.839 it was a completely cynical arrangement all. Around and yet 0:52:00.000 --> 0:52:02.920 When morocco Beats spain and reached the semi, finals their 0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:06.280 players held up The palestinian. Flag When morocco Beat portugal 0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:09.440 and the streets of robot And casablanca, erupted The palstinian 0:52:09.440 --> 0:52:11.799 flag was there, too and fans In doha who had 0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:13.799 traveled from Across North africa and The Middle east were 0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:17.560 Wearing Palstenian kafia's chanting For. Palestine, now The moroccan government's 0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:19.960 deal With israel did not transfer to The moroccan. People 0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:21.879 and this is the key insight from The World, cup 0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:24.120 the one THAT i keep coming back to that governments 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:27.000 can sign, papers but they can't really sign on behalf 0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:30.719 of public. Sentiment and these countries are not, democratic so 0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:35.120 any kind of push to do something like this seems 0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:37.719 like a betrayal to their own, citizens and they can't 0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:40.440 normalize what has not been normalized in the hearts and minds. 0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:40.560 Of their own. 0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:43.960 Citizens there is a kind of arrogance in The Abraham recurts. 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:45.960 Framework the assumption is that if you get the right, 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:47.600 signatures if you get the right photo op on The 0:52:47.600 --> 0:52:50.000 White house, lawn that the conflict can be ignored at 0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:52.879 that The palstinian cause can. Recede but The World cup 0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:56.239 was a direct refutation of that. Assumption Now i've been 0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:58.280 thinking about all of this in the context of everything 0:52:58.360 --> 0:53:01.279 that has happened since the side In, gaza the daily, 0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:05.440 images the death, tolls the wholesale destruction Of gazan, society 0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:09.200 and the ongoing question of what normalization means now and 0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:12.160 whether any of Those abraham courts frameworks can survive what 0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:14.920 the world has watched happen. NOW i do think it will. 0:53:14.960 --> 0:53:17.239 Survive these governments do not care about what happened In. 0:53:17.320 --> 0:53:21.160 Gaza but what it shows is that the fears around 0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:24.960 The abraham recurts were completely. Founded ignoring The israeli pacinating 0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:28.480 conflict would lead to an escalation in the. VIOLENCE i 0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:30.560 think The World's cup moment was a preview back in 0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:33.520 twenty twenty. Two it told us something about where Popular 0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:36.880 arab opinion actually, was not where governments claimed it, was 0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:39.200 and not Where western media assumed it, was but where 0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:42.160 it actually. Was and it showed us that organized strategic 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:45.640 activism can channel that sentiment that something visible and politically 0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:49.319 costly for the forces of normalization. Now Kotar youth post 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:51.520 A normalization was a small, group and they were operating 0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:55.520 under real restrictions in a country that doesn't allow independent civil, 0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:58.640 society and they still managed to turn a global sporting 0:53:58.680 --> 0:54:00.920 event into one of the most visible expressions Of pastenian 0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:04.680 solidarity in. Years and that matters not because a football, 0:54:04.680 --> 0:54:06.279 tournament a soccer, tournament is going to solve. 0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:07.120 Anything it. 0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:10.560 Doesn't palestinian families don't get their homes back because people 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:13.640 flew a flag in a, Stadium but movements build over 0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:16.480 time and through moments of, visibility through the accumulation of, 0:54:16.520 --> 0:54:19.160 pressure and through the refusal to let the issue, disappear 0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:22.680 into a manufactured consensus that was never real to begin. 0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:25.840 With and today in twenty twenty, six this is not 0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:29.719 specific To air. Republics Even western publics have seen their 0:54:29.760 --> 0:54:32.920 governments ignore, genocide have seen their rights recede as their 0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:36.000 government's ally to protect genocide in a variety of. Ways 0:54:36.719 --> 0:54:39.080 Now i'll end with something a little more. Personal WHEN 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:41.839 i watched Those World croup crowds back in twenty twenty, 0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:45.120 two WHEN i saw all these Different, Arabs moroccans And 0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:48.360 tunisians And, saudis people from countries that have varying in 0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:51.959 complicated relationships with this, issue all waiving The palestinian, FLAG 0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:56.080 i felt a kind of. Hope and it's not. Naive 0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:58.480 it's not the hope that this will be resolved soon or, 0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:01.800 easily but the hope that's Says palestinians are not, alone 0:55:02.040 --> 0:55:04.640 and the cause is not. Forgotten and the silence that 0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:08.000 has been imposed on this, question attempted silence top down 0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:10.759 for so, long is not the consent it pretends to. 0:55:10.840 --> 0:55:14.240 Be governments can sign a, chords but they can erase 0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:16.399 what people, know and they cannot sign away what people. 0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:19.000 Feel when they watch a team lose and a flag 0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:21.839 goes up in a stadium and thousands of people start. 0:55:21.920 --> 0:55:26.520 Chanting palestine keeps showing up uninvited at every table that 0:55:26.600 --> 0:55:29.239 tries to exclude, it AND i think it will keep doing. 0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:31.759 That thank you so much for listening To it Could Happen. 0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:33.320 Here I'm Dan, Algirt. 0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:47.960 Welcome To It Could Happen? Here a podcast about firing 0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:52.080 your boss and keeping them fired and then making their 0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:54.760 not be. Bosses that was an extremely long and slightly 0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:58.680 cumbersome intro from your host To Mio. Loong but with 0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:01.759 me today to talk about how to do such a 0:56:01.920 --> 0:56:06.600 thing Is Reisa, Freiheit tabby And daniel from THE iww 0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:10.680 who are part of a tour talking about just. That 0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:14.320 so all three of, you welcome to the. SHOW, iiky 0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:20.120 thank you for having. Us, Yeah i'm so excited me as, 0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:21.400 WELL i. 0:56:21.440 --> 0:56:24.200 Mean i'm excited for every TIME i do something like 0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:28.560 this Because i'm very much an attention Horror i've few 0:56:28.560 --> 0:56:30.960 as though as an, ACTRESS i kind of have to. 0:56:31.080 --> 0:56:34.360 BE i, mean, yeah that is kind of you, know 0:56:34.480 --> 0:56:37.440 you do you? ARE i, guess, like, yeah trying TO 0:56:38.400 --> 0:56:40.000 i don't, Know oh my, god how DO. 0:56:40.040 --> 0:56:41.759 I do a better? TRANSITION i don't? 0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:48.839 Know you have to ask my? Doctor, okay never, mind 0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:50.879 we're leaving. It the part about how to do a better. 0:56:50.920 --> 0:56:52.600 Transition we're leaving. It you'd have to ask my. 0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:53.239 DOCTOR i like. 0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:56.160 This this is great speaking of a union that has 0:56:56.320 --> 0:56:59.399 a unbelievable number of trans people in it these. Days. 0:57:01.320 --> 0:57:05.440 Yeah so we have on the show talked a little 0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:08.440 bit about the industrial workers of the. World we have 0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:14.040 had SOME iww unions on the. Show but, yeah today 0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:16.440 we're also going to be talking about sort of the 0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:20.320 history of the union and something cool that the union is. 0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:23.080 Doing SO i guess to start, off can you three 0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:26.760 give a kind of brief introduction to, like you, know 0:57:26.960 --> 0:57:29.600 like the one sentence like what is this? Thing and 0:57:29.680 --> 0:57:31.080 then what is this tour that you're? 0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:31.280 Doing? 0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:37.320 Yeah so this tour is The Decentralized tour there's not 0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:39.840 like a small number of like experts so to, speak 0:57:39.840 --> 0:57:42.640 we're touring in the country giving a speech or talking about. 0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:46.400 Things it's more like each INDIVIDUAL iww branch that is 0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:49.720 participating is planning and organizing its own. Event but we're 0:57:49.760 --> 0:57:53.800 coordinating on a national level and trying to promote this 0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:58.360 very broadly to the public because THE iww hasn't done 0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:01.560 a very like public, event especially a national one like 0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:04.760 this and quite some, time and so we feel like 0:58:05.080 --> 0:58:06.720 the moment is calling for something like. 0:58:06.840 --> 0:58:09.680 This, yeah and SO i guess we can now, ask, 0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:14.000 okay like what actually is THE, Iww and how do 0:58:14.120 --> 0:58:16.200 we explain to people that it is in fact called 0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:19.200 The Industrial workers of The, world not The International workers 0:58:19.240 --> 0:58:21.640 of The. World and also that it is not just 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:23.200 a union of people who work in heavy. 0:58:23.240 --> 0:58:27.400 Industry, well we're The Industrial workers of The world because 0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:31.320 we organize. Industrially we want to organize all the workers 0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:33.360 in each industry and not by their. 0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:34.560 Trade, yeah. 0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:38.840 Exactly so an EXAMPLE i always, use you, know since 0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:42.080 I'VE i mean so much student, dad what happens when 0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:46.640 you're getting your masters and you're doctorate is say there's 0:58:46.760 --> 0:58:52.040 a school university instead of what traditional unions, do which, 0:58:52.160 --> 0:58:54.440 is you, know you have the teachers, union and then 0:58:54.560 --> 0:58:58.400 like the janitors, union and you know the thas union 0:58:58.480 --> 0:59:01.800 and all these separate union is like a cafeteria worker, 0:59:01.920 --> 0:59:05.520 union et. Cetera you just have one big. Union that's 0:59:05.600 --> 0:59:08.160 one of the things THE iww is. Code you just 0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:14.200 have one union across all these. Things so everyone from 0:59:14.280 --> 0:59:19.000 the teachers to the thas to the janitors to everyone 0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:23.160 in between is in the same, union in the same bargaining. 0:59:23.360 --> 0:59:25.200 Unit and we don't just stop at one. 0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:30.360 Industry the goal of THE iww is to organize all industries. 0:59:30.640 --> 0:59:35.120 Industrially capital is organized this, way and workers really ought 0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:35.840 to do the same. 0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:41.320 Exactly we have everyone from sex workers to, actresses to 0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:45.080 carpenters to especially back in the, day a lot of, 0:59:45.280 --> 0:59:48.880 miners you, know everyone you can think. Of as long 0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:52.240 as you don't have hiring or firing power and aren't 0:59:52.320 --> 0:59:57.040 a copper active duty, military you can join THE. Iww, 0:59:58.080 --> 0:59:58.760 Yeah and that's. 0:59:58.600 --> 1:00:00.400 Something THAT i THINK i think we've got to on 1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:03.080 this show a little, bit which is, that LIKE i, 1:00:03.160 --> 1:00:05.040 mean obviously it depends a lot on where you, are 1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:07.280 but like a lot of the organizing THE iww does 1:00:07.560 --> 1:00:11.000 is with service workers and service workers and shops that 1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:13.840 every other union looks at and, goes, well you're not 1:00:13.920 --> 1:00:16.680 worth organizing because we can't get enough. Money you'r members 1:00:16.720 --> 1:00:19.200 out of. It and that's SOMETHING i don't, KNOW i 1:00:19.240 --> 1:00:22.440 think is really valuable in this moment where, yeah like 1:00:22.640 --> 1:00:25.880 unbelievable numbers of people are doing service. Work that's like 1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:28.840 What that's what the economy is built. On if you're 1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:32.400 committed from the start to organizing all sectors and all 1:00:32.520 --> 1:00:35.040 workers and all, industries you don't end up in a 1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:38.320 place where you just right, off you, know like entire 1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:40.840 sectors of the economy that are a lot of times 1:00:40.880 --> 1:00:42.360 the people who most desperately need to. 1:00:42.480 --> 1:00:47.040 Organize, Yeah and that's like exactly why THE iww was 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:50.440 born in the first, place was because the trade unions 1:00:50.720 --> 1:00:54.960 back in the nineteen hundreds were ignoring all of the unskilled, 1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:58.040 workers so to, speak like the miners and like the dock. 1:00:58.120 --> 1:01:01.160 Workers but THE iww all the way back nineteen oh 1:01:01.160 --> 1:01:02.920 five was, saying what is still saying today is that 1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:07.080 all workers need a. Union And i'm a, Bartender i'm a. 1:01:07.160 --> 1:01:09.920 Server i've been one since i was sixteen years, old 1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:13.840 my whole working, life And my experience as just a 1:01:13.920 --> 1:01:17.600 working class person has drawn me to THE. Iww it's, Philosophy, 1:01:17.840 --> 1:01:20.280 yeah because no other union really cares about, us but 1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:23.600 thew is. There and like you, said like that's what 1:01:24.120 --> 1:01:27.200 most workers in this or not, most but a large 1:01:27.280 --> 1:01:29.800 chunk of workers in this country are service. Workers it 1:01:29.840 --> 1:01:30.760 makes up like a third of the. 1:01:30.840 --> 1:01:34.200 Economy, yeah and, moreover the industrial workers of the world 1:01:34.360 --> 1:01:36.880 teach us the tools to make change in our. 1:01:36.960 --> 1:01:37.520 Workplace. 1:01:38.200 --> 1:01:41.720 Right other unions are something of a service, model, right 1:01:41.880 --> 1:01:45.720 they themselves become a service for their clients who are the. 1:01:45.800 --> 1:01:49.720 Workers but what THE iww teaches is that it's on, us, 1:01:50.360 --> 1:01:52.760 right we need to make the change in our. Workplace 1:01:53.160 --> 1:01:57.040 we have to analyze the, conditions really understand the imbalance 1:01:57.080 --> 1:01:58.040 of power that. 1:01:58.120 --> 1:02:01.840 The bosses have over us as wage, workers and change. 1:02:01.880 --> 1:02:05.960 Them and that means talking to our, colleagues, learning, analyzing 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:09.680 and then taking, action direct action to make the. 1:02:09.800 --> 1:02:10.360 Changes that we. 1:02:10.560 --> 1:02:13.880 Want because only, us we're the ones who know what's 1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:17.280 best for our, workplace what's best for our, industry, right 1:02:17.360 --> 1:02:19.920 and we're in a position to make that change when 1:02:20.000 --> 1:02:21.760 we organize horizontally in that. 1:02:21.840 --> 1:02:22.040 Way. 1:02:22.520 --> 1:02:25.600 Yeah the thing THAT i really love about THE iww 1:02:26.480 --> 1:02:30.960 is that it's a very good teacher in many. Ways you, 1:02:31.040 --> 1:02:34.360 know so many, people you, know aren't fortunate to have 1:02:34.640 --> 1:02:38.080 the incredible amount of education THAT i have in you, 1:02:38.120 --> 1:02:41.000 know really being able to study the material conditions of, 1:02:41.320 --> 1:02:44.320 capitalism of really kind of getting at the center, of you, 1:02:44.400 --> 1:02:47.960 know how change is. Made AND i find that with 1:02:48.080 --> 1:02:52.120 THE iww in the way we, organize no classroom in 1:02:52.200 --> 1:02:54.240 the world can teach, you as well as your own, 1:02:54.360 --> 1:02:58.680 experience that the way to revolutions not electing some. Politician 1:02:59.080 --> 1:03:02.200 the way to the revolution isn't handing your power to 1:03:02.320 --> 1:03:06.400 some union. Bureaucrat the way to the, revolution to, socialism to, 1:03:06.480 --> 1:03:10.280 communism to industrial, democracy to the abolition of the wage 1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:14.440 system is direct. Action is doing it. Yourself is shop floor. 1:03:14.760 --> 1:03:19.040 Organizing and when workers realize that they have power over 1:03:19.320 --> 1:03:23.800 their own lives and destinies at, work they realize that 1:03:23.920 --> 1:03:28.400 they have power over all of. Society once we come 1:03:28.560 --> 1:03:33.320 together and decide upon, something there is no employer who 1:03:33.400 --> 1:03:33.880 can stop. 1:03:34.000 --> 1:03:45.600 Us you. 1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:50.040 Know Big Bill, haywood who's a very very FAMOUS oldww, 1:03:50.280 --> 1:03:53.880 member has this line where he, Goes i've never read, 1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:57.200 capital BUT i have its stars on my. Back many 1:03:57.320 --> 1:04:01.040 memes have been made of. That, yeah and it's it's 1:04:01.040 --> 1:04:03.760 something THAT i don't, know like SOMETHING i do appreciate 1:04:04.120 --> 1:04:06.480 kind of About like my experience with the union has been, 1:04:06.520 --> 1:04:09.600 that like it's a place where you, know the theoretical 1:04:09.640 --> 1:04:14.680 stuff that you're doing right is stuff that's drawn from 1:04:14.800 --> 1:04:17.640 just the immediacy of, Like, okay we have to get 1:04:17.680 --> 1:04:19.360 a bunch of people to show up to a meeting 1:04:19.840 --> 1:04:21.440 so that you, know we can do this. Union we 1:04:21.520 --> 1:04:23.160 have to like talk to people and we have to 1:04:23.240 --> 1:04:25.080 like get people organized to be able to do direct. 1:04:25.120 --> 1:04:27.479 Actions we have to be able to like get people 1:04:27.520 --> 1:04:29.320 to show up in this place and like do all 1:04:29.400 --> 1:04:31.080 of the sort of like you, know just the like 1:04:31.240 --> 1:04:34.919 the the nitty pretty technical work of like fighting a class. 1:04:34.920 --> 1:04:37.680 Struggle but it's this place where, like, yeah you actually 1:04:37.920 --> 1:04:41.200 get theory that's drawn from action and is sort of 1:04:41.520 --> 1:04:44.120 unified with it because you just you have to do it, 1:04:44.440 --> 1:04:46.560 right like you have to get anyone to do the thing, 1:04:47.080 --> 1:04:49.280 constantly and there's no one else who can do it for. 1:04:49.480 --> 1:04:52.440 You there's just you and your fellow. Workers and it's, 1:04:52.680 --> 1:04:54.720 yeah it's you and your fellow workers and you're fighting 1:04:54.760 --> 1:04:58.520 against the, boss and it it rocks and Then once 1:04:58.600 --> 1:04:59.280 you feel, it you're. 1:04:59.320 --> 1:05:02.760 Hooked, yeah, right once you really get to experience that 1:05:03.360 --> 1:05:06.840 that sort of, camaraderie that closeness you actually get with 1:05:07.000 --> 1:05:10.680 your co, workers when you know your comrades and, struggle 1:05:10.800 --> 1:05:14.720 you're working together towards. Something it's way bigger than any, department, 1:05:15.240 --> 1:05:18.760 right or institution or. Anything it's a matter of creating 1:05:18.840 --> 1:05:21.360 the world that we want for, ourselves the world that 1:05:21.560 --> 1:05:24.880 like we are entitled as workers as a creator of 1:05:25.080 --> 1:05:27.280 all this wealth and all of these great things that 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:28.600 that humans are capable. 1:05:28.640 --> 1:05:31.200 Of, like that's that's what The wobblies are all, about 1:05:31.520 --> 1:05:32.919 in my humble, opinion. 1:05:33.800 --> 1:05:36.440 Just kind of just bringing up for, me like one 1:05:36.480 --> 1:05:40.600 of the most remarkable things about THE Iww, historically like 1:05:40.720 --> 1:05:44.640 in it's, heyday it had nearly half percent of all 1:05:44.760 --> 1:05:48.000 workers in this country within its, ranks and like The 1:05:48.120 --> 1:05:52.160 wobbley philosophy like spread like wildfire across the, country and 1:05:52.280 --> 1:05:54.640 it was just spread by regular rank file workers who 1:05:54.680 --> 1:05:55.840 were empowered. 1:05:55.360 --> 1:05:56.080 And believed in. 1:05:56.160 --> 1:05:59.320 Something, yeah and you, know it's it's sad to say, 1:05:59.360 --> 1:06:02.440 that like today a lot of workers don't even know 1:06:02.520 --> 1:06:05.040 what THE iww, is what it. Means it's like what 1:06:05.120 --> 1:06:07.680 it's done so like that is part of the reason 1:06:07.720 --> 1:06:11.200 why we're doing the firebus words to like actually become 1:06:11.600 --> 1:06:15.000 a phenomenon again and to have people recognize us and, like, 1:06:15.120 --> 1:06:16.600 no the wildly way of. 1:06:16.800 --> 1:06:20.640 Organizing you, know, YEAH i cannot tell you the amount 1:06:20.680 --> 1:06:23.600 of times you, Know I've i've been talking with you, 1:06:23.680 --> 1:06:27.919 know other union organizers and they, said, wait THE iww still. 1:06:28.000 --> 1:06:31.240 Exists, yeah that's the thing happens a, lot or even. 1:06:31.160 --> 1:06:34.080 Worse they don't know about it at. All and, again 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:37.760 as a historian of our union and somewhat long time 1:06:37.840 --> 1:06:41.360 Member i've been a member since twenty, nineteen it really 1:06:41.480 --> 1:06:44.360 pisses me. Off pissed me off to the degree that last, 1:06:44.440 --> 1:06:48.440 year for one hundred and twentieth, ANNIVERSARY i produce and 1:06:49.080 --> 1:06:55.280 performed in a wabversary live. Stream we had people from 1:06:55.960 --> 1:07:00.800 four different countries and multiple different branches just call into 1:07:00.880 --> 1:07:03.800 the show shout out the caveat In New York city 1:07:03.880 --> 1:07:07.320 they hosted. Us and that kind of just really feeds 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:11.600 into why we're doing Fire Your, boss BECAUSE i know 1:07:11.720 --> 1:07:15.080 all of us want THE iww to be like known 1:07:15.360 --> 1:07:17.920 and you, know not just as a union that THE 1:07:18.040 --> 1:07:20.760 us government, killed which by the, way they failed to, 1:07:20.880 --> 1:07:25.560 do but as a vibrant force that is an alternative 1:07:25.800 --> 1:07:29.840 do not only you, know wage, slavery but unions as 1:07:29.880 --> 1:07:34.680 a service and you, know not unions as you and 1:07:34.800 --> 1:07:35.960 your coworkers and your. 1:07:36.000 --> 1:07:39.960 Comrades, yeah and that's SOMETHING i think comes up a 1:07:40.080 --> 1:07:43.200 lot in, organizing which is like a lot of the 1:07:43.640 --> 1:07:47.760 history of what the union is not just sort of 1:07:48.080 --> 1:07:50.520 the history of LIKE i guess what you would call 1:07:50.640 --> 1:07:52.600 like The heyday in the nineteen hundreds and like you 1:07:52.640 --> 1:07:55.600 know through that's like the nineteen, twenties but like the 1:07:55.800 --> 1:07:59.880 modern history of the union has just been suppressed or. 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:06.320 DISAPPEARED i think people now are kind of getting an understanding, that, 1:08:06.480 --> 1:08:09.560 like there was A starbucks union before the Current starbucks 1:08:09.680 --> 1:08:12.760 union that like aaw. ORGANIZED i think people tend to 1:08:12.800 --> 1:08:15.160 think of it as like it was like some shops 1:08:15.200 --> 1:08:17.559 In New, york and it's, like, no, no it. Wasn't 1:08:17.680 --> 1:08:19.559 it was all over the. Country there was a whole 1:08:19.560 --> 1:08:22.240 bunch of shit that they. Did there were enormous numbers 1:08:22.240 --> 1:08:25.040 of workers, involved and it's a thing that like it's 1:08:25.120 --> 1:08:27.519 both from from a historical perspective but also from the 1:08:27.560 --> 1:08:31.880 perspective of like just generationally we tend to lose like 1:08:32.120 --> 1:08:35.160 movement knowledge as as each generation comes down because a 1:08:35.200 --> 1:08:37.479 lot of the stuff just isn't passed. 1:08:37.520 --> 1:08:42.240 On no one knows The internationale, anymore, Lame no one 1:08:42.400 --> 1:08:43.960 knows The internationale. 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:46.960 Anymore, yeah but it's not even just. That it's like 1:08:47.000 --> 1:08:50.320 there's stuff that like happened in our lifetime that like 1:08:50.800 --> 1:08:54.040 people you probably have met were involved with that like 1:08:54.240 --> 1:08:57.040 is just. Gone like the EXAMPLE i always talked about 1:08:57.040 --> 1:08:58.599 on this show And i'm gonna keep talking about until 1:08:58.600 --> 1:09:00.680 every single person in the left was about it was 1:09:00.720 --> 1:09:04.680 The Wahaka. Uprising we're like, yeah like also Like wobbli's 1:09:04.840 --> 1:09:06.920 like went through this and we're in. It but it's, like, 1:09:07.040 --> 1:09:10.559 yeah like people In mexico like took a Major North 1:09:10.640 --> 1:09:13.360 american city and held it longer than The Paris commune. 1:09:13.400 --> 1:09:16.120 Did and this was in two thousand and. Six LIKE 1:09:16.280 --> 1:09:19.160 i guess maybe there are some of you, now horrifyingly 1:09:19.240 --> 1:09:21.640 who weren't alive for. That but, like nice way to 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:25.200 make me feel. OLD i. Know it's a Namer the 1:09:25.400 --> 1:09:29.240 history and possibility of, STRUGGLE i think like just gets 1:09:29.400 --> 1:09:32.519 lost in ways where people suddenly don't realize that like, yeah, 1:09:32.600 --> 1:09:36.680 no like in in your, lifetimes people formed giant assemblies 1:09:36.720 --> 1:09:39.240 and took control of like a Major North american city 1:09:39.439 --> 1:09:42.640 and held it for. Months like that's the thing that 1:09:42.800 --> 1:09:43.320 we all lived. 1:09:43.360 --> 1:09:45.920 Through it's a long, memory, RIGHT i, mean it's a 1:09:46.000 --> 1:09:49.240 powerful weapon that we have when we actually remember these. Things, 1:09:49.479 --> 1:09:52.639 yeah when we really learned from them and we realized that's, 1:09:52.720 --> 1:09:55.840 ourselves that is our, history that is a people's, history. 1:09:56.360 --> 1:09:58.320 Right we are learning somebody else's. 1:09:58.400 --> 1:10:02.000 History were living right in the world of the ruling, class, 1:10:02.200 --> 1:10:04.479 right and we just need to realize that we're in 1:10:04.600 --> 1:10:07.200 the position to change. It we're the ones who do, 1:10:07.360 --> 1:10:10.320 it who make the history and really create the world 1:10:10.360 --> 1:10:12.760 we want in the shell in all of, this like you, 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:15.760 know buckering that's going on around the, world it's on. 1:10:16.000 --> 1:10:19.560 Us While i'm talking About mexico to talk about a 1:10:19.680 --> 1:10:21.920 very different part Of, MEXICO i do you want to 1:10:21.960 --> 1:10:23.880 mention like maybe MY i don't know if it's like. 1:10:23.960 --> 1:10:26.439 Heir like one of the pieces Of wobbley like history 1:10:26.479 --> 1:10:28.800 THAT i really like THAT i think never gets talked 1:10:28.800 --> 1:10:30.840 about is the fact, that in a similar way that 1:10:31.040 --> 1:10:33.320 like what happens, today there's there's a lot of connections 1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:37.479 between workers in like workers In, california workers In mexico 1:10:37.520 --> 1:10:39.200 and there's a bunch of people moving back and forth 1:10:39.200 --> 1:10:42.640 across the. Border there's workers moving, around and there was 1:10:42.680 --> 1:10:46.200 a whole bunch Of Mexican wobbleys of various, kinds and 1:10:46.840 --> 1:10:49.120 a whole bunch Of wobbley's like went over and fought 1:10:49.160 --> 1:10:52.000 in The Mexican revolution because it was it was the 1:10:52.080 --> 1:10:52.360 thing to. 1:10:52.439 --> 1:10:52.479 Do. 1:10:53.160 --> 1:10:57.520 Yeah the collaboration was to the point that multiple locals 1:10:57.800 --> 1:11:01.840 in various states In mexico and Also california And, arizona 1:11:01.960 --> 1:11:05.880 they were literally like, merged so it was literally like 1:11:06.400 --> 1:11:10.000 the same local across you, know national. 1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:14.600 Borders, yeah and If i'm remembering, correctly like THE iww 1:11:14.880 --> 1:11:18.040 like took a Few mexican cities like in the north 1:11:18.160 --> 1:11:20.320 because they were the people who were just doing the uprising. 1:11:20.360 --> 1:11:24.280 There, yeah put them and their allies in The parti 1:11:24.360 --> 1:11:27.920 De Liberal, mexicano which do not be confused by the, 1:11:28.080 --> 1:11:31.839 name was an anarchist. Group that is the whole history 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:33.280 in and of itself. 1:11:33.560 --> 1:11:35.880 One of the all time funniest Things i've ever seen 1:11:35.960 --> 1:11:38.519 of just, yeah we named ourselves A Liberal party Of, 1:11:38.560 --> 1:11:42.320 mexico but were. Anarchists but just incredible stuff going on 1:11:42.400 --> 1:11:42.880 in the nineteen. 1:11:42.920 --> 1:11:45.200 Hundreds it was a very different. 1:11:45.360 --> 1:11:50.479 Time, yeah speaking of very different. Times, yeah do you 1:11:50.520 --> 1:11:53.160 want to talk more about sort of what is going 1:11:53.240 --> 1:11:56.920 to be involved in this tour AND i guess also 1:11:57.000 --> 1:12:01.320 like how people can get involved with, it learn and 1:12:01.400 --> 1:12:03.519 hopefully like start organizing and fighting in their. 1:12:03.560 --> 1:12:04.120 Workplaces. 1:12:04.920 --> 1:12:09.920 Yeah so the rough curriculum or agenda for the tour 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:13.760 has like four or five primary like. Sections but LIKE 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:16.360 i said at the beginning of this, conversation like it's 1:12:16.360 --> 1:12:18.600 a decentralized, Tour so each branch is going to do 1:12:18.640 --> 1:12:21.200 it a little bit, differently but roughly it's going to 1:12:21.280 --> 1:12:23.400 be first like, people we're going to try to like 1:12:23.479 --> 1:12:27.599 talk with people who, attend like see what people's current 1:12:27.680 --> 1:12:30.960 conception of a union. Is just like kind of talk 1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:34.519 about unions broadly and how people perceive, them and then 1:12:35.080 --> 1:12:39.040 transition into talking about the IWW's way to do unions 1:12:39.200 --> 1:12:44.639 and solidarity, unionism which doesn't necessarily rely on recognition from 1:12:44.920 --> 1:12:47.760 the state or, Capital like we recognize ourselves as the, 1:12:47.880 --> 1:12:52.400 union you, know we take direct. Action we're very, democratic very, 1:12:52.479 --> 1:12:55.080 caring you, know talking about, yeah the IWW's way to 1:12:55.160 --> 1:12:59.120 do unionism and, industrially like how do you do industrial, 1:12:59.240 --> 1:13:02.120 unions and then and moving into how unions can be 1:13:02.520 --> 1:13:06.760 a revolutionary force and how like we're facing all these 1:13:06.840 --> 1:13:10.280 things we're up, against like THESE fbi rates and multiple 1:13:10.439 --> 1:13:13.680 like cities and states across the. COUNTRY ice is like 1:13:14.120 --> 1:13:18.440 literally murdering people in the. Streets we've like got genocides 1:13:18.479 --> 1:13:21.000 going on all over the. Place and by taking back 1:13:21.000 --> 1:13:24.680 control of our labor and shutting shit, down we can 1:13:25.000 --> 1:13:28.479 be a revolutionary. Force AND i feel like a lot 1:13:28.520 --> 1:13:31.000 of people have kind of forgotten about the live movement 1:13:31.040 --> 1:13:32.920 and so to, speak because of how shitty like these 1:13:32.960 --> 1:13:36.400 trade unions can be sometimes and how, bureaucratic and so you, 1:13:36.479 --> 1:13:39.360 know we should remember that these are really powerful like 1:13:39.840 --> 1:13:42.760 things to be. Doing and then we'll wrap it up 1:13:42.960 --> 1:13:46.799 with just talking about like next steps and. Things hopefully 1:13:46.920 --> 1:13:49.679 get people out to organizer, trainings just get people connected 1:13:49.720 --> 1:13:53.439 to their local, branches make connections with people who are 1:13:53.680 --> 1:13:56.920 like thinking about the same things about building militant rank 1:13:56.960 --> 1:13:58.080 and file unions and. 1:13:58.200 --> 1:14:01.839 Stuff, yeah, yeah talk a little bit about the organizer, 1:14:01.920 --> 1:14:03.840 trainings BECAUSE i think that's a really really cool thing 1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:07.240 with THAT aw does that people don't really know about it. All. 1:14:07.640 --> 1:14:12.640 YEAH i really love the IWW's organizer. Training we have 1:14:12.880 --> 1:14:15.240 AN ot one on one organizer training one on one 1:14:15.760 --> 1:14:18.920 Called building The, committee and it's a two day training 1:14:19.560 --> 1:14:22.920 kind of like a big crash course into how to 1:14:23.040 --> 1:14:27.360 build a union from, scratch like within your, workplace how 1:14:27.439 --> 1:14:31.160 to start gathering, contacts how to start having like those 1:14:31.200 --> 1:14:35.640 initial conversations with worker your fellow, workers and how to 1:14:35.840 --> 1:14:40.519 develop your co workers into, organizers and how to build 1:14:40.600 --> 1:14:43.559 power in the workplace and shift that balance of power 1:14:43.680 --> 1:14:48.200 from the boss to the. Workers and it's very different 1:14:48.280 --> 1:14:50.680 than like other union organizer trainings because a lot of 1:14:50.760 --> 1:14:53.840 other trainings are basically like training you how to do 1:14:54.040 --> 1:14:57.839 card check, campaigns like how to talk to your, coworker 1:14:57.880 --> 1:14:59.240 get them to sign a card and then you never 1:14:59.280 --> 1:15:00.360 talk to them again kind of. 1:15:00.439 --> 1:15:01.840 Thing but we're not interested in. 1:15:01.880 --> 1:15:04.880 That we're interested in like building real relationships and like 1:15:04.920 --> 1:15:07.640 building bill power with our, coworkers and that's what the 1:15:07.680 --> 1:15:08.640 training is all. 1:15:08.680 --> 1:15:11.040 About, YEAH i think it's fun both untwo levels of. 1:15:11.080 --> 1:15:12.479 One I've i've been to one of these and it's 1:15:12.600 --> 1:15:14.400 very very. Good and the second THING i think is 1:15:14.479 --> 1:15:17.040 very funny is like the other unions that like suck 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:19.400 less in THE, us like part of what has happened 1:15:19.479 --> 1:15:21.560 is they've adopted a bunch of the trading. 1:15:22.400 --> 1:15:26.479 From one of the amount of Times i've seen some 1:15:26.840 --> 1:15:30.160 union doing something and being like they learned it from, 1:15:30.280 --> 1:15:33.160 us it's very fucking obvious the learned it from. 1:15:33.320 --> 1:15:36.360 US i will listen to people being like they're giving 1:15:36.400 --> 1:15:38.120 a definition of the. Union i'm, like that's the i 1:15:38.280 --> 1:15:41.000 W w. One AND i know your leadership doesn't believe 1:15:41.080 --> 1:15:44.280 this because it's, like, not that's not how your union. 1:15:44.360 --> 1:15:46.280 Works but, yeah you, could you, could you, could you. 1:15:46.320 --> 1:15:48.719 Could you can get the original one from the source 1:15:48.880 --> 1:15:51.840 that doesn't have in the same way that like a 1:15:51.880 --> 1:15:54.439 bunch of the modern trade unions cut out a couple 1:15:54.760 --> 1:15:58.120 of versus of solidarity forever because they were too. Radical they. 1:15:58.320 --> 1:16:04.439 Mutilated are fucking. Bad that chaplain is rolling in his fucking. 1:16:04.600 --> 1:16:08.200 Grave that's A. Canaan they stole the song and then 1:16:08.240 --> 1:16:10.479 they were, like oh my, god hold on, this like 1:16:10.640 --> 1:16:13.280 might teach workers that they don't have anything in common 1:16:13.360 --> 1:16:15.320 with their, Bosses like we have to. 1:16:15.439 --> 1:16:15.960 Stop we. 1:16:16.120 --> 1:16:21.800 Can't there's seven verses, altogether count them seven except something. 1:16:21.640 --> 1:16:25.160 Yeah and most most unions sing like five oh if that? 1:16:25.880 --> 1:16:29.760 Yeah and you know in the same way that you 1:16:29.880 --> 1:16:34.320 can get the original uncut version Of Salary. Forever you 1:16:34.520 --> 1:16:37.040 too can get to the organizer training that these other 1:16:37.080 --> 1:16:38.840 people are getting bad versions Of. 1:16:39.520 --> 1:16:44.560 Yeah fun. Story so this is unrelated to THE, iww 1:16:44.760 --> 1:16:48.200 but also. RELATED a few weeks, AGO i was a 1:16:48.479 --> 1:16:54.080 part of the Anti Zionist jewish contingent at The Queer 1:16:54.200 --> 1:16:58.960 Liberation march In New York, city and of COURSE i 1:16:59.080 --> 1:17:03.280 got on the mega phone and led everyone in Singing solidarity. 1:17:03.479 --> 1:17:07.320 Forever hell, yeah hell, yeah it's a good. TIME i 1:17:07.439 --> 1:17:09.439 hear there's a New Little Red songbook in the. 1:17:09.520 --> 1:17:12.799 WORKS i don't know how far along The Committee committee, 1:17:12.920 --> 1:17:16.240 is but this has been a mammoth. PROJECT i could 1:17:16.320 --> 1:17:19.880 only imagine right producing a New Little red. 1:17:20.000 --> 1:17:22.639 Songbook by the, WAY i want to point this out 1:17:22.720 --> 1:17:26.440 to speak speaking of other people taking, stuff THE iww 1:17:26.800 --> 1:17:31.000 Had Little Red books before The maoist. Did LIKE i 1:17:31.120 --> 1:17:34.800 CAN'T i can't say for certain That Maxine don took 1:17:34.840 --> 1:17:37.320 that chip from, us but like that stuff is from 1:17:37.520 --> 1:17:42.720 way fucking Before maoism. Existed like this is not affiliated 1:17:42.840 --> 1:17:43.320 those well are. 1:17:43.360 --> 1:17:45.599 FUCKERS i, Mean. 1:17:45.640 --> 1:17:49.880 Mao was a was an anarchist before he became A. Marxist, 1:17:50.320 --> 1:17:54.200 yeah this is The chinese anarchist movement one hundred years 1:17:54.240 --> 1:17:59.519 ago was way stronger than The marxist. Movement like half 1:17:59.640 --> 1:18:04.840 the original communist parties in the. World we're founded by former. Anarchids, 1:18:05.360 --> 1:18:08.559 yeah and this this has gone poorly for. Them check's 1:18:08.600 --> 1:18:23.439 notes filtering back to the twenty. 1:18:23.520 --> 1:18:28.120 Twenties from the nineteen, twenties where where can people find 1:18:28.280 --> 1:18:32.400 where tours are? Happening and yeah and get more. Involved, 1:18:32.840 --> 1:18:38.599 yeah we have a. Website It's Industrial worker dot Card. 1:18:38.720 --> 1:18:41.479 Co there's two rs in. CARD i don't know if 1:18:41.479 --> 1:18:43.680 we can link that like in the description of the. 1:18:43.760 --> 1:18:44.680 Podcast oh yeah we. 1:18:44.720 --> 1:18:45.160 Can we'll make a. 1:18:45.240 --> 1:18:46.040 Description, okay. 1:18:46.160 --> 1:18:48.439 Cool so, yeah that website will have all of the tour. 1:18:48.520 --> 1:18:51.800 Locations right, now there's eight. Locations there might be one 1:18:51.880 --> 1:18:54.960 or two more being added in the near, future but 1:18:55.080 --> 1:18:59.519 as of right, now it's Like, Portland, Sacramento, Denver, Seattle, 1:18:59.680 --> 1:19:03.200 CHICA i Go Green, mountain which is brilliancent for Fine 1:19:03.880 --> 1:19:07.040 New York city and excellent C, michigan who are all 1:19:07.120 --> 1:19:09.800 having locations on this. Tour and that website will have 1:19:09.840 --> 1:19:13.920 all the tales like, when, where. Etc hell, Yeah i'm. 1:19:13.960 --> 1:19:17.639 EXCITED i also wanted to shout out. Specifically first, Off 1:19:18.200 --> 1:19:23.240 i'm the proud chairwoman of The Orientation committee OF, nyciww 1:19:23.840 --> 1:19:27.439 actually former branch secretary treasurer Of Northern New jersey before 1:19:27.520 --> 1:19:31.920 we merged With New. York but nyciww's having Our Fire 1:19:32.000 --> 1:19:37.719 Your Boss tour stop At woodbine In manhattan On august twenty, 1:19:38.000 --> 1:19:43.000 second starting at. Noon free lunch will be. Provided oh, 1:19:43.120 --> 1:19:47.320 yeah so here in THE nyc, area please stop by 1:19:47.880 --> 1:19:51.320 and get to meet the sexy trans woman with The transatlantic. 1:19:51.479 --> 1:19:55.839 ACCENT i Visited woodbine winning was still In, Ridgewood. 1:19:55.920 --> 1:19:58.680 Queens i'm very much looking forward to checking out their 1:19:58.720 --> 1:20:01.639 new location and so any of you all they still 1:20:01.760 --> 1:20:02.599 have That queen's. 1:20:02.680 --> 1:20:06.679 LOCATION i think they've just expanded Into, manhattan. 1:20:06.800 --> 1:20:09.479 Right it's been ages. 1:20:09.640 --> 1:20:12.320 Now but, anyway if you're In Northern New, england you 1:20:12.400 --> 1:20:15.920 could join us at The Public library In, Burlington vermont On, 1:20:16.160 --> 1:20:19.719 Sunday august. Sixteenth that Is Bennington Battle, day a state 1:20:19.800 --> 1:20:21.479 holiday unique to the state Of. 1:20:21.560 --> 1:20:27.519 Vermont do you have anything else that you want to 1:20:27.640 --> 1:20:29.720 televerye before we head. 1:20:29.760 --> 1:20:35.320 OUT i would say THAT i think what THE iww 1:20:35.640 --> 1:20:39.519 does very uniquely THAT i haven't really seen any other union. 1:20:39.640 --> 1:20:43.840 Do is, that in my, opinion at our best we 1:20:44.200 --> 1:20:48.680 we go contract. List shout out To Stardust Workers. United 1:20:48.880 --> 1:20:54.479 they're AN nyciww shop who are the singing waiters and 1:20:54.600 --> 1:20:59.160 other staff At Ellen's Stardust. Diner and of Course i'm 1:20:59.200 --> 1:21:02.240 a fan since I i'm an actress and singer, myself 1:21:02.560 --> 1:21:05.519 and of course fellow. Worker but they don't have a. 1:21:05.600 --> 1:21:09.400 Contract what they do is they use direct action in 1:21:09.560 --> 1:21:14.640 various tactics to exert their power and negotiate with the 1:21:14.720 --> 1:21:18.120 boss's issue by. Issue they don't use state power to 1:21:18.280 --> 1:21:22.440 enforce it at. All there's been no, election there's no contract. 1:21:22.600 --> 1:21:26.000 Signed all they did is get a bunch of their 1:21:26.080 --> 1:21:30.080 fellow workers to join THE iww and exist as a 1:21:30.160 --> 1:21:32.920 bargaining unit and exert power that. Way AND i think 1:21:32.960 --> 1:21:37.639 that's very powerful because we aren't relying upon the state 1:21:38.200 --> 1:21:43.400 to enforce our. Will we're doing it. Ourselves and that's 1:21:43.439 --> 1:21:47.120 such a powerful thing when so many people just are 1:21:47.520 --> 1:21:51.360 streaming why won't someone save? Us you, know everyone's, like 1:21:51.680 --> 1:21:55.680 why won't someone do? Something why won't someone do? 1:21:56.120 --> 1:22:00.240 Something wown't someone do? Something And i'm just, like you 1:22:00.360 --> 1:22:00.840 can do it. 1:22:01.000 --> 1:22:06.200 Yourselves you can make your own conditions better by you 1:22:07.080 --> 1:22:11.439 and your coworkers. Alone AND i think that's so special 1:22:11.479 --> 1:22:16.400 about THE iww is that that truly is a revolutionary 1:22:16.560 --> 1:22:17.200 break from the. 1:22:17.320 --> 1:22:20.600 State the thing THAT i would want to end this 1:22:20.800 --> 1:22:23.720 conversation with, IS i feel like the labor movement in 1:22:23.760 --> 1:22:26.040 The United states has been trying the same thing over 1:22:26.120 --> 1:22:28.360 and over again for, decades like ever since The National 1:22:28.680 --> 1:22:32.360 Libor Relations act was, Passed like we've been trying this contract, 1:22:32.640 --> 1:22:35.639 model like this like service model that we've been talking, 1:22:35.640 --> 1:22:40.160 about and it's kind of why the labor movement is 1:22:40.360 --> 1:22:42.639 as weak as it is, today and like the current 1:22:42.640 --> 1:22:47.439 administration is going after like these protections that we, had 1:22:47.640 --> 1:22:49.080 and it kind of just goes to show how we 1:22:49.160 --> 1:22:52.920 can't rely on these like pennies that the state throws, 1:22:53.000 --> 1:22:55.680 us like these, protections they're not really, Real, like so 1:22:55.800 --> 1:22:58.080 we need to build our own. Power we need to 1:22:58.160 --> 1:23:01.680 be reliant on. Ourselves and there's one quote THAT i 1:23:02.080 --> 1:23:05.200 have really. LOVED i don't know who said, it but it, 1:23:05.280 --> 1:23:08.960 says today's labor, movement which involves the absolute majority of 1:23:09.000 --> 1:23:12.760 the global, population along with its allies and marginalized groups and, 1:23:12.840 --> 1:23:18.479 minorities must mount an, offensive reviving strategies and energetic dedication 1:23:18.880 --> 1:23:21.519 to radical. Methods and that's what we're trying to do 1:23:21.680 --> 1:23:24.320 with the firebus story is like return to these and 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:28.360 radical methods that worked so, well like, historically we need 1:23:28.439 --> 1:23:29.479 to try something. 1:23:29.560 --> 1:23:33.840 New so, yeah and something very very new and very 1:23:34.000 --> 1:23:34.960 very old at the same. 1:23:35.040 --> 1:23:39.840 Time there are some historians that put the estimates of 1:23:39.920 --> 1:23:43.360 members of THE iww it's kind of hard to track 1:23:43.520 --> 1:23:46.080 due to a lot of the members were migrant. Workers 1:23:46.640 --> 1:23:51.920 put it at possibly over a million in the nineteen. 1:23:52.120 --> 1:23:57.120 Tens and you, know in my, opinion it's a good. 1:23:57.240 --> 1:24:01.479 Start you, know let's get. THERE i, MEAN theflcio is 1:24:01.640 --> 1:24:06.280 like three four or five, million you, Know I'm i'm 1:24:06.360 --> 1:24:09.240 hoping The fire Your Boss tour is the is the 1:24:09.400 --> 1:24:13.760 start of, uh you, know great amazing things for our 1:24:13.880 --> 1:24:17.719 union because hell, knows millions of, people if not, billions 1:24:17.760 --> 1:24:18.760 could benefit from. 1:24:18.880 --> 1:24:22.880 Us, yeah every worker an. ORGANIZER i hope that's a 1:24:22.920 --> 1:24:26.000 step we're, taking. RIGHT i hope everyone that joins us 1:24:26.040 --> 1:24:28.800 on this tour is to feel more like an, organizer 1:24:29.240 --> 1:24:32.519 feel more like the, leader and really understand what's going 1:24:32.600 --> 1:24:35.479 on in their workplace and all around the, world because 1:24:35.600 --> 1:24:36.960 that's what we need as we go. 1:24:37.080 --> 1:24:39.680 Forward, yeah but that's a good note to end on 1:24:39.960 --> 1:24:40.720 and thank. 1:24:40.760 --> 1:24:42.800 You thank all of you for coming on the show and. 1:24:42.960 --> 1:24:43.880 Talking thank you so. 1:24:44.000 --> 1:24:47.320 Much, yeah thank you for having us happy. 1:24:47.439 --> 1:24:49.439 Too and hopefully we all get to see each other 1:24:49.880 --> 1:24:52.519 like on the front lines of the class war someday. 1:24:52.600 --> 1:24:55.320 Soon and WHEN i WHEN i say, YOU i mean 1:24:55.479 --> 1:24:58.639 everyone you the listeners, Too, polarity. 1:24:58.600 --> 1:25:02.719 Thank you lovely. Listen, also one cannot be an attention 1:25:02.920 --> 1:25:05.360 wre if no one is there to listen to. 1:25:05.479 --> 1:25:21.599 Her this is it could happen. Here I'm Garrison. DAVIS 1:25:22.360 --> 1:25:27.000 a specter is haunting The United. States last, Year democratic 1:25:27.040 --> 1:25:31.000 Socialist Zorn momdani beat establishment Politician Andrew cuomo in The 1:25:31.080 --> 1:25:34.719 New york mayoral election two, times both in The democratic 1:25:34.800 --> 1:25:39.439 primary and The november. General since, then The Democratic socialists 1:25:39.479 --> 1:25:42.320 Of america have only grown their power In New York, 1:25:42.400 --> 1:25:46.639 City state and The halls Of. Congress Claire valdez Brad 1:25:46.720 --> 1:25:50.680 lander And Diara lisa of Vi La chevalier won their congressional, 1:25:50.760 --> 1:25:55.840 primary unseating Two democrat incumbents and beating one incumbent backed. 1:25:55.920 --> 1:25:59.880 Progressive that same, night Seven New York CITY Dsa Cana 1:26:00.080 --> 1:26:04.040 dates won Their democratic primaries for The State assembly And State, 1:26:04.160 --> 1:26:07.800 senate paving the way to send seven New Democratic socialists 1:26:07.960 --> 1:26:11.640 to The New York State, legislature joining the eight socialists 1:26:11.760 --> 1:26:15.160 already in. Office in, total nine out of the ten 1:26:15.320 --> 1:26:19.800 insurgent candidates on THE NYC dsa slate won their races last, 1:26:19.920 --> 1:26:25.320 month beating sitting incumbents and establishment backed. Candidates When Hakim 1:26:25.400 --> 1:26:28.400 jeffries appeared ON tv at A dsa election night, party 1:26:28.960 --> 1:26:38.400 the crowd chanted your. Next the next morning in The Oval, 1:26:38.439 --> 1:26:43.520 Office President trump commented on THE dsa, Sweep President, trump. 1:26:43.479 --> 1:26:47.560 Great knight For Democratic socialist candidates last night and The 1:26:47.560 --> 1:26:50.519 New york. Primaries they swept and knocked out two. 1:26:50.680 --> 1:26:52.400 Incumbents you're From New. 1:26:52.479 --> 1:26:55.040 York why do you think it is that now the 1:26:55.240 --> 1:26:57.959 endorsement Of Zorn mamdani means. 1:26:57.840 --> 1:26:59.160 More than the endorsement of. 1:26:59.439 --> 1:27:02.120 Hakimja, well they're. 1:27:02.000 --> 1:27:05.040 Going radical left and going really you, know you talk 1:27:05.120 --> 1:27:07.680 about The democrat socialists you. 1:27:07.760 --> 1:27:10.560 Took really it's really a. Communist that's these. PEOPLE i 1:27:10.680 --> 1:27:14.240 watched that woman last. Night that's not a, SOCIALIST i know. 1:27:14.400 --> 1:27:18.479 Socialist that's like that woman is a. Communist just a. 1:27:18.520 --> 1:27:22.160 Week, prior A dsa endorsed candidate won The democratic primary 1:27:22.280 --> 1:27:23.200 in The washington D. 1:27:23.360 --> 1:27:23.960 C mayoral. 1:27:24.000 --> 1:27:27.519 Election and A dsa member won the primary for The 1:27:27.760 --> 1:27:31.400 ward One City council. Seat, then a week after The 1:27:31.520 --> 1:27:36.120 New York city, sweep Another Democratic, Socialist Melot, kiros won 1:27:36.160 --> 1:27:40.240 The democratic primary In colorado's First Congressional house, district unseating 1:27:40.360 --> 1:27:45.519 a thirty year. Incumbent this sequence of wins rattled both 1:27:45.560 --> 1:27:49.160 The democratic establishment as well As trump and THE. Gop 1:27:50.160 --> 1:27:52.840 Here's trump again in The oval office On june twenty. 1:27:52.960 --> 1:27:56.320 Ninth Zara bondani said in an interview this week that 1:27:56.600 --> 1:27:59.839 he was open to being the poster child for socialist. 1:27:59.840 --> 1:28:02.800 Case are you worried about more socialist candidates across THE? 1:28:02.880 --> 1:28:05.200 US i think a big threat to a nation, actually 1:28:06.000 --> 1:28:09.400 because it's not. Socialism it's like. Communism they use the 1:28:09.439 --> 1:28:13.120 word social democrat because it sounds so, nice but it's 1:28:13.160 --> 1:28:15.799 really communism you're talking. ABOUT i think it's the biggest 1:28:15.840 --> 1:28:16.799 threat to a nation. 1:28:18.520 --> 1:28:19.680 There, is maybe since our. 1:28:19.720 --> 1:28:24.280 Founding President trump spent much of The july fourth weekend 1:28:24.360 --> 1:28:28.280 commemorating the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the country attacking. 1:28:28.640 --> 1:28:33.120 Communism these are clips From Trump's america to fifty address 1:28:33.240 --> 1:28:36.479 On july, fourth and other speeches in press. Conferences from 1:28:36.600 --> 1:28:37.120 that same. 1:28:37.240 --> 1:28:40.960 Week communism is a loser and it always will. Be 1:28:42.200 --> 1:28:45.960 the communist system is the opposite of The american, system 1:28:46.040 --> 1:28:50.000 and the communist system has never. Worked our warriors did 1:28:50.120 --> 1:28:53.960 not fight communism on battlefields across the world only to 1:28:54.080 --> 1:28:58.000 have that menace rear its ugly head right back here In. 1:28:58.080 --> 1:29:00.960 America we're not gonna let it, happen because it's like 1:29:01.040 --> 1:29:03.880 a cancer that, spreads and you'd better stop at. First 1:29:04.960 --> 1:29:08.080 we will never let The United states become a communist. 1:29:08.160 --> 1:29:12.040 Country you can be loyal To Karl, marx or you 1:29:12.160 --> 1:29:13.640 can be loyal To. 1:29:13.760 --> 1:29:15.760 America communism's a. 1:29:15.840 --> 1:29:18.920 Disaster it's been proven to be for thousands of, years 1:29:19.000 --> 1:29:21.639 under different, names but the same. Thing there is now 1:29:21.680 --> 1:29:25.320 a resurgence of the communist menace in our, land including 1:29:25.439 --> 1:29:29.519 from newcomers to our country who embrace ideas totally opposed 1:29:29.600 --> 1:29:34.240 to our way of life and our great. Success communism 1:29:34.479 --> 1:29:38.840 is a mortal threat To american. Liberty it is the 1:29:38.920 --> 1:29:43.680 greatest threat to our country Including World war, One World war, 1:29:43.800 --> 1:29:46.479 Two Pearl, harbor or even nine to. 1:29:46.520 --> 1:29:50.799 Eleven as THE dsa has won seats across the, country 1:29:51.280 --> 1:29:55.280 the organization has attracted new members after the twenty twenty 1:29:55.360 --> 1:30:00.400 four presidential, ELECTION dsa had about fifty thousand members. Nationally this, 1:30:00.680 --> 1:30:04.960 MONTH dsa reached over one hundred and twenty thousand, members 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:09.040 a record. High just The New York city chapter alone 1:30:09.200 --> 1:30:13.639 has over fifteen thousand. Members late last, YEAR dsa allocated 1:30:13.680 --> 1:30:17.840 funding to open twenty new offices across the. Country around 1:30:17.920 --> 1:30:22.799 The june, primary the zionist extremist Group Canary mission started 1:30:22.960 --> 1:30:28.479 specifically TARGETING nycdsa with writeups on all ten of the insurgent. 1:30:28.520 --> 1:30:33.479 Candidates Canary mission's ANTI nycdsa article from before the election 1:30:33.720 --> 1:30:37.200 was titled one Thousand zorans don't threaten me with a good. 1:30:37.240 --> 1:30:41.920 Time the article not only attacked THE nycdsa, candidates but 1:30:42.160 --> 1:30:47.559 also highlighted how the organizational structure OF nycdsa has established 1:30:47.640 --> 1:30:50.960 a template for success by running candidates as a whole 1:30:51.040 --> 1:30:54.320 block who can campaign together and then support each other 1:30:54.600 --> 1:31:00.360 once in. Office QUOTE nycdsa elected officials meet week to 1:31:00.439 --> 1:31:04.479 align votes and coordinate. Strategy the machine doesn't. 1:31:04.640 --> 1:31:05.760 Stop in all. 1:31:05.920 --> 1:31:09.280 Caps in a post on X The everything app after 1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:13.840 The june, Primary Canary mission, wrote Quote New York CITY 1:31:13.920 --> 1:31:18.000 dsa is not just, growing it is building the machinery 1:31:18.120 --> 1:31:22.639 to turn radical ideology into political. Power the numbers show 1:31:22.680 --> 1:31:26.799 the scale the LARGEST dsa chapter In, america roughly ninety thousand, 1:31:26.960 --> 1:31:31.880 volunteers hundreds of field, leads a candidate, pipeline and coordination 1:31:32.080 --> 1:31:35.439 that continues after election. Day this is how a movement 1:31:35.600 --> 1:31:40.880 stops looking like protest and starts looking like. Infrastructure New 1:31:40.960 --> 1:31:44.599 york is the testing. Ground the machine is already being. 1:31:44.800 --> 1:31:50.720 Built unquote and, yeah they're. Right basically everything in that 1:31:50.800 --> 1:31:53.800 little quote is one hundred percent. True and that is 1:31:53.880 --> 1:31:58.479 what's making both the liberal and conservative establishment. Nervous on 1:31:58.560 --> 1:32:01.600 the eve Of July Fourthox news ran a segment on 1:32:01.800 --> 1:32:02.360 The Kami. 1:32:02.520 --> 1:32:06.600 Revolution White House Press secretary Of Caroline lovitt joins, Us, 1:32:06.720 --> 1:32:08.320 now The Kammi. 1:32:08.400 --> 1:32:10.320 Revolution, caroline did you ever see this? 1:32:10.439 --> 1:32:13.720 Coming this is not your Granddaddy's Democrat. Party this is 1:32:13.800 --> 1:32:17.240 not the grand Uh Democrat party OF. Jfk this is 1:32:17.320 --> 1:32:21.519 a full blown communist revolution that is taking Over Capitol. 1:32:21.600 --> 1:32:24.040 Hill if these commies get, in they're going to be 1:32:24.120 --> 1:32:27.960 a powerful little. Caucus they're going to hear to blow things. 1:32:28.080 --> 1:32:31.920 Up they're not here to Negotiate pentagon. Funding they want 1:32:32.200 --> 1:32:36.000 Zero pentagon. Funding they're in here to destroy the. Country 1:32:36.240 --> 1:32:38.760 how would the president negotiate with people like. 1:32:38.880 --> 1:32:39.800 That i'm not sure you. 1:32:39.920 --> 1:32:42.000 Can AND i think that's why The president is being 1:32:42.120 --> 1:32:45.679 so bold and warning The american public against this communist 1:32:45.760 --> 1:32:49.200 takeover of The. Democrats and As Ronald reagan perfectly, stated 1:32:49.280 --> 1:32:52.240 freedom is never more than one generation away from. Extinction 1:32:52.560 --> 1:32:55.400 if these communists are given a chance at power here In, WASHINGTON, 1:32:55.479 --> 1:32:59.360 dc if they retake the majority In washington away from The, 1:32:59.400 --> 1:33:01.959 republicans we will be heading down a communist. 1:33:02.040 --> 1:33:06.280 Takeover this concern By Jesse waters Of Fox news was 1:33:06.360 --> 1:33:09.760 also the topic of A axios story from a few 1:33:09.840 --> 1:33:13.400 days after The New york, primary with quotes from quote 1:33:13.439 --> 1:33:18.960 unquote Centrist democrat lawmakers threatening that there's quote unquote going 1:33:19.080 --> 1:33:22.200 to be a war if the new members Of congress 1:33:22.240 --> 1:33:26.120 try to utilize their block to win policy, concessions with 1:33:26.280 --> 1:33:31.920 one lawmaker calling the incoming members quote bomb, throwers not problem. 1:33:32.080 --> 1:33:36.080 Solvers the idea is that if The democrats win a 1:33:36.240 --> 1:33:41.080 Small house majority in the next, election the growing coalition Of, 1:33:41.160 --> 1:33:44.760 democratic socialist and left wing populist lawmakers could leverage their 1:33:45.040 --> 1:33:49.120 needed votes to get concessions from party leadership and wield 1:33:49.160 --> 1:33:53.120 an outsized influence on the. Party in this, Story axios 1:33:53.160 --> 1:33:56.479 wrote that left Wing house reps quote moving on block 1:33:56.600 --> 1:33:59.439 would be able to kill party line votes to get 1:33:59.479 --> 1:34:03.639 their demands, met much like the far Right House Freedom 1:34:03.720 --> 1:34:08.320 caucus has done the past few. Years Progressive Repdila ramirez 1:34:08.760 --> 1:34:11.439 Of illinois is quoted in the piece saying that The 1:34:11.520 --> 1:34:15.600 Congressional Progressive caucus has a quote responsibility to be the 1:34:15.760 --> 1:34:18.640 strongest voter, block to take a stand not for the, 1:34:18.760 --> 1:34:22.280 establishment but for working people who send us to fight 1:34:22.479 --> 1:34:27.480 like hell for. Them threats of war from Centrist democrats 1:34:27.560 --> 1:34:31.400 and cries of communism From Fox news And President trump 1:34:32.160 --> 1:34:35.439 show a real fear of the growing MOMENTUM dsay is, 1:34:35.520 --> 1:34:39.559 having both as an organization and in the ballot, box 1:34:40.360 --> 1:34:43.360 and the fear that this kind of politics won't be 1:34:43.479 --> 1:34:47.200 contained to big cities in blue. States here Is Mam 1:34:47.320 --> 1:34:51.920 donnie being interviewed ON abc shortly after The june, primary. 1:34:51.840 --> 1:34:56.280 And you knocked off Two democratic incumbent members Of. Congress 1:34:57.040 --> 1:34:59.080 is is this like a unique moment In New york 1:34:59.320 --> 1:35:00.679 or is this the beginning of a national? 1:35:00.800 --> 1:35:04.680 MOVEMENT i think we are seeing a hunger that is 1:35:04.800 --> 1:35:07.000 not just felt By New yorkers but frankly By americans 1:35:07.080 --> 1:35:09.599 from coast to coast for a new kind of, politics 1:35:10.080 --> 1:35:11.960 one that puts working people at the heart of. It 1:35:12.280 --> 1:35:14.760 AND i think for far too, long what we as 1:35:14.800 --> 1:35:16.920 a party have been able to say To New yorkers 1:35:16.920 --> 1:35:19.320 who are struggling is simply to explain why they're, struggling 1:35:19.720 --> 1:35:22.360 not actually offer them a vision for how to make life. 1:35:22.400 --> 1:35:26.000 Better and these, Candidates Brad, Daria Liza, claire they ran 1:35:26.160 --> 1:35:29.880 campaigns that spoke to working people and that said life 1:35:29.960 --> 1:35:32.120 in the nation's most expensive city need not be this 1:35:32.200 --> 1:35:34.000 way any. Longer AND i can't wait to have them 1:35:34.000 --> 1:35:34.920 as partners IN dc and. 1:35:34.960 --> 1:35:38.840 Network we'll be right back With Mike johnson after this at. 1:35:38.920 --> 1:35:52.720 Break three days after THE dsa sweep In New, York 1:35:53.120 --> 1:35:56.960 Republican House Speaker Mike johnson gave the keynote address at 1:35:57.000 --> 1:36:02.440 The faith And Freedom. Conference he essentially did free propaganda 1:36:02.680 --> 1:36:02.960 for THE. 1:36:03.080 --> 1:36:07.519 Dsa THE, dsa The Democrat socialists Of america sounds so, 1:36:07.720 --> 1:36:08.599 innocuous doesn't. 1:36:08.640 --> 1:36:09.439 It, no it. 1:36:09.479 --> 1:36:12.800 DOESN'T i will say that this is their. Platform, listen 1:36:12.880 --> 1:36:15.519 this is actually quotes from their platform that they PUBLISHED 1:36:15.560 --> 1:36:18.080 i think about a day or two. Ago you can 1:36:18.120 --> 1:36:20.040 find this on the. Internet, okay here's just a sample 1:36:20.080 --> 1:36:22.519 of what they're. About they put this on. Paper they're 1:36:22.520 --> 1:36:25.599 saying the quiet things out. Loud abolish the Electoral college 1:36:25.640 --> 1:36:27.960 or place the two party system with a multi party. 1:36:28.120 --> 1:36:33.479 Democracy expand The house Of. Representatives implement proportional representation and 1:36:33.720 --> 1:36:40.439 rank choice voting in all. Elections abolish well establish public 1:36:40.520 --> 1:36:44.559 ownership of the largest corporations and essential industries to ensure 1:36:44.680 --> 1:36:46.240 democratic control. 1:36:46.080 --> 1:36:47.400 And accountability to the. 1:36:47.439 --> 1:36:51.160 People abolish ice and grant amnesty for. 1:36:51.320 --> 1:36:54.439 All this isn't the quiet part out. 1:36:54.479 --> 1:36:58.280 Loud this is Democratic socialists of one oh one empowering 1:36:58.439 --> 1:37:01.639 workers by increasing demo credit control of our own government 1:37:01.920 --> 1:37:05.800 and the unaccountable corporations that rule over our. Lives but 1:37:06.000 --> 1:37:07.720 here's more From Mike johnson. 1:37:07.800 --> 1:37:13.439 In sanctions On, Cuba, venezuela And. Iran Free palestine quote 1:37:13.560 --> 1:37:17.360 for a Free palestine With jerusalem as its. Capital end 1:37:17.479 --> 1:37:20.760 all military and economic aid To. Israel PROSECUTE us And 1:37:20.920 --> 1:37:25.519 israeli leaders responsible for the genocide In. Gaza abolish the 1:37:25.760 --> 1:37:31.719 carceral state. Quote redirect police and prison funding to public 1:37:31.920 --> 1:37:35.959 services as steps towards abolishing the carceral forces of the capitalist. 1:37:36.000 --> 1:37:38.959 State y'all it goes on and on and. On defund 1:37:39.040 --> 1:37:42.960 The department Of, war replace The president and The Supreme 1:37:43.040 --> 1:37:47.400 court with an executive and judiciary chosen and subordinate To, 1:37:47.560 --> 1:37:49.879 congress which they're. 1:37:49.680 --> 1:37:50.200 Hoping to take. 1:37:50.240 --> 1:37:52.960 Over and the last one is abolished The. Senate, now 1:37:53.000 --> 1:37:54.400 some of you may agree with. That don't just leave 1:37:54.439 --> 1:37:57.360 that one, There, okay it's, Fine i'm. 1:37:57.439 --> 1:38:01.760 Kidding the fact that the Sitting house speaker felt the 1:38:01.920 --> 1:38:06.799 need to address these proposals signifies a Serious overton windows 1:38:06.840 --> 1:38:11.040 shift and opening up of the conversation on ending in humane, 1:38:11.080 --> 1:38:16.720 sanctions reforming The Supreme, court defunding The, pentagon and abolishing 1:38:16.880 --> 1:38:21.880 the uniquely undemocratic institution of The. Senate will that last 1:38:21.960 --> 1:38:27.599 one happen anytime? Soon probably, Not But Mike johnson apparently 1:38:27.640 --> 1:38:31.960 believes this is a topic worthy of public. Debate this Past, 1:38:32.000 --> 1:38:35.280 Tuesday Mike johnson announced that The pentagon is requesting an 1:38:35.280 --> 1:38:38.160 additional three hundred and fifty billion. 1:38:38.479 --> 1:38:41.160 Dollars you've heard The president talk about how he wants 1:38:41.200 --> 1:38:44.840 to effectively double the funding for national. Events, look we 1:38:44.920 --> 1:38:47.120 live in dangerous time for finding communism on our own, 1:38:47.200 --> 1:38:50.320 chores and we're fighting evil terrorists and tyrants around the. 1:38:50.360 --> 1:38:54.880 World, meanwhile also this Past, TUESDAY dsa released the full 1:38:54.960 --> 1:38:58.280 version of their new national, platform which is What Mike 1:38:58.360 --> 1:39:02.479 johnson was quoting. From this platform is Titled Workers Deserve 1:39:02.640 --> 1:39:06.839 more And beyond What Mike johnson has already helpfully. Outlined 1:39:07.160 --> 1:39:10.680 it also contains paid family leaf for all, workers a 1:39:10.840 --> 1:39:14.599 thirty two hour, workweek a living minimum, wage canceling student, 1:39:14.680 --> 1:39:19.320 debt universal, healthcare building publicly owned social, housing honoring all 1:39:19.479 --> 1:39:24.599 treaties and tribal, sovereignty finishing, reconstruction ending mass incarceration and police, 1:39:24.640 --> 1:39:28.639 immunity a federal jobs, guarantee publicly owned energy and transit, 1:39:28.680 --> 1:39:31.960 infrastructure ending THE us four, machine a Free, palestine ending 1:39:32.000 --> 1:39:37.360 all aid To, israel prosecuting those responsible for the, GAZOGENOCIDE dc, 1:39:37.520 --> 1:39:40.639 statehood getting rid of, lobbyists dark, money and Citizens united 1:39:41.000 --> 1:39:45.240 and publicly financing all, elections while expanding and protecting voter 1:39:45.400 --> 1:39:49.360 rights and ending voter, suppression and of, course ABOLISHING. Ice 1:39:50.200 --> 1:39:52.760 you can read the full platform in more detail at 1:39:52.880 --> 1:39:55.840 program DOT dsausa dot. 1:39:56.040 --> 1:39:56.960 Org i'll link it. 1:39:57.080 --> 1:40:00.800 Below it's not very long and quite easy To it 1:40:00.920 --> 1:40:04.320 starts with a preamble to contextualize the goals of the 1:40:04.479 --> 1:40:08.760 organization and the purpose of an ambitious. Platform in our current, 1:40:08.880 --> 1:40:10.599 Moment i'll quote from. 1:40:10.520 --> 1:40:11.160 A section of that. 1:40:11.280 --> 1:40:15.639 Preamble, now, Quote if we lived in a classless society 1:40:15.720 --> 1:40:18.679 and governed, ourselves we could freely build a world without 1:40:18.800 --> 1:40:21.560 war or. Poverty we could build a world where no 1:40:21.640 --> 1:40:25.280 one suffers for their, race, gender or, religion and everyone is, free, 1:40:25.520 --> 1:40:28.799 equal and cared. For building this world is the guiding 1:40:28.880 --> 1:40:31.759 star of our. Movement when we labor for our common 1:40:31.800 --> 1:40:34.519 good instead of private, profit we can all have a 1:40:34.600 --> 1:40:37.879 secure and dignified life and use our time and talents 1:40:37.960 --> 1:40:41.920 how we. Wish to achieve this, future our class must. 1:40:42.120 --> 1:40:45.679 Organize The Democratic socialist Of america is building a party 1:40:45.760 --> 1:40:49.439 whose goal is a democratic society of the working. Class 1:40:50.080 --> 1:40:53.400 our enemies are not just individual, bosses but the entire 1:40:53.520 --> 1:40:57.040 global system of. Capital not just this or that, cop, 1:40:57.520 --> 1:41:02.160 judge or, president but the entire anti democratic structure of our. 1:41:02.320 --> 1:41:07.200 Society we are workers fighting to transform, society to win 1:41:07.280 --> 1:41:10.920 the battle for, democracy draft a new, constitution and create 1:41:11.080 --> 1:41:15.519 a Democratic Socialist. REPUBLIC dsa has written this program for 1:41:16.000 --> 1:41:19.439 ending capitalist oligarchy and creating a real. Democracy some of 1:41:19.479 --> 1:41:22.720 these demands may be one under our current, system but 1:41:22.840 --> 1:41:25.680 we know complete victory will require building. 1:41:25.400 --> 1:41:27.200 A new society from the ground. 1:41:27.320 --> 1:41:30.400 Up we push these demands to their furthest extent today 1:41:30.960 --> 1:41:34.080 so that we can fight for their fullest realization in 1:41:34.360 --> 1:41:40.320 a socialist. Future, meanwhile let's check in on the. Liberals 1:41:40.880 --> 1:41:44.719 on CNN's state of The, Union Pennsylvania Governor Josh shapiro 1:41:45.040 --> 1:41:47.440 was asked about the RECENT dsa electoral. 1:41:47.560 --> 1:41:53.160 Wins democratic voters In New york chose three candidates back By, 1:41:53.400 --> 1:41:57.240 zorammdani far left And Democratic socialist. 1:41:57.320 --> 1:42:00.240 Candidates what message do you take from that of about 1:42:00.240 --> 1:42:00.880 where your party. 1:42:01.040 --> 1:42:04.640 Is you, know those were races and individual districts in 1:42:04.720 --> 1:42:07.960 a whole other. STATE i think you're seeing very different 1:42:08.000 --> 1:42:12.640 looking congressional races and certainly Different democratic candidates here In. 1:42:13.040 --> 1:42:16.880 Pennsylvania that's an interesting point being made By Governor, shapiro 1:42:17.400 --> 1:42:20.240 who seems to be ignoring the fact that the first 1:42:20.439 --> 1:42:24.600 congressional primary win for A Democratic socialist this year was 1:42:24.800 --> 1:42:29.559 In pennsylvania's third district this Past, May Democratic Socialist Chris 1:42:29.680 --> 1:42:33.360 robb beat a candidate backed by the retiring, incumbent a 1:42:33.439 --> 1:42:37.200 candidate who compared calling the genocide In gaza a genocide 1:42:37.680 --> 1:42:41.400 to saying the n, Word but Jos shapiro is not 1:42:41.479 --> 1:42:44.479 the only one trying to argue that DSA's success is 1:42:44.880 --> 1:42:47.880 limited to places Like New. York londons have been saying 1:42:47.920 --> 1:42:50.800 the same thing ever Since mamdani won the primary over 1:42:50.920 --> 1:42:54.720 a year, ago but following The slate sweep last, month 1:42:55.320 --> 1:42:59.360 Some democratic lawmakers have tried to minimize the increasing trend 1:42:59.439 --> 1:43:03.960 of socialist candidates beating both moderate and sometimes even progressive. 1:43:04.080 --> 1:43:06.880 Politicians the reaction From democrats has been. 1:43:06.960 --> 1:43:12.439 Something you've had some Prominent democrats dismissive of what happened. 1:43:12.479 --> 1:43:15.799 HERE i, mean you Had Senator blumenthal say the effort 1:43:15.840 --> 1:43:18.479 to Nationalize New york is going to. Fail what happened 1:43:18.479 --> 1:43:21.840 In New york will be really irrelevant by the time 1:43:22.240 --> 1:43:25.240 of the elections In. November Jakeem jeffreys basically said the same, 1:43:25.360 --> 1:43:28.519 thing saying that this is not indicative of what needs 1:43:28.560 --> 1:43:28.920 to happen In. 1:43:29.000 --> 1:43:30.120 November what do you make of? 1:43:30.200 --> 1:43:33.760 That you, KNOW i think that when you Ask americans 1:43:33.800 --> 1:43:37.640 what they're feeling in this, moment amidst reports of an 1:43:37.680 --> 1:43:41.880 economated strengthening of stock market that's, booming you will hear 1:43:42.360 --> 1:43:45.040 an exhaustion and having to try and make ends meet 1:43:45.600 --> 1:43:48.479 every single, day every single, week every single, month and 1:43:48.560 --> 1:43:51.160 that it's getting harder and, harder and so a message 1:43:51.160 --> 1:43:54.120 of fighting for working. People we don't have to nationalize that. 1:43:54.200 --> 1:43:57.320 Message that is a national, message the national. Crisis and 1:43:57.439 --> 1:43:59.800 for far too, long all we've had to say is 1:43:59.800 --> 1:44:03.080 a party is opposition to the current. 1:44:03.120 --> 1:44:05.559 Administration what do we have to say beyond? 1:44:05.640 --> 1:44:08.040 That and what these candidates offer is a vision that 1:44:08.160 --> 1:44:11.000 extends beyond the, Midterms it extends beyond twenty twenty. Eight 1:44:11.280 --> 1:44:13.240 it speaks to what makes so many of us proud 1:44:13.280 --> 1:44:15.639 to Be. Democrats it speaks to a vision that goes 1:44:15.760 --> 1:44:18.719 back to a new deal understanding of what working people. 1:44:18.800 --> 1:44:20.960 Deserve And i'll tell you, that for too, long that 1:44:21.040 --> 1:44:23.320 kind of politics you can only find it in history, 1:44:23.360 --> 1:44:24.880 books and we need to bring it back to the present. 1:44:24.960 --> 1:44:30.639 Day ON, Cnn joshapiro addressed his disagreements with one particular 1:44:30.720 --> 1:44:35.400 candidate In New, York, chevalier, saying, quote her district voted for, 1:44:35.479 --> 1:44:39.280 her BUT i have profound differences from that particular, candidate 1:44:39.680 --> 1:44:42.360 and she's not someone who SEEMINGLY i would agree with 1:44:42.520 --> 1:44:45.880 on many, things or that we share similar. Values she 1:44:46.080 --> 1:44:48.640 ran on The democratic. TICKET i guess she is a. 1:44:48.720 --> 1:44:52.400 Socialist her voters in that district determined that she was 1:44:52.479 --> 1:44:54.200 the one they wanted representing. 1:44:54.280 --> 1:44:57.080 HER i think what is important are the people who 1:44:57.160 --> 1:45:00.479 are making a lot in no, wise who're engaged in 1:45:00.600 --> 1:45:04.120 these performative, politics have to now figure out how to deliver. 1:45:04.479 --> 1:45:07.200 Results it's one thing to speak in platitudes during a. 1:45:07.280 --> 1:45:10.360 Campaign it's a whole other thing to actually deliver for 1:45:10.520 --> 1:45:14.639 people who are genuinely, hurting who genuinely need to see 1:45:15.360 --> 1:45:19.160 cost of living go, down meaning their ability to make ends, 1:45:19.280 --> 1:45:22.920 meet you, know go, up fixing a broken healthcare, system 1:45:23.040 --> 1:45:26.920 raining in, excesses being able to give people the promise 1:45:26.960 --> 1:45:29.599 of liberty that we've talked. ABOUT i think we as 1:45:29.680 --> 1:45:33.280 a party need to find our way toward candidates who 1:45:33.400 --> 1:45:36.280 actually can deliver for people and make their lives. 1:45:36.360 --> 1:45:41.280 Better i'm curious Who shapiro thinks such candidates may, be 1:45:41.840 --> 1:45:45.120 because the twenty twenty four election showed that voters lost 1:45:45.160 --> 1:45:48.760 faith That National dems could deliver any of those, Things 1:45:49.400 --> 1:45:54.479 whereas in just six, Months Democratic Socialist Zora mamdani delivered free, 1:45:54.600 --> 1:45:57.600 childcare a two year rent, freeze a new plan to 1:45:57.680 --> 1:46:01.360 make buses, faster all well balance the budget and overcoming 1:46:01.439 --> 1:46:04.479 a twelve billion dollar deficit left By Eric. 1:46:04.520 --> 1:46:07.000 Adams we don't have to ask ourselves what life looks 1:46:07.040 --> 1:46:10.040 like if a socialist. WINS i won Last, november and 1:46:10.200 --> 1:46:12.479 over the course of these last six, months what we've 1:46:12.520 --> 1:46:14.640 delivered for working people are the very things we were 1:46:14.680 --> 1:46:18.320 told were. Impossible we've delivered free childcare for two year 1:46:18.320 --> 1:46:20.040 olds for the first time In New York city. History 1:46:20.360 --> 1:46:23.800 we've delivered tens of millions of dollars back to tenants 1:46:23.800 --> 1:46:26.759 who were taken advantage of by bad. Landlords we've delivered 1:46:27.120 --> 1:46:30.080 one hundred and sixty five thousand potholes being. Paved and 1:46:30.200 --> 1:46:33.200 we've done all of these things while also delivering the 1:46:33.240 --> 1:46:35.800 lowest recorded crime in our city's. History that's what it 1:46:35.840 --> 1:46:38.240 looks like to have democratic. Socialism and what you're seeing 1:46:38.640 --> 1:46:41.080 is That New yorkers experienced this for six months and 1:46:41.160 --> 1:46:42.800 made the decision that they wanted to see more of 1:46:42.880 --> 1:46:44.120 it on the national stage as. 1:46:44.160 --> 1:46:48.080 Well Governor shapiro has said The Democratic party is going 1:46:48.160 --> 1:46:52.280 through quote a battle over what we believe in, unquote 1:46:53.000 --> 1:46:56.960 AND i think that's. True but moderates can never seem 1:46:57.040 --> 1:47:01.360 to really express what they believe in opposition to Both 1:47:01.479 --> 1:47:05.479 trump and The Democratic. Socialists, Meanwhile momdani is on the 1:47:05.520 --> 1:47:08.920 news clearly articulating what he believes in and why the 1:47:09.040 --> 1:47:10.360 party should believe in it. 1:47:10.640 --> 1:47:13.000 TOO i think it has to stand for working, people 1:47:13.200 --> 1:47:14.760 AND i think it has to be willing to fight 1:47:14.920 --> 1:47:16.960 for working. People AND i think that there are some 1:47:17.720 --> 1:47:21.680 who are offended by the prospect of a party that 1:47:21.880 --> 1:47:24.040 knows who it fights for and goes every day to 1:47:24.080 --> 1:47:26.519 work for, that because what we've seen over many years 1:47:27.280 --> 1:47:30.360 is a willingness to not only explain away the status, 1:47:30.439 --> 1:47:33.240 quo but frankly even to look to benefit from the status. 1:47:33.320 --> 1:47:35.720 Quo and that's not what working people are looking for 1:47:35.920 --> 1:47:36.240 from our. 1:47:36.280 --> 1:47:38.479 Party can A Democratic socialists get elected? 1:47:38.520 --> 1:47:41.960 PRESIDENT i think A Democratic socialist can get elected anywhere 1:47:42.000 --> 1:47:44.000 across this country for any. Position WHAT i think we 1:47:44.080 --> 1:47:45.960 need to bring is a focus on working. 1:47:45.840 --> 1:47:48.560 People and that's the direction that the party should go. 1:47:48.640 --> 1:47:50.280 In and in terms of a selecting a candidate for 1:47:50.360 --> 1:47:51.519 twenty twenty, EIGHT i think. 1:47:51.439 --> 1:47:54.160 The direction that the party should go in is how 1:47:54.240 --> 1:47:56.080 best to fight for working. PEOPLE i think we need 1:47:56.160 --> 1:47:59.360 to have a platform and a vision that doesn't sound 1:47:59.400 --> 1:48:02.080 as if it was cooked up by, consultants but instead 1:48:02.160 --> 1:48:04.559 one that you would say in response to someone who's 1:48:04.560 --> 1:48:06.600 asking why CAN'T i afford my? Rent why CAN'T i 1:48:06.600 --> 1:48:09.120 afford my? Groceries why CAN'T i afford my? Childcare we 1:48:09.240 --> 1:48:12.200 need to make clear who we stand, for how we're 1:48:12.240 --> 1:48:12.840 going to stand for. 1:48:12.880 --> 1:48:14.519 Them and that we're actually willing to fight for them 1:48:14.600 --> 1:48:15.280 when the going gets. 1:48:15.320 --> 1:48:18.960 Tough as Red scare style rhetoric has surged on the, 1:48:19.080 --> 1:48:22.720 right we've begun to see more Establishment dems team up 1:48:22.800 --> 1:48:26.840 with conservative media And republican politicians in trying to take 1:48:26.920 --> 1:48:31.240 down THE dsa to protect their shared class. Interests this 1:48:31.520 --> 1:48:34.240 was already happening throughout The New york mayor oal race last, 1:48:34.320 --> 1:48:37.519 year eventually leading To trump Endorsing Andrew cuomo on the 1:48:37.600 --> 1:48:40.960 eve of the. Election but as THE dsa keeps building 1:48:41.040 --> 1:48:44.360 power and winning races across the, country so too will 1:48:44.439 --> 1:48:49.679 this bipartisan ruling class alliance continue to. Spread late last, 1:48:49.760 --> 1:48:53.880 Month democratic Advisor James carville went On Fox news to 1:48:54.000 --> 1:48:58.120 discuss the danger of democratic socialism and the possibility of 1:48:58.160 --> 1:49:02.519 a party. Schism Then fox has been airing clips Of 1:49:02.640 --> 1:49:06.160 carville's own podcast where he attacks THE dsa. 1:49:05.960 --> 1:49:08.719 Socialism surge is threating to shake up The Democratic. Party 1:49:08.800 --> 1:49:11.560 big wins From mondani backed candidates In New york this 1:49:11.720 --> 1:49:15.240 week just the latest for The Democratic socialists Of. America 1:49:15.360 --> 1:49:19.479 Veteran democratic Strategist James carville says it could be time to. 1:49:19.600 --> 1:49:25.519 SPLIT i actually do think it's time For democrats to 1:49:25.680 --> 1:49:27.240 talk THE s, word skiss. 1:49:27.280 --> 1:49:32.559 THEM i really. Do everybody's always, said, no, no we were. 1:49:32.720 --> 1:49:35.840 Coalition we're a big temp and as there's just some 1:49:36.280 --> 1:49:37.599 THAT i can't be in the same camp. 1:49:37.680 --> 1:49:41.160 With later in that, Segment fox brought on a quote 1:49:41.240 --> 1:49:45.679 Unquote democratic strategist who worked Under Andrew cuomo to rail 1:49:45.800 --> 1:49:48.040 against socialists trying to hijack the. 1:49:48.160 --> 1:49:50.800 Party, now, Listen i've been saying this for the last 1:49:50.960 --> 1:49:53.000 several months and trying to sound the alarm on. 1:49:53.120 --> 1:49:56.280 This these people are Not. Democrats they are. 1:49:56.520 --> 1:50:00.080 Socialists and what they've done is they have, strategically in 1:50:00.120 --> 1:50:02.639 the last ten, years Since burny did his run in twenty, 1:50:02.760 --> 1:50:06.000 sixteen come up with a strategy in order to take 1:50:06.120 --> 1:50:09.320 over The Democratic. Party they very, organize they've been working 1:50:09.400 --> 1:50:12.760 on the local. Level but make no, mistake these are Not. 1:50:13.200 --> 1:50:16.360 Democrats they fundamentally do not believe in the same things 1:50:16.439 --> 1:50:19.559 as far as public, safety as far as the seizure 1:50:19.680 --> 1:50:24.000 of private, property as far as celebrating terrorism and stoking Anti, 1:50:24.080 --> 1:50:27.559 semitism and so, yes big. Tent we've always been. 1:50:27.479 --> 1:50:29.400 A big tant no to hijack. 1:50:29.520 --> 1:50:32.360 Tent and the reality is they should start their own 1:50:32.479 --> 1:50:34.640 party and run, there but they know that won't be, 1:50:34.720 --> 1:50:36.960 successful so they're trying to take over hours and. 1:50:37.000 --> 1:50:37.320 It is a. 1:50:37.520 --> 1:50:41.680 Disaster as already, mentioned Moderate democrats in The house are 1:50:41.720 --> 1:50:46.360 threatening quote unquote, war and high Level Democratic party figures 1:50:46.400 --> 1:50:50.639 have been airing frustrations THAT dsa candidates are benefiting from 1:50:50.760 --> 1:50:54.600 running on The democratic ballot line while seeking to fundamentally 1:50:54.800 --> 1:50:58.320 change the nature of the party. Itself former chair of THE, 1:50:58.400 --> 1:51:02.280 Dnc Jamie harrison, wrote, QUOTE i say this with no 1:51:02.479 --> 1:51:06.240 ill will or. Animosity if you hate The Democratic, party 1:51:06.680 --> 1:51:10.720 then please don't run for our. Nomination don't use our, 1:51:10.840 --> 1:51:15.240 resources don't rely on our, volunteers don't use our, infrastructure 1:51:15.560 --> 1:51:18.920 don't Ask democrats to invest their, time money and energy 1:51:19.040 --> 1:51:22.639 into your. Campaign focus on building the party you actually. 1:51:22.720 --> 1:51:26.679 Support political parties aren't, perfect but they're built by millions 1:51:26.720 --> 1:51:30.439 of people who, knockdoors make, calls organize, meetings and fight 1:51:30.560 --> 1:51:33.519 for the values they believe. In if you don't believe 1:51:33.560 --> 1:51:36.320 in the, party then don't ask its members to carry 1:51:36.360 --> 1:51:40.839 you across the finish line. Unquote something That Jamie harrison 1:51:40.880 --> 1:51:44.200 seems to not quite, comprehend which makes sense considering is 1:51:44.200 --> 1:51:47.240 the former chair of THE dnc Under Joe, Biden Kamala, 1:51:47.280 --> 1:51:51.000 harris is that party nominees are supposed to be chosen 1:51:51.120 --> 1:51:55.880 by the, voters not party, elites and These Democratic socialist 1:51:55.920 --> 1:52:00.960 candidates are winning primaries despite strong option position from the 1:52:01.080 --> 1:52:05.280 State democratic, parties entrenched political machines in city, government and 1:52:05.640 --> 1:52:11.000 national establishment. Forces THE dsa has to outorganize The democratic 1:52:11.120 --> 1:52:14.840 establishment and overcome the power of corporate money just to 1:52:14.920 --> 1:52:18.479 get on The democratic ballot line In. November of, course 1:52:18.560 --> 1:52:22.719 IF dsa candidates ran third, party then people Like Jamie 1:52:22.760 --> 1:52:26.799 harrison would just claim that they're spoiler candidates helping THE gop. 1:52:27.040 --> 1:52:31.080 Win there's no satisfying these. People they just have to be. 1:52:31.240 --> 1:52:36.479 Beaten vice chair of The Manhattan Democratic, Party Mariama james 1:52:37.080 --> 1:52:40.880 smeared ALL dsa members as having a quote unquote white 1:52:40.960 --> 1:52:46.240 supremacist mindset after she lost the primary For State Assembly 1:52:46.280 --> 1:52:49.120 district sixty five In chinatown and The Lower East side 1:52:49.560 --> 1:52:54.800 TO dsa Candidate iyappa Syrit. Pak in this same election, 1:52:54.960 --> 1:52:59.000 cycle THE adl And Congressman Josh gotttheimer Attacked mamdani for 1:52:59.320 --> 1:53:02.559 referring to dark money super packs like apak as quote 1:53:02.600 --> 1:53:06.439 unquote monsters in reference to The grams sheet quote the 1:53:06.600 --> 1:53:09.280 old world is dying and the new world struggles to be. 1:53:09.400 --> 1:53:10.760 Born now is the time of. 1:53:10.880 --> 1:53:15.360 Monsters THE adl And Congressman gotttheimer claimed that both dark 1:53:15.479 --> 1:53:20.839 money and the word monster invoked Anti semitic. Tropes, meanwhile 1:53:21.000 --> 1:53:25.400 senior advisor To Adriano, espayot chair of The Congressional Spanic, 1:53:25.439 --> 1:53:30.479 caucus who is up Against, chevalier weaponized Anti haitian animus Towards, 1:53:30.640 --> 1:53:35.120 chevalier who Is Afro, latina and on A spanish language, 1:53:35.160 --> 1:53:39.439 podcast spiat's senior advisor said That mamdani wanted to change 1:53:39.479 --> 1:53:43.040 the demographics of The Washington heights neighborhood In Upper manhattan 1:53:43.400 --> 1:53:46.240 by making it quote no longer be a bastion of 1:53:46.360 --> 1:53:51.160 The dominican, community but instead a bastion of The Haitian muslim. 1:53:51.240 --> 1:53:57.400 Community allied to him. Unquote Congressman Josh gottheimer responded to 1:53:57.439 --> 1:54:01.160 the DSA's victory in The democratic primary by continuing to 1:54:01.280 --> 1:54:07.480 attack the Now democratic nominees and released a centrist manifesto rebuking. 1:54:07.600 --> 1:54:11.000 Communism do you, say Asked Mayor Mum donnie about the 1:54:11.080 --> 1:54:14.760 manifesto and The democratic politicians Like gotttheimer who claimed that 1:54:15.000 --> 1:54:16.120 socialists can't be. 1:54:16.240 --> 1:54:20.760 Democrats Josh, gottheimer A democratic member Of, congress, says many 1:54:20.840 --> 1:54:21.800 of us believe as DO. 1:54:21.960 --> 1:54:24.280 I if you're a, socialist you are not A. 1:54:24.479 --> 1:54:27.040 Democrat and in, fact they put out a manifesto. 1:54:27.120 --> 1:54:28.000 Today have you seen this? 1:54:28.080 --> 1:54:29.280 Thing sounds pretty socialist to. 1:54:29.320 --> 1:54:30.719 Me it's not a communist. 1:54:30.760 --> 1:54:36.240 Manifesto it's a moderate manifesto saying we are capitalists and not. 1:54:36.400 --> 1:54:40.480 Socialists we believe in a, growing fair and competitive, economy, entrepreneurship. 1:54:40.600 --> 1:54:42.280 OWNERSHIP i mean this is a direct. 1:54:42.360 --> 1:54:43.760 Response they've made it clear. 1:54:44.040 --> 1:54:45.400 To what you did here On. 1:54:45.560 --> 1:54:48.000 Tuesday, WELL i, mean you, know that's, Great but what's 1:54:48.040 --> 1:54:49.920 a party if not its. Voters And i'm proud to 1:54:49.960 --> 1:54:51.360 sit in front of you as the mayor of our, 1:54:51.440 --> 1:54:54.240 city having received more than a million votes a little 1:54:54.280 --> 1:54:57.600 over a little less than a year. Ago and when 1:54:57.640 --> 1:55:00.840 we're talking about these incredible congressional can the dates they 1:55:01.000 --> 1:55:03.320 won their races and they won their races with the 1:55:03.400 --> 1:55:05.720 vision of what politics should be and one that actually 1:55:06.000 --> 1:55:08.080 speaks to working people and for a lot of people 1:55:08.120 --> 1:55:11.520 who ask themselves what does democratic socialism? Mean and you 1:55:11.560 --> 1:55:13.960 can tell them the. Answer at a theoretical, level it's 1:55:14.000 --> 1:55:16.600 the choice to extend democracy from the ballot box the 1:55:16.680 --> 1:55:18.480 rest of their. Lives but in terms of what it, 1:55:18.600 --> 1:55:21.240 means over these last seven, months we've seen a city 1:55:21.760 --> 1:55:23.880 with democratic socialist principles at the heart of. 1:55:23.960 --> 1:55:27.760 It within our, administration we will return to discuss how 1:55:28.000 --> 1:55:32.480 communists And Miss rachel are teaming up to Destroy america 1:55:33.160 --> 1:55:48.000 after this ad. Break Last, Saturday Fox news write a 1:55:48.040 --> 1:55:52.840 story about the DSA's new national, Platform Workers Deserve. More 1:55:53.280 --> 1:55:53.880 let's take a. 1:55:53.960 --> 1:55:58.600 Listen Fox news has obtained documents from The Democratic socialists 1:55:58.600 --> 1:56:02.280 Of america revealing the group's updated, platform which is even 1:56:02.360 --> 1:56:05.960 more radical than. Before now they plan to release this next. 1:56:06.000 --> 1:56:06.600 Week listen to. 1:56:06.680 --> 1:56:11.320 This The United States senate eliminated gone The president and 1:56:11.400 --> 1:56:15.920 The Supreme court replaced The department Of, war defunded all 1:56:16.240 --> 1:56:18.920 immigrants given. Amnesty that is the. 1:56:19.000 --> 1:56:22.560 Plan the rest of The fox report tried to PAINT 1:56:22.640 --> 1:56:27.560 dsa as being driven by, Anarchists, marxists and crazy communists 1:56:27.600 --> 1:56:31.360 who want to destroy the. Country the report highlighted a 1:56:31.400 --> 1:56:35.200 few of the niche caucuses WITHIN dsa that focus on anti, 1:56:35.240 --> 1:56:38.400 imperialism promote anti, electoralism. 1:56:38.120 --> 1:56:40.120 And explicitly push. 1:56:40.560 --> 1:56:45.000 Communism later on in this, segment Former White House Deputy 1:56:45.080 --> 1:56:48.880 chief Of staff And trump's current top electoral Advisor James 1:56:48.920 --> 1:56:52.400 blair joined the program to discuss the communist. 1:56:52.480 --> 1:56:54.080 Menace, james this is. 1:56:54.080 --> 1:56:55.840 What you're up against in the, midterms and we keep 1:56:55.840 --> 1:56:58.000 hearing it's A New york, problem except here we. Go 1:56:58.160 --> 1:57:02.280 there ARE dsa candidates In, Missouri, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida New. 1:57:02.360 --> 1:57:04.920 Hampshire so what is your plan to defeat these? 1:57:05.000 --> 1:57:06.960 Radicals, WELL i think. 1:57:06.840 --> 1:57:09.200 We just have to bring their issues to The american, 1:57:09.240 --> 1:57:11.200 people and The american people are going to reject. Them 1:57:11.800 --> 1:57:14.880 let's talk about the views that they're actually espousing and 1:57:14.960 --> 1:57:16.160 what they want to bring to the. 1:57:16.240 --> 1:57:18.040 Country you said it as they say in their. 1:57:18.080 --> 1:57:22.600 Documents or all amnesty for all illegal, immigrants no deportations at, 1:57:22.600 --> 1:57:23.400 all not even the. 1:57:23.480 --> 1:57:26.840 Criminals let me, think when was the last time an 1:57:27.080 --> 1:57:31.240 unpopular incumbent party failed to address eCOM issues affecting working 1:57:31.240 --> 1:57:33.800 class voters and just tried to hold onto power by 1:57:33.920 --> 1:57:37.840 fear mongering about the opposition's. Platform oh, yeah twenty twenty, 1:57:37.920 --> 1:57:42.120 four when The democrats tried and failed spectacularly to campaign 1:57:42.160 --> 1:57:46.040 on Stopping project twenty twenty. Five but now the tables 1:57:46.040 --> 1:57:49.400 are turned so by all, means Mister, blair don't try 1:57:49.440 --> 1:57:53.080 to offer an actual alternative platform that improves workers'. Lives 1:57:53.520 --> 1:57:57.120 just tell them all about the DSA's platform, instead especially 1:57:57.240 --> 1:58:00.240 When ice is historically unpopular and hint seen to not 1:58:00.400 --> 1:58:04.360 murder someone every, Week believe it or. Not This Fox 1:58:04.480 --> 1:58:08.839 news segment actually ended by talking about the threat posed 1:58:08.920 --> 1:58:13.880 by evil far left communist and children's educational YouTuber Miss. 1:58:14.080 --> 1:58:17.600 Rachel let's remind our viewers Who Miss rachel. Is if 1:58:17.640 --> 1:58:19.320 your kids do not watch her like, mine do not 1:58:19.400 --> 1:58:33.280 This Miss. Rachel are you guys afraid to take On Miss? 1:58:33.400 --> 1:58:37.640 RACHEL i would love to take On Miss. Rachel it'll 1:58:37.640 --> 1:58:39.160 be the end of her, show which would be a 1:58:39.240 --> 1:58:41.880 service To. America my kids AND i have four under 1:58:41.920 --> 1:58:44.080 the age of. Six they also don't watch. Her she's 1:58:44.160 --> 1:58:47.760 radically far. Left her show is really about indoctrinating, children and, 1:58:47.880 --> 1:58:49.640 honestly if that's the fight we have to, Have i'm 1:58:49.640 --> 1:58:50.400 happy to have it no. 1:58:50.520 --> 1:58:51.680 Problem we will beat her like a. 1:58:51.760 --> 1:58:55.000 Drum, yeah that sure sounds like a message that will 1:58:55.120 --> 1:58:59.280 resonate with. Voters data For progress ran a survey last 1:58:59.360 --> 1:59:03.640 month asking for two thousand likely voters what actors are 1:59:03.960 --> 1:59:08.600 most harmful to our society and the. Economy At number 1:59:08.680 --> 1:59:15.080 one was, billionaires number two corporate, landlords three, sports, gambling 1:59:15.520 --> 1:59:21.040 four artificial, intelligence and five. Cryptocurrency The Republican party was 1:59:21.080 --> 1:59:24.480 found to be the seventh most harmful and The Democratic 1:59:24.560 --> 1:59:28.840 party was the. Ninth, so despite popular opposition to things 1:59:28.880 --> 1:59:33.320 THAT dsa candidates are specifically trying to, Address trump seems 1:59:33.360 --> 1:59:36.800 to believe that just screaming communism will stymy the growth 1:59:36.920 --> 1:59:41.080 of democratic socialism and scare voters away from voting in 1:59:41.320 --> 1:59:41.920 their class. 1:59:42.080 --> 1:59:46.440 Interest liberal became so, tarnished but now it's. Communists you, 1:59:46.480 --> 1:59:49.680 know they say social. Democrats no social democrat is a, 1:59:49.760 --> 1:59:52.080 communist all, right you, see and then say there's No 1:59:52.280 --> 1:59:54.240 so if you look at the people that are, running 1:59:54.280 --> 1:59:57.560 it's crazy what they're. Doing but we will we'll never 1:59:57.720 --> 1:59:59.920 let that happen to this. Country can't happen to the Count. 2:00:00.920 --> 2:00:02.280 Canada there's no appetite for. 2:00:02.400 --> 2:00:07.080 It if there's no appetite for. It how Come Bernie 2:00:07.120 --> 2:00:10.840 sanders And Zorn mamdani are the two most popular sitting 2:00:10.960 --> 2:00:15.680 politicians in the. Country how come one in Ten mamdnni 2:00:15.760 --> 2:00:20.200 voters voted For trump in twenty twenty. Four that's over 2:00:20.280 --> 2:00:23.400 one hundred thousand voters who Backed trump and then a 2:00:23.560 --> 2:00:27.520 year later voted For. Mamdanni candidates Like zoron are not 2:00:27.680 --> 2:00:30.880 just appealing to a sizable portion of people who Voted, 2:00:30.920 --> 2:00:35.440 trump but are also pulling in new voters who, might 2:00:35.520 --> 2:00:38.600 for the first time in their, lives actually have something 2:00:38.720 --> 2:00:41.960 to vote. For In New York, city around two hundred 2:00:42.000 --> 2:00:45.080 and sixty thousand people registered to vote in twenty twenty, 2:00:45.200 --> 2:00:48.840 five more than double that of the last mayoral election 2:00:49.280 --> 2:00:53.080 in twenty twenty. One almost two thirds of those new 2:00:53.200 --> 2:00:56.800 voters were under the age of. THIRTY A cato pull 2:00:56.880 --> 2:01:00.480 from Late june found that among millennials, fifth twenty percent 2:01:00.600 --> 2:01:05.040 were favorable towards, capitalism but forty percent were favorable to 2:01:05.320 --> 2:01:10.600 socialism and twenty nine percent were favorable towards. Communism these 2:01:10.640 --> 2:01:14.360 percentages total over one hundred because this was a multiple choice, 2:01:14.520 --> 2:01:18.280 selection but the numbers among gen z are even more. 2:01:18.320 --> 2:01:22.600 Striking according to This cato, poll fifty three percent of 2:01:22.840 --> 2:01:28.160 GEN z respondents were favorable towards, socialism forty five percent to, 2:01:28.360 --> 2:01:33.400 capitalism and thirty eight percent to. Communism The New York 2:01:33.480 --> 2:01:37.000 times ran an article this Past tuesday about how support 2:01:37.120 --> 2:01:41.880 FOR nycdsa candidates in the last election was not divided by, 2:01:42.040 --> 2:01:46.240 race but rather by, age with older voters tending to 2:01:46.320 --> 2:01:52.280 support establishment candidates while younger voters backed insurgent. CHALLENGERS A 2:01:52.400 --> 2:01:55.360 yugov poll From june twenty ninth showed that the favorability 2:01:55.400 --> 2:01:59.240 of socialism was at fifty eight percent Among democrats and 2:01:59.440 --> 2:02:05.120 just eleven percent. Unfavorable among, independents socialism was thirty four 2:02:05.160 --> 2:02:10.200 percent unfavorable to thirty percent, favorable and Among republicans seventy 2:02:10.240 --> 2:02:15.480 one percent unfavorable to eleven percent. Favorable An echelon poll 2:02:15.520 --> 2:02:19.040 from Early july asked democrats should THE dsa have a 2:02:19.240 --> 2:02:23.680 larger or smaller influence on The Democratic party than they currently. 2:02:23.880 --> 2:02:27.680 Do forty six percent Of democrats said THE dsa should 2:02:27.720 --> 2:02:32.440 have a larger, influence twenty one percent said, smaller and 2:02:32.680 --> 2:02:38.560 thirty three percent were. Unsure following the DSA's congressional victories last, 2:02:38.600 --> 2:02:41.720 month there have been multiple think pieces in The atlantic 2:02:41.800 --> 2:02:45.200 about how THE dsa has gotten too radical and abandoned 2:02:45.200 --> 2:02:49.960 its social democratic, roots and how quote Unquote democrats became 2:02:50.080 --> 2:02:53.600 great by fighting the left in the postwar, period when 2:02:53.720 --> 2:02:58.280 liberals fought off a communist incursion into The Democratic party 2:02:58.400 --> 2:03:02.880 led By Henry, wallace former vice president TO. Fdr an 2:03:02.880 --> 2:03:06.160 opinion piece in The Washington post penned by the president 2:03:06.280 --> 2:03:09.880 and executive vice president of the centrist think Tank Third 2:03:10.000 --> 2:03:15.120 way argued that quote DSA's radicalism makes it not a 2:03:15.240 --> 2:03:19.000 faction to be, appeased but a movement to be. Opposed 2:03:19.680 --> 2:03:23.720 they insist that democratic socialist ideas are quote unquote electoral, 2:03:23.880 --> 2:03:28.200 poison and claim that quote far left governance has also 2:03:28.320 --> 2:03:33.040 been a, failure while ignoring the biggest most recent example 2:03:33.320 --> 2:03:37.480 of far left Governance New York. City on first, glance 2:03:37.640 --> 2:03:41.520 this piece in The Washington post presents a contradictory problem 2:03:42.240 --> 2:03:46.960 THAT dsa will Hand republicans perfect attack ad fodder that 2:03:47.040 --> 2:03:52.040 will Tank democrats electoral, chances especially in swing. States but 2:03:52.320 --> 2:03:55.480 on the other, hand they believe the biggest threat posed 2:03:55.520 --> 2:03:59.080 BY dsa is that their candidates are continuing to win 2:03:59.200 --> 2:04:03.680 elections and may thus transform the makeup of The Democratic, 2:04:03.840 --> 2:04:07.840 party or as the author's, right the DSA's commitment is 2:04:07.880 --> 2:04:12.240 to quote hallowing out The Democratic party from within by 2:04:12.520 --> 2:04:16.720 primarying Sitting democrats and replacing them with quote unquote ideological. 2:04:16.840 --> 2:04:21.680 Zealots to this, point the authors directly compare dsay's wave 2:04:21.760 --> 2:04:25.680 of success to The Republican Tea party movement from around 2:04:25.720 --> 2:04:29.720 twenty ten that reshaped THE gop and set the stage 2:04:29.800 --> 2:04:33.920 For trump to come rolling in and slingshot The republicans into. 2:04:34.080 --> 2:04:37.760 Power they wrote that for years The Tea party quote 2:04:38.280 --> 2:04:43.520 looked like self. Sabotage then a charismatic outsider, arrived harnessed 2:04:43.560 --> 2:04:47.480 the energy The Tea party, fomented and took over The Republican. 2:04:47.560 --> 2:04:51.600 Party democrats who assume a takeover can't happen have learned 2:04:51.640 --> 2:04:54.840 nothing from the death of The party Of. Reagan THE 2:04:54.960 --> 2:04:58.800 dsay is building a left wing ideological movement waiting for 2:04:58.920 --> 2:05:04.960 its standard bearer. Unquote so THE dsa is both electoral 2:05:05.080 --> 2:05:09.280 poison but also risks being so popular and so successful 2:05:09.720 --> 2:05:14.000 that democratic socialism could take over The Democratic. Party despite 2:05:14.040 --> 2:05:17.800 all the concern, trolling the author's real fear isn't that 2:05:18.240 --> 2:05:22.440 DSA's radical rhetoric will Sabotage democrats' ability to win, elections 2:05:23.040 --> 2:05:26.560 but that the DSA's recent victories could very well lead 2:05:26.800 --> 2:05:30.600 to A Democratic party with workers at the, forefront and 2:05:30.920 --> 2:05:33.920 such a party would threaten the class interests of think 2:05:34.040 --> 2:05:37.880 take gules like those At Third. Way one of the 2:05:37.920 --> 2:05:42.480 biggest results of DSA's electoral, strategy beyond winning, seats is 2:05:43.120 --> 2:05:48.680 Reorienting american politics back to a class based understanding of, 2:05:48.880 --> 2:05:53.840 politics whether that's framed in red scare terms like capitalism versus, 2:05:53.920 --> 2:05:59.240 communism more slopulist rhetoric like regular people versus the quote 2:05:59.280 --> 2:06:03.560 Unquote epstein in, class or simply the working class against 2:06:03.720 --> 2:06:08.360 the bipartisan. Elites the DSA's momentum and this new red 2:06:08.440 --> 2:06:13.320 scare point to a return of class struggle, politics and 2:06:13.560 --> 2:06:16.520 this is the result Of Democratic, socialists especially The New 2:06:16.600 --> 2:06:19.800 york chapter OF, dsa who have been slowly building power 2:06:19.840 --> 2:06:25.680 the past, decade experimenting winning local races and increasing their organizational. 2:06:25.800 --> 2:06:29.960 Capacity after the twenty twenty four, election The Democratic party 2:06:30.080 --> 2:06:34.120 was in a uniquely compromised. State then State assembly members 2:06:34.240 --> 2:06:37.960 Or mumdani and THE dsa seized on this opportunity to 2:06:38.120 --> 2:06:41.960 redefine what democratic politics are show that they can win 2:06:42.440 --> 2:06:45.879 and demonstrate that they can succeed at governing and advancing 2:06:45.960 --> 2:06:48.600 the interests of the working class in the biggest city 2:06:48.800 --> 2:06:53.360 in the. Country while reacting To Maya Mumdani's Independence day, 2:06:53.440 --> 2:06:59.240 Speech Steve bannon cautioned against dismissing the threat posed By. 2:06:59.320 --> 2:07:01.000 Mamdani this is quite. 2:07:01.120 --> 2:07:04.880 Serious if you dismiss this guy and dismiss the people around, 2:07:04.960 --> 2:07:07.760 him and dismiss the money in back of, him you 2:07:08.000 --> 2:07:12.760 are missing something that's more powerful Than. 2:07:12.800 --> 2:07:16.240 Obama and it's not just this, guy it's the team around. 2:07:16.320 --> 2:07:20.480 Him of, Course Steve bannon cannot understand that something Like 2:07:20.600 --> 2:07:25.160 momdani isn't the result of big, money but rather regular, 2:07:25.320 --> 2:07:30.520 people individual, donors and one hundred thousand volunteers who actually 2:07:30.640 --> 2:07:35.360 believe in fighting for a positive political. Project the next 2:07:35.440 --> 2:07:39.640 major test of that project will be In, wisconsin Where 2:07:39.840 --> 2:07:43.440 Democratic socialist candidate To Francesca hang is running for. Governor 2:07:44.160 --> 2:07:47.560 if she wins her upcoming primary Come, november this election 2:07:47.680 --> 2:07:50.480 will be the biggest test case to see If Democratic 2:07:50.560 --> 2:07:54.400 socialists can organize and win statewide in a swing. 2:07:54.520 --> 2:08:12.040 State see you on the other, side it could happen. 2:08:12.120 --> 2:08:15.600 Here executive disorder our weekly newscast covering what's happening in 2:08:15.680 --> 2:08:18.040 The White, house the crumbling, world and what it means for. 2:08:18.120 --> 2:08:22.160 You I'm Garrison davis today'm joined By Mia. Wong this, 2:08:22.360 --> 2:08:26.480 episode we are covering the week Of july eighth To july. 2:08:26.760 --> 2:08:32.880 FIFTEENTH a totally different war In iran has. Started god 2:08:33.840 --> 2:08:39.080 And ice has killed two people this. Week James stout 2:08:39.120 --> 2:08:43.040 will have a segment on that later this, episode but 2:08:43.240 --> 2:08:47.200 let's start with a few small. Things mitch McConnell has 2:08:47.320 --> 2:08:50.760 entered into a pact with the Demon, methastopheles who extend 2:08:50.840 --> 2:08:54.040 his life in exchange for the death of. Another in other, 2:08:54.120 --> 2:08:58.440 news four Term Senator Lindsey graham has died following what 2:08:58.640 --> 2:09:02.160 his office calls a quote unquote brief and sudden. 2:09:02.280 --> 2:09:05.800 ILLNESS i want TO i want to take two seconds 2:09:05.880 --> 2:09:08.520 to speak ill of the. Man SO i found this 2:09:08.640 --> 2:09:11.120 out From sophie messaging us in the group, chat AND 2:09:11.320 --> 2:09:14.840 i fully read the title of the article and clicked on, 2:09:14.960 --> 2:09:17.480 it AND i fully read the Words Lindsay, graham and 2:09:17.560 --> 2:09:20.200 my brain, went, well obviously It's misch. McConnell someone made 2:09:20.240 --> 2:09:22.640 a typo or something in the. Headline it wasn't even 2:09:22.680 --> 2:09:24.600 LIKE i thought it was a. Typo it's, like, fully 2:09:24.720 --> 2:09:27.440 my brain refused to process that it. Was Lindsay gram, 2:09:27.560 --> 2:09:28.280 Said ach. 2:09:28.080 --> 2:09:31.160 McConnell what a bait and switch, though like an incredible 2:09:31.400 --> 2:09:32.720 an incredible week And senate. 2:09:32.800 --> 2:09:37.160 Politics, yeah oh my, god completely. Wild the second THING 2:09:37.200 --> 2:09:38.920 i want to say ill of him was there's a 2:09:39.040 --> 2:09:42.320 very Funny axios thing where he's talking about how he's 2:09:42.360 --> 2:09:44.000 not gonna go to the hospital and he can't die 2:09:44.120 --> 2:09:46.920 because he has to do like terriffs and then also 2:09:47.000 --> 2:09:50.920 specifically he has to Do Israel Saudi arabia. Normalization he 2:09:51.000 --> 2:09:54.720 has to, establish, Yeah Israel's Israel saudi relationship and this 2:09:54.880 --> 2:09:57.200 is this IS i, think how how he should go 2:09:57.280 --> 2:10:00.120 out being, remembered which is trying trying to brow for 2:10:00.200 --> 2:10:04.000 an alliance between like the world's worst monarchy and like 2:10:04.160 --> 2:10:06.640 one of the world's worst EBox sees two of the 2:10:06.720 --> 2:10:09.840 most evil countries in the, world like two of the top, 2:10:09.960 --> 2:10:13.600 five which is really. Impressive right now we're up there. Too. 2:10:14.160 --> 2:10:18.160 Yeah On saturday, NIGHT ems responded to a call for 2:10:18.280 --> 2:10:21.760 quote unquote cardiac arrest At Graham's Capitol hill, home according 2:10:21.800 --> 2:10:26.160 to police scanner, audio and On Sunday graham's office announced 2:10:26.200 --> 2:10:28.360 the preliminary cause of death was a rupture of his 2:10:28.760 --> 2:10:33.240 iorda due to a hardening of his. Arteries that same, 2:10:33.320 --> 2:10:40.000 Day mitch McConnell posted a photo Holding today's a. Newspaper On, 2:10:40.520 --> 2:10:44.280 Monday trump went On newsmax to say That graham's death 2:10:44.360 --> 2:10:49.240 actually wasn't related to his artery, problems and instead he 2:10:49.400 --> 2:10:52.600 died of heart. Complications, QUOTE a certain part of his 2:10:52.720 --> 2:10:57.440 body literally blew. Up let's play the. 2:10:57.480 --> 2:11:00.400 Clip you have any suspicions or. Worry do you think 2:11:00.440 --> 2:11:03.600 we know the whole story about his? Death, WELL i 2:11:03.720 --> 2:11:04.000 think we. 2:11:04.160 --> 2:11:06.800 Do we've had great doctors and they talked, about you, 2:11:06.880 --> 2:11:09.200 know a certain part of his body literally blew. 2:11:09.320 --> 2:11:12.520 Up and that's a CONDITION i believe his father. 2:11:12.680 --> 2:11:17.480 Had also his father also had the part of body 2:11:17.640 --> 2:11:23.120 blows up. Condition, GOD i part of me hopes that 2:11:23.200 --> 2:11:25.920 there is a hell and That Lindsay graham is looking 2:11:26.120 --> 2:11:29.360 up like in hell and seeing that this is What Donald, 2:11:29.400 --> 2:11:32.160 trump the man who he just, like turned his entire 2:11:32.280 --> 2:11:33.160 career into. 2:11:33.000 --> 2:11:37.880 Backing the saying about him and to his, Day trump 2:11:38.000 --> 2:11:44.360 addressed some whirling conspiracy theories Around graham's, death whether or 2:11:44.360 --> 2:11:48.000 not he was poisoned by The russians or other nefarious 2:11:48.280 --> 2:11:51.200 acts may have taken, place And trump just, said, QUOTE 2:11:51.520 --> 2:11:54.320 i know there's all sorts of conspiracy theories going, around 2:11:54.440 --> 2:11:57.840 AND i think THE fbi is wasting their time if 2:11:57.920 --> 2:11:58.600 they are doing. 2:11:58.720 --> 2:11:58.760 That. 2:11:59.000 --> 2:12:02.640 Unquote that's in reference to a post made By Cash 2:12:02.720 --> 2:12:08.000 fattel Following graham's, death which was mostly like an ordinary 2:12:08.200 --> 2:12:13.480 like memorial, statement but curiously it ended with this sentence, 2:12:13.600 --> 2:12:17.600 quote THE fbi is assisting local, authorities and it's made 2:12:17.640 --> 2:12:22.400 every necessary resource available. UNQUOTE i think this Is patel 2:12:22.600 --> 2:12:26.280 just being a kind of like a. Moron, YEAH i 2:12:26.480 --> 2:12:28.400 was TALKING i was talking With Molly conger about this 2:12:28.720 --> 2:12:33.920 earlier this, week and she said That patel often makes 2:12:34.000 --> 2:12:37.840 kind of posts like this following like big national news 2:12:38.320 --> 2:12:40.960 just because he like is still caught in like the 2:12:41.120 --> 2:12:43.520 content creator mindset of just you have to like comment 2:12:43.640 --> 2:12:46.040 on everything and like relate it back to yourself in some. 2:12:46.200 --> 2:12:48.880 Way now that THE fbi did like go through Like 2:12:48.960 --> 2:12:51.560 graham's home and like that's that's pretty. Ordinary but BUT 2:12:51.680 --> 2:12:54.040 i think a post like this, is, YEAH i don't 2:12:54.080 --> 2:12:58.240 think indicating a larger conspiracy or foul play at, work 2:12:58.280 --> 2:13:01.920 and is kind of just a an oversight made By 2:13:01.960 --> 2:13:04.360 patel not really thinking about the consequences of his. 2:13:04.480 --> 2:13:07.600 Actions, yeah and like part of the consequences is that 2:13:07.760 --> 2:13:10.400 like a huge portion of the right is convinced that 2:13:10.640 --> 2:13:14.880 he was killed by some nebulous. Force there's like five 2:13:15.000 --> 2:13:17.720 thousand different unhinged theories as to who killed him or. 2:13:17.760 --> 2:13:21.600 Whatever but, like, no he's just. Old, no his body 2:13:21.680 --> 2:13:22.320 just literally blew. 2:13:22.400 --> 2:13:29.600 Up, now Following Lindsey graham's, death his, Sister Darlene Graham, 2:13:29.680 --> 2:13:34.760 nordon was appointed By South Carolina Governor henry McMaster to 2:13:34.920 --> 2:13:38.280 serve the remainder Of graham's, term which ends In. JANUARY 2:13:38.520 --> 2:13:39.840 i didn't know you could just do. That you can 2:13:39.960 --> 2:13:42.320 just call if oh, yeah WELL i know, YOU i 2:13:42.400 --> 2:13:48.040 know the governor, appoints but just calling up the dead 2:13:48.160 --> 2:13:49.080 senator's sister to. 2:13:49.120 --> 2:13:51.120 Be, like, hey do you want to fill? In there 2:13:51.240 --> 2:13:54.000 was some election where Like Alan ashcroft lost an election 2:13:54.120 --> 2:13:55.560 to a dead, guy AND i think they put his 2:13:55.640 --> 2:13:59.000 spouse in office or something, Afterwards so, LIKE i guess 2:13:59.080 --> 2:14:03.480 there is president for this extremely baffling. Shit it's pretty. 2:14:03.560 --> 2:14:06.920 Remarkable Lindsay graham had actually just won The republican nomination 2:14:07.120 --> 2:14:11.120 for his fifth, term but Now South carolina will hold 2:14:11.120 --> 2:14:14.120 a special election next month to select a new, Nominee 2:14:14.560 --> 2:14:17.120 Nancy masistner hat into the. Ring we'll see if anything 2:14:17.200 --> 2:14:22.600 comes to. That so week was off to uh kind 2:14:22.640 --> 2:14:26.560 of an okay, START i. Guess in other, news in 2:14:26.720 --> 2:14:29.800 a three hundred and eight to one hundred and seventeen, 2:14:30.000 --> 2:14:33.480 vote The house passed legislation to make daylight savings time permanent. 2:14:33.680 --> 2:14:37.080 Nationwide the bill is supported By, trump and if passed 2:14:37.120 --> 2:14:39.640 by The, senate it would end the twice a year clock. 2:14:39.840 --> 2:14:44.160 Changes pack it, up. Folks Hunter biden sat down With 2:14:44.360 --> 2:14:49.320 Nick fuentes On Andrew Callahan's channel five podcast this. Week Oh, 2:14:49.640 --> 2:14:54.360 god legitimate nightmare blunt. Rotation, Yeah i've never been on 2:14:54.440 --> 2:14:59.560 the Pro Hunter biden, Train, no because he is obviously 2:14:59.600 --> 2:15:03.040 he's In, sartain no way related to mine or that 2:15:03.320 --> 2:15:07.040 of you, know regular. People but hopefully this will will 2:15:07.320 --> 2:15:10.160 stop the Whole Hunter Biden's stan community. 2:15:10.240 --> 2:15:13.520 Online. YEAH i also just want to mention BECAUSE i 2:15:13.560 --> 2:15:17.240 think people don't know who this guy is or remember. 2:15:17.400 --> 2:15:19.800 It but, yeah there have been a curie as those 2:15:19.800 --> 2:15:25.320 sexual assault allegations Against Andrew. Callahan and also, yeah part 2:15:25.360 --> 2:15:26.400 of the nightmare or blunt. 2:15:26.520 --> 2:15:29.800 Rotation Andrew callahan is one hundred percent part of nightmare blunt. 2:15:29.880 --> 2:15:32.280 Rotation oh, yeah, YEAH i JUST i just want to 2:15:32.280 --> 2:15:35.360 make it clear that he. Is, yes this is absolutely his. 2:15:35.520 --> 2:15:40.720 Crowd in some better, news The trump administration is abandoning 2:15:40.840 --> 2:15:44.040 a proposed rule change to Block medicare And medicaid funding 2:15:44.160 --> 2:15:47.880 to hospitals that provide gender affirming care to trans. Youth 2:15:48.720 --> 2:15:52.360 over thirty thousand comments were submitted following the proposal Last. 2:15:52.440 --> 2:15:55.560 December medical groups like The American Medical association and The 2:15:55.680 --> 2:15:59.080 Children's Hospital association pushed back on the. Proposal the vast 2:15:59.120 --> 2:16:03.720 majority of those thirty thousand comments were against this proposed rule. 2:16:03.800 --> 2:16:06.280 Change this is, Good this is a good. 2:16:06.360 --> 2:16:09.480 Thing this was a big threat that prompted hospitals to 2:16:09.760 --> 2:16:12.480 comply in, advance and they should not have done, that 2:16:12.600 --> 2:16:14.800 and that is. Bad and we still don't know if 2:16:15.280 --> 2:16:18.920 those hospitals will reinstate. Care yeah, yeah and they should 2:16:18.920 --> 2:16:22.520 still be pressured. Yep and obviously the administration is still 2:16:22.560 --> 2:16:27.080 going after trans youth care, specifically they're still trying to 2:16:27.400 --> 2:16:30.640 go after patient records and are targeting specific hospitals with criminal. 2:16:30.680 --> 2:16:34.840 Subpoenas not all those subpoenas have been. Successful but this 2:16:35.040 --> 2:16:37.480 is good news about this proposed rule. 2:16:37.600 --> 2:16:37.840 Change. 2:16:38.240 --> 2:16:44.760 Yeah On, Friday Fergie, chambers self styled quote unquote anti, 2:16:44.840 --> 2:16:48.680 imperialist communist and multimillion dollar air to The cox family, 2:16:48.800 --> 2:16:53.280 fortune was detained In, Ibeza spain under requests from THE 2:16:53.560 --> 2:16:57.960 Us Justice, department who is attempting to Extradite chambers back 2:16:58.000 --> 2:17:02.320 to The states and is being charged with international money 2:17:02.400 --> 2:17:06.160 laundering with intent to provide material support to foreign terrorist 2:17:06.320 --> 2:17:11.199 organizations Likely. Hamas the past few, Years chambers has donated 2:17:11.240 --> 2:17:16.039 millions to Pro palestinian causes and has been globe trotting 2:17:16.320 --> 2:17:20.920 the past few. Months this is a political. Prosecution whether 2:17:21.000 --> 2:17:24.080 or not you Like chambers or disagree with parts of his, 2:17:24.240 --> 2:17:27.840 politics this is probably a bad thing and a bad 2:17:28.040 --> 2:17:32.000 sign for Pro palestinian politics across The United. States oh, 2:17:32.120 --> 2:17:35.800 Yeah spain has like forty days to decide if they're 2:17:35.840 --> 2:17:40.000 going to comply with the extradition, request And chambers has 2:17:40.080 --> 2:17:43.640 a bail hearing On thursday to see if he will 2:17:43.760 --> 2:17:50.680 remain in the. Tension speaking of international far left, terrorism On, 2:17:50.840 --> 2:17:55.080 Thursday july, Sixteenth Marco rubia will be holding an international 2:17:55.200 --> 2:17:57.960 meeting at The State department focused on the threat Of 2:17:58.040 --> 2:18:03.240 antifa and the quote resurgence of transnational far left. Terrorism 2:18:04.800 --> 2:18:09.280 according to The Washington, Post ford senior ministers from more 2:18:09.320 --> 2:18:15.000 than sixty countries were, invited though many will be unlikely 2:18:15.160 --> 2:18:18.600 to attend due to the meetings vague aims and short. 2:18:18.720 --> 2:18:22.560 Notice One european diplomat told The Washington post they were 2:18:22.640 --> 2:18:26.320 confused as to why they were. Invited, quote we don't have. 2:18:26.440 --> 2:18:30.760 Antifa another said, quote our law enforcement authorities have not 2:18:30.879 --> 2:18:33.920 focused on left wing terrorism because that is not considered 2:18:33.959 --> 2:18:35.440 a high priority threat in our. 2:18:35.560 --> 2:18:40.240 Country. Unquote The Washington. 2:18:39.920 --> 2:18:42.920 Post also reported that SOME us officials will not be 2:18:42.959 --> 2:18:46.960 attending this meeting out of growing fear that the increased 2:18:47.000 --> 2:18:51.000 targeting of far left activists may backfire on conservatives Once 2:18:51.080 --> 2:18:51.880 trump is out of. 2:18:51.959 --> 2:18:56.840 Office in fear. 2:18:57.000 --> 2:19:03.040 Motheruners so we are recording this before the summit is 2:19:03.080 --> 2:19:05.160 going to take. Place if something comes of, it we 2:19:05.360 --> 2:19:07.040 may report on it later. 2:19:07.160 --> 2:19:07.200 On. 2:19:08.080 --> 2:19:12.600 Yeah in More Mark Rubio, News secretary Of State Mark 2:19:12.680 --> 2:19:16.560 rubio announced On monday that The United states is launching 2:19:16.600 --> 2:19:21.440 a campaign to dismantle The International Criminal, court Which rubio 2:19:21.560 --> 2:19:22.880 says Threatens american. 2:19:23.000 --> 2:19:26.360 Sovereignty we're not even in. It we're not even in THE. 2:19:26.560 --> 2:19:28.959 Icc what are we doing here? 2:19:29.240 --> 2:19:33.120 Now THE icc has has attracted the eyr of. Conservatives yeah, 2:19:33.240 --> 2:19:37.480 yeah ever since its. Inception. Yeah but this Week rubio 2:19:37.640 --> 2:19:40.600 announced the launch of a whole of government effort that 2:19:40.720 --> 2:19:44.119 will use quote all the tools at our government's disposal 2:19:44.560 --> 2:19:48.360 to take on the. Court reuters reported debt options being 2:19:48.400 --> 2:19:53.320 considered include quote travel, bands visa, restrictions increased sanctions against 2:19:53.400 --> 2:19:57.560 THE icc and affiliated, organizations and diplomatic pressure on other 2:19:57.720 --> 2:19:59.880 nations to withdraw from The international Crem. 2:20:00.240 --> 2:20:00.480 Court. 2:20:00.879 --> 2:20:05.119 Quote rubio penned an opinion piece in The Wall Street, 2:20:05.360 --> 2:20:11.240 journal which is behind a, paywall incredible explaining quote why 2:20:11.400 --> 2:20:15.320 we're dismantling The International Criminal, Court And i'll quote from 2:20:15.560 --> 2:20:16.600 from the piece. Here. 2:20:17.080 --> 2:20:21.240 Quote last, year major activist groups urged high ranking international 2:20:21.280 --> 2:20:25.080 officials quote to take immediate and meaningful action against The 2:20:25.080 --> 2:20:29.040 trump administration's deportation of violent criminals To El. Salvador months, 2:20:29.120 --> 2:20:33.600 later a FORMER icc chief prosecutor Declared President trump's strikes 2:20:33.640 --> 2:20:37.680 against narco terrorists amounted to a quote unquote crime against 2:20:37.760 --> 2:20:41.680 humanity and should be treated as such under international, law 2:20:42.160 --> 2:20:44.360 a line that was echoed By United nations leaders and 2:20:44.520 --> 2:20:50.760 major leftist non governmental, organizations democratic party, officials and. Politicians In, 2:20:50.920 --> 2:20:54.480 march The washington Based democracy for The Arab World now 2:20:55.280 --> 2:21:00.440 urged The iranian regime to request AN icc investigation of 2:21:00.520 --> 2:21:05.760 quote unquote apparent war crimes committed By american personnel unquote war. 2:21:05.840 --> 2:21:08.600 Crimes enjoyer hates the people who every once in a 2:21:08.640 --> 2:21:10.880 blue moon sort of do something about war. 2:21:10.959 --> 2:21:11.240 Crimes. 2:21:11.320 --> 2:21:14.280 Guys huh, Yeah, SO i mean this shows that there 2:21:14.360 --> 2:21:16.800 is at least some level of fear in The trump 2:21:16.800 --> 2:21:19.760 administration or The State department that strikes on boats off 2:21:19.800 --> 2:21:23.920 the coast Of, venezuela disappearing immigrants into An El salvadoran, 2:21:23.959 --> 2:21:28.560 prison and strikes on civilian infrastructure and civilians In iran 2:21:29.000 --> 2:21:32.480 could result in at least some sort of pressure being 2:21:32.520 --> 2:21:36.560 applied on THE us from THE. Icc rubio wants to 2:21:36.720 --> 2:21:40.400 get ahead of that in some. WAY i don't think this. 2:21:40.440 --> 2:21:40.920 Will be very. 2:21:40.959 --> 2:21:44.120 Successful THE us doesn't really hold much diplomatic power right. 2:21:44.200 --> 2:21:47.080 Now it's this kind of, posturing this posturing that we've 2:21:47.120 --> 2:21:51.119 seen From republican administrations, before especially in the twenty. Tens 2:21:51.680 --> 2:21:55.520 BUT i think this is interesting and worth. Noting, lastly 2:21:55.680 --> 2:21:59.560 one more small news. Item Jake tapper is a, sniveling 2:22:00.000 --> 2:22:04.120 diesel coward and. Fraud On Sunday, Check taffer Interviewed President, 2:22:04.160 --> 2:22:08.360 trump and let's take a look at his hard hitting. 2:22:08.560 --> 2:22:12.680 Questions iron has declared the strait of horror moves. 2:22:12.760 --> 2:22:14.840 Closed is that, true mister, President. 2:22:16.120 --> 2:22:17.280 It's open as far as we're. 2:22:17.320 --> 2:22:18.760 Concerned don't talk about. 2:22:18.800 --> 2:22:20.439 It talk about the reason. 2:22:20.280 --> 2:22:20.920 That you asked me to. 2:22:21.040 --> 2:22:21.280 Speak. 2:22:21.560 --> 2:22:23.320 Okay we appreciate your, time. 2:22:23.400 --> 2:22:28.879 Sir, Okay oh, boy incredible journalism on display AT. Cnn 2:22:29.480 --> 2:22:32.760 tapper finished this quote unquote interview by talking out The 2:22:32.760 --> 2:22:34.000 president just a little bit. 2:22:34.120 --> 2:22:36.520 More, WELL i know you don't want to talk about 2:22:36.520 --> 2:22:39.560 any other issues out of respect For Lindsey, graham but 2:22:39.600 --> 2:22:41.320 we would love to have you back sometime BECAUSE i 2:22:41.640 --> 2:22:43.080 do have a lot of other questions for, you. 2:22:43.160 --> 2:22:44.120 Sir we'll do. 2:22:44.280 --> 2:22:45.120 That we'll do. 2:22:45.280 --> 2:22:46.519 That thank you for calling. 2:22:48.600 --> 2:22:50.520 In a normal, path and we'll do. 2:22:50.680 --> 2:22:52.400 That, Well i'm on a normal path right, here, Sir 2:22:52.440 --> 2:22:54.360 AND i appreciate your time and thank you for calling. 2:22:54.440 --> 2:22:56.120 In, okay thanks so. 2:22:56.640 --> 2:23:00.320 Much i'm a good little, boy mister. President please please 2:23:00.480 --> 2:23:03.520 please like. Me i've been. GOOD i won't challenge you on. 2:23:03.640 --> 2:23:06.640 ANYTHING i swear the most stolerashing part Of this is 2:23:06.720 --> 2:23:10.040 like all of this like, sniveling like boot, licking didn't 2:23:10.040 --> 2:23:12.959 even get him an in person. Interview this is a phone, 2:23:13.040 --> 2:23:15.080 call like come, On. 2:23:15.959 --> 2:23:18.040 I'm no fan of the, man but recently he has 2:23:18.120 --> 2:23:22.080 been appealing To trump a lot, more and to, me 2:23:22.160 --> 2:23:25.240 it kind of seems like he's trying out For David 2:23:25.280 --> 2:23:29.480 ellison in case the PARAMOUNT wb deal goes through and 2:23:29.600 --> 2:23:32.199 that results In Barry weiss or someone of that ilk 2:23:32.400 --> 2:23:35.560 being put in charge OF. Cnn SO i think that in, 2:23:35.720 --> 2:23:38.800 Part tapper is trying to demonstrate to those people that 2:23:39.040 --> 2:23:43.039 he will play, ball Whereas Cooper. Anderson cooper has has 2:23:43.080 --> 2:23:46.640 said if that, happens he will not work for someone 2:23:46.720 --> 2:23:49.840 Like Barry, weiss as he has left Sixty, minutes which 2:23:49.879 --> 2:23:52.959 has been put Under Barry weiss's, control though he remains AT. 2:23:53.040 --> 2:23:56.960 Cnn that's all for our first. Segment we will come 2:23:57.040 --> 2:24:00.640 back with a special report From James stout on two 2:24:00.879 --> 2:24:05.600 ice killings and the New Ish war With. 2:24:05.800 --> 2:24:22.000 Iran, okay we are. Back here's our segment From James. 2:24:22.120 --> 2:24:26.920 Stout, hi, everyone it's Me. JAMES i am calling in 2:24:27.200 --> 2:24:30.879 from Front range In. Colorado apologies if by sound. TIRED 2:24:31.000 --> 2:24:34.199 i have slept approximately three hours in the last twenty 2:24:34.240 --> 2:24:37.840 Four BUT i am joining you today to talk about 2:24:37.879 --> 2:24:40.880 two things which you can probably guess if you follow 2:24:40.920 --> 2:24:42.400 the needs at. ALL i want to start out With 2:24:42.520 --> 2:24:46.000 iran and then we're going to talk about. It hostd 2:24:46.280 --> 2:24:48.720 bepinion in THE usa And iran have resumed in a 2:24:48.800 --> 2:24:50.920 new and of course totally different war that in no 2:24:51.120 --> 2:24:55.920 way requires congressional. Authorization THE usa carried out four consecutive 2:24:56.000 --> 2:24:58.040 nights of strikes on the day of, recording which Is. 2:24:58.080 --> 2:25:01.480 Wednesday they carried those out in Side, iran While iran 2:25:01.640 --> 2:25:04.960 once again attempted to close the straight Up hormuz ring 2:25:05.040 --> 2:25:08.360 on ships in The. Strait in, addition The iranians have Struk, 2:25:08.440 --> 2:25:10.800 kata which has been a mediator in talks between them 2:25:10.840 --> 2:25:14.240 and The United states as well as other countries in 2:25:14.320 --> 2:25:15.039 the region and what it. 2:25:15.080 --> 2:25:16.560 Perceives to BE us allies and. 2:25:16.720 --> 2:25:20.440 Assets at the time of recording On wednesday, night we 2:25:20.560 --> 2:25:23.480 have gone from sporadic strike to the full on beating 2:25:23.560 --> 2:25:26.200 of the drums of war. Again The United states has 2:25:26.280 --> 2:25:29.200 returned to its previous blockade Of. Iran according to S 2:25:29.720 --> 2:25:32.680 Senkam's Central command is the military command that covers that. 2:25:32.720 --> 2:25:34.000 Region Ten kom. 2:25:33.920 --> 2:25:37.760 Also used one way surface drones to Strike iranian port. 2:25:37.800 --> 2:25:41.039 Facilities this is the first documented use of these course 2:25:41.040 --> 2:25:43.880 heir drones in this. Capacity if you're thinking about how 2:25:43.920 --> 2:25:45.520 to picture this in your, mind think about a remote 2:25:45.560 --> 2:25:48.080 control boat much bigger than your average toy, boat but 2:25:48.560 --> 2:25:51.640 much smaller than a warship size with jet ski, maybe 2:25:51.920 --> 2:25:56.680 and these are laiden with, explosives piloted to a target 2:25:56.760 --> 2:25:59.320 and then they detonate Rent that's why they're called one. 2:25:59.400 --> 2:26:03.000 Way prefer the term suicide. Drone it's not the drone that's, 2:26:03.080 --> 2:26:05.840 dying it's. PEOPLE i don't like to trying to muddy 2:26:05.879 --> 2:26:08.800 the waters with. That Saint com and The United states 2:26:09.760 --> 2:26:12.480 are still insisting that The strait Of Horn moves is 2:26:12.600 --> 2:26:15.360 open and they've claimed that they've shot Down iranian, drones 2:26:15.680 --> 2:26:18.640 but in the past, Week iran has Hit saudi flagged 2:26:18.800 --> 2:26:22.360 tankers in A singaporean, ship hitting at least four vessels 2:26:22.440 --> 2:26:26.720 in the. Strait since last, Week iran has also claimed 2:26:26.720 --> 2:26:29.920 to have sunk A Saint kitts And nevis flagged vessel On, 2:26:30.080 --> 2:26:34.480 tuesday and they have once again returned with full ferocity 2:26:34.640 --> 2:26:38.200 to their campaign of attacks Against Southern. Kurdistan AND i 2:26:38.360 --> 2:26:41.280 just heard from friends in Southern kurdistwan today have got 2:26:41.320 --> 2:26:44.160 dozens of messages of pictures of drones going, overhead drones 2:26:44.200 --> 2:26:48.600 being shot, down drodes being, intercepted, fires. Etc The United, 2:26:48.640 --> 2:26:51.200 states for its, part has also been un firing on. 2:26:51.280 --> 2:26:55.480 Ships today it hit the motor Tanker belma with a hellfire. 2:26:55.520 --> 2:26:58.880 Missile they claim that they warned the vessel and it 2:26:59.000 --> 2:27:01.800 was heading in the direction of Carg. Island it didn't, 2:27:01.840 --> 2:27:04.240 comply so they disabled, it preferring the missile to the. 2:27:04.280 --> 2:27:07.400 Smokestack and for his, Part donald from The president of 2:27:07.400 --> 2:27:09.440 The United, states has returned to making threats of war. 2:27:09.520 --> 2:27:10.560 Crimes here's a. 2:27:10.600 --> 2:27:14.000 Clip and then next week it gets really bad for 2:27:14.120 --> 2:27:16.280 them because next week comes the. 2:27:18.000 --> 2:27:21.240 Power. Plants next week comes the. Bridges we're going to 2:27:21.320 --> 2:27:23.039 knock out all their power, plants. 2:27:23.840 --> 2:27:25.120 All, Right and now we're going to move on to 2:27:26.280 --> 2:27:31.320 another really heartbreaking. Story ice has killed Three americans this, 2:27:31.520 --> 2:27:34.320 week And i'm going to start and go most in 2:27:34.400 --> 2:27:36.680 depth with the story of a twenty six year old 2:27:36.720 --> 2:27:38.960 man named One Sebastian Duran. 2:27:39.120 --> 2:27:41.240 Guero he was killed by ice On. 2:27:41.560 --> 2:27:46.240 Monday Durang guero was A colombian citizen he was in 2:27:46.320 --> 2:27:48.720 his car when agents seem to have tried to stop. 2:27:48.800 --> 2:27:51.920 HIM a video released by The Portland Press herald and 2:27:52.040 --> 2:27:55.800 shot on the, scene shows To anguero's car slowly, circling 2:27:56.320 --> 2:27:58.800 with agents standing on either side of the vehicle and 2:27:58.959 --> 2:28:02.480 not in its. Path it appears that LATER i, say 2:28:02.480 --> 2:28:06.199 agents rammed the vehicle with THE suv and then. Shot 2:28:06.360 --> 2:28:10.480 do Rang guerrero for the, video WHICH i, KNOW i 2:28:10.520 --> 2:28:11.800 say this a, lot but, like you don't have to 2:28:11.879 --> 2:28:14.240 watch this to. Care it's not a mark of how 2:28:14.320 --> 2:28:16.240 much you care or you don't, care how much you traumatize. 2:28:16.280 --> 2:28:19.080 Yourself you don't have to watch this to care with 2:28:19.160 --> 2:28:21.920 your whole. Heart but video shows him pulling his body 2:28:22.000 --> 2:28:25.680 from the, vehicle throwing it on the, floor and handcuffing. 2:28:25.800 --> 2:28:29.199 Him there was not in the video WHAT i perceived 2:28:29.200 --> 2:28:31.720 to be evidence of any immediate attempt to render. Aid 2:28:32.440 --> 2:28:35.879 one witness has said she heard the agencyl, weapon according 2:28:35.879 --> 2:28:39.200 To Banga Daily. News The Daily news reported that. Quote 2:28:39.360 --> 2:28:42.280 the witness said that one officer had walked away after 2:28:42.360 --> 2:28:44.960 the shooting and started to, cry but returned to the 2:28:45.000 --> 2:28:48.039 man and started ADMINISTERING cpr when the other officers said 2:28:48.080 --> 2:28:51.480 he has a. Pulse another witness related WHAT i was. 2:28:51.520 --> 2:28:54.160 SAYING i tried to, stop and then THE. 2:28:54.360 --> 2:28:56.640 Suv hit him, again and you tried him. 2:29:00.440 --> 2:29:02.200 And and then that's when he. 2:29:02.360 --> 2:29:07.320 Stopped ice agent got, out tried to open the door 2:29:07.400 --> 2:29:09.960 and had a difficult, time but eventually opened it and 2:29:10.040 --> 2:29:13.240 pulled the guy. Out his face was, bloody his head was, 2:29:13.320 --> 2:29:18.960 bloody AND i clearly heard the victims SAY i tried to. 2:29:19.040 --> 2:29:23.680 Stop clearly heard him say. That THE ice agent that 2:29:23.800 --> 2:29:27.600 shot him walked right in front of, me and of 2:29:27.720 --> 2:29:30.480 COURSE i HAD i was emotional AND i just let 2:29:30.560 --> 2:29:32.560 him have, it and he looked at me and he 2:29:32.600 --> 2:29:34.960 said he tried to run me over or something to that. 2:29:35.040 --> 2:29:36.880 EFFECT i don't remember his exact. 2:29:36.959 --> 2:29:39.600 Words there was Another ice agent with him that was 2:29:39.680 --> 2:29:41.600 trying to comfort, him and they walked. 2:29:41.600 --> 2:29:47.320 Away it appears During luerreo's family witnesses, shooting which is. 2:29:47.360 --> 2:29:50.800 Heartbreaking recording an The Portland Press herald said a woman 2:29:50.879 --> 2:29:53.040 and a young girl were holding hands and crying at the. 2:29:53.080 --> 2:29:57.240 Scene she couldn't have been older than, three said the. 2:29:57.600 --> 2:30:01.200 Witness Portland Press harold spoke to. This this person who 2:30:01.240 --> 2:30:03.120 spoke to him has a two year old, son And 2:30:03.240 --> 2:30:05.680 i'm going to quite hear from The Press. Herald she 2:30:05.800 --> 2:30:08.360 was still in her blue, pajamas just minutes after a 2:30:08.440 --> 2:30:12.160 man was shot and, killed reportedly by federal immigration officials 2:30:12.480 --> 2:30:15.600 who missedne that's the name of their, source saw who 2:30:15.640 --> 2:30:16.840 she believed was the victim's. 2:30:16.959 --> 2:30:20.040 Daughter she. Said the older of the two women yelled 2:30:20.040 --> 2:30:23.400 to law. Enforcement you took her. Dad you took her. 2:30:23.520 --> 2:30:31.720 Dad danguerro's, father talking To Antic Scaracole columbia said, elplear, no. 2:30:34.080 --> 2:30:38.160 He had so many dreams To. JAY'S i don't know 2:30:38.200 --> 2:30:38.680 why they did. 2:30:38.720 --> 2:30:43.840 This the Main Namigrants Rights commission And Presente Migrant Ampacacy 2:30:44.080 --> 2:30:47.800 organization issued a statement confirming That Dora aguero was authorized 2:30:47.840 --> 2:30:50.600 to work in The United states and have been issued 2:30:50.640 --> 2:30:53.960 a Social security. NUMBER i want to be clear about, 2:30:54.000 --> 2:30:56.200 this AND i want to be clear about Why i'm 2:30:56.240 --> 2:30:59.280 being clear about. THIS i guess one status or like 2:30:59.360 --> 2:31:03.840 thereof does not. Matter the agents did not know Dour anguerolo's, 2:31:03.879 --> 2:31:07.520 status it. Seems Main Senator Angus, king who is an independent, 2:31:07.560 --> 2:31:10.600 senator told the associate depressed of Du anguerda was not 2:31:10.800 --> 2:31:13.360 the target of an enforcement, operation which was a revision 2:31:13.400 --> 2:31:14.000 to a statement he in. 2:31:14.040 --> 2:31:15.080 The country he'd made earlier that. 2:31:15.200 --> 2:31:19.640 Day one status or lack of status should not determine 2:31:20.040 --> 2:31:23.800 if they can survive driving their car, around should not 2:31:23.879 --> 2:31:26.120 determine if a little girl grows up with or without a. 2:31:26.240 --> 2:31:28.960 Father but if we're going to make claims about that, 2:31:29.080 --> 2:31:31.320 status AS i have seen many people do on their 2:31:31.400 --> 2:31:34.600 Monetized twitter, accounts then we should try and make them. 2:31:34.680 --> 2:31:37.920 Correct so let's be clear about. This he was authorized 2:31:37.920 --> 2:31:40.040 to work in The United states and he has issued 2:31:40.080 --> 2:31:43.400 A Social security. Number according to The Main Immigants Rights 2:31:43.400 --> 2:31:46.480 commission And, pretende that does not mean he was a 2:31:46.600 --> 2:31:47.520 resident of The United. 2:31:47.560 --> 2:31:47.800 States. 2:31:47.920 --> 2:31:50.200 Necessarily it does not mean he was a. Citizen this 2:31:50.360 --> 2:31:53.640 can happen during the asylum. Process we've spoken about the 2:31:53.720 --> 2:31:56.119 work permit. Clock we've spoken about how problematic the work 2:31:56.200 --> 2:31:58.680 permit clock. Is we've spoken about how hard it is 2:31:58.760 --> 2:32:01.000 for people to get work Perm there are other processes 2:32:01.080 --> 2:32:03.360 too which you can get a work permit in the. 2:32:03.440 --> 2:32:06.640 Process BUT i want to be clear about this because 2:32:06.640 --> 2:32:08.200 it's important that we tell the truth and all of 2:32:08.280 --> 2:32:10.400 the truth. Right BUT i also want to be clear 2:32:10.440 --> 2:32:13.200 that anybody making the claim that he was a resident 2:32:13.600 --> 2:32:17.600 is going about this wrong because his legal status is 2:32:17.680 --> 2:32:20.000 not what you're. Protecting being a human being is what you're. 2:32:20.000 --> 2:32:23.840 Protecting no three year old girl should see her father 2:32:23.959 --> 2:32:26.800 shot in the, street much less by people who your 2:32:26.879 --> 2:32:29.879 tax is paid to shoot. Him and SO i want 2:32:29.920 --> 2:32:31.600 to be clear about, that AND i GUESS i Hope 2:32:31.600 --> 2:32:33.280 i've been clear about Why i'm being clear about. That 2:32:34.160 --> 2:32:37.680 king also confirmed the agents were not wearing body cameras 2:32:37.680 --> 2:32:39.840 at the time with the. Shooting with this and the 2:32:39.959 --> 2:32:42.680 killing In, houston Which i'll get to it a little, 2:32:42.680 --> 2:32:45.520 BIT cnn is reporting THAT ice is largely stopping vehicle 2:32:45.560 --> 2:32:49.080 stops for. Now The, atlantic reporting on this added. Quote 2:32:49.160 --> 2:32:51.240 the officer involved in fatal shooting In maine was hired 2:32:51.240 --> 2:32:53.959 BY isis year from The department Of Veterans Affairs. Police 2:32:54.000 --> 2:32:57.160 according to a senior, official the officer has worked in 2:32:57.240 --> 2:33:02.359 federal law enforcement since twenty. Seventeen the official, SAID dhs 2:33:02.640 --> 2:33:05.480 issued the following. Statement it's using this sort of like 2:33:06.440 --> 2:33:09.240 bullshit equivocal language THAT i would straight up fail someone 2:33:09.240 --> 2:33:10.560 in one hundred level writing course. 2:33:10.600 --> 2:33:12.480 For But i'll read it out so you can hear 2:33:12.480 --> 2:33:12.720 what they. 2:33:12.720 --> 2:33:15.520 Said On july, thirteen to twenty twenty, six at approximately 2:33:15.560 --> 2:33:19.000 seven Am eastern, TIME ice was conducting a targeted surveillance 2:33:19.040 --> 2:33:21.400 on the last known address of an illegal alien with 2:33:21.520 --> 2:33:24.160 a final order of. REMOVAL a legal alien departed the 2:33:24.200 --> 2:33:27.360 residents in a. Vehicle ice law enforcement attempted to conduct 2:33:27.400 --> 2:33:30.200 a vehicle. Stop the vehicle attempted to flee the scene 2:33:30.280 --> 2:33:32.720 and fearing for public, safety and officer discharged his. Weapon 2:33:33.240 --> 2:33:36.160 the driver of the vehicle struck and emergency services were immediately. 2:33:36.360 --> 2:33:39.360 Contacted he passed away from his. Injuries the bit off 2:33:39.360 --> 2:33:43.640 a police DEPARTMENT fbi responded to the. SCENE dhsig has 2:33:43.680 --> 2:33:46.440 been notified and like all discharge of, firearms this will be. 2:33:46.520 --> 2:33:49.200 Investigated it's a developing situation and we will update the 2:33:49.240 --> 2:33:52.000 public when more information is. AVAILABLE a couple of THINGS 2:33:52.040 --> 2:33:53.440 i want to. Know they didn't say that the officer 2:33:53.520 --> 2:33:56.240 feared for his. Life they did say he feared for public. 2:33:56.320 --> 2:33:58.800 SAFETY i think we should be wary of reading too 2:33:58.920 --> 2:34:02.080 much into these. Statements they're always so, vague wishy, washy in, 2:34:02.120 --> 2:34:05.240 equivocal and it's just the. Cops speakers become almost its own, 2:34:05.320 --> 2:34:08.320 language especially in the statements of cops make after that kill. 2:34:08.360 --> 2:34:10.520 SOMEONE i do want to note that The office of 2:34:10.560 --> 2:34:13.400 The Inspector general right DHS oig that's referred to there 2:34:13.600 --> 2:34:16.200 is one of very FEW dhs assets that is not 2:34:16.280 --> 2:34:18.920 getting a huge budget. Bump and as the agency, grows 2:34:19.080 --> 2:34:22.320 THE oig will very much struggle to keep, up especially 2:34:22.520 --> 2:34:25.960 IF ice continues Killing americans at this. Rate, indeed The 2:34:26.040 --> 2:34:29.560 White house last month and it's proposed budget proposed cutting 2:34:29.800 --> 2:34:33.360 THE oig. Budget so wouldn't hold you wreath for a 2:34:33.440 --> 2:34:35.600 thorough investigation if you want to learn more about THE 2:34:35.680 --> 2:34:37.800 DHS oig and how he came to have, it and 2:34:37.920 --> 2:34:42.760 then the long history that THE dhs has of preventing 2:34:43.000 --> 2:34:48.040 meaningful investigations into shootings BY dhs. OFFICERS i did an 2:34:48.080 --> 2:34:51.520 episode With Gen budd probably three years, ago AND i 2:34:51.560 --> 2:34:53.480 would suggest going back and listening to. That you can 2:34:53.520 --> 2:34:55.360 Buy gen's book. TWO i think she covers it. There 2:34:56.120 --> 2:35:00.160 the day after, this another young man was killed BY. 2:35:00.200 --> 2:35:03.440 Ice man was twenty eight years. Old he was killed 2:35:03.440 --> 2:35:05.800 AFTER ice agents attempted to detain, Him he fled and 2:35:05.840 --> 2:35:08.320 he was struck by a. Vehicle this, WEEK ice also 2:35:08.480 --> 2:35:13.440 Killed Lorenzo, salgado a father of three who have been 2:35:13.600 --> 2:35:17.240 in The United states for thirty five. Years one of his, 2:35:17.320 --> 2:35:20.119 sons in a press, conference said that he was aware 2:35:20.120 --> 2:35:21.680 That this was his dad when he saw a video On, 2:35:21.800 --> 2:35:25.840 facebook which is, heartbreaking claiming in this, shooting as they 2:35:25.920 --> 2:35:29.800 have falsely in almost every, shooting that he tried to 2:35:29.879 --> 2:35:34.800 weaponize his. Vehicle the agent shot him In. Texas this, 2:35:34.959 --> 2:35:38.520 WEEK cbs reported from The Harris County attorney that he 2:35:38.680 --> 2:35:41.840 is filing for visas for witnesses in the case unless 2:35:41.920 --> 2:35:44.600 it be deported before they can give evidence in the. 2:35:44.720 --> 2:35:48.119 CASE i don't want to go into a great deal 2:35:48.200 --> 2:35:50.800 more depth about. THIS i Guess i've seen a lot 2:35:50.840 --> 2:35:53.520 of speculation in all of these AND i might do 2:35:53.560 --> 2:35:56.240 a whole episode on it. SOON i just want to 2:35:56.240 --> 2:35:58.840 take some time at the, MOMENT i, guess for us 2:35:58.879 --> 2:36:02.280 all to to process more. GRIEF i did a book 2:36:02.360 --> 2:36:05.320 talk yesterday In oakland and we just read their names 2:36:05.320 --> 2:36:08.080 out loud and had a little moment With Edith. 2:36:08.160 --> 2:36:09.520 Moranti it was Edis. Idea it was. 2:36:09.560 --> 2:36:11.560 WONDERFULLY i had a little moment to think about them 2:36:12.000 --> 2:36:14.600 at the start of the book talk, there and that 2:36:14.720 --> 2:36:16.800 was a nice thing to. Do BUT i GUESS i 2:36:16.840 --> 2:36:18.680 just want to, say, like we are the people who 2:36:18.720 --> 2:36:20.240 get to decide if we want to keep living like, 2:36:20.320 --> 2:36:22.680 this and we don't have, to and it's helped to 2:36:22.760 --> 2:36:26.000 all of us to decide if this is the way 2:36:26.040 --> 2:36:27.960 we want to live and the way we want things to. Be, 2:36:28.680 --> 2:36:31.160 YEAH i hope you can all take some time to 2:36:31.240 --> 2:36:33.840 process this and deal with it however you. 2:36:33.920 --> 2:36:47.440 Can, okay we are. 2:36:47.680 --> 2:36:53.000 Back ahead of an upcoming union, Election The department Of 2:36:53.160 --> 2:36:58.240 justice has opened a grand jury investigation INTO Uaw President Sean. 2:36:58.440 --> 2:37:02.039 Faine Sean fayne is currently facing a challenge FROM Uaw 2:37:02.320 --> 2:37:07.280 Vice President Rich, boyer who years ago told the court 2:37:07.360 --> 2:37:12.720 appointed independent monitor That feinn quote acted improperly to obtain 2:37:12.959 --> 2:37:18.119 financial benefits for his fiancee. Unquote fain said in a, statement, 2:37:18.200 --> 2:37:21.320 Quote let's be clear about what's going on. Here Rich 2:37:21.400 --> 2:37:24.160 boyer has fed the monitor false allegations about me and 2:37:24.320 --> 2:37:27.240 is now trying to weaponize these bogus allegations to steal 2:37:27.320 --> 2:37:30.880 the UPCOMING uaw. Election he knows he can't win a 2:37:30.959 --> 2:37:33.800 fair fight because he has no real platform to run on. 2:37:34.120 --> 2:37:40.560 Unquote the court appointed monitor FOR, Uaw Neil, borowsky has 2:37:40.640 --> 2:37:44.240 clashed With faine the past few. Years ever Since faine 2:37:44.240 --> 2:37:47.240 pushed for THE oaw to pass a resolution calling for 2:37:47.440 --> 2:37:51.360 a ceasefire In, gaza which they then did way back 2:37:51.400 --> 2:37:54.280 in twenty twenty. Three at the, time THE ow was 2:37:54.280 --> 2:37:56.720 the largest union to do, so and In december of 2:37:56.760 --> 2:37:59.840 twenty twenty, Three fain gave a speech IN dc along 2:38:00.280 --> 2:38:04.400 Side Congress Rowman Corey busch And Rashida talib calling for 2:38:04.520 --> 2:38:09.520 a ceasefire and for aid to Enter. Gaza brovsky Called 2:38:09.720 --> 2:38:16.000 faine to express dissatisfaction with this, resolution And faine claims 2:38:16.040 --> 2:38:20.400 That brovsky called him an anti. Semite brovsky also forwarded 2:38:20.520 --> 2:38:24.320 a letter to the union from THE adl claiming THAT 2:38:24.400 --> 2:38:30.400 auaw local was antisemitic for supporting the. Ceasefire Detroit news 2:38:30.480 --> 2:38:34.760 reported That brovsky quote acknowledged the matter was outside The monitor's, 2:38:34.840 --> 2:38:38.560 jurisdiction but said he was forwarding it quote given the 2:38:38.720 --> 2:38:44.120 serious concerns raised here unquote to quote an article in 2:38:44.160 --> 2:38:49.680 The American prospect Quote at THE Uaw Executive Board's february 2:38:49.720 --> 2:38:53.680 twenty twenty four, meeting members asked Why brovsky was involving 2:38:53.760 --> 2:38:58.440 himself in the union's, politics While borrovsky protested he was 2:38:58.480 --> 2:39:02.520 not really seeking a policy change from. Them infuriated by 2:39:02.560 --> 2:39:06.800 Both broski's charges and his, Denials fain, said quote for 2:39:06.959 --> 2:39:10.320 anyone to ever fucking say Anti, semitic, Brother i'll fight 2:39:10.480 --> 2:39:12.879 your ass in front of this building in a heartbeat. 2:39:13.280 --> 2:39:17.800 Unquote within weeks of that, Meeting brosky initiated an investigation 2:39:18.280 --> 2:39:24.119 Of faine's interactions with SEVERAL uaw leaders. Unquote In Sean 2:39:24.160 --> 2:39:28.800 fayne's recent statement regarding the DOJ's, investigation he, claimed, Quote 2:39:29.040 --> 2:39:32.320 Neil barowski has a political grudge against me because THE 2:39:32.440 --> 2:39:35.840 uaw took an anti war stance about what was happening In. 2:39:36.000 --> 2:39:40.200 Gaza Under Sean, fayn THE uaw has moved in a 2:39:40.320 --> 2:39:45.160 much more militant direction and has BACKED dsa candidates running 2:39:45.360 --> 2:39:49.200 on working class platforms and states going against some other 2:39:49.320 --> 2:39:53.920 union coalitions who were backing progressive or establishment, dems like 2:39:54.200 --> 2:39:57.879 In New york With Claire, valdez where THE uaw Backed 2:39:57.959 --> 2:40:01.440 claire and a coalition of OTHER us unions Backed Antonio. 2:40:01.480 --> 2:40:06.640 Renoso faine has been a very effective union president who 2:40:06.680 --> 2:40:10.000 has won a lot of big contract, victories and in 2:40:10.120 --> 2:40:14.480 his statement addressing the, investigation he, wrote, Quote we've accomplished 2:40:14.600 --> 2:40:17.879 more in the past three years and three months than 2:40:17.959 --> 2:40:20.640 in the previous. Decades this is what happens when you 2:40:20.760 --> 2:40:24.000 go against Corporate. America and their, allies And i'm not 2:40:24.160 --> 2:40:26.360 going to be intimidated or harassed out of serving our. 2:40:26.440 --> 2:40:30.120 Membership our election is in six. Weeks neilbrowski will not 2:40:30.240 --> 2:40:33.000 run our union no matter how hard he, tries and 2:40:33.160 --> 2:40:36.080 no company sell out Like boyer is going to dictate 2:40:36.160 --> 2:40:36.880 our elections. 2:40:37.160 --> 2:40:39.640 UNQUOTE i think it's worth going over here sort of 2:40:40.040 --> 2:40:42.520 the general dynamics of union, elections which is that for 2:40:42.879 --> 2:40:47.080 basically every major union largely would elections come down. To 2:40:47.800 --> 2:40:50.600 this is how THE uaw was run for. Decades there 2:40:50.680 --> 2:40:53.720 is usually something that's called like The Administrative caucus or 2:40:53.760 --> 2:40:57.160 the Admin, caucus which tends to be the long term 2:40:57.280 --> 2:41:00.560 sort of ruling. CLIQUE i guess of the union that 2:41:00.680 --> 2:41:03.280 it usually has held power. Continuously they're kind, of as 2:41:03.280 --> 2:41:05.920 it felt power for. Decades The teamsters were like, This 2:41:06.320 --> 2:41:09.680 THE uaw was like this Until Sean fain One Sean 2:41:09.760 --> 2:41:13.360 fayne is From there's usually something called a reform. Faction, yeah, 2:41:13.440 --> 2:41:15.960 yeah who are a further left, faction and then there's 2:41:15.959 --> 2:41:20.400 also usually like A trotskyite one that gets seven. Votes but, 2:41:21.440 --> 2:41:24.040 yeah and you, know the sort of important, thing As 2:41:24.080 --> 2:41:26.320 garret was talking, about was that this is the first 2:41:26.360 --> 2:41:29.520 time that A Reform caucus had put like straight up 2:41:29.600 --> 2:41:31.560 one of their guys in charge of a major. Union 2:41:31.560 --> 2:41:34.720 you can look at The teamsters, too but Like teamsters 2:41:34.760 --> 2:41:37.720 for A Democratic union always kind of had a tenuous 2:41:37.840 --> 2:41:41.680 relationship ish with their new president and he kind of 2:41:41.760 --> 2:41:44.480 sucks in a way That Sean fayne like, doesn't, yeah 2:41:44.560 --> 2:41:45.080 largely does. 2:41:45.160 --> 2:41:45.200 Not. 2:41:45.720 --> 2:41:48.360 Yeah he has been the most militant of the major 2:41:48.440 --> 2:41:50.840 union leaders in THE, us you, know like there was 2:41:50.879 --> 2:41:52.800 the strike a few years ago that we covered on the. 2:41:52.840 --> 2:41:57.360 SHOW i, mean and this is another example of THE oja. Weaponization. 2:41:57.760 --> 2:42:01.680 Yeah, yeah the job administration is going after someone who 2:42:01.800 --> 2:42:04.600 is not only securing big wins for the, union but 2:42:04.720 --> 2:42:07.920 is also involving himself in these other, elections these other 2:42:08.240 --> 2:42:12.040 social causes Like. Palestine, yeah and also has been a 2:42:12.120 --> 2:42:15.440 really outspoken voice in favor of, immigration yeah and against, 2:42:15.560 --> 2:42:20.280 yeah opression Of mike. Workers so this is absolutely in 2:42:20.440 --> 2:42:24.440 part Targeting thane because of his, yeah opposition to a 2:42:24.520 --> 2:42:27.360 lot of the things such up administration is, doing and 2:42:27.520 --> 2:42:31.240 that opposition and support of THE uw has been helping 2:42:31.800 --> 2:42:35.360 working class candidates get into office to then oppose these 2:42:35.440 --> 2:42:39.720 things In. CONGRESS i don't know how to Segue, OKAY 2:42:39.760 --> 2:42:41.880 i got. THIS i got, This, garrison don't. Worry i'm 2:42:41.879 --> 2:42:43.040 a professional. 2:42:43.760 --> 2:42:49.520 Speaking speaking of bowel movements In. Michigan oh, god let's 2:42:49.560 --> 2:42:55.640 talk explosive. Diarrhea oh. Yeah THE uiw is also. Supporting al, 2:42:55.680 --> 2:42:58.039 said you're, right you're. Right that is a good segue 2:42:58.120 --> 2:43:02.879 and speaking Of, michigan oh. God, Okay so there has 2:43:03.000 --> 2:43:06.920 been a large outbreak centered In michigan of a parasite 2:43:06.959 --> 2:43:11.720 called silaspora that appears to be spreading through something like 2:43:11.840 --> 2:43:14.840 fresh salad, greens although THE cdc is still not. Sure, 2:43:15.200 --> 2:43:18.039 yes and we'll get to we'll we'll get to more 2:43:18.120 --> 2:43:20.680 on why they're not. Sure my four year old diet 2:43:20.840 --> 2:43:26.560 continues to reign. Supreum. God SO i think it's worth noting, 2:43:26.840 --> 2:43:29.200 that you, know this is something that a lot of 2:43:29.240 --> 2:43:33.000 writers have pointed. Out there's always like small outbreaks of 2:43:33.120 --> 2:43:37.040 silospora during the. Summer so you'll see documents of you, 2:43:37.120 --> 2:43:39.480 know like cases in other states that are not in 2:43:39.600 --> 2:43:40.960 the sort of group we're going to talk about in a, 2:43:41.080 --> 2:43:44.480 Second and that's fairly. Normal that's just that's just sort 2:43:44.520 --> 2:43:46.560 of the you, know that's just sort of the disease. Cycle, However, 2:43:47.000 --> 2:43:51.840 comma there's been over two thousand cases In, michigan and 2:43:51.959 --> 2:43:57.760 that is not normal at. All, now this specific, outbreak 2:43:58.160 --> 2:44:00.280 for what we know so far from THE cdc see 2:44:00.320 --> 2:44:03.200 it seems like there is an outbreak In, Michigan, Ohio West, 2:44:03.280 --> 2:44:07.040 virginia And. Kentucky and these ones seem to actually be 2:44:07.120 --> 2:44:09.400 connected to each, other unlike the sort of disparate cases 2:44:09.760 --> 2:44:12.840 elsewhereround the, country which are just seemed to kind of 2:44:13.360 --> 2:44:16.800 right now look like a little bit higher than the 2:44:16.840 --> 2:44:19.160 normal background noise of what you would expect in a 2:44:19.280 --> 2:44:22.880 very large. Country if you're like In, michigan it's maybe 2:44:23.000 --> 2:44:26.120 worth not buying like bag, salads and if you're gonna buy, 2:44:26.160 --> 2:44:28.199 lettuce buy like a head of lettuce and like throw 2:44:28.240 --> 2:44:30.600 away the outside of. It if you're not In, michigan, 2:44:31.040 --> 2:44:34.280 like don't really worry about. This you're probably gonna be. 2:44:34.320 --> 2:44:36.960 Okay but the REASON i want to talk about this 2:44:37.080 --> 2:44:40.720 outbreak is that specifically it's been, exacerbated at least in 2:44:40.879 --> 2:44:43.880 part BY rfk juniors firing of ten thousand health and 2:44:43.959 --> 2:44:48.840 human services. Workers, now as a result of these, cuts 2:44:49.200 --> 2:44:53.039 the Food Borne Diseases Active Surveillance network went from tracking 2:44:53.160 --> 2:44:57.720 six pathogens to only tracking two and lo and. Behold, 2:44:58.240 --> 2:45:02.680 okay so this timing genuinely a. Coincidence but they cut 2:45:02.760 --> 2:45:06.000 the surveillance tracking On july, first and one of the 2:45:06.040 --> 2:45:11.920 passages they were, tracking why. Cyclospora so this is going, 2:45:12.080 --> 2:45:16.640 great and obviously this outbreak would have happened. Anyways it's 2:45:16.680 --> 2:45:19.200 not responsible to draw a direct causal link from these 2:45:19.280 --> 2:45:21.520 cuts to, oh there's this outbreak, Now but what it 2:45:21.640 --> 2:45:25.840 has done is slow the response to, it because what 2:45:26.200 --> 2:45:29.440 was one of the world's best surveillance systems has been 2:45:29.520 --> 2:45:33.720 absolutely gutted because they fired ten thousand people or, well, 2:45:33.760 --> 2:45:36.000 okay it's a combination of fired and forced out and 2:45:36.080 --> 2:45:38.720 people taking, like you, know people taking some of the 2:45:38.760 --> 2:45:44.199 packages that they've been. Offered, yeah, yeah those deferred RESIGNATION doge. Offers, 2:45:44.720 --> 2:45:48.080 yeah this is a very explosive example of. This but 2:45:48.959 --> 2:45:54.600 what's happening here is one manifestation of the slow crumbling 2:45:54.920 --> 2:45:55.920 of general state. 2:45:56.000 --> 2:45:56.480 Capacity. 2:45:57.040 --> 2:46:00.520 Right there are a lot of regulatory agencies and a 2:46:00.640 --> 2:46:05.080 lot of scientific agencies whose you, know budgets and staffs 2:46:05.200 --> 2:46:09.040 have been cut, massively and the systems that they run 2:46:09.720 --> 2:46:12.720 are well designed enough and the people who actually do 2:46:12.959 --> 2:46:16.680 them care about them enough that they tend not to collapse. Immediately, 2:46:17.200 --> 2:46:20.000 Right that's not the sort of model of state collapse 2:46:20.080 --> 2:46:21.720 that we're sort of dealing with, Here. Right it's not 2:46:21.800 --> 2:46:25.720 that everything just suddenly stopped. Working what happens is, slowly over, 2:46:25.920 --> 2:46:29.400 time things that we used to have we simply don't have, 2:46:29.520 --> 2:46:32.120 anymore you. Know along these sort of, Lines one of 2:46:32.160 --> 2:46:34.680 the other like slow acting symptoms of this sort of 2:46:34.879 --> 2:46:39.360 carving out of The american scientific state and its regulatory 2:46:39.400 --> 2:46:43.840 capacity is that weather praditions have gotten less. Accurate and 2:46:43.920 --> 2:46:46.520 the reason they've gotten less accurate is because there is 2:46:46.680 --> 2:46:48.960 a large number of weather balloons that used to be 2:46:49.040 --> 2:46:52.600 deployed every single day to collect weather information that you 2:46:52.760 --> 2:46:55.000 can't get any other, way that have been shut down 2:46:55.000 --> 2:46:57.000 because they just don't have the staff to run. Them 2:46:57.600 --> 2:46:59.480 and so this is a thing we're going to be 2:46:59.560 --> 2:47:02.920 seeing and more of over the next honestly probably the 2:47:03.000 --> 2:47:06.280 rest of our. Lives is that the pieces of the 2:47:06.360 --> 2:47:08.680 state that we're torn apart By doge and we're torn 2:47:08.720 --> 2:47:12.600 apart BY Rfk junior going, through there's just going to 2:47:12.680 --> 2:47:17.240 be things that we don't think about that suddenly get. Worse, 2:47:17.440 --> 2:47:20.000 Right and it's also worth, noting, right, like you, know 2:47:20.320 --> 2:47:22.840 something THAT i think you, can to some extent point 2:47:22.879 --> 2:47:26.280 to for this specific outbreak is that there's been damage 2:47:26.360 --> 2:47:28.600 done to food testing that dates back to like the 2:47:28.720 --> 2:47:34.360 First trump, administration, Right and when we're talking about something 2:47:34.560 --> 2:47:39.560 like food safety, standards, right or we're talking about workplace safety, 2:47:39.640 --> 2:47:43.280 standards it's important to understand that there are two kinds 2:47:43.280 --> 2:47:45.920 of regulations in this. World there are regulations that are 2:47:45.920 --> 2:47:48.199 written in the ink of, lobbyists and there are regulations 2:47:48.240 --> 2:47:50.560 that are written the blood of. Workers and the ones 2:47:50.600 --> 2:47:52.640 that are being cut right now are the ones that 2:47:52.720 --> 2:47:55.640 are written in. Blood and so you, know right now 2:47:55.959 --> 2:48:00.680 we have a story that sucks but is at least 2:48:00.920 --> 2:48:04.240 kind of silly in a bunch of explosive. Diarrhea but 2:48:05.360 --> 2:48:08.920 as the state capacity continues to, degrade it's going to 2:48:09.000 --> 2:48:12.200 get more and more. Grim, yeah as you, know basic 2:48:12.280 --> 2:48:15.520 scientific and regulatory functions that we all have just come 2:48:15.600 --> 2:48:19.640 to rely on to not eat poison every, day crumble 2:48:19.640 --> 2:48:20.360 will start the fall. 2:48:20.400 --> 2:48:22.960 Apart your point about there being two different types of, 2:48:23.040 --> 2:48:25.480 REGULATIONS i think is really important because people often just 2:48:25.600 --> 2:48:28.200 think of regulation as it's like just this singular kind 2:48:28.240 --> 2:48:32.960 of mechanism that the state can, deploy and, no, yeah it. 2:48:33.080 --> 2:48:33.520 Is it is. 2:48:33.680 --> 2:48:34.680 Not it's. 2:48:36.160 --> 2:48:39.480 There is regulations that will protect workers that are achieved by, 2:48:39.560 --> 2:48:44.680 workers and there's regulations that only serve corporate interests or 2:48:44.760 --> 2:48:48.320 make things more difficult or cumbersome for workers to go 2:48:48.400 --> 2:48:52.280 about their daily lives and enjoy the public services and 2:48:52.360 --> 2:48:54.480 like the public goods and the infrastructure that that we. 2:48:54.600 --> 2:48:57.600 Have and this is sort of like hacking away at 2:48:57.640 --> 2:49:00.480 state capacities you're talking, about which is like very obviously 2:49:00.560 --> 2:49:03.920 on display In trump's second administration through stuff like Dew it's, 2:49:04.000 --> 2:49:06.640 right this is kind of the main project of conservatism 2:49:06.760 --> 2:49:07.640 since like the seventies and. 2:49:07.680 --> 2:49:10.200 Eighties, yeah, WELL i think WHAT i would also say 2:49:10.240 --> 2:49:11.760 about that, though that there IS i think there is 2:49:11.760 --> 2:49:15.120 an important distinction between what's happening here and what's what you, 2:49:15.200 --> 2:49:17.560 know if you look at Like, reagan for, Example, yeah 2:49:17.840 --> 2:49:21.280 which is like a lot of what those states were 2:49:21.360 --> 2:49:24.640 doing was you, know an attempt to transition from the 2:49:24.760 --> 2:49:27.199 state sort of having a welfare capacity to a state 2:49:27.440 --> 2:49:31.240 just being a purely military. Entity, Right but those people 2:49:31.520 --> 2:49:35.040 also weren't doing this kind of stuff in the sense 2:49:35.120 --> 2:49:37.640 that they weren't just like shutting down the weather balloons 2:49:38.320 --> 2:49:42.920 because you, know like even Like GEORGE. W bush isn't 2:49:43.120 --> 2:49:45.440 just like shutting down every weather balloon he can, find 2:49:45.520 --> 2:49:49.600 because there used to be an understanding that there's supposed 2:49:49.600 --> 2:49:52.280 to be stay capacity in place or expanded that would 2:49:52.320 --> 2:49:53.320 help the ruling class stay in. 2:49:53.360 --> 2:49:53.560 Power. 2:49:53.680 --> 2:49:55.400 Right this is why you see like the expansion of 2:49:55.440 --> 2:49:58.280 the police through this, period this massive increase in police 2:49:58.320 --> 2:50:02.720 and military, budgets and also why you would see in 2:50:02.800 --> 2:50:05.000 a lot of cases you would see expansions of scientific. 2:50:05.080 --> 2:50:08.800 Budgets and why you, wouldn't for, example just start doing. 2:50:09.000 --> 2:50:12.280 This The reagan administration did a lot of replacing regulations 2:50:12.320 --> 2:50:14.600 written in blood with regulations written in, ink but they 2:50:14.760 --> 2:50:20.640 didn't just gut basic scientific capacity that was useful to 2:50:20.760 --> 2:50:24.240 capital in the way that's happening. Here look like another 2:50:24.760 --> 2:50:26.480 part of, this right is like it was it was 2:50:26.520 --> 2:50:31.240 strategically important to someone Like bush and someone Like reagan 2:50:31.560 --> 2:50:34.840 that THE us would maintain like a large scale scientific. Advantage, 2:50:34.959 --> 2:50:37.879 Right so if you want to do, that you don't 2:50:37.959 --> 2:50:41.800 go through and just start annihilating the grant process by 2:50:41.840 --> 2:50:45.080 which All american science is. Done, Right, sure stuff that 2:50:45.280 --> 2:50:47.560 like those people didn't do because they had a better 2:50:47.680 --> 2:50:50.000 understanding of how The american empire, works and these people 2:50:50.080 --> 2:50:52.480 are doing it because they have bought the propaganda line 2:50:52.520 --> 2:50:54.800 about what their ideology is supposed to be instead of 2:50:54.840 --> 2:50:58.160 actually executing their, ideology like you, know having the sort 2:50:58.160 --> 2:51:01.960 of scientific state capacity to like fuel the corporations that 2:51:02.040 --> 2:51:05.080 their power relies. On, yeah the contradictions of the project 2:51:05.120 --> 2:51:08.280 are more clearly manifest and something like, this whereas you, 2:51:08.320 --> 2:51:10.920 know the sort of like privatization and like the removal 2:51:11.000 --> 2:51:13.840 of like social services Under reagan still allowed you, know 2:51:13.920 --> 2:51:16.960 government funds and involvement towards things that would help like 2:51:17.080 --> 2:51:19.920 infuse the economy in some, ways you, know trickle down, 2:51:20.560 --> 2:51:22.920 way something that really did not help a lot of 2:51:23.120 --> 2:51:26.000 a lot of workers in the. Moment, well they help 2:51:26.040 --> 2:51:29.440 the economy meeting corporation make more money every, year, yes 2:51:30.080 --> 2:51:34.120 versus the sort of expansion of this privatization towards things, like, 2:51:34.200 --> 2:51:36.440 yeah we should not have the government be funding weather 2:51:36.480 --> 2:51:39.800 balloons that can be privatized instead all these things that 2:51:40.280 --> 2:51:43.800 the private sector cannot do as well as a central 2:51:43.840 --> 2:51:46.680 government body cannot do without the backing with central government 2:51:46.720 --> 2:51:50.440 body inside of. Funding is another example of. This you, 2:51:50.480 --> 2:51:53.600 know sometimes THE rfk forces or whatever will like realize 2:51:53.640 --> 2:51:55.520 that what they're doing is actually going to hurt their 2:51:55.920 --> 2:51:59.040 core driving, factor which is which is serving, capital and 2:51:59.080 --> 2:52:03.039 they will like backtrack on some, things but it follows 2:52:03.080 --> 2:52:04.080 the sort Of Silicon valley. 2:52:04.080 --> 2:52:06.160 Mindset it's like move fast and break. Things then you'll 2:52:06.240 --> 2:52:08.279 learn that maybe you broke something you shouldn't have. Broken 2:52:09.040 --> 2:52:12.320 but the consequence of that is that in the meantime 2:52:12.720 --> 2:52:13.840 you have thousands people shitting. 2:52:13.879 --> 2:52:18.760 Themselves, yeah or worse or or. Worse, yeah an, amazing 2:52:18.840 --> 2:52:22.240 amazing country that we've designed. 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