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Speaker 1: What did I watch last night?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I finished Jewish matchmaking last night, and I previously

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Speaker 2: had finished Indian matchmaking prior to that, which is fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I made the mistake of looking up Jewish matchmaking

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Speaker 2: like follow up to see how effective Oh no, the

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Speaker 2: matchmaker was. I don't want to ruin it for anybody,

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Speaker 2: but it's fascinating. It's really fascinating just to sort of

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Speaker 2: see the process and how some people like in that

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Speaker 2: particular religion or in that faith, like some people will

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Speaker 2: date I don't know all the terminology and never touch

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Speaker 2: each other. They don't touch each other at all, no hug,

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Speaker 2: no handshake, nothing. The first time they'll ever physically touches

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Speaker 2: at their wedding.

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Speaker 3: Oh maybe super Orthodox or something.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, but there'd be all the different

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Speaker 2: traditions and then you know, within Judaism, like it has

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Speaker 2: to be this kind of Jewish person.

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Speaker 1: And I know I sound very ignorant.

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Speaker 2: I don't mean to, but I don't understand it all

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Speaker 2: and they don't really explain all of it. But I

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Speaker 2: was fascinated it, like how you can be Jewish, but

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Speaker 2: you have to be this kind of you or from

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Speaker 2: this area same with Indian matchmaking. It'll be like I

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Speaker 2: need I want to marry somebody who's from this part

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Speaker 2: of India or very very very specific the alignment of

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Speaker 2: your values and stuff. It was interesting, though. The girl

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Speaker 2: from Scottsdale is hot. She's young, she was really young.

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Speaker 2: There's a girl from Scottsdale that was trying to match

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Speaker 2: up with a guy in Tel Aviv. At the end,

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Speaker 2: they were kind of they were hot couple.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, really they break up.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, of course, I know. I looked it up,

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Speaker 1: you know I did.

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Speaker 3: Did you slid and say I'll convert baby?

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Speaker 2: No? No, she's twenty three. At some point I say

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Speaker 2: enough is enough. I think twenty five is my. Well

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Speaker 2: that's true. Yeah, she live in her great, greatest life. No,

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Speaker 2: I think twenty five is my. But that's that's enough

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Speaker 2: about me. I will say, though, dating on television is

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Speaker 2: bs because like some of these dates, these people knew

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Speaker 2: instantly that they didn't want to be there. But there's

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Speaker 2: television cameras everywhere and they're on a TV show. So

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Speaker 2: I think that they're friendlier. I think that they're kinder

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Speaker 2: than they probably would be in real life. Some of

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Speaker 2: these people would never have. They wouldn't have ever gone

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Speaker 2: out with each other ever. So I don't really I

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Speaker 2: wish I really knew what people thought when you're on

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Speaker 2: these things. I mean the Bachelor, you kind of know

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Speaker 2: sort of, but nobody wants to go home on the

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Speaker 2: Bachelor either. I don't think when you're on the Bachelor,

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's really willing to admit that the

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Speaker 2: guy or the girl is not what they actually wanted,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I think once you get

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Speaker 2: in that house, you're just determined to not go home. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that's why these relationships don't work out, because it's like, well,

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Speaker 2: it's that's something you wouldn't have none. You wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: necessarily chosen that person when you got cast to be

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Speaker 2: on the Bachelor, when you put your application in two

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Speaker 2: seasons ago, you know. And some people will be like,

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Speaker 2: I went on for you.

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Speaker 1: I knew it was you.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes they tell them in the auditions like who the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, you know.

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Speaker 2: But other times I'm like, no, you walked in the

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Speaker 2: house and you saw a bunch of other d bags,

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Speaker 2: and you're like, no, these guys aren't these guys aren't

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Speaker 2: better than me, no way, absolutely not, and then you

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Speaker 2: with and then doesn't work anyway I recommend. But then

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Speaker 2: I started watching Obama Rush documentary on HBO, and I

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Speaker 2: don't know how far I can get into it. It's

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Speaker 2: it's it's difficult to watch.

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Speaker 3: In what way?

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Speaker 4: Well, because you loved the TikTok, Yeah, you're all about it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm a Bama rush TikTok. Oh, I'm a Bama

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Speaker 2: rush TikTok guy through and through. Oh, no question about it.

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Speaker 2: Day yeah, the ot day. Well, and I went to

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Speaker 2: the intensity, the this, the seriousness of it. But the

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Speaker 2: part that's hard for me is I've only watched the

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Speaker 2: first like fifteen minutes, and it's hearing eighteen year olds

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Speaker 2: talk about how like they're they're asking these young and

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Speaker 2: why do you want to be in a sorority? And

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Speaker 2: saying basically that they won't find themselves unless they get

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Speaker 2: I need to get into sorority so I so that

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Speaker 2: people will love me unconditionally. And it's like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: it's all conditional. It's this whole documentary is about conditions.

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Speaker 2: Oh that is sad, you know, but that's what I'm

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Speaker 2: saying is I'm watching the first part of this and

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Speaker 2: these girls are like, well, you know, I no one's

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Speaker 2: get in a sorority, I'll be accepted whole you know.

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Speaker 1: Holy It's like, no, you won't, No, you won't. That's

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Speaker 1: this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a a peeing contest, the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Southern sororities are wild. And then don't did

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Speaker 4: girls that you're called, say ring by Spring.

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Speaker 3: Like they wanted to be engaged like by the time

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Speaker 1: And see oh the mrs degree.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and like even wearing sun dress is to tailgate.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm just it's foreign to me.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I kind of word and look, I met

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Speaker 2: some really great people I mean people I'm still friends

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Speaker 2: with today being in a fraternity for twenty minutes. I

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Speaker 2: was in a fraternity for twenty minutes one year, but

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Speaker 2: basically twenty minutes. I'm not dissing the entire institution, but

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Speaker 2: I think in this particular case, Alabama Rush for example,

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Speaker 2: quote unquote less desirable. And then is that really the

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Speaker 2: is that really the idea? You know, because like my

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Speaker 2: it wasn't that it wasn't cool, but oh it wasn't.

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Speaker 2: But you know how if you've been in a if

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Speaker 2: know how quickly, like my fraternity was okay when I

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Speaker 2: and then they got kicked off and not even there anymore.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, like you know, my grandfather was in

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Speaker 3: But your sister didn't.

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Speaker 4: Your sister got into Kapa without even trying, didn't. She

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Speaker 4: She pretty.

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Speaker 1: Basically said, I don't want anything to do with this.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like Amanda because I went to the Southern

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Speaker 2: Methodist and she did too, and we had deferred rush.

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Speaker 2: So it was second semester. Oh, and the purpose freshman year,

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Speaker 2: second semester. It was a week before school started for

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Speaker 2: they called it dirty rush where they were like recruiting

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Speaker 2: so she didn't do any of that because she hated it,

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Speaker 2: didn't like any of it. So she didn't do any

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Speaker 2: then she's like, I'm not even gonna go back for rush.

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Speaker 2: and she gets there call me every night. I hate this.

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Speaker 2: This is so dumb. I skipped five houses today. I

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Speaker 2: you know, And I understood that she's like a free spirit,

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Speaker 2: you know. She doesn't want to me. She doesn't want

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Speaker 2: which was really a fashion show. And I mean you'll

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Speaker 2: see on this documentary there are rush Greek rush consultants.

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Speaker 2: Parents are hiring people to consult their children on how

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Speaker 1: That's where we're at. That is not the point.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Some of my sister's friends parents were hitting me up,

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Speaker 4: like could you write a letter for your I'm like, ladies, like,

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Speaker 4: we got to relax.

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Speaker 3: This is not a big deal. I'm not writing letters

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Speaker 1: My mom writes letters all the time. She's right out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he even wants me to write her a letter.

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Speaker 2: The point, like that maybe that house was better for her,

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Speaker 2: She's happy, But like people don't think of it that way.

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Speaker 2: They think, I want to get into whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: And that's not the point.

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Speaker 2: My sister was like, I'm done, I want to do this,

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Speaker 2: and then she calls me the Saturday morning. They call

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Speaker 2: it what do they call it? The pig run? It's

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Speaker 2: the dog run. Well, because because you get your bids.

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Speaker 2: The fraternities get their bids on Fridays and then walk

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Speaker 2: their Saturday morning and then they physically run from the

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Speaker 2: they call it. And then the guys who just got

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Speaker 2: because we got into a house, then we go stand

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Speaker 3: Okay, the second they made me run, i'd be like,

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Speaker 3: all right, I'm not going to do this now.

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Speaker 2: This is Southern Greek life. I mean, it's crazy. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: she calls me Saturday morning. Yeah, Ima Kappa, which is

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Speaker 2: the best house, was the best house at SMU by

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Speaker 2: a mile. And I'm like, how I mean there were

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Speaker 2: girls I'm not embellishing. When I was there, there were

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Speaker 2: girls that didn't get into Kappa or Theda or Pi Fi.

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Speaker 2: Literally their parents were that morning after they didn't get

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Speaker 2: the bid, moving them out of the dorm and taking

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Speaker 2: They wanted to be end or the Legacy House or whatever.

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Speaker 2: And here was my sister with no recommendation, no care

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Speaker 2: got kicked out at some point. I love ohause she

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Speaker 2: stopped like she didn't want to live in the house game.

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Speaker 3: We're like, we're not doing this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. She was just like whatever, I'm over, this is

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Speaker 4: I didn't quit, but we all band together and said, listen,

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Speaker 4: if you want our money, because you have to pay,

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Speaker 4: we're not going to do We're not going to live

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Speaker 4: in the house two years. We're not going to go

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Speaker 4: to these meetings. I'm not going to do rush. And

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Speaker 4: they were like, oh, So we kind of found each

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Speaker 4: other and then we're like no, but I didn't quit.

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Speaker 4: But I just was like, this is I knew it

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Speaker 3: Was doing it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So what was the reason for doing it? Thank you?

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Speaker 5: Like, what made you say this is the life that

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Speaker 3: Because you know, well it's not, by the way, it's

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Speaker 3: not at all like it is in the South. So

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Speaker 3: I want to make that very clear. I would not

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Speaker 3: have done any of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: But I went to a college in the state that

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Speaker 4: I grew up, and I I wanted to meet new people,

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Speaker 4: and I thought, why not.

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Speaker 3: Just try it. If I don't like it, I can stop.

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Speaker 4: And all my friends that I have now, every single

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Speaker 4: one of them makes up for one is from that experience.

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Speaker 3: So I am so grateful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah work great for us too, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It worked out.

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Speaker 4: But like it's all about who's in your pledge class,

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Speaker 4: because then the year after us, it like wasn't a

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Speaker 4: great pledge class and girls didn't have a good experience.

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Speaker 3: So I just got really lucky.

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Speaker 4: And also like with classes, like people in your house

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Speaker 4: will help you with classes because they had the class

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Speaker 4: before you. It's really good on your resume. Stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, see, where I went to college, you had

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Speaker 2: you almost had to do it because everything social. It

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Speaker 2: was a smaller southern college, so everything social surrounded you know,

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Speaker 2: it was it was encompassed for the Greek life. So

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Speaker 2: you kind of had to You were either you either

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Speaker 2: Greek or you weren't, and weren't wasn't great. Really it

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Speaker 2: was great. It probably was better, actually, but I didn't

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Speaker 2: know that at the time. But the thing is, the

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Speaker 2: year that I did it, there were like fifteen of

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Speaker 2: us that were all friends from the dorm, and this

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Speaker 2: fraternity was kind of okay, and they went and targeted

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Speaker 2: like two big groups of friends. They were like some

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Speaker 2: thirty guys they went after, and so I wound up

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Speaker 2: joining the house that all my friends went to, not

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Speaker 2: necessarily the house I thought I wanted to be in,

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Speaker 2: which was the point, right, Like the point was to

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Speaker 2: join the guys that you liked and that you vibe

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Speaker 2: with or whatever. So it worked out for me, But

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Speaker 2: you're right. Then the next year we had a bad

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Speaker 2: pledge class and then I dropped out.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, did you guys have like like these bird

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Speaker 3: calls or whatever? They would be like or they start

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Speaker 3: like yelling stuff out.

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Speaker 1: They'll be like third up. I don't know what that

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Speaker 1: was the yard now.

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Speaker 2: I think our bird call was we have beer and

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Speaker 2: then people would come in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah nobody, I know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Those are chance that they do are almost like they

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Speaker 2: almost seem like a cult.

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Speaker 1: And they do a dance and oh yeah, oh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah in Costa Rica over the weekend and he had

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Speaker 4: all his boys do this whole dance.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I could do it.

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Speaker 1: We didn't do that. They also do that though, domember.

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Speaker 1: Any of the chances for rush that you had to.

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Speaker 3: Do, we didn't really do a lot of that corner

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Speaker 3: stuff like it was very different, like from what you guys.

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Speaker 4: Are, Like, I'm not a cheerer like that.

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Speaker 1: You join us to your.

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Speaker 3: You know, like Blake, what is it called a sothority?

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Speaker 1: But I didn't have a gp A high enough.

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Speaker 3: So I asked how to stay back.

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Speaker 5: But it's fine, you could have joined mine. I created

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Speaker 5: my own mob. Yeah that's right, Yeah, you could you

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Speaker 5: could join today.

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Speaker 1: Are we in the mob?

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Speaker 5: Well it's a small fee, so if you want to go, yah.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't have to pay, right, Oh got the strap?

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Speaker 1: So we need her. Well, there you go.

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Speaker 2: There's there's my rundown on southern fratern of these sororities.

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Speaker 2: Thanks thanks Caitlin for your reporting on that