WEBVTT - The Rich History of Ice Cream

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<v Speaker 1>For centuries around the world, ice cream was a divine

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<v Speaker 1>treat only fit for the royals. Why ice Before the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century, ice was hard to come by and even

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<v Speaker 1>harder to keep frozen. Today's episode is all about ice cream.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Eva Longoria and I am Mike Dean

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to Hungry for History, a podcast that explores

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<v Speaker 1>our past and present through food. On every episode, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the history of some of our favorite dishes, ingredients,

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<v Speaker 1>and beverages. So make yourself at home. Echel I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>excited about today because I love ice cream, and now

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm lactose intolerant, I'm very sad that I have

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<v Speaker 1>to curate my ice cream accordingly. That is try magic.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited that you love ice cream because I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't sure because you're not a big sweet person. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>an ice cream junkie. But are we talking about ice cream?

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<v Speaker 1>Are we talking about like the umbrella of ice cream?

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<v Speaker 1>Because like the sorbets, the gelato, the raspas, the snow

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<v Speaker 1>coat was that, that's what we're talking about. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the umbrella because there's just too much good not

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about it. There's so much because yeah, if

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<v Speaker 1>you think about like ice cream. When I was pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>I got into making ice cream, and so I got

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<v Speaker 1>an ice cream machine and I made vanilla bean with

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<v Speaker 1>the Mexican vanilla beans. I made sorbets, mango, lemon, pear, lime, mandarin,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you name it. I made it when I

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<v Speaker 1>was pregnant, and everybody would come over and go, this

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<v Speaker 1>is amazing. I'm like, isn't it amazing? And then I

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<v Speaker 1>bought all these books about ice cream and recipes. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful book called The Perfect Scoop and it has

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<v Speaker 1>like French ice cream, which has more dairy, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there's American ice cream, which is different. And I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it was all these different recipes and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea. It's so complex. Yeah, it's so complex.

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<v Speaker 1>And you think ice cream ice cream, Well, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>into the history of this, because people have been enjoying

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<v Speaker 1>ice cream for a very long time, absolutely, like a

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<v Speaker 1>very very, very very very long time. The history of

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<v Speaker 1>ice cream is ancient, ancient, ancient, So where did it

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<v Speaker 1>come from? Like, who how did it start so long ago?

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<v Speaker 1>If there was no ice, well there was ice, there

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<v Speaker 1>was no ice cream makers. But where there's snow, there

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<v Speaker 1>is ice, and there's ice cream. Okay, right, So it

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<v Speaker 1>has been basically ice cream has been a luxury item

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<v Speaker 1>for thousands of years, and it was this this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of luxury treat that was only fit for royals because

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<v Speaker 1>they needed to get ice. So there is in the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth century BC, Alexander the Great, he loved to indulge

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<v Speaker 1>in icy drinks flavored with honey or wine. In the

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<v Speaker 1>first century, ice was harvested from nearby mountains and held

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<v Speaker 1>in ice houses that were these sort of deep pits

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<v Speaker 1>covered with straw. So this is something that people would

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<v Speaker 1>do basically put snow in pits up until the nineteenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>so up until not that long ago. And when did

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<v Speaker 1>sugar get added? Well, sugar was added by the Italians,

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<v Speaker 1>of course it was I mean the Italians were really

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<v Speaker 1>took ice cream to a whole you know, other level.

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<v Speaker 1>But even during the Middle Ages, the Arabs drank this

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<v Speaker 1>icy rish freshman called sherbet, flavored with cherry or pomegranate

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<v Speaker 1>or quint so it was sweet but with fruit, not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily with the addition of sugar. But the first time

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<v Speaker 1>that we see sugar added to this sort of Surbet

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<v Speaker 1>was in seventeenth century Italy. This man named Antonio Latini.

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<v Speaker 1>He lived in Naples. He worked for the Spanish viceroy

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<v Speaker 1>in Naples. And this is when this part of southern

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<v Speaker 1>Italy was part of Spain. So we could really credit

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<v Speaker 1>the Italians for taking ice cream to a whole, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>new level. This Sicilian named Francesco Procopio, he opened the

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<v Speaker 1>first cafe in Paris called Il brocop and it's still around.

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<v Speaker 1>This was in sixteen eighty six, and this cafe became

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<v Speaker 1>the meeting place for intellectuals including Benjamin Franklin and Napoleon

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<v Speaker 1>and Victor Hugo. And so he introduced gelato to the

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<v Speaker 1>French public and it was served in these little, poor

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<v Speaker 1>slim bowls resembling a little egg cups. And Procopio became

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<v Speaker 1>known as the father of Italian gelato. This is before

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<v Speaker 1>freezers like you, it was. It was. It was something

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<v Speaker 1>that was quite quite expensive. Gelato has a I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like the texture of gelato. It has a gelatiness to it. Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a different texture than ice cream for sure. So gelato,

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<v Speaker 1>it was actually invented, even before they say that it

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<v Speaker 1>was invented by a stage designer named Bernardo Bonatali who

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<v Speaker 1>made ice cream for the Medici Court in Florence. He's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of never making a gelato, but you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy Procopio made it, you know, brought it to France.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's made with it's less creamy. It's made with

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<v Speaker 1>milk rather than cream, and it has a low or

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<v Speaker 1>percentage of milk fat than ice cream, so it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little smoother and silkier, whereas ice cream has more fat.

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<v Speaker 1>It has egg yolks, so it's a little it's a

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<v Speaker 1>little thicker than the gage. Yeah. The French were also

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<v Speaker 1>experimenting with frozen desserts called fromage, but not fromage. You

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have cheese. It was just called fromage partly because

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<v Speaker 1>of that's probably because a little molds that they were

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<v Speaker 1>that it was actually you know, placed in I've never

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<v Speaker 1>had it. I wonder if you could still find this

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<v Speaker 1>frozen fromage. It's so interesting because as you describe how

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<v Speaker 1>the French experimented with the fromage the frozen dessert, the

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<v Speaker 1>process that they describe, which is stirring it during the

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<v Speaker 1>freezing process is the same as as as a granita. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's also the similar to raspa. Yeah right, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have anice machine, yeah yeah. You just put it

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<v Speaker 1>in the freezer and then you just take a four

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<v Speaker 1>the times of a fork and raspad which is scrape,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you create this sort of like a snow cone,

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<v Speaker 1>basically a raspa. So that's similar to the to the granita.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of raspas, which is super Mexican, I say raspas,

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<v Speaker 1>you say rasp in um. When we were in Vera Cruz,

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<v Speaker 1>it was called something else, raspato. I had never heard

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<v Speaker 1>that before. Yeah, different places, different I grew up calling

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<v Speaker 1>it ras And that's because it's snow coast scrape back

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<v Speaker 1>block of ice. And it's usually served in a coup,

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<v Speaker 1>like in a plastic cup from the street with like

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<v Speaker 1>sugar syrup, you know, pour it on top of a cone.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in a in a plastic cone. Oh I've never

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<v Speaker 1>had it in a cone. I always have it in

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<v Speaker 1>a cup. Oh, I mean a snow cone. Like at

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<v Speaker 1>a carnival. They put it in a cone. Yes, like

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<v Speaker 1>a cone. Cop Stay with us more on the history

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<v Speaker 1>of ice cream right after the break. So what about

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<v Speaker 1>what about ice cream and Mexico nive. Pre Hispanic niven

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<v Speaker 1>never means snow. Niv yeah, Spanish word for snow. I

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<v Speaker 1>always grew up called ice cream nieve. Whether it's water

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<v Speaker 1>based or not, it's for me, it's naev. It's all nieve.

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<v Speaker 1>But Mexico has a very important and ancient tradition of

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<v Speaker 1>eating ice cream. So in Prehispanic Mexico, pikas which were

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<v Speaker 1>these elite, long distant traders that cover these vast networks

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<v Speaker 1>of routes connecting the Aztec Empire. They were responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>obtaining snow from the volcanoes that are surrounding modern day

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico City in a two day process. So they would

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<v Speaker 1>swiftly hike up the volcanoes packed snow and these leather

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<v Speaker 1>satchels that were wrapped with agave fibers in order to

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<v Speaker 1>keep to keep the snow from from melting before it

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<v Speaker 1>reaches final destination. And the snow was sold in luxury

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<v Speaker 1>markets of Platelco, which was the luxury market in modern

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<v Speaker 1>day Mexico City. But the job of flavoring the snow

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<v Speaker 1>fell to a select group of priests who added ingredients

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<v Speaker 1>like honey or agave nectar or fresh fruits like prickly pear,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes a little bit of corn, and the finished product

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<v Speaker 1>was symbolically offered to the gods before being sold in

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<v Speaker 1>the markets at a premium. We talked about this a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit in our chocolate episode that cacao beans were

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<v Speaker 1>used as currency. So the cost of one cup of

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<v Speaker 1>ice cream would cost twenty cacao beans. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>very expensive considering the cost. You could buy a rabbit

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<v Speaker 1>that could feed you know, a bunch of people would

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<v Speaker 1>cost thirty cacao beans, so twenty would buy this luxurious

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<v Speaker 1>cup of nie. Where does where does Tamarin come from Mexico? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Thamarin comes from Mexico, botha Mario, Linamica. They all made

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<v Speaker 1>their way to Mexico post conquest from the Caribbean or Africa. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there are different, you know theories. Tamarindo's native to South Asia,

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<v Speaker 1>but it could have it's South Asians, so you see

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of Indian you know, cuisine. So it could

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<v Speaker 1>have made its way from Asia to the Philippines and

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<v Speaker 1>then into Mexico on the Manella galleons. Or maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>had already made its way to Africa, you know, pre

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<v Speaker 1>colonial Mexico. So maybe it made its way to Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>via Africa. I associate Tamarindo with Mexico, like it's so Mexican.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it was during this colonial period that the

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<v Speaker 1>ingredients were like uh made intergral to the to the

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<v Speaker 1>ice cream, I mean into into Mexican cuisine in general,

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<v Speaker 1>but like damarindo, lime, hibiscus, sugar, um. You know, it

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<v Speaker 1>all became part of the history of ice cream in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>And all of these local fruits. I mean, Mexico has

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<v Speaker 1>amazing local fruits. And when those local fruits met gelato

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<v Speaker 1>recipes by the Italian immigrants, I mean, so many artisanal

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<v Speaker 1>ice creams and sorbets were born during the colonial period

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<v Speaker 1>and they were like churned by hand, um in salt

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<v Speaker 1>filled wooden barrels. That's so funny, Like they were churned

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<v Speaker 1>in wooden barrels. Yeah, you've seen these, probably when you're

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<v Speaker 1>driving in Mexico because you see them in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the you know, the streets. I you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Totacruz, I had ice cream when I

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<v Speaker 1>meant to meet you and Dacrus, I have an ice

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<v Speaker 1>cream everywhere I got. I'm obsessed with ice cream. But

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<v Speaker 1>on the roads. On the side of the roads. In Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>they have these neighbors rafa. So it's these these wooden

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<v Speaker 1>barrels with a metal cylinder on the inside, and in

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<v Speaker 1>between the cylinder and the barrel they put the ice

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<v Speaker 1>and salt and so you turn by hand and it

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<v Speaker 1>freezes the the ice cream, but not like a solid

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<v Speaker 1>block like but it makes these delicious, you know, water

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<v Speaker 1>based ice creams, basically like sorbetsum with these fruit. I

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<v Speaker 1>was in Mexico City a couple of weeks ago and

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<v Speaker 1>I adnavana, which is like the sour sup Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>it was so delicious and it was made like that

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<v Speaker 1>and sold and this little cup. My mouth is watering

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<v Speaker 1>just thinking about. Yeah. Well, the Maluccon and Veracruz has

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<v Speaker 1>a very rich history of ice cream vendors. It's because

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<v Speaker 1>that was the port. So you had the Italian everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you had French people, you had you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all the Europeans, all the Caribbeans, so that Benacruz for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and then also like Goyacan and Socimilco they had there's

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<v Speaker 1>like ice cream festival, so they have this amazing you

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<v Speaker 1>know tradition of ice cream butletice mata also this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of burnt milk m So it's interesting. Like just the

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<v Speaker 1>differences between Mexican ice cream and American ones is that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Mexican ice creams are more fruit is front

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<v Speaker 1>and center, right, whereas American ice creams are more you know, chunky,

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<v Speaker 1>right like Ben and Jerry's with like chunks of brownie

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<v Speaker 1>or cookies and cream which is my favorite, with trunks

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<v Speaker 1>of oreos um. You don't really see that in Mexico. No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>like Mexican ice creams closer to the gelato or less flat,

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<v Speaker 1>less fat less air very few or egg based, and

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<v Speaker 1>fruit is always front and center, like for sure, front

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<v Speaker 1>and center. And that's why I think balletas and snow

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<v Speaker 1>cones are way more popular in Mexico than ice cream

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<v Speaker 1>per se. Yeah, I think they're both. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>think maybe the ice cream. Depending on where you are

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<v Speaker 1>in Mexico, there is a big sort of ice cream,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, traditional let Goyacan. In Mexico City, there's tons

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<v Speaker 1>of ice cream vendors all over. I was in the

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<v Speaker 1>Chacon a few months ago also, like ice cream was everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>but different than the ice cream shops that we see here.

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<v Speaker 1>Like going to like basket Robins or Jennies or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>They're more sort of outside, yeah, like a little like

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<v Speaker 1>a little vendors that have an ice cream and then

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<v Speaker 1>separately the balletas and separately the last bus. So then

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of raspas, that brings us to the Americas. So

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<v Speaker 1>when did ice cream reach the America's obviously with colonization,

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<v Speaker 1>with colonized like everything else, like everything else. European settlers

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<v Speaker 1>in the early seventeen hundreds, and they brought their European

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<v Speaker 1>cookbooks with them and they start you start seeing ice

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<v Speaker 1>cream molds that are super cool. I've been looking. I

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<v Speaker 1>always go off and go like on eBay or et

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<v Speaker 1>C to see if I could find these old ice

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<v Speaker 1>cream molds. So they would basically put them in there

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<v Speaker 1>to shape these ice cream and they had like fruit

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<v Speaker 1>shapes or little animal shapes, and it became, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>very popular among the upper classes. But the first ice

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<v Speaker 1>cream parlor opened in New York in seventeen ninety, and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody was like George Washington during the summer of seventeen ninety,

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington was a fan. Thomas Jefferson was a fan

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<v Speaker 1>a Graham Lincoln's wife was a fan of ice cream.

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<v Speaker 1>She would she would hold strawberry parties, serving ripe strawberries

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<v Speaker 1>with cake and ice cream like this, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>go to that. This was like a you know that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like a fun party. So it was pretty popular

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<v Speaker 1>in the seventeen Yeah, the seventeen nineties, that's the era. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the first, the earliest recipe for ice cream in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>He's actually written in Thomas Jefferson's hand. Wow. So cool.

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<v Speaker 1>He brought this recipe back to the US from Paris

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<v Speaker 1>he lived in He lived in Paris for four years

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<v Speaker 1>before the French Revolution, and when he came back, he

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<v Speaker 1>brought back eighty six crates of kitchen equipment, including an

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<v Speaker 1>ice cream maker, and there was a recipe earliest recipe

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<v Speaker 1>for vanilla ice cream. Yeah, and a relative of his.

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<v Speaker 1>I have this cook of the Virginia Housewife. This is

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<v Speaker 1>from eighteen twenty four by Mary Randolph, who was related

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<v Speaker 1>to him by by mary marriage. She includes twenty different

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<v Speaker 1>recipes for ice cream in this cookbook. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen twenty four, so this is very very early on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was like up and running, I mean it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a thing by eighteen twenty four, ice cream

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<v Speaker 1>was a thing. You know what's so funny is that

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<v Speaker 1>how much ice cream we consume in America. That nine

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<v Speaker 1>percent of American cow's milk production is dedicated to ice cream,

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<v Speaker 1>and that vanilla is the most popular flavor. It's my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite flavor. Don't go anywhere. When we come back, we've

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<v Speaker 1>got more on the history of ice cream. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to Hungry for History. Fanny Gerson is the chef and

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<v Speaker 1>founder of Lanu Jurquina, and New York based frozen treats

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<v Speaker 1>and baked goods shop dedicated to celebrating this sweets of Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is Fanny telling us a bit about herself, sharing

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<v Speaker 1>what inspired her to open her business, and giving us

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<v Speaker 1>her thoughts on what makes Mexican flavors so unique. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Fanny Gerson. I was born and raised in

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico City, and Lani Yorkina is a company that I

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<v Speaker 1>started in two thousand and ten. I had spent the

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<v Speaker 1>year prior to that doing research for my first cookbook,

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<v Speaker 1>called My Sweet Mexico. Really that experience changed me, so

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<v Speaker 1>one day I literally had a dream that I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to open a Mexican ice cream shop. In New

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<v Speaker 1>York and that's how Lan Yorkina was born. And I

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<v Speaker 1>decided to start with paltas Mexican style ice pops because

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, you know, this is a way to test

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<v Speaker 1>the idea without you know, costing much less than I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to buy a machine. And also I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see anybody really making baltas in New York. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>how it started. And now Lemi Yorquina. We are still

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<v Speaker 1>known mainly for frozen treats for our Balta's ice cream,

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<v Speaker 1>but we also do all sorts of treats, sweets, candies, confections, cakes,

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<v Speaker 1>to ross all kinds of stuff. So to me, the

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<v Speaker 1>sweetness of Mexico encompasses a lot of things, like not

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<v Speaker 1>just literally sweet, you know, because everything that we do

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<v Speaker 1>is say is sweet, but really highlighting our culture in

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful, delicious, positive and rich way. You know. Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>food often get sort of put together as this lump thing,

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<v Speaker 1>like there's one thing, you know, and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of assumptions about it. But Mexican food is incredibly rich,

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<v Speaker 1>very regional, and there's been a lot of things written

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<v Speaker 1>and researched about the cuisine as a whole, but not

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot specifically on sweets. So I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>it was out of my own curiosity. So it's really

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<v Speaker 1>celebrating that. And for the most part, also a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the traditions in Mexico, particularly the sweets, are oral ones,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning they're passed down from generation to generation. So for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a celebration that it's rooted in tradition and just

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<v Speaker 1>giving it continuity. I think that one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>interesting things about Mexican ice cream is if you think

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<v Speaker 1>about ice cream and jelato, Like in different parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the world, if you go to a shop or a stand,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to see mostly cream based or milk based selections,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ice creams and the sorbet. You may have

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<v Speaker 1>like one or two trickle. You know, they're sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like as a thing, but in Mexico it's the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>You often see like more fruit based ones or at

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<v Speaker 1>least half, and they're just so bright and colorful, and

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<v Speaker 1>also it's it's they are so amazing. They really are.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the flavors that we have, they're very sort of

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<v Speaker 1>in your face, like a lot of you know, Mexican flavors,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're playful, and that's the other thing I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to mention, like Mexican food in particularly the sweets

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<v Speaker 1>are very playful and joyful, and I think that that

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<v Speaker 1>makes them particularly special and that I hope when people

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<v Speaker 1>come to New York they can get a taste of lamarquina.

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<v Speaker 1>Although if you do live in the US, we ship nationwide,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's that's pretty cool. What's your favorite flavor of

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<v Speaker 1>ice cream? Well, I love vanilla ice cream. It's what

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<v Speaker 1>I always have in my freezer. But my favorite is

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<v Speaker 1>cookies and cream. Okay, yeah, I don't like cookies and cream.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like mint. I don't know why people put

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<v Speaker 1>mint and chocolate together. That does not make sense. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like those Girl Scout cookies that have mint and chocolate.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like thin mints. I don't like mint chocolate.

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<v Speaker 1>Why who put those two things together? Makes me very angry. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the International Dairy Foods Association in twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>Americans eat roughly twenty pounds of ice cream each year,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's about four gallons per person. So this is like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot of ice cream. That's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>ice cream. This is why I don't have cookies and

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<v Speaker 1>cream in my freezer because I would eat four gallons probably,

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, if it's if it's in the freezer, it

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<v Speaker 1>will be eaten Dairy Queen, which is my favorite, probably

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite ice cream. Oh my god, you're not glad

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<v Speaker 1>you brought up Derek Queen. Okay, got Dairy Queen. Is

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing better? I was. I made a big note

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<v Speaker 1>on my notes the soft syrup dipped in chocolate dip

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<v Speaker 1>cone and and the dilly bar, which is the dilly bar.

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<v Speaker 1>The dilly bar is basically the same thing. It's on

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<v Speaker 1>a stick. It's basically the soft serve and dipped, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's on a stick. Um, so it has the hard

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<v Speaker 1>shell chocolate. And so anyway, I love dairy I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's the ice cream I grew up with. That was

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<v Speaker 1>like the fancy if we were going to splurge that

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<v Speaker 1>we would go to Dairy Queen. Yeah, growing up it

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<v Speaker 1>was Dairy Queen. And every time I go to Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to go to Dairy Queen. It's a road

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<v Speaker 1>trip stop. Like every single time. It's the cone, the

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<v Speaker 1>curly with the chocolate and you have to eat it

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<v Speaker 1>really quickly because it's mouths. I also, if we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go to Dairy Queen, it was the ice cream man,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the ice cream truck. We didn't really do

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<v Speaker 1>the have the ice I don't have a memory of

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<v Speaker 1>an ice cream No, I don't really have memory of

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<v Speaker 1>an ice cream truck growing up. Dairy Queen one percent,

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<v Speaker 1>because there was one very close to my house. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also we would we would actually go across

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<v Speaker 1>No Laredo and by there was a place there called Larrechia,

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<v Speaker 1>and we always bought. We always had it. Our freezer

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<v Speaker 1>always had lime. But I don't really remember the ice

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<v Speaker 1>cream truck growing Okay, See, you and I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>so different and so similar because I didn't grow up

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<v Speaker 1>with baltas. We didn't have them in Corpus Christi. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really didn't get into balas you call them, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like popsicles, yeah, but fruiting. No, They're like, no,

0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:19.359
<v Speaker 1>they're popsicles on steroids. Because these the combination flavors that

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<v Speaker 1>Mexicans do with these popsicles, like the Ta Marino mangol,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the coconut with chile or whatever. Like they're

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<v Speaker 1>just amazing combinations. And I never really had them until

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<v Speaker 1>I married Bippe and they're everywhere obviously in Mexico. In

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico City, yeah, I didn't grow up with balata and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what is this? And because I'm black,

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<v Speaker 1>those in Dollar Now they're my new favorite thing. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god. Yeah. And we grew up even in Laredo

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<v Speaker 1>with a little especially downtown Laredo that's cool, closer to

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<v Speaker 1>the bridge, the palate, the little you know, the guy

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<v Speaker 1>with a little cart and had these water based you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Mario with my guy and all of these like amazing flavors.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's interesting that And I always have in

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<v Speaker 1>my freezer. I always have Valta's, always have, always, always,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's always have line Valetta's Mango. I make them.

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<v Speaker 1>Also there's this brand that's like a yes, they have

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<v Speaker 1>I know that they're the best. They have them. They

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<v Speaker 1>sell palates at grocery stores. I buy them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at the grocery stores here in La It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>hot pink box. And they make the best pecan Valtas.

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<v Speaker 1>They're incredible. So I always have Falitas and I always

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<v Speaker 1>have ice cream in my freezer always. Thank you so

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