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Speaker 3: Welcome to it could happen here, a show that is
Speaker 3: sometimes about surveillance, digital privacy, in all the ways that
Speaker 3: little black rectangle you keep in your pocket could be
Speaker 3: used against you. I'm Garrison Davis. Today I am joined
Speaker 3: by Cooper Quentin, a security researcher and senior public interest
Speaker 3: technologist at the EFF or the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
Speaker 4: Cooper, Hello, Hey, Garris, I'm happy to be here again.
Speaker 5: Yes, always happy to have you on.
Speaker 3: And you will be especially useful today because we're going
Speaker 3: to be talking about geo fencing because last week the
Speaker 3: Supreme Court ruled that geofencing qualifies as a search under
Speaker 3: the Fourth Amendment. Now, before we get into what that
Speaker 3: means and why it's important, all.
Speaker 4: Very normal terms explicitly and understands.
Speaker 3: Before we do that, let's start to define some of
Speaker 3: our terms here, starting off with what is geo fencing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So the geofence warrants, which are what this case
Speaker 6: is about, are warrants to a tech company, usually Google,
Speaker 6: that say, give us all of the identity account ideas
Speaker 6: that had phones in this set of geographic coordinates and
Speaker 6: this time period. So they send that to Google. Google
Speaker 6: sends back a list of all of the accounts they know.
Speaker 6: I'm usually anonymized at first, but that were in that
Speaker 6: you know, geographic square from you know, I'm a to
Speaker 6: time be This.
Speaker 4: Is actually not something that Google does anymore.
Speaker 6: They've recently taken steps to no longer technically be able
Speaker 6: to respond to these warrants, which is a rare w
Speaker 6: for Google.
Speaker 4: But that is a geofence warrant. That's what's at the
Speaker 4: heart of.
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, I mean, And the goal is essentially to
Speaker 3: identify what phones and by extension, which people were present
Speaker 3: around the time a crime was committed to narrow down
Speaker 3: a suspect from a very large pool of just random
Speaker 3: people in an area.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly exactly.
Speaker 6: So there's a couple of ways you can think about this, right,
Speaker 6: if there was a protest and you want us to
Speaker 6: know their identities of all the protesters, you could get
Speaker 6: a geofence warrant for the area of that protest for
Speaker 6: the time of the protest. Or if there was a
Speaker 6: bank robbery which happens here, right, you get a geofence
Speaker 6: warrant for two locations you think the bank robber might
Speaker 6: have been in, and then you are able to narrow
Speaker 6: it down from the you know which identities show up
Speaker 6: in both places, right, and those that's your list of
Speaker 6: primary suspects.
Speaker 3: So the reason why we're talking about this today is
Speaker 3: because on Monday, June twenty ninth, in a six' to three,
Speaker 3: ruling The Supreme court found that police getting access to
Speaker 3: location data through a geofence does constitute a quote unquote
Speaker 3: search under The Fourth. Amendment and this this finding could
Speaker 3: have really big impacts on digital privacy. Rights the fact
Speaker 3: that geofencing is A Fourth amendment search means that the
Speaker 3: practice of geofencing is subject To Fourth amen restrictions and. Protections,
Speaker 3: now there's also been some, people i, think maybe exaggerating
Speaker 3: certain aspects of this, ruling because The court did not
Speaker 3: rule that geofence warrants are themselves, unreasonable just like in.
Speaker 3: General that's, Right that question is still is still going
Speaker 3: to be determined by The Fourth. Circuit but what the
Speaker 3: court did find here also should not be minimized or
Speaker 3: it also is pretty. Significant to quote from the majority,
Speaker 3: quote an individual has a reasonable expectation of privacy in
Speaker 3: records about his self, phones, location and police intrude on
Speaker 3: that constitutionally protected interest when they demand the, information even
Speaker 3: though for only a limited time and from a third
Speaker 3: party tech company. Unquote, well we'll get into some of
Speaker 3: what that's referencing in terms of like third party tech companies.
Speaker 3: Later as you, mentioned this case does revolve around a bank,
Speaker 3: robbery AND i want to get into some of the
Speaker 3: context of this because it also will help understand sort
Speaker 3: of the ongoing case regarding the specific geofense warrant that was. Used,
Speaker 3: so in twenty, nineteen someone made off with almost two
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars from a credit union and this suspect
Speaker 3: was seen on their phone prior to the. Robbery so
Speaker 3: police Asked google to hand over the location data for
Speaker 3: all cell phones or the devices in a one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty meters radius around the bank within an hour
Speaker 3: of that. Robbery nineteen anonymous users were first. Identified police
Speaker 3: then narrow that down to nine users who they got
Speaker 3: more information from From. Google they tracked their location for
Speaker 3: a longer period of time before police then requested personally
Speaker 3: identifying information on three, users which they then used to
Speaker 3: arrest the. Suspect so the suspect eventually pleaded, guilty but
Speaker 3: it was like a conditional plate because they were still
Speaker 3: challenging the evidence that was obtained through the geofense, warrant
Speaker 3: citing A Fourth amendment violation arguing that the warrant authorizing
Speaker 3: the location data search was, invalid and this claim made
Speaker 3: its way through the district, court to the appeals court
Speaker 3: to The Supreme, Court and we'll get into that in a.
Speaker 3: Bit you already laid out some of the details of
Speaker 3: the specific like geofense warrant that was. Used it has
Speaker 3: this three step. Process first this big, pool then a smaller,
Speaker 3: pool and then personal identifying information on the smallest. Pool
Speaker 3: one thing that is really interesting to me is that
Speaker 3: the process for setting up this warrant was set up
Speaker 3: with the help Of. Google they like worked together to
Speaker 3: make this process back when this was still like an
Speaker 3: emerging investigative avenue like, five, six seven years.
Speaker 4: Ago, yeah that's.
Speaker 3: Right and, also as you've, Mentioned google's location history feature
Speaker 3: operates differently now the information that is being collected is
Speaker 3: stored on the user's. Phone, yeah they don't have the
Speaker 3: same type of access that they had back in twenty
Speaker 3: nineteen in which this case.
Speaker 4: Emerges that's.
Speaker 6: Right they are no longer able to respond to geofense,
Speaker 6: warrants which is. Great this does not mean they can't
Speaker 6: respond to other types of, warrants and this doesn't mean
Speaker 6: that other companies won't respond to offense.
Speaker 5: Warrants, YEAH i.
Speaker 3: Guess do you want to discuss a few of the
Speaker 3: different ways in which location data is?
Speaker 5: Collected, yeah.
Speaker 6: Certainly so there's there's a couple of. Ways, LET'S i
Speaker 6: guess sandbox this entirely just to cell phone location because
Speaker 6: we don't want to go off on attention about licensed
Speaker 6: plate readers or other no tracking. Mechanisms but one of
Speaker 6: the big ways that that people have been that's kind
Speaker 6: of been on people's minds lately is advertising location. Data
Speaker 6: so this is like the product, weblock which is owned
Speaker 6: by this, company Pen, link WHICH i recently bought a
Speaker 6: contract with and several other force law enforcement agency to
Speaker 6: buy contract. With The Citizen lab just put out a
Speaker 6: pretty great report about.
Speaker 4: Them but the way that they get their.
Speaker 6: Data is through a combination of advertising APIs from. Applications,
Speaker 6: basically so when an application on their phone wants to
Speaker 6: show AN, ad first it sends a request to what's
Speaker 6: called a real time bidding, database and it sends a
Speaker 6: request with a unique idea for your phone called a
Speaker 6: mobile AD id or, made and some information about you
Speaker 6: which can include your. Location and then, companies any random,
Speaker 6: Company you OR i could set up a company to
Speaker 6: sit up these real time bidding centers and just kind
Speaker 6: of gather all the data and never make any bids
Speaker 6: or that, data never spend any, money just gather all
Speaker 6: that data of pairing people's mobile advertising idies whilst they're location.
Speaker 6: Information and this is exactly what weblock. Does so what
Speaker 6: they do is they sell this information to. Police police
Speaker 6: can then you, know buy access to this. Information and
Speaker 6: this is another thing that gets confused with geofencing a,
Speaker 6: lot but it's a different type of. Geofencing they can
Speaker 6: sort of draw a circle around a specific area and
Speaker 6: weblock will show them all of the information they have
Speaker 6: about phones that have been in that area recently or
Speaker 6: during a specific time.
Speaker 4: Period and that's not a geofence.
Speaker 6: Warrant that is a geofence search of a, database which
Speaker 6: which is essentially the same Thing google is doing on
Speaker 6: the back. End but there's no warrant involved in this.
Speaker 6: Case but that's a very that's a very common method of.
Speaker 7: Tracking the other, way the other way that they get
Speaker 7: data is just through code that they be in certain
Speaker 7: ad libraries that will get them that data sort of
Speaker 7: the same way about without going through the real time bidding.
Speaker 4: Process but it's still data being given to.
Speaker 6: Them basically by ad libraries that they pay a bit
Speaker 6: of money for to the ad company or.
Speaker 3: Whatever in a little, bit we'll discuss some of the
Speaker 3: implications of The Supreme court's, findings specifically all like the
Speaker 3: third party. Doctrine but do you think that there's a
Speaker 3: possibility that the ruling in this case might be able
Speaker 3: to be used to put up challenges towards something like
Speaker 3: advertising location.
Speaker 5: Collection.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Again i'm not a.
Speaker 6: Lawyer legal strategy is quite outside my general domain of,
Speaker 6: expertise but it certainly seems to me like there should
Speaker 6: be an opening, here.
Speaker 4: The big loophole that law enforcement has been.
Speaker 6: Exploiting, wellefully we call it the data broker, loophole, Right,
Speaker 6: yeah has been a the problem for a. While there
Speaker 6: was a bill called The Fourth Amendment Is not For Sale.
Speaker 6: Act it passed The house and then died in The. Senate,
Speaker 6: unfortunately it was proposed By Senator Ron wyden in twenty twenty.
Speaker 6: One that wasn't attempt to close this. Loophole but given
Speaker 6: the wording of the of the opinion, here you, know
Speaker 6: specifically around people's location data being very very much private,
Speaker 6: data you, KNOW i think that there's a reasonable argument
Speaker 6: to bring a case to The Supreme court about the sale.
Speaker 4: Specifically of cellular location.
Speaker 5: Data, yeah because they did rule.
Speaker 6: That the third party doctrine which we can get into
Speaker 6: does not apply to cellular location. Data so THAT'S i,
Speaker 6: MEAN i think that's a pretty big point in favor
Speaker 6: of shutting down the loophole for location, data for it
Speaker 6: would not shut down the loophole for other.
Speaker 3: Data but, yeah it is frustrating how we have to
Speaker 3: kind of take this one step at a, time and
Speaker 3: that's that is a sort of frustration that actually The
Speaker 3: Supreme court.
Speaker 4: Voiced, yeah reformism is Rough.
Speaker 3: Man, this like case by case app by app, approach
Speaker 3: does not actually make very much. Sense before we get into,
Speaker 3: that let's go back to the bank robbers initial initial
Speaker 3: challenge based on The Fourth. Amendment so a district court
Speaker 3: did agree that the search violent of The Fourth, amendment
Speaker 3: but it did not actually block the data from being
Speaker 3: permitted as, evidence because the court found that the police
Speaker 3: officer's reliance on the data was not quote unquote objectively,
Speaker 3: unreasonable allowing the quote good faith exemption to the exclusionary rule.
Speaker 3: Unquote this is basically because the technology was still new
Speaker 3: and because there was few leads in this, case the
Speaker 3: district court found that the officer's use of this was
Speaker 3: not necessarily, unreasonable so they have this good faith, exemption
Speaker 3: which which could become a problem later or might, not we'll.
Speaker 5: See.
Speaker 3: Now this was appealed to The Fourth, circuit who went
Speaker 3: back and forth a, bit initially ruling to one that
Speaker 3: the geofense did not even qualify as a, search so
Speaker 3: a warrant wasn't needed in the first. Place, now one
Speaker 3: judge dissented from, this arguing that the warrant issued was
Speaker 3: quote so lacking in particularity and probable cause that it
Speaker 3: was invalid. Unquote, now this too could become important later.
Speaker 3: On the Full Fourth circuit penalryheard the case, again but
Speaker 3: were divided seven to, seven half ruling the warrant violated
Speaker 3: The Fourth, amendment but most justices still found that the
Speaker 3: exclusionary rules good faith exception applied in this, case and
Speaker 3: that then leads us back to the Supreame, court and
Speaker 3: the ruling Last monday only actually covers The Fourth amendment
Speaker 3: aspect of the. Case they're not ruling on the good faith.
Speaker 3: Exemption and the fourth question itself is split into two.
Speaker 3: Issues did the police conduct a search under The Fourth
Speaker 3: amendment by.
Speaker 5: Acquiring location data From?
Speaker 3: Google and, second did the multi step geofense warrant issued
Speaker 3: in this? Case did that warrant make this search? Unreasonable,
Speaker 3: now the court only answered this first question did it
Speaker 3: actually qualify as a, search and handed off the second
Speaker 3: part of the question to The Fourth Circuit court Of,
Speaker 3: appeals who will then also rule on the good faith
Speaker 3: exemption aspect of this. Case to quote the majority, quote
Speaker 3: we leave it to The court Of. Appeals the further question,
Speaker 3: whether given the warrant, issued the search here was, reasonable
Speaker 3: meaning that each of its steps was properly described with
Speaker 3: particularity and found to be supported by probable cause, unquote
Speaker 3: just as taking the rights out instructions for The Fourth,
Speaker 3: circuit most of which relate just to The Fourth amendment,
Speaker 3: itself saying that The Fourth amendment protect against qute, unquote
Speaker 3: the unreasonable search and seizures of, persons, houses, papers and affec,
Speaker 3: x and requires that warrants may only be issued upon
Speaker 3: probable cause and must particularly describe quote the place to
Speaker 3: be searched and the persons or things to be seized.
Speaker 3: Unquote and this particularly requirement's going to be a big
Speaker 3: part of this of this case going, forward because to
Speaker 3: issue a, warrant a judge must determine if there's quote
Speaker 3: unquote fair probability that the evidence of a crime would be,
Speaker 3: found and that the search is of an appropriate. Scope
Speaker 3: this is quoting from the majority again quote that it's
Speaker 3: carefully tailored to its justifications and will not take on
Speaker 3: the character of the wide ranging exploratory searches that the
Speaker 3: framers intended to prohibit. Unquote and this is the specific
Speaker 3: key issue with these geofense, warrants the fact that they
Speaker 3: cast this large dragnet over just everyone in a certain
Speaker 3: area at a certain.
Speaker 5: Time that's.
Speaker 6: Right you're basically, searching you, know potentially hundred is potentially
Speaker 6: thousands of, people right if you imagine a geofense warrant
Speaker 6: In downpenn meant at or, something right, like you're treating
Speaker 6: everyone as a suspect right off the. Bat and THAT'S i,
Speaker 6: mean that's the problem with any any sort of mass,
Speaker 6: surveillance any sort of dragging that. Surveillance but that's exactly
Speaker 6: what this. Is and SO i, mean this is this
Speaker 6: is a good ruling by The Supreme. Court, Right it's not,
Speaker 6: perfect but it's surprisingly good given This supreme.
Speaker 3: Courtance, now a lot of this ruling is based on
Speaker 3: a previous, ruling where it's built on a previous ruling
Speaker 3: from twenty, eighteen this case Called carpenter. V United, states
Speaker 3: which was also a very important ruling that have affected
Speaker 3: the way police can gain access to cell phone location
Speaker 3: history through cell site.
Speaker 6: Towers, yeah so So carvener ruled that police required them
Speaker 6: weren't to get cell site location, information specifically historic cell
Speaker 6: site location INFORMATION csli is the recording for THAT csli
Speaker 6: is basically the police go to a phone company and
Speaker 6: say tell us who was connected to these towers at this?
Speaker 4: Time, right tell us what towers this phone connected?
Speaker 6: To and the core rule that that was essentially equivalent
Speaker 6: to putting a ankle monitor was their specific. Language yeah
Speaker 6: one everybody in THE, us right that that was that
Speaker 6: find ring location. Data and so they ruled that you
Speaker 6: needed a warrant to get that location, data which was
Speaker 6: a really excellent. Ruling this case was brought to The
Speaker 6: court on the basis of That Carpenter versus The United states,
Speaker 6: ruling and this reaffirmed and. Expanded the big difference was
Speaker 6: that the information That bloonbardment had gotten from the phone
Speaker 6: companies in this case covered a larger amount of, people
Speaker 6: but The chattree case covered a much smaller area and
Speaker 6: a much smaller amount of. People but The court decided
Speaker 6: that this ruling still applied even in the smaller, case
Speaker 6: which is. Great it's you, know really it's it's narrowing it, down,
Speaker 6: right which is how The Supreme court.
Speaker 4: Works. Right you get a broad ruling that then.
Speaker 6: Sort of exceptions to that, rule and like you, know
Speaker 6: the limits of that end up being, tested which brings
Speaker 6: us back to what we were saying, Before, Right, so
Speaker 6: like the next. THING i think the next thing to
Speaker 6: test is does this that's the spring POINT i think
Speaker 6: this ruling applies to purchased. Data, yeah it seems like
Speaker 6: maybe they hinted that a little, bit but it's you,
Speaker 6: know it won't be clear until somebody actually brings that
Speaker 6: case to The Supreme.
Speaker 3: Court one of the most promising sentences in the ruling, is,
Speaker 3: quote a new technology should not transform what individuals had
Speaker 3: reasonably thought they could withhold from the. Government, yeah AND
Speaker 3: i mean that sort of reasoning, Then and there's there's
Speaker 3: actually a lot of it throughout the majorities of. Ruling
Speaker 3: but like there's there's a lot of sentences like that
Speaker 3: that could that could be really really useful going. Forward,
Speaker 3: Yeah and like you, know a carpenter was itself based
Speaker 3: on another surveillance case called The United states Versus, jones
Speaker 3: which covered another method of tracking physical location on, movements
Speaker 3: and this was through using A gps to monitor a, vehicle,
Speaker 3: Right and that was a five four, ruling so very.
Speaker 3: Close but in that, case the court found THAT gps
Speaker 3: tracking does qualify as The Fourth amendment search because quote,
Speaker 3: unquote individuals have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the
Speaker 3: whole of their physical, movements, Right and essentially because of
Speaker 3: how difficult it was to at the time secretly monitor
Speaker 3: and track the movements of a, vehicle including on and
Speaker 3: off public, roads so including on private. Roads, yep it
Speaker 3: was then reasonable to expect a certain level of privacy
Speaker 3: because of how difficult this. Was but upon the proliferation
Speaker 3: OF gps, trackers the ease in which this type of
Speaker 3: government surveillance could be, achieved you, know changed. Dramatically and
Speaker 3: that's the context in Which Justice keigan is writing this
Speaker 3: sentence that a new technology to not transform what individuals
Speaker 3: had reasonably thought they could withhold from the.
Speaker 6: Government, yeah that's, Right AND i MEAN i think that
Speaker 6: that's a that's a really important sense for a lot of.
Speaker 4: Things.
Speaker 6: Right that's an important sentence for the fight against liceless
Speaker 6: slate readers and And block and the you, know other
Speaker 6: companies in that. Industry that's an important sentence for cellular location.
Speaker 4: Information. Right like this is a great, ruling, right but
Speaker 4: it leaves open.
Speaker 6: The whole, issue LIKE i was, saying of you, know
Speaker 6: being able to buy surveillance, information, right and like that's
Speaker 6: what enables licensed plate, Readers that's what enables companies that
Speaker 6: surveil social. Media that's what enables tools like weblock that
Speaker 6: sell location information from ad, tech, Right and it does
Speaker 6: seem like they are they are hinting that maybe they you,
Speaker 6: know that they are ready to rule on. That to,
Speaker 6: me it's a very it's it's a very self apparent,
Speaker 6: argument right that that just because locally bought something doesn't
Speaker 6: mean they should get around the.
Speaker 4: Warrant the terrible part of this is, that you, know
Speaker 4: we will.
Speaker 6: Probably have to argue in technology in its own rights
Speaker 6: unless you, know we had a Functioning congress and.
Speaker 3: Well they were able to pass very Popular let's not
Speaker 3: get too. Ridiculous let's not, Right let's keep things grounded
Speaker 3: in reality.
Speaker 6: Here, yeah, Yeah i'm Gonna i'm gonna hope for more
Speaker 6: realistic goals like totally.
Speaker 3: Anarchy, NO i mean, absolutely it would be great to
Speaker 3: see some of this stuff just be. Enshrined but there
Speaker 3: is there's a lot to look forward to considering this,
Speaker 3: ruling AND i think to that, point before we, close
Speaker 3: let's talk about the third party doctrine, specifically what is
Speaker 3: the third party?
Speaker 6: Doctrine so the third party doctrine is a doctrine in
Speaker 6: THE us law that states that people don't have a
Speaker 6: reasonable expectation of privacy in information that they've given to
Speaker 6: a third, party such as a phone company or a
Speaker 6: bank or a tech.
Speaker 4: Company. Yeah, essentially this is how historically law.
Speaker 6: Enforcement has gotten information from bone companies or from, banks et.
Speaker 4: Cetera are tech companies without or. Warrant and the heart
Speaker 4: of this ruling is that.
Speaker 6: The justice has said that cellular location data being the
Speaker 6: equivalent total surveillance to that of an inkle.
Speaker 4: Monitor, yeah the third party doctrine does not apply to
Speaker 4: cellular location.
Speaker 3: Data, yeah, because like the third party doction was set
Speaker 3: up specifically in reference, to like the types of financial
Speaker 3: information that you will hand over to a, bank right
Speaker 3: to do business at the, bank or by dialing a
Speaker 3: phone number the phone company that knows what the phone number. Is,
Speaker 3: right like those from the specific instances that established third party,
Speaker 3: doctrine and a third production was not applied In carpenter. V,
Speaker 3: us and So kagan wrote that for the very same
Speaker 3: reasons it should not be applied to location history from tech,
Speaker 3: companies and even more, specifically because the types of information
Speaker 3: that location history From google had access to was even
Speaker 3: more intimate and fine tuned than what you could get
Speaker 3: from just picking a cell.
Speaker 6: Tower that's, right because the location information From google is
Speaker 6: based on not only YOUR, TPS i mean it is
Speaker 6: YOUR gps, location which is fairly, accurate but also the
Speaker 6: like triangulations of your location From Wi fi devices And
Speaker 6: bluetooth devices around. You whereas the location you get FROM,
Speaker 6: csli which was what was at issue In, carpenter is
Speaker 6: going to depend on how dense.
Speaker 4: Cell towers are in the area you're, in because it's
Speaker 4: just mathetical equation of like what your signal.
Speaker 6: Strength is to your nearest free cell, towers and you
Speaker 6: can kind of triangulate somebody to a broader area based on. That.
Speaker 3: Well AND i, mean and location history from From google
Speaker 3: at this point was you, know tracking people's movements like
Speaker 3: every two. Minutes, yeah and could operate on a longitude
Speaker 3: and latitudes like they could not only just figure out
Speaker 3: where you were on a, map but if you were
Speaker 3: in a, building what floor you were on that building
Speaker 3: like much a much a much more fine tuned to look.
Speaker 4: Right altitude as.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah part of What carpenter found was that cell phone
Speaker 3: location information is quote unquote quantitatively different from telephone numbers
Speaker 3: and bank. Records, yes and so because of that, finding
Speaker 3: they applied that same logic to this. Case AND i
Speaker 3: want to read through kind of two paragraphs that is
Speaker 3: similar to the line about how you know people's expectation
Speaker 3: of privacy should not be changed because of technological. DEVELOPMENTS
Speaker 3: i think there's two lines here that that could become
Speaker 3: really important going forward in terms of how we understand
Speaker 3: like even just the notion of digital. Privacy, quote cell
Speaker 3: phone location information is not truly shared as one normally
Speaker 3: understands the, term because cell phones and the services they
Speaker 3: provide are such a pervasive and insistent part of daily,
Speaker 3: life indispensable to participation in modern, society that a person
Speaker 3: could hardly help but generate a trail of location data
Speaker 3: in no meaningful. Sense the court, thought does that mean
Speaker 3: the person voluntarily exposes to any third party a comprehensive
Speaker 3: dossier of his physical?
Speaker 8: Movements, yeah so.
Speaker 3: That's just as keke and kind of combining the analysis
Speaker 3: for this specific case with the analysis For. Carpenter and
Speaker 3: then she goes on to, write, quote the government's app
Speaker 3: by app feature by future method of Granting Fourth amendment
Speaker 3: protections misapprehends the very nature of modern cell phone. Use
Speaker 3: pretty much everything a person does on a smartphone requires
Speaker 3: some kind of opt. In the point of carrying cell
Speaker 3: phones is to use what's on, them As carpenter, said
Speaker 3: to use the apps and the services they. Provide that
Speaker 3: is what has become a pervasive and, insistent even indispensable
Speaker 3: part of daily. Life and so that is What carpenter
Speaker 3: insulated from the third party.
Speaker 5: Doctrine, yeah my.
Speaker 6: Short term memory is, Terrible So i've forgotten the exact,
Speaker 6: wording but the part where she's addressing how piecemeal it, is,
Speaker 6: right and how like She's, yeah this applies to all,
Speaker 6: Apps this applies to all uses of this location.
Speaker 4: Data never shall this be subject to the third party, doctrin.
Speaker 6: RIGHT i think that that is pretty damning or companies
Speaker 6: that are currently selling THE stata too law ENCORES i
Speaker 6: should be pretty damning.
Speaker 3: Anyway, yeah and like the idea that through simply using these,
Speaker 3: devices which are now necessary from our, life using these
Speaker 3: does not mean that we're voluntarily giving this data over
Speaker 3: to companies and by, extension the. Government they don't just
Speaker 3: have free access to it because we are using the
Speaker 3: things that are necessary for daily. Life if they want
Speaker 3: access to, it they have to go through the proper
Speaker 3: channels which are laid out in The Fourth. Amendment, yes
Speaker 3: you have to get a warrant at, Least, yes and
Speaker 3: so to close talk about kind of what this could
Speaker 3: mean going, forward, right because the question of whether the
Speaker 3: particular geofense weren't used in this bank robbery, case if
Speaker 3: that was reasonable or, unreasonable now goes to The Fourth,
Speaker 3: circuit who will determine if probable cause was established to
Speaker 3: support the scope of the, search and if the warrant
Speaker 3: satisfied the particularity. Requirements considering the fact that it cast
Speaker 3: a broad dragnet over a whole area rather than being you,
Speaker 3: know fine tuned to a specific suspect or even a
Speaker 3: group of. Suspects kagan wrote of the, warrant, quote how
Speaker 3: the officers would make their choices at the second and third,
Speaker 3: steps how they would pick the user's subject to more intense,
Speaker 3: Scrutiny the warrant said very, little. Unquote this is kind
Speaker 3: of part of like the instructions in which they are
Speaker 3: writing to The Fourth. Circuit, now the, suspect the bank
Speaker 3: robber suspect compared the geofense warrant to a quote unquote
Speaker 3: unconstitutional general warrant lacking and probable, cause with steps two
Speaker 3: and three of the warrant leaving quote too much authority
Speaker 3: to police officers and too little to the magistrate. Unquote
Speaker 3: so what that's saying is that in this like three step,
Speaker 3: warrant when the police are able to determine who in
Speaker 3: the broad pool of people caught in the drag net
Speaker 3: who to investigate, further that choice was just up to police.
Speaker 3: Officers that question was not laid out in front of a.
Speaker 3: JUDGE a judge did not authorize.
Speaker 4: That aspect of the.
Speaker 3: Search that was just up to the discretion of. Officers
Speaker 3: that is part of his argument that this was a constitutional. Violation,
Speaker 3: now of course that's not the government's, tick. Right the
Speaker 3: government claims that the information was quote unquote particularized information
Speaker 3: From google's, database based on probable cause to believe That
Speaker 3: google had the information that would help solve a. Crime
Speaker 3: they also argue that the discretion given to officers in
Speaker 3: the execution of steps two and three of the warrant
Speaker 3: fell within the bounds of. Reasonableness, so going, forward when
Speaker 3: The Fourth circuit rules on the reasonableness or unreasonableness of this,
Speaker 3: warrant they will also consider what The District court and
Speaker 3: The Fourth circuit themselves have previously ruled on they will
Speaker 3: reconsider the quote unquote good faith.
Speaker 6: Exemption, yeah the good face exception is a doctrine in
Speaker 6: THE us law that allows, generally evidence obtained without a
Speaker 6: warrant is an admissible in. Court the good faith exception
Speaker 6: allows for evidence which was obtained with a faulty warrant
Speaker 6: where the law enforcement agents had reasonable constable believe that
Speaker 6: it was a valid warrant and they they thought they
Speaker 6: were obtaining a lot of evidence would have in good
Speaker 6: faith with a valid, warrant that that evidence can still
Speaker 6: be admissible in court even if the warrant is found
Speaker 6: to be. Invalid so that's what they're that's what they'll
Speaker 6: be evaluating in this. Case and THEN i, mean that's
Speaker 6: what they've already decided, on and we'll have to decide on. Again,
Speaker 6: yeah even if this warrant is invalid or even if
Speaker 6: this data is, invalid because the second and third step
Speaker 6: didn't have a warrant associated with, them and this still
Speaker 6: be admissible in his case under good base.
Speaker 3: Exception and The Supreme court does have like instructions for
Speaker 3: how how they want the force circuits to reevaluate that,
Speaker 3: question knowing that they've already ruled on it, before but
Speaker 3: they are instructing them based, on you, know the legal
Speaker 3: opinion that is outlined in the, majority that they do
Speaker 3: have to reapproach this question with these new insights from
Speaker 3: The Supreme. Court there, is you, know evidence that rulings
Speaker 3: like this have impacted the way police operates, surveillance specifically
Speaker 3: by collecting information from like cell. Towers you are kind
Speaker 3: of the the expert in cell site, simulators and THERE'S
Speaker 3: i think reason to believe that The carpenter ruling also
Speaker 3: affected the way that cell site simulators were, used just
Speaker 3: by it not being the particular focus of that, ruling
Speaker 3: if you want to kind of as a very ending,
Speaker 3: note kind of discussed the rayhunter, project and you know
Speaker 3: how some previous rulings have like impacted the way that
Speaker 3: that type of surveillance has kind of fallen out of.
Speaker 5: Fashion, yeah for.
Speaker 6: Sure SO solfi simulator is also known as stingrays or.
Speaker 6: Mccatchers these are face cell towers that police set up
Speaker 6: to locate a specific person's cell phone OR i should
Speaker 6: say a specific cell phone which is often associated with
Speaker 6: a specific person with.
Speaker 4: A very, fine granular level of.
Speaker 6: Detail at the FF i and some of my colleagues
Speaker 6: have created a product called Rat hunter to get an
Speaker 6: idea of how often cell side simulators were.
Speaker 4: Being used in THE.
Speaker 6: Us, specifically what we were concerned about was that law
Speaker 6: enforcement could use a cell side simulator to spy on
Speaker 6: and identify the people present At First amendment protected, Activities
Speaker 6: so find out who is at a, protest find out
Speaker 6: who is going to an abortion, clinic find out who
Speaker 6: is showing up at a.
Speaker 4: Mosque, Right so that was the big concern we, had.
Speaker 6: Was that they were being used for that instead of
Speaker 6: or what police said they were using them, for which
Speaker 6: is man punts, basically or you, know identifying that somebody
Speaker 6: is in a specific location BEFORE spat team does a
Speaker 6: raid on that. House so for the last year or,
Speaker 6: so we've had hundreds of people all over the country
Speaker 6: bringing these devices around with them to protests and just you,
Speaker 6: know as they go about their daily lives to find
Speaker 6: out sort of what the lay of the land is
Speaker 6: and how often these are being.
Speaker 4: Used and the.
Speaker 6: Reasoning for this is that we were getting the impression
Speaker 6: that a lot of activists seem to have the impression
Speaker 6: that cell size emulators were being used at every, protest
Speaker 6: and that police were driving around with one of meds
Speaker 6: in every, car, Right and there was a lot OF i,
Speaker 6: think fear and uncertainty and doubt and sort of ope
Speaker 6: wisdom and misinformation going.
Speaker 4: Around so we wanted to be able to get some
Speaker 4: real facts on the ground to clear it.
Speaker 6: Up and so over the last, year what we've seen
Speaker 6: is we have seen evidence of cell size stimulators.
Speaker 4: Occasionally what we have not seen is a preponderance of.
Speaker 4: Them from what we're, seeing they're.
Speaker 6: Not being used constantly all the time, everywhere, Right they're
Speaker 6: being used much more rarely than most people.
Speaker 4: Think and we haven't seen really hardly any evidence of
Speaker 4: them being used at.
Speaker 6: Protests what we've seen is them being used kind of
Speaker 6: sometimes around major. Cities we've seen them being used outside
Speaker 6: THE us a, bit but inside THE, us we have
Speaker 6: not seen.
Speaker 4: Them being used for sort of the mass surveillance reason
Speaker 4: that we've.
Speaker 6: Feared that has been backed up by looking at the
Speaker 6: warrants for CeAl sizing leators that we've been able to
Speaker 6: get access, to been backed up by talking to people
Speaker 6: who are close with law enforcement and who you know
Speaker 6: who understand kind of how law enforcement is actually using.
Speaker 4: These what we're hearing and what we're, seeing the sort
Speaker 4: of evidence of is.
Speaker 6: That cell sizingulators are being used with warrants now Because
Speaker 6: lawns went by and large thinks that The carpenter ruling
Speaker 6: does apply to cell size simulators because that is cell
Speaker 6: site location.
Speaker 5: Information it's the same type of.
Speaker 6: Data it is the same exact type of, data, right
Speaker 6: and so it makes sense that a warrant should apply
Speaker 6: to that as. Well before when they figured a warrant
Speaker 6: didn't apply to, this right BECAUSE i don't, KNOW i
Speaker 6: don't know what the mental gymnastics were, there. RIGHT i
Speaker 6: think it's possible that these were used a lot. More
Speaker 6: but now it seems like most lawfirm agencies have from
Speaker 6: the conclusion that the federal government has come to a
Speaker 6: conclusion that this technology does require a warrant and that
Speaker 6: it's more useful or locating a specific person than identifying
Speaker 6: people in a specific. AREA i, think in addition to the,
Speaker 6: warrants it makes technical sense because if you want to
Speaker 6: find the people who are in a specific, area site
Speaker 6: stimulator is a, expensive, cumbersome complicated tool for doing. That
Speaker 6: when the alternatives are sending a geofence more.
Speaker 5: To, google Asking google just to tell, me, yeah.
Speaker 6: Asking google to tell you for apting the phone, company
Speaker 6: or a tower, dump getting a warrant for a tower,
Speaker 6: dump which is where you ask them to tell you
Speaker 6: everybody that was connected to.
Speaker 4: A specific, tower, yeah at a specific period of. Time
Speaker 4: that is something that is not addressed by any of
Speaker 4: These tower dumps are.
Speaker 6: Still a thing you can get with a, warrant, Right
Speaker 6: so that's that's an, Option and then of course all
Speaker 6: of the other methods of non cell phone based, surveillance,
Speaker 6: right face recognition is an.
Speaker 4: Option license pre readers are an.
Speaker 6: Option, Right, so there are so many easier ways to
Speaker 6: get the identities of everybody in a specific.
Speaker 4: Area it doesn't make sense to use the stimulators for.
Speaker 4: That and that's what we're.
Speaker 6: Seeing it seems like what we're being used for a
Speaker 6: vast majority of things is identifying that a specific person
Speaker 6: is in a specific house before a no knock rate is.
Speaker 6: Executed no knock rans are highly. PROBLEMATIC i am not
Speaker 6: a fan of the spat. Teams there's a lot of issues.
Speaker 6: There but if they're going to, happen LIKE i, guess, yeah,
Speaker 6: like let's let's make sure we're rating their right house
Speaker 6: so they can be sure of which dogs they're killing before.
Speaker 3: They, YEAH i, mean swatting has become a huge harassment
Speaker 3: tool for people just to deploy against someone that they
Speaker 3: don't like or an influencer that they find.
Speaker 5: Annoying and that is a real issue as.
Speaker 6: Well solifinny thing leaders are not the biggest issue, there,
Speaker 6: right the, yeah existence of swat teams and how liberally
Speaker 6: they're used is the much bigger.
Speaker 4: ISSUE i.
Speaker 3: Think so based on How carpenter seemingly affected the police's
Speaker 3: reticence to use cell site, SIMULATORS i, think like we've,
Speaker 3: discussed there's hope that this new ruling might also be
Speaker 3: able to be applied to some other surveillance methods that
Speaker 3: that will only really become clear over. Time there's there's
Speaker 3: one particular That i'm also interested, in is like keyword,
Speaker 3: warrants where police will just ask a tech company to
Speaker 3: like get information on all users who typed a specific
Speaker 3: thing into a search, bar, right, Right and so there's
Speaker 3: aspects of this recent ruling that could possibly apply to
Speaker 3: something like that as. Well but you, know Despite kagan's
Speaker 3: annoyance at the you, know apt by app way in
Speaker 3: Which Fourth amendment protections are. Granted organizations like legal rights
Speaker 3: organizations including like THE ff you, know might still have
Speaker 3: to kind of approach this from an f by app
Speaker 3: basis to get like confirmation that these things are subject
Speaker 3: to The Fourth. Amendment so it's something that we will
Speaker 3: see over time.
Speaker 6: Until and unless we can get comprehensive federal privacy, law
Speaker 6: which again is Not i'm Not i'm not holding out
Speaker 6: hope For congress to pass any privacy bills anytime anytime, soon.
Speaker 3: Not the immediate, future but we could hope one, day,
Speaker 3: Right and that is a real, thing same thing with
Speaker 3: like data. Centers this is something THAT i think people
Speaker 3: should try to build a mass movement.
Speaker 5: Around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely it is happening to some.
Speaker 6: Degrees at the state, level, Right california has a pretty
Speaker 6: good privacy. Law it's not, perfect but it's certainly better
Speaker 6: than the non existent federal. Ones montana became the first
Speaker 6: state to close the loophole allowing law enforcement to buy
Speaker 6: data from the third.
Speaker 4: Parties, Right so it's it's there.
Speaker 6: Is hope that at least at the state, level we
Speaker 6: can try to start closing these, loopholes you, know as
Speaker 6: a band aid until the federal government maybe steps up
Speaker 6: in four to eight to twenty.
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Speaker 1: Here my name Is dan Al kurd And i'm a
Speaker 1: researcher and analyst Of arab And palstin in. Politics TODAY
Speaker 1: i want to talk about, football, soccer, whatever And i'll
Speaker 1: just start by, saying, OBVIOUSLY fifa is a, terrible terrible
Speaker 1: organization and while there are many heartwarming events in This World,
Speaker 1: cup The World cup gets, me gets a lot of.
Speaker 1: Us despite, everything there have also been egregious incidents against
Speaker 1: players and referees and fans from the Global. South take for,
Speaker 1: example what happened to The somali referee who wasn't allowed
Speaker 1: to come into THE us to do his. Job he
Speaker 1: was kept hours and hours in the airport before being
Speaker 1: unceremoniously returned To. Somalia, similarly the head of The Palestine
Speaker 1: Football association was denied a visa in to The United,
Speaker 1: states not allowed to come to The World cup ON us.
Speaker 1: Soil this is in spite of the fact THAT fifa
Speaker 1: invited association heads from around the world to, attend and
Speaker 1: he did attend the opening game In Mexico. City or
Speaker 1: one of the worst, incidents if you can call it,
Speaker 1: that the way that The iranian team has been. Treated
Speaker 1: they weren't allowed to stay in THE us despite the
Speaker 1: games they were playing in this, country were constantly made
Speaker 1: to fly back To mexico after every. Game clearly they
Speaker 1: were put at a severe disadvantage because they weren't allowed
Speaker 1: to rest and recuperate like the other. Teams and, Listen
Speaker 1: i'm not going to say it as a, conspiracy but
Speaker 1: having not won but three goals discounted by var eventually
Speaker 1: leading to their elimination from the, tournament just adds insult to.
Speaker 1: Injury but LIKE i, said of, course there are many heartwarming.
Speaker 1: Stories for me as A, palestinian it's been great to
Speaker 1: see how Much palestine keeps popping. Up despite the fact
Speaker 1: that the environment in The United states is much more
Speaker 1: hostile on this issue than the Last World, cup people
Speaker 1: are still talking About palestine and advocating For. Palestine thousands
Speaker 1: Of bosnian, supporters for, example Turned toronto into a sea
Speaker 1: of blue as they marched towards the stadium for The canada,
Speaker 1: match Chanting Free, palestine and they did that in a
Speaker 1: number of Places, Englewood. Seattle they also Chanted palestine within
Speaker 1: the stadiums in multiple. Games at That canada, game activists
Speaker 1: also on fold a Kick israel out OF fifa banner
Speaker 1: and it makes sense really when you understand the experience
Speaker 1: Of bosnians with genocide themselves not too long. Ago, Similarly
Speaker 1: moroccan fans Held palestinian flags or Wore morocco jerseys with
Speaker 1: the Word palestine on, it and this showed up ON.
Speaker 1: Tv at the very opening match In Mexico, city Pro
Speaker 1: palestine demonstrators gathered to form a giant Human palestinian, flag
Speaker 1: And South korean fans Brought palestinian flags to the, tournament
Speaker 1: honoring a promise they made during their qualifying when their
Speaker 1: fans had, chanted will Take palestine to The World cup
Speaker 1: with us In. Gaza palestinians are watching the games. Too
Speaker 1: spain is the favorite team these days because of the
Speaker 1: government's position on The Israel palestinian conflict and because of
Speaker 1: superstar Player Lamg, jamal who has been unapologetically Pro. Palestine,
Speaker 1: obviously the genocide that has unfolded and go and the
Speaker 1: war in killing that continues in The Middle east in
Speaker 1: both occupy territories and In lebanon are part of the
Speaker 1: reason why this issue seems to be ever. Present but
Speaker 1: it didn't start with the. Genocide the story Of palestine
Speaker 1: at The World cup is more layer than, that and
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty Two World cup In kutar was a
Speaker 1: good demonstration of Why palestine keeps popping up and What
Speaker 1: palestine represents to, fans especially air ones then and everyone.
Speaker 1: NOW i know it might seem strange to be talking
Speaker 1: about this now a few years after the, fact But
Speaker 1: i've been thinking about it a, lot especially given everything
Speaker 1: that has unfolded, since AND i think The World cup
Speaker 1: moment is one of those events that gets more, interesting not,
Speaker 1: less as time passes back then as it does. Now
Speaker 1: it's showing us something, important not just About, palestine but
Speaker 1: about the limits of what governments can actually control when
Speaker 1: it comes to what their own people. Believe so let's
Speaker 1: get into. It palestine did not qualify for the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty Two World, cup The palastinian national football team was
Speaker 1: nowhere Near doha in an official, capacity and yet arabs
Speaker 1: from across the region and across the world began referring
Speaker 1: To palestine then as the thirty third, team Because palestine
Speaker 1: was everywhere at the twenty twenty Two World. Cup there
Speaker 1: Were palestinian flags draped over shoulders and. Stadiums crowds erupted
Speaker 1: into the chance Of, maltani The palestinian. Anthem After arab teams,
Speaker 1: won One tunisian fan ran onto the pitch mid match
Speaker 1: for The palestinian, flag and When morocco pulled off their
Speaker 1: historic upset Against spain so it's the First african And
Speaker 1: arab team to ever reach the semi finals of A World,
Speaker 1: Cup moroccan players ran to the crowd and held up
Speaker 1: The palestinian.
Speaker 9: Flag this was.
Speaker 1: Significant morocco had just signed The Abraham accords With israel
Speaker 1: only two years prior to this, game and their players
Speaker 1: didn't seem to. Care israeli journalists who traveled To kata
Speaker 1: to cover the tournament reported being coldly, received, followed and
Speaker 1: in some cases physically shut out of interviews by crowds
Speaker 1: Of arab. Fans some of these reporters were caught on
Speaker 1: camera claiming to be from other countries Like france Or
Speaker 1: switzerland in order to get people to talk to, them
Speaker 1: some of them masked their logos from their. Stations israeli
Speaker 1: media at the time expressed something between confusion and. Outrage
Speaker 1: one reporter, remarked And i'm paraphrasing, here but he basically
Speaker 1: said that the hostility wasn't just coming from governments as
Speaker 1: they had, assumed it was coming from ordinary. People and
Speaker 1: this surprised, them but it shouldn't have. Now none of
Speaker 1: this was purely. Spontaneous that's the part of the STORY
Speaker 1: i find most interesting and the part that gets maybe
Speaker 1: the least. Attention months before The World cup, began A
Speaker 1: quatari activist group Called Qatara youth opposed a normalization qayo
Speaker 1: n started. Planning they were founded in twenty eleven and
Speaker 1: by twenty twenty, two led predominantly By quatteri, women they
Speaker 1: had been working for over a decade to push back
Speaker 1: Against klatar's slow drift towards normalizing ties With, israel which
Speaker 1: is something The quatari government had been, entertaining largely under
Speaker 1: pressure from The United states and from its goal of
Speaker 1: neighbors and in a country where over eighty percent of
Speaker 1: people a post normalization With. Israel this, Organization Quartari youth
Speaker 1: had a, base but they had to work carefully because
Speaker 1: have unsanctioned civil society. Organizations there's all sorts of restrictions
Speaker 1: on independent, activism extremely severe. Anflutha but they saw The
Speaker 1: World cup as a, window an opportunity to turn what already,
Speaker 1: existed which was, deep widespread popular solidarity With, palestine into something,
Speaker 1: visible coordinated and impossible to. Ignore so they got to.
Speaker 1: Work they Persuaded kato's national team captain to wear A
Speaker 1: kafia patterned armband before the opening, match and then there
Speaker 1: was this hashtag the captain's armband Is, palestinian which started
Speaker 1: trending On Arabic. Twitter they reached out To quatari, influencers
Speaker 1: from prominent journalists who amplified the campaign across social, media
Speaker 1: and they called on local businesses to display signs that
Speaker 1: they were compliant with the, boycott the investment sanctions. Movement
Speaker 1: they also ran a kind of counterintelligence operation Against israeli,
Speaker 1: media because they were the ones that began Identifying israeli
Speaker 1: journalists and their logos on social, media flagging them so
Speaker 1: That arab fans at the tournament knew who to. Avoid
Speaker 1: and this is how those videos Of israeli broadcasters being
Speaker 1: turned away kept appearing. Online they also organized fans to
Speaker 1: chant For palisin at the forty eighth minute of every.
Speaker 1: Match that's not. Random that's a reference to nineteen forty
Speaker 1: eight and to The nekba where close To William Past
Speaker 1: indians were expelled from their homes with the founding Of Israeli.
Speaker 1: State key members Of katarith said the goal was to
Speaker 1: Turn arab fans from sympathizers into, participants and they were
Speaker 1: honest about something else. Too this only worked because the
Speaker 1: ground was already. Ready as they put, it the campaign
Speaker 1: would not have succeeded had it not been for people's
Speaker 1: own proactive support of The palestini. Cause and that's worth
Speaker 1: sitting with for a. Moment the organizing, mattered the strategy,
Speaker 1: Mattered but the reason it's spread so quickly so far
Speaker 1: is that there was already a fire. There katariuth just
Speaker 1: lit the.
Speaker 6: Match.
Speaker 1: Now to understand why people were so, upset you have
Speaker 1: to understand the abraham of. Courts i've talked about it
Speaker 1: on this podcast. Before the normalization agreements broken by The
Speaker 1: trumpet ministation in twenty twenty Between israel and THE uae
Speaker 1: The United Air emirates In bahrain and Later sudan And.
Speaker 1: Morocco these deals were sold as historic, breakthroughs as a
Speaker 1: new era of, peace and in terms of official diplomatic,
Speaker 1: relations they were. Breakthroughs they were, historic but there was a.
Speaker 1: Problem nobody asked the, people and these accords didn't solve.
Speaker 4: Anything.
Speaker 1: Now air public opinion surveys have consistently shown that the
Speaker 1: vast majority Of arabs oppose normalization With israel absent a
Speaker 1: resolution to the question Of palestinian statehood and the ongoing,
Speaker 1: occupation and in the most recent polling before the, accords
Speaker 1: it was something like eighty eight percent Of arabs across
Speaker 1: thirteen countries that rejected normalization With, israel and nearly two
Speaker 1: thirds of those cited the occupation Of pasadian land as their.
Speaker 1: Reason only seven percent cited something like religious. Objections the
Speaker 1: fear had always been that if you normalize relations With
Speaker 1: israel without a resolution to The Israeli palasadian, Conflict israel
Speaker 1: would not have any reason to try and resolve the
Speaker 1: conflict or address the grievances Of, palestinians That israel perhaps
Speaker 1: would become more aggressive if the guardrails were. Off so
Speaker 1: what The Abrahamic cords actually. Did from the perspective of Ordinary,
Speaker 1: arabs was deep in the sense that their governments wouldn't
Speaker 1: listen to, them were willing to sell them, out sell
Speaker 1: out The palestinians for economic and security arrangements that disproportionately
Speaker 1: benefited ruling classes, anyway and THE us is really security.
Speaker 1: Architecture i've written about this, academically and WHAT i found
Speaker 1: is a kind of paradox at the heart of these
Speaker 1: so called peace. Deals peace initiatives that don't address the
Speaker 1: root causes of conflict don't actually create. Peace they create
Speaker 1: a different kind of, violence a structural, violence because they
Speaker 1: maintain the root causes of, conflict and they enable authoritarian
Speaker 1: practices by. Governments So israel shares a lot of tools, surveillance,
Speaker 1: technology propaganda, framework security, cooperation both material and discursive, tools
Speaker 1: and these have a way of turning up in the
Speaker 1: hands of governments for pressing their own. Citizens Now i'm
Speaker 1: not saying The United Arab emirates Or bahrain needed encouragement
Speaker 1: to repress their own, citizens but it's just another added,
Speaker 1: layer another way that the red lines, shift and new
Speaker 1: ways that these governments can attack their own citizens and
Speaker 1: their own. Activists for, example and about the activists involved
Speaker 1: in anti normalization. Activities after the accords became targets of surveillance,
Speaker 1: operations and people who spoke out about the deals faced travel.
Speaker 1: Bins In, bahrain civil society organizations were newly. Restricted the
Speaker 1: quote unquote peace came with the repressive apparatus baked, in
Speaker 1: which is exactly why when thousands Of arabs gathered and
Speaker 1: has public squares to watch The World. Cup the energy
Speaker 1: Around palestine wasn't some just like emotional, sentiment and it
Speaker 1: wasn't a. Relic it was. Fresh it was the anger
Speaker 1: of people who had just watched their governments make deals
Speaker 1: they never asked, for and deals that were used to
Speaker 1: oppress them and not solve the postaining. Issue there is
Speaker 1: a concept that academics and activists have used called sports.
Speaker 1: Normalization the idea is that, sports because they're presented as
Speaker 1: a political or maybe as, entertainment as a space above,
Speaker 1: politics they can be it used as a soft avenue
Speaker 1: for normalizing relationships that would be otherwise politically. Controversial israel
Speaker 1: has long pursued the. Strategy the logic, is If israel
Speaker 1: And arab athletes compete, together then this image of coexistence
Speaker 1: replaces the political reality of. Occupation you don't need any
Speaker 1: kind of solution or diplomatic. Agreement you just need enough
Speaker 1: footage of An israelian moroc and shaking hands on the
Speaker 1: pitch to make people feel like things are moving in
Speaker 1: a good. Direction got the youth were very explicit about targeting.
Speaker 1: This they hosted panels on sports. Normalization they released a
Speaker 1: statement pointing out That western political boycotts Of russia extended
Speaker 1: to sporting events after the invasion Of, ukraine and nobody
Speaker 1: then complained that sports were being mixed up with, politics
Speaker 1: and to, them the inconsistency was. Glaring that mixing sports
Speaker 1: with politics was apparently fine when it was about Sanctioning,
Speaker 1: russia admittedly very, appropriately but somehow inappropriate when it came
Speaker 1: To palestinian, rights and this double. Standard i've encountered it
Speaker 1: constantly in my, work the insistence that The pastadian cause
Speaker 1: is uniquely, problematic uniquely in need of being kept out
Speaker 1: of polite conversation or. Unreasonable this insistence falls apart the
Speaker 1: moment you compare it to any other conflict where The
Speaker 1: west has chosen a. Side, now The World cup made
Speaker 1: that visible in real time when The palasinian flag showed
Speaker 1: up in a stadium In. Doha it wasn't just a
Speaker 1: symbol of. Solidarity it was an. Argument it, said this
Speaker 1: issue is not. Resolved we have not moved. On it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what The abraham records said or how many
Speaker 1: photo ops it's going to make any of this go.
Speaker 4: Away.
Speaker 1: NOW i want to dwell for a minute On, morocco full.
Speaker 1: Disclosure that's the TEAM i. SUPPORT i hope they go
Speaker 1: as far as. Possible But morocco is an interesting case
Speaker 1: AND i think it illuminates something about the limits of
Speaker 1: top down. Normalization LIKE i, said The moroccan government signed
Speaker 1: The Abraham, accords and the deal actually INCLUDED us recognition
Speaker 1: Of moroccan sovereignty Over Western, sahara Which morocco has long
Speaker 1: occupied itself a case of a people's right to self
Speaker 1: determination being traded away in this diplomatic agreement. Situation so
Speaker 1: it was a completely cynical arrangement all. Around and yet
Speaker 1: When morocco Beats spain and reached the semi, finals their
Speaker 1: players held up The palestinian. Flag When morocco Beat portugal
Speaker 1: and the streets of robot And casablanca, erupted The palstinian
Speaker 1: flag was there, too and fans In doha who had
Speaker 1: traveled from Across North africa and The Middle east were
Speaker 1: Wearing Palstenian kafia's chanting For. Palestine, now The moroccan government's
Speaker 1: deal With israel did not transfer to The moroccan. People
Speaker 1: and this is the key insight from The World, cup
Speaker 1: the one THAT i keep coming back to that governments
Speaker 1: can sign, papers but they can't really sign on behalf
Speaker 1: of public. Sentiment and these countries are not, democratic so
Speaker 1: any kind of push to do something like this seems
Speaker 1: like a betrayal to their own, citizens and they can't
Speaker 1: normalize what has not been normalized in the hearts and minds.
Speaker 4: Of their own.
Speaker 1: Citizens there is a kind of arrogance in The Abraham recurts.
Speaker 1: Framework the assumption is that if you get the right,
Speaker 1: signatures if you get the right photo op on The
Speaker 1: White house, lawn that the conflict can be ignored at
Speaker 1: that The palstinian cause can. Recede but The World cup
Speaker 1: was a direct refutation of that. Assumption Now i've been
Speaker 1: thinking about all of this in the context of everything
Speaker 1: that has happened since the side In, gaza the daily,
Speaker 1: images the death, tolls the wholesale destruction Of gazan, society
Speaker 1: and the ongoing question of what normalization means now and
Speaker 1: whether any of Those abraham courts frameworks can survive what
Speaker 1: the world has watched happen. NOW i do think it will.
Speaker 1: Survive these governments do not care about what happened In.
Speaker 1: Gaza but what it shows is that the fears around
Speaker 1: The abraham recurts were completely. Founded ignoring The israeli pacinating
Speaker 1: conflict would lead to an escalation in the. VIOLENCE i
Speaker 1: think The World's cup moment was a preview back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Two it told us something about where Popular
Speaker 1: arab opinion actually, was not where governments claimed it, was
Speaker 1: and not Where western media assumed it, was but where
Speaker 1: it actually. Was and it showed us that organized strategic
Speaker 1: activism can channel that sentiment that something visible and politically
Speaker 1: costly for the forces of normalization. Now Kotar youth post
Speaker 1: A normalization was a small, group and they were operating
Speaker 1: under real restrictions in a country that doesn't allow independent civil,
Speaker 1: society and they still managed to turn a global sporting
Speaker 1: event into one of the most visible expressions Of pastenian
Speaker 1: solidarity in. Years and that matters not because a football,
Speaker 1: tournament a soccer, tournament is going to solve.
Speaker 4: Anything it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't palestinian families don't get their homes back because people
Speaker 1: flew a flag in a, Stadium but movements build over
Speaker 1: time and through moments of, visibility through the accumulation of,
Speaker 1: pressure and through the refusal to let the issue, disappear
Speaker 1: into a manufactured consensus that was never real to begin.
Speaker 1: With and today in twenty twenty, six this is not
Speaker 1: specific To air. Republics Even western publics have seen their
Speaker 1: governments ignore, genocide have seen their rights recede as their
Speaker 1: government's ally to protect genocide in a variety of. Ways
Speaker 1: Now i'll end with something a little more. Personal WHEN
Speaker 1: i watched Those World croup crowds back in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: two WHEN i saw all these Different, Arabs moroccans And
Speaker 1: tunisians And, saudis people from countries that have varying in
Speaker 1: complicated relationships with this, issue all waiving The palestinian, FLAG
Speaker 1: i felt a kind of. Hope and it's not. Naive
Speaker 1: it's not the hope that this will be resolved soon or,
Speaker 1: easily but the hope that's Says palestinians are not, alone
Speaker 1: and the cause is not. Forgotten and the silence that
Speaker 1: has been imposed on this, question attempted silence top down
Speaker 1: for so, long is not the consent it pretends to.
Speaker 1: Be governments can sign a, chords but they can erase
Speaker 1: what people, know and they cannot sign away what people.
Speaker 1: Feel when they watch a team lose and a flag
Speaker 1: goes up in a stadium and thousands of people start.
Speaker 1: Chanting palestine keeps showing up uninvited at every table that
Speaker 1: tries to exclude, it AND i think it will keep doing.
Speaker 1: That thank you so much for listening To it Could Happen.
Speaker 1: Here I'm Dan, Algirt.
Speaker 5: Welcome To It Could Happen? Here a podcast about firing
Speaker 5: your boss and keeping them fired and then making their
Speaker 5: not be. Bosses that was an extremely long and slightly
Speaker 5: cumbersome intro from your host To Mio. Loong but with
Speaker 5: me today to talk about how to do such a
Speaker 5: thing Is Reisa, Freiheit tabby And daniel from THE iww
Speaker 5: who are part of a tour talking about just. That
Speaker 5: so all three of, you welcome to the. SHOW, iiky
Speaker 5: thank you for having. Us, Yeah i'm so excited me as,
Speaker 5: WELL i.
Speaker 10: Mean i'm excited for every TIME i do something like
Speaker 10: this Because i'm very much an attention Horror i've few
Speaker 10: as though as an, ACTRESS i kind of have to.
Speaker 5: BE i, mean, yeah that is kind of you, know
Speaker 5: you do you? ARE i, guess, like, yeah trying TO
Speaker 5: i don't, Know oh my, god how DO.
Speaker 4: I do a better? TRANSITION i don't?
Speaker 5: Know you have to ask my? Doctor, okay never, mind
Speaker 5: we're leaving. It the part about how to do a better.
Speaker 5: Transition we're leaving. It you'd have to ask my.
Speaker 4: DOCTOR i like.
Speaker 5: This this is great speaking of a union that has
Speaker 5: a unbelievable number of trans people in it these. Days.
Speaker 5: Yeah so we have on the show talked a little
Speaker 5: bit about the industrial workers of the. World we have
Speaker 5: had SOME iww unions on the. Show but, yeah today
Speaker 5: we're also going to be talking about sort of the
Speaker 5: history of the union and something cool that the union is.
Speaker 5: Doing SO i guess to start, off can you three
Speaker 5: give a kind of brief introduction to, like you, know
Speaker 5: like the one sentence like what is this? Thing and
Speaker 5: then what is this tour that you're?
Speaker 6: Doing?
Speaker 9: Yeah so this tour is The Decentralized tour there's not
Speaker 9: like a small number of like experts so to, speak
Speaker 9: we're touring in the country giving a speech or talking about.
Speaker 9: Things it's more like each INDIVIDUAL iww branch that is
Speaker 9: participating is planning and organizing its own. Event but we're
Speaker 9: coordinating on a national level and trying to promote this
Speaker 9: very broadly to the public because THE iww hasn't done
Speaker 9: a very like public, event especially a national one like
Speaker 9: this and quite some, time and so we feel like
Speaker 9: the moment is calling for something like.
Speaker 5: This, yeah and SO i guess we can now, ask,
Speaker 5: okay like what actually is THE, Iww and how do
Speaker 5: we explain to people that it is in fact called
Speaker 5: The Industrial workers of The, world not The International workers
Speaker 5: of The. World and also that it is not just
Speaker 5: a union of people who work in heavy.
Speaker 11: Industry, well we're The Industrial workers of The world because
Speaker 11: we organize. Industrially we want to organize all the workers
Speaker 11: in each industry and not by their.
Speaker 5: Trade, yeah.
Speaker 10: Exactly so an EXAMPLE i always, use you, know since
Speaker 10: I'VE i mean so much student, dad what happens when
Speaker 10: you're getting your masters and you're doctorate is say there's
Speaker 10: a school university instead of what traditional unions, do which,
Speaker 10: is you, know you have the teachers, union and then
Speaker 10: like the janitors, union and you know the thas union
Speaker 10: and all these separate union is like a cafeteria worker,
Speaker 10: union et. Cetera you just have one big. Union that's
Speaker 10: one of the things THE iww is. Code you just
Speaker 10: have one union across all these. Things so everyone from
Speaker 10: the teachers to the thas to the janitors to everyone
Speaker 10: in between is in the same, union in the same bargaining.
Speaker 5: Unit and we don't just stop at one.
Speaker 11: Industry the goal of THE iww is to organize all industries.
Speaker 11: Industrially capital is organized this, way and workers really ought
Speaker 11: to do the same.
Speaker 10: Exactly we have everyone from sex workers to, actresses to
Speaker 10: carpenters to especially back in the, day a lot of,
Speaker 10: miners you, know everyone you can think. Of as long
Speaker 10: as you don't have hiring or firing power and aren't
Speaker 10: a copper active duty, military you can join THE. Iww,
Speaker 10: Yeah and that's.
Speaker 5: Something THAT i THINK i think we've got to on
Speaker 5: this show a little, bit which is, that LIKE i,
Speaker 5: mean obviously it depends a lot on where you, are
Speaker 5: but like a lot of the organizing THE iww does
Speaker 5: is with service workers and service workers and shops that
Speaker 5: every other union looks at and, goes, well you're not
Speaker 5: worth organizing because we can't get enough. Money you'r members
Speaker 5: out of. It and that's SOMETHING i don't, KNOW i
Speaker 5: think is really valuable in this moment where, yeah like
Speaker 5: unbelievable numbers of people are doing service. Work that's like
Speaker 5: What that's what the economy is built. On if you're
Speaker 5: committed from the start to organizing all sectors and all
Speaker 5: workers and all, industries you don't end up in a
Speaker 5: place where you just right, off you, know like entire
Speaker 5: sectors of the economy that are a lot of times
Speaker 5: the people who most desperately need to.
Speaker 9: Organize, Yeah and that's like exactly why THE iww was
Speaker 9: born in the first, place was because the trade unions
Speaker 9: back in the nineteen hundreds were ignoring all of the unskilled,
Speaker 9: workers so to, speak like the miners and like the dock.
Speaker 9: Workers but THE iww all the way back nineteen oh
Speaker 9: five was, saying what is still saying today is that
Speaker 9: all workers need a. Union And i'm a, Bartender i'm a.
Speaker 9: Server i've been one since i was sixteen years, old
Speaker 9: my whole working, life And my experience as just a
Speaker 9: working class person has drawn me to THE. Iww it's, Philosophy,
Speaker 9: yeah because no other union really cares about, us but
Speaker 9: thew is. There and like you, said like that's what
Speaker 9: most workers in this or not, most but a large
Speaker 9: chunk of workers in this country are service. Workers it
Speaker 9: makes up like a third of the.
Speaker 11: Economy, yeah and, moreover the industrial workers of the world
Speaker 11: teach us the tools to make change in our.
Speaker 4: Workplace.
Speaker 11: Right other unions are something of a service, model, right
Speaker 11: they themselves become a service for their clients who are the.
Speaker 11: Workers but what THE iww teaches is that it's on, us,
Speaker 11: right we need to make the change in our. Workplace
Speaker 11: we have to analyze the, conditions really understand the imbalance
Speaker 11: of power that.
Speaker 4: The bosses have over us as wage, workers and change.
Speaker 11: Them and that means talking to our, colleagues, learning, analyzing
Speaker 11: and then taking, action direct action to make the.
Speaker 4: Changes that we.
Speaker 11: Want because only, us we're the ones who know what's
Speaker 11: best for our, workplace what's best for our, industry, right
Speaker 11: and we're in a position to make that change when
Speaker 11: we organize horizontally in that.
Speaker 4: Way.
Speaker 10: Yeah the thing THAT i really love about THE iww
Speaker 10: is that it's a very good teacher in many. Ways you,
Speaker 10: know so many, people you, know aren't fortunate to have
Speaker 10: the incredible amount of education THAT i have in you,
Speaker 10: know really being able to study the material conditions of,
Speaker 10: capitalism of really kind of getting at the center, of you,
Speaker 10: know how change is. Made AND i find that with
Speaker 10: THE iww in the way we, organize no classroom in
Speaker 10: the world can teach, you as well as your own,
Speaker 10: experience that the way to revolutions not electing some. Politician
Speaker 10: the way to the revolution isn't handing your power to
Speaker 10: some union. Bureaucrat the way to the, revolution to, socialism to,
Speaker 10: communism to industrial, democracy to the abolition of the wage
Speaker 10: system is direct. Action is doing it. Yourself is shop floor.
Speaker 10: Organizing and when workers realize that they have power over
Speaker 10: their own lives and destinies at, work they realize that
Speaker 10: they have power over all of. Society once we come
Speaker 10: together and decide upon, something there is no employer who
Speaker 10: can stop.
Speaker 8: Us you.
Speaker 5: Know Big Bill, haywood who's a very very FAMOUS oldww,
Speaker 5: member has this line where he, Goes i've never read,
Speaker 5: capital BUT i have its stars on my. Back many
Speaker 5: memes have been made of. That, yeah and it's it's
Speaker 5: something THAT i don't, know like SOMETHING i do appreciate
Speaker 5: kind of About like my experience with the union has been,
Speaker 5: that like it's a place where you, know the theoretical
Speaker 5: stuff that you're doing right is stuff that's drawn from
Speaker 5: just the immediacy of, Like, okay we have to get
Speaker 5: a bunch of people to show up to a meeting
Speaker 5: so that you, know we can do this. Union we
Speaker 5: have to like talk to people and we have to
Speaker 5: like get people organized to be able to do direct.
Speaker 5: Actions we have to be able to like get people
Speaker 5: to show up in this place and like do all
Speaker 5: of the sort of like you, know just the like
Speaker 5: the the nitty pretty technical work of like fighting a class.
Speaker 5: Struggle but it's this place where, like, yeah you actually
Speaker 5: get theory that's drawn from action and is sort of
Speaker 5: unified with it because you just you have to do it,
Speaker 5: right like you have to get anyone to do the thing,
Speaker 5: constantly and there's no one else who can do it for.
Speaker 5: You there's just you and your fellow. Workers and it's,
Speaker 5: yeah it's you and your fellow workers and you're fighting
Speaker 5: against the, boss and it it rocks and Then once
Speaker 5: you feel, it you're.
Speaker 11: Hooked, yeah, right once you really get to experience that
Speaker 11: that sort of, camaraderie that closeness you actually get with
Speaker 11: your co, workers when you know your comrades and, struggle
Speaker 11: you're working together towards. Something it's way bigger than any, department,
Speaker 11: right or institution or. Anything it's a matter of creating
Speaker 11: the world that we want for, ourselves the world that
Speaker 11: like we are entitled as workers as a creator of
Speaker 11: all this wealth and all of these great things that
Speaker 11: that humans are capable.
Speaker 4: Of, like that's that's what The wobblies are all, about
Speaker 4: in my humble, opinion.
Speaker 9: Just kind of just bringing up for, me like one
Speaker 9: of the most remarkable things about THE Iww, historically like
Speaker 9: in it's, heyday it had nearly half percent of all
Speaker 9: workers in this country within its, ranks and like The
Speaker 9: wobbley philosophy like spread like wildfire across the, country and
Speaker 9: it was just spread by regular rank file workers who
Speaker 9: were empowered.
Speaker 4: And believed in.
Speaker 9: Something, yeah and you, know it's it's sad to say,
Speaker 9: that like today a lot of workers don't even know
Speaker 9: what THE iww, is what it. Means it's like what
Speaker 9: it's done so like that is part of the reason
Speaker 9: why we're doing the firebus words to like actually become
Speaker 9: a phenomenon again and to have people recognize us and, like,
Speaker 9: no the wildly way of.
Speaker 10: Organizing you, know, YEAH i cannot tell you the amount
Speaker 10: of times you, Know I've i've been talking with you,
Speaker 10: know other union organizers and they, said, wait THE iww still.
Speaker 5: Exists, yeah that's the thing happens a, lot or even.
Speaker 10: Worse they don't know about it at. All and, again
Speaker 10: as a historian of our union and somewhat long time
Speaker 10: Member i've been a member since twenty, nineteen it really
Speaker 10: pisses me. Off pissed me off to the degree that last,
Speaker 10: year for one hundred and twentieth, ANNIVERSARY i produce and
Speaker 10: performed in a wabversary live. Stream we had people from
Speaker 10: four different countries and multiple different branches just call into
Speaker 10: the show shout out the caveat In New York city
Speaker 10: they hosted. Us and that kind of just really feeds
Speaker 10: into why we're doing Fire Your, boss BECAUSE i know
Speaker 10: all of us want THE iww to be like known
Speaker 10: and you, know not just as a union that THE
Speaker 10: us government, killed which by the, way they failed to,
Speaker 10: do but as a vibrant force that is an alternative
Speaker 10: do not only you, know wage, slavery but unions as
Speaker 10: a service and you, know not unions as you and
Speaker 10: your coworkers and your.
Speaker 5: Comrades, yeah and that's SOMETHING i think comes up a
Speaker 5: lot in, organizing which is like a lot of the
Speaker 5: history of what the union is not just sort of
Speaker 5: the history of LIKE i guess what you would call
Speaker 5: like The heyday in the nineteen hundreds and like you
Speaker 5: know through that's like the nineteen, twenties but like the
Speaker 5: modern history of the union has just been suppressed or.
Speaker 5: DISAPPEARED i think people now are kind of getting an understanding, that,
Speaker 5: like there was A starbucks union before the Current starbucks
Speaker 5: union that like aaw. ORGANIZED i think people tend to
Speaker 5: think of it as like it was like some shops
Speaker 5: In New, york and it's, like, no, no it. Wasn't
Speaker 5: it was all over the. Country there was a whole
Speaker 5: bunch of shit that they. Did there were enormous numbers
Speaker 5: of workers, involved and it's a thing that like it's
Speaker 5: both from from a historical perspective but also from the
Speaker 5: perspective of like just generationally we tend to lose like
Speaker 5: movement knowledge as as each generation comes down because a
Speaker 5: lot of the stuff just isn't passed.
Speaker 10: On no one knows The internationale, anymore, Lame no one
Speaker 10: knows The internationale.
Speaker 5: Anymore, yeah but it's not even just. That it's like
Speaker 5: there's stuff that like happened in our lifetime that like
Speaker 5: people you probably have met were involved with that like
Speaker 5: is just. Gone like the EXAMPLE i always talked about
Speaker 5: on this show And i'm gonna keep talking about until
Speaker 5: every single person in the left was about it was
Speaker 5: The Wahaka. Uprising we're like, yeah like also Like wobbli's
Speaker 5: like went through this and we're in. It but it's, like,
Speaker 5: yeah like people In mexico like took a Major North
Speaker 5: american city and held it longer than The Paris commune.
Speaker 5: Did and this was in two thousand and. Six LIKE
Speaker 5: i guess maybe there are some of you, now horrifyingly
Speaker 5: who weren't alive for. That but, like nice way to
Speaker 5: make me feel. OLD i. Know it's a Namer the
Speaker 5: history and possibility of, STRUGGLE i think like just gets
Speaker 5: lost in ways where people suddenly don't realize that like, yeah,
Speaker 5: no like in in your, lifetimes people formed giant assemblies
Speaker 5: and took control of like a Major North american city
Speaker 5: and held it for. Months like that's the thing that
Speaker 5: we all lived.
Speaker 11: Through it's a long, memory, RIGHT i, mean it's a
Speaker 11: powerful weapon that we have when we actually remember these. Things,
Speaker 11: yeah when we really learned from them and we realized that's,
Speaker 11: ourselves that is our, history that is a people's, history.
Speaker 5: Right we are learning somebody else's.
Speaker 11: History were living right in the world of the ruling, class,
Speaker 11: right and we just need to realize that we're in
Speaker 11: the position to change. It we're the ones who do,
Speaker 11: it who make the history and really create the world
Speaker 11: we want in the shell in all of, this like you,
Speaker 11: know buckering that's going on around the, world it's on.
Speaker 5: Us While i'm talking About mexico to talk about a
Speaker 5: very different part Of, MEXICO i do you want to
Speaker 5: mention like maybe MY i don't know if it's like.
Speaker 5: Heir like one of the pieces Of wobbley like history
Speaker 5: THAT i really like THAT i think never gets talked
Speaker 5: about is the fact, that in a similar way that
Speaker 5: like what happens, today there's there's a lot of connections
Speaker 5: between workers in like workers In, california workers In mexico
Speaker 5: and there's a bunch of people moving back and forth
Speaker 5: across the. Border there's workers moving, around and there was
Speaker 5: a whole bunch Of Mexican wobbleys of various, kinds and
Speaker 5: a whole bunch Of wobbley's like went over and fought
Speaker 5: in The Mexican revolution because it was it was the
Speaker 5: thing to.
Speaker 12: Do.
Speaker 10: Yeah the collaboration was to the point that multiple locals
Speaker 10: in various states In mexico and Also california And, arizona
Speaker 10: they were literally like, merged so it was literally like
Speaker 10: the same local across you, know national.
Speaker 5: Borders, yeah and If i'm remembering, correctly like THE iww
Speaker 5: like took a Few mexican cities like in the north
Speaker 5: because they were the people who were just doing the uprising.
Speaker 10: There, yeah put them and their allies in The parti
Speaker 10: De Liberal, mexicano which do not be confused by the,
Speaker 10: name was an anarchist. Group that is the whole history
Speaker 10: in and of itself.
Speaker 5: One of the all time funniest Things i've ever seen
Speaker 5: of just, yeah we named ourselves A Liberal party Of,
Speaker 5: mexico but were. Anarchists but just incredible stuff going on
Speaker 5: in the nineteen.
Speaker 10: Hundreds it was a very different.
Speaker 5: Time, yeah speaking of very different. Times, yeah do you
Speaker 5: want to talk more about sort of what is going
Speaker 5: to be involved in this tour AND i guess also
Speaker 5: like how people can get involved with, it learn and
Speaker 5: hopefully like start organizing and fighting in their.
Speaker 4: Workplaces.
Speaker 9: Yeah so the rough curriculum or agenda for the tour
Speaker 9: has like four or five primary like. Sections but LIKE
Speaker 9: i said at the beginning of this, conversation like it's
Speaker 9: a decentralized, Tour so each branch is going to do
Speaker 9: it a little bit, differently but roughly it's going to
Speaker 9: be first like, people we're going to try to like
Speaker 9: talk with people who, attend like see what people's current
Speaker 9: conception of a union. Is just like kind of talk
Speaker 9: about unions broadly and how people perceive, them and then
Speaker 9: transition into talking about the IWW's way to do unions
Speaker 9: and solidarity, unionism which doesn't necessarily rely on recognition from
Speaker 9: the state or, Capital like we recognize ourselves as the,
Speaker 9: union you, know we take direct. Action we're very, democratic very,
Speaker 9: caring you, know talking about, yeah the IWW's way to
Speaker 9: do unionism and, industrially like how do you do industrial,
Speaker 9: unions and then and moving into how unions can be
Speaker 9: a revolutionary force and how like we're facing all these
Speaker 9: things we're up, against like THESE fbi rates and multiple
Speaker 9: like cities and states across the. COUNTRY ice is like
Speaker 9: literally murdering people in the. Streets we've like got genocides
Speaker 9: going on all over the. Place and by taking back
Speaker 9: control of our labor and shutting shit, down we can
Speaker 9: be a revolutionary. Force AND i feel like a lot
Speaker 9: of people have kind of forgotten about the live movement
Speaker 9: and so to, speak because of how shitty like these
Speaker 9: trade unions can be sometimes and how, bureaucratic and so you,
Speaker 9: know we should remember that these are really powerful like
Speaker 9: things to be. Doing and then we'll wrap it up
Speaker 9: with just talking about like next steps and. Things hopefully
Speaker 9: get people out to organizer, trainings just get people connected
Speaker 9: to their local, branches make connections with people who are
Speaker 9: like thinking about the same things about building militant rank
Speaker 9: and file unions and.
Speaker 5: Stuff, yeah, yeah talk a little bit about the organizer,
Speaker 5: trainings BECAUSE i think that's a really really cool thing
Speaker 5: with THAT aw does that people don't really know about it. All.
Speaker 9: YEAH i really love the IWW's organizer. Training we have
Speaker 9: AN ot one on one organizer training one on one
Speaker 9: Called building The, committee and it's a two day training
Speaker 9: kind of like a big crash course into how to
Speaker 9: build a union from, scratch like within your, workplace how
Speaker 9: to start gathering, contacts how to start having like those
Speaker 9: initial conversations with worker your fellow, workers and how to
Speaker 9: develop your co workers into, organizers and how to build
Speaker 9: power in the workplace and shift that balance of power
Speaker 9: from the boss to the. Workers and it's very different
Speaker 9: than like other union organizer trainings because a lot of
Speaker 9: other trainings are basically like training you how to do
Speaker 9: card check, campaigns like how to talk to your, coworker
Speaker 9: get them to sign a card and then you never
Speaker 9: talk to them again kind of.
Speaker 5: Thing but we're not interested in.
Speaker 9: That we're interested in like building real relationships and like
Speaker 9: building bill power with our, coworkers and that's what the
Speaker 9: training is all.
Speaker 5: About, YEAH i think it's fun both untwo levels of.
Speaker 5: One I've i've been to one of these and it's
Speaker 5: very very. Good and the second THING i think is
Speaker 5: very funny is like the other unions that like suck
Speaker 5: less in THE, us like part of what has happened
Speaker 5: is they've adopted a bunch of the trading.
Speaker 13: From one of the amount of Times i've seen some
Speaker 13: union doing something and being like they learned it from,
Speaker 13: us it's very fucking obvious the learned it from.
Speaker 5: US i will listen to people being like they're giving
Speaker 5: a definition of the. Union i'm, like that's the i
Speaker 5: W w. One AND i know your leadership doesn't believe
Speaker 5: this because it's, like, not that's not how your union.
Speaker 5: Works but, yeah you, could you, could you, could you.
Speaker 5: Could you can get the original one from the source
Speaker 5: that doesn't have in the same way that like a
Speaker 5: bunch of the modern trade unions cut out a couple
Speaker 5: of versus of solidarity forever because they were too. Radical they.
Speaker 10: Mutilated are fucking. Bad that chaplain is rolling in his fucking.
Speaker 5: Grave that's A. Canaan they stole the song and then
Speaker 5: they were, like oh my, god hold on, this like
Speaker 5: might teach workers that they don't have anything in common
Speaker 5: with their, Bosses like we have to.
Speaker 4: Stop we.
Speaker 11: Can't there's seven verses, altogether count them seven except something.
Speaker 5: Yeah and most most unions sing like five oh if that?
Speaker 5: Yeah and you know in the same way that you
Speaker 5: can get the original uncut version Of Salary. Forever you
Speaker 5: too can get to the organizer training that these other
Speaker 5: people are getting bad versions Of.
Speaker 10: Yeah fun. Story so this is unrelated to THE, iww
Speaker 10: but also. RELATED a few weeks, AGO i was a
Speaker 10: part of the Anti Zionist jewish contingent at The Queer
Speaker 10: Liberation march In New York, city and of COURSE i
Speaker 10: got on the mega phone and led everyone in Singing solidarity.
Speaker 5: Forever hell, yeah hell, yeah it's a good. TIME i
Speaker 5: hear there's a New Little Red songbook in the.
Speaker 11: WORKS i don't know how far along The Committee committee,
Speaker 11: is but this has been a mammoth. PROJECT i could
Speaker 11: only imagine right producing a New Little red.
Speaker 5: Songbook by the, WAY i want to point this out
Speaker 5: to speak speaking of other people taking, stuff THE iww
Speaker 5: Had Little Red books before The maoist. Did LIKE i
Speaker 5: CAN'T i can't say for certain That Maxine don took
Speaker 5: that chip from, us but like that stuff is from
Speaker 5: way fucking Before maoism. Existed like this is not affiliated
Speaker 5: those well are.
Speaker 4: FUCKERS i, Mean.
Speaker 10: Mao was a was an anarchist before he became A. Marxist,
Speaker 10: yeah this is The chinese anarchist movement one hundred years
Speaker 10: ago was way stronger than The marxist. Movement like half
Speaker 10: the original communist parties in the. World we're founded by former. Anarchids,
Speaker 10: yeah and this this has gone poorly for. Them check's
Speaker 10: notes filtering back to the twenty.
Speaker 5: Twenties from the nineteen, twenties where where can people find
Speaker 5: where tours are? Happening and yeah and get more. Involved,
Speaker 5: yeah we have a. Website It's Industrial worker dot Card.
Speaker 5: Co there's two rs in. CARD i don't know if
Speaker 5: we can link that like in the description of the.
Speaker 5: Podcast oh yeah we.
Speaker 4: Can we'll make a.
Speaker 5: Description, okay.
Speaker 9: Cool so, yeah that website will have all of the tour.
Speaker 9: Locations right, now there's eight. Locations there might be one
Speaker 9: or two more being added in the near, future but
Speaker 9: as of right, now it's Like, Portland, Sacramento, Denver, Seattle,
Speaker 9: CHICA i Go Green, mountain which is brilliancent for Fine
Speaker 9: New York city and excellent C, michigan who are all
Speaker 9: having locations on this. Tour and that website will have
Speaker 9: all the tales like, when, where. Etc hell, Yeah i'm.
Speaker 10: EXCITED i also wanted to shout out. Specifically first, Off
Speaker 10: i'm the proud chairwoman of The Orientation committee OF, nyciww
Speaker 10: actually former branch secretary treasurer Of Northern New jersey before
Speaker 10: we merged With New. York but nyciww's having Our Fire
Speaker 10: Your Boss tour stop At woodbine In manhattan On august twenty,
Speaker 10: second starting at. Noon free lunch will be. Provided oh,
Speaker 10: yeah so here in THE nyc, area please stop by
Speaker 10: and get to meet the sexy trans woman with The transatlantic.
Speaker 5: ACCENT i Visited woodbine winning was still In, Ridgewood.
Speaker 11: Queens i'm very much looking forward to checking out their
Speaker 11: new location and so any of you all they still
Speaker 11: have That queen's.
Speaker 10: LOCATION i think they've just expanded Into, manhattan.
Speaker 5: Right it's been ages.
Speaker 11: Now but, anyway if you're In Northern New, england you
Speaker 11: could join us at The Public library In, Burlington vermont On,
Speaker 11: Sunday august. Sixteenth that Is Bennington Battle, day a state
Speaker 11: holiday unique to the state Of.
Speaker 5: Vermont do you have anything else that you want to
Speaker 5: televerye before we head.
Speaker 10: OUT i would say THAT i think what THE iww
Speaker 10: does very uniquely THAT i haven't really seen any other union.
Speaker 10: Do is, that in my, opinion at our best we
Speaker 10: we go contract. List shout out To Stardust Workers. United
Speaker 10: they're AN nyciww shop who are the singing waiters and
Speaker 10: other staff At Ellen's Stardust. Diner and of Course i'm
Speaker 10: a fan since I i'm an actress and singer, myself
Speaker 10: and of course fellow. Worker but they don't have a.
Speaker 10: Contract what they do is they use direct action in
Speaker 10: various tactics to exert their power and negotiate with the
Speaker 10: boss's issue by. Issue they don't use state power to
Speaker 10: enforce it at. All there's been no, election there's no contract.
Speaker 10: Signed all they did is get a bunch of their
Speaker 10: fellow workers to join THE iww and exist as a
Speaker 10: bargaining unit and exert power that. Way AND i think
Speaker 10: that's very powerful because we aren't relying upon the state
Speaker 10: to enforce our. Will we're doing it. Ourselves and that's
Speaker 10: such a powerful thing when so many people just are
Speaker 10: streaming why won't someone save? Us you, know everyone's, like
Speaker 10: why won't someone do? Something why won't someone do?
Speaker 5: Something wown't someone do? Something And i'm just, like you
Speaker 5: can do it.
Speaker 10: Yourselves you can make your own conditions better by you
Speaker 10: and your coworkers. Alone AND i think that's so special
Speaker 10: about THE iww is that that truly is a revolutionary
Speaker 10: break from the.
Speaker 9: State the thing THAT i would want to end this
Speaker 9: conversation with, IS i feel like the labor movement in
Speaker 9: The United states has been trying the same thing over
Speaker 9: and over again for, decades like ever since The National
Speaker 9: Libor Relations act was, Passed like we've been trying this contract,
Speaker 9: model like this like service model that we've been talking,
Speaker 9: about and it's kind of why the labor movement is
Speaker 9: as weak as it is, today and like the current
Speaker 9: administration is going after like these protections that we, had
Speaker 9: and it kind of just goes to show how we
Speaker 9: can't rely on these like pennies that the state throws,
Speaker 9: us like these, protections they're not really, Real, like so
Speaker 9: we need to build our own. Power we need to
Speaker 9: be reliant on. Ourselves and there's one quote THAT i
Speaker 9: have really. LOVED i don't know who said, it but it,
Speaker 9: says today's labor, movement which involves the absolute majority of
Speaker 9: the global, population along with its allies and marginalized groups and,
Speaker 9: minorities must mount an, offensive reviving strategies and energetic dedication
Speaker 9: to radical. Methods and that's what we're trying to do
Speaker 9: with the firebus story is like return to these and
Speaker 9: radical methods that worked so, well like, historically we need
Speaker 9: to try something.
Speaker 5: New so, yeah and something very very new and very
Speaker 5: very old at the same.
Speaker 10: Time there are some historians that put the estimates of
Speaker 10: members of THE iww it's kind of hard to track
Speaker 10: due to a lot of the members were migrant. Workers
Speaker 10: put it at possibly over a million in the nineteen.
Speaker 10: Tens and you, know in my, opinion it's a good.
Speaker 10: Start you, know let's get. THERE i, MEAN theflcio is
Speaker 10: like three four or five, million you, Know I'm i'm
Speaker 10: hoping The fire Your Boss tour is the is the
Speaker 10: start of, uh you, know great amazing things for our
Speaker 10: union because hell, knows millions of, people if not, billions
Speaker 10: could benefit from.
Speaker 11: Us, yeah every worker an. ORGANIZER i hope that's a
Speaker 11: step we're, taking. RIGHT i hope everyone that joins us
Speaker 11: on this tour is to feel more like an, organizer
Speaker 11: feel more like the, leader and really understand what's going
Speaker 11: on in their workplace and all around the, world because
Speaker 11: that's what we need as we go.
Speaker 5: Forward, yeah but that's a good note to end on
Speaker 5: and thank.
Speaker 4: You thank all of you for coming on the show and.
Speaker 4: Talking thank you so.
Speaker 10: Much, yeah thank you for having us happy.
Speaker 5: Too and hopefully we all get to see each other
Speaker 5: like on the front lines of the class war someday.
Speaker 5: Soon and WHEN i WHEN i say, YOU i mean
Speaker 5: everyone you the listeners, Too, polarity.
Speaker 10: Thank you lovely. Listen, also one cannot be an attention
Speaker 10: wre if no one is there to listen to.
Speaker 3: Her this is it could happen. Here I'm Garrison. DAVIS
Speaker 3: a specter is haunting The United. States last, Year democratic
Speaker 3: Socialist Zorn momdani beat establishment Politician Andrew cuomo in The
Speaker 3: New york mayoral election two, times both in The democratic
Speaker 3: primary and The november. General since, then The Democratic socialists
Speaker 3: Of america have only grown their power In New York,
Speaker 3: City state and The halls Of. Congress Claire valdez Brad
Speaker 3: lander And Diara lisa of Vi La chevalier won their congressional,
Speaker 3: primary unseating Two democrat incumbents and beating one incumbent backed.
Speaker 3: Progressive that same, night Seven New York CITY Dsa Cana
Speaker 3: dates won Their democratic primaries for The State assembly And State,
Speaker 3: senate paving the way to send seven New Democratic socialists
Speaker 3: to The New York State, legislature joining the eight socialists
Speaker 3: already in. Office in, total nine out of the ten
Speaker 3: insurgent candidates on THE NYC dsa slate won their races last,
Speaker 3: month beating sitting incumbents and establishment backed. Candidates When Hakim
Speaker 3: jeffries appeared ON tv at A dsa election night, party
Speaker 3: the crowd chanted your. Next the next morning in The Oval,
Speaker 3: Office President trump commented on THE dsa, Sweep President, trump.
Speaker 2: Great knight For Democratic socialist candidates last night and The
Speaker 2: New york. Primaries they swept and knocked out two.
Speaker 13: Incumbents you're From New.
Speaker 14: York why do you think it is that now the
Speaker 14: endorsement Of Zorn mamdani means.
Speaker 8: More than the endorsement of.
Speaker 4: Hakimja, well they're.
Speaker 15: Going radical left and going really you, know you talk
Speaker 15: about The democrat socialists you.
Speaker 16: Took really it's really a. Communist that's these. PEOPLE i
Speaker 16: watched that woman last. Night that's not a, SOCIALIST i know.
Speaker 16: Socialist that's like that woman is a. Communist just a.
Speaker 3: Week, prior A dsa endorsed candidate won The democratic primary
Speaker 3: in The washington D.
Speaker 5: C mayoral.
Speaker 3: Election and A dsa member won the primary for The
Speaker 3: ward One City council. Seat, then a week after The
Speaker 3: New York city, sweep Another Democratic, Socialist Melot, kiros won
Speaker 3: The democratic primary In colorado's First Congressional house, district unseating
Speaker 3: a thirty year. Incumbent this sequence of wins rattled both
Speaker 3: The democratic establishment as well As trump and THE. Gop
Speaker 3: Here's trump again in The oval office On june twenty.
Speaker 17: Ninth Zara bondani said in an interview this week that
Speaker 17: he was open to being the poster child for socialist.
Speaker 18: Case are you worried about more socialist candidates across THE?
Speaker 15: US i think a big threat to a nation, actually
Speaker 15: because it's not. Socialism it's like. Communism they use the
Speaker 15: word social democrat because it sounds so, nice but it's
Speaker 15: really communism you're talking. ABOUT i think it's the biggest
Speaker 15: threat to a nation.
Speaker 4: There, is maybe since our.
Speaker 3: Founding President trump spent much of The july fourth weekend
Speaker 3: commemorating the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the country attacking.
Speaker 3: Communism these are clips From Trump's america to fifty address
Speaker 3: On july, fourth and other speeches in press. Conferences from
Speaker 3: that same.
Speaker 15: Week communism is a loser and it always will. Be
Speaker 15: the communist system is the opposite of The american, system
Speaker 15: and the communist system has never. Worked our warriors did
Speaker 15: not fight communism on battlefields across the world only to
Speaker 15: have that menace rear its ugly head right back here In.
Speaker 19: America we're not gonna let it, happen because it's like
Speaker 19: a cancer that, spreads and you'd better stop at. First
Speaker 19: we will never let The United states become a communist.
Speaker 5: Country you can be loyal To Karl, marx or you
Speaker 5: can be loyal To.
Speaker 4: America communism's a.
Speaker 20: Disaster it's been proven to be for thousands of, years
Speaker 20: under different, names but the same. Thing there is now
Speaker 20: a resurgence of the communist menace in our, land including
Speaker 20: from newcomers to our country who embrace ideas totally opposed
Speaker 20: to our way of life and our great. Success communism
Speaker 20: is a mortal threat To american. Liberty it is the
Speaker 20: greatest threat to our country Including World war, One World war,
Speaker 20: Two Pearl, harbor or even nine to.
Speaker 3: Eleven as THE dsa has won seats across the, country
Speaker 3: the organization has attracted new members after the twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four presidential, ELECTION dsa had about fifty thousand members. Nationally this,
Speaker 3: MONTH dsa reached over one hundred and twenty thousand, members
Speaker 3: a record. High just The New York city chapter alone
Speaker 3: has over fifteen thousand. Members late last, YEAR dsa allocated
Speaker 3: funding to open twenty new offices across the. Country around
Speaker 3: The june, primary the zionist extremist Group Canary mission started
Speaker 3: specifically TARGETING nycdsa with writeups on all ten of the insurgent.
Speaker 3: Candidates Canary mission's ANTI nycdsa article from before the election
Speaker 3: was titled one Thousand zorans don't threaten me with a good.
Speaker 3: Time the article not only attacked THE nycdsa, candidates but
Speaker 3: also highlighted how the organizational structure OF nycdsa has established
Speaker 3: a template for success by running candidates as a whole
Speaker 3: block who can campaign together and then support each other
Speaker 3: once in. Office QUOTE nycdsa elected officials meet week to
Speaker 3: align votes and coordinate. Strategy the machine doesn't.
Speaker 5: Stop in all.
Speaker 3: Caps in a post on X The everything app after
Speaker 3: The june, Primary Canary mission, wrote Quote New York CITY
Speaker 3: dsa is not just, growing it is building the machinery
Speaker 3: to turn radical ideology into political. Power the numbers show
Speaker 3: the scale the LARGEST dsa chapter In, america roughly ninety thousand,
Speaker 3: volunteers hundreds of field, leads a candidate, pipeline and coordination
Speaker 3: that continues after election. Day this is how a movement
Speaker 3: stops looking like protest and starts looking like. Infrastructure New
Speaker 3: york is the testing. Ground the machine is already being.
Speaker 3: Built unquote and, yeah they're. Right basically everything in that
Speaker 3: little quote is one hundred percent. True and that is
Speaker 3: what's making both the liberal and conservative establishment. Nervous on
Speaker 3: the eve Of July Fourthox news ran a segment on
Speaker 3: The Kami.
Speaker 21: Revolution White House Press secretary Of Caroline lovitt joins, Us,
Speaker 21: now The Kammi.
Speaker 5: Revolution, caroline did you ever see this?
Speaker 22: Coming this is not your Granddaddy's Democrat. Party this is
Speaker 22: not the grand Uh Democrat party OF. Jfk this is
Speaker 22: a full blown communist revolution that is taking Over Capitol.
Speaker 21: Hill if these commies get, in they're going to be
Speaker 21: a powerful little. Caucus they're going to hear to blow things.
Speaker 21: Up they're not here to Negotiate pentagon. Funding they want
Speaker 21: Zero pentagon. Funding they're in here to destroy the. Country
Speaker 21: how would the president negotiate with people like.
Speaker 4: That i'm not sure you.
Speaker 22: Can AND i think that's why The president is being
Speaker 22: so bold and warning The american public against this communist
Speaker 22: takeover of The. Democrats and As Ronald reagan perfectly, stated
Speaker 22: freedom is never more than one generation away from. Extinction
Speaker 22: if these communists are given a chance at power here In, WASHINGTON,
Speaker 22: dc if they retake the majority In washington away from The,
Speaker 22: republicans we will be heading down a communist.
Speaker 3: Takeover this concern By Jesse waters Of Fox news was
Speaker 3: also the topic of A axios story from a few
Speaker 3: days after The New york, primary with quotes from quote
Speaker 3: unquote Centrist democrat lawmakers threatening that there's quote unquote going
Speaker 3: to be a war if the new members Of congress
Speaker 3: try to utilize their block to win policy, concessions with
Speaker 3: one lawmaker calling the incoming members quote bomb, throwers not problem.
Speaker 3: Solvers the idea is that if The democrats win a
Speaker 3: Small house majority in the next, election the growing coalition Of,
Speaker 3: democratic socialist and left wing populist lawmakers could leverage their
Speaker 3: needed votes to get concessions from party leadership and wield
Speaker 3: an outsized influence on the. Party in this, Story axios
Speaker 3: wrote that left Wing house reps quote moving on block
Speaker 3: would be able to kill party line votes to get
Speaker 3: their demands, met much like the far Right House Freedom
Speaker 3: caucus has done the past few. Years Progressive Repdila ramirez
Speaker 3: Of illinois is quoted in the piece saying that The
Speaker 3: Congressional Progressive caucus has a quote responsibility to be the
Speaker 3: strongest voter, block to take a stand not for the,
Speaker 3: establishment but for working people who send us to fight
Speaker 3: like hell for. Them threats of war from Centrist democrats
Speaker 3: and cries of communism From Fox news And President trump
Speaker 3: show a real fear of the growing MOMENTUM dsay is,
Speaker 3: having both as an organization and in the ballot, box
Speaker 3: and the fear that this kind of politics won't be
Speaker 3: contained to big cities in blue. States here Is Mam
Speaker 3: donnie being interviewed ON abc shortly after The june, primary.
Speaker 23: And you knocked off Two democratic incumbent members Of. Congress
Speaker 23: is is this like a unique moment In New york
Speaker 23: or is this the beginning of a national?
Speaker 24: MOVEMENT i think we are seeing a hunger that is
Speaker 24: not just felt By New yorkers but frankly By americans
Speaker 24: from coast to coast for a new kind of, politics
Speaker 24: one that puts working people at the heart of. It
Speaker 24: AND i think for far too, long what we as
Speaker 24: a party have been able to say To New yorkers
Speaker 24: who are struggling is simply to explain why they're, struggling
Speaker 24: not actually offer them a vision for how to make life.
Speaker 24: Better and these, Candidates Brad, Daria Liza, claire they ran
Speaker 24: campaigns that spoke to working people and that said life
Speaker 24: in the nation's most expensive city need not be this
Speaker 24: way any. Longer AND i can't wait to have them
Speaker 24: as partners IN dc and.
Speaker 3: Network we'll be right back With Mike johnson after this at.
Speaker 3: Break three days after THE dsa sweep In New, York
Speaker 3: Republican House Speaker Mike johnson gave the keynote address at
Speaker 3: The faith And Freedom. Conference he essentially did free propaganda
Speaker 3: for THE.
Speaker 14: Dsa THE, dsa The Democrat socialists Of america sounds so,
Speaker 14: innocuous doesn't.
Speaker 12: It, no it.
Speaker 14: DOESN'T i will say that this is their. Platform, listen
Speaker 14: this is actually quotes from their platform that they PUBLISHED
Speaker 14: i think about a day or two. Ago you can
Speaker 14: find this on the. Internet, okay here's just a sample
Speaker 14: of what they're. About they put this on. Paper they're
Speaker 14: saying the quiet things out. Loud abolish the Electoral college
Speaker 14: or place the two party system with a multi party.
Speaker 14: Democracy expand The house Of. Representatives implement proportional representation and
Speaker 14: rank choice voting in all. Elections abolish well establish public
Speaker 14: ownership of the largest corporations and essential industries to ensure
Speaker 14: democratic control.
Speaker 8: And accountability to the.
Speaker 14: People abolish ice and grant amnesty for.
Speaker 5: All this isn't the quiet part out.
Speaker 3: Loud this is Democratic socialists of one oh one empowering
Speaker 3: workers by increasing demo credit control of our own government
Speaker 3: and the unaccountable corporations that rule over our. Lives but
Speaker 3: here's more From Mike johnson.
Speaker 14: In sanctions On, Cuba, venezuela And. Iran Free palestine quote
Speaker 14: for a Free palestine With jerusalem as its. Capital end
Speaker 14: all military and economic aid To. Israel PROSECUTE us And
Speaker 14: israeli leaders responsible for the genocide In. Gaza abolish the
Speaker 14: carceral state. Quote redirect police and prison funding to public
Speaker 14: services as steps towards abolishing the carceral forces of the capitalist.
Speaker 14: State y'all it goes on and on and. On defund
Speaker 14: The department Of, war replace The president and The Supreme
Speaker 14: court with an executive and judiciary chosen and subordinate To,
Speaker 14: congress which they're.
Speaker 8: Hoping to take.
Speaker 14: Over and the last one is abolished The. Senate, now
Speaker 14: some of you may agree with. That don't just leave
Speaker 14: that one, There, okay it's, Fine i'm.
Speaker 3: Kidding the fact that the Sitting house speaker felt the
Speaker 3: need to address these proposals signifies a Serious overton windows
Speaker 3: shift and opening up of the conversation on ending in humane,
Speaker 3: sanctions reforming The Supreme, court defunding The, pentagon and abolishing
Speaker 3: the uniquely undemocratic institution of The. Senate will that last
Speaker 3: one happen anytime? Soon probably, Not But Mike johnson apparently
Speaker 3: believes this is a topic worthy of public. Debate this Past,
Speaker 3: Tuesday Mike johnson announced that The pentagon is requesting an
Speaker 3: additional three hundred and fifty billion.
Speaker 14: Dollars you've heard The president talk about how he wants
Speaker 14: to effectively double the funding for national. Events, look we
Speaker 14: live in dangerous time for finding communism on our own,
Speaker 14: chores and we're fighting evil terrorists and tyrants around the.
Speaker 3: World, meanwhile also this Past, TUESDAY dsa released the full
Speaker 3: version of their new national, platform which is What Mike
Speaker 3: johnson was quoting. From this platform is Titled Workers Deserve
Speaker 3: more And beyond What Mike johnson has already helpfully. Outlined
Speaker 3: it also contains paid family leaf for all, workers a
Speaker 3: thirty two hour, workweek a living minimum, wage canceling student,
Speaker 3: debt universal, healthcare building publicly owned social, housing honoring all
Speaker 3: treaties and tribal, sovereignty finishing, reconstruction ending mass incarceration and police,
Speaker 3: immunity a federal jobs, guarantee publicly owned energy and transit,
Speaker 3: infrastructure ending THE us four, machine a Free, palestine ending
Speaker 3: all aid To, israel prosecuting those responsible for the, GAZOGENOCIDE dc,
Speaker 3: statehood getting rid of, lobbyists dark, money and Citizens united
Speaker 3: and publicly financing all, elections while expanding and protecting voter
Speaker 3: rights and ending voter, suppression and of, course ABOLISHING. Ice
Speaker 3: you can read the full platform in more detail at
Speaker 3: program DOT dsausa dot.
Speaker 5: Org i'll link it.
Speaker 3: Below it's not very long and quite easy To it
Speaker 3: starts with a preamble to contextualize the goals of the
Speaker 3: organization and the purpose of an ambitious. Platform in our current,
Speaker 3: Moment i'll quote from.
Speaker 5: A section of that.
Speaker 3: Preamble, now, Quote if we lived in a classless society
Speaker 3: and governed, ourselves we could freely build a world without
Speaker 3: war or. Poverty we could build a world where no
Speaker 3: one suffers for their, race, gender or, religion and everyone is, free,
Speaker 3: equal and cared. For building this world is the guiding
Speaker 3: star of our. Movement when we labor for our common
Speaker 3: good instead of private, profit we can all have a
Speaker 3: secure and dignified life and use our time and talents
Speaker 3: how we. Wish to achieve this, future our class must.
Speaker 3: Organize The Democratic socialist Of america is building a party
Speaker 3: whose goal is a democratic society of the working. Class
Speaker 3: our enemies are not just individual, bosses but the entire
Speaker 3: global system of. Capital not just this or that, cop,
Speaker 3: judge or, president but the entire anti democratic structure of our.
Speaker 3: Society we are workers fighting to transform, society to win
Speaker 3: the battle for, democracy draft a new, constitution and create
Speaker 3: a Democratic Socialist. REPUBLIC dsa has written this program for
Speaker 3: ending capitalist oligarchy and creating a real. Democracy some of
Speaker 3: these demands may be one under our current, system but
Speaker 3: we know complete victory will require building.
Speaker 5: A new society from the ground.
Speaker 3: Up we push these demands to their furthest extent today
Speaker 3: so that we can fight for their fullest realization in
Speaker 3: a socialist. Future, meanwhile let's check in on the. Liberals
Speaker 3: on CNN's state of The, Union Pennsylvania Governor Josh shapiro
Speaker 3: was asked about the RECENT dsa electoral.
Speaker 17: Wins democratic voters In New york chose three candidates back By,
Speaker 17: zorammdani far left And Democratic socialist.
Speaker 5: Candidates what message do you take from that of about
Speaker 5: where your party.
Speaker 25: Is you, know those were races and individual districts in
Speaker 25: a whole other. STATE i think you're seeing very different
Speaker 25: looking congressional races and certainly Different democratic candidates here In.
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania that's an interesting point being made By Governor, shapiro
Speaker 3: who seems to be ignoring the fact that the first
Speaker 3: congressional primary win for A Democratic socialist this year was
Speaker 3: In pennsylvania's third district this Past, May Democratic Socialist Chris
Speaker 3: robb beat a candidate backed by the retiring, incumbent a
Speaker 3: candidate who compared calling the genocide In gaza a genocide
Speaker 3: to saying the n, Word but Jos shapiro is not
Speaker 3: the only one trying to argue that DSA's success is
Speaker 3: limited to places Like New. York londons have been saying
Speaker 3: the same thing ever Since mamdani won the primary over
Speaker 3: a year, ago but following The slate sweep last, month
Speaker 3: Some democratic lawmakers have tried to minimize the increasing trend
Speaker 3: of socialist candidates beating both moderate and sometimes even progressive.
Speaker 5: Politicians the reaction From democrats has been.
Speaker 23: Something you've had some Prominent democrats dismissive of what happened.
Speaker 23: HERE i, mean you Had Senator blumenthal say the effort
Speaker 23: to Nationalize New york is going to. Fail what happened
Speaker 23: In New york will be really irrelevant by the time
Speaker 23: of the elections In. November Jakeem jeffreys basically said the same,
Speaker 23: thing saying that this is not indicative of what needs
Speaker 23: to happen In.
Speaker 4: November what do you make of?
Speaker 24: That you, KNOW i think that when you Ask americans
Speaker 24: what they're feeling in this, moment amidst reports of an
Speaker 24: economated strengthening of stock market that's, booming you will hear
Speaker 24: an exhaustion and having to try and make ends meet
Speaker 24: every single, day every single, week every single, month and
Speaker 24: that it's getting harder and, harder and so a message
Speaker 24: of fighting for working. People we don't have to nationalize that.
Speaker 24: Message that is a national, message the national. Crisis and
Speaker 24: for far too, long all we've had to say is
Speaker 24: a party is opposition to the current.
Speaker 4: Administration what do we have to say beyond?
Speaker 24: That and what these candidates offer is a vision that
Speaker 24: extends beyond the, Midterms it extends beyond twenty twenty. Eight
Speaker 24: it speaks to what makes so many of us proud
Speaker 24: to Be. Democrats it speaks to a vision that goes
Speaker 24: back to a new deal understanding of what working people.
Speaker 24: Deserve And i'll tell you, that for too, long that
Speaker 24: kind of politics you can only find it in history,
Speaker 24: books and we need to bring it back to the present.
Speaker 3: Day ON, Cnn joshapiro addressed his disagreements with one particular
Speaker 3: candidate In New, York, chevalier, saying, quote her district voted for,
Speaker 3: her BUT i have profound differences from that particular, candidate
Speaker 3: and she's not someone who SEEMINGLY i would agree with
Speaker 3: on many, things or that we share similar. Values she
Speaker 3: ran on The democratic. TICKET i guess she is a.
Speaker 3: Socialist her voters in that district determined that she was
Speaker 3: the one they wanted representing.
Speaker 25: HER i think what is important are the people who
Speaker 25: are making a lot in no, wise who're engaged in
Speaker 25: these performative, politics have to now figure out how to deliver.
Speaker 25: Results it's one thing to speak in platitudes during a.
Speaker 25: Campaign it's a whole other thing to actually deliver for
Speaker 25: people who are genuinely, hurting who genuinely need to see
Speaker 25: cost of living go, down meaning their ability to make ends,
Speaker 25: meet you, know go, up fixing a broken healthcare, system
Speaker 25: raining in, excesses being able to give people the promise
Speaker 25: of liberty that we've talked. ABOUT i think we as
Speaker 25: a party need to find our way toward candidates who
Speaker 25: actually can deliver for people and make their lives.
Speaker 3: Better i'm curious Who shapiro thinks such candidates may, be
Speaker 3: because the twenty twenty four election showed that voters lost
Speaker 3: faith That National dems could deliver any of those, Things
Speaker 3: whereas in just six, Months Democratic Socialist Zora mamdani delivered free,
Speaker 3: childcare a two year rent, freeze a new plan to
Speaker 3: make buses, faster all well balance the budget and overcoming
Speaker 3: a twelve billion dollar deficit left By Eric.
Speaker 24: Adams we don't have to ask ourselves what life looks
Speaker 24: like if a socialist. WINS i won Last, november and
Speaker 24: over the course of these last six, months what we've
Speaker 24: delivered for working people are the very things we were
Speaker 24: told were. Impossible we've delivered free childcare for two year
Speaker 24: olds for the first time In New York city. History
Speaker 24: we've delivered tens of millions of dollars back to tenants
Speaker 24: who were taken advantage of by bad. Landlords we've delivered
Speaker 24: one hundred and sixty five thousand potholes being. Paved and
Speaker 24: we've done all of these things while also delivering the
Speaker 24: lowest recorded crime in our city's. History that's what it
Speaker 24: looks like to have democratic. Socialism and what you're seeing
Speaker 24: is That New yorkers experienced this for six months and
Speaker 24: made the decision that they wanted to see more of
Speaker 24: it on the national stage as.
Speaker 3: Well Governor shapiro has said The Democratic party is going
Speaker 3: through quote a battle over what we believe in, unquote
Speaker 3: AND i think that's. True but moderates can never seem
Speaker 3: to really express what they believe in opposition to Both
Speaker 3: trump and The Democratic. Socialists, Meanwhile momdani is on the
Speaker 3: news clearly articulating what he believes in and why the
Speaker 3: party should believe in it.
Speaker 24: TOO i think it has to stand for working, people
Speaker 24: AND i think it has to be willing to fight
Speaker 24: for working. People AND i think that there are some
Speaker 24: who are offended by the prospect of a party that
Speaker 24: knows who it fights for and goes every day to
Speaker 24: work for, that because what we've seen over many years
Speaker 24: is a willingness to not only explain away the status,
Speaker 24: quo but frankly even to look to benefit from the status.
Speaker 24: Quo and that's not what working people are looking for
Speaker 24: from our.
Speaker 23: Party can A Democratic socialists get elected?
Speaker 24: PRESIDENT i think A Democratic socialist can get elected anywhere
Speaker 24: across this country for any. Position WHAT i think we
Speaker 24: need to bring is a focus on working.
Speaker 23: People and that's the direction that the party should go.
Speaker 23: In and in terms of a selecting a candidate for
Speaker 23: twenty twenty, EIGHT i think.
Speaker 24: The direction that the party should go in is how
Speaker 24: best to fight for working. PEOPLE i think we need
Speaker 24: to have a platform and a vision that doesn't sound
Speaker 24: as if it was cooked up by, consultants but instead
Speaker 24: one that you would say in response to someone who's
Speaker 24: asking why CAN'T i afford my? Rent why CAN'T i
Speaker 24: afford my? Groceries why CAN'T i afford my? Childcare we
Speaker 24: need to make clear who we stand, for how we're
Speaker 24: going to stand for.
Speaker 4: Them and that we're actually willing to fight for them
Speaker 4: when the going gets.
Speaker 3: Tough as Red scare style rhetoric has surged on the,
Speaker 3: right we've begun to see more Establishment dems team up
Speaker 3: with conservative media And republican politicians in trying to take
Speaker 3: down THE dsa to protect their shared class. Interests this
Speaker 3: was already happening throughout The New york mayor oal race last,
Speaker 3: year eventually leading To trump Endorsing Andrew cuomo on the
Speaker 3: eve of the. Election but as THE dsa keeps building
Speaker 3: power and winning races across the, country so too will
Speaker 3: this bipartisan ruling class alliance continue to. Spread late last,
Speaker 3: Month democratic Advisor James carville went On Fox news to
Speaker 3: discuss the danger of democratic socialism and the possibility of
Speaker 3: a party. Schism Then fox has been airing clips Of
Speaker 3: carville's own podcast where he attacks THE dsa.
Speaker 26: Socialism surge is threating to shake up The Democratic. Party
Speaker 26: big wins From mondani backed candidates In New york this
Speaker 26: week just the latest for The Democratic socialists Of. America
Speaker 26: Veteran democratic Strategist James carville says it could be time to.
Speaker 21: SPLIT i actually do think it's time For democrats to
Speaker 21: talk THE s, word skiss.
Speaker 4: THEM i really. Do everybody's always, said, no, no we were.
Speaker 4: Coalition we're a big temp and as there's just some
Speaker 4: THAT i can't be in the same camp.
Speaker 3: With later in that, Segment fox brought on a quote
Speaker 3: Unquote democratic strategist who worked Under Andrew cuomo to rail
Speaker 3: against socialists trying to hijack the.
Speaker 27: Party, now, Listen i've been saying this for the last
Speaker 27: several months and trying to sound the alarm on.
Speaker 4: This these people are Not. Democrats they are.
Speaker 27: Socialists and what they've done is they have, strategically in
Speaker 27: the last ten, years Since burny did his run in twenty,
Speaker 27: sixteen come up with a strategy in order to take
Speaker 27: over The Democratic. Party they very, organize they've been working
Speaker 27: on the local. Level but make no, mistake these are Not.
Speaker 27: Democrats they fundamentally do not believe in the same things
Speaker 27: as far as public, safety as far as the seizure
Speaker 27: of private, property as far as celebrating terrorism and stoking Anti,
Speaker 27: semitism and so, yes big. Tent we've always been.
Speaker 5: A big tant no to hijack.
Speaker 27: Tent and the reality is they should start their own
Speaker 27: party and run, there but they know that won't be,
Speaker 27: successful so they're trying to take over hours and.
Speaker 5: It is a.
Speaker 3: Disaster as already, mentioned Moderate democrats in The house are
Speaker 3: threatening quote unquote, war and high Level Democratic party figures
Speaker 3: have been airing frustrations THAT dsa candidates are benefiting from
Speaker 3: running on The democratic ballot line while seeking to fundamentally
Speaker 3: change the nature of the party. Itself former chair of THE,
Speaker 3: Dnc Jamie harrison, wrote, QUOTE i say this with no
Speaker 3: ill will or. Animosity if you hate The Democratic, party
Speaker 3: then please don't run for our. Nomination don't use our,
Speaker 3: resources don't rely on our, volunteers don't use our, infrastructure
Speaker 3: don't Ask democrats to invest their, time money and energy
Speaker 3: into your. Campaign focus on building the party you actually.
Speaker 3: Support political parties aren't, perfect but they're built by millions
Speaker 3: of people who, knockdoors make, calls organize, meetings and fight
Speaker 3: for the values they believe. In if you don't believe
Speaker 3: in the, party then don't ask its members to carry
Speaker 3: you across the finish line. Unquote something That Jamie harrison
Speaker 3: seems to not quite, comprehend which makes sense considering is
Speaker 3: the former chair of THE dnc Under Joe, Biden Kamala,
Speaker 3: harris is that party nominees are supposed to be chosen
Speaker 3: by the, voters not party, elites and These Democratic socialist
Speaker 3: candidates are winning primaries despite strong option position from the
Speaker 3: State democratic, parties entrenched political machines in city, government and
Speaker 3: national establishment. Forces THE dsa has to outorganize The democratic
Speaker 3: establishment and overcome the power of corporate money just to
Speaker 3: get on The democratic ballot line In. November of, course
Speaker 3: IF dsa candidates ran third, party then people Like Jamie
Speaker 3: harrison would just claim that they're spoiler candidates helping THE gop.
Speaker 3: Win there's no satisfying these. People they just have to be.
Speaker 3: Beaten vice chair of The Manhattan Democratic, Party Mariama james
Speaker 3: smeared ALL dsa members as having a quote unquote white
Speaker 3: supremacist mindset after she lost the primary For State Assembly
Speaker 3: district sixty five In chinatown and The Lower East side
Speaker 3: TO dsa Candidate iyappa Syrit. Pak in this same election,
Speaker 3: cycle THE adl And Congressman Josh gotttheimer Attacked mamdani for
Speaker 3: referring to dark money super packs like apak as quote
Speaker 3: unquote monsters in reference to The grams sheet quote the
Speaker 3: old world is dying and the new world struggles to be.
Speaker 5: Born now is the time of.
Speaker 3: Monsters THE adl And Congressman gotttheimer claimed that both dark
Speaker 3: money and the word monster invoked Anti semitic. Tropes, meanwhile
Speaker 3: senior advisor To Adriano, espayot chair of The Congressional Spanic,
Speaker 3: caucus who is up Against, chevalier weaponized Anti haitian animus Towards,
Speaker 3: chevalier who Is Afro, latina and on A spanish language,
Speaker 3: podcast spiat's senior advisor said That mamdani wanted to change
Speaker 3: the demographics of The Washington heights neighborhood In Upper manhattan
Speaker 3: by making it quote no longer be a bastion of
Speaker 3: The dominican, community but instead a bastion of The Haitian muslim.
Speaker 3: Community allied to him. Unquote Congressman Josh gottheimer responded to
Speaker 3: the DSA's victory in The democratic primary by continuing to
Speaker 3: attack the Now democratic nominees and released a centrist manifesto rebuking.
Speaker 3: Communism do you, say Asked Mayor Mum donnie about the
Speaker 3: manifesto and The democratic politicians Like gotttheimer who claimed that
Speaker 3: socialists can't be.
Speaker 23: Democrats Josh, gottheimer A democratic member Of, congress, says many
Speaker 23: of us believe as DO.
Speaker 4: I if you're a, socialist you are not A.
Speaker 23: Democrat and in, fact they put out a manifesto.
Speaker 4: Today have you seen this?
Speaker 5: Thing sounds pretty socialist to.
Speaker 4: Me it's not a communist.
Speaker 23: Manifesto it's a moderate manifesto saying we are capitalists and not.
Speaker 23: Socialists we believe in a, growing fair and competitive, economy, entrepreneurship.
Speaker 4: OWNERSHIP i mean this is a direct.
Speaker 23: Response they've made it clear.
Speaker 5: To what you did here On.
Speaker 24: Tuesday, WELL i, mean you, know that's, Great but what's
Speaker 24: a party if not its. Voters And i'm proud to
Speaker 24: sit in front of you as the mayor of our,
Speaker 24: city having received more than a million votes a little
Speaker 24: over a little less than a year. Ago and when
Speaker 24: we're talking about these incredible congressional can the dates they
Speaker 24: won their races and they won their races with the
Speaker 24: vision of what politics should be and one that actually
Speaker 24: speaks to working people and for a lot of people
Speaker 24: who ask themselves what does democratic socialism? Mean and you
Speaker 24: can tell them the. Answer at a theoretical, level it's
Speaker 24: the choice to extend democracy from the ballot box the
Speaker 24: rest of their. Lives but in terms of what it,
Speaker 24: means over these last seven, months we've seen a city
Speaker 24: with democratic socialist principles at the heart of.
Speaker 3: It within our, administration we will return to discuss how
Speaker 3: communists And Miss rachel are teaming up to Destroy america
Speaker 3: after this ad. Break Last, Saturday Fox news write a
Speaker 3: story about the DSA's new national, Platform Workers Deserve. More
Speaker 3: let's take a.
Speaker 28: Listen Fox news has obtained documents from The Democratic socialists
Speaker 28: Of america revealing the group's updated, platform which is even
Speaker 28: more radical than. Before now they plan to release this next.
Speaker 5: Week listen to.
Speaker 28: This The United States senate eliminated gone The president and
Speaker 28: The Supreme court replaced The department Of, war defunded all
Speaker 28: immigrants given. Amnesty that is the.
Speaker 3: Plan the rest of The fox report tried to PAINT
Speaker 3: dsa as being driven by, Anarchists, marxists and crazy communists
Speaker 3: who want to destroy the. Country the report highlighted a
Speaker 3: few of the niche caucuses WITHIN dsa that focus on anti,
Speaker 3: imperialism promote anti, electoralism.
Speaker 28: And explicitly push.
Speaker 3: Communism later on in this, segment Former White House Deputy
Speaker 3: chief Of staff And trump's current top electoral Advisor James
Speaker 3: blair joined the program to discuss the communist.
Speaker 5: Menace, james this is.
Speaker 28: What you're up against in the, midterms and we keep
Speaker 28: hearing it's A New york, problem except here we. Go
Speaker 28: there ARE dsa candidates In, Missouri, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida New.
Speaker 28: Hampshire so what is your plan to defeat these?
Speaker 5: Radicals, WELL i think.
Speaker 29: We just have to bring their issues to The american,
Speaker 29: people and The american people are going to reject. Them
Speaker 29: let's talk about the views that they're actually espousing and
Speaker 29: what they want to bring to the.
Speaker 25: Country you said it as they say in their.
Speaker 29: Documents or all amnesty for all illegal, immigrants no deportations at,
Speaker 29: all not even the.
Speaker 3: Criminals let me, think when was the last time an
Speaker 3: unpopular incumbent party failed to address eCOM issues affecting working
Speaker 3: class voters and just tried to hold onto power by
Speaker 3: fear mongering about the opposition's. Platform oh, yeah twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: four when The democrats tried and failed spectacularly to campaign
Speaker 3: on Stopping project twenty twenty. Five but now the tables
Speaker 3: are turned so by all, means Mister, blair don't try
Speaker 3: to offer an actual alternative platform that improves workers'. Lives
Speaker 3: just tell them all about the DSA's platform, instead especially
Speaker 3: When ice is historically unpopular and hint seen to not
Speaker 3: murder someone every, Week believe it or. Not This Fox
Speaker 3: news segment actually ended by talking about the threat posed
Speaker 3: by evil far left communist and children's educational YouTuber Miss.
Speaker 28: Rachel let's remind our viewers Who Miss rachel. Is if
Speaker 28: your kids do not watch her like, mine do not
Speaker 28: This Miss. Rachel are you guys afraid to take On Miss?
Speaker 29: RACHEL i would love to take On Miss. Rachel it'll
Speaker 29: be the end of her, show which would be a
Speaker 29: service To. America my kids AND i have four under
Speaker 29: the age of. Six they also don't watch. Her she's
Speaker 29: radically far. Left her show is really about indoctrinating, children and,
Speaker 29: honestly if that's the fight we have to, Have i'm
Speaker 29: happy to have it no.
Speaker 5: Problem we will beat her like a.
Speaker 3: Drum, yeah that sure sounds like a message that will
Speaker 3: resonate with. Voters data For progress ran a survey last
Speaker 3: month asking for two thousand likely voters what actors are
Speaker 3: most harmful to our society and the. Economy At number
Speaker 3: one was, billionaires number two corporate, landlords three, sports, gambling
Speaker 3: four artificial, intelligence and five. Cryptocurrency The Republican party was
Speaker 3: found to be the seventh most harmful and The Democratic
Speaker 3: party was the. Ninth, so despite popular opposition to things
Speaker 3: THAT dsa candidates are specifically trying to, Address trump seems
Speaker 3: to believe that just screaming communism will stymy the growth
Speaker 3: of democratic socialism and scare voters away from voting in
Speaker 3: their class.
Speaker 15: Interest liberal became so, tarnished but now it's. Communists you,
Speaker 15: know they say social. Democrats no social democrat is a,
Speaker 15: communist all, right you, see and then say there's No
Speaker 15: so if you look at the people that are, running
Speaker 15: it's crazy what they're. Doing but we will we'll never
Speaker 15: let that happen to this. Country can't happen to the Count.
Speaker 15: Canada there's no appetite for.
Speaker 3: It if there's no appetite for. It how Come Bernie
Speaker 3: sanders And Zorn mamdani are the two most popular sitting
Speaker 3: politicians in the. Country how come one in Ten mamdnni
Speaker 3: voters voted For trump in twenty twenty. Four that's over
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand voters who Backed trump and then a
Speaker 3: year later voted For. Mamdanni candidates Like zoron are not
Speaker 3: just appealing to a sizable portion of people who Voted,
Speaker 3: trump but are also pulling in new voters who, might
Speaker 3: for the first time in their, lives actually have something
Speaker 3: to vote. For In New York, city around two hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty thousand people registered to vote in twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: five more than double that of the last mayoral election
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. One almost two thirds of those new
Speaker 3: voters were under the age of. THIRTY A cato pull
Speaker 3: from Late june found that among millennials, fifth twenty percent
Speaker 3: were favorable towards, capitalism but forty percent were favorable to
Speaker 3: socialism and twenty nine percent were favorable towards. Communism these
Speaker 3: percentages total over one hundred because this was a multiple choice,
Speaker 3: selection but the numbers among gen z are even more.
Speaker 3: Striking according to This cato, poll fifty three percent of
Speaker 3: GEN z respondents were favorable towards, socialism forty five percent to,
Speaker 3: capitalism and thirty eight percent to. Communism The New York
Speaker 3: times ran an article this Past tuesday about how support
Speaker 3: FOR nycdsa candidates in the last election was not divided by,
Speaker 3: race but rather by, age with older voters tending to
Speaker 3: support establishment candidates while younger voters backed insurgent. CHALLENGERS A
Speaker 3: yugov poll From june twenty ninth showed that the favorability
Speaker 3: of socialism was at fifty eight percent Among democrats and
Speaker 3: just eleven percent. Unfavorable among, independents socialism was thirty four
Speaker 3: percent unfavorable to thirty percent, favorable and Among republicans seventy
Speaker 3: one percent unfavorable to eleven percent. Favorable An echelon poll
Speaker 3: from Early july asked democrats should THE dsa have a
Speaker 3: larger or smaller influence on The Democratic party than they currently.
Speaker 3: Do forty six percent Of democrats said THE dsa should
Speaker 3: have a larger, influence twenty one percent said, smaller and
Speaker 3: thirty three percent were. Unsure following the DSA's congressional victories last,
Speaker 3: month there have been multiple think pieces in The atlantic
Speaker 3: about how THE dsa has gotten too radical and abandoned
Speaker 3: its social democratic, roots and how quote Unquote democrats became
Speaker 3: great by fighting the left in the postwar, period when
Speaker 3: liberals fought off a communist incursion into The Democratic party
Speaker 3: led By Henry, wallace former vice president TO. Fdr an
Speaker 3: opinion piece in The Washington post penned by the president
Speaker 3: and executive vice president of the centrist think Tank Third
Speaker 3: way argued that quote DSA's radicalism makes it not a
Speaker 3: faction to be, appeased but a movement to be. Opposed
Speaker 3: they insist that democratic socialist ideas are quote unquote electoral,
Speaker 3: poison and claim that quote far left governance has also
Speaker 3: been a, failure while ignoring the biggest most recent example
Speaker 3: of far left Governance New York. City on first, glance
Speaker 3: this piece in The Washington post presents a contradictory problem
Speaker 3: THAT dsa will Hand republicans perfect attack ad fodder that
Speaker 3: will Tank democrats electoral, chances especially in swing. States but
Speaker 3: on the other, hand they believe the biggest threat posed
Speaker 3: BY dsa is that their candidates are continuing to win
Speaker 3: elections and may thus transform the makeup of The Democratic,
Speaker 3: party or as the author's, right the DSA's commitment is
Speaker 3: to quote hallowing out The Democratic party from within by
Speaker 3: primarying Sitting democrats and replacing them with quote unquote ideological.
Speaker 3: Zealots to this, point the authors directly compare dsay's wave
Speaker 3: of success to The Republican Tea party movement from around
Speaker 3: twenty ten that reshaped THE gop and set the stage
Speaker 3: For trump to come rolling in and slingshot The republicans into.
Speaker 3: Power they wrote that for years The Tea party quote
Speaker 3: looked like self. Sabotage then a charismatic outsider, arrived harnessed
Speaker 3: the energy The Tea party, fomented and took over The Republican.
Speaker 3: Party democrats who assume a takeover can't happen have learned
Speaker 3: nothing from the death of The party Of. Reagan THE
Speaker 3: dsay is building a left wing ideological movement waiting for
Speaker 3: its standard bearer. Unquote so THE dsa is both electoral
Speaker 3: poison but also risks being so popular and so successful
Speaker 3: that democratic socialism could take over The Democratic. Party despite
Speaker 3: all the concern, trolling the author's real fear isn't that
Speaker 3: DSA's radical rhetoric will Sabotage democrats' ability to win, elections
Speaker 3: but that the DSA's recent victories could very well lead
Speaker 3: to A Democratic party with workers at the, forefront and
Speaker 3: such a party would threaten the class interests of think
Speaker 3: take gules like those At Third. Way one of the
Speaker 3: biggest results of DSA's electoral, strategy beyond winning, seats is
Speaker 3: Reorienting american politics back to a class based understanding of,
Speaker 3: politics whether that's framed in red scare terms like capitalism versus,
Speaker 3: communism more slopulist rhetoric like regular people versus the quote
Speaker 3: Unquote epstein in, class or simply the working class against
Speaker 3: the bipartisan. Elites the DSA's momentum and this new red
Speaker 3: scare point to a return of class struggle, politics and
Speaker 3: this is the result Of Democratic, socialists especially The New
Speaker 3: york chapter OF, dsa who have been slowly building power
Speaker 3: the past, decade experimenting winning local races and increasing their organizational.
Speaker 3: Capacity after the twenty twenty four, election The Democratic party
Speaker 3: was in a uniquely compromised. State then State assembly members
Speaker 3: Or mumdani and THE dsa seized on this opportunity to
Speaker 3: redefine what democratic politics are show that they can win
Speaker 3: and demonstrate that they can succeed at governing and advancing
Speaker 3: the interests of the working class in the biggest city
Speaker 3: in the. Country while reacting To Maya Mumdani's Independence day,
Speaker 3: Speech Steve bannon cautioned against dismissing the threat posed By.
Speaker 3: Mamdani this is quite.
Speaker 30: Serious if you dismiss this guy and dismiss the people around,
Speaker 30: him and dismiss the money in back of, him you
Speaker 30: are missing something that's more powerful Than.
Speaker 4: Obama and it's not just this, guy it's the team around.
Speaker 3: Him of, Course Steve bannon cannot understand that something Like
Speaker 3: momdani isn't the result of big, money but rather regular,
Speaker 3: people individual, donors and one hundred thousand volunteers who actually
Speaker 3: believe in fighting for a positive political. Project the next
Speaker 3: major test of that project will be In, wisconsin Where
Speaker 3: Democratic socialist candidate To Francesca hang is running for. Governor
Speaker 3: if she wins her upcoming primary Come, november this election
Speaker 3: will be the biggest test case to see If Democratic
Speaker 3: socialists can organize and win statewide in a swing.
Speaker 5: State see you on the other, side it could happen.
Speaker 3: Here executive disorder our weekly newscast covering what's happening in
Speaker 3: The White, house the crumbling, world and what it means for.
Speaker 3: You I'm Garrison davis today'm joined By Mia. Wong this,
Speaker 3: episode we are covering the week Of july eighth To july.
Speaker 3: FIFTEENTH a totally different war In iran has. Started god
Speaker 3: And ice has killed two people this. Week James stout
Speaker 3: will have a segment on that later this, episode but
Speaker 3: let's start with a few small. Things mitch McConnell has
Speaker 3: entered into a pact with the Demon, methastopheles who extend
Speaker 3: his life in exchange for the death of. Another in other,
Speaker 3: news four Term Senator Lindsey graham has died following what
Speaker 3: his office calls a quote unquote brief and sudden.
Speaker 5: ILLNESS i want TO i want to take two seconds
Speaker 5: to speak ill of the. Man SO i found this
Speaker 5: out From sophie messaging us in the group, chat AND
Speaker 5: i fully read the title of the article and clicked on,
Speaker 5: it AND i fully read the Words Lindsay, graham and
Speaker 5: my brain, went, well obviously It's misch. McConnell someone made
Speaker 5: a typo or something in the. Headline it wasn't even
Speaker 5: LIKE i thought it was a. Typo it's, like, fully
Speaker 5: my brain refused to process that it. Was Lindsay gram,
Speaker 5: Said ach.
Speaker 3: McConnell what a bait and switch, though like an incredible
Speaker 3: an incredible week And senate.
Speaker 5: Politics, yeah oh my, god completely. Wild the second THING
Speaker 5: i want to say ill of him was there's a
Speaker 5: very Funny axios thing where he's talking about how he's
Speaker 5: not gonna go to the hospital and he can't die
Speaker 5: because he has to do like terriffs and then also
Speaker 5: specifically he has to Do Israel Saudi arabia. Normalization he
Speaker 5: has to, establish, Yeah Israel's Israel saudi relationship and this
Speaker 5: is this IS i, think how how he should go
Speaker 5: out being, remembered which is trying trying to brow for
Speaker 5: an alliance between like the world's worst monarchy and like
Speaker 5: one of the world's worst EBox sees two of the
Speaker 5: most evil countries in the, world like two of the top,
Speaker 5: five which is really. Impressive right now we're up there. Too.
Speaker 3: Yeah On saturday, NIGHT ems responded to a call for
Speaker 3: quote unquote cardiac arrest At Graham's Capitol hill, home according
Speaker 3: to police scanner, audio and On Sunday graham's office announced
Speaker 3: the preliminary cause of death was a rupture of his
Speaker 3: iorda due to a hardening of his. Arteries that same,
Speaker 3: Day mitch McConnell posted a photo Holding today's a. Newspaper On,
Speaker 3: Monday trump went On newsmax to say That graham's death
Speaker 3: actually wasn't related to his artery, problems and instead he
Speaker 3: died of heart. Complications, QUOTE a certain part of his
Speaker 3: body literally blew. Up let's play the.
Speaker 5: Clip you have any suspicions or. Worry do you think
Speaker 5: we know the whole story about his? Death, WELL i
Speaker 5: think we.
Speaker 16: Do we've had great doctors and they talked, about you,
Speaker 16: know a certain part of his body literally blew.
Speaker 5: Up and that's a CONDITION i believe his father.
Speaker 12: Had also his father also had the part of body
Speaker 12: blows up. Condition, GOD i part of me hopes that
Speaker 12: there is a hell and That Lindsay graham is looking
Speaker 12: up like in hell and seeing that this is What Donald,
Speaker 12: trump the man who he just, like turned his entire
Speaker 12: career into.
Speaker 3: Backing the saying about him and to his, Day trump
Speaker 3: addressed some whirling conspiracy theories Around graham's, death whether or
Speaker 3: not he was poisoned by The russians or other nefarious
Speaker 3: acts may have taken, place And trump just, said, QUOTE
Speaker 3: i know there's all sorts of conspiracy theories going, around
Speaker 3: AND i think THE fbi is wasting their time if
Speaker 3: they are doing.
Speaker 12: That.
Speaker 3: Unquote that's in reference to a post made By Cash
Speaker 3: fattel Following graham's, death which was mostly like an ordinary
Speaker 3: like memorial, statement but curiously it ended with this sentence,
Speaker 3: quote THE fbi is assisting local, authorities and it's made
Speaker 3: every necessary resource available. UNQUOTE i think this Is patel
Speaker 3: just being a kind of like a. Moron, YEAH i
Speaker 3: was TALKING i was talking With Molly conger about this
Speaker 3: earlier this, week and she said That patel often makes
Speaker 3: kind of posts like this following like big national news
Speaker 3: just because he like is still caught in like the
Speaker 3: content creator mindset of just you have to like comment
Speaker 3: on everything and like relate it back to yourself in some.
Speaker 3: Way now that THE fbi did like go through Like
Speaker 3: graham's home and like that's that's pretty. Ordinary but BUT
Speaker 3: i think a post like this, is, YEAH i don't
Speaker 3: think indicating a larger conspiracy or foul play at, work
Speaker 3: and is kind of just a an oversight made By
Speaker 3: patel not really thinking about the consequences of his.
Speaker 5: Actions, yeah and like part of the consequences is that
Speaker 5: like a huge portion of the right is convinced that
Speaker 5: he was killed by some nebulous. Force there's like five
Speaker 5: thousand different unhinged theories as to who killed him or.
Speaker 5: Whatever but, like, no he's just. Old, no his body
Speaker 5: just literally blew.
Speaker 3: Up, now Following Lindsey graham's, death his, Sister Darlene Graham,
Speaker 3: nordon was appointed By South Carolina Governor henry McMaster to
Speaker 3: serve the remainder Of graham's, term which ends In. JANUARY
Speaker 3: i didn't know you could just do. That you can
Speaker 3: just call if oh, yeah WELL i know, YOU i
Speaker 3: know the governor, appoints but just calling up the dead
Speaker 3: senator's sister to.
Speaker 5: Be, like, hey do you want to fill? In there
Speaker 5: was some election where Like Alan ashcroft lost an election
Speaker 5: to a dead, guy AND i think they put his
Speaker 5: spouse in office or something, Afterwards so, LIKE i guess
Speaker 5: there is president for this extremely baffling. Shit it's pretty.
Speaker 3: Remarkable Lindsay graham had actually just won The republican nomination
Speaker 3: for his fifth, term but Now South carolina will hold
Speaker 3: a special election next month to select a new, Nominee
Speaker 3: Nancy masistner hat into the. Ring we'll see if anything
Speaker 3: comes to. That so week was off to uh kind
Speaker 3: of an okay, START i. Guess in other, news in
Speaker 3: a three hundred and eight to one hundred and seventeen,
Speaker 3: vote The house passed legislation to make daylight savings time permanent.
Speaker 3: Nationwide the bill is supported By, trump and if passed
Speaker 3: by The, senate it would end the twice a year clock.
Speaker 3: Changes pack it, up. Folks Hunter biden sat down With
Speaker 3: Nick fuentes On Andrew Callahan's channel five podcast this. Week Oh,
Speaker 3: god legitimate nightmare blunt. Rotation, Yeah i've never been on
Speaker 3: the Pro Hunter biden, Train, no because he is obviously
Speaker 3: he's In, sartain no way related to mine or that
Speaker 3: of you, know regular. People but hopefully this will will
Speaker 3: stop the Whole Hunter Biden's stan community.
Speaker 5: Online. YEAH i also just want to mention BECAUSE i
Speaker 5: think people don't know who this guy is or remember.
Speaker 5: It but, yeah there have been a curie as those
Speaker 5: sexual assault allegations Against Andrew. Callahan and also, yeah part
Speaker 5: of the nightmare or blunt.
Speaker 3: Rotation Andrew callahan is one hundred percent part of nightmare blunt.
Speaker 3: Rotation oh, yeah, YEAH i JUST i just want to
Speaker 3: make it clear that he. Is, yes this is absolutely his.
Speaker 3: Crowd in some better, news The trump administration is abandoning
Speaker 3: a proposed rule change to Block medicare And medicaid funding
Speaker 3: to hospitals that provide gender affirming care to trans. Youth
Speaker 3: over thirty thousand comments were submitted following the proposal Last.
Speaker 3: December medical groups like The American Medical association and The
Speaker 3: Children's Hospital association pushed back on the. Proposal the vast
Speaker 3: majority of those thirty thousand comments were against this proposed rule.
Speaker 5: Change this is, Good this is a good.
Speaker 3: Thing this was a big threat that prompted hospitals to
Speaker 3: comply in, advance and they should not have done, that
Speaker 3: and that is. Bad and we still don't know if
Speaker 3: those hospitals will reinstate. Care yeah, yeah and they should
Speaker 3: still be pressured. Yep and obviously the administration is still
Speaker 3: going after trans youth care, specifically they're still trying to
Speaker 3: go after patient records and are targeting specific hospitals with criminal.
Speaker 3: Subpoenas not all those subpoenas have been. Successful but this
Speaker 3: is good news about this proposed rule.
Speaker 4: Change.
Speaker 3: Yeah On, Friday Fergie, chambers self styled quote unquote anti,
Speaker 3: imperialist communist and multimillion dollar air to The cox family,
Speaker 3: fortune was detained In, Ibeza spain under requests from THE
Speaker 3: Us Justice, department who is attempting to Extradite chambers back
Speaker 3: to The states and is being charged with international money
Speaker 3: laundering with intent to provide material support to foreign terrorist
Speaker 3: organizations Likely. Hamas the past few, Years chambers has donated
Speaker 3: millions to Pro palestinian causes and has been globe trotting
Speaker 3: the past few. Months this is a political. Prosecution whether
Speaker 3: or not you Like chambers or disagree with parts of his,
Speaker 3: politics this is probably a bad thing and a bad
Speaker 3: sign for Pro palestinian politics across The United. States oh,
Speaker 3: Yeah spain has like forty days to decide if they're
Speaker 3: going to comply with the extradition, request And chambers has
Speaker 3: a bail hearing On thursday to see if he will
Speaker 3: remain in the. Tension speaking of international far left, terrorism On,
Speaker 3: Thursday july, Sixteenth Marco rubia will be holding an international
Speaker 3: meeting at The State department focused on the threat Of
Speaker 3: antifa and the quote resurgence of transnational far left. Terrorism
Speaker 3: according to The Washington, Post ford senior ministers from more
Speaker 3: than sixty countries were, invited though many will be unlikely
Speaker 3: to attend due to the meetings vague aims and short.
Speaker 3: Notice One european diplomat told The Washington post they were
Speaker 3: confused as to why they were. Invited, quote we don't have.
Speaker 3: Antifa another said, quote our law enforcement authorities have not
Speaker 3: focused on left wing terrorism because that is not considered
Speaker 3: a high priority threat in our.
Speaker 5: Country. Unquote The Washington.
Speaker 3: Post also reported that SOME us officials will not be
Speaker 3: attending this meeting out of growing fear that the increased
Speaker 3: targeting of far left activists may backfire on conservatives Once
Speaker 3: trump is out of.
Speaker 5: Office in fear.
Speaker 3: Motheruners so we are recording this before the summit is
Speaker 3: going to take. Place if something comes of, it we
Speaker 3: may report on it later.
Speaker 30: On.
Speaker 3: Yeah in More Mark Rubio, News secretary Of State Mark
Speaker 3: rubio announced On monday that The United states is launching
Speaker 3: a campaign to dismantle The International Criminal, court Which rubio
Speaker 3: says Threatens american.
Speaker 5: Sovereignty we're not even in. It we're not even in THE.
Speaker 10: Icc what are we doing here?
Speaker 3: Now THE icc has has attracted the eyr of. Conservatives yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah ever since its. Inception. Yeah but this Week rubio
Speaker 3: announced the launch of a whole of government effort that
Speaker 3: will use quote all the tools at our government's disposal
Speaker 3: to take on the. Court reuters reported debt options being
Speaker 3: considered include quote travel, bands visa, restrictions increased sanctions against
Speaker 3: THE icc and affiliated, organizations and diplomatic pressure on other
Speaker 3: nations to withdraw from The international Crem.
Speaker 4: Court.
Speaker 5: Quote rubio penned an opinion piece in The Wall Street,
Speaker 5: journal which is behind a, paywall incredible explaining quote why
Speaker 5: we're dismantling The International Criminal, Court And i'll quote from
Speaker 5: from the piece. Here.
Speaker 3: Quote last, year major activist groups urged high ranking international
Speaker 3: officials quote to take immediate and meaningful action against The
Speaker 3: trump administration's deportation of violent criminals To El. Salvador months,
Speaker 3: later a FORMER icc chief prosecutor Declared President trump's strikes
Speaker 3: against narco terrorists amounted to a quote unquote crime against
Speaker 3: humanity and should be treated as such under international, law
Speaker 3: a line that was echoed By United nations leaders and
Speaker 3: major leftist non governmental, organizations democratic party, officials and. Politicians In,
Speaker 3: march The washington Based democracy for The Arab World now
Speaker 3: urged The iranian regime to request AN icc investigation of
Speaker 3: quote unquote apparent war crimes committed By american personnel unquote war.
Speaker 5: Crimes enjoyer hates the people who every once in a
Speaker 5: blue moon sort of do something about war.
Speaker 4: Crimes.
Speaker 3: Guys huh, Yeah, SO i mean this shows that there
Speaker 3: is at least some level of fear in The trump
Speaker 3: administration or The State department that strikes on boats off
Speaker 3: the coast Of, venezuela disappearing immigrants into An El salvadoran,
Speaker 3: prison and strikes on civilian infrastructure and civilians In iran
Speaker 3: could result in at least some sort of pressure being
Speaker 3: applied on THE us from THE. Icc rubio wants to
Speaker 3: get ahead of that in some. WAY i don't think this.
Speaker 5: Will be very.
Speaker 3: Successful THE us doesn't really hold much diplomatic power right.
Speaker 3: Now it's this kind of, posturing this posturing that we've
Speaker 3: seen From republican administrations, before especially in the twenty. Tens
Speaker 3: BUT i think this is interesting and worth. Noting, lastly
Speaker 3: one more small news. Item Jake tapper is a, sniveling
Speaker 3: diesel coward and. Fraud On Sunday, Check taffer Interviewed President,
Speaker 3: trump and let's take a look at his hard hitting.
Speaker 5: Questions iron has declared the strait of horror moves.
Speaker 31: Closed is that, true mister, President.
Speaker 5: It's open as far as we're.
Speaker 4: Concerned don't talk about.
Speaker 5: It talk about the reason.
Speaker 12: That you asked me to.
Speaker 10: Speak.
Speaker 5: Okay we appreciate your, time.
Speaker 3: Sir, Okay oh, boy incredible journalism on display AT. Cnn
Speaker 3: tapper finished this quote unquote interview by talking out The
Speaker 3: president just a little bit.
Speaker 31: More, WELL i know you don't want to talk about
Speaker 31: any other issues out of respect For Lindsey, graham but
Speaker 31: we would love to have you back sometime BECAUSE i
Speaker 31: do have a lot of other questions for, you.
Speaker 5: Sir we'll do.
Speaker 15: That we'll do.
Speaker 4: That thank you for calling.
Speaker 6: In a normal, path and we'll do.
Speaker 31: That, Well i'm on a normal path right, here, Sir
Speaker 31: AND i appreciate your time and thank you for calling.
Speaker 6: In, okay thanks so.
Speaker 5: Much i'm a good little, boy mister. President please please
Speaker 5: please like. Me i've been. GOOD i won't challenge you on.
Speaker 5: ANYTHING i swear the most stolerashing part Of this is
Speaker 5: like all of this like, sniveling like boot, licking didn't
Speaker 5: even get him an in person. Interview this is a phone,
Speaker 5: call like come, On.
Speaker 3: I'm no fan of the, man but recently he has
Speaker 3: been appealing To trump a lot, more and to, me
Speaker 3: it kind of seems like he's trying out For David
Speaker 3: ellison in case the PARAMOUNT wb deal goes through and
Speaker 3: that results In Barry weiss or someone of that ilk
Speaker 3: being put in charge OF. Cnn SO i think that in,
Speaker 3: Part tapper is trying to demonstrate to those people that
Speaker 3: he will play, ball Whereas Cooper. Anderson cooper has has
Speaker 3: said if that, happens he will not work for someone
Speaker 3: Like Barry, weiss as he has left Sixty, minutes which
Speaker 3: has been put Under Barry weiss's, control though he remains AT.
Speaker 3: Cnn that's all for our first. Segment we will come
Speaker 3: back with a special report From James stout on two
Speaker 3: ice killings and the New Ish war With.
Speaker 5: Iran, okay we are. Back here's our segment From James.
Speaker 18: Stout, hi, everyone it's Me. JAMES i am calling in
Speaker 18: from Front range In. Colorado apologies if by sound. TIRED
Speaker 18: i have slept approximately three hours in the last twenty
Speaker 18: Four BUT i am joining you today to talk about
Speaker 18: two things which you can probably guess if you follow
Speaker 18: the needs at. ALL i want to start out With
Speaker 18: iran and then we're going to talk about. It hostd
Speaker 18: bepinion in THE usa And iran have resumed in a
Speaker 18: new and of course totally different war that in no
Speaker 18: way requires congressional. Authorization THE usa carried out four consecutive
Speaker 18: nights of strikes on the day of, recording which Is.
Speaker 18: Wednesday they carried those out in Side, iran While iran
Speaker 18: once again attempted to close the straight Up hormuz ring
Speaker 18: on ships in The. Strait in, addition The iranians have Struk,
Speaker 18: kata which has been a mediator in talks between them
Speaker 18: and The United states as well as other countries in
Speaker 18: the region and what it.
Speaker 8: Perceives to BE us allies and.
Speaker 18: Assets at the time of recording On wednesday, night we
Speaker 18: have gone from sporadic strike to the full on beating
Speaker 18: of the drums of war. Again The United states has
Speaker 18: returned to its previous blockade Of. Iran according to S
Speaker 18: Senkam's Central command is the military command that covers that.
Speaker 8: Region Ten kom.
Speaker 18: Also used one way surface drones to Strike iranian port.
Speaker 18: Facilities this is the first documented use of these course
Speaker 18: heir drones in this. Capacity if you're thinking about how
Speaker 18: to picture this in your, mind think about a remote
Speaker 18: control boat much bigger than your average toy, boat but
Speaker 18: much smaller than a warship size with jet ski, maybe
Speaker 18: and these are laiden with, explosives piloted to a target
Speaker 18: and then they detonate Rent that's why they're called one.
Speaker 18: Way prefer the term suicide. Drone it's not the drone that's,
Speaker 18: dying it's. PEOPLE i don't like to trying to muddy
Speaker 18: the waters with. That Saint com and The United states
Speaker 18: are still insisting that The strait Of Horn moves is
Speaker 18: open and they've claimed that they've shot Down iranian, drones
Speaker 18: but in the past, Week iran has Hit saudi flagged
Speaker 18: tankers in A singaporean, ship hitting at least four vessels
Speaker 18: in the. Strait since last, Week iran has also claimed
Speaker 18: to have sunk A Saint kitts And nevis flagged vessel On,
Speaker 18: tuesday and they have once again returned with full ferocity
Speaker 18: to their campaign of attacks Against Southern. Kurdistan AND i
Speaker 18: just heard from friends in Southern kurdistwan today have got
Speaker 18: dozens of messages of pictures of drones going, overhead drones
Speaker 18: being shot, down drodes being, intercepted, fires. Etc The United,
Speaker 18: states for its, part has also been un firing on.
Speaker 18: Ships today it hit the motor Tanker belma with a hellfire.
Speaker 18: Missile they claim that they warned the vessel and it
Speaker 18: was heading in the direction of Carg. Island it didn't,
Speaker 18: comply so they disabled, it preferring the missile to the.
Speaker 18: Smokestack and for his, Part donald from The president of
Speaker 18: The United, states has returned to making threats of war.
Speaker 8: Crimes here's a.
Speaker 15: Clip and then next week it gets really bad for
Speaker 15: them because next week comes the.
Speaker 4: Power. Plants next week comes the. Bridges we're going to
Speaker 4: knock out all their power, plants.
Speaker 18: All, Right and now we're going to move on to
Speaker 18: another really heartbreaking. Story ice has killed Three americans this,
Speaker 18: week And i'm going to start and go most in
Speaker 18: depth with the story of a twenty six year old
Speaker 18: man named One Sebastian Duran.
Speaker 8: Guero he was killed by ice On.
Speaker 18: Monday Durang guero was A colombian citizen he was in
Speaker 18: his car when agents seem to have tried to stop.
Speaker 18: HIM a video released by The Portland Press herald and
Speaker 18: shot on the, scene shows To anguero's car slowly, circling
Speaker 18: with agents standing on either side of the vehicle and
Speaker 18: not in its. Path it appears that LATER i, say
Speaker 18: agents rammed the vehicle with THE suv and then. Shot
Speaker 18: do Rang guerrero for the, video WHICH i, KNOW i
Speaker 18: say this a, lot but, like you don't have to
Speaker 18: watch this to. Care it's not a mark of how
Speaker 18: much you care or you don't, care how much you traumatize.
Speaker 18: Yourself you don't have to watch this to care with
Speaker 18: your whole. Heart but video shows him pulling his body
Speaker 18: from the, vehicle throwing it on the, floor and handcuffing.
Speaker 18: Him there was not in the video WHAT i perceived
Speaker 18: to be evidence of any immediate attempt to render. Aid
Speaker 18: one witness has said she heard the agencyl, weapon according
Speaker 18: To Banga Daily. News The Daily news reported that. Quote
Speaker 18: the witness said that one officer had walked away after
Speaker 18: the shooting and started to, cry but returned to the
Speaker 18: man and started ADMINISTERING cpr when the other officers said
Speaker 18: he has a. Pulse another witness related WHAT i was.
Speaker 18: SAYING i tried to, stop and then THE.
Speaker 32: Suv hit him, again and you tried him.
Speaker 4: And and then that's when he.
Speaker 32: Stopped ice agent got, out tried to open the door
Speaker 32: and had a difficult, time but eventually opened it and
Speaker 32: pulled the guy. Out his face was, bloody his head was,
Speaker 32: bloody AND i clearly heard the victims SAY i tried to.
Speaker 32: Stop clearly heard him say. That THE ice agent that
Speaker 32: shot him walked right in front of, me and of
Speaker 32: COURSE i HAD i was emotional AND i just let
Speaker 32: him have, it and he looked at me and he
Speaker 32: said he tried to run me over or something to that.
Speaker 4: EFFECT i don't remember his exact.
Speaker 32: Words there was Another ice agent with him that was
Speaker 32: trying to comfort, him and they walked.
Speaker 8: Away it appears During luerreo's family witnesses, shooting which is.
Speaker 18: Heartbreaking recording an The Portland Press herald said a woman
Speaker 18: and a young girl were holding hands and crying at the.
Speaker 18: Scene she couldn't have been older than, three said the.
Speaker 18: Witness Portland Press harold spoke to. This this person who
Speaker 18: spoke to him has a two year old, son And
Speaker 18: i'm going to quite hear from The Press. Herald she
Speaker 18: was still in her blue, pajamas just minutes after a
Speaker 18: man was shot and, killed reportedly by federal immigration officials
Speaker 18: who missedne that's the name of their, source saw who
Speaker 18: she believed was the victim's.
Speaker 8: Daughter she. Said the older of the two women yelled
Speaker 8: to law. Enforcement you took her. Dad you took her.
Speaker 18: Dad danguerro's, father talking To Antic Scaracole columbia said, elplear, no.
Speaker 8: He had so many dreams To. JAY'S i don't know
Speaker 8: why they did.
Speaker 18: This the Main Namigrants Rights commission And Presente Migrant Ampacacy
Speaker 18: organization issued a statement confirming That Dora aguero was authorized
Speaker 18: to work in The United states and have been issued
Speaker 18: a Social security. NUMBER i want to be clear about,
Speaker 18: this AND i want to be clear about Why i'm
Speaker 18: being clear about. THIS i guess one status or like
Speaker 18: thereof does not. Matter the agents did not know Dour anguerolo's,
Speaker 18: status it. Seems Main Senator Angus, king who is an independent,
Speaker 18: senator told the associate depressed of Du anguerda was not
Speaker 18: the target of an enforcement, operation which was a revision
Speaker 18: to a statement he in.
Speaker 8: The country he'd made earlier that.
Speaker 18: Day one status or lack of status should not determine
Speaker 18: if they can survive driving their car, around should not
Speaker 18: determine if a little girl grows up with or without a.
Speaker 18: Father but if we're going to make claims about that,
Speaker 18: status AS i have seen many people do on their
Speaker 18: Monetized twitter, accounts then we should try and make them.
Speaker 18: Correct so let's be clear about. This he was authorized
Speaker 18: to work in The United states and he has issued
Speaker 18: A Social security. Number according to The Main Immigants Rights
Speaker 18: commission And, pretende that does not mean he was a
Speaker 18: resident of The United.
Speaker 8: States.
Speaker 18: Necessarily it does not mean he was a. Citizen this
Speaker 18: can happen during the asylum. Process we've spoken about the
Speaker 18: work permit. Clock we've spoken about how problematic the work
Speaker 18: permit clock. Is we've spoken about how hard it is
Speaker 18: for people to get work Perm there are other processes
Speaker 18: too which you can get a work permit in the.
Speaker 18: Process BUT i want to be clear about this because
Speaker 18: it's important that we tell the truth and all of
Speaker 18: the truth. Right BUT i also want to be clear
Speaker 18: that anybody making the claim that he was a resident
Speaker 18: is going about this wrong because his legal status is
Speaker 18: not what you're. Protecting being a human being is what you're.
Speaker 18: Protecting no three year old girl should see her father
Speaker 18: shot in the, street much less by people who your
Speaker 18: tax is paid to shoot. Him and SO i want
Speaker 18: to be clear about, that AND i GUESS i Hope
Speaker 18: i've been clear about Why i'm being clear about. That
Speaker 18: king also confirmed the agents were not wearing body cameras
Speaker 18: at the time with the. Shooting with this and the
Speaker 18: killing In, houston Which i'll get to it a little,
Speaker 18: BIT cnn is reporting THAT ice is largely stopping vehicle
Speaker 18: stops for. Now The, atlantic reporting on this added. Quote
Speaker 18: the officer involved in fatal shooting In maine was hired
Speaker 18: BY isis year from The department Of Veterans Affairs. Police
Speaker 18: according to a senior, official the officer has worked in
Speaker 18: federal law enforcement since twenty. Seventeen the official, SAID dhs
Speaker 18: issued the following. Statement it's using this sort of like
Speaker 18: bullshit equivocal language THAT i would straight up fail someone
Speaker 18: in one hundred level writing course.
Speaker 8: For But i'll read it out so you can hear
Speaker 8: what they.
Speaker 18: Said On july, thirteen to twenty twenty, six at approximately
Speaker 18: seven Am eastern, TIME ice was conducting a targeted surveillance
Speaker 18: on the last known address of an illegal alien with
Speaker 18: a final order of. REMOVAL a legal alien departed the
Speaker 18: residents in a. Vehicle ice law enforcement attempted to conduct
Speaker 18: a vehicle. Stop the vehicle attempted to flee the scene
Speaker 18: and fearing for public, safety and officer discharged his. Weapon
Speaker 18: the driver of the vehicle struck and emergency services were immediately.
Speaker 18: Contacted he passed away from his. Injuries the bit off
Speaker 18: a police DEPARTMENT fbi responded to the. SCENE dhsig has
Speaker 18: been notified and like all discharge of, firearms this will be.
Speaker 18: Investigated it's a developing situation and we will update the
Speaker 18: public when more information is. AVAILABLE a couple of THINGS
Speaker 18: i want to. Know they didn't say that the officer
Speaker 18: feared for his. Life they did say he feared for public.
Speaker 18: SAFETY i think we should be wary of reading too
Speaker 18: much into these. Statements they're always so, vague wishy, washy in,
Speaker 18: equivocal and it's just the. Cops speakers become almost its own,
Speaker 18: language especially in the statements of cops make after that kill.
Speaker 18: SOMEONE i do want to note that The office of
Speaker 18: The Inspector general right DHS oig that's referred to there
Speaker 18: is one of very FEW dhs assets that is not
Speaker 18: getting a huge budget. Bump and as the agency, grows
Speaker 18: THE oig will very much struggle to keep, up especially
Speaker 18: IF ice continues Killing americans at this. Rate, indeed The
Speaker 18: White house last month and it's proposed budget proposed cutting
Speaker 18: THE oig. Budget so wouldn't hold you wreath for a
Speaker 18: thorough investigation if you want to learn more about THE
Speaker 18: DHS oig and how he came to have, it and
Speaker 18: then the long history that THE dhs has of preventing
Speaker 18: meaningful investigations into shootings BY dhs. OFFICERS i did an
Speaker 18: episode With Gen budd probably three years, ago AND i
Speaker 18: would suggest going back and listening to. That you can
Speaker 18: Buy gen's book. TWO i think she covers it. There
Speaker 18: the day after, this another young man was killed BY.
Speaker 18: Ice man was twenty eight years. Old he was killed
Speaker 18: AFTER ice agents attempted to detain, Him he fled and
Speaker 18: he was struck by a. Vehicle this, WEEK ice also
Speaker 18: Killed Lorenzo, salgado a father of three who have been
Speaker 18: in The United states for thirty five. Years one of his,
Speaker 18: sons in a press, conference said that he was aware
Speaker 18: That this was his dad when he saw a video On,
Speaker 18: facebook which is, heartbreaking claiming in this, shooting as they
Speaker 18: have falsely in almost every, shooting that he tried to
Speaker 18: weaponize his. Vehicle the agent shot him In. Texas this,
Speaker 18: WEEK cbs reported from The Harris County attorney that he
Speaker 18: is filing for visas for witnesses in the case unless
Speaker 18: it be deported before they can give evidence in the.
Speaker 18: CASE i don't want to go into a great deal
Speaker 18: more depth about. THIS i Guess i've seen a lot
Speaker 18: of speculation in all of these AND i might do
Speaker 18: a whole episode on it. SOON i just want to
Speaker 18: take some time at the, MOMENT i, guess for us
Speaker 18: all to to process more. GRIEF i did a book
Speaker 18: talk yesterday In oakland and we just read their names
Speaker 18: out loud and had a little moment With Edith.
Speaker 8: Moranti it was Edis. Idea it was.
Speaker 18: WONDERFULLY i had a little moment to think about them
Speaker 18: at the start of the book talk, there and that
Speaker 18: was a nice thing to. Do BUT i GUESS i
Speaker 18: just want to, say, like we are the people who
Speaker 18: get to decide if we want to keep living like,
Speaker 18: this and we don't have, to and it's helped to
Speaker 18: all of us to decide if this is the way
Speaker 18: we want to live and the way we want things to. Be,
Speaker 18: YEAH i hope you can all take some time to
Speaker 18: process this and deal with it however you.
Speaker 5: Can, okay we are.
Speaker 3: Back ahead of an upcoming union, Election The department Of
Speaker 3: justice has opened a grand jury investigation INTO Uaw President Sean.
Speaker 3: Faine Sean fayne is currently facing a challenge FROM Uaw
Speaker 3: Vice President Rich, boyer who years ago told the court
Speaker 3: appointed independent monitor That feinn quote acted improperly to obtain
Speaker 3: financial benefits for his fiancee. Unquote fain said in a, statement,
Speaker 3: Quote let's be clear about what's going on. Here Rich
Speaker 3: boyer has fed the monitor false allegations about me and
Speaker 3: is now trying to weaponize these bogus allegations to steal
Speaker 3: the UPCOMING uaw. Election he knows he can't win a
Speaker 3: fair fight because he has no real platform to run on.
Speaker 3: Unquote the court appointed monitor FOR, Uaw Neil, borowsky has
Speaker 3: clashed With faine the past few. Years ever Since faine
Speaker 3: pushed for THE oaw to pass a resolution calling for
Speaker 3: a ceasefire In, gaza which they then did way back
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. Three at the, time THE ow was
Speaker 3: the largest union to do, so and In december of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, Three fain gave a speech IN dc along
Speaker 3: Side Congress Rowman Corey busch And Rashida talib calling for
Speaker 3: a ceasefire and for aid to Enter. Gaza brovsky Called
Speaker 3: faine to express dissatisfaction with this, resolution And faine claims
Speaker 3: That brovsky called him an anti. Semite brovsky also forwarded
Speaker 3: a letter to the union from THE adl claiming THAT
Speaker 3: auaw local was antisemitic for supporting the. Ceasefire Detroit news
Speaker 3: reported That brovsky quote acknowledged the matter was outside The monitor's,
Speaker 3: jurisdiction but said he was forwarding it quote given the
Speaker 3: serious concerns raised here unquote to quote an article in
Speaker 3: The American prospect Quote at THE Uaw Executive Board's february
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, meeting members asked Why brovsky was involving
Speaker 3: himself in the union's, politics While borrovsky protested he was
Speaker 3: not really seeking a policy change from. Them infuriated by
Speaker 3: Both broski's charges and his, Denials fain, said quote for
Speaker 3: anyone to ever fucking say Anti, semitic, Brother i'll fight
Speaker 3: your ass in front of this building in a heartbeat.
Speaker 3: Unquote within weeks of that, Meeting brosky initiated an investigation
Speaker 3: Of faine's interactions with SEVERAL uaw leaders. Unquote In Sean
Speaker 3: fayne's recent statement regarding the DOJ's, investigation he, claimed, Quote
Speaker 3: Neil barowski has a political grudge against me because THE
Speaker 3: uaw took an anti war stance about what was happening In.
Speaker 3: Gaza Under Sean, fayn THE uaw has moved in a
Speaker 3: much more militant direction and has BACKED dsa candidates running
Speaker 3: on working class platforms and states going against some other
Speaker 3: union coalitions who were backing progressive or establishment, dems like
Speaker 3: In New york With Claire, valdez where THE uaw Backed
Speaker 3: claire and a coalition of OTHER us unions Backed Antonio.
Speaker 3: Renoso faine has been a very effective union president who
Speaker 3: has won a lot of big contract, victories and in
Speaker 3: his statement addressing the, investigation he, wrote, Quote we've accomplished
Speaker 3: more in the past three years and three months than
Speaker 3: in the previous. Decades this is what happens when you
Speaker 3: go against Corporate. America and their, allies And i'm not
Speaker 3: going to be intimidated or harassed out of serving our.
Speaker 3: Membership our election is in six. Weeks neilbrowski will not
Speaker 3: run our union no matter how hard he, tries and
Speaker 3: no company sell out Like boyer is going to dictate
Speaker 3: our elections.
Speaker 5: UNQUOTE i think it's worth going over here sort of
Speaker 5: the general dynamics of union, elections which is that for
Speaker 5: basically every major union largely would elections come down. To
Speaker 5: this is how THE uaw was run for. Decades there
Speaker 5: is usually something that's called like The Administrative caucus or
Speaker 5: the Admin, caucus which tends to be the long term
Speaker 5: sort of ruling. CLIQUE i guess of the union that
Speaker 5: it usually has held power. Continuously they're kind, of as
Speaker 5: it felt power for. Decades The teamsters were like, This
Speaker 5: THE uaw was like this Until Sean fain One Sean
Speaker 5: fayne is From there's usually something called a reform. Faction, yeah,
Speaker 5: yeah who are a further left, faction and then there's
Speaker 5: also usually like A trotskyite one that gets seven. Votes but,
Speaker 5: yeah and you, know the sort of important, thing As
Speaker 5: garret was talking, about was that this is the first
Speaker 5: time that A Reform caucus had put like straight up
Speaker 5: one of their guys in charge of a major. Union
Speaker 5: you can look at The teamsters, too but Like teamsters
Speaker 5: for A Democratic union always kind of had a tenuous
Speaker 5: relationship ish with their new president and he kind of
Speaker 5: sucks in a way That Sean fayne like, doesn't, yeah
Speaker 5: largely does.
Speaker 30: Not.
Speaker 5: Yeah he has been the most militant of the major
Speaker 5: union leaders in THE, us you, know like there was
Speaker 5: the strike a few years ago that we covered on the.
Speaker 5: SHOW i, mean and this is another example of THE oja. Weaponization.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah the job administration is going after someone who
Speaker 3: is not only securing big wins for the, union but
Speaker 3: is also involving himself in these other, elections these other
Speaker 3: social causes Like. Palestine, yeah and also has been a
Speaker 3: really outspoken voice in favor of, immigration yeah and against,
Speaker 3: yeah opression Of mike. Workers so this is absolutely in
Speaker 3: part Targeting thane because of his, yeah opposition to a
Speaker 3: lot of the things such up administration is, doing and
Speaker 3: that opposition and support of THE uw has been helping
Speaker 3: working class candidates get into office to then oppose these
Speaker 3: things In. CONGRESS i don't know how to Segue, OKAY
Speaker 3: i got. THIS i got, This, garrison don't. Worry i'm
Speaker 3: a professional.
Speaker 5: Speaking speaking of bowel movements In. Michigan oh, god let's
Speaker 5: talk explosive. Diarrhea oh. Yeah THE uiw is also. Supporting al,
Speaker 5: said you're, right you're. Right that is a good segue
Speaker 5: and speaking Of, michigan oh. God, Okay so there has
Speaker 5: been a large outbreak centered In michigan of a parasite
Speaker 5: called silaspora that appears to be spreading through something like
Speaker 5: fresh salad, greens although THE cdc is still not. Sure,
Speaker 5: yes and we'll get to we'll we'll get to more
Speaker 5: on why they're not. Sure my four year old diet
Speaker 5: continues to reign. Supreum. God SO i think it's worth noting,
Speaker 5: that you, know this is something that a lot of
Speaker 5: writers have pointed. Out there's always like small outbreaks of
Speaker 5: silospora during the. Summer so you'll see documents of you,
Speaker 5: know like cases in other states that are not in
Speaker 5: the sort of group we're going to talk about in a,
Speaker 5: Second and that's fairly. Normal that's just that's just sort
Speaker 5: of the you, know that's just sort of the disease. Cycle, However,
Speaker 5: comma there's been over two thousand cases In, michigan and
Speaker 5: that is not normal at. All, now this specific, outbreak
Speaker 5: for what we know so far from THE cdc see
Speaker 5: it seems like there is an outbreak In, Michigan, Ohio West,
Speaker 5: virginia And. Kentucky and these ones seem to actually be
Speaker 5: connected to each, other unlike the sort of disparate cases
Speaker 5: elsewhereround the, country which are just seemed to kind of
Speaker 5: right now look like a little bit higher than the
Speaker 5: normal background noise of what you would expect in a
Speaker 5: very large. Country if you're like In, michigan it's maybe
Speaker 5: worth not buying like bag, salads and if you're gonna buy,
Speaker 5: lettuce buy like a head of lettuce and like throw
Speaker 5: away the outside of. It if you're not In, michigan,
Speaker 5: like don't really worry about. This you're probably gonna be.
Speaker 5: Okay but the REASON i want to talk about this
Speaker 5: outbreak is that specifically it's been, exacerbated at least in
Speaker 5: part BY rfk juniors firing of ten thousand health and
Speaker 5: human services. Workers, now as a result of these, cuts
Speaker 5: the Food Borne Diseases Active Surveillance network went from tracking
Speaker 5: six pathogens to only tracking two and lo and. Behold,
Speaker 5: okay so this timing genuinely a. Coincidence but they cut
Speaker 5: the surveillance tracking On july, first and one of the
Speaker 5: passages they were, tracking why. Cyclospora so this is going,
Speaker 5: great and obviously this outbreak would have happened. Anyways it's
Speaker 5: not responsible to draw a direct causal link from these
Speaker 5: cuts to, oh there's this outbreak, Now but what it
Speaker 5: has done is slow the response to, it because what
Speaker 5: was one of the world's best surveillance systems has been
Speaker 5: absolutely gutted because they fired ten thousand people or, well,
Speaker 5: okay it's a combination of fired and forced out and
Speaker 5: people taking, like you, know people taking some of the
Speaker 5: packages that they've been. Offered, yeah, yeah those deferred RESIGNATION doge. Offers,
Speaker 5: yeah this is a very explosive example of. This but
Speaker 5: what's happening here is one manifestation of the slow crumbling
Speaker 5: of general state.
Speaker 4: Capacity.
Speaker 5: Right there are a lot of regulatory agencies and a
Speaker 5: lot of scientific agencies whose you, know budgets and staffs
Speaker 5: have been cut, massively and the systems that they run
Speaker 5: are well designed enough and the people who actually do
Speaker 5: them care about them enough that they tend not to collapse. Immediately,
Speaker 5: Right that's not the sort of model of state collapse
Speaker 5: that we're sort of dealing with, Here. Right it's not
Speaker 5: that everything just suddenly stopped. Working what happens is, slowly over,
Speaker 5: time things that we used to have we simply don't have,
Speaker 5: anymore you. Know along these sort of, Lines one of
Speaker 5: the other like slow acting symptoms of this sort of
Speaker 5: carving out of The american scientific state and its regulatory
Speaker 5: capacity is that weather praditions have gotten less. Accurate and
Speaker 5: the reason they've gotten less accurate is because there is
Speaker 5: a large number of weather balloons that used to be
Speaker 5: deployed every single day to collect weather information that you
Speaker 5: can't get any other, way that have been shut down
Speaker 5: because they just don't have the staff to run. Them
Speaker 5: and so this is a thing we're going to be
Speaker 5: seeing and more of over the next honestly probably the
Speaker 5: rest of our. Lives is that the pieces of the
Speaker 5: state that we're torn apart By doge and we're torn
Speaker 5: apart BY Rfk junior going, through there's just going to
Speaker 5: be things that we don't think about that suddenly get. Worse,
Speaker 5: Right and it's also worth, noting, right, like you, know
Speaker 5: something THAT i think you, can to some extent point
Speaker 5: to for this specific outbreak is that there's been damage
Speaker 5: done to food testing that dates back to like the
Speaker 5: First trump, administration, Right and when we're talking about something
Speaker 5: like food safety, standards, right or we're talking about workplace safety,
Speaker 5: standards it's important to understand that there are two kinds
Speaker 5: of regulations in this. World there are regulations that are
Speaker 5: written in the ink of, lobbyists and there are regulations
Speaker 5: that are written the blood of. Workers and the ones
Speaker 5: that are being cut right now are the ones that
Speaker 5: are written in. Blood and so you, know right now
Speaker 5: we have a story that sucks but is at least
Speaker 5: kind of silly in a bunch of explosive. Diarrhea but
Speaker 5: as the state capacity continues to, degrade it's going to
Speaker 5: get more and more. Grim, yeah as you, know basic
Speaker 5: scientific and regulatory functions that we all have just come
Speaker 5: to rely on to not eat poison every, day crumble
Speaker 5: will start the fall.
Speaker 3: Apart your point about there being two different types of,
Speaker 3: REGULATIONS i think is really important because people often just
Speaker 3: think of regulation as it's like just this singular kind
Speaker 3: of mechanism that the state can, deploy and, no, yeah it.
Speaker 5: Is it is.
Speaker 4: Not it's.
Speaker 3: There is regulations that will protect workers that are achieved by,
Speaker 3: workers and there's regulations that only serve corporate interests or
Speaker 3: make things more difficult or cumbersome for workers to go
Speaker 3: about their daily lives and enjoy the public services and
Speaker 3: like the public goods and the infrastructure that that we.
Speaker 3: Have and this is sort of like hacking away at
Speaker 3: state capacities you're talking, about which is like very obviously
Speaker 3: on display In trump's second administration through stuff like Dew it's,
Speaker 3: right this is kind of the main project of conservatism
Speaker 3: since like the seventies and.
Speaker 5: Eighties, yeah, WELL i think WHAT i would also say
Speaker 5: about that, though that there IS i think there is
Speaker 5: an important distinction between what's happening here and what's what you,
Speaker 5: know if you look at Like, reagan for, Example, yeah
Speaker 5: which is like a lot of what those states were
Speaker 5: doing was you, know an attempt to transition from the
Speaker 5: state sort of having a welfare capacity to a state
Speaker 5: just being a purely military. Entity, Right but those people
Speaker 5: also weren't doing this kind of stuff in the sense
Speaker 5: that they weren't just like shutting down the weather balloons
Speaker 5: because you, know like even Like GEORGE. W bush isn't
Speaker 5: just like shutting down every weather balloon he can, find
Speaker 5: because there used to be an understanding that there's supposed
Speaker 5: to be stay capacity in place or expanded that would
Speaker 5: help the ruling class stay in.
Speaker 4: Power.
Speaker 5: Right this is why you see like the expansion of
Speaker 5: the police through this, period this massive increase in police
Speaker 5: and military, budgets and also why you would see in
Speaker 5: a lot of cases you would see expansions of scientific.
Speaker 5: Budgets and why you, wouldn't for, example just start doing.
Speaker 5: This The reagan administration did a lot of replacing regulations
Speaker 5: written in blood with regulations written in, ink but they
Speaker 5: didn't just gut basic scientific capacity that was useful to
Speaker 5: capital in the way that's happening. Here look like another
Speaker 5: part of, this right is like it was it was
Speaker 5: strategically important to someone Like bush and someone Like reagan
Speaker 5: that THE us would maintain like a large scale scientific. Advantage,
Speaker 5: Right so if you want to do, that you don't
Speaker 5: go through and just start annihilating the grant process by
Speaker 5: which All american science is. Done, Right, sure stuff that
Speaker 5: like those people didn't do because they had a better
Speaker 5: understanding of how The american empire, works and these people
Speaker 5: are doing it because they have bought the propaganda line
Speaker 5: about what their ideology is supposed to be instead of
Speaker 5: actually executing their, ideology like you, know having the sort
Speaker 5: of scientific state capacity to like fuel the corporations that
Speaker 5: their power relies. On, yeah the contradictions of the project
Speaker 5: are more clearly manifest and something like, this whereas you,
Speaker 5: know the sort of like privatization and like the removal
Speaker 5: of like social services Under reagan still allowed you, know
Speaker 5: government funds and involvement towards things that would help like
Speaker 5: infuse the economy in some, ways you, know trickle down,
Speaker 5: way something that really did not help a lot of
Speaker 5: a lot of workers in the. Moment, well they help
Speaker 5: the economy meeting corporation make more money every, year, yes
Speaker 5: versus the sort of expansion of this privatization towards things, like,
Speaker 5: yeah we should not have the government be funding weather
Speaker 5: balloons that can be privatized instead all these things that
Speaker 5: the private sector cannot do as well as a central
Speaker 5: government body cannot do without the backing with central government
Speaker 5: body inside of. Funding is another example of. This you,
Speaker 5: know sometimes THE rfk forces or whatever will like realize
Speaker 5: that what they're doing is actually going to hurt their
Speaker 5: core driving, factor which is which is serving, capital and
Speaker 5: they will like backtrack on some, things but it follows
Speaker 5: the sort Of Silicon valley.
Speaker 3: Mindset it's like move fast and break. Things then you'll
Speaker 3: learn that maybe you broke something you shouldn't have. Broken
Speaker 3: but the consequence of that is that in the meantime
Speaker 3: you have thousands people shitting.
Speaker 5: Themselves, yeah or worse or or. Worse, yeah an, amazing
Speaker 5: amazing country that we've designed. Here it's it's going great
Speaker 5: and no bad things are going to happen and are
Speaker 5: happening now before we.
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Speaker 3: ago one one hundred and Three democrats voted to eliminate
Speaker 3: aid To. Israel ninety six voted against, this ten voted
Speaker 3: Present this is a pretty big change from what a
Speaker 3: vote like this would have been a few years. Ago
Speaker 3: this is still like a performative vote, ultimately like there's
Speaker 3: no way that this is going to. Pass, yeah but
Speaker 3: those ninety Three democrats who voted against, this that is
Speaker 3: a primary. List that is a list of targets to go.
Speaker 5: After. ANYWAY i think that's the news that we reported. Today,
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