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Speaker 2: Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let

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Speaker 3: Welcome to it could happen here, a show that is

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Speaker 3: sometimes about surveillance, digital privacy, in all the ways that

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Speaker 3: little black rectangle you keep in your pocket could be

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Speaker 3: used against you. I'm Garrison Davis. Today I am joined

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Speaker 3: by Cooper Quentin, a security researcher and senior public interest

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Speaker 3: technologist at the EFF or the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

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Speaker 4: Cooper, Hello, Hey, Garris, I'm happy to be here again.

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Speaker 5: Yes, always happy to have you on.

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Speaker 3: And you will be especially useful today because we're going

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Speaker 3: to be talking about geo fencing because last week the

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court ruled that geofencing qualifies as a search under

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Speaker 3: the Fourth Amendment. Now, before we get into what that

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Speaker 3: means and why it's important, all.

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Speaker 4: Very normal terms explicitly and understands.

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Speaker 3: Before we do that, let's start to define some of

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Speaker 3: our terms here, starting off with what is geo fencing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So the geofence warrants, which are what this case

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Speaker 6: is about, are warrants to a tech company, usually Google,

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Speaker 6: that say, give us all of the identity account ideas

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Speaker 6: that had phones in this set of geographic coordinates and

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Speaker 6: this time period. So they send that to Google. Google

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Speaker 6: sends back a list of all of the accounts they know.

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Speaker 6: I'm usually anonymized at first, but that were in that

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Speaker 6: you know, geographic square from you know, I'm a to

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Speaker 4: Is actually not something that Google does anymore.

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Speaker 6: They've recently taken steps to no longer technically be able

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Speaker 6: to respond to these warrants, which is a rare w

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Speaker 6: for Google.

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Speaker 4: But that is a geofence warrant. That's what's at the

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Speaker 4: heart of.

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Speaker 3: That, Yeah, I mean, And the goal is essentially to

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Speaker 3: identify what phones and by extension, which people were present

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Speaker 3: around the time a crime was committed to narrow down

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Speaker 3: a suspect from a very large pool of just random

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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly exactly.

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Speaker 6: So there's a couple of ways you can think about this, right,

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Speaker 6: if there was a protest and you want us to

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Speaker 6: know their identities of all the protesters, you could get

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Speaker 6: a geofence warrant for the area of that protest for

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Speaker 6: the time of the protest. Or if there was a

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Speaker 6: bank robbery which happens here, right, you get a geofence

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Speaker 6: warrant for two locations you think the bank robber might

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Speaker 6: have been in, and then you are able to narrow

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Speaker 6: it down from the you know which identities show up

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Speaker 6: in both places, right, and those that's your list of

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Speaker 3: So the reason why we're talking about this today is

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Speaker 3: because on Monday, June twenty ninth, in a six' to three,

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Speaker 3: ruling The Supreme court found that police getting access to

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Speaker 3: location data through a geofence does constitute a quote unquote

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Speaker 3: search under The Fourth. Amendment and this this finding could

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Speaker 3: have really big impacts on digital privacy. Rights the fact

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Speaker 3: that geofencing is A Fourth amendment search means that the

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Speaker 3: practice of geofencing is subject To Fourth amen restrictions and. Protections,

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Speaker 3: now there's also been some, people i, think maybe exaggerating

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Speaker 3: certain aspects of this, ruling because The court did not

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Speaker 3: rule that geofence warrants are themselves, unreasonable just like in.

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Speaker 3: General that's, Right that question is still is still going

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Speaker 3: to be determined by The Fourth. Circuit but what the

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Speaker 3: court did find here also should not be minimized or

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Speaker 3: it also is pretty. Significant to quote from the majority,

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Speaker 3: quote an individual has a reasonable expectation of privacy in

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Speaker 3: records about his self, phones, location and police intrude on

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Speaker 3: that constitutionally protected interest when they demand the, information even

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Speaker 3: though for only a limited time and from a third

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Speaker 3: party tech company. Unquote, well we'll get into some of

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Speaker 3: what that's referencing in terms of like third party tech companies.

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Speaker 3: Later as you, mentioned this case does revolve around a bank,

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Speaker 3: robbery AND i want to get into some of the

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Speaker 3: context of this because it also will help understand sort

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Speaker 3: of the ongoing case regarding the specific geofense warrant that was. Used,

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Speaker 3: so in twenty, nineteen someone made off with almost two

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Speaker 3: was seen on their phone prior to the. Robbery so

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Speaker 3: police Asked google to hand over the location data for

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Speaker 3: all cell phones or the devices in a one hundred

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Speaker 3: of that. Robbery nineteen anonymous users were first. Identified police

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Speaker 3: then narrow that down to nine users who they got

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Speaker 3: more information from From. Google they tracked their location for

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Speaker 3: a longer period of time before police then requested personally

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Speaker 3: identifying information on three, users which they then used to

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Speaker 3: arrest the. Suspect so the suspect eventually pleaded, guilty but

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Speaker 3: it was like a conditional plate because they were still

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Speaker 3: challenging the evidence that was obtained through the geofense, warrant

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Speaker 3: citing A Fourth amendment violation arguing that the warrant authorizing

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Speaker 3: the location data search was, invalid and this claim made

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Speaker 3: its way through the district, court to the appeals court

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Speaker 3: to The Supreme, Court and we'll get into that in a.

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Speaker 3: Bit you already laid out some of the details of

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Speaker 3: the specific like geofense warrant that was. Used it has

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Speaker 3: this three step. Process first this big, pool then a smaller,

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Speaker 3: pool and then personal identifying information on the smallest. Pool

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Speaker 3: one thing that is really interesting to me is that

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Speaker 3: the process for setting up this warrant was set up

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Speaker 3: with the help Of. Google they like worked together to

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Speaker 3: make this process back when this was still like an

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Speaker 3: emerging investigative avenue like, five, six seven years.

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Speaker 4: Ago, yeah that's.

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Speaker 3: Right and, also as you've, Mentioned google's location history feature

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Speaker 3: operates differently now the information that is being collected is

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Speaker 3: stored on the user's. Phone, yeah they don't have the

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Speaker 3: same type of access that they had back in twenty

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Speaker 3: nineteen in which this case.

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Speaker 4: Emerges that's.

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Speaker 6: Right they are no longer able to respond to geofense,

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Speaker 6: warrants which is. Great this does not mean they can't

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Speaker 6: respond to other types of, warrants and this doesn't mean

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Speaker 6: that other companies won't respond to offense.

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Speaker 5: Warrants, YEAH i.

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Speaker 3: Guess do you want to discuss a few of the

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Speaker 3: different ways in which location data is?

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Speaker 5: Collected, yeah.

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Speaker 6: Certainly so there's there's a couple of. Ways, LET'S i

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Speaker 6: guess sandbox this entirely just to cell phone location because

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Speaker 6: we don't want to go off on attention about licensed

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Speaker 6: plate readers or other no tracking. Mechanisms but one of

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Speaker 6: the big ways that that people have been that's kind

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Speaker 6: of been on people's minds lately is advertising location. Data

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Speaker 6: so this is like the product, weblock which is owned

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Speaker 6: contract with and several other force law enforcement agency to

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Speaker 6: buy contract. With The Citizen lab just put out a

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Speaker 6: pretty great report about.

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Speaker 4: Them but the way that they get their.

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Speaker 6: Data is through a combination of advertising APIs from. Applications,

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Speaker 6: basically so when an application on their phone wants to

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Speaker 6: show AN, ad first it sends a request to what's

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Speaker 6: called a real time bidding, database and it sends a

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Speaker 6: request with a unique idea for your phone called a

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Speaker 6: mobile AD id or, made and some information about you

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Speaker 6: which can include your. Location and then, companies any random,

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Speaker 6: sit up these real time bidding centers and just kind

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Speaker 6: that data of pairing people's mobile advertising idies whilst they're location.

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Speaker 6: Information and this is exactly what weblock. Does so what

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Speaker 6: they do is they sell this information to. Police police

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Speaker 6: can then you, know buy access to this. Information and

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Speaker 6: this is another thing that gets confused with geofencing a,

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Speaker 6: lot but it's a different type of. Geofencing they can

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Speaker 6: sort of draw a circle around a specific area and

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Speaker 6: weblock will show them all of the information they have

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Speaker 6: during a specific time.

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Speaker 4: Period and that's not a geofence.

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Speaker 6: Warrant that is a geofence search of a, database which

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Speaker 6: which is essentially the same Thing google is doing on

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Speaker 6: the back. End but there's no warrant involved in this.

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Speaker 6: Case but that's a very that's a very common method of.

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Speaker 7: Tracking the other, way the other way that they get

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Speaker 7: data is just through code that they be in certain

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Speaker 7: ad libraries that will get them that data sort of

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Speaker 7: the same way about without going through the real time bidding.

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Speaker 4: Process but it's still data being given to.

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Speaker 6: Them basically by ad libraries that they pay a bit

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Speaker 3: Whatever in a little, bit we'll discuss some of the

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Speaker 3: implications of The Supreme court's, findings specifically all like the

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Speaker 3: third party. Doctrine but do you think that there's a

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Speaker 3: possibility that the ruling in this case might be able

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Speaker 5: Collection.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Again i'm not a.

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Speaker 6: Lawyer legal strategy is quite outside my general domain of,

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Speaker 4: The big loophole that law enforcement has been.

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Speaker 6: Exploiting, wellefully we call it the data broker, loophole, Right,

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Speaker 6: yeah has been a the problem for a. While there

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Speaker 6: was a bill called The Fourth Amendment Is not For Sale.

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Speaker 6: unfortunately it was proposed By Senator Ron wyden in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 6: One that wasn't attempt to close this. Loophole but given

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Speaker 6: the wording of the of the opinion, here you, know

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Speaker 6: specifically around people's location data being very very much private,

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Speaker 6: data you, KNOW i think that there's a reasonable argument

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Speaker 6: to bring a case to The Supreme court about the sale.

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Speaker 4: Specifically of cellular location.

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Speaker 5: Data, yeah because they did rule.

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Speaker 6: That the third party doctrine which we can get into

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Speaker 6: does not apply to cellular location. Data so THAT'S i,

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Speaker 6: MEAN i think that's a pretty big point in favor

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Speaker 3: Data but, yeah it is frustrating how we have to

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Speaker 3: that's that is a sort of frustration that actually The

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Speaker 4: Voiced, yeah reformism is Rough.

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Speaker 3: Man, this like case by case app by app, approach

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Speaker 3: does not actually make very much. Sense before we get into,

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Speaker 3: that let's go back to the bank robbers initial initial

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Speaker 3: challenge based on The Fourth. Amendment so a district court

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Speaker 3: did agree that the search violent of The Fourth, amendment

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Speaker 3: but it did not actually block the data from being

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Speaker 3: permitted as, evidence because the court found that the police

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Speaker 3: officer's reliance on the data was not quote unquote objectively,

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Speaker 3: unreasonable allowing the quote good faith exemption to the exclusionary rule.

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Speaker 3: Unquote this is basically because the technology was still new

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Speaker 3: district court found that the officer's use of this was

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Speaker 3: not necessarily, unreasonable so they have this good faith, exemption

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Speaker 3: which which could become a problem later or might, not we'll.

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Speaker 5: See.

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Speaker 3: Now this was appealed to The Fourth, circuit who went

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Speaker 6: Right you're basically, searching you, know potentially hundred is potentially

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Speaker 3: Courtance, now a lot of this ruling is based on

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Speaker 6: Towers, yeah so So carvener ruled that police required them

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Speaker 6: To and the core rule that that was essentially equivalent

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Speaker 6: right which is how The Supreme court.

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Speaker 3: Court one of the most promising sentences in the ruling, is,

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Speaker 3: Yeah and like you, know a carpenter was itself based

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Speaker 3: that's the context in Which Justice keigan is writing this

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Speaker 6: Government, yeah that's, Right AND i MEAN i think that

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Speaker 6: Right that's an important sentence for the fight against liceless

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Speaker 6: The whole, issue LIKE i was, saying of you, know

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Speaker 6: me it's a very it's it's a very self apparent,

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Speaker 4: Warrant the terrible part of this is, that you, know

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Speaker 6: Probably have to argue in technology in its own rights

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Speaker 3: Well they were able to pass very Popular let's not

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Speaker 3: Anarchy, NO i mean, absolutely it would be great to

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Speaker 3: let's talk about the third party doctrine, specifically what is

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Speaker 6: Doctrine so the third party doctrine is a doctrine in

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Speaker 4: Company. Yeah, essentially this is how historically law.

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Speaker 6: The justice has said that cellular location data being the

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Speaker 3: Data, yeah, because like the third party doction was set

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Speaker 3: right like those from the specific instances that established third party,

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Speaker 6: Tower that's, right because the location information From google is

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Speaker 4: Cell towers are in the area you're, in because it's

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Speaker 3: Well AND i, mean and location history from From google

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Speaker 3: like even just the notion of digital. Privacy, quote cell

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Speaker 3: then she goes on to, write, quote the government's app

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00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 3: by app feature by future method of Granting Fourth amendment

443
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 3: protections misapprehends the very nature of modern cell phone. Use

444
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: pretty much everything a person does on a smartphone requires

445
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 3: some kind of opt. In the point of carrying cell

446
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: phones is to use what's on, them As carpenter, said

447
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 3: to use the apps and the services they. Provide that

448
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 3: is what has become a pervasive and, insistent even indispensable

449
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 3: part of daily. Life and so that is What carpenter

450
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: insulated from the third party.

451
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 5: Doctrine, yeah my.

452
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 6: Short term memory is, Terrible So i've forgotten the exact,

453
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 6: wording but the part where she's addressing how piecemeal it, is,

454
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 6: right and how like She's, yeah this applies to all,

455
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 6: Apps this applies to all uses of this location.

456
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 4: Data never shall this be subject to the third party, doctrin.

457
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 6: RIGHT i think that that is pretty damning or companies

458
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 6: that are currently selling THE stata too law ENCORES i

459
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 6: should be pretty damning.

460
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: Anyway, yeah and like the idea that through simply using these,

461
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 3: devices which are now necessary from our, life using these

462
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: does not mean that we're voluntarily giving this data over

463
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: to companies and by, extension the. Government they don't just

464
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 3: have free access to it because we are using the

465
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 3: things that are necessary for daily. Life if they want

466
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: access to, it they have to go through the proper

467
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 3: channels which are laid out in The Fourth. Amendment, yes

468
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 3: you have to get a warrant at, Least, yes and

469
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 3: so to close talk about kind of what this could

470
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 3: mean going, forward, right because the question of whether the

471
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: particular geofense weren't used in this bank robbery, case if

472
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 3: that was reasonable or, unreasonable now goes to The Fourth,

473
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 3: circuit who will determine if probable cause was established to

474
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: support the scope of the, search and if the warrant

475
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 3: satisfied the particularity. Requirements considering the fact that it cast

476
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 3: a broad dragnet over a whole area rather than being you,

477
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: know fine tuned to a specific suspect or even a

478
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 3: group of. Suspects kagan wrote of the, warrant, quote how

479
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 3: the officers would make their choices at the second and third,

480
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 3: steps how they would pick the user's subject to more intense,

481
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: Scrutiny the warrant said very, little. Unquote this is kind

482
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: of part of like the instructions in which they are

483
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 3: writing to The Fourth. Circuit, now the, suspect the bank

484
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 3: robber suspect compared the geofense warrant to a quote unquote

485
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: unconstitutional general warrant lacking and probable, cause with steps two

486
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 3: and three of the warrant leaving quote too much authority

487
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: to police officers and too little to the magistrate. Unquote

488
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 3: so what that's saying is that in this like three step,

489
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: warrant when the police are able to determine who in

490
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: the broad pool of people caught in the drag net

491
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 3: who to investigate, further that choice was just up to police.

492
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 3: Officers that question was not laid out in front of a.

493
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 3: JUDGE a judge did not authorize.

494
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 4: That aspect of the.

495
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: Search that was just up to the discretion of. Officers

496
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 3: that is part of his argument that this was a constitutional. Violation,

497
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: now of course that's not the government's, tick. Right the

498
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: government claims that the information was quote unquote particularized information

499
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: From google's, database based on probable cause to believe That

500
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: google had the information that would help solve a. Crime

501
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 3: they also argue that the discretion given to officers in

502
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 3: the execution of steps two and three of the warrant

503
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 3: fell within the bounds of. Reasonableness, so going, forward when

504
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: The Fourth circuit rules on the reasonableness or unreasonableness of this,

505
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: warrant they will also consider what The District court and

506
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 3: The Fourth circuit themselves have previously ruled on they will

507
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 3: reconsider the quote unquote good faith.

508
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 6: Exemption, yeah the good face exception is a doctrine in

509
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 6: THE us law that allows, generally evidence obtained without a

510
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 6: warrant is an admissible in. Court the good faith exception

511
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 6: allows for evidence which was obtained with a faulty warrant

512
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 6: where the law enforcement agents had reasonable constable believe that

513
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 6: it was a valid warrant and they they thought they

514
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 6: were obtaining a lot of evidence would have in good

515
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 6: faith with a valid, warrant that that evidence can still

516
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 6: be admissible in court even if the warrant is found

517
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 6: to be. Invalid so that's what they're that's what they'll

518
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 6: be evaluating in this. Case and THEN i, mean that's

519
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 6: what they've already decided, on and we'll have to decide on. Again,

520
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 6: yeah even if this warrant is invalid or even if

521
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 6: this data is, invalid because the second and third step

522
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 6: didn't have a warrant associated with, them and this still

523
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 6: be admissible in his case under good base.

524
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: Exception and The Supreme court does have like instructions for

525
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: how how they want the force circuits to reevaluate that,

526
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: question knowing that they've already ruled on it, before but

527
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: they are instructing them based, on you, know the legal

528
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 3: opinion that is outlined in the, majority that they do

529
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: have to reapproach this question with these new insights from

530
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: The Supreme. Court there, is you, know evidence that rulings

531
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 3: like this have impacted the way police operates, surveillance specifically

532
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: by collecting information from like cell. Towers you are kind

533
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: of the the expert in cell site, simulators and THERE'S

534
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: i think reason to believe that The carpenter ruling also

535
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: affected the way that cell site simulators were, used just

536
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: by it not being the particular focus of that, ruling

537
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: if you want to kind of as a very ending,

538
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: note kind of discussed the rayhunter, project and you know

539
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: how some previous rulings have like impacted the way that

540
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: that type of surveillance has kind of fallen out of.

541
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 5: Fashion, yeah for.

542
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 6: Sure SO solfi simulator is also known as stingrays or.

543
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 6: Mccatchers these are face cell towers that police set up

544
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 6: to locate a specific person's cell phone OR i should

545
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 6: say a specific cell phone which is often associated with

546
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 6: a specific person with.

547
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: A very, fine granular level of.

548
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 6: Detail at the FF i and some of my colleagues

549
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 6: have created a product called Rat hunter to get an

550
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 6: idea of how often cell side simulators were.

551
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 4: Being used in THE.

552
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 6: Us, specifically what we were concerned about was that law

553
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 6: enforcement could use a cell side simulator to spy on

554
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 6: and identify the people present At First amendment protected, Activities

555
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 6: so find out who is at a, protest find out

556
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 6: who is going to an abortion, clinic find out who

557
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 6: is showing up at a.

558
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 4: Mosque, Right so that was the big concern we, had.

559
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 6: Was that they were being used for that instead of

560
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 6: or what police said they were using them, for which

561
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 6: is man punts, basically or you, know identifying that somebody

562
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 6: is in a specific location BEFORE spat team does a

563
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 6: raid on that. House so for the last year or,

564
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 6: so we've had hundreds of people all over the country

565
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 6: bringing these devices around with them to protests and just you,

566
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 6: know as they go about their daily lives to find

567
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 6: out sort of what the lay of the land is

568
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 6: and how often these are being.

569
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 4: Used and the.

570
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 6: Reasoning for this is that we were getting the impression

571
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 6: that a lot of activists seem to have the impression

572
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 6: that cell size emulators were being used at every, protest

573
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 6: and that police were driving around with one of meds

574
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 6: in every, car, Right and there was a lot OF i,

575
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 6: think fear and uncertainty and doubt and sort of ope

576
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 6: wisdom and misinformation going.

577
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 4: Around so we wanted to be able to get some

578
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 4: real facts on the ground to clear it.

579
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 6: Up and so over the last, year what we've seen

580
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 6: is we have seen evidence of cell size stimulators.

581
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 4: Occasionally what we have not seen is a preponderance of.

582
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 4: Them from what we're, seeing they're.

583
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 6: Not being used constantly all the time, everywhere, Right they're

584
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 6: being used much more rarely than most people.

585
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 4: Think and we haven't seen really hardly any evidence of

586
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 4: them being used at.

587
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 6: Protests what we've seen is them being used kind of

588
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 6: sometimes around major. Cities we've seen them being used outside

589
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 6: THE us a, bit but inside THE, us we have

590
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 6: not seen.

591
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 4: Them being used for sort of the mass surveillance reason

592
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 4: that we've.

593
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 6: Feared that has been backed up by looking at the

594
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 6: warrants for CeAl sizing leators that we've been able to

595
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 6: get access, to been backed up by talking to people

596
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 6: who are close with law enforcement and who you know

597
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 6: who understand kind of how law enforcement is actually using.

598
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 4: These what we're hearing and what we're, seeing the sort

599
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 4: of evidence of is.

600
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 6: That cell sizingulators are being used with warrants now Because

601
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 6: lawns went by and large thinks that The carpenter ruling

602
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 6: does apply to cell size simulators because that is cell

603
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 6: site location.

604
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 5: Information it's the same type of.

605
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 6: Data it is the same exact type of, data, right

606
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 6: and so it makes sense that a warrant should apply

607
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 6: to that as. Well before when they figured a warrant

608
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 6: didn't apply to, this right BECAUSE i don't, KNOW i

609
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 6: don't know what the mental gymnastics were, there. RIGHT i

610
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 6: think it's possible that these were used a lot. More

611
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 6: but now it seems like most lawfirm agencies have from

612
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 6: the conclusion that the federal government has come to a

613
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 6: conclusion that this technology does require a warrant and that

614
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 6: it's more useful or locating a specific person than identifying

615
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 6: people in a specific. AREA i, think in addition to the,

616
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 6: warrants it makes technical sense because if you want to

617
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 6: find the people who are in a specific, area site

618
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 6: stimulator is a, expensive, cumbersome complicated tool for doing. That

619
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 6: when the alternatives are sending a geofence more.

620
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 5: To, google Asking google just to tell, me, yeah.

621
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 6: Asking google to tell you for apting the phone, company

622
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 6: or a tower, dump getting a warrant for a tower,

623
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 6: dump which is where you ask them to tell you

624
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 6: everybody that was connected to.

625
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 4: A specific, tower, yeah at a specific period of. Time

626
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 4: that is something that is not addressed by any of

627
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 4: These tower dumps are.

628
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 6: Still a thing you can get with a, warrant, Right

629
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 6: so that's that's an, Option and then of course all

630
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 6: of the other methods of non cell phone based, surveillance,

631
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 6: right face recognition is an.

632
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 4: Option license pre readers are an.

633
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 6: Option, Right, so there are so many easier ways to

634
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 6: get the identities of everybody in a specific.

635
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 4: Area it doesn't make sense to use the stimulators for.

636
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: That and that's what we're.

637
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 6: Seeing it seems like what we're being used for a

638
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 6: vast majority of things is identifying that a specific person

639
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 6: is in a specific house before a no knock rate is.

640
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 6: Executed no knock rans are highly. PROBLEMATIC i am not

641
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 6: a fan of the spat. Teams there's a lot of issues.

642
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 6: There but if they're going to, happen LIKE i, guess, yeah,

643
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 6: like let's let's make sure we're rating their right house

644
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 6: so they can be sure of which dogs they're killing before.

645
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 3: They, YEAH i, mean swatting has become a huge harassment

646
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 3: tool for people just to deploy against someone that they

647
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: don't like or an influencer that they find.

648
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 5: Annoying and that is a real issue as.

649
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 6: Well solifinny thing leaders are not the biggest issue, there,

650
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 6: right the, yeah existence of swat teams and how liberally

651
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 6: they're used is the much bigger.

652
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: ISSUE i.

653
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: Think so based on How carpenter seemingly affected the police's

654
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 3: reticence to use cell site, SIMULATORS i, think like we've,

655
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: discussed there's hope that this new ruling might also be

656
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: able to be applied to some other surveillance methods that

657
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 3: that will only really become clear over. Time there's there's

658
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: one particular That i'm also interested, in is like keyword,

659
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: warrants where police will just ask a tech company to

660
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: like get information on all users who typed a specific

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Speaker 1: Here my name Is dan Al kurd And i'm a

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Speaker 1: researcher and analyst Of arab And palstin in. Politics TODAY

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Speaker 1: i want to talk about, football, soccer, whatever And i'll

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Speaker 1: just start by, saying, OBVIOUSLY fifa is a, terrible terrible

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Speaker 1: organization and while there are many heartwarming events in This World,

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Speaker 1: cup The World cup gets, me gets a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Us despite, everything there have also been egregious incidents against

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Speaker 1: players and referees and fans from the Global. South take for,

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Speaker 1: example what happened to The somali referee who wasn't allowed

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Speaker 1: to come into THE us to do his. Job he

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Speaker 1: was kept hours and hours in the airport before being

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Speaker 1: unceremoniously returned To. Somalia, similarly the head of The Palestine

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Speaker 1: Football association was denied a visa in to The United,

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Speaker 1: states not allowed to come to The World cup ON us.

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Speaker 1: Soil this is in spite of the fact THAT fifa

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Speaker 1: invited association heads from around the world to, attend and

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Speaker 1: he did attend the opening game In Mexico. City or

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Speaker 1: one of the worst, incidents if you can call it,

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Speaker 1: that the way that The iranian team has been. Treated

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Speaker 1: they weren't allowed to stay in THE us despite the

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Speaker 1: games they were playing in this, country were constantly made

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Speaker 1: to fly back To mexico after every. Game clearly they

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Speaker 1: were put at a severe disadvantage because they weren't allowed

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Speaker 1: to rest and recuperate like the other. Teams and, Listen

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Speaker 1: i'm not going to say it as a, conspiracy but

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Speaker 1: having not won but three goals discounted by var eventually

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Speaker 1: leading to their elimination from the, tournament just adds insult to.

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Speaker 1: Injury but LIKE i, said of, course there are many heartwarming.

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Speaker 1: Stories for me as A, palestinian it's been great to

748
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Speaker 1: see how Much palestine keeps popping. Up despite the fact

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Speaker 1: that the environment in The United states is much more

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Speaker 1: hostile on this issue than the Last World, cup people

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Speaker 1: are still talking About palestine and advocating For. Palestine thousands

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Speaker 1: Of bosnian, supporters for, example Turned toronto into a sea

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Speaker 1: of blue as they marched towards the stadium for The canada,

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Speaker 1: match Chanting Free, palestine and they did that in a

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Speaker 1: number of Places, Englewood. Seattle they also Chanted palestine within

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Speaker 1: the stadiums in multiple. Games at That canada, game activists

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Speaker 1: also on fold a Kick israel out OF fifa banner

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Speaker 1: and it makes sense really when you understand the experience

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Speaker 1: Of bosnians with genocide themselves not too long. Ago, Similarly

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Speaker 1: moroccan fans Held palestinian flags or Wore morocco jerseys with

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Speaker 1: the Word palestine on, it and this showed up ON.

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Speaker 1: Tv at the very opening match In Mexico, city Pro

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Speaker 1: palestine demonstrators gathered to form a giant Human palestinian, flag

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Speaker 1: And South korean fans Brought palestinian flags to the, tournament

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Speaker 1: honoring a promise they made during their qualifying when their

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Speaker 1: fans had, chanted will Take palestine to The World cup

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Speaker 1: with us In. Gaza palestinians are watching the games. Too

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Speaker 1: spain is the favorite team these days because of the

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Speaker 1: government's position on The Israel palestinian conflict and because of

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Speaker 1: superstar Player Lamg, jamal who has been unapologetically Pro. Palestine,

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Speaker 1: obviously the genocide that has unfolded and go and the

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Speaker 1: war in killing that continues in The Middle east in

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Speaker 1: both occupy territories and In lebanon are part of the

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Speaker 1: reason why this issue seems to be ever. Present but

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Speaker 1: it didn't start with the. Genocide the story Of palestine

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Speaker 1: at The World cup is more layer than, that and

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty Two World cup In kutar was a

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Speaker 1: good demonstration of Why palestine keeps popping up and What

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Speaker 1: NOW i know it might seem strange to be talking

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Speaker 1: about this now a few years after the, fact But

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Speaker 1: i've been thinking about it a, lot especially given everything

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Speaker 1: that has unfolded, since AND i think The World cup

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Speaker 1: moment is one of those events that gets more, interesting not,

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Speaker 1: less as time passes back then as it does. Now

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Speaker 1: it's showing us something, important not just About, palestine but

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Speaker 1: about the limits of what governments can actually control when

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Speaker 1: it comes to what their own people. Believe so let's

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Speaker 1: nowhere Near doha in an official, capacity and yet arabs

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Speaker 1: was everywhere at the twenty twenty Two World. Cup there

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Speaker 1: Were palestinian flags draped over shoulders and. Stadiums crowds erupted

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Speaker 1: won One tunisian fan ran onto the pitch mid match

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Speaker 1: for The palestinian, flag and When morocco pulled off their

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Speaker 1: historic upset Against spain so it's the First african And

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Speaker 1: arab team to ever reach the semi finals of A World,

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Speaker 1: Cup moroccan players ran to the crowd and held up

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Speaker 1: The palestinian.

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Speaker 1: Significant morocco had just signed The Abraham accords With israel

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Speaker 1: only two years prior to this, game and their players

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Speaker 1: didn't seem to. Care israeli journalists who traveled To kata

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Speaker 1: in some cases physically shut out of interviews by crowds

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Speaker 1: Of arab. Fans some of these reporters were caught on

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Speaker 1: camera claiming to be from other countries Like france Or

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Speaker 1: the least. Attention months before The World cup, began A

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Speaker 1: people a post normalization With. Israel this, Organization Quartari youth

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Speaker 1: Work they Persuaded kato's national team captain to wear A

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Speaker 1: Now air public opinion surveys have consistently shown that the

875
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: vast majority Of arabs oppose normalization With israel absent a

876
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: resolution to the question Of palestinian statehood and the ongoing,

877
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: occupation and in the most recent polling before the, accords

878
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: it was something like eighty eight percent Of arabs across

879
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: thirteen countries that rejected normalization With, israel and nearly two

880
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: thirds of those cited the occupation Of pasadian land as their.

881
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: Reason only seven percent cited something like religious. Objections the

882
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: fear had always been that if you normalize relations With

883
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: israel without a resolution to The Israeli palasadian, Conflict israel

884
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: would not have any reason to try and resolve the

885
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: conflict or address the grievances Of, palestinians That israel perhaps

886
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: would become more aggressive if the guardrails were. Off so

887
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: what The Abrahamic cords actually. Did from the perspective of Ordinary,

888
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: arabs was deep in the sense that their governments wouldn't

889
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: listen to, them were willing to sell them, out sell

890
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: out The palestinians for economic and security arrangements that disproportionately

891
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: benefited ruling classes, anyway and THE us is really security.

892
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: Architecture i've written about this, academically and WHAT i found

893
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: is a kind of paradox at the heart of these

894
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: so called peace. Deals peace initiatives that don't address the

895
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: root causes of conflict don't actually create. Peace they create

896
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: a different kind of, violence a structural, violence because they

897
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: maintain the root causes of, conflict and they enable authoritarian

898
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: practices by. Governments So israel shares a lot of tools, surveillance,

899
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 1: technology propaganda, framework security, cooperation both material and discursive, tools

900
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: and these have a way of turning up in the

901
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: hands of governments for pressing their own. Citizens Now i'm

902
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: not saying The United Arab emirates Or bahrain needed encouragement

903
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: to repress their own, citizens but it's just another added,

904
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: layer another way that the red lines, shift and new

905
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: ways that these governments can attack their own citizens and

906
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: their own. Activists for, example and about the activists involved

907
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 1: in anti normalization. Activities after the accords became targets of surveillance,

908
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: operations and people who spoke out about the deals faced travel.

909
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: Bins In, bahrain civil society organizations were newly. Restricted the

910
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: quote unquote peace came with the repressive apparatus baked, in

911
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: which is exactly why when thousands Of arabs gathered and

912
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: has public squares to watch The World. Cup the energy

913
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: Around palestine wasn't some just like emotional, sentiment and it

914
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: wasn't a. Relic it was. Fresh it was the anger

915
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: of people who had just watched their governments make deals

916
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: they never asked, for and deals that were used to

917
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: oppress them and not solve the postaining. Issue there is

918
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 1: a concept that academics and activists have used called sports.

919
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: Normalization the idea is that, sports because they're presented as

920
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: a political or maybe as, entertainment as a space above,

921
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: politics they can be it used as a soft avenue

922
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: for normalizing relationships that would be otherwise politically. Controversial israel

923
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: has long pursued the. Strategy the logic, is If israel

924
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: And arab athletes compete, together then this image of coexistence

925
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: replaces the political reality of. Occupation you don't need any

926
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: kind of solution or diplomatic. Agreement you just need enough

927
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: footage of An israelian moroc and shaking hands on the

928
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: pitch to make people feel like things are moving in

929
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 1: a good. Direction got the youth were very explicit about targeting.

930
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: This they hosted panels on sports. Normalization they released a

931
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: statement pointing out That western political boycotts Of russia extended

932
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: to sporting events after the invasion Of, ukraine and nobody

933
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: then complained that sports were being mixed up with, politics

934
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: and to, them the inconsistency was. Glaring that mixing sports

935
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: with politics was apparently fine when it was about Sanctioning,

936
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: russia admittedly very, appropriately but somehow inappropriate when it came

937
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: To palestinian, rights and this double. Standard i've encountered it

938
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: constantly in my, work the insistence that The pastadian cause

939
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: is uniquely, problematic uniquely in need of being kept out

940
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: of polite conversation or. Unreasonable this insistence falls apart the

941
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: moment you compare it to any other conflict where The

942
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: west has chosen a. Side, now The World cup made

943
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: that visible in real time when The palasinian flag showed

944
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: up in a stadium In. Doha it wasn't just a

945
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: symbol of. Solidarity it was an. Argument it, said this

946
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: issue is not. Resolved we have not moved. On it

947
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what The abraham records said or how many

948
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: photo ops it's going to make any of this go.

949
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 4: Away.

950
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: NOW i want to dwell for a minute On, morocco full.

951
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: Disclosure that's the TEAM i. SUPPORT i hope they go

952
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: as far as. Possible But morocco is an interesting case

953
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: AND i think it illuminates something about the limits of

954
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: top down. Normalization LIKE i, said The moroccan government signed

955
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: The Abraham, accords and the deal actually INCLUDED us recognition

956
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: Of moroccan sovereignty Over Western, sahara Which morocco has long

957
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: occupied itself a case of a people's right to self

958
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: determination being traded away in this diplomatic agreement. Situation so

959
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: it was a completely cynical arrangement all. Around and yet

960
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: When morocco Beats spain and reached the semi, finals their

961
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: players held up The palestinian. Flag When morocco Beat portugal

962
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: and the streets of robot And casablanca, erupted The palstinian

963
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: flag was there, too and fans In doha who had

964
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: traveled from Across North africa and The Middle east were

965
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: Wearing Palstenian kafia's chanting For. Palestine, now The moroccan government's

966
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: deal With israel did not transfer to The moroccan. People

967
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: and this is the key insight from The World, cup

968
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: the one THAT i keep coming back to that governments

969
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: can sign, papers but they can't really sign on behalf

970
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: of public. Sentiment and these countries are not, democratic so

971
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: any kind of push to do something like this seems

972
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: like a betrayal to their own, citizens and they can't

973
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: normalize what has not been normalized in the hearts and minds.

974
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 4: Of their own.

975
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: Citizens there is a kind of arrogance in The Abraham recurts.

976
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: Framework the assumption is that if you get the right,

977
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: signatures if you get the right photo op on The

978
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: White house, lawn that the conflict can be ignored at

979
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: that The palstinian cause can. Recede but The World cup

980
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: was a direct refutation of that. Assumption Now i've been

981
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: thinking about all of this in the context of everything

982
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: that has happened since the side In, gaza the daily,

983
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: images the death, tolls the wholesale destruction Of gazan, society

984
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: and the ongoing question of what normalization means now and

985
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: whether any of Those abraham courts frameworks can survive what

986
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: the world has watched happen. NOW i do think it will.

987
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: Survive these governments do not care about what happened In.

988
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: Gaza but what it shows is that the fears around

989
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: The abraham recurts were completely. Founded ignoring The israeli pacinating

990
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: conflict would lead to an escalation in the. VIOLENCE i

991
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: think The World's cup moment was a preview back in

992
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Two it told us something about where Popular

993
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: arab opinion actually, was not where governments claimed it, was

994
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: and not Where western media assumed it, was but where

995
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: it actually. Was and it showed us that organized strategic

996
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: activism can channel that sentiment that something visible and politically

997
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: costly for the forces of normalization. Now Kotar youth post

998
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: A normalization was a small, group and they were operating

999
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: under real restrictions in a country that doesn't allow independent civil,

1000
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: society and they still managed to turn a global sporting

1001
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: event into one of the most visible expressions Of pastenian

1002
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: solidarity in. Years and that matters not because a football,

1003
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: tournament a soccer, tournament is going to solve.

1004
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 4: Anything it.

1005
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: Doesn't palestinian families don't get their homes back because people

1006
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: flew a flag in a, Stadium but movements build over

1007
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: time and through moments of, visibility through the accumulation of,

1008
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: pressure and through the refusal to let the issue, disappear

1009
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: into a manufactured consensus that was never real to begin.

1010
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: With and today in twenty twenty, six this is not

1011
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: specific To air. Republics Even western publics have seen their

1012
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: governments ignore, genocide have seen their rights recede as their

1013
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: government's ally to protect genocide in a variety of. Ways

1014
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: Now i'll end with something a little more. Personal WHEN

1015
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: i watched Those World croup crowds back in twenty twenty,

1016
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: two WHEN i saw all these Different, Arabs moroccans And

1017
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: tunisians And, saudis people from countries that have varying in

1018
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,959
Speaker 1: complicated relationships with this, issue all waiving The palestinian, FLAG

1019
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: i felt a kind of. Hope and it's not. Naive

1020
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: it's not the hope that this will be resolved soon or,

1021
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: easily but the hope that's Says palestinians are not, alone

1022
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: and the cause is not. Forgotten and the silence that

1023
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: has been imposed on this, question attempted silence top down

1024
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: for so, long is not the consent it pretends to.

1025
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: Be governments can sign a, chords but they can erase

1026
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: what people, know and they cannot sign away what people.

1027
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: Feel when they watch a team lose and a flag

1028
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: goes up in a stadium and thousands of people start.

1029
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: Chanting palestine keeps showing up uninvited at every table that

1030
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: tries to exclude, it AND i think it will keep doing.

1031
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: That thank you so much for listening To it Could Happen.

1032
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: Here I'm Dan, Algirt.

1033
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 5: Welcome To It Could Happen? Here a podcast about firing

1034
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,080
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1036
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 5: cumbersome intro from your host To Mio. Loong but with

1037
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 5: me today to talk about how to do such a

1038
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 5: thing Is Reisa, Freiheit tabby And daniel from THE iww

1039
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 5: who are part of a tour talking about just. That

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Speaker 5: thank you for having. Us, Yeah i'm so excited me as,

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Speaker 5: WELL i.

1043
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Speaker 10: Mean i'm excited for every TIME i do something like

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Speaker 5: BE i, mean, yeah that is kind of you, know

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1048
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1049
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Speaker 4: I do a better? TRANSITION i don't?

1050
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 5: Know you have to ask my? Doctor, okay never, mind

1051
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 5: we're leaving. It the part about how to do a better.

1052
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 5: Transition we're leaving. It you'd have to ask my.

1053
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 4: DOCTOR i like.

1054
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Speaker 5: This this is great speaking of a union that has

1055
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 5: a unbelievable number of trans people in it these. Days.

1056
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 5: Yeah so we have on the show talked a little

1057
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 5: bit about the industrial workers of the. World we have

1058
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 5: had SOME iww unions on the. Show but, yeah today

1059
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 5: we're also going to be talking about sort of the

1060
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 5: history of the union and something cool that the union is.

1061
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 5: Doing SO i guess to start, off can you three

1062
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Speaker 5: give a kind of brief introduction to, like you, know

1063
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 5: like the one sentence like what is this? Thing and

1064
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 5: then what is this tour that you're?

1065
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 6: Doing?

1066
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 9: Yeah so this tour is The Decentralized tour there's not

1067
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 9: like a small number of like experts so to, speak

1068
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 9: we're touring in the country giving a speech or talking about.

1069
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,400
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1070
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Speaker 9: participating is planning and organizing its own. Event but we're

1071
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Speaker 9: coordinating on a national level and trying to promote this

1072
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Speaker 9: very broadly to the public because THE iww hasn't done

1073
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1074
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Speaker 9: this and quite some, time and so we feel like

1075
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 9: the moment is calling for something like.

1076
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 5: This, yeah and SO i guess we can now, ask,

1077
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 5: okay like what actually is THE, Iww and how do

1078
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 5: we explain to people that it is in fact called

1079
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Speaker 5: The Industrial workers of The, world not The International workers

1080
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 5: of The. World and also that it is not just

1081
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 5: a union of people who work in heavy.

1082
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 11: Industry, well we're The Industrial workers of The world because

1083
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 11: we organize. Industrially we want to organize all the workers

1084
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Speaker 11: in each industry and not by their.

1085
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 5: Trade, yeah.

1086
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 10: Exactly so an EXAMPLE i always, use you, know since

1087
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 10: I'VE i mean so much student, dad what happens when

1088
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 10: you're getting your masters and you're doctorate is say there's

1089
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 10: a school university instead of what traditional unions, do which,

1090
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 10: is you, know you have the teachers, union and then

1091
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 10: like the janitors, union and you know the thas union

1092
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 10: and all these separate union is like a cafeteria worker,

1093
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 10: union et. Cetera you just have one big. Union that's

1094
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 10: one of the things THE iww is. Code you just

1095
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 10: have one union across all these. Things so everyone from

1096
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 10: the teachers to the thas to the janitors to everyone

1097
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 10: in between is in the same, union in the same bargaining.

1098
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 5: Unit and we don't just stop at one.

1099
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 11: Industry the goal of THE iww is to organize all industries.

1100
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 11: Industrially capital is organized this, way and workers really ought

1101
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 11: to do the same.

1102
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 10: Exactly we have everyone from sex workers to, actresses to

1103
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 10: carpenters to especially back in the, day a lot of,

1104
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 10: miners you, know everyone you can think. Of as long

1105
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 10: as you don't have hiring or firing power and aren't

1106
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 10: a copper active duty, military you can join THE. Iww,

1107
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 10: Yeah and that's.

1108
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 5: Something THAT i THINK i think we've got to on

1109
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 5: this show a little, bit which is, that LIKE i,

1110
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 5: mean obviously it depends a lot on where you, are

1111
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 5: but like a lot of the organizing THE iww does

1112
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 5: is with service workers and service workers and shops that

1113
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 5: every other union looks at and, goes, well you're not

1114
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 5: worth organizing because we can't get enough. Money you'r members

1115
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 5: out of. It and that's SOMETHING i don't, KNOW i

1116
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 5: think is really valuable in this moment where, yeah like

1117
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 5: unbelievable numbers of people are doing service. Work that's like

1118
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 5: What that's what the economy is built. On if you're

1119
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 5: committed from the start to organizing all sectors and all

1120
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 5: workers and all, industries you don't end up in a

1121
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 5: place where you just right, off you, know like entire

1122
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 5: sectors of the economy that are a lot of times

1123
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 5: the people who most desperately need to.

1124
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 9: Organize, Yeah and that's like exactly why THE iww was

1125
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 9: born in the first, place was because the trade unions

1126
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 9: back in the nineteen hundreds were ignoring all of the unskilled,

1127
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 9: workers so to, speak like the miners and like the dock.

1128
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 9: Workers but THE iww all the way back nineteen oh

1129
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 9: five was, saying what is still saying today is that

1130
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 9: all workers need a. Union And i'm a, Bartender i'm a.

1131
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 9: Server i've been one since i was sixteen years, old

1132
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 9: my whole working, life And my experience as just a

1133
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 9: working class person has drawn me to THE. Iww it's, Philosophy,

1134
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 9: yeah because no other union really cares about, us but

1135
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 9: thew is. There and like you, said like that's what

1136
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 9: most workers in this or not, most but a large

1137
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 9: chunk of workers in this country are service. Workers it

1138
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 9: makes up like a third of the.

1139
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 11: Economy, yeah and, moreover the industrial workers of the world

1140
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 11: teach us the tools to make change in our.

1141
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 4: Workplace.

1142
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 11: Right other unions are something of a service, model, right

1143
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 11: they themselves become a service for their clients who are the.

1144
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 11: Workers but what THE iww teaches is that it's on, us,

1145
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 11: right we need to make the change in our. Workplace

1146
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 11: we have to analyze the, conditions really understand the imbalance

1147
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 11: of power that.

1148
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 4: The bosses have over us as wage, workers and change.

1149
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 11: Them and that means talking to our, colleagues, learning, analyzing

1150
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 11: and then taking, action direct action to make the.

1151
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 4: Changes that we.

1152
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 11: Want because only, us we're the ones who know what's

1153
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 11: best for our, workplace what's best for our, industry, right

1154
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 11: and we're in a position to make that change when

1155
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 11: we organize horizontally in that.

1156
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 4: Way.

1157
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 10: Yeah the thing THAT i really love about THE iww

1158
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 10: is that it's a very good teacher in many. Ways you,

1159
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 10: know so many, people you, know aren't fortunate to have

1160
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 10: the incredible amount of education THAT i have in you,

1161
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 10: know really being able to study the material conditions of,

1162
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 10: capitalism of really kind of getting at the center, of you,

1163
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 10: know how change is. Made AND i find that with

1164
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 10: THE iww in the way we, organize no classroom in

1165
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 10: the world can teach, you as well as your own,

1166
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 10: experience that the way to revolutions not electing some. Politician

1167
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 10: the way to the revolution isn't handing your power to

1168
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 10: some union. Bureaucrat the way to the, revolution to, socialism to,

1169
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 10: communism to industrial, democracy to the abolition of the wage

1170
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 10: system is direct. Action is doing it. Yourself is shop floor.

1171
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 10: Organizing and when workers realize that they have power over

1172
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 10: their own lives and destinies at, work they realize that

1173
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 10: they have power over all of. Society once we come

1174
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 10: together and decide upon, something there is no employer who

1175
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 10: can stop.

1176
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 8: Us you.

1177
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 5: Know Big Bill, haywood who's a very very FAMOUS oldww,

1178
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 5: member has this line where he, Goes i've never read,

1179
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 5: capital BUT i have its stars on my. Back many

1180
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 5: memes have been made of. That, yeah and it's it's

1181
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 5: something THAT i don't, know like SOMETHING i do appreciate

1182
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 5: kind of About like my experience with the union has been,

1183
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 5: that like it's a place where you, know the theoretical

1184
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 5: stuff that you're doing right is stuff that's drawn from

1185
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 5: just the immediacy of, Like, okay we have to get

1186
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 5: a bunch of people to show up to a meeting

1187
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 5: so that you, know we can do this. Union we

1188
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 5: have to like talk to people and we have to

1189
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 5: like get people organized to be able to do direct.

1190
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,479
Speaker 5: Actions we have to be able to like get people

1191
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 5: to show up in this place and like do all

1192
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 5: of the sort of like you, know just the like

1193
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,919
Speaker 5: the the nitty pretty technical work of like fighting a class.

1194
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 5: Struggle but it's this place where, like, yeah you actually

1195
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 5: get theory that's drawn from action and is sort of

1196
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 5: unified with it because you just you have to do it,

1197
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 5: right like you have to get anyone to do the thing,

1198
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 5: constantly and there's no one else who can do it for.

1199
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 5: You there's just you and your fellow. Workers and it's,

1200
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 5: yeah it's you and your fellow workers and you're fighting

1201
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 5: against the, boss and it it rocks and Then once

1202
01:04:58,600 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 5: you feel, it you're.

1203
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 11: Hooked, yeah, right once you really get to experience that

1204
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 11: that sort of, camaraderie that closeness you actually get with

1205
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 11: your co, workers when you know your comrades and, struggle

1206
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 11: you're working together towards. Something it's way bigger than any, department,

1207
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 11: right or institution or. Anything it's a matter of creating

1208
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 11: the world that we want for, ourselves the world that

1209
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 11: like we are entitled as workers as a creator of

1210
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 11: all this wealth and all of these great things that

1211
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 11: that humans are capable.

1212
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 4: Of, like that's that's what The wobblies are all, about

1213
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 4: in my humble, opinion.

1214
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 9: Just kind of just bringing up for, me like one

1215
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 9: of the most remarkable things about THE Iww, historically like

1216
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 9: in it's, heyday it had nearly half percent of all

1217
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 9: workers in this country within its, ranks and like The

1218
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 9: wobbley philosophy like spread like wildfire across the, country and

1219
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 9: it was just spread by regular rank file workers who

1220
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 9: were empowered.

1221
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 4: And believed in.

1222
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 9: Something, yeah and you, know it's it's sad to say,

1223
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 9: that like today a lot of workers don't even know

1224
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 9: what THE iww, is what it. Means it's like what

1225
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 9: it's done so like that is part of the reason

1226
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 9: why we're doing the firebus words to like actually become

1227
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 9: a phenomenon again and to have people recognize us and, like,

1228
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 9: no the wildly way of.

1229
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 10: Organizing you, know, YEAH i cannot tell you the amount

1230
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 10: of times you, Know I've i've been talking with you,

1231
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,919
Speaker 10: know other union organizers and they, said, wait THE iww still.

1232
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 5: Exists, yeah that's the thing happens a, lot or even.

1233
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 10: Worse they don't know about it at. All and, again

1234
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 10: as a historian of our union and somewhat long time

1235
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 10: Member i've been a member since twenty, nineteen it really

1236
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 10: pisses me. Off pissed me off to the degree that last,

1237
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 10: year for one hundred and twentieth, ANNIVERSARY i produce and

1238
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 10: performed in a wabversary live. Stream we had people from

1239
01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 10: four different countries and multiple different branches just call into

1240
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 10: the show shout out the caveat In New York city

1241
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 10: they hosted. Us and that kind of just really feeds

1242
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 10: into why we're doing Fire Your, boss BECAUSE i know

1243
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 10: all of us want THE iww to be like known

1244
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 10: and you, know not just as a union that THE

1245
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 10: us government, killed which by the, way they failed to,

1246
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 10: do but as a vibrant force that is an alternative

1247
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 10: do not only you, know wage, slavery but unions as

1248
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 10: a service and you, know not unions as you and

1249
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 10: your coworkers and your.

1250
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 5: Comrades, yeah and that's SOMETHING i think comes up a

1251
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 5: lot in, organizing which is like a lot of the

1252
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 5: history of what the union is not just sort of

1253
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 5: the history of LIKE i guess what you would call

1254
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 5: like The heyday in the nineteen hundreds and like you

1255
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 5: know through that's like the nineteen, twenties but like the

1256
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 5: modern history of the union has just been suppressed or.

1257
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 5: DISAPPEARED i think people now are kind of getting an understanding, that,

1258
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 5: like there was A starbucks union before the Current starbucks

1259
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 5: union that like aaw. ORGANIZED i think people tend to

1260
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 5: think of it as like it was like some shops

1261
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 5: In New, york and it's, like, no, no it. Wasn't

1262
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 5: it was all over the. Country there was a whole

1263
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 5: bunch of shit that they. Did there were enormous numbers

1264
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 5: of workers, involved and it's a thing that like it's

1265
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 5: both from from a historical perspective but also from the

1266
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 5: perspective of like just generationally we tend to lose like

1267
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 5: movement knowledge as as each generation comes down because a

1268
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 5: lot of the stuff just isn't passed.

1269
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 10: On no one knows The internationale, anymore, Lame no one

1270
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 10: knows The internationale.

1271
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 5: Anymore, yeah but it's not even just. That it's like

1272
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 5: there's stuff that like happened in our lifetime that like

1273
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 5: people you probably have met were involved with that like

1274
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 5: is just. Gone like the EXAMPLE i always talked about

1275
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 5: on this show And i'm gonna keep talking about until

1276
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 5: every single person in the left was about it was

1277
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 5: The Wahaka. Uprising we're like, yeah like also Like wobbli's

1278
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 5: like went through this and we're in. It but it's, like,

1279
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 5: yeah like people In mexico like took a Major North

1280
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 5: american city and held it longer than The Paris commune.

1281
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 5: Did and this was in two thousand and. Six LIKE

1282
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 5: i guess maybe there are some of you, now horrifyingly

1283
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 5: who weren't alive for. That but, like nice way to

1284
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 5: make me feel. OLD i. Know it's a Namer the

1285
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 5: history and possibility of, STRUGGLE i think like just gets

1286
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 5: lost in ways where people suddenly don't realize that like, yeah,

1287
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 5: no like in in your, lifetimes people formed giant assemblies

1288
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 5: and took control of like a Major North american city

1289
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 5: and held it for. Months like that's the thing that

1290
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 5: we all lived.

1291
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 11: Through it's a long, memory, RIGHT i, mean it's a

1292
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 11: powerful weapon that we have when we actually remember these. Things,

1293
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 11: yeah when we really learned from them and we realized that's,

1294
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 11: ourselves that is our, history that is a people's, history.

1295
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 5: Right we are learning somebody else's.

1296
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 11: History were living right in the world of the ruling, class,

1297
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 11: right and we just need to realize that we're in

1298
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 11: the position to change. It we're the ones who do,

1299
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 11: it who make the history and really create the world

1300
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 11: we want in the shell in all of, this like you,

1301
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 11: know buckering that's going on around the, world it's on.

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01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 5: Us While i'm talking About mexico to talk about a

1303
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 5: very different part Of, MEXICO i do you want to

1304
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 5: mention like maybe MY i don't know if it's like.

1305
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 5: Heir like one of the pieces Of wobbley like history

1306
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 5: THAT i really like THAT i think never gets talked

1307
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 5: about is the fact, that in a similar way that

1308
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 5: like what happens, today there's there's a lot of connections

1309
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 5: between workers in like workers In, california workers In mexico

1310
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 5: and there's a bunch of people moving back and forth

1311
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 5: across the. Border there's workers moving, around and there was

1312
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 5: a whole bunch Of Mexican wobbleys of various, kinds and

1313
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 5: a whole bunch Of wobbley's like went over and fought

1314
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 5: in The Mexican revolution because it was it was the

1315
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 5: thing to.

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01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 12: Do.

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01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:57,520
Speaker 10: Yeah the collaboration was to the point that multiple locals

1318
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 10: in various states In mexico and Also california And, arizona

1319
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 10: they were literally like, merged so it was literally like

1320
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 10: the same local across you, know national.

1321
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 5: Borders, yeah and If i'm remembering, correctly like THE iww

1322
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 5: like took a Few mexican cities like in the north

1323
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 5: because they were the people who were just doing the uprising.

1324
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 10: There, yeah put them and their allies in The parti

1325
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 10: De Liberal, mexicano which do not be confused by the,

1326
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,839
Speaker 10: name was an anarchist. Group that is the whole history

1327
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 10: in and of itself.

1328
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 5: One of the all time funniest Things i've ever seen

1329
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 5: of just, yeah we named ourselves A Liberal party Of,

1330
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 5: mexico but were. Anarchists but just incredible stuff going on

1331
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 5: in the nineteen.

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01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 10: Hundreds it was a very different.

1333
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 5: Time, yeah speaking of very different. Times, yeah do you

1334
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 5: want to talk more about sort of what is going

1335
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 5: to be involved in this tour AND i guess also

1336
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 5: like how people can get involved with, it learn and

1337
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 5: hopefully like start organizing and fighting in their.

1338
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 4: Workplaces.

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01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 9: Yeah so the rough curriculum or agenda for the tour

1340
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 9: has like four or five primary like. Sections but LIKE

1341
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 9: i said at the beginning of this, conversation like it's

1342
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 9: a decentralized, Tour so each branch is going to do

1343
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 9: it a little bit, differently but roughly it's going to

1344
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 9: be first like, people we're going to try to like

1345
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 9: talk with people who, attend like see what people's current

1346
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 9: conception of a union. Is just like kind of talk

1347
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 9: about unions broadly and how people perceive, them and then

1348
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 9: transition into talking about the IWW's way to do unions

1349
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 9: and solidarity, unionism which doesn't necessarily rely on recognition from

1350
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 9: the state or, Capital like we recognize ourselves as the,

1351
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 9: union you, know we take direct. Action we're very, democratic very,

1352
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 9: caring you, know talking about, yeah the IWW's way to

1353
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 9: do unionism and, industrially like how do you do industrial,

1354
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 9: unions and then and moving into how unions can be

1355
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 9: a revolutionary force and how like we're facing all these

1356
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 9: things we're up, against like THESE fbi rates and multiple

1357
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 9: like cities and states across the. COUNTRY ice is like

1358
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:18,440
Speaker 9: literally murdering people in the. Streets we've like got genocides

1359
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 9: going on all over the. Place and by taking back

1360
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 9: control of our labor and shutting shit, down we can

1361
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 9: be a revolutionary. Force AND i feel like a lot

1362
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 9: of people have kind of forgotten about the live movement

1363
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 9: and so to, speak because of how shitty like these

1364
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 9: trade unions can be sometimes and how, bureaucratic and so you,

1365
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 9: know we should remember that these are really powerful like

1366
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 9: things to be. Doing and then we'll wrap it up

1367
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,799
Speaker 9: with just talking about like next steps and. Things hopefully

1368
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,679
Speaker 9: get people out to organizer, trainings just get people connected

1369
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 9: to their local, branches make connections with people who are

1370
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 9: like thinking about the same things about building militant rank

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01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 9: and file unions and.

1372
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,839
Speaker 5: Stuff, yeah, yeah talk a little bit about the organizer,

1373
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 5: trainings BECAUSE i think that's a really really cool thing

1374
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 5: with THAT aw does that people don't really know about it. All.

1375
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:12,640
Speaker 9: YEAH i really love the IWW's organizer. Training we have

1376
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 9: AN ot one on one organizer training one on one

1377
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 9: Called building The, committee and it's a two day training

1378
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 9: kind of like a big crash course into how to

1379
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 9: build a union from, scratch like within your, workplace how

1380
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 9: to start gathering, contacts how to start having like those

1381
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 9: initial conversations with worker your fellow, workers and how to

1382
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 9: develop your co workers into, organizers and how to build

1383
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 9: power in the workplace and shift that balance of power

1384
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 9: from the boss to the. Workers and it's very different

1385
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 9: than like other union organizer trainings because a lot of

1386
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 9: other trainings are basically like training you how to do

1387
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,839
Speaker 9: card check, campaigns like how to talk to your, coworker

1388
01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 9: get them to sign a card and then you never

1389
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 9: talk to them again kind of.

1390
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 5: Thing but we're not interested in.

1391
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 9: That we're interested in like building real relationships and like

1392
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 9: building bill power with our, coworkers and that's what the

1393
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 9: training is all.

1394
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 5: About, YEAH i think it's fun both untwo levels of.

1395
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 5: One I've i've been to one of these and it's

1396
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 5: very very. Good and the second THING i think is

1397
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 5: very funny is like the other unions that like suck

1398
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 5: less in THE, us like part of what has happened

1399
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,560
Speaker 5: is they've adopted a bunch of the trading.

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01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 13: From one of the amount of Times i've seen some

1401
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 13: union doing something and being like they learned it from,

1402
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 13: us it's very fucking obvious the learned it from.

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01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 5: US i will listen to people being like they're giving

1404
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 5: a definition of the. Union i'm, like that's the i

1405
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 5: W w. One AND i know your leadership doesn't believe

1406
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 5: this because it's, like, not that's not how your union.

1407
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 5: Works but, yeah you, could you, could you, could you.

1408
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 5: Could you can get the original one from the source

1409
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 5: that doesn't have in the same way that like a

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01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 5: bunch of the modern trade unions cut out a couple

1411
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 5: of versus of solidarity forever because they were too. Radical they.

1412
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 10: Mutilated are fucking. Bad that chaplain is rolling in his fucking.

1413
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 5: Grave that's A. Canaan they stole the song and then

1414
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 5: they were, like oh my, god hold on, this like

1415
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 5: might teach workers that they don't have anything in common

1416
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 5: with their, Bosses like we have to.

1417
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 4: Stop we.

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01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 11: Can't there's seven verses, altogether count them seven except something.

1419
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 5: Yeah and most most unions sing like five oh if that?

1420
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 5: Yeah and you know in the same way that you

1421
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 5: can get the original uncut version Of Salary. Forever you

1422
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 5: too can get to the organizer training that these other

1423
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 5: people are getting bad versions Of.

1424
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:44,560
Speaker 10: Yeah fun. Story so this is unrelated to THE, iww

1425
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 10: but also. RELATED a few weeks, AGO i was a

1426
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 10: part of the Anti Zionist jewish contingent at The Queer

1427
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 10: Liberation march In New York, city and of COURSE i

1428
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 10: got on the mega phone and led everyone in Singing solidarity.

1429
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 5: Forever hell, yeah hell, yeah it's a good. TIME i

1430
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 5: hear there's a New Little Red songbook in the.

1431
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,799
Speaker 11: WORKS i don't know how far along The Committee committee,

1432
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 11: is but this has been a mammoth. PROJECT i could

1433
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 11: only imagine right producing a New Little red.

1434
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 5: Songbook by the, WAY i want to point this out

1435
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,440
Speaker 5: to speak speaking of other people taking, stuff THE iww

1436
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 5: Had Little Red books before The maoist. Did LIKE i

1437
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 5: CAN'T i can't say for certain That Maxine don took

1438
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 5: that chip from, us but like that stuff is from

1439
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 5: way fucking Before maoism. Existed like this is not affiliated

1440
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 5: those well are.

1441
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 4: FUCKERS i, Mean.

1442
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 10: Mao was a was an anarchist before he became A. Marxist,

1443
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 10: yeah this is The chinese anarchist movement one hundred years

1444
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 10: ago was way stronger than The marxist. Movement like half

1445
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 10: the original communist parties in the. World we're founded by former. Anarchids,

1446
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 10: yeah and this this has gone poorly for. Them check's

1447
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 10: notes filtering back to the twenty.

1448
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 5: Twenties from the nineteen, twenties where where can people find

1449
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 5: where tours are? Happening and yeah and get more. Involved,

1450
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 5: yeah we have a. Website It's Industrial worker dot Card.

1451
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 5: Co there's two rs in. CARD i don't know if

1452
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 5: we can link that like in the description of the.

1453
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 5: Podcast oh yeah we.

1454
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 4: Can we'll make a.

1455
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 5: Description, okay.

1456
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 9: Cool so, yeah that website will have all of the tour.

1457
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 9: Locations right, now there's eight. Locations there might be one

1458
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 9: or two more being added in the near, future but

1459
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 9: as of right, now it's Like, Portland, Sacramento, Denver, Seattle,

1460
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 9: CHICA i Go Green, mountain which is brilliancent for Fine

1461
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 9: New York city and excellent C, michigan who are all

1462
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 9: having locations on this. Tour and that website will have

1463
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 9: all the tales like, when, where. Etc hell, Yeah i'm.

1464
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 10: EXCITED i also wanted to shout out. Specifically first, Off

1465
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 10: i'm the proud chairwoman of The Orientation committee OF, nyciww

1466
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 10: actually former branch secretary treasurer Of Northern New jersey before

1467
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 10: we merged With New. York but nyciww's having Our Fire

1468
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:37,719
Speaker 10: Your Boss tour stop At woodbine In manhattan On august twenty,

1469
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 10: second starting at. Noon free lunch will be. Provided oh,

1470
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 10: yeah so here in THE nyc, area please stop by

1471
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 10: and get to meet the sexy trans woman with The transatlantic.

1472
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:55,839
Speaker 5: ACCENT i Visited woodbine winning was still In, Ridgewood.

1473
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 11: Queens i'm very much looking forward to checking out their

1474
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 11: new location and so any of you all they still

1475
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 11: have That queen's.

1476
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 10: LOCATION i think they've just expanded Into, manhattan.

1477
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 5: Right it's been ages.

1478
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 11: Now but, anyway if you're In Northern New, england you

1479
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 11: could join us at The Public library In, Burlington vermont On,

1480
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:19,719
Speaker 11: Sunday august. Sixteenth that Is Bennington Battle, day a state

1481
01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 11: holiday unique to the state Of.

1482
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 5: Vermont do you have anything else that you want to

1483
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 5: televerye before we head.

1484
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 10: OUT i would say THAT i think what THE iww

1485
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 10: does very uniquely THAT i haven't really seen any other union.

1486
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 10: Do is, that in my, opinion at our best we

1487
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 10: we go contract. List shout out To Stardust Workers. United

1488
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 10: they're AN nyciww shop who are the singing waiters and

1489
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 10: other staff At Ellen's Stardust. Diner and of Course i'm

1490
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 10: a fan since I i'm an actress and singer, myself

1491
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 10: and of course fellow. Worker but they don't have a.

1492
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 10: Contract what they do is they use direct action in

1493
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:14,640
Speaker 10: various tactics to exert their power and negotiate with the

1494
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 10: boss's issue by. Issue they don't use state power to

1495
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:22,440
Speaker 10: enforce it at. All there's been no, election there's no contract.

1496
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 10: Signed all they did is get a bunch of their

1497
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 10: fellow workers to join THE iww and exist as a

1498
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 10: bargaining unit and exert power that. Way AND i think

1499
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 10: that's very powerful because we aren't relying upon the state

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01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 10: to enforce our. Will we're doing it. Ourselves and that's

1501
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 10: such a powerful thing when so many people just are

1502
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 10: streaming why won't someone save? Us you, know everyone's, like

1503
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 10: why won't someone do? Something why won't someone do?

1504
01:21:56,120 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 5: Something wown't someone do? Something And i'm just, like you

1505
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 5: can do it.

1506
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 10: Yourselves you can make your own conditions better by you

1507
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 10: and your coworkers. Alone AND i think that's so special

1508
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 10: about THE iww is that that truly is a revolutionary

1509
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 10: break from the.

1510
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,600
Speaker 9: State the thing THAT i would want to end this

1511
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 9: conversation with, IS i feel like the labor movement in

1512
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 9: The United states has been trying the same thing over

1513
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 9: and over again for, decades like ever since The National

1514
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 9: Libor Relations act was, Passed like we've been trying this contract,

1515
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 9: model like this like service model that we've been talking,

1516
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 9: about and it's kind of why the labor movement is

1517
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 9: as weak as it is, today and like the current

1518
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 9: administration is going after like these protections that we, had

1519
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 9: and it kind of just goes to show how we

1520
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 9: can't rely on these like pennies that the state throws,

1521
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 9: us like these, protections they're not really, Real, like so

1522
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 9: we need to build our own. Power we need to

1523
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 9: be reliant on. Ourselves and there's one quote THAT i

1524
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 9: have really. LOVED i don't know who said, it but it,

1525
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 9: says today's labor, movement which involves the absolute majority of

1526
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 9: the global, population along with its allies and marginalized groups and,

1527
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 9: minorities must mount an, offensive reviving strategies and energetic dedication

1528
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 9: to radical. Methods and that's what we're trying to do

1529
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 9: with the firebus story is like return to these and

1530
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 9: radical methods that worked so, well like, historically we need

1531
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 9: to try something.

1532
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 5: New so, yeah and something very very new and very

1533
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 5: very old at the same.

1534
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 10: Time there are some historians that put the estimates of

1535
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 10: members of THE iww it's kind of hard to track

1536
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 10: due to a lot of the members were migrant. Workers

1537
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 10: put it at possibly over a million in the nineteen.

1538
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 10: Tens and you, know in my, opinion it's a good.

1539
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 10: Start you, know let's get. THERE i, MEAN theflcio is

1540
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 10: like three four or five, million you, Know I'm i'm

1541
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 10: hoping The fire Your Boss tour is the is the

1542
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 10: start of, uh you, know great amazing things for our

1543
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 10: union because hell, knows millions of, people if not, billions

1544
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 10: could benefit from.

1545
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 11: Us, yeah every worker an. ORGANIZER i hope that's a

1546
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 11: step we're, taking. RIGHT i hope everyone that joins us

1547
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 11: on this tour is to feel more like an, organizer

1548
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 11: feel more like the, leader and really understand what's going

1549
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 11: on in their workplace and all around the, world because

1550
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 11: that's what we need as we go.

1551
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,680
Speaker 5: Forward, yeah but that's a good note to end on

1552
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 5: and thank.

1553
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 4: You thank all of you for coming on the show and.

1554
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 4: Talking thank you so.

1555
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 10: Much, yeah thank you for having us happy.

1556
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 5: Too and hopefully we all get to see each other

1557
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 5: like on the front lines of the class war someday.

1558
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 5: Soon and WHEN i WHEN i say, YOU i mean

1559
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 5: everyone you the listeners, Too, polarity.

1560
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:02,719
Speaker 10: Thank you lovely. Listen, also one cannot be an attention

1561
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 10: wre if no one is there to listen to.

1562
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 3: Her this is it could happen. Here I'm Garrison. DAVIS

1563
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 3: a specter is haunting The United. States last, Year democratic

1564
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 3: Socialist Zorn momdani beat establishment Politician Andrew cuomo in The

1565
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:34,719
Speaker 3: New york mayoral election two, times both in The democratic

1566
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 3: primary and The november. General since, then The Democratic socialists

1567
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 3: Of america have only grown their power In New York,

1568
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 3: City state and The halls Of. Congress Claire valdez Brad

1569
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 3: lander And Diara lisa of Vi La chevalier won their congressional,

1570
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 3: primary unseating Two democrat incumbents and beating one incumbent backed.

1571
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 3: Progressive that same, night Seven New York CITY Dsa Cana

1572
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 3: dates won Their democratic primaries for The State assembly And State,

1573
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 3: senate paving the way to send seven New Democratic socialists

1574
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 3: to The New York State, legislature joining the eight socialists

1575
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 3: already in. Office in, total nine out of the ten

1576
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 3: insurgent candidates on THE NYC dsa slate won their races last,

1577
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 3: month beating sitting incumbents and establishment backed. Candidates When Hakim

1578
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 3: jeffries appeared ON tv at A dsa election night, party

1579
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 3: the crowd chanted your. Next the next morning in The Oval,

1580
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:43,520
Speaker 3: Office President trump commented on THE dsa, Sweep President, trump.

1581
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:47,560
Speaker 2: Great knight For Democratic socialist candidates last night and The

1582
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 2: New york. Primaries they swept and knocked out two.

1583
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 13: Incumbents you're From New.

1584
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 14: York why do you think it is that now the

1585
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:57,959
Speaker 14: endorsement Of Zorn mamdani means.

1586
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 8: More than the endorsement of.

1587
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 4: Hakimja, well they're.

1588
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 15: Going radical left and going really you, know you talk

1589
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 15: about The democrat socialists you.

1590
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,560
Speaker 16: Took really it's really a. Communist that's these. PEOPLE i

1591
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 16: watched that woman last. Night that's not a, SOCIALIST i know.

1592
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:18,479
Speaker 16: Socialist that's like that woman is a. Communist just a.

1593
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 3: Week, prior A dsa endorsed candidate won The democratic primary

1594
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 3: in The washington D.

1595
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 5: C mayoral.

1596
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 3: Election and A dsa member won the primary for The

1597
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 3: ward One City council. Seat, then a week after The

1598
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 3: New York city, sweep Another Democratic, Socialist Melot, kiros won

1599
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 3: The democratic primary In colorado's First Congressional house, district unseating

1600
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 3: a thirty year. Incumbent this sequence of wins rattled both

1601
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 3: The democratic establishment as well As trump and THE. Gop

1602
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 3: Here's trump again in The oval office On june twenty.

1603
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 17: Ninth Zara bondani said in an interview this week that

1604
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,839
Speaker 17: he was open to being the poster child for socialist.

1605
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 18: Case are you worried about more socialist candidates across THE?

1606
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 15: US i think a big threat to a nation, actually

1607
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 15: because it's not. Socialism it's like. Communism they use the

1608
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 15: word social democrat because it sounds so, nice but it's

1609
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,799
Speaker 15: really communism you're talking. ABOUT i think it's the biggest

1610
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:16,799
Speaker 15: threat to a nation.

1611
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:19,680
Speaker 4: There, is maybe since our.

1612
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 3: Founding President trump spent much of The july fourth weekend

1613
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 3: commemorating the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the country attacking.

1614
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 3: Communism these are clips From Trump's america to fifty address

1615
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 3: On july, fourth and other speeches in press. Conferences from

1616
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 3: that same.

1617
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 15: Week communism is a loser and it always will. Be

1618
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 15: the communist system is the opposite of The american, system

1619
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 15: and the communist system has never. Worked our warriors did

1620
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 15: not fight communism on battlefields across the world only to

1621
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 15: have that menace rear its ugly head right back here In.

1622
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 19: America we're not gonna let it, happen because it's like

1623
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 19: a cancer that, spreads and you'd better stop at. First

1624
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 19: we will never let The United states become a communist.

1625
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 5: Country you can be loyal To Karl, marx or you

1626
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 5: can be loyal To.

1627
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 4: America communism's a.

1628
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 20: Disaster it's been proven to be for thousands of, years

1629
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 20: under different, names but the same. Thing there is now

1630
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 20: a resurgence of the communist menace in our, land including

1631
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 20: from newcomers to our country who embrace ideas totally opposed

1632
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 20: to our way of life and our great. Success communism

1633
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 20: is a mortal threat To american. Liberty it is the

1634
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 20: greatest threat to our country Including World war, One World war,

1635
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 20: Two Pearl, harbor or even nine to.

1636
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:50,799
Speaker 3: Eleven as THE dsa has won seats across the, country

1637
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 3: the organization has attracted new members after the twenty twenty

1638
01:29:55,360 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 3: four presidential, ELECTION dsa had about fifty thousand members. Nationally this,

1639
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 3: MONTH dsa reached over one hundred and twenty thousand, members

1640
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 3: a record. High just The New York city chapter alone

1641
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:13,639
Speaker 3: has over fifteen thousand. Members late last, YEAR dsa allocated

1642
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 3: funding to open twenty new offices across the. Country around

1643
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:22,799
Speaker 3: The june, primary the zionist extremist Group Canary mission started

1644
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 3: specifically TARGETING nycdsa with writeups on all ten of the insurgent.

1645
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 3: Candidates Canary mission's ANTI nycdsa article from before the election

1646
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 3: was titled one Thousand zorans don't threaten me with a good.

1647
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 3: Time the article not only attacked THE nycdsa, candidates but

1648
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 3: also highlighted how the organizational structure OF nycdsa has established

1649
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 3: a template for success by running candidates as a whole

1650
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 3: block who can campaign together and then support each other

1651
01:30:54,600 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 3: once in. Office QUOTE nycdsa elected officials meet week to

1652
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 3: align votes and coordinate. Strategy the machine doesn't.

1653
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 5: Stop in all.

1654
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 3: Caps in a post on X The everything app after

1655
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 3: The june, Primary Canary mission, wrote Quote New York CITY

1656
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 3: dsa is not just, growing it is building the machinery

1657
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 3: to turn radical ideology into political. Power the numbers show

1658
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:26,799
Speaker 3: the scale the LARGEST dsa chapter In, america roughly ninety thousand,

1659
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 3: volunteers hundreds of field, leads a candidate, pipeline and coordination

1660
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 3: that continues after election. Day this is how a movement

1661
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 3: stops looking like protest and starts looking like. Infrastructure New

1662
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 3: york is the testing. Ground the machine is already being.

1663
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:50,720
Speaker 3: Built unquote and, yeah they're. Right basically everything in that

1664
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 3: little quote is one hundred percent. True and that is

1665
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 3: what's making both the liberal and conservative establishment. Nervous on

1666
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,600
Speaker 3: the eve Of July Fourthox news ran a segment on

1667
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 3: The Kami.

1668
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:06,600
Speaker 21: Revolution White House Press secretary Of Caroline lovitt joins, Us,

1669
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 21: now The Kammi.

1670
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 5: Revolution, caroline did you ever see this?

1671
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:13,720
Speaker 22: Coming this is not your Granddaddy's Democrat. Party this is

1672
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 22: not the grand Uh Democrat party OF. Jfk this is

1673
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 22: a full blown communist revolution that is taking Over Capitol.

1674
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 21: Hill if these commies get, in they're going to be

1675
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 21: a powerful little. Caucus they're going to hear to blow things.

1676
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 21: Up they're not here to Negotiate pentagon. Funding they want

1677
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 21: Zero pentagon. Funding they're in here to destroy the. Country

1678
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 21: how would the president negotiate with people like.

1679
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 4: That i'm not sure you.

1680
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 22: Can AND i think that's why The president is being

1681
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:45,679
Speaker 22: so bold and warning The american public against this communist

1682
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 22: takeover of The. Democrats and As Ronald reagan perfectly, stated

1683
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 22: freedom is never more than one generation away from. Extinction

1684
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:55,400
Speaker 22: if these communists are given a chance at power here In, WASHINGTON,

1685
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 22: dc if they retake the majority In washington away from The,

1686
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:01,959
Speaker 22: republicans we will be heading down a communist.

1687
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 3: Takeover this concern By Jesse waters Of Fox news was

1688
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 3: also the topic of A axios story from a few

1689
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 3: days after The New york, primary with quotes from quote

1690
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 3: unquote Centrist democrat lawmakers threatening that there's quote unquote going

1691
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 3: to be a war if the new members Of congress

1692
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 3: try to utilize their block to win policy, concessions with

1693
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 3: one lawmaker calling the incoming members quote bomb, throwers not problem.

1694
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 3: Solvers the idea is that if The democrats win a

1695
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 3: Small house majority in the next, election the growing coalition Of,

1696
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 3: democratic socialist and left wing populist lawmakers could leverage their

1697
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 3: needed votes to get concessions from party leadership and wield

1698
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 3: an outsized influence on the. Party in this, Story axios

1699
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:56,479
Speaker 3: wrote that left Wing house reps quote moving on block

1700
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 3: would be able to kill party line votes to get

1701
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:03,639
Speaker 3: their demands, met much like the far Right House Freedom

1702
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 3: caucus has done the past few. Years Progressive Repdila ramirez

1703
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 3: Of illinois is quoted in the piece saying that The

1704
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:15,600
Speaker 3: Congressional Progressive caucus has a quote responsibility to be the

1705
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 3: strongest voter, block to take a stand not for the,

1706
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 3: establishment but for working people who send us to fight

1707
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:27,480
Speaker 3: like hell for. Them threats of war from Centrist democrats

1708
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 3: and cries of communism From Fox news And President trump

1709
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 3: show a real fear of the growing MOMENTUM dsay is,

1710
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 3: having both as an organization and in the ballot, box

1711
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 3: and the fear that this kind of politics won't be

1712
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 3: contained to big cities in blue. States here Is Mam

1713
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 3: donnie being interviewed ON abc shortly after The june, primary.

1714
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 23: And you knocked off Two democratic incumbent members Of. Congress

1715
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 23: is is this like a unique moment In New york

1716
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:00,679
Speaker 23: or is this the beginning of a national?

1717
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:04,680
Speaker 24: MOVEMENT i think we are seeing a hunger that is

1718
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 24: not just felt By New yorkers but frankly By americans

1719
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:09,599
Speaker 24: from coast to coast for a new kind of, politics

1720
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 24: one that puts working people at the heart of. It

1721
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:14,760
Speaker 24: AND i think for far too, long what we as

1722
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:16,920
Speaker 24: a party have been able to say To New yorkers

1723
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 24: who are struggling is simply to explain why they're, struggling

1724
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 24: not actually offer them a vision for how to make life.

1725
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 24: Better and these, Candidates Brad, Daria Liza, claire they ran

1726
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 24: campaigns that spoke to working people and that said life

1727
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 24: in the nation's most expensive city need not be this

1728
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 24: way any. Longer AND i can't wait to have them

1729
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 24: as partners IN dc and.

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01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 3: Network we'll be right back With Mike johnson after this at.

1731
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:52,720
Speaker 3: Break three days after THE dsa sweep In New, York

1732
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 3: Republican House Speaker Mike johnson gave the keynote address at

1733
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:02,440
Speaker 3: The faith And Freedom. Conference he essentially did free propaganda

1734
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 3: for THE.

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01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 14: Dsa THE, dsa The Democrat socialists Of america sounds so,

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01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 14: innocuous doesn't.

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01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 12: It, no it.

1738
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 14: DOESN'T i will say that this is their. Platform, listen

1739
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 14: this is actually quotes from their platform that they PUBLISHED

1740
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 14: i think about a day or two. Ago you can

1741
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 14: find this on the. Internet, okay here's just a sample

1742
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 14: of what they're. About they put this on. Paper they're

1743
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 14: saying the quiet things out. Loud abolish the Electoral college

1744
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 14: or place the two party system with a multi party.

1745
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:33,479
Speaker 14: Democracy expand The house Of. Representatives implement proportional representation and

1746
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 14: rank choice voting in all. Elections abolish well establish public

1747
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:44,559
Speaker 14: ownership of the largest corporations and essential industries to ensure

1748
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 14: democratic control.

1749
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 8: And accountability to the.

1750
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 14: People abolish ice and grant amnesty for.

1751
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 5: All this isn't the quiet part out.

1752
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 3: Loud this is Democratic socialists of one oh one empowering

1753
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:01,639
Speaker 3: workers by increasing demo credit control of our own government

1754
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 3: and the unaccountable corporations that rule over our. Lives but

1755
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 3: here's more From Mike johnson.

1756
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 14: In sanctions On, Cuba, venezuela And. Iran Free palestine quote

1757
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 14: for a Free palestine With jerusalem as its. Capital end

1758
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:20,760
Speaker 14: all military and economic aid To. Israel PROSECUTE us And

1759
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 14: israeli leaders responsible for the genocide In. Gaza abolish the

1760
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:31,719
Speaker 14: carceral state. Quote redirect police and prison funding to public

1761
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:35,959
Speaker 14: services as steps towards abolishing the carceral forces of the capitalist.

1762
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,959
Speaker 14: State y'all it goes on and on and. On defund

1763
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 14: The department Of, war replace The president and The Supreme

1764
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 14: court with an executive and judiciary chosen and subordinate To,

1765
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:49,879
Speaker 14: congress which they're.

1766
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 8: Hoping to take.

1767
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 14: Over and the last one is abolished The. Senate, now

1768
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 14: some of you may agree with. That don't just leave

1769
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 14: that one, There, okay it's, Fine i'm.

1770
01:37:57,439 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 3: Kidding the fact that the Sitting house speaker felt the

1771
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:06,799
Speaker 3: need to address these proposals signifies a Serious overton windows

1772
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 3: shift and opening up of the conversation on ending in humane,

1773
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:16,720
Speaker 3: sanctions reforming The Supreme, court defunding The, pentagon and abolishing

1774
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 3: the uniquely undemocratic institution of The. Senate will that last

1775
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:27,599
Speaker 3: one happen anytime? Soon probably, Not But Mike johnson apparently

1776
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 3: believes this is a topic worthy of public. Debate this Past,

1777
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,280
Speaker 3: Tuesday Mike johnson announced that The pentagon is requesting an

1778
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 3: additional three hundred and fifty billion.

1779
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 14: Dollars you've heard The president talk about how he wants

1780
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 14: to effectively double the funding for national. Events, look we

1781
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 14: live in dangerous time for finding communism on our own,

1782
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 14: chores and we're fighting evil terrorists and tyrants around the.

1783
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:54,880
Speaker 3: World, meanwhile also this Past, TUESDAY dsa released the full

1784
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:58,280
Speaker 3: version of their new national, platform which is What Mike

1785
01:38:58,360 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 3: johnson was quoting. From this platform is Titled Workers Deserve

1786
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:06,839
Speaker 3: more And beyond What Mike johnson has already helpfully. Outlined

1787
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 3: it also contains paid family leaf for all, workers a

1788
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:14,599
Speaker 3: thirty two hour, workweek a living minimum, wage canceling student,

1789
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 3: debt universal, healthcare building publicly owned social, housing honoring all

1790
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:24,599
Speaker 3: treaties and tribal, sovereignty finishing, reconstruction ending mass incarceration and police,

1791
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:28,639
Speaker 3: immunity a federal jobs, guarantee publicly owned energy and transit,

1792
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 3: infrastructure ending THE us four, machine a Free, palestine ending

1793
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 3: all aid To, israel prosecuting those responsible for the, GAZOGENOCIDE dc,

1794
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 3: statehood getting rid of, lobbyists dark, money and Citizens united

1795
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 3: and publicly financing all, elections while expanding and protecting voter

1796
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:49,360
Speaker 3: rights and ending voter, suppression and of, course ABOLISHING. Ice

1797
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:52,760
Speaker 3: you can read the full platform in more detail at

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01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 3: program DOT dsausa dot.

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01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 5: Org i'll link it.

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01:39:57,080 --> 01:40:00,800
Speaker 3: Below it's not very long and quite easy To it

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01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 3: starts with a preamble to contextualize the goals of the

1802
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 3: organization and the purpose of an ambitious. Platform in our current,

1803
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,599
Speaker 3: Moment i'll quote from.

1804
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 5: A section of that.

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01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:15,639
Speaker 3: Preamble, now, Quote if we lived in a classless society

1806
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:18,679
Speaker 3: and governed, ourselves we could freely build a world without

1807
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,560
Speaker 3: war or. Poverty we could build a world where no

1808
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 3: one suffers for their, race, gender or, religion and everyone is, free,

1809
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,799
Speaker 3: equal and cared. For building this world is the guiding

1810
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:31,759
Speaker 3: star of our. Movement when we labor for our common

1811
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 3: good instead of private, profit we can all have a

1812
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:37,879
Speaker 3: secure and dignified life and use our time and talents

1813
01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 3: how we. Wish to achieve this, future our class must.

1814
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:45,679
Speaker 3: Organize The Democratic socialist Of america is building a party

1815
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 3: whose goal is a democratic society of the working. Class

1816
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 3: our enemies are not just individual, bosses but the entire

1817
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 3: global system of. Capital not just this or that, cop,

1818
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:02,160
Speaker 3: judge or, president but the entire anti democratic structure of our.

1819
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 3: Society we are workers fighting to transform, society to win

1820
01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:10,920
Speaker 3: the battle for, democracy draft a new, constitution and create

1821
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:15,519
Speaker 3: a Democratic Socialist. REPUBLIC dsa has written this program for

1822
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 3: ending capitalist oligarchy and creating a real. Democracy some of

1823
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:22,720
Speaker 3: these demands may be one under our current, system but

1824
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:25,680
Speaker 3: we know complete victory will require building.

1825
01:41:25,400 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 5: A new society from the ground.

1826
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 3: Up we push these demands to their furthest extent today

1827
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:34,080
Speaker 3: so that we can fight for their fullest realization in

1828
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 3: a socialist. Future, meanwhile let's check in on the. Liberals

1829
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:44,719
Speaker 3: on CNN's state of The, Union Pennsylvania Governor Josh shapiro

1830
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,440
Speaker 3: was asked about the RECENT dsa electoral.

1831
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:53,160
Speaker 17: Wins democratic voters In New york chose three candidates back By,

1832
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:57,240
Speaker 17: zorammdani far left And Democratic socialist.

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01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 5: Candidates what message do you take from that of about

1834
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 5: where your party.

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01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:04,640
Speaker 25: Is you, know those were races and individual districts in

1836
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 25: a whole other. STATE i think you're seeing very different

1837
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:12,640
Speaker 25: looking congressional races and certainly Different democratic candidates here In.

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01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:16,880
Speaker 3: Pennsylvania that's an interesting point being made By Governor, shapiro

1839
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:20,240
Speaker 3: who seems to be ignoring the fact that the first

1840
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:24,600
Speaker 3: congressional primary win for A Democratic socialist this year was

1841
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:29,559
Speaker 3: In pennsylvania's third district this Past, May Democratic Socialist Chris

1842
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:33,360
Speaker 3: robb beat a candidate backed by the retiring, incumbent a

1843
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 3: candidate who compared calling the genocide In gaza a genocide

1844
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:41,400
Speaker 3: to saying the n, Word but Jos shapiro is not

1845
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 3: the only one trying to argue that DSA's success is

1846
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 3: limited to places Like New. York londons have been saying

1847
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 3: the same thing ever Since mamdani won the primary over

1848
01:42:50,920 --> 01:42:54,720
Speaker 3: a year, ago but following The slate sweep last, month

1849
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 3: Some democratic lawmakers have tried to minimize the increasing trend

1850
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 3: of socialist candidates beating both moderate and sometimes even progressive.

1851
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 5: Politicians the reaction From democrats has been.

1852
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 23: Something you've had some Prominent democrats dismissive of what happened.

1853
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:15,799
Speaker 23: HERE i, mean you Had Senator blumenthal say the effort

1854
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,479
Speaker 23: to Nationalize New york is going to. Fail what happened

1855
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 23: In New york will be really irrelevant by the time

1856
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 23: of the elections In. November Jakeem jeffreys basically said the same,

1857
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:28,519
Speaker 23: thing saying that this is not indicative of what needs

1858
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:28,920
Speaker 23: to happen In.

1859
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 4: November what do you make of?

1860
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:33,760
Speaker 24: That you, KNOW i think that when you Ask americans

1861
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:37,640
Speaker 24: what they're feeling in this, moment amidst reports of an

1862
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:41,880
Speaker 24: economated strengthening of stock market that's, booming you will hear

1863
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 24: an exhaustion and having to try and make ends meet

1864
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:48,479
Speaker 24: every single, day every single, week every single, month and

1865
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 24: that it's getting harder and, harder and so a message

1866
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:54,120
Speaker 24: of fighting for working. People we don't have to nationalize that.

1867
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 24: Message that is a national, message the national. Crisis and

1868
01:43:57,439 --> 01:43:59,800
Speaker 24: for far too, long all we've had to say is

1869
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 24: a party is opposition to the current.

1870
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,559
Speaker 4: Administration what do we have to say beyond?

1871
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 24: That and what these candidates offer is a vision that

1872
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 24: extends beyond the, Midterms it extends beyond twenty twenty. Eight

1873
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,240
Speaker 24: it speaks to what makes so many of us proud

1874
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:15,639
Speaker 24: to Be. Democrats it speaks to a vision that goes

1875
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:18,719
Speaker 24: back to a new deal understanding of what working people.

1876
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:20,960
Speaker 24: Deserve And i'll tell you, that for too, long that

1877
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 24: kind of politics you can only find it in history,

1878
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:24,880
Speaker 24: books and we need to bring it back to the present.

1879
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:30,639
Speaker 3: Day ON, Cnn joshapiro addressed his disagreements with one particular

1880
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 3: candidate In New, York, chevalier, saying, quote her district voted for,

1881
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:39,280
Speaker 3: her BUT i have profound differences from that particular, candidate

1882
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:42,360
Speaker 3: and she's not someone who SEEMINGLY i would agree with

1883
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 3: on many, things or that we share similar. Values she

1884
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:48,640
Speaker 3: ran on The democratic. TICKET i guess she is a.

1885
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 3: Socialist her voters in that district determined that she was

1886
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 3: the one they wanted representing.

1887
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 25: HER i think what is important are the people who

1888
01:44:57,160 --> 01:45:00,479
Speaker 25: are making a lot in no, wise who're engaged in

1889
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 25: these performative, politics have to now figure out how to deliver.

1890
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 25: Results it's one thing to speak in platitudes during a.

1891
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:10,360
Speaker 25: Campaign it's a whole other thing to actually deliver for

1892
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:14,639
Speaker 25: people who are genuinely, hurting who genuinely need to see

1893
01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:19,160
Speaker 25: cost of living go, down meaning their ability to make ends,

1894
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 25: meet you, know go, up fixing a broken healthcare, system

1895
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 25: raining in, excesses being able to give people the promise

1896
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:29,599
Speaker 25: of liberty that we've talked. ABOUT i think we as

1897
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 25: a party need to find our way toward candidates who

1898
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 25: actually can deliver for people and make their lives.

1899
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 3: Better i'm curious Who shapiro thinks such candidates may, be

1900
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:45,120
Speaker 3: because the twenty twenty four election showed that voters lost

1901
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:48,760
Speaker 3: faith That National dems could deliver any of those, Things

1902
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:54,479
Speaker 3: whereas in just six, Months Democratic Socialist Zora mamdani delivered free,

1903
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:57,600
Speaker 3: childcare a two year rent, freeze a new plan to

1904
01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:01,360
Speaker 3: make buses, faster all well balance the budget and overcoming

1905
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 3: a twelve billion dollar deficit left By Eric.

1906
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:07,000
Speaker 24: Adams we don't have to ask ourselves what life looks

1907
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:10,040
Speaker 24: like if a socialist. WINS i won Last, november and

1908
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 24: over the course of these last six, months what we've

1909
01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:14,640
Speaker 24: delivered for working people are the very things we were

1910
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 24: told were. Impossible we've delivered free childcare for two year

1911
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:20,040
Speaker 24: olds for the first time In New York city. History

1912
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:23,800
Speaker 24: we've delivered tens of millions of dollars back to tenants

1913
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:26,759
Speaker 24: who were taken advantage of by bad. Landlords we've delivered

1914
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 24: one hundred and sixty five thousand potholes being. Paved and

1915
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 24: we've done all of these things while also delivering the

1916
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:35,800
Speaker 24: lowest recorded crime in our city's. History that's what it

1917
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,240
Speaker 24: looks like to have democratic. Socialism and what you're seeing

1918
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:41,080
Speaker 24: is That New yorkers experienced this for six months and

1919
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 24: made the decision that they wanted to see more of

1920
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:44,120
Speaker 24: it on the national stage as.

1921
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:48,080
Speaker 3: Well Governor shapiro has said The Democratic party is going

1922
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 3: through quote a battle over what we believe in, unquote

1923
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:56,960
Speaker 3: AND i think that's. True but moderates can never seem

1924
01:46:57,040 --> 01:47:01,360
Speaker 3: to really express what they believe in opposition to Both

1925
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 3: trump and The Democratic. Socialists, Meanwhile momdani is on the

1926
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 3: news clearly articulating what he believes in and why the

1927
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:10,360
Speaker 3: party should believe in it.

1928
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 24: TOO i think it has to stand for working, people

1929
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 24: AND i think it has to be willing to fight

1930
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:16,960
Speaker 24: for working. People AND i think that there are some

1931
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:21,680
Speaker 24: who are offended by the prospect of a party that

1932
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 24: knows who it fights for and goes every day to

1933
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:26,519
Speaker 24: work for, that because what we've seen over many years

1934
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 24: is a willingness to not only explain away the status,

1935
01:47:30,439 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 24: quo but frankly even to look to benefit from the status.

1936
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:35,720
Speaker 24: Quo and that's not what working people are looking for

1937
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 24: from our.

1938
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 23: Party can A Democratic socialists get elected?

1939
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:41,960
Speaker 24: PRESIDENT i think A Democratic socialist can get elected anywhere

1940
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 24: across this country for any. Position WHAT i think we

1941
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:45,960
Speaker 24: need to bring is a focus on working.

1942
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,560
Speaker 23: People and that's the direction that the party should go.

1943
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 23: In and in terms of a selecting a candidate for

1944
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 23: twenty twenty, EIGHT i think.

1945
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:54,160
Speaker 24: The direction that the party should go in is how

1946
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 24: best to fight for working. PEOPLE i think we need

1947
01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 24: to have a platform and a vision that doesn't sound

1948
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 24: as if it was cooked up by, consultants but instead

1949
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:04,559
Speaker 24: one that you would say in response to someone who's

1950
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:06,600
Speaker 24: asking why CAN'T i afford my? Rent why CAN'T i

1951
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:09,120
Speaker 24: afford my? Groceries why CAN'T i afford my? Childcare we

1952
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:12,200
Speaker 24: need to make clear who we stand, for how we're

1953
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 24: going to stand for.

1954
01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 4: Them and that we're actually willing to fight for them

1955
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:15,280
Speaker 4: when the going gets.

1956
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 3: Tough as Red scare style rhetoric has surged on the,

1957
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:22,720
Speaker 3: right we've begun to see more Establishment dems team up

1958
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:26,840
Speaker 3: with conservative media And republican politicians in trying to take

1959
01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 3: down THE dsa to protect their shared class. Interests this

1960
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:34,240
Speaker 3: was already happening throughout The New york mayor oal race last,

1961
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:37,519
Speaker 3: year eventually leading To trump Endorsing Andrew cuomo on the

1962
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 3: eve of the. Election but as THE dsa keeps building

1963
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 3: power and winning races across the, country so too will

1964
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:49,679
Speaker 3: this bipartisan ruling class alliance continue to. Spread late last,

1965
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:53,880
Speaker 3: Month democratic Advisor James carville went On Fox news to

1966
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 3: discuss the danger of democratic socialism and the possibility of

1967
01:48:58,160 --> 01:49:02,519
Speaker 3: a party. Schism Then fox has been airing clips Of

1968
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 3: carville's own podcast where he attacks THE dsa.

1969
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:08,719
Speaker 26: Socialism surge is threating to shake up The Democratic. Party

1970
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:11,560
Speaker 26: big wins From mondani backed candidates In New york this

1971
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 26: week just the latest for The Democratic socialists Of. America

1972
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:19,479
Speaker 26: Veteran democratic Strategist James carville says it could be time to.

1973
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:25,519
Speaker 21: SPLIT i actually do think it's time For democrats to

1974
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:27,240
Speaker 21: talk THE s, word skiss.

1975
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:32,559
Speaker 4: THEM i really. Do everybody's always, said, no, no we were.

1976
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:35,840
Speaker 4: Coalition we're a big temp and as there's just some

1977
01:49:36,280 --> 01:49:37,599
Speaker 4: THAT i can't be in the same camp.

1978
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:41,160
Speaker 3: With later in that, Segment fox brought on a quote

1979
01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:45,679
Speaker 3: Unquote democratic strategist who worked Under Andrew cuomo to rail

1980
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 3: against socialists trying to hijack the.

1981
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 27: Party, now, Listen i've been saying this for the last

1982
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:53,000
Speaker 27: several months and trying to sound the alarm on.

1983
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:56,280
Speaker 4: This these people are Not. Democrats they are.

1984
01:49:56,520 --> 01:50:00,080
Speaker 27: Socialists and what they've done is they have, strategically in

1985
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:02,639
Speaker 27: the last ten, years Since burny did his run in twenty,

1986
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 27: sixteen come up with a strategy in order to take

1987
01:50:06,120 --> 01:50:09,320
Speaker 27: over The Democratic. Party they very, organize they've been working

1988
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:12,760
Speaker 27: on the local. Level but make no, mistake these are Not.

1989
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:16,360
Speaker 27: Democrats they fundamentally do not believe in the same things

1990
01:50:16,439 --> 01:50:19,559
Speaker 27: as far as public, safety as far as the seizure

1991
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 27: of private, property as far as celebrating terrorism and stoking Anti,

1992
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:27,559
Speaker 27: semitism and so, yes big. Tent we've always been.

1993
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:29,400
Speaker 5: A big tant no to hijack.

1994
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:32,360
Speaker 27: Tent and the reality is they should start their own

1995
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:34,640
Speaker 27: party and run, there but they know that won't be,

1996
01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:36,960
Speaker 27: successful so they're trying to take over hours and.

1997
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 5: It is a.

1998
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:41,680
Speaker 3: Disaster as already, mentioned Moderate democrats in The house are

1999
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:46,360
Speaker 3: threatening quote unquote, war and high Level Democratic party figures

2000
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:50,639
Speaker 3: have been airing frustrations THAT dsa candidates are benefiting from

2001
01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:54,600
Speaker 3: running on The democratic ballot line while seeking to fundamentally

2002
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:58,320
Speaker 3: change the nature of the party. Itself former chair of THE,

2003
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:02,280
Speaker 3: Dnc Jamie harrison, wrote, QUOTE i say this with no

2004
01:51:02,479 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 3: ill will or. Animosity if you hate The Democratic, party

2005
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:10,720
Speaker 3: then please don't run for our. Nomination don't use our,

2006
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:15,240
Speaker 3: resources don't rely on our, volunteers don't use our, infrastructure

2007
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 3: don't Ask democrats to invest their, time money and energy

2008
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:22,639
Speaker 3: into your. Campaign focus on building the party you actually.

2009
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:26,679
Speaker 3: Support political parties aren't, perfect but they're built by millions

2010
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:30,439
Speaker 3: of people who, knockdoors make, calls organize, meetings and fight

2011
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:33,519
Speaker 3: for the values they believe. In if you don't believe

2012
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:36,320
Speaker 3: in the, party then don't ask its members to carry

2013
01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:40,839
Speaker 3: you across the finish line. Unquote something That Jamie harrison

2014
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:44,200
Speaker 3: seems to not quite, comprehend which makes sense considering is

2015
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 3: the former chair of THE dnc Under Joe, Biden Kamala,

2016
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:51,000
Speaker 3: harris is that party nominees are supposed to be chosen

2017
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:55,880
Speaker 3: by the, voters not party, elites and These Democratic socialist

2018
01:51:55,920 --> 01:52:00,960
Speaker 3: candidates are winning primaries despite strong option position from the

2019
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:05,280
Speaker 3: State democratic, parties entrenched political machines in city, government and

2020
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 3: national establishment. Forces THE dsa has to outorganize The democratic

2021
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:14,840
Speaker 3: establishment and overcome the power of corporate money just to

2022
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:18,479
Speaker 3: get on The democratic ballot line In. November of, course

2023
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:22,719
Speaker 3: IF dsa candidates ran third, party then people Like Jamie

2024
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:26,799
Speaker 3: harrison would just claim that they're spoiler candidates helping THE gop.

2025
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:31,080
Speaker 3: Win there's no satisfying these. People they just have to be.

2026
01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 3: Beaten vice chair of The Manhattan Democratic, Party Mariama james

2027
01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:40,880
Speaker 3: smeared ALL dsa members as having a quote unquote white

2028
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 3: supremacist mindset after she lost the primary For State Assembly

2029
01:52:46,280 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 3: district sixty five In chinatown and The Lower East side

2030
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 3: TO dsa Candidate iyappa Syrit. Pak in this same election,

2031
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 3: cycle THE adl And Congressman Josh gotttheimer Attacked mamdani for

2032
01:52:59,320 --> 01:53:02,559
Speaker 3: referring to dark money super packs like apak as quote

2033
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 3: unquote monsters in reference to The grams sheet quote the

2034
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:09,280
Speaker 3: old world is dying and the new world struggles to be.

2035
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:10,760
Speaker 5: Born now is the time of.

2036
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:15,360
Speaker 3: Monsters THE adl And Congressman gotttheimer claimed that both dark

2037
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:20,839
Speaker 3: money and the word monster invoked Anti semitic. Tropes, meanwhile

2038
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:25,400
Speaker 3: senior advisor To Adriano, espayot chair of The Congressional Spanic,

2039
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:30,479
Speaker 3: caucus who is up Against, chevalier weaponized Anti haitian animus Towards,

2040
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 3: chevalier who Is Afro, latina and on A spanish language,

2041
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 3: podcast spiat's senior advisor said That mamdani wanted to change

2042
01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:43,040
Speaker 3: the demographics of The Washington heights neighborhood In Upper manhattan

2043
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:46,240
Speaker 3: by making it quote no longer be a bastion of

2044
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:51,160
Speaker 3: The dominican, community but instead a bastion of The Haitian muslim.

2045
01:53:51,240 --> 01:53:57,400
Speaker 3: Community allied to him. Unquote Congressman Josh gottheimer responded to

2046
01:53:57,439 --> 01:54:01,160
Speaker 3: the DSA's victory in The democratic primary by continuing to

2047
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:07,480
Speaker 3: attack the Now democratic nominees and released a centrist manifesto rebuking.

2048
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:11,000
Speaker 3: Communism do you, say Asked Mayor Mum donnie about the

2049
01:54:11,080 --> 01:54:14,760
Speaker 3: manifesto and The democratic politicians Like gotttheimer who claimed that

2050
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:16,120
Speaker 3: socialists can't be.

2051
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:20,760
Speaker 23: Democrats Josh, gottheimer A democratic member Of, congress, says many

2052
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:21,800
Speaker 23: of us believe as DO.

2053
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:24,280
Speaker 4: I if you're a, socialist you are not A.

2054
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:27,040
Speaker 23: Democrat and in, fact they put out a manifesto.

2055
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:28,000
Speaker 4: Today have you seen this?

2056
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:29,280
Speaker 5: Thing sounds pretty socialist to.

2057
01:54:29,320 --> 01:54:30,719
Speaker 4: Me it's not a communist.

2058
01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:36,240
Speaker 23: Manifesto it's a moderate manifesto saying we are capitalists and not.

2059
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 23: Socialists we believe in a, growing fair and competitive, economy, entrepreneurship.

2060
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:42,280
Speaker 4: OWNERSHIP i mean this is a direct.

2061
01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:43,760
Speaker 23: Response they've made it clear.

2062
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 5: To what you did here On.

2063
01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 24: Tuesday, WELL i, mean you, know that's, Great but what's

2064
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:49,920
Speaker 24: a party if not its. Voters And i'm proud to

2065
01:54:49,960 --> 01:54:51,360
Speaker 24: sit in front of you as the mayor of our,

2066
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:54,240
Speaker 24: city having received more than a million votes a little

2067
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:57,600
Speaker 24: over a little less than a year. Ago and when

2068
01:54:57,640 --> 01:55:00,840
Speaker 24: we're talking about these incredible congressional can the dates they

2069
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:03,320
Speaker 24: won their races and they won their races with the

2070
01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:05,720
Speaker 24: vision of what politics should be and one that actually

2071
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:08,080
Speaker 24: speaks to working people and for a lot of people

2072
01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:11,520
Speaker 24: who ask themselves what does democratic socialism? Mean and you

2073
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:13,960
Speaker 24: can tell them the. Answer at a theoretical, level it's

2074
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 24: the choice to extend democracy from the ballot box the

2075
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:18,480
Speaker 24: rest of their. Lives but in terms of what it,

2076
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:21,240
Speaker 24: means over these last seven, months we've seen a city

2077
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:23,880
Speaker 24: with democratic socialist principles at the heart of.

2078
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:27,760
Speaker 3: It within our, administration we will return to discuss how

2079
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:32,480
Speaker 3: communists And Miss rachel are teaming up to Destroy america

2080
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:48,000
Speaker 3: after this ad. Break Last, Saturday Fox news write a

2081
01:55:48,040 --> 01:55:52,840
Speaker 3: story about the DSA's new national, Platform Workers Deserve. More

2082
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:53,880
Speaker 3: let's take a.

2083
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:58,600
Speaker 28: Listen Fox news has obtained documents from The Democratic socialists

2084
01:55:58,600 --> 01:56:02,280
Speaker 28: Of america revealing the group's updated, platform which is even

2085
01:56:02,360 --> 01:56:05,960
Speaker 28: more radical than. Before now they plan to release this next.

2086
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:06,600
Speaker 5: Week listen to.

2087
01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:11,320
Speaker 28: This The United States senate eliminated gone The president and

2088
01:56:11,400 --> 01:56:15,920
Speaker 28: The Supreme court replaced The department Of, war defunded all

2089
01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:18,920
Speaker 28: immigrants given. Amnesty that is the.

2090
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:22,560
Speaker 3: Plan the rest of The fox report tried to PAINT

2091
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 3: dsa as being driven by, Anarchists, marxists and crazy communists

2092
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:31,360
Speaker 3: who want to destroy the. Country the report highlighted a

2093
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:35,200
Speaker 3: few of the niche caucuses WITHIN dsa that focus on anti,

2094
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:38,400
Speaker 3: imperialism promote anti, electoralism.

2095
01:56:38,120 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 28: And explicitly push.

2096
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:45,000
Speaker 3: Communism later on in this, segment Former White House Deputy

2097
01:56:45,080 --> 01:56:48,880
Speaker 3: chief Of staff And trump's current top electoral Advisor James

2098
01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:52,400
Speaker 3: blair joined the program to discuss the communist.

2099
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:54,080
Speaker 5: Menace, james this is.

2100
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:55,840
Speaker 28: What you're up against in the, midterms and we keep

2101
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:58,000
Speaker 28: hearing it's A New york, problem except here we. Go

2102
01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:02,280
Speaker 28: there ARE dsa candidates In, Missouri, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida New.

2103
01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:04,920
Speaker 28: Hampshire so what is your plan to defeat these?

2104
01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:06,960
Speaker 5: Radicals, WELL i think.

2105
01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:09,200
Speaker 29: We just have to bring their issues to The american,

2106
01:57:09,240 --> 01:57:11,200
Speaker 29: people and The american people are going to reject. Them

2107
01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:14,880
Speaker 29: let's talk about the views that they're actually espousing and

2108
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:16,160
Speaker 29: what they want to bring to the.

2109
01:57:16,240 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 25: Country you said it as they say in their.

2110
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:22,600
Speaker 29: Documents or all amnesty for all illegal, immigrants no deportations at,

2111
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:23,400
Speaker 29: all not even the.

2112
01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:26,840
Speaker 3: Criminals let me, think when was the last time an

2113
01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:31,240
Speaker 3: unpopular incumbent party failed to address eCOM issues affecting working

2114
01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:33,800
Speaker 3: class voters and just tried to hold onto power by

2115
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:37,840
Speaker 3: fear mongering about the opposition's. Platform oh, yeah twenty twenty,

2116
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:42,120
Speaker 3: four when The democrats tried and failed spectacularly to campaign

2117
01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:46,040
Speaker 3: on Stopping project twenty twenty. Five but now the tables

2118
01:57:46,040 --> 01:57:49,400
Speaker 3: are turned so by all, means Mister, blair don't try

2119
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:53,080
Speaker 3: to offer an actual alternative platform that improves workers'. Lives

2120
01:57:53,520 --> 01:57:57,120
Speaker 3: just tell them all about the DSA's platform, instead especially

2121
01:57:57,240 --> 01:58:00,240
Speaker 3: When ice is historically unpopular and hint seen to not

2122
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:04,360
Speaker 3: murder someone every, Week believe it or. Not This Fox

2123
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:08,839
Speaker 3: news segment actually ended by talking about the threat posed

2124
01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:13,880
Speaker 3: by evil far left communist and children's educational YouTuber Miss.

2125
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:17,600
Speaker 28: Rachel let's remind our viewers Who Miss rachel. Is if

2126
01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:19,320
Speaker 28: your kids do not watch her like, mine do not

2127
01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:33,280
Speaker 28: This Miss. Rachel are you guys afraid to take On Miss?

2128
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:37,640
Speaker 29: RACHEL i would love to take On Miss. Rachel it'll

2129
01:58:37,640 --> 01:58:39,160
Speaker 29: be the end of her, show which would be a

2130
01:58:39,240 --> 01:58:41,880
Speaker 29: service To. America my kids AND i have four under

2131
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:44,080
Speaker 29: the age of. Six they also don't watch. Her she's

2132
01:58:44,160 --> 01:58:47,760
Speaker 29: radically far. Left her show is really about indoctrinating, children and,

2133
01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:49,640
Speaker 29: honestly if that's the fight we have to, Have i'm

2134
01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:50,400
Speaker 29: happy to have it no.

2135
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:51,680
Speaker 5: Problem we will beat her like a.

2136
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:55,000
Speaker 3: Drum, yeah that sure sounds like a message that will

2137
01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:59,280
Speaker 3: resonate with. Voters data For progress ran a survey last

2138
01:58:59,360 --> 01:59:03,640
Speaker 3: month asking for two thousand likely voters what actors are

2139
01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:08,600
Speaker 3: most harmful to our society and the. Economy At number

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Speaker 3: one was, billionaires number two corporate, landlords three, sports, gambling

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Speaker 3: four artificial, intelligence and five. Cryptocurrency The Republican party was

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Speaker 3: found to be the seventh most harmful and The Democratic

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Speaker 3: party was the. Ninth, so despite popular opposition to things

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Speaker 3: THAT dsa candidates are specifically trying to, Address trump seems

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Speaker 3: to believe that just screaming communism will stymy the growth

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Speaker 3: of democratic socialism and scare voters away from voting in

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Speaker 3: their class.

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Speaker 15: Interest liberal became so, tarnished but now it's. Communists you,

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Speaker 15: know they say social. Democrats no social democrat is a,

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Speaker 15: communist all, right you, see and then say there's No

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Speaker 15: so if you look at the people that are, running

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Speaker 15: it's crazy what they're. Doing but we will we'll never

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Speaker 15: let that happen to this. Country can't happen to the Count.

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Speaker 15: Canada there's no appetite for.

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Speaker 3: It if there's no appetite for. It how Come Bernie

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Speaker 3: sanders And Zorn mamdani are the two most popular sitting

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Speaker 3: politicians in the. Country how come one in Ten mamdnni

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Speaker 3: voters voted For trump in twenty twenty. Four that's over

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Speaker 3: one hundred thousand voters who Backed trump and then a

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Speaker 3: year later voted For. Mamdanni candidates Like zoron are not

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Speaker 3: just appealing to a sizable portion of people who Voted,

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Speaker 3: trump but are also pulling in new voters who, might

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Speaker 3: for the first time in their, lives actually have something

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Speaker 3: to vote. For In New York, city around two hundred

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Speaker 3: and sixty thousand people registered to vote in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 3: five more than double that of the last mayoral election

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. One almost two thirds of those new

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Speaker 3: voters were under the age of. THIRTY A cato pull

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Speaker 3: from Late june found that among millennials, fifth twenty percent

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Speaker 3: were favorable towards, capitalism but forty percent were favorable to

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Speaker 3: socialism and twenty nine percent were favorable towards. Communism these

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Speaker 3: percentages total over one hundred because this was a multiple choice,

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Speaker 3: selection but the numbers among gen z are even more.

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Speaker 3: Striking according to This cato, poll fifty three percent of

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Speaker 3: GEN z respondents were favorable towards, socialism forty five percent to,

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Speaker 3: capitalism and thirty eight percent to. Communism The New York

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Speaker 3: times ran an article this Past tuesday about how support

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Speaker 3: FOR nycdsa candidates in the last election was not divided by,

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Speaker 3: race but rather by, age with older voters tending to

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Speaker 3: support establishment candidates while younger voters backed insurgent. CHALLENGERS A

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Speaker 3: yugov poll From june twenty ninth showed that the favorability

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Speaker 3: of socialism was at fifty eight percent Among democrats and

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Speaker 3: just eleven percent. Unfavorable among, independents socialism was thirty four

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Speaker 3: percent unfavorable to thirty percent, favorable and Among republicans seventy

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Speaker 3: one percent unfavorable to eleven percent. Favorable An echelon poll

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Speaker 3: from Early july asked democrats should THE dsa have a

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Speaker 3: larger or smaller influence on The Democratic party than they currently.

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Speaker 3: Do forty six percent Of democrats said THE dsa should

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Speaker 3: have a larger, influence twenty one percent said, smaller and

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Speaker 3: thirty three percent were. Unsure following the DSA's congressional victories last,

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Speaker 3: month there have been multiple think pieces in The atlantic

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Speaker 3: about how THE dsa has gotten too radical and abandoned

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Speaker 3: its social democratic, roots and how quote Unquote democrats became

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Speaker 3: great by fighting the left in the postwar, period when

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Speaker 3: liberals fought off a communist incursion into The Democratic party

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Speaker 3: led By Henry, wallace former vice president TO. Fdr an

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Speaker 3: opinion piece in The Washington post penned by the president

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Speaker 3: and executive vice president of the centrist think Tank Third

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Speaker 3: way argued that quote DSA's radicalism makes it not a

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Speaker 3: faction to be, appeased but a movement to be. Opposed

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Speaker 3: they insist that democratic socialist ideas are quote unquote electoral,

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Speaker 3: poison and claim that quote far left governance has also

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Speaker 3: been a, failure while ignoring the biggest most recent example

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Speaker 3: of far left Governance New York. City on first, glance

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Speaker 3: this piece in The Washington post presents a contradictory problem

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Speaker 3: THAT dsa will Hand republicans perfect attack ad fodder that

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Speaker 3: will Tank democrats electoral, chances especially in swing. States but

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Speaker 3: on the other, hand they believe the biggest threat posed

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Speaker 3: BY dsa is that their candidates are continuing to win

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Speaker 3: elections and may thus transform the makeup of The Democratic,

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Speaker 3: party or as the author's, right the DSA's commitment is

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Speaker 3: to quote hallowing out The Democratic party from within by

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Speaker 3: primarying Sitting democrats and replacing them with quote unquote ideological.

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Speaker 3: Zealots to this, point the authors directly compare dsay's wave

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Speaker 3: of success to The Republican Tea party movement from around

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Speaker 3: twenty ten that reshaped THE gop and set the stage

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Speaker 3: For trump to come rolling in and slingshot The republicans into.

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Speaker 3: Power they wrote that for years The Tea party quote

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Speaker 3: looked like self. Sabotage then a charismatic outsider, arrived harnessed

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Speaker 3: the energy The Tea party, fomented and took over The Republican.

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Speaker 3: Party democrats who assume a takeover can't happen have learned

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Speaker 3: nothing from the death of The party Of. Reagan THE

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Speaker 3: dsay is building a left wing ideological movement waiting for

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Speaker 3: its standard bearer. Unquote so THE dsa is both electoral

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Speaker 3: poison but also risks being so popular and so successful

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Speaker 3: that democratic socialism could take over The Democratic. Party despite

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Speaker 3: all the concern, trolling the author's real fear isn't that

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Speaker 3: DSA's radical rhetoric will Sabotage democrats' ability to win, elections

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Speaker 3: but that the DSA's recent victories could very well lead

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Speaker 3: to A Democratic party with workers at the, forefront and

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Speaker 3: such a party would threaten the class interests of think

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Speaker 3: take gules like those At Third. Way one of the

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Speaker 3: biggest results of DSA's electoral, strategy beyond winning, seats is

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Speaker 3: Reorienting american politics back to a class based understanding of,

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Speaker 3: politics whether that's framed in red scare terms like capitalism versus,

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Speaker 3: communism more slopulist rhetoric like regular people versus the quote

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Speaker 3: Unquote epstein in, class or simply the working class against

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Speaker 3: the bipartisan. Elites the DSA's momentum and this new red

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Speaker 3: scare point to a return of class struggle, politics and

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Speaker 3: this is the result Of Democratic, socialists especially The New

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Speaker 3: york chapter OF, dsa who have been slowly building power

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Speaker 3: the past, decade experimenting winning local races and increasing their organizational.

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Speaker 3: Capacity after the twenty twenty four, election The Democratic party

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Speaker 3: was in a uniquely compromised. State then State assembly members

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Speaker 3: Or mumdani and THE dsa seized on this opportunity to

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Speaker 3: redefine what democratic politics are show that they can win

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Speaker 3: and demonstrate that they can succeed at governing and advancing

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Speaker 3: the interests of the working class in the biggest city

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Speaker 3: in the. Country while reacting To Maya Mumdani's Independence day,

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Speaker 3: Speech Steve bannon cautioned against dismissing the threat posed By.

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Speaker 3: Mamdani this is quite.

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Speaker 30: Serious if you dismiss this guy and dismiss the people around,

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Speaker 30: him and dismiss the money in back of, him you

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Speaker 30: are missing something that's more powerful Than.

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Speaker 4: Obama and it's not just this, guy it's the team around.

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Speaker 3: Him of, Course Steve bannon cannot understand that something Like

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Speaker 3: momdani isn't the result of big, money but rather regular,

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Speaker 3: people individual, donors and one hundred thousand volunteers who actually

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Speaker 3: believe in fighting for a positive political. Project the next

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Speaker 3: major test of that project will be In, wisconsin Where

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Speaker 3: Democratic socialist candidate To Francesca hang is running for. Governor

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Speaker 3: if she wins her upcoming primary Come, november this election

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Speaker 3: will be the biggest test case to see If Democratic

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Speaker 3: socialists can organize and win statewide in a swing.

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Speaker 5: State see you on the other, side it could happen.

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Speaker 3: Here executive disorder our weekly newscast covering what's happening in

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Speaker 3: The White, house the crumbling, world and what it means for.

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Speaker 3: You I'm Garrison davis today'm joined By Mia. Wong this,

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Speaker 3: episode we are covering the week Of july eighth To july.

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Speaker 3: FIFTEENTH a totally different war In iran has. Started god

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Speaker 3: And ice has killed two people this. Week James stout

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Speaker 3: will have a segment on that later this, episode but

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Speaker 3: let's start with a few small. Things mitch McConnell has

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Speaker 3: entered into a pact with the Demon, methastopheles who extend

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Speaker 3: his life in exchange for the death of. Another in other,

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Speaker 3: news four Term Senator Lindsey graham has died following what

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Speaker 3: his office calls a quote unquote brief and sudden.

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Speaker 5: ILLNESS i want TO i want to take two seconds

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Speaker 5: to speak ill of the. Man SO i found this

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Speaker 5: out From sophie messaging us in the group, chat AND

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Speaker 5: i fully read the title of the article and clicked on,

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Speaker 5: it AND i fully read the Words Lindsay, graham and

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Speaker 5: my brain, went, well obviously It's misch. McConnell someone made

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Speaker 5: a typo or something in the. Headline it wasn't even

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Speaker 5: LIKE i thought it was a. Typo it's, like, fully

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Speaker 5: my brain refused to process that it. Was Lindsay gram,

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Speaker 5: Said ach.

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Speaker 3: McConnell what a bait and switch, though like an incredible

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Speaker 3: an incredible week And senate.

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Speaker 5: Politics, yeah oh my, god completely. Wild the second THING

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Speaker 5: i want to say ill of him was there's a

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Speaker 5: very Funny axios thing where he's talking about how he's

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Speaker 5: not gonna go to the hospital and he can't die

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Speaker 5: because he has to do like terriffs and then also

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Speaker 5: specifically he has to Do Israel Saudi arabia. Normalization he

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Speaker 5: has to, establish, Yeah Israel's Israel saudi relationship and this

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Speaker 5: is this IS i, think how how he should go

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Speaker 5: out being, remembered which is trying trying to brow for

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Speaker 5: an alliance between like the world's worst monarchy and like

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Speaker 5: one of the world's worst EBox sees two of the

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Speaker 5: most evil countries in the, world like two of the top,

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Speaker 5: five which is really. Impressive right now we're up there. Too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah On saturday, NIGHT ems responded to a call for

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Speaker 3: quote unquote cardiac arrest At Graham's Capitol hill, home according

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Speaker 3: to police scanner, audio and On Sunday graham's office announced

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Speaker 3: the preliminary cause of death was a rupture of his

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Speaker 3: iorda due to a hardening of his. Arteries that same,

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Speaker 3: Day mitch McConnell posted a photo Holding today's a. Newspaper On,

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Speaker 3: Monday trump went On newsmax to say That graham's death

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Speaker 3: actually wasn't related to his artery, problems and instead he

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Speaker 3: died of heart. Complications, QUOTE a certain part of his

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Speaker 3: body literally blew. Up let's play the.

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Speaker 5: Clip you have any suspicions or. Worry do you think

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Speaker 5: we know the whole story about his? Death, WELL i

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Speaker 5: think we.

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Speaker 16: Do we've had great doctors and they talked, about you,

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Speaker 16: know a certain part of his body literally blew.

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Speaker 5: Up and that's a CONDITION i believe his father.

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Speaker 12: Had also his father also had the part of body

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Speaker 12: blows up. Condition, GOD i part of me hopes that

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Speaker 12: there is a hell and That Lindsay graham is looking

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Speaker 12: up like in hell and seeing that this is What Donald,

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Speaker 12: trump the man who he just, like turned his entire

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Speaker 12: career into.

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Speaker 3: Backing the saying about him and to his, Day trump

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Speaker 3: addressed some whirling conspiracy theories Around graham's, death whether or

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Speaker 3: not he was poisoned by The russians or other nefarious

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Speaker 3: acts may have taken, place And trump just, said, QUOTE

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Speaker 3: i know there's all sorts of conspiracy theories going, around

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Speaker 3: AND i think THE fbi is wasting their time if

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Speaker 3: they are doing.

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Speaker 12: That.

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Speaker 3: Unquote that's in reference to a post made By Cash

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Speaker 3: fattel Following graham's, death which was mostly like an ordinary

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Speaker 3: like memorial, statement but curiously it ended with this sentence,

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Speaker 3: quote THE fbi is assisting local, authorities and it's made

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Speaker 3: every necessary resource available. UNQUOTE i think this Is patel

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Speaker 3: just being a kind of like a. Moron, YEAH i

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Speaker 3: was TALKING i was talking With Molly conger about this

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Speaker 3: earlier this, week and she said That patel often makes

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Speaker 3: kind of posts like this following like big national news

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Speaker 3: just because he like is still caught in like the

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Speaker 3: content creator mindset of just you have to like comment

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Speaker 3: on everything and like relate it back to yourself in some.

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Speaker 3: Way now that THE fbi did like go through Like

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Speaker 3: graham's home and like that's that's pretty. Ordinary but BUT

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Speaker 3: i think a post like this, is, YEAH i don't

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02:12:54,080 --> 02:12:58,240
Speaker 3: think indicating a larger conspiracy or foul play at, work

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02:12:58,280 --> 02:13:01,920
Speaker 3: and is kind of just a an oversight made By

2350
02:13:01,960 --> 02:13:04,360
Speaker 3: patel not really thinking about the consequences of his.

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02:13:04,480 --> 02:13:07,600
Speaker 5: Actions, yeah and like part of the consequences is that

2352
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:10,400
Speaker 5: like a huge portion of the right is convinced that

2353
02:13:10,640 --> 02:13:14,880
Speaker 5: he was killed by some nebulous. Force there's like five

2354
02:13:15,000 --> 02:13:17,720
Speaker 5: thousand different unhinged theories as to who killed him or.

2355
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:21,600
Speaker 5: Whatever but, like, no he's just. Old, no his body

2356
02:13:21,680 --> 02:13:22,320
Speaker 5: just literally blew.

2357
02:13:22,400 --> 02:13:29,600
Speaker 3: Up, now Following Lindsey graham's, death his, Sister Darlene Graham,

2358
02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:34,760
Speaker 3: nordon was appointed By South Carolina Governor henry McMaster to

2359
02:13:34,920 --> 02:13:38,280
Speaker 3: serve the remainder Of graham's, term which ends In. JANUARY

2360
02:13:38,520 --> 02:13:39,840
Speaker 3: i didn't know you could just do. That you can

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02:13:39,960 --> 02:13:42,320
Speaker 3: just call if oh, yeah WELL i know, YOU i

2362
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:48,040
Speaker 3: know the governor, appoints but just calling up the dead

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02:13:48,160 --> 02:13:49,080
Speaker 3: senator's sister to.

2364
02:13:49,120 --> 02:13:51,120
Speaker 5: Be, like, hey do you want to fill? In there

2365
02:13:51,240 --> 02:13:54,000
Speaker 5: was some election where Like Alan ashcroft lost an election

2366
02:13:54,120 --> 02:13:55,560
Speaker 5: to a dead, guy AND i think they put his

2367
02:13:55,640 --> 02:13:59,000
Speaker 5: spouse in office or something, Afterwards so, LIKE i guess

2368
02:13:59,080 --> 02:14:03,480
Speaker 5: there is president for this extremely baffling. Shit it's pretty.

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02:14:03,560 --> 02:14:06,920
Speaker 3: Remarkable Lindsay graham had actually just won The republican nomination

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02:14:07,120 --> 02:14:11,120
Speaker 3: for his fifth, term but Now South carolina will hold

2371
02:14:11,120 --> 02:14:14,120
Speaker 3: a special election next month to select a new, Nominee

2372
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:17,120
Speaker 3: Nancy masistner hat into the. Ring we'll see if anything

2373
02:14:17,200 --> 02:14:22,600
Speaker 3: comes to. That so week was off to uh kind

2374
02:14:22,640 --> 02:14:26,560
Speaker 3: of an okay, START i. Guess in other, news in

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02:14:26,720 --> 02:14:29,800
Speaker 3: a three hundred and eight to one hundred and seventeen,

2376
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:33,480
Speaker 3: vote The house passed legislation to make daylight savings time permanent.

2377
02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:37,080
Speaker 3: Nationwide the bill is supported By, trump and if passed

2378
02:14:37,120 --> 02:14:39,640
Speaker 3: by The, senate it would end the twice a year clock.

2379
02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:44,160
Speaker 3: Changes pack it, up. Folks Hunter biden sat down With

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02:14:44,360 --> 02:14:49,320
Speaker 3: Nick fuentes On Andrew Callahan's channel five podcast this. Week Oh,

2381
02:14:49,640 --> 02:14:54,360
Speaker 3: god legitimate nightmare blunt. Rotation, Yeah i've never been on

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02:14:54,440 --> 02:14:59,560
Speaker 3: the Pro Hunter biden, Train, no because he is obviously

2383
02:14:59,600 --> 02:15:03,040
Speaker 3: he's In, sartain no way related to mine or that

2384
02:15:03,320 --> 02:15:07,040
Speaker 3: of you, know regular. People but hopefully this will will

2385
02:15:07,320 --> 02:15:10,160
Speaker 3: stop the Whole Hunter Biden's stan community.

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02:15:10,240 --> 02:15:13,520
Speaker 5: Online. YEAH i also just want to mention BECAUSE i

2387
02:15:13,560 --> 02:15:17,240
Speaker 5: think people don't know who this guy is or remember.

2388
02:15:17,400 --> 02:15:19,800
Speaker 5: It but, yeah there have been a curie as those

2389
02:15:19,800 --> 02:15:25,320
Speaker 5: sexual assault allegations Against Andrew. Callahan and also, yeah part

2390
02:15:25,360 --> 02:15:26,400
Speaker 5: of the nightmare or blunt.

2391
02:15:26,520 --> 02:15:29,800
Speaker 3: Rotation Andrew callahan is one hundred percent part of nightmare blunt.

2392
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:32,280
Speaker 3: Rotation oh, yeah, YEAH i JUST i just want to

2393
02:15:32,280 --> 02:15:35,360
Speaker 3: make it clear that he. Is, yes this is absolutely his.

2394
02:15:35,520 --> 02:15:40,720
Speaker 3: Crowd in some better, news The trump administration is abandoning

2395
02:15:40,840 --> 02:15:44,040
Speaker 3: a proposed rule change to Block medicare And medicaid funding

2396
02:15:44,160 --> 02:15:47,880
Speaker 3: to hospitals that provide gender affirming care to trans. Youth

2397
02:15:48,720 --> 02:15:52,360
Speaker 3: over thirty thousand comments were submitted following the proposal Last.

2398
02:15:52,440 --> 02:15:55,560
Speaker 3: December medical groups like The American Medical association and The

2399
02:15:55,680 --> 02:15:59,080
Speaker 3: Children's Hospital association pushed back on the. Proposal the vast

2400
02:15:59,120 --> 02:16:03,720
Speaker 3: majority of those thirty thousand comments were against this proposed rule.

2401
02:16:03,800 --> 02:16:06,280
Speaker 5: Change this is, Good this is a good.

2402
02:16:06,360 --> 02:16:09,480
Speaker 3: Thing this was a big threat that prompted hospitals to

2403
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:12,480
Speaker 3: comply in, advance and they should not have done, that

2404
02:16:12,600 --> 02:16:14,800
Speaker 3: and that is. Bad and we still don't know if

2405
02:16:15,280 --> 02:16:18,920
Speaker 3: those hospitals will reinstate. Care yeah, yeah and they should

2406
02:16:18,920 --> 02:16:22,520
Speaker 3: still be pressured. Yep and obviously the administration is still

2407
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:27,080
Speaker 3: going after trans youth care, specifically they're still trying to

2408
02:16:27,400 --> 02:16:30,640
Speaker 3: go after patient records and are targeting specific hospitals with criminal.

2409
02:16:30,680 --> 02:16:34,840
Speaker 3: Subpoenas not all those subpoenas have been. Successful but this

2410
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:37,480
Speaker 3: is good news about this proposed rule.

2411
02:16:37,600 --> 02:16:37,840
Speaker 4: Change.

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02:16:38,240 --> 02:16:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah On, Friday Fergie, chambers self styled quote unquote anti,

2413
02:16:44,840 --> 02:16:48,680
Speaker 3: imperialist communist and multimillion dollar air to The cox family,

2414
02:16:48,800 --> 02:16:53,280
Speaker 3: fortune was detained In, Ibeza spain under requests from THE

2415
02:16:53,560 --> 02:16:57,960
Speaker 3: Us Justice, department who is attempting to Extradite chambers back

2416
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:02,320
Speaker 3: to The states and is being charged with international money

2417
02:17:02,400 --> 02:17:06,160
Speaker 3: laundering with intent to provide material support to foreign terrorist

2418
02:17:06,320 --> 02:17:11,199
Speaker 3: organizations Likely. Hamas the past few, Years chambers has donated

2419
02:17:11,240 --> 02:17:16,039
Speaker 3: millions to Pro palestinian causes and has been globe trotting

2420
02:17:16,320 --> 02:17:20,920
Speaker 3: the past few. Months this is a political. Prosecution whether

2421
02:17:21,000 --> 02:17:24,080
Speaker 3: or not you Like chambers or disagree with parts of his,

2422
02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:27,840
Speaker 3: politics this is probably a bad thing and a bad

2423
02:17:28,040 --> 02:17:32,000
Speaker 3: sign for Pro palestinian politics across The United. States oh,

2424
02:17:32,120 --> 02:17:35,800
Speaker 3: Yeah spain has like forty days to decide if they're

2425
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:40,000
Speaker 3: going to comply with the extradition, request And chambers has

2426
02:17:40,080 --> 02:17:43,640
Speaker 3: a bail hearing On thursday to see if he will

2427
02:17:43,760 --> 02:17:50,680
Speaker 3: remain in the. Tension speaking of international far left, terrorism On,

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02:17:50,840 --> 02:17:55,080
Speaker 3: Thursday july, Sixteenth Marco rubia will be holding an international

2429
02:17:55,200 --> 02:17:57,960
Speaker 3: meeting at The State department focused on the threat Of

2430
02:17:58,040 --> 02:18:03,240
Speaker 3: antifa and the quote resurgence of transnational far left. Terrorism

2431
02:18:04,800 --> 02:18:09,280
Speaker 3: according to The Washington, Post ford senior ministers from more

2432
02:18:09,320 --> 02:18:15,000
Speaker 3: than sixty countries were, invited though many will be unlikely

2433
02:18:15,160 --> 02:18:18,600
Speaker 3: to attend due to the meetings vague aims and short.

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02:18:18,720 --> 02:18:22,560
Speaker 3: Notice One european diplomat told The Washington post they were

2435
02:18:22,640 --> 02:18:26,320
Speaker 3: confused as to why they were. Invited, quote we don't have.

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02:18:26,440 --> 02:18:30,760
Speaker 3: Antifa another said, quote our law enforcement authorities have not

2437
02:18:30,879 --> 02:18:33,920
Speaker 3: focused on left wing terrorism because that is not considered

2438
02:18:33,959 --> 02:18:35,440
Speaker 3: a high priority threat in our.

2439
02:18:35,560 --> 02:18:40,240
Speaker 5: Country. Unquote The Washington.

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02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:42,920
Speaker 3: Post also reported that SOME us officials will not be

2441
02:18:42,959 --> 02:18:46,960
Speaker 3: attending this meeting out of growing fear that the increased

2442
02:18:47,000 --> 02:18:51,000
Speaker 3: targeting of far left activists may backfire on conservatives Once

2443
02:18:51,080 --> 02:18:51,880
Speaker 3: trump is out of.

2444
02:18:51,959 --> 02:18:56,840
Speaker 5: Office in fear.

2445
02:18:57,000 --> 02:19:03,040
Speaker 3: Motheruners so we are recording this before the summit is

2446
02:19:03,080 --> 02:19:05,160
Speaker 3: going to take. Place if something comes of, it we

2447
02:19:05,360 --> 02:19:07,040
Speaker 3: may report on it later.

2448
02:19:07,160 --> 02:19:07,200
Speaker 30: On.

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02:19:08,080 --> 02:19:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah in More Mark Rubio, News secretary Of State Mark

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02:19:12,680 --> 02:19:16,560
Speaker 3: rubio announced On monday that The United states is launching

2451
02:19:16,600 --> 02:19:21,440
Speaker 3: a campaign to dismantle The International Criminal, court Which rubio

2452
02:19:21,560 --> 02:19:22,880
Speaker 3: says Threatens american.

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02:19:23,000 --> 02:19:26,360
Speaker 5: Sovereignty we're not even in. It we're not even in THE.

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02:19:26,560 --> 02:19:28,959
Speaker 10: Icc what are we doing here?

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02:19:29,240 --> 02:19:33,120
Speaker 3: Now THE icc has has attracted the eyr of. Conservatives yeah,

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02:19:33,240 --> 02:19:37,480
Speaker 3: yeah ever since its. Inception. Yeah but this Week rubio

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02:19:37,640 --> 02:19:40,600
Speaker 3: announced the launch of a whole of government effort that

2458
02:19:40,720 --> 02:19:44,119
Speaker 3: will use quote all the tools at our government's disposal

2459
02:19:44,560 --> 02:19:48,360
Speaker 3: to take on the. Court reuters reported debt options being

2460
02:19:48,400 --> 02:19:53,320
Speaker 3: considered include quote travel, bands visa, restrictions increased sanctions against

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02:19:53,400 --> 02:19:57,560
Speaker 3: THE icc and affiliated, organizations and diplomatic pressure on other

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02:19:57,720 --> 02:19:59,880
Speaker 3: nations to withdraw from The international Crem.

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02:20:00,240 --> 02:20:00,480
Speaker 4: Court.

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02:20:00,879 --> 02:20:05,119
Speaker 5: Quote rubio penned an opinion piece in The Wall Street,

2465
02:20:05,360 --> 02:20:11,240
Speaker 5: journal which is behind a, paywall incredible explaining quote why

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02:20:11,400 --> 02:20:15,320
Speaker 5: we're dismantling The International Criminal, Court And i'll quote from

2467
02:20:15,560 --> 02:20:16,600
Speaker 5: from the piece. Here.

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02:20:17,080 --> 02:20:21,240
Speaker 3: Quote last, year major activist groups urged high ranking international

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02:20:21,280 --> 02:20:25,080
Speaker 3: officials quote to take immediate and meaningful action against The

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02:20:25,080 --> 02:20:29,040
Speaker 3: trump administration's deportation of violent criminals To El. Salvador months,

2471
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:33,600
Speaker 3: later a FORMER icc chief prosecutor Declared President trump's strikes

2472
02:20:33,640 --> 02:20:37,680
Speaker 3: against narco terrorists amounted to a quote unquote crime against

2473
02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:41,680
Speaker 3: humanity and should be treated as such under international, law

2474
02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:44,360
Speaker 3: a line that was echoed By United nations leaders and

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02:20:44,520 --> 02:20:50,760
Speaker 3: major leftist non governmental, organizations democratic party, officials and. Politicians In,

2476
02:20:50,920 --> 02:20:54,480
Speaker 3: march The washington Based democracy for The Arab World now

2477
02:20:55,280 --> 02:21:00,440
Speaker 3: urged The iranian regime to request AN icc investigation of

2478
02:21:00,520 --> 02:21:05,760
Speaker 3: quote unquote apparent war crimes committed By american personnel unquote war.

2479
02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:08,600
Speaker 5: Crimes enjoyer hates the people who every once in a

2480
02:21:08,640 --> 02:21:10,880
Speaker 5: blue moon sort of do something about war.

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02:21:10,959 --> 02:21:11,240
Speaker 4: Crimes.

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02:21:11,320 --> 02:21:14,280
Speaker 3: Guys huh, Yeah, SO i mean this shows that there

2483
02:21:14,360 --> 02:21:16,800
Speaker 3: is at least some level of fear in The trump

2484
02:21:16,800 --> 02:21:19,760
Speaker 3: administration or The State department that strikes on boats off

2485
02:21:19,800 --> 02:21:23,920
Speaker 3: the coast Of, venezuela disappearing immigrants into An El salvadoran,

2486
02:21:23,959 --> 02:21:28,560
Speaker 3: prison and strikes on civilian infrastructure and civilians In iran

2487
02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:32,480
Speaker 3: could result in at least some sort of pressure being

2488
02:21:32,520 --> 02:21:36,560
Speaker 3: applied on THE us from THE. Icc rubio wants to

2489
02:21:36,720 --> 02:21:40,400
Speaker 3: get ahead of that in some. WAY i don't think this.

2490
02:21:40,440 --> 02:21:40,920
Speaker 5: Will be very.

2491
02:21:40,959 --> 02:21:44,120
Speaker 3: Successful THE us doesn't really hold much diplomatic power right.

2492
02:21:44,200 --> 02:21:47,080
Speaker 3: Now it's this kind of, posturing this posturing that we've

2493
02:21:47,120 --> 02:21:51,119
Speaker 3: seen From republican administrations, before especially in the twenty. Tens

2494
02:21:51,680 --> 02:21:55,520
Speaker 3: BUT i think this is interesting and worth. Noting, lastly

2495
02:21:55,680 --> 02:21:59,560
Speaker 3: one more small news. Item Jake tapper is a, sniveling

2496
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:04,120
Speaker 3: diesel coward and. Fraud On Sunday, Check taffer Interviewed President,

2497
02:22:04,160 --> 02:22:08,360
Speaker 3: trump and let's take a look at his hard hitting.

2498
02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:12,680
Speaker 5: Questions iron has declared the strait of horror moves.

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02:22:12,760 --> 02:22:14,840
Speaker 31: Closed is that, true mister, President.

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02:22:16,120 --> 02:22:17,280
Speaker 5: It's open as far as we're.

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02:22:17,320 --> 02:22:18,760
Speaker 4: Concerned don't talk about.

2502
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:20,439
Speaker 5: It talk about the reason.

2503
02:22:20,280 --> 02:22:20,920
Speaker 12: That you asked me to.

2504
02:22:21,040 --> 02:22:21,280
Speaker 10: Speak.

2505
02:22:21,560 --> 02:22:23,320
Speaker 5: Okay we appreciate your, time.

2506
02:22:23,400 --> 02:22:28,879
Speaker 3: Sir, Okay oh, boy incredible journalism on display AT. Cnn

2507
02:22:29,480 --> 02:22:32,760
Speaker 3: tapper finished this quote unquote interview by talking out The

2508
02:22:32,760 --> 02:22:34,000
Speaker 3: president just a little bit.

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02:22:34,120 --> 02:22:36,520
Speaker 31: More, WELL i know you don't want to talk about

2510
02:22:36,520 --> 02:22:39,560
Speaker 31: any other issues out of respect For Lindsey, graham but

2511
02:22:39,600 --> 02:22:41,320
Speaker 31: we would love to have you back sometime BECAUSE i

2512
02:22:41,640 --> 02:22:43,080
Speaker 31: do have a lot of other questions for, you.

2513
02:22:43,160 --> 02:22:44,120
Speaker 5: Sir we'll do.

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02:22:44,280 --> 02:22:45,120
Speaker 15: That we'll do.

2515
02:22:45,280 --> 02:22:46,519
Speaker 4: That thank you for calling.

2516
02:22:48,600 --> 02:22:50,520
Speaker 6: In a normal, path and we'll do.

2517
02:22:50,680 --> 02:22:52,400
Speaker 31: That, Well i'm on a normal path right, here, Sir

2518
02:22:52,440 --> 02:22:54,360
Speaker 31: AND i appreciate your time and thank you for calling.

2519
02:22:54,440 --> 02:22:56,120
Speaker 6: In, okay thanks so.

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02:22:56,640 --> 02:23:00,320
Speaker 5: Much i'm a good little, boy mister. President please please

2521
02:23:00,480 --> 02:23:03,520
Speaker 5: please like. Me i've been. GOOD i won't challenge you on.

2522
02:23:03,640 --> 02:23:06,640
Speaker 5: ANYTHING i swear the most stolerashing part Of this is

2523
02:23:06,720 --> 02:23:10,040
Speaker 5: like all of this like, sniveling like boot, licking didn't

2524
02:23:10,040 --> 02:23:12,959
Speaker 5: even get him an in person. Interview this is a phone,

2525
02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:15,080
Speaker 5: call like come, On.

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02:23:15,959 --> 02:23:18,040
Speaker 3: I'm no fan of the, man but recently he has

2527
02:23:18,120 --> 02:23:22,080
Speaker 3: been appealing To trump a lot, more and to, me

2528
02:23:22,160 --> 02:23:25,240
Speaker 3: it kind of seems like he's trying out For David

2529
02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:29,480
Speaker 3: ellison in case the PARAMOUNT wb deal goes through and

2530
02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:32,199
Speaker 3: that results In Barry weiss or someone of that ilk

2531
02:23:32,400 --> 02:23:35,560
Speaker 3: being put in charge OF. Cnn SO i think that in,

2532
02:23:35,720 --> 02:23:38,800
Speaker 3: Part tapper is trying to demonstrate to those people that

2533
02:23:39,040 --> 02:23:43,039
Speaker 3: he will play, ball Whereas Cooper. Anderson cooper has has

2534
02:23:43,080 --> 02:23:46,640
Speaker 3: said if that, happens he will not work for someone

2535
02:23:46,720 --> 02:23:49,840
Speaker 3: Like Barry, weiss as he has left Sixty, minutes which

2536
02:23:49,879 --> 02:23:52,959
Speaker 3: has been put Under Barry weiss's, control though he remains AT.

2537
02:23:53,040 --> 02:23:56,960
Speaker 3: Cnn that's all for our first. Segment we will come

2538
02:23:57,040 --> 02:24:00,640
Speaker 3: back with a special report From James stout on two

2539
02:24:00,879 --> 02:24:05,600
Speaker 3: ice killings and the New Ish war With.

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02:24:05,800 --> 02:24:22,000
Speaker 5: Iran, okay we are. Back here's our segment From James.

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Speaker 18: Stout, hi, everyone it's Me. JAMES i am calling in

2542
02:24:27,200 --> 02:24:30,879
Speaker 18: from Front range In. Colorado apologies if by sound. TIRED

2543
02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:34,199
Speaker 18: i have slept approximately three hours in the last twenty

2544
02:24:34,240 --> 02:24:37,840
Speaker 18: Four BUT i am joining you today to talk about

2545
02:24:37,879 --> 02:24:40,880
Speaker 18: two things which you can probably guess if you follow

2546
02:24:40,920 --> 02:24:42,400
Speaker 18: the needs at. ALL i want to start out With

2547
02:24:42,520 --> 02:24:46,000
Speaker 18: iran and then we're going to talk about. It hostd

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02:24:46,280 --> 02:24:48,720
Speaker 18: bepinion in THE usa And iran have resumed in a

2549
02:24:48,800 --> 02:24:50,920
Speaker 18: new and of course totally different war that in no

2550
02:24:51,120 --> 02:24:55,920
Speaker 18: way requires congressional. Authorization THE usa carried out four consecutive

2551
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:58,040
Speaker 18: nights of strikes on the day of, recording which Is.

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02:24:58,080 --> 02:25:01,480
Speaker 18: Wednesday they carried those out in Side, iran While iran

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02:25:01,640 --> 02:25:04,960
Speaker 18: once again attempted to close the straight Up hormuz ring

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02:25:05,040 --> 02:25:08,360
Speaker 18: on ships in The. Strait in, addition The iranians have Struk,

2555
02:25:08,440 --> 02:25:10,800
Speaker 18: kata which has been a mediator in talks between them

2556
02:25:10,840 --> 02:25:14,240
Speaker 18: and The United states as well as other countries in

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02:25:14,320 --> 02:25:15,039
Speaker 18: the region and what it.

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02:25:15,080 --> 02:25:16,560
Speaker 8: Perceives to BE us allies and.

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02:25:16,720 --> 02:25:20,440
Speaker 18: Assets at the time of recording On wednesday, night we

2560
02:25:20,560 --> 02:25:23,480
Speaker 18: have gone from sporadic strike to the full on beating

2561
02:25:23,560 --> 02:25:26,200
Speaker 18: of the drums of war. Again The United states has

2562
02:25:26,280 --> 02:25:29,200
Speaker 18: returned to its previous blockade Of. Iran according to S

2563
02:25:29,720 --> 02:25:32,680
Speaker 18: Senkam's Central command is the military command that covers that.

2564
02:25:32,720 --> 02:25:34,000
Speaker 8: Region Ten kom.

2565
02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:37,760
Speaker 18: Also used one way surface drones to Strike iranian port.

2566
02:25:37,800 --> 02:25:41,039
Speaker 18: Facilities this is the first documented use of these course

2567
02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:43,880
Speaker 18: heir drones in this. Capacity if you're thinking about how

2568
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:45,520
Speaker 18: to picture this in your, mind think about a remote

2569
02:25:45,560 --> 02:25:48,080
Speaker 18: control boat much bigger than your average toy, boat but

2570
02:25:48,560 --> 02:25:51,640
Speaker 18: much smaller than a warship size with jet ski, maybe

2571
02:25:51,920 --> 02:25:56,680
Speaker 18: and these are laiden with, explosives piloted to a target

2572
02:25:56,760 --> 02:25:59,320
Speaker 18: and then they detonate Rent that's why they're called one.

2573
02:25:59,400 --> 02:26:03,000
Speaker 18: Way prefer the term suicide. Drone it's not the drone that's,

2574
02:26:03,080 --> 02:26:05,840
Speaker 18: dying it's. PEOPLE i don't like to trying to muddy

2575
02:26:05,879 --> 02:26:08,800
Speaker 18: the waters with. That Saint com and The United states

2576
02:26:09,760 --> 02:26:12,480
Speaker 18: are still insisting that The strait Of Horn moves is

2577
02:26:12,600 --> 02:26:15,360
Speaker 18: open and they've claimed that they've shot Down iranian, drones

2578
02:26:15,680 --> 02:26:18,640
Speaker 18: but in the past, Week iran has Hit saudi flagged

2579
02:26:18,800 --> 02:26:22,360
Speaker 18: tankers in A singaporean, ship hitting at least four vessels

2580
02:26:22,440 --> 02:26:26,720
Speaker 18: in the. Strait since last, Week iran has also claimed

2581
02:26:26,720 --> 02:26:29,920
Speaker 18: to have sunk A Saint kitts And nevis flagged vessel On,

2582
02:26:30,080 --> 02:26:34,480
Speaker 18: tuesday and they have once again returned with full ferocity

2583
02:26:34,640 --> 02:26:38,200
Speaker 18: to their campaign of attacks Against Southern. Kurdistan AND i

2584
02:26:38,360 --> 02:26:41,280
Speaker 18: just heard from friends in Southern kurdistwan today have got

2585
02:26:41,320 --> 02:26:44,160
Speaker 18: dozens of messages of pictures of drones going, overhead drones

2586
02:26:44,200 --> 02:26:48,600
Speaker 18: being shot, down drodes being, intercepted, fires. Etc The United,

2587
02:26:48,640 --> 02:26:51,200
Speaker 18: states for its, part has also been un firing on.

2588
02:26:51,280 --> 02:26:55,480
Speaker 18: Ships today it hit the motor Tanker belma with a hellfire.

2589
02:26:55,520 --> 02:26:58,880
Speaker 18: Missile they claim that they warned the vessel and it

2590
02:26:59,000 --> 02:27:01,800
Speaker 18: was heading in the direction of Carg. Island it didn't,

2591
02:27:01,840 --> 02:27:04,240
Speaker 18: comply so they disabled, it preferring the missile to the.

2592
02:27:04,280 --> 02:27:07,400
Speaker 18: Smokestack and for his, Part donald from The president of

2593
02:27:07,400 --> 02:27:09,440
Speaker 18: The United, states has returned to making threats of war.

2594
02:27:09,520 --> 02:27:10,560
Speaker 8: Crimes here's a.

2595
02:27:10,600 --> 02:27:14,000
Speaker 15: Clip and then next week it gets really bad for

2596
02:27:14,120 --> 02:27:16,280
Speaker 15: them because next week comes the.

2597
02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:21,240
Speaker 4: Power. Plants next week comes the. Bridges we're going to

2598
02:27:21,320 --> 02:27:23,039
Speaker 4: knock out all their power, plants.

2599
02:27:23,840 --> 02:27:25,120
Speaker 18: All, Right and now we're going to move on to

2600
02:27:26,280 --> 02:27:31,320
Speaker 18: another really heartbreaking. Story ice has killed Three americans this,

2601
02:27:31,520 --> 02:27:34,320
Speaker 18: week And i'm going to start and go most in

2602
02:27:34,400 --> 02:27:36,680
Speaker 18: depth with the story of a twenty six year old

2603
02:27:36,720 --> 02:27:38,960
Speaker 18: man named One Sebastian Duran.

2604
02:27:39,120 --> 02:27:41,240
Speaker 8: Guero he was killed by ice On.

2605
02:27:41,560 --> 02:27:46,240
Speaker 18: Monday Durang guero was A colombian citizen he was in

2606
02:27:46,320 --> 02:27:48,720
Speaker 18: his car when agents seem to have tried to stop.

2607
02:27:48,800 --> 02:27:51,920
Speaker 18: HIM a video released by The Portland Press herald and

2608
02:27:52,040 --> 02:27:55,800
Speaker 18: shot on the, scene shows To anguero's car slowly, circling

2609
02:27:56,320 --> 02:27:58,800
Speaker 18: with agents standing on either side of the vehicle and

2610
02:27:58,959 --> 02:28:02,480
Speaker 18: not in its. Path it appears that LATER i, say

2611
02:28:02,480 --> 02:28:06,199
Speaker 18: agents rammed the vehicle with THE suv and then. Shot

2612
02:28:06,360 --> 02:28:10,480
Speaker 18: do Rang guerrero for the, video WHICH i, KNOW i

2613
02:28:10,520 --> 02:28:11,800
Speaker 18: say this a, lot but, like you don't have to

2614
02:28:11,879 --> 02:28:14,240
Speaker 18: watch this to. Care it's not a mark of how

2615
02:28:14,320 --> 02:28:16,240
Speaker 18: much you care or you don't, care how much you traumatize.

2616
02:28:16,280 --> 02:28:19,080
Speaker 18: Yourself you don't have to watch this to care with

2617
02:28:19,160 --> 02:28:21,920
Speaker 18: your whole. Heart but video shows him pulling his body

2618
02:28:22,000 --> 02:28:25,680
Speaker 18: from the, vehicle throwing it on the, floor and handcuffing.

2619
02:28:25,800 --> 02:28:29,199
Speaker 18: Him there was not in the video WHAT i perceived

2620
02:28:29,200 --> 02:28:31,720
Speaker 18: to be evidence of any immediate attempt to render. Aid

2621
02:28:32,440 --> 02:28:35,879
Speaker 18: one witness has said she heard the agencyl, weapon according

2622
02:28:35,879 --> 02:28:39,200
Speaker 18: To Banga Daily. News The Daily news reported that. Quote

2623
02:28:39,360 --> 02:28:42,280
Speaker 18: the witness said that one officer had walked away after

2624
02:28:42,360 --> 02:28:44,960
Speaker 18: the shooting and started to, cry but returned to the

2625
02:28:45,000 --> 02:28:48,039
Speaker 18: man and started ADMINISTERING cpr when the other officers said

2626
02:28:48,080 --> 02:28:51,480
Speaker 18: he has a. Pulse another witness related WHAT i was.

2627
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:54,160
Speaker 18: SAYING i tried to, stop and then THE.

2628
02:28:54,360 --> 02:28:56,640
Speaker 32: Suv hit him, again and you tried him.

2629
02:29:00,440 --> 02:29:02,200
Speaker 4: And and then that's when he.

2630
02:29:02,360 --> 02:29:07,320
Speaker 32: Stopped ice agent got, out tried to open the door

2631
02:29:07,400 --> 02:29:09,960
Speaker 32: and had a difficult, time but eventually opened it and

2632
02:29:10,040 --> 02:29:13,240
Speaker 32: pulled the guy. Out his face was, bloody his head was,

2633
02:29:13,320 --> 02:29:18,960
Speaker 32: bloody AND i clearly heard the victims SAY i tried to.

2634
02:29:19,040 --> 02:29:23,680
Speaker 32: Stop clearly heard him say. That THE ice agent that

2635
02:29:23,800 --> 02:29:27,600
Speaker 32: shot him walked right in front of, me and of

2636
02:29:27,720 --> 02:29:30,480
Speaker 32: COURSE i HAD i was emotional AND i just let

2637
02:29:30,560 --> 02:29:32,560
Speaker 32: him have, it and he looked at me and he

2638
02:29:32,600 --> 02:29:34,960
Speaker 32: said he tried to run me over or something to that.

2639
02:29:35,040 --> 02:29:36,880
Speaker 4: EFFECT i don't remember his exact.

2640
02:29:36,959 --> 02:29:39,600
Speaker 32: Words there was Another ice agent with him that was

2641
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:41,600
Speaker 32: trying to comfort, him and they walked.

2642
02:29:41,600 --> 02:29:47,320
Speaker 8: Away it appears During luerreo's family witnesses, shooting which is.

2643
02:29:47,360 --> 02:29:50,800
Speaker 18: Heartbreaking recording an The Portland Press herald said a woman

2644
02:29:50,879 --> 02:29:53,040
Speaker 18: and a young girl were holding hands and crying at the.

2645
02:29:53,080 --> 02:29:57,240
Speaker 18: Scene she couldn't have been older than, three said the.

2646
02:29:57,600 --> 02:30:01,200
Speaker 18: Witness Portland Press harold spoke to. This this person who

2647
02:30:01,240 --> 02:30:03,120
Speaker 18: spoke to him has a two year old, son And

2648
02:30:03,240 --> 02:30:05,680
Speaker 18: i'm going to quite hear from The Press. Herald she

2649
02:30:05,800 --> 02:30:08,360
Speaker 18: was still in her blue, pajamas just minutes after a

2650
02:30:08,440 --> 02:30:12,160
Speaker 18: man was shot and, killed reportedly by federal immigration officials

2651
02:30:12,480 --> 02:30:15,600
Speaker 18: who missedne that's the name of their, source saw who

2652
02:30:15,640 --> 02:30:16,840
Speaker 18: she believed was the victim's.

2653
02:30:16,959 --> 02:30:20,040
Speaker 8: Daughter she. Said the older of the two women yelled

2654
02:30:20,040 --> 02:30:23,400
Speaker 8: to law. Enforcement you took her. Dad you took her.

2655
02:30:23,520 --> 02:30:31,720
Speaker 18: Dad danguerro's, father talking To Antic Scaracole columbia said, elplear, no.

2656
02:30:34,080 --> 02:30:38,160
Speaker 8: He had so many dreams To. JAY'S i don't know

2657
02:30:38,200 --> 02:30:38,680
Speaker 8: why they did.

2658
02:30:38,720 --> 02:30:43,840
Speaker 18: This the Main Namigrants Rights commission And Presente Migrant Ampacacy

2659
02:30:44,080 --> 02:30:47,800
Speaker 18: organization issued a statement confirming That Dora aguero was authorized

2660
02:30:47,840 --> 02:30:50,600
Speaker 18: to work in The United states and have been issued

2661
02:30:50,640 --> 02:30:53,960
Speaker 18: a Social security. NUMBER i want to be clear about,

2662
02:30:54,000 --> 02:30:56,200
Speaker 18: this AND i want to be clear about Why i'm

2663
02:30:56,240 --> 02:30:59,280
Speaker 18: being clear about. THIS i guess one status or like

2664
02:30:59,360 --> 02:31:03,840
Speaker 18: thereof does not. Matter the agents did not know Dour anguerolo's,

2665
02:31:03,879 --> 02:31:07,520
Speaker 18: status it. Seems Main Senator Angus, king who is an independent,

2666
02:31:07,560 --> 02:31:10,600
Speaker 18: senator told the associate depressed of Du anguerda was not

2667
02:31:10,800 --> 02:31:13,360
Speaker 18: the target of an enforcement, operation which was a revision

2668
02:31:13,400 --> 02:31:14,000
Speaker 18: to a statement he in.

2669
02:31:14,040 --> 02:31:15,080
Speaker 8: The country he'd made earlier that.

2670
02:31:15,200 --> 02:31:19,640
Speaker 18: Day one status or lack of status should not determine

2671
02:31:20,040 --> 02:31:23,800
Speaker 18: if they can survive driving their car, around should not

2672
02:31:23,879 --> 02:31:26,120
Speaker 18: determine if a little girl grows up with or without a.

2673
02:31:26,240 --> 02:31:28,960
Speaker 18: Father but if we're going to make claims about that,

2674
02:31:29,080 --> 02:31:31,320
Speaker 18: status AS i have seen many people do on their

2675
02:31:31,400 --> 02:31:34,600
Speaker 18: Monetized twitter, accounts then we should try and make them.

2676
02:31:34,680 --> 02:31:37,920
Speaker 18: Correct so let's be clear about. This he was authorized

2677
02:31:37,920 --> 02:31:40,040
Speaker 18: to work in The United states and he has issued

2678
02:31:40,080 --> 02:31:43,400
Speaker 18: A Social security. Number according to The Main Immigants Rights

2679
02:31:43,400 --> 02:31:46,480
Speaker 18: commission And, pretende that does not mean he was a

2680
02:31:46,600 --> 02:31:47,520
Speaker 18: resident of The United.

2681
02:31:47,560 --> 02:31:47,800
Speaker 8: States.

2682
02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:50,200
Speaker 18: Necessarily it does not mean he was a. Citizen this

2683
02:31:50,360 --> 02:31:53,640
Speaker 18: can happen during the asylum. Process we've spoken about the

2684
02:31:53,720 --> 02:31:56,119
Speaker 18: work permit. Clock we've spoken about how problematic the work

2685
02:31:56,200 --> 02:31:58,680
Speaker 18: permit clock. Is we've spoken about how hard it is

2686
02:31:58,760 --> 02:32:01,000
Speaker 18: for people to get work Perm there are other processes

2687
02:32:01,080 --> 02:32:03,360
Speaker 18: too which you can get a work permit in the.

2688
02:32:03,440 --> 02:32:06,640
Speaker 18: Process BUT i want to be clear about this because

2689
02:32:06,640 --> 02:32:08,200
Speaker 18: it's important that we tell the truth and all of

2690
02:32:08,280 --> 02:32:10,400
Speaker 18: the truth. Right BUT i also want to be clear

2691
02:32:10,440 --> 02:32:13,200
Speaker 18: that anybody making the claim that he was a resident

2692
02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:17,600
Speaker 18: is going about this wrong because his legal status is

2693
02:32:17,680 --> 02:32:20,000
Speaker 18: not what you're. Protecting being a human being is what you're.

2694
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:23,840
Speaker 18: Protecting no three year old girl should see her father

2695
02:32:23,959 --> 02:32:26,800
Speaker 18: shot in the, street much less by people who your

2696
02:32:26,879 --> 02:32:29,879
Speaker 18: tax is paid to shoot. Him and SO i want

2697
02:32:29,920 --> 02:32:31,600
Speaker 18: to be clear about, that AND i GUESS i Hope

2698
02:32:31,600 --> 02:32:33,280
Speaker 18: i've been clear about Why i'm being clear about. That

2699
02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:37,680
Speaker 18: king also confirmed the agents were not wearing body cameras

2700
02:32:37,680 --> 02:32:39,840
Speaker 18: at the time with the. Shooting with this and the

2701
02:32:39,959 --> 02:32:42,680
Speaker 18: killing In, houston Which i'll get to it a little,

2702
02:32:42,680 --> 02:32:45,520
Speaker 18: BIT cnn is reporting THAT ice is largely stopping vehicle

2703
02:32:45,560 --> 02:32:49,080
Speaker 18: stops for. Now The, atlantic reporting on this added. Quote

2704
02:32:49,160 --> 02:32:51,240
Speaker 18: the officer involved in fatal shooting In maine was hired

2705
02:32:51,240 --> 02:32:53,959
Speaker 18: BY isis year from The department Of Veterans Affairs. Police

2706
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:57,160
Speaker 18: according to a senior, official the officer has worked in

2707
02:32:57,240 --> 02:33:02,359
Speaker 18: federal law enforcement since twenty. Seventeen the official, SAID dhs

2708
02:33:02,640 --> 02:33:05,480
Speaker 18: issued the following. Statement it's using this sort of like

2709
02:33:06,440 --> 02:33:09,240
Speaker 18: bullshit equivocal language THAT i would straight up fail someone

2710
02:33:09,240 --> 02:33:10,560
Speaker 18: in one hundred level writing course.

2711
02:33:10,600 --> 02:33:12,480
Speaker 8: For But i'll read it out so you can hear

2712
02:33:12,480 --> 02:33:12,720
Speaker 8: what they.

2713
02:33:12,720 --> 02:33:15,520
Speaker 18: Said On july, thirteen to twenty twenty, six at approximately

2714
02:33:15,560 --> 02:33:19,000
Speaker 18: seven Am eastern, TIME ice was conducting a targeted surveillance

2715
02:33:19,040 --> 02:33:21,400
Speaker 18: on the last known address of an illegal alien with

2716
02:33:21,520 --> 02:33:24,160
Speaker 18: a final order of. REMOVAL a legal alien departed the

2717
02:33:24,200 --> 02:33:27,360
Speaker 18: residents in a. Vehicle ice law enforcement attempted to conduct

2718
02:33:27,400 --> 02:33:30,200
Speaker 18: a vehicle. Stop the vehicle attempted to flee the scene

2719
02:33:30,280 --> 02:33:32,720
Speaker 18: and fearing for public, safety and officer discharged his. Weapon

2720
02:33:33,240 --> 02:33:36,160
Speaker 18: the driver of the vehicle struck and emergency services were immediately.

2721
02:33:36,360 --> 02:33:39,360
Speaker 18: Contacted he passed away from his. Injuries the bit off

2722
02:33:39,360 --> 02:33:43,640
Speaker 18: a police DEPARTMENT fbi responded to the. SCENE dhsig has

2723
02:33:43,680 --> 02:33:46,440
Speaker 18: been notified and like all discharge of, firearms this will be.

2724
02:33:46,520 --> 02:33:49,200
Speaker 18: Investigated it's a developing situation and we will update the

2725
02:33:49,240 --> 02:33:52,000
Speaker 18: public when more information is. AVAILABLE a couple of THINGS

2726
02:33:52,040 --> 02:33:53,440
Speaker 18: i want to. Know they didn't say that the officer

2727
02:33:53,520 --> 02:33:56,240
Speaker 18: feared for his. Life they did say he feared for public.

2728
02:33:56,320 --> 02:33:58,800
Speaker 18: SAFETY i think we should be wary of reading too

2729
02:33:58,920 --> 02:34:02,080
Speaker 18: much into these. Statements they're always so, vague wishy, washy in,

2730
02:34:02,120 --> 02:34:05,240
Speaker 18: equivocal and it's just the. Cops speakers become almost its own,

2731
02:34:05,320 --> 02:34:08,320
Speaker 18: language especially in the statements of cops make after that kill.

2732
02:34:08,360 --> 02:34:10,520
Speaker 18: SOMEONE i do want to note that The office of

2733
02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:13,400
Speaker 18: The Inspector general right DHS oig that's referred to there

2734
02:34:13,600 --> 02:34:16,200
Speaker 18: is one of very FEW dhs assets that is not

2735
02:34:16,280 --> 02:34:18,920
Speaker 18: getting a huge budget. Bump and as the agency, grows

2736
02:34:19,080 --> 02:34:22,320
Speaker 18: THE oig will very much struggle to keep, up especially

2737
02:34:22,520 --> 02:34:25,960
Speaker 18: IF ice continues Killing americans at this. Rate, indeed The

2738
02:34:26,040 --> 02:34:29,560
Speaker 18: White house last month and it's proposed budget proposed cutting

2739
02:34:29,800 --> 02:34:33,360
Speaker 18: THE oig. Budget so wouldn't hold you wreath for a

2740
02:34:33,440 --> 02:34:35,600
Speaker 18: thorough investigation if you want to learn more about THE

2741
02:34:35,680 --> 02:34:37,800
Speaker 18: DHS oig and how he came to have, it and

2742
02:34:37,920 --> 02:34:42,760
Speaker 18: then the long history that THE dhs has of preventing

2743
02:34:43,000 --> 02:34:48,040
Speaker 18: meaningful investigations into shootings BY dhs. OFFICERS i did an

2744
02:34:48,080 --> 02:34:51,520
Speaker 18: episode With Gen budd probably three years, ago AND i

2745
02:34:51,560 --> 02:34:53,480
Speaker 18: would suggest going back and listening to. That you can

2746
02:34:53,520 --> 02:34:55,360
Speaker 18: Buy gen's book. TWO i think she covers it. There

2747
02:34:56,120 --> 02:35:00,160
Speaker 18: the day after, this another young man was killed BY.

2748
02:35:00,200 --> 02:35:03,440
Speaker 18: Ice man was twenty eight years. Old he was killed

2749
02:35:03,440 --> 02:35:05,800
Speaker 18: AFTER ice agents attempted to detain, Him he fled and

2750
02:35:05,840 --> 02:35:08,320
Speaker 18: he was struck by a. Vehicle this, WEEK ice also

2751
02:35:08,480 --> 02:35:13,440
Speaker 18: Killed Lorenzo, salgado a father of three who have been

2752
02:35:13,600 --> 02:35:17,240
Speaker 18: in The United states for thirty five. Years one of his,

2753
02:35:17,320 --> 02:35:20,119
Speaker 18: sons in a press, conference said that he was aware

2754
02:35:20,120 --> 02:35:21,680
Speaker 18: That this was his dad when he saw a video On,

2755
02:35:21,800 --> 02:35:25,840
Speaker 18: facebook which is, heartbreaking claiming in this, shooting as they

2756
02:35:25,920 --> 02:35:29,800
Speaker 18: have falsely in almost every, shooting that he tried to

2757
02:35:29,879 --> 02:35:34,800
Speaker 18: weaponize his. Vehicle the agent shot him In. Texas this,

2758
02:35:34,959 --> 02:35:38,520
Speaker 18: WEEK cbs reported from The Harris County attorney that he

2759
02:35:38,680 --> 02:35:41,840
Speaker 18: is filing for visas for witnesses in the case unless

2760
02:35:41,920 --> 02:35:44,600
Speaker 18: it be deported before they can give evidence in the.

2761
02:35:44,720 --> 02:35:48,119
Speaker 18: CASE i don't want to go into a great deal

2762
02:35:48,200 --> 02:35:50,800
Speaker 18: more depth about. THIS i Guess i've seen a lot

2763
02:35:50,840 --> 02:35:53,520
Speaker 18: of speculation in all of these AND i might do

2764
02:35:53,560 --> 02:35:56,240
Speaker 18: a whole episode on it. SOON i just want to

2765
02:35:56,240 --> 02:35:58,840
Speaker 18: take some time at the, MOMENT i, guess for us

2766
02:35:58,879 --> 02:36:02,280
Speaker 18: all to to process more. GRIEF i did a book

2767
02:36:02,360 --> 02:36:05,320
Speaker 18: talk yesterday In oakland and we just read their names

2768
02:36:05,320 --> 02:36:08,080
Speaker 18: out loud and had a little moment With Edith.

2769
02:36:08,160 --> 02:36:09,520
Speaker 8: Moranti it was Edis. Idea it was.

2770
02:36:09,560 --> 02:36:11,560
Speaker 18: WONDERFULLY i had a little moment to think about them

2771
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:14,600
Speaker 18: at the start of the book talk, there and that

2772
02:36:14,720 --> 02:36:16,800
Speaker 18: was a nice thing to. Do BUT i GUESS i

2773
02:36:16,840 --> 02:36:18,680
Speaker 18: just want to, say, like we are the people who

2774
02:36:18,720 --> 02:36:20,240
Speaker 18: get to decide if we want to keep living like,

2775
02:36:20,320 --> 02:36:22,680
Speaker 18: this and we don't have, to and it's helped to

2776
02:36:22,760 --> 02:36:26,000
Speaker 18: all of us to decide if this is the way

2777
02:36:26,040 --> 02:36:27,960
Speaker 18: we want to live and the way we want things to. Be,

2778
02:36:28,680 --> 02:36:31,160
Speaker 18: YEAH i hope you can all take some time to

2779
02:36:31,240 --> 02:36:33,840
Speaker 18: process this and deal with it however you.

2780
02:36:33,920 --> 02:36:47,440
Speaker 5: Can, okay we are.

2781
02:36:47,680 --> 02:36:53,000
Speaker 3: Back ahead of an upcoming union, Election The department Of

2782
02:36:53,160 --> 02:36:58,240
Speaker 3: justice has opened a grand jury investigation INTO Uaw President Sean.

2783
02:36:58,440 --> 02:37:02,039
Speaker 3: Faine Sean fayne is currently facing a challenge FROM Uaw

2784
02:37:02,320 --> 02:37:07,280
Speaker 3: Vice President Rich, boyer who years ago told the court

2785
02:37:07,360 --> 02:37:12,720
Speaker 3: appointed independent monitor That feinn quote acted improperly to obtain

2786
02:37:12,959 --> 02:37:18,119
Speaker 3: financial benefits for his fiancee. Unquote fain said in a, statement,

2787
02:37:18,200 --> 02:37:21,320
Speaker 3: Quote let's be clear about what's going on. Here Rich

2788
02:37:21,400 --> 02:37:24,160
Speaker 3: boyer has fed the monitor false allegations about me and

2789
02:37:24,320 --> 02:37:27,240
Speaker 3: is now trying to weaponize these bogus allegations to steal

2790
02:37:27,320 --> 02:37:30,880
Speaker 3: the UPCOMING uaw. Election he knows he can't win a

2791
02:37:30,959 --> 02:37:33,800
Speaker 3: fair fight because he has no real platform to run on.

2792
02:37:34,120 --> 02:37:40,560
Speaker 3: Unquote the court appointed monitor FOR, Uaw Neil, borowsky has

2793
02:37:40,640 --> 02:37:44,240
Speaker 3: clashed With faine the past few. Years ever Since faine

2794
02:37:44,240 --> 02:37:47,240
Speaker 3: pushed for THE oaw to pass a resolution calling for

2795
02:37:47,440 --> 02:37:51,360
Speaker 3: a ceasefire In, gaza which they then did way back

2796
02:37:51,400 --> 02:37:54,280
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. Three at the, time THE ow was

2797
02:37:54,280 --> 02:37:56,720
Speaker 3: the largest union to do, so and In december of

2798
02:37:56,760 --> 02:37:59,840
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, Three fain gave a speech IN dc along

2799
02:38:00,280 --> 02:38:04,400
Speaker 3: Side Congress Rowman Corey busch And Rashida talib calling for

2800
02:38:04,520 --> 02:38:09,520
Speaker 3: a ceasefire and for aid to Enter. Gaza brovsky Called

2801
02:38:09,720 --> 02:38:16,000
Speaker 3: faine to express dissatisfaction with this, resolution And faine claims

2802
02:38:16,040 --> 02:38:20,400
Speaker 3: That brovsky called him an anti. Semite brovsky also forwarded

2803
02:38:20,520 --> 02:38:24,320
Speaker 3: a letter to the union from THE adl claiming THAT

2804
02:38:24,400 --> 02:38:30,400
Speaker 3: auaw local was antisemitic for supporting the. Ceasefire Detroit news

2805
02:38:30,480 --> 02:38:34,760
Speaker 3: reported That brovsky quote acknowledged the matter was outside The monitor's,

2806
02:38:34,840 --> 02:38:38,560
Speaker 3: jurisdiction but said he was forwarding it quote given the

2807
02:38:38,720 --> 02:38:44,120
Speaker 3: serious concerns raised here unquote to quote an article in

2808
02:38:44,160 --> 02:38:49,680
Speaker 3: The American prospect Quote at THE Uaw Executive Board's february

2809
02:38:49,720 --> 02:38:53,680
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, meeting members asked Why brovsky was involving

2810
02:38:53,760 --> 02:38:58,440
Speaker 3: himself in the union's, politics While borrovsky protested he was

2811
02:38:58,480 --> 02:39:02,520
Speaker 3: not really seeking a policy change from. Them infuriated by

2812
02:39:02,560 --> 02:39:06,800
Speaker 3: Both broski's charges and his, Denials fain, said quote for

2813
02:39:06,959 --> 02:39:10,320
Speaker 3: anyone to ever fucking say Anti, semitic, Brother i'll fight

2814
02:39:10,480 --> 02:39:12,879
Speaker 3: your ass in front of this building in a heartbeat.

2815
02:39:13,280 --> 02:39:17,800
Speaker 3: Unquote within weeks of that, Meeting brosky initiated an investigation

2816
02:39:18,280 --> 02:39:24,119
Speaker 3: Of faine's interactions with SEVERAL uaw leaders. Unquote In Sean

2817
02:39:24,160 --> 02:39:28,800
Speaker 3: fayne's recent statement regarding the DOJ's, investigation he, claimed, Quote

2818
02:39:29,040 --> 02:39:32,320
Speaker 3: Neil barowski has a political grudge against me because THE

2819
02:39:32,440 --> 02:39:35,840
Speaker 3: uaw took an anti war stance about what was happening In.

2820
02:39:36,000 --> 02:39:40,200
Speaker 3: Gaza Under Sean, fayn THE uaw has moved in a

2821
02:39:40,320 --> 02:39:45,160
Speaker 3: much more militant direction and has BACKED dsa candidates running

2822
02:39:45,360 --> 02:39:49,200
Speaker 3: on working class platforms and states going against some other

2823
02:39:49,320 --> 02:39:53,920
Speaker 3: union coalitions who were backing progressive or establishment, dems like

2824
02:39:54,200 --> 02:39:57,879
Speaker 3: In New york With Claire, valdez where THE uaw Backed

2825
02:39:57,959 --> 02:40:01,440
Speaker 3: claire and a coalition of OTHER us unions Backed Antonio.

2826
02:40:01,480 --> 02:40:06,640
Speaker 3: Renoso faine has been a very effective union president who

2827
02:40:06,680 --> 02:40:10,000
Speaker 3: has won a lot of big contract, victories and in

2828
02:40:10,120 --> 02:40:14,480
Speaker 3: his statement addressing the, investigation he, wrote, Quote we've accomplished

2829
02:40:14,600 --> 02:40:17,879
Speaker 3: more in the past three years and three months than

2830
02:40:17,959 --> 02:40:20,640
Speaker 3: in the previous. Decades this is what happens when you

2831
02:40:20,760 --> 02:40:24,000
Speaker 3: go against Corporate. America and their, allies And i'm not

2832
02:40:24,160 --> 02:40:26,360
Speaker 3: going to be intimidated or harassed out of serving our.

2833
02:40:26,440 --> 02:40:30,120
Speaker 3: Membership our election is in six. Weeks neilbrowski will not

2834
02:40:30,240 --> 02:40:33,000
Speaker 3: run our union no matter how hard he, tries and

2835
02:40:33,160 --> 02:40:36,080
Speaker 3: no company sell out Like boyer is going to dictate

2836
02:40:36,160 --> 02:40:36,880
Speaker 3: our elections.

2837
02:40:37,160 --> 02:40:39,640
Speaker 5: UNQUOTE i think it's worth going over here sort of

2838
02:40:40,040 --> 02:40:42,520
Speaker 5: the general dynamics of union, elections which is that for

2839
02:40:42,879 --> 02:40:47,080
Speaker 5: basically every major union largely would elections come down. To

2840
02:40:47,800 --> 02:40:50,600
Speaker 5: this is how THE uaw was run for. Decades there

2841
02:40:50,680 --> 02:40:53,720
Speaker 5: is usually something that's called like The Administrative caucus or

2842
02:40:53,760 --> 02:40:57,160
Speaker 5: the Admin, caucus which tends to be the long term

2843
02:40:57,280 --> 02:41:00,560
Speaker 5: sort of ruling. CLIQUE i guess of the union that

2844
02:41:00,680 --> 02:41:03,280
Speaker 5: it usually has held power. Continuously they're kind, of as

2845
02:41:03,280 --> 02:41:05,920
Speaker 5: it felt power for. Decades The teamsters were like, This

2846
02:41:06,320 --> 02:41:09,680
Speaker 5: THE uaw was like this Until Sean fain One Sean

2847
02:41:09,760 --> 02:41:13,360
Speaker 5: fayne is From there's usually something called a reform. Faction, yeah,

2848
02:41:13,440 --> 02:41:15,960
Speaker 5: yeah who are a further left, faction and then there's

2849
02:41:15,959 --> 02:41:20,400
Speaker 5: also usually like A trotskyite one that gets seven. Votes but,

2850
02:41:21,440 --> 02:41:24,040
Speaker 5: yeah and you, know the sort of important, thing As

2851
02:41:24,080 --> 02:41:26,320
Speaker 5: garret was talking, about was that this is the first

2852
02:41:26,360 --> 02:41:29,520
Speaker 5: time that A Reform caucus had put like straight up

2853
02:41:29,600 --> 02:41:31,560
Speaker 5: one of their guys in charge of a major. Union

2854
02:41:31,560 --> 02:41:34,720
Speaker 5: you can look at The teamsters, too but Like teamsters

2855
02:41:34,760 --> 02:41:37,720
Speaker 5: for A Democratic union always kind of had a tenuous

2856
02:41:37,840 --> 02:41:41,680
Speaker 5: relationship ish with their new president and he kind of

2857
02:41:41,760 --> 02:41:44,480
Speaker 5: sucks in a way That Sean fayne like, doesn't, yeah

2858
02:41:44,560 --> 02:41:45,080
Speaker 5: largely does.

2859
02:41:45,160 --> 02:41:45,200
Speaker 30: Not.

2860
02:41:45,720 --> 02:41:48,360
Speaker 5: Yeah he has been the most militant of the major

2861
02:41:48,440 --> 02:41:50,840
Speaker 5: union leaders in THE, us you, know like there was

2862
02:41:50,879 --> 02:41:52,800
Speaker 5: the strike a few years ago that we covered on the.

2863
02:41:52,840 --> 02:41:57,360
Speaker 5: SHOW i, mean and this is another example of THE oja. Weaponization.

2864
02:41:57,760 --> 02:42:01,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah the job administration is going after someone who

2865
02:42:01,800 --> 02:42:04,600
Speaker 3: is not only securing big wins for the, union but

2866
02:42:04,720 --> 02:42:07,920
Speaker 3: is also involving himself in these other, elections these other

2867
02:42:08,240 --> 02:42:12,040
Speaker 3: social causes Like. Palestine, yeah and also has been a

2868
02:42:12,120 --> 02:42:15,440
Speaker 3: really outspoken voice in favor of, immigration yeah and against,

2869
02:42:15,560 --> 02:42:20,280
Speaker 3: yeah opression Of mike. Workers so this is absolutely in

2870
02:42:20,440 --> 02:42:24,440
Speaker 3: part Targeting thane because of his, yeah opposition to a

2871
02:42:24,520 --> 02:42:27,360
Speaker 3: lot of the things such up administration is, doing and

2872
02:42:27,520 --> 02:42:31,240
Speaker 3: that opposition and support of THE uw has been helping

2873
02:42:31,800 --> 02:42:35,360
Speaker 3: working class candidates get into office to then oppose these

2874
02:42:35,440 --> 02:42:39,720
Speaker 3: things In. CONGRESS i don't know how to Segue, OKAY

2875
02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:41,880
Speaker 3: i got. THIS i got, This, garrison don't. Worry i'm

2876
02:42:41,879 --> 02:42:43,040
Speaker 3: a professional.

2877
02:42:43,760 --> 02:42:49,520
Speaker 5: Speaking speaking of bowel movements In. Michigan oh, god let's

2878
02:42:49,560 --> 02:42:55,640
Speaker 5: talk explosive. Diarrhea oh. Yeah THE uiw is also. Supporting al,

2879
02:42:55,680 --> 02:42:58,039
Speaker 5: said you're, right you're. Right that is a good segue

2880
02:42:58,120 --> 02:43:02,879
Speaker 5: and speaking Of, michigan oh. God, Okay so there has

2881
02:43:03,000 --> 02:43:06,920
Speaker 5: been a large outbreak centered In michigan of a parasite

2882
02:43:06,959 --> 02:43:11,720
Speaker 5: called silaspora that appears to be spreading through something like

2883
02:43:11,840 --> 02:43:14,840
Speaker 5: fresh salad, greens although THE cdc is still not. Sure,

2884
02:43:15,200 --> 02:43:18,039
Speaker 5: yes and we'll get to we'll we'll get to more

2885
02:43:18,120 --> 02:43:20,680
Speaker 5: on why they're not. Sure my four year old diet

2886
02:43:20,840 --> 02:43:26,560
Speaker 5: continues to reign. Supreum. God SO i think it's worth noting,

2887
02:43:26,840 --> 02:43:29,200
Speaker 5: that you, know this is something that a lot of

2888
02:43:29,240 --> 02:43:33,000
Speaker 5: writers have pointed. Out there's always like small outbreaks of

2889
02:43:33,120 --> 02:43:37,040
Speaker 5: silospora during the. Summer so you'll see documents of you,

2890
02:43:37,120 --> 02:43:39,480
Speaker 5: know like cases in other states that are not in

2891
02:43:39,600 --> 02:43:40,960
Speaker 5: the sort of group we're going to talk about in a,

2892
02:43:41,080 --> 02:43:44,480
Speaker 5: Second and that's fairly. Normal that's just that's just sort

2893
02:43:44,520 --> 02:43:46,560
Speaker 5: of the you, know that's just sort of the disease. Cycle, However,

2894
02:43:47,000 --> 02:43:51,840
Speaker 5: comma there's been over two thousand cases In, michigan and

2895
02:43:51,959 --> 02:43:57,760
Speaker 5: that is not normal at. All, now this specific, outbreak

2896
02:43:58,160 --> 02:44:00,280
Speaker 5: for what we know so far from THE cdc see

2897
02:44:00,320 --> 02:44:03,200
Speaker 5: it seems like there is an outbreak In, Michigan, Ohio West,

2898
02:44:03,280 --> 02:44:07,040
Speaker 5: virginia And. Kentucky and these ones seem to actually be

2899
02:44:07,120 --> 02:44:09,400
Speaker 5: connected to each, other unlike the sort of disparate cases

2900
02:44:09,760 --> 02:44:12,840
Speaker 5: elsewhereround the, country which are just seemed to kind of

2901
02:44:13,360 --> 02:44:16,800
Speaker 5: right now look like a little bit higher than the

2902
02:44:16,840 --> 02:44:19,160
Speaker 5: normal background noise of what you would expect in a

2903
02:44:19,280 --> 02:44:22,880
Speaker 5: very large. Country if you're like In, michigan it's maybe

2904
02:44:23,000 --> 02:44:26,120
Speaker 5: worth not buying like bag, salads and if you're gonna buy,

2905
02:44:26,160 --> 02:44:28,199
Speaker 5: lettuce buy like a head of lettuce and like throw

2906
02:44:28,240 --> 02:44:30,600
Speaker 5: away the outside of. It if you're not In, michigan,

2907
02:44:31,040 --> 02:44:34,280
Speaker 5: like don't really worry about. This you're probably gonna be.

2908
02:44:34,320 --> 02:44:36,960
Speaker 5: Okay but the REASON i want to talk about this

2909
02:44:37,080 --> 02:44:40,720
Speaker 5: outbreak is that specifically it's been, exacerbated at least in

2910
02:44:40,879 --> 02:44:43,880
Speaker 5: part BY rfk juniors firing of ten thousand health and

2911
02:44:43,959 --> 02:44:48,840
Speaker 5: human services. Workers, now as a result of these, cuts

2912
02:44:49,200 --> 02:44:53,039
Speaker 5: the Food Borne Diseases Active Surveillance network went from tracking

2913
02:44:53,160 --> 02:44:57,720
Speaker 5: six pathogens to only tracking two and lo and. Behold,

2914
02:44:58,240 --> 02:45:02,680
Speaker 5: okay so this timing genuinely a. Coincidence but they cut

2915
02:45:02,760 --> 02:45:06,000
Speaker 5: the surveillance tracking On july, first and one of the

2916
02:45:06,040 --> 02:45:11,920
Speaker 5: passages they were, tracking why. Cyclospora so this is going,

2917
02:45:12,080 --> 02:45:16,640
Speaker 5: great and obviously this outbreak would have happened. Anyways it's

2918
02:45:16,680 --> 02:45:19,200
Speaker 5: not responsible to draw a direct causal link from these

2919
02:45:19,280 --> 02:45:21,520
Speaker 5: cuts to, oh there's this outbreak, Now but what it

2920
02:45:21,640 --> 02:45:25,840
Speaker 5: has done is slow the response to, it because what

2921
02:45:26,200 --> 02:45:29,440
Speaker 5: was one of the world's best surveillance systems has been

2922
02:45:29,520 --> 02:45:33,720
Speaker 5: absolutely gutted because they fired ten thousand people or, well,

2923
02:45:33,760 --> 02:45:36,000
Speaker 5: okay it's a combination of fired and forced out and

2924
02:45:36,080 --> 02:45:38,720
Speaker 5: people taking, like you, know people taking some of the

2925
02:45:38,760 --> 02:45:44,199
Speaker 5: packages that they've been. Offered, yeah, yeah those deferred RESIGNATION doge. Offers,

2926
02:45:44,720 --> 02:45:48,080
Speaker 5: yeah this is a very explosive example of. This but

2927
02:45:48,959 --> 02:45:54,600
Speaker 5: what's happening here is one manifestation of the slow crumbling

2928
02:45:54,920 --> 02:45:55,920
Speaker 5: of general state.

2929
02:45:56,000 --> 02:45:56,480
Speaker 4: Capacity.

2930
02:45:57,040 --> 02:46:00,520
Speaker 5: Right there are a lot of regulatory agencies and a

2931
02:46:00,640 --> 02:46:05,080
Speaker 5: lot of scientific agencies whose you, know budgets and staffs

2932
02:46:05,200 --> 02:46:09,040
Speaker 5: have been cut, massively and the systems that they run

2933
02:46:09,720 --> 02:46:12,720
Speaker 5: are well designed enough and the people who actually do

2934
02:46:12,959 --> 02:46:16,680
Speaker 5: them care about them enough that they tend not to collapse. Immediately,

2935
02:46:17,200 --> 02:46:20,000
Speaker 5: Right that's not the sort of model of state collapse

2936
02:46:20,080 --> 02:46:21,720
Speaker 5: that we're sort of dealing with, Here. Right it's not

2937
02:46:21,800 --> 02:46:25,720
Speaker 5: that everything just suddenly stopped. Working what happens is, slowly over,

2938
02:46:25,920 --> 02:46:29,400
Speaker 5: time things that we used to have we simply don't have,

2939
02:46:29,520 --> 02:46:32,120
Speaker 5: anymore you. Know along these sort of, Lines one of

2940
02:46:32,160 --> 02:46:34,680
Speaker 5: the other like slow acting symptoms of this sort of

2941
02:46:34,879 --> 02:46:39,360
Speaker 5: carving out of The american scientific state and its regulatory

2942
02:46:39,400 --> 02:46:43,840
Speaker 5: capacity is that weather praditions have gotten less. Accurate and

2943
02:46:43,920 --> 02:46:46,520
Speaker 5: the reason they've gotten less accurate is because there is

2944
02:46:46,680 --> 02:46:48,960
Speaker 5: a large number of weather balloons that used to be

2945
02:46:49,040 --> 02:46:52,600
Speaker 5: deployed every single day to collect weather information that you

2946
02:46:52,760 --> 02:46:55,000
Speaker 5: can't get any other, way that have been shut down

2947
02:46:55,000 --> 02:46:57,000
Speaker 5: because they just don't have the staff to run. Them

2948
02:46:57,600 --> 02:46:59,480
Speaker 5: and so this is a thing we're going to be

2949
02:46:59,560 --> 02:47:02,920
Speaker 5: seeing and more of over the next honestly probably the

2950
02:47:03,000 --> 02:47:06,280
Speaker 5: rest of our. Lives is that the pieces of the

2951
02:47:06,360 --> 02:47:08,680
Speaker 5: state that we're torn apart By doge and we're torn

2952
02:47:08,720 --> 02:47:12,600
Speaker 5: apart BY Rfk junior going, through there's just going to

2953
02:47:12,680 --> 02:47:17,240
Speaker 5: be things that we don't think about that suddenly get. Worse,

2954
02:47:17,440 --> 02:47:20,000
Speaker 5: Right and it's also worth, noting, right, like you, know

2955
02:47:20,320 --> 02:47:22,840
Speaker 5: something THAT i think you, can to some extent point

2956
02:47:22,879 --> 02:47:26,280
Speaker 5: to for this specific outbreak is that there's been damage

2957
02:47:26,360 --> 02:47:28,600
Speaker 5: done to food testing that dates back to like the

2958
02:47:28,720 --> 02:47:34,360
Speaker 5: First trump, administration, Right and when we're talking about something

2959
02:47:34,560 --> 02:47:39,560
Speaker 5: like food safety, standards, right or we're talking about workplace safety,

2960
02:47:39,640 --> 02:47:43,280
Speaker 5: standards it's important to understand that there are two kinds

2961
02:47:43,280 --> 02:47:45,920
Speaker 5: of regulations in this. World there are regulations that are

2962
02:47:45,920 --> 02:47:48,199
Speaker 5: written in the ink of, lobbyists and there are regulations

2963
02:47:48,240 --> 02:47:50,560
Speaker 5: that are written the blood of. Workers and the ones

2964
02:47:50,600 --> 02:47:52,640
Speaker 5: that are being cut right now are the ones that

2965
02:47:52,720 --> 02:47:55,640
Speaker 5: are written in. Blood and so you, know right now

2966
02:47:55,959 --> 02:48:00,680
Speaker 5: we have a story that sucks but is at least

2967
02:48:00,920 --> 02:48:04,240
Speaker 5: kind of silly in a bunch of explosive. Diarrhea but

2968
02:48:05,360 --> 02:48:08,920
Speaker 5: as the state capacity continues to, degrade it's going to

2969
02:48:09,000 --> 02:48:12,200
Speaker 5: get more and more. Grim, yeah as you, know basic

2970
02:48:12,280 --> 02:48:15,520
Speaker 5: scientific and regulatory functions that we all have just come

2971
02:48:15,600 --> 02:48:19,640
Speaker 5: to rely on to not eat poison every, day crumble

2972
02:48:19,640 --> 02:48:20,360
Speaker 5: will start the fall.

2973
02:48:20,400 --> 02:48:22,960
Speaker 3: Apart your point about there being two different types of,

2974
02:48:23,040 --> 02:48:25,480
Speaker 3: REGULATIONS i think is really important because people often just

2975
02:48:25,600 --> 02:48:28,200
Speaker 3: think of regulation as it's like just this singular kind

2976
02:48:28,240 --> 02:48:32,960
Speaker 3: of mechanism that the state can, deploy and, no, yeah it.

2977
02:48:33,080 --> 02:48:33,520
Speaker 5: Is it is.

2978
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Speaker 4: Not it's.

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Speaker 3: There is regulations that will protect workers that are achieved by,

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Speaker 3: workers and there's regulations that only serve corporate interests or

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02:48:44,760 --> 02:48:48,320
Speaker 3: make things more difficult or cumbersome for workers to go

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Speaker 3: about their daily lives and enjoy the public services and

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02:48:52,360 --> 02:48:54,480
Speaker 3: like the public goods and the infrastructure that that we.

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Speaker 3: Have and this is sort of like hacking away at

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Speaker 3: state capacities you're talking, about which is like very obviously

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Speaker 3: on display In trump's second administration through stuff like Dew it's,

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Speaker 3: right this is kind of the main project of conservatism

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Speaker 3: since like the seventies and.

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Speaker 5: Eighties, yeah, WELL i think WHAT i would also say

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Speaker 5: about that, though that there IS i think there is

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Speaker 5: an important distinction between what's happening here and what's what you,

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Speaker 5: know if you look at Like, reagan for, Example, yeah

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Speaker 5: which is like a lot of what those states were

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02:49:21,360 --> 02:49:24,640
Speaker 5: doing was you, know an attempt to transition from the

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Speaker 5: state sort of having a welfare capacity to a state

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02:49:27,440 --> 02:49:31,240
Speaker 5: just being a purely military. Entity, Right but those people

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Speaker 5: also weren't doing this kind of stuff in the sense

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Speaker 5: that they weren't just like shutting down the weather balloons

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Speaker 5: because you, know like even Like GEORGE. W bush isn't

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Speaker 5: just like shutting down every weather balloon he can, find

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Speaker 5: because there used to be an understanding that there's supposed

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Speaker 5: to be stay capacity in place or expanded that would

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Speaker 5: help the ruling class stay in.

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Speaker 4: Power.

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Speaker 5: Right this is why you see like the expansion of

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Speaker 5: the police through this, period this massive increase in police

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Speaker 5: and military, budgets and also why you would see in

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Speaker 5: a lot of cases you would see expansions of scientific.

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Speaker 5: Budgets and why you, wouldn't for, example just start doing.

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Speaker 5: This The reagan administration did a lot of replacing regulations

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Speaker 5: written in blood with regulations written in, ink but they

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Speaker 5: didn't just gut basic scientific capacity that was useful to

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Speaker 5: capital in the way that's happening. Here look like another

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Speaker 5: part of, this right is like it was it was

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Speaker 5: strategically important to someone Like bush and someone Like reagan

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Speaker 5: that THE us would maintain like a large scale scientific. Advantage,

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Speaker 5: Right so if you want to do, that you don't

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Speaker 5: go through and just start annihilating the grant process by

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Speaker 5: which All american science is. Done, Right, sure stuff that

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Speaker 5: like those people didn't do because they had a better

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Speaker 5: understanding of how The american empire, works and these people

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Speaker 5: are doing it because they have bought the propaganda line

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Speaker 5: about what their ideology is supposed to be instead of

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Speaker 5: actually executing their, ideology like you, know having the sort

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Speaker 5: of scientific state capacity to like fuel the corporations that

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Speaker 5: their power relies. On, yeah the contradictions of the project

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Speaker 5: are more clearly manifest and something like, this whereas you,

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Speaker 5: know the sort of like privatization and like the removal

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Speaker 5: of like social services Under reagan still allowed you, know

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Speaker 5: government funds and involvement towards things that would help like

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Speaker 5: infuse the economy in some, ways you, know trickle down,

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Speaker 5: way something that really did not help a lot of

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Speaker 5: a lot of workers in the. Moment, well they help

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Speaker 5: the economy meeting corporation make more money every, year, yes

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Speaker 5: versus the sort of expansion of this privatization towards things, like,

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Speaker 5: yeah we should not have the government be funding weather

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Speaker 5: balloons that can be privatized instead all these things that

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Speaker 5: the private sector cannot do as well as a central

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Speaker 5: government body cannot do without the backing with central government

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Speaker 5: body inside of. Funding is another example of. This you,

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Speaker 5: know sometimes THE rfk forces or whatever will like realize

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Speaker 5: that what they're doing is actually going to hurt their

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Speaker 5: core driving, factor which is which is serving, capital and

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Speaker 5: they will like backtrack on some, things but it follows

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Speaker 5: the sort Of Silicon valley.

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Speaker 3: Mindset it's like move fast and break. Things then you'll

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Speaker 3: learn that maybe you broke something you shouldn't have. Broken

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Speaker 3: but the consequence of that is that in the meantime

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Speaker 3: you have thousands people shitting.

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Speaker 5: Themselves, yeah or worse or or. Worse, yeah an, amazing

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Speaker 5: amazing country that we've designed. Here it's it's going great

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Speaker 5: and no bad things are going to happen and are

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Speaker 5: happening now before we.

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Speaker 3: Go there's there's two pieces of news that have dropped since.

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Speaker 3: liberal jokes about how The department Of war is doing

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Speaker 3: gender affirming therapy Now Jesus christ and about thirty minutes,

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Speaker 3: ago one one hundred and Three democrats voted to eliminate

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Speaker 3: aid To. Israel ninety six voted against, this ten voted

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Speaker 3: Present this is a pretty big change from what a

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Speaker 3: vote like this would have been a few years. Ago

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Speaker 3: this is still like a performative vote, ultimately like there's

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Speaker 3: no way that this is going to. Pass, yeah but

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Speaker 3: those ninety Three democrats who voted against, this that is

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Speaker 3: a primary. List that is a list of targets to go.

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Speaker 5: After. ANYWAY i think that's the news that we reported. Today,

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Speaker 5: yeah put a transcurl on your. Couch we reported the.

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Speaker 5: News we reported the.

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