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Speaker 1: Hi am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and.

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Speaker 2: What it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling railvalry.

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Speaker 1: No, no, sibling RAI hopeful you don't do that with

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Speaker 1: your mouth.

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Speaker 2: Sibling revelry.

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Speaker 3: That's good.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes of snow co found. Sometimes the sound goes wrong.

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Speaker 4: Here you go and.

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Speaker 3: When you the chance, he can't.

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Speaker 1: He can't help himself.

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Speaker 2: Less because nineteen ninety one, that song was not in

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Speaker 2: Case you Need, in Case you Forgot, Vanessa. It was

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one, and it was much a It's one

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Speaker 2: of those memories you know when you hear a song

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Speaker 2: and it takes you right back to where you were

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Speaker 2: in your life and what you were going through and

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Speaker 2: what you were feeling. That song does that for me.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's like one of those core memory songs,

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Speaker 1: right it does.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's that. And then we built this city

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Speaker 2: on rock and roll. Those two.

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Speaker 1: Oh hi guys, welcome. Hey, it's nice to see. Where

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Speaker 1: is everybody, Vanessa. You're in London, right.

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Speaker 5: I'm in London. I got a show tonight. I yeah,

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Speaker 5: so I'm doing devil Re's product or across the street at.

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Speaker 4: The Dominion Theater. Oh fine, Yeah, it's been fun.

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Speaker 1: How's that going? Are you enjoying every second?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I mean we've been doing it since pretty much like

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Speaker 5: almost entire year. We did the workshop last January for

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Speaker 5: two weeks, and then we came back and started rehearsals

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Speaker 5: in London May June. Then we went to Fun doing

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Speaker 5: through August, and then came back in September. So we've

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Speaker 5: been running here.

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Speaker 1: For Wow, so you're ready for You're ready for Mutation.

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Speaker 2: And then his theater something that you've done for a

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Speaker 2: long long time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a I mean I major to musical

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Speaker 5: theater in college. Then first I've done off Broadway in

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Speaker 5: that first Broadway show was nineteen ninety four, so that's

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Speaker 5: already Jesus Wow. Thirty one years ago did Kiss the

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Speaker 5: Spider Woman. I've worked with Sisley Tyson and Tripped a

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Speaker 5: bantiful I did Into the Woods with Sondheim and Find

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Speaker 5: of done After Midnight.

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Speaker 4: I just did Potus two years ago with Leo Delaria

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Speaker 4: and Julie White and.

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Speaker 2: Wow, So you're a real actor. Yeah, Kate just does

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Speaker 2: rom coms and Netflix shows, and I pretty much sticked

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Speaker 2: Hallmark and Fox.

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Speaker 1: Chris, Where are you Are you in La?

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Speaker 6: I'm in La.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm in La right now. That's the moment. I'm

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Speaker 7: usually I'm going all over the place. I'm traveling a lot.

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Speaker 2: So are you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm fifty two countries now, WHOA I like to

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Speaker 6: get around?

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Speaker 2: What are you just for fun? Are you doing this

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Speaker 2: for work?

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Speaker 6: Just for fun? Good for you? Don't work?

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Speaker 7: I mean I shot a movie in Bulgaria, which is interesting,

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Speaker 7: and shot some stuff on other countries. But yeah, I'd

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Speaker 7: just like to see different. Like the more I see

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Speaker 7: other countries and other places, the more it gives your

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Speaker 7: perspective on your own place, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Without it like people are people everywhere all across the world.

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Speaker 6: You know, people are crying, laughing, you know. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I had a trip like that actually with

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Speaker 2: my mom. I was nineteen years old and I just

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Speaker 2: quit college because I didn't want to do that anymore.

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Speaker 2: And she took me to She took me to India

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Speaker 2: and I was there for three weeks and experiencing sort

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Speaker 2: of an entirely different civilization in my mind. And I

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Speaker 2: came back with me this isn't realistically, your life isn't changed,

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Speaker 2: but it does sort of shift your perspective.

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Speaker 1: And Allie Ollie was like the scene in White Lotus

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Speaker 1: when she was sitting down and she was like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but I.

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Speaker 2: Just that that was so fun.

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Speaker 1: I just really like traditioning and yeah, yeah it was.

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Speaker 2: It was incredible and the best thing I took from it,

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Speaker 2: the most important thing, was that you know, you you

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Speaker 2: think you're entering a world of extreme poverty, and of

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Speaker 2: course you are at times, but the joy that a

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Speaker 2: lot of these people had with nothing was just so

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Speaker 2: incredible to see. And that was the perspective shift. It

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Speaker 2: chased me down to the Ganges and wanted to kill

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Speaker 2: me because I filmed. I filmed him with a camera,

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Speaker 2: not understanding that. You know, the thought I was, I

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Speaker 2: literally was screaming after me, and I ran down to

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Speaker 2: the Ganges and var Nasi.

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Speaker 1: I would give it anything, I would get anything. Do

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Speaker 1: you have seen that, Chris? You just gave me an

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Speaker 1: idea that what an amazing thing to know how many

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Speaker 1: countries you've seen? I now I want to go through

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Speaker 1: and kind of think about because I love to travel

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Speaker 1: so much, and I've never really thought about it like that,

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Speaker 1: like how many countries have I seen? And you just

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Speaker 1: think that there was such a short time on this earth.

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Speaker 1: There's so many places to see.

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Speaker 7: Even when you say something and like I was in

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Speaker 7: saying thirty six years ago and it's completely changed, you

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Speaker 7: go through it again, and so you can never really

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Speaker 7: get you know, you need a sense of some countries

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Speaker 7: and stuff.

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Speaker 6: But like I've been back to Italy. I love Italy.

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Speaker 7: I've been going back, you know, two three times a

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Speaker 7: year in the last last two years.

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Speaker 6: So I really want to move there. That's like.

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Speaker 7: And it's nice to have vanessas base in London, so

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Speaker 7: now I can I can go from there, which is good.

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Speaker 5: You studied there your junior year abroad, were at Georgetown,

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Speaker 5: so that she gave you your Italian flavor. They lived

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Speaker 5: in the former Rockefeller estate looking over Florence and Pisa.

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Speaker 4: Like in college, how.

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Speaker 2: Did you how did you score that pad?

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Speaker 6: Georgetown?

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Speaker 7: My university owns the villa, so we had twelve students

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Speaker 7: there in this beautiful it just overlooks the the Florence.

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Speaker 7: And then I remember the first time I walked into

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Speaker 7: the Villa of like ten in the morning, nine in

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Speaker 7: the morning, and there was just a miss over all

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Speaker 7: of Florence and you could just see the dome, the Duomo.

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Speaker 7: And I was like, Oh, this.

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Speaker 6: Is why the Renaissance ap in here, because that looks

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Speaker 6: like a painting. Yeah, you know, so I'm obsessed with Italy.

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Speaker 1: Wow, we're Italian. We're half Italian. And when I remember

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Speaker 1: I like went to Sicily for the first time and

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Speaker 1: I was like because we're Sicilian, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: everything functions better here. My skin, my hair, my life,

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Speaker 1: my personality. I belong in Italy and I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I would love to move to Italy. I would love

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Speaker 1: to or at least spend a lot of my year

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Speaker 1: in Italy. It's like my one of my.

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Speaker 7: You did the ancestry, we did the ancestor Dana. So

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Speaker 7: I'm twelve percent suppose Italian.

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Speaker 1: What what is your hair? What is everything? What's your

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Speaker 1: is it?

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Speaker 3: It must be?

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Speaker 4: It goes, It's it's pretty complicated. I'll have to pull

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Speaker 4: it up. Chris you can mark time while I'm doing this.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean that's the two things. When you

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Speaker 4: said that your trip to India changed your life.

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Speaker 5: When I went to Ghana a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 5: that was life changing because I got a chance to

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Speaker 5: not only go into the slave trade museum of castle,

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Speaker 5: but we do this thing called the Last Bath, and

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Speaker 5: the local chief came up to are the women that

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Speaker 5: were traveling with me and gave us like a laurel

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Speaker 5: of fresh leaves and and we all had bowls with

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Speaker 5: our Ghanaian names. Mine was Ajua, which means born on Monday.

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Speaker 5: And we took our bowls down barefoot down the path

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Speaker 5: where they used to bring the slaves chain for the

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Speaker 5: last bath before mm hm hip.

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Speaker 4: So it was trippy.

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Speaker 2: Was that emotional?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Just you're sitting in the shill, go into the water

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Speaker 5: and you're holding the bowl and it gives you some

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Speaker 5: spirits and he's like just you know, talk to your ancestors,

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Speaker 5: and it was just like, thank you for making the

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Speaker 5: trip to make my life possible. If you didn't survive,

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't be on the other side.

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Speaker 4: So it was and it was it was incredible.

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Speaker 2: I mean, did you feel did you feel a certain

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Speaker 2: energy like when you're you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 2: that's just profound, deep energy.

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Speaker 6: It seem exactly do you know IgE of what our

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Speaker 6: family is.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, mine is different from obviously her twelve percent, Nigerian

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Speaker 7: twelve percent, Southern Italy eleven percent, Gone on Ivory Coast

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Speaker 7: ten percent, benin Togo ten percent, Scottish eight percent, Denmark

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Speaker 7: four percent, Central West Africa four percent, England three percent,

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Speaker 7: ban To two percent, Philippines, Nigerian woodlands one percent, another like.

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Speaker 6: Iceland one percent, France, Wales. So it's like very so

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Speaker 6: you're on a mix. Wow for Muths. We're really MutS.

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Speaker 7: And both of our parents have brown eyes as well,

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Speaker 7: so there's successive traits on both sides.

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Speaker 4: The grandfather had but our grandfather had blue eyes.

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Speaker 5: Are all of my father's siblings, you know, our aunts

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Speaker 5: and uncle. So it's you know, it's the mixt percent English.

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Speaker 5: You know, so he was what were you English? So

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Speaker 5: it all yeah stuff, but.

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Speaker 4: Our American history.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just pulled I remember this. I'm I'm to

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Speaker 2: two and a half percent North African. Oh, I feel

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Speaker 2: I feel pretty solid about My brother.

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Speaker 1: Riders to two point six percent North African, and he's, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's one one percent for them, and then he's actually

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Speaker 1: two point six uh percent West African.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I'm one point three percent Iranian. Wow, I

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Speaker 2: just knew it. I could have guessed it. I could

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Speaker 2: have guessed all that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you we're actually pretty we're kind of we've

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Speaker 1: got to we're mutts too, but but our biggest thing

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Speaker 1: is is Sicilian and then everything else. We're all over

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Speaker 1: East Asian, North African, Middle East. So from DNA to

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Speaker 1: like family background, where were you both, Where were you born?

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Speaker 1: Where did you grow up?

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Speaker 7: So we're from Westchester, New York, a small hamlet called

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Speaker 7: Millwood in the town of Newcastle, which is about forty

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Speaker 7: five minutes outside the city. So it's not upstate. I

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Speaker 7: don't consider it upstate. Albany upstate. So we had close

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Speaker 7: proximity to New York City. Our parents took us to

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Speaker 7: Broadway shows, the museums, to all kinds of events in

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Speaker 7: the city.

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Speaker 5: And I did live in the Bronx for years, so

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Speaker 5: I've got Bronx cred East.

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Speaker 7: We were one of the first black families in our town,

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Speaker 7: so we were the yeah, and when I graduated, there

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Speaker 7: was twenty black kids that of twelve hundred, But we

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Speaker 7: didn't really know any better, just because you know, that's

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Speaker 7: all I knew, all we knew.

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Speaker 6: So we were a parent.

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Speaker 7: There were both music teachers, elementary school music teachers, and

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Speaker 7: We found this really great, great neighborhood and we were

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Speaker 1: What what is your age difference?

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Speaker 4: Four years?

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Speaker 1: And are you full siblings?

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Speaker 1: God, okay? So and there are any other siblings?

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Speaker 6: Nope, they could only handle two of us.

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Speaker 5: Both our parents taught elementary music teachers. My mother was

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Speaker 7: Were required through high school to play an instruments and supposedly,

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Speaker 7: And I played the obo, which was like Mason, we chose,

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Speaker 2: You're like, dad, Dad, what, what's an instrument that all

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Speaker 1: So, so your dad was a horn player. Did he

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Speaker 5: Well, my mom definitely played piano and Oregon going through

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Speaker 4: And he used to do.

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Speaker 4: And then we ended up you know, there was a

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Speaker 6: So they're also.

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Speaker 7: Part of a choral group, a baroque choral group that

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Speaker 1: Surrounding music that's intense. Baroque is a very yeah, very

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Speaker 1: Yes, wow you so you guys like had no choice.

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Speaker 7: Interestingly interestingly enough, I did a small little ditty of

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Speaker 6: Said he's getting a response.

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Speaker 7: Oh that's my like recent connection to music.

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Speaker 4: But it's the name of the song.

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Speaker 6: It's called physical Physical.

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Speaker 7: It's a really silly well it's yeah, it's a nice

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Speaker 6: It's fun.

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Speaker 1: That's so fun.

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Speaker 6: But I play, I mean I played the saxophone like

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Speaker 7: Just take it out just to try to play something,

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure I have a female saxophonist in my

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Speaker 6: Yeah, much sexier than THEO.

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Speaker 2: No, I know, but that's what I'm about to say.

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Speaker 1: So, Vanessa, when you were were you a good big

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we were never in school at the same time,

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Speaker 7: And she was always four years had just to leave

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Speaker 6: Have to se like, now what I have to step in? Oh?

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Speaker 7: So she had already blazed through middle when she was

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Speaker 6: Then I had to become middle school president.

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Speaker 7: And then she went to do all this theater and

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Speaker 2: At What were you when.

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Speaker 1: You won Miss America? Vanessa went twenty, So were you

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: I was at Syracuse majoring in musical theater, and the

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Speaker 4: Up for it.

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Speaker 5: One, won it in April, went to State's July, won that,

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Speaker 1: Months I was, oh my god, that was crazy to.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's amazing. Well, my wife was Miss teen Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know this.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It was one of the reasons why I almost

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Speaker 1: She do we have this footage?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, pictures and oh it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Oh. I am so fascinated by the pageant world because

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Speaker 7: Well, it was it was four years was just enough

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Speaker 6: So I was trying to be the good boy, you know,

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Speaker 1: I want to get into that.

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Speaker 6: She got a lot more trouble than I did.

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Speaker 2: Really, but you were like class president, you were at this,

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Speaker 1: Huh, what kind of trouble did you get into me?

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Speaker 4: Everything? Good? Lord?

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Speaker 5: I was I thought you were talking when I was

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Speaker 5: And so you know, hitch I hitch hike. I got

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Speaker 4: I couldn't go to the prom because I was grounded.

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Speaker 6: But the.

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Speaker 5: dare you?

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Speaker 4: You planted pot?

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Speaker 5: And I was, and I honestly did not know what

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Speaker 2: Dumped you dumped the bowl out and there was seeds

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Speaker 1: Seeds in Oliver decided one time to try to to

448
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: He tried to plant to be have a little green

449
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: thumb plants and marijuana plants up in the hills.

450
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, a few weed stories. I mean the first

451
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: time I ever planted weed, they grew like one hundred

452
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: feet tall. Didn't know what I was doing, you know,

453
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: there was no trimming, there was no nothing. And then

454
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: we see like a bug on it. I'm like, oh,

455
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 2: we got a pesticide it and they turned like pink.

456
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: And then we tried it, and then we dried out

457
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 2: all the leaves, stripped the leaves, and then crushed the

458
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: leaves up, not even understanding that the buds is what

459
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: it actually gets you high. We rolled these pesto joints

460
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 2: and we were giving them around and people were coughing

461
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 2: and throwing up and it was a disaster. But everyone

462
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 2: was so young that they were like, oh that's good shit,

463
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: Like I can't even coughing this much. This is amazing.

464
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 2: They're not getting high, they're just going to the hospital.

465
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So you were a trouble maker. I

466
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: like Mess.

467
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 6: I like that.

468
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 5: That's your family nicknamed Mess. Yeah, my dad actually became

469
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 5: famous because now I've told this story so many times.

470
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 5: At one time I got in trouble and he said, well,

471
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 5: you don't deserve and I slammed the door after getting

472
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 5: into a fight with my parents or my mom or something,

473
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 5: and he came went to the garage, came up, got

474
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 5: his electric screwdriver and took my door off the hinges

475
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 5: and put in the garage.

476
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 2: Get okay, great, move that door again.

477
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 5: And I didn't have promises for like at least two months.

478
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 5: Literally no privacy in my room.

479
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

480
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 6: I should have known better. And then my dog got

481
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 6: taken off after I slammed it. So try to put it.

482
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 6: I started from the sheet up and like, no, you

483
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 6: don't deserve privacy.

484
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, Well, not to get all psychological, but where

485
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: do you think that rebelliousness came from? You know what

486
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: I mean? Do you think you were just born with

487
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 2: that sort of piston vinegar? Or was there a reason

488
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 2: for it? You know?

489
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 6: Well?

490
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 4: I I think.

491
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 5: I mean, my mother and I butted heads a lot,

492
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 5: and the more I got to kill her, and I

493
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 5: knew that she was a troublemaker and an upstart and

494
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 5: very vocal, and so that fire in my belly certainly

495
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 5: was from her.

496
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your sign?

497
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 5: I'm I am piscy uh sagittarian moon and a cancer

498
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 5: rising Venus isn't Aquarius mars Is and leoh.

499
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: I would have thought you were a fire sign.

500
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 5: Well, the I think the the satritage moon of adventure

501
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 5: or whatever, and and uh yeah. But also I'm such

502
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 5: a mother and such a come let me fix it.

503
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: Okay everybody, So that's I'm a cancer rising too.

504
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 6: Okay, hmm, double scorpio, because.

505
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: Everybody you ever meet that's in decides is like, oh.

506
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 2: I have a double clue.

507
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

508
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: I did my thing, and I was like, I know

509
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: I'm a virgo, but like I'm born in a full moon,

510
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: I'm something rising. I don't know, pale moon. I'm pale

511
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: moon the way I want to go back. So did

512
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: you witness Did you think you saw who your mother

513
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: was and be able to witness that and you took

514
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 2: that on or found that is to be a part

515
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: of you.

516
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I matched her energy. She came from Buffalo,

517
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 5: she had, you know, like an urban always achiever and

518
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 5: so much expectation, and she wanted to get out of

519
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 5: there on the first thing smoke and as soon as

520
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 5: she got went to college and married my dad that

521
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 5: summer and got out. So, you know, she came from the.

522
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 4: Streets of Buffalo, which is still urban.

523
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 5: But was from Long Island, grew up in Oyster Bay,

524
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 5: you know, so you know, picked beans and farm kind

525
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 5: of that really relaxed, chill environment, big family, very very affectionate.

526
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 5: So it was a thank god we had our dad

527
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 5: to be the the xicalle counter balance because my mom

528
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 5: you know, didn't give physical touch. Really, it's really hard

529
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 5: for her to be loving. And I remember my dad

530
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 5: read to us every night, and I remember having talk

531
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 5: with my Dad's like why can't mom love me? Why

532
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 5: can't And he would say, it's been really tough for her.

533
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 5: Mom have tough childhood. So that was that was our balance.

534
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 4: Thank god.

535
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 7: She was not a morning person, was at least a

536
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 7: morning person, so there was a great counterbalance between the

537
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 7: two of them.

538
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 5: More she like didn't trust me and was always kind

539
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 5: of putting limitations on me. I broke out of it,

540
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 5: so we were head to head for a long time.

541
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 2: You know, It's interesting and there's a reason for this

542
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: sort of line of questioning because you know, I have kids.

543
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: Kate has kids and they're are My oldest is seventeen.

544
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: You're getting to the ages now where you know, rebellion

545
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: is natural and it's real. And then as far as

546
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 2: parenting goes, i'm I'm not a hypocrisy is my biggest

547
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: pet peeve. I don't understand it essentially, And when I

548
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: look back on my childhood, Arou'm fifteen, sixteen, seventeen and

549
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: the things that I did, And then now I'm trying

550
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: to parent. Do you give your children? Or how come

551
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: your mom didn't understand who she was and use that,

552
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: you know, as far as now raising you meaning, oh wait,

553
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: this is who I was? How am I now? Why

554
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: am I getting on these kids so hardcore?

555
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 6: You know?

556
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 5: I think my dad gave me the grace to be free,

557
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 5: and then my mother would try to counteract that, so

558
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 5: I think, and I also think my mother wanted to

559
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 5: protect me because you know, I think she saw the

560
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 5: lens that, oh my god, she's not gullible because my

561
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 5: dad trusted everybody, and she didn't.

562
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 4: Want that that I have for my dad to affect me.

563
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 5: And of course I got burned because you know, obviously

564
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 5: you know that you know I resigned from Miss America

565
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 5: after these photos came out, and that was me trusting

566
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 5: a local photographer who I didn't have a release from

567
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 5: and me being open and like, oh, I trust them,

568
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 5: and she could see that that was a part of

569
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 5: me that was like my dad. So it was always

570
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 5: trying to like, you know, kind of hone and cut

571
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 5: that instinct down that I had for trusting. So I

572
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 5: think she was try maybe and I.

573
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: Think to like, you know, so, especially for girls and

574
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: their moms, there is that time. I think boys do

575
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: the same thing, but it's a little bit different, like

576
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: we I was reading this somewhere I thought it was

577
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: really interesting. But we have to individuate from our mothers.

578
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: And the more your mom identifies with you, the more

579
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: you push against it. It's like, you know, and it's

580
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: like you aren't me, I'm not you. Let me. I

581
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: need to go be myself, my own person. That happens

582
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: in your teenage years, like fifteen sixteen with girls sometimes fourteen,

583
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: and it's really intense, I think, much more intense than

584
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: it is for the boys and their fathers.

585
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 5: And the more.

586
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: Your mom tries to hold on, I think, or any

587
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: mother tries to hold on really tight, you're it's like

588
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: you're just gonna be You're in for it, Like you

589
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: kind of gotta let your girls go and make their mistakes,

590
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, and be there for them when they make

591
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: the mistake, you know. And it's such a hard thing

592
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: because you know, it's like like they say that there

593
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: was this great research done that if your kids aren't

594
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: doing that, then they're not following like the actual nature

595
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: of how we're supposed to be growing and individuating. Because

596
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: you want your kids to push you away. That's sort

597
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: of like what we're meant to do to survive.

598
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 2: You know, how did you how do you with your children,

599
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: you know, watching them grow up and go through their

600
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: sort of bellious nature if they had one, how did

601
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: how are you different in the way that you handled that,

602
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: you know from your mother?

603
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 6: Maybe?

604
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think my mom was so concerned about what

605
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 5: everybody was going to think about her and us as

606
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 5: a family.

607
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 4: So we had to keep it up here the status

608
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 4: he here.

609
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 5: Or keep it you know, and got it every time

610
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 5: there was some scandal or any kind of you know,

611
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 5: you know, not a perfect.

612
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 4: Picture that she'd come and attack my kids.

613
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I've got four or three from

614
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 5: my first husband and second from Rick Fox, who you know,

615
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 5: so has two parents that are in.

616
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 4: The in the media, you know.

617
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 5: So we wanted to make sure that she had the

618
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 5: freedom to make mistakes and we'd be there to support her.

619
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 5: Who cares if everybody else don't read any comments. So

620
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 5: it was much more. We weren't trying to isolate her,

621
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 5: but it was like, who cares, We'll handle it, you know,

622
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 5: it's not that big of a deal, and don't try

623
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 5: to even replicate anything that we've done.

624
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 4: My eldest kind of felt, I mean, she went.

625
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 5: To a different school because all my kids actually moved

626
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 5: back to my hometown, so they all went to my school.

627
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 5: So she had a hard time kind of being she

628
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 5: was the first and trying to being her own, her

629
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 5: own entity. So she had up leaving school and going

630
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 5: to Sacred Heart for a couple of years, and she

631
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 5: went to boarding school just so she could have her

632
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 5: own identity and nobody knew who she was, but the

633
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 5: other kids were were fine.

634
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Chris, what about you, I mean, how

635
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: is it a different experience? Because Kate and I have

636
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: been doing this for years now, and it's so interesting

637
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: with age dynamic and parents and perception, and you know,

638
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: Vanessa might have one idea of how her parents were

639
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: and then you might have another. And we've seen that

640
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: that across all siblings.

641
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 6: You know.

642
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think well, since we were you know, exactly

643
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 7: four years apart, the it was hard to see such

644
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 7: a such a trailblaze that she was. She was blaming

645
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 7: through to try to figure out what my.

646
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 6: Legacy was going to be. Mm hmm.

647
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 7: So I went to I was actually gonna be I

648
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 7: wanted to be a sports broadcaster. So I wanted to

649
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 7: go to the best school in the country, which was Syracuse,

650
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 7: which is New House School, which is you know, I

651
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 7: think the Gumbles went there, Brian A, Bob Constants anyway,

652
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 7: and I did not go specifically because I couldn't do

653
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 7: another four years of being her brother and not having

654
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 7: my own identity. So I went a complete different direction.

655
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 7: I went to Georgetown and just got a liberal arts degree,

656
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 7: and I was going to go to law school and

657
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 7: I was going to be a lawyer, and uh, you know,

658
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 7: took the alsats and was going to defer year to

659
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 7: go to Georgetown Law School. And I actually two weeks

660
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 7: after I graduated from Georgetown, I drove out, drove out

661
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 7: to LA and I stayed with stay with her, and

662
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 7: uh I did I knew? I I mean, I'm a performer.

663
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 7: I knew I didn't want to be a lawyer. I

664
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 7: was in then I was like, nigg will be an

665
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 7: entertainment lawyer.

666
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 6: That wasn't That wasn't good.

667
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 7: So I was doing the in the recognistry, doing record

668
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 7: industry stuff at at Vanessa's label and with the president

669
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 7: and just trying to figure out what I want to do.

670
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 7: And then I did a play when I was like

671
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 7: twenty five because every kept going, well, when are you

672
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 7: going to get to performing? When are you gonna get

673
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 7: to acting? Because all my friends are lawyers, bankers, businessmen.

674
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 7: So I figured, you know, that's what I was going

675
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 7: to be as well. And there's no stage for how

676
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 7: to be I'm an actor. You just have to just

677
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 7: do it and get out there and put yourself. But

678
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 7: so I looked at it as my grad school and

679
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 7: at twenty five, I did a show and they're like, well,

680
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 7: when are you going to start doing this? So then

681
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 7: I started, uh, you know, because uh it was I

682
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 7: told myself in complete debt and credit card debt because

683
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 7: that was my grad school, so that's how I was looking

684
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 7: in And then I got a TVs.

685
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 6: I did some small things.

686
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 7: We did Fresh Prints of bel Air together and there's

687
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 7: some small things here and there, and then I got

688
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 7: a TV show.

689
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 6: On the on the WB called The Hype.

690
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 7: It was a sketch comedy show because I do a

691
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 7: lot of characters and that kind of stuff. I got

692
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 7: my cheekiness from my mom was really sharp and funny

693
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 7: and uh so they knocked out all my debt and

694
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 7: then after that I got Curtin Enthusiasm and Dodgeball and

695
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 7: then from there it.

696
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: Was just that's right. I started on w B. That's

697
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: how I got my first TV show, My Guy to

698
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: Becoming a rock Star a million years ago.

699
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: Oliver actually played as the song the other day and

700
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: we're like, this is correct.

701
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: Excited to record? Wait, hold on, I want to go

702
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 2: real quick. Going back, So the trailblazing of of of Vanessa. Yeah,

703
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 2: talk about sort of having to or the pressure of,

704
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: or the expectations that you might have put on yourself

705
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 2: to sort of follow in the footsteps of Was there

706
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: pain or struggle there or envy or fuck you know

707
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: what I mean?

708
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 6: It was tough.

709
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 7: Well, I knew she was gonna win Miss America. When

710
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 7: I was watching it, I'm like, she's gonna win. Watch

711
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 7: gonna win. But I had a completely confidence and me,

712
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 7: she's gonna do it. So it was hard for me

713
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 7: to even there was no small sibling robbery. Uh you

714
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 7: know before that, once you did that, I was trying

715
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 7: to figure out, well, what am I gonna where's my

716
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 7: my port uh portionated?

717
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 6: And since remember you have only one phone, I think

718
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 6: in the in the in the early eighties, every phone call,

719
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 6: I never got a phone call.

720
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 7: I was so it was you know, I was trying

721
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 7: to struggle to get my own identity. So that's also

722
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 7: why I went to Georgetown to have a whole different

723
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 7: experience in college. And uh uh so then when she

724
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 7: started what she was the even watching her going through

725
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 7: all her trial and tribulations, I was in college when

726
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 7: all this stuff went down. But you know, as a family,

727
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 7: we've always learned to be fiercely protected of each other,

728
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 7: regardless of if if there's rivalry or is you know,

729
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 7: you're loyal to your family. And I got in the fight.

730
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 7: It's when I was in in in and did Yeah,

731
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 7: I got into a couple of fights.

732
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: Just people talking shit or whatever.

733
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, Vanessa, what did that time?

734
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: What did that feel like for you at the time?

735
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: Did it feel so like was it just an incredibly

736
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: violating experience?

737
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 5: It was so huge that by the end it was

738
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 5: like who are they talking about? I mean when every

739
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 5: news station everyone is like jumping on a plane to

740
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 5: get it. I mean I had news crews waiting for

741
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 5: me all over, camped out in front of my house.

742
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 5: I had to hide at my lawyer's house down the street,

743
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 5: so no one was It was insane because again there

744
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 5: was only a few, you know, a few network shows,

745
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 5: and so it was nuts. And then watching c make

746
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 5: comments about John Television, it was so big. It's like

747
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 5: they don't even know who I am, you know, So

748
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 5: it was enormous.

749
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 7: Like white people did not like the fact that she

750
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 7: was the first blackness America. And then there's some black

751
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 7: people that didn't say she wasn't black enough. So you

752
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 7: could never win on you know, basically, you can't win.

753
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 7: So you just have to take it and just let

754
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 7: it go through you and and uh and persevere through it.

755
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 6: She did.

756
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like it's like a roller coaster. Ride you

757
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: never wanted to be asked to be on.

758
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: You're like, wait a.

759
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 5: Minute, yeah, you're just it's like you're yeah, yeah, and

760
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 5: in negates any kind of intellectual talents that you had.

761
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 5: So all the years, all the shows that had been

762
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 5: previously anything, uh, you know, any interview that I had,

763
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 5: it did matter because I was a scandalized beauty queen

764
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 5: and to break down the judgment was so so severe

765
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 5: it took me years, it did.

766
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 2: I was about to say, how do you deal with

767
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: something like that? Because at the end of the day,

768
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: obviously intellectually we know that fuck these people. They don't

769
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: know what the fuck they're talking about. They can say

770
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: what they want, but I know who I am, so

771
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: fuck them, all right. It's much easier said than done.

772
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: So how did you.

773
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 6: Remember she was? She was funny, full grown rush woman,

774
00:39:59,120 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 6: young girl.

775
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you let that seep into you And then

776
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: how did you sort of deal with it? And how

777
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: were you able to sort of get through it and

778
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: finally be like you know what?

779
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, Just so twenty one is when it all. I

780
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 5: only had like a month left of appearances, so I

781
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 5: had done ten months of Miss America.

782
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 4: So so the.

783
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 5: I think I definitely threw myself into I'm going to

784
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 5: prove to everybody, so I kind of committed to just

785
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 5: you wait and see kind of attitude. And then I

786
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 5: got harsh lessons that you know, talent doesn't matter, You're

787
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 5: still going to be judged and you're still going to

788
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 5: I got crazy, crazy offers from you know, scripts that

789
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 5: were horrible, and then taking meetings with people that I

790
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 5: knew I wasn't going to get it, but they just

791
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 5: wanted to say, Oh, I took the meeting with the

792
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 5: former Miss America. So I that whole Hollywood, you know,

793
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 5: you know, all the dinner parties that people go to

794
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 5: and all that shatter that everybody's talking.

795
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I was the butt of all those jokes

796
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: for years. But it always my mother was.

797
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 6: She still she still had resentments of remembered comedians who

798
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 6: had said something about them, like in their opening blogue,

799
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 6: and she's like, I don't like I don't like Selen.

800
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 7: My mother remember, remembered all of everything.

801
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: I think there are certain women like what you were

802
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: sort of put through, like put through the ringer in

803
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: a time when people found those things to be acceptable,

804
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: which wouldn't be acceptable right now. But like Saint God,

805
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: you had that fire spirit that could get you through it,

806
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: because I think that, you know, sometimes I look at

807
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: these young girls and it's a very different time than then,

808
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: like you know, you had. I think you like the intensity,

809
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: it's to wish you experience what that that kind of

810
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, the microscope and all of the judgment and

811
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: all of the all of the ship being coming at you.

812
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: I feel like young girls feel that every day on

813
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: social media, like they have this sense of like, you know, uh,

814
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: they can be shamed so quickly, and they could be

815
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: gossiped about and one little thing goes it's everything's so

816
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: exposed now. But not everybody has that fire, that that

817
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: spirit that can really like push them through it. And

818
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: I think when women and young girls here, like when

819
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: you went through something like that and actually hear it,

820
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: I think it's so important for young girls to hear

821
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: how you can get through the hardest of those kinds

822
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: of moments because it's still happening on a on a

823
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: smaller scale, but like right in the right in here,

824
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: you know, and and you you had that tenfold you know,

825
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: and but somehow you were able to just power through it.

826
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: And and then and then have come through with you know,

827
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: your talent and success. It's like amazing.

828
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 5: And social media, as you said, it's immediate, like there's

829
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 5: no like reason, it goes on fire. Something somebody bucks

830
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 5: up and it is on blast worldwide.

831
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess if there's enter any silver

832
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 2: lining to that. We move so quickly now the pacing

833
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: of sort of you know, oh my god, bang, it

834
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: burns so hot and then it goes away. It's like

835
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: I just ride it out and in a week you'll

836
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: be done, whereas back in the day it was not

837
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: a week. I mean, it was like months on end.

838
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: But I but I think what we're tapping, like what

839
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: what's so interesting is like how does one have that resilience?

840
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: Like how do how do you instill?

841
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 6: I think it's our parents, that's right. Parents are were

842
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 6: were We were a unit.

843
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 7: We were a family unit where our parents really made

844
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 7: sure that we were well rounded, focused, well read individuals

845
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 7: so we could represent ourselves no matter what. And I

846
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 7: I think the structure of ours, our parts were together

847
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 7: for forty six.

848
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 6: Years until my dad, my dad passed, so we had

849
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 6: a nice you know base to which to go from

850
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 6: which the you know.

851
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 5: Floor is from but also a great combination of realism

852
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 5: and love too, because even even though my mother wasn't

853
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 5: tremendously affectionate at all, she if anything happened, she was

854
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 5: my biggest cheerleader.

855
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 4: When I was going through.

856
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 5: Divorces and stuff, she was like, she deserves a divorce.

857
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 5: Listen to what she's saying. So she always stood up

858
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 5: for me as a woman. And then my dad when

859
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 5: it all came crashing down, and at twenty one years.

860
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 4: Old, and yeah.

861
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 5: He picked me up and h and we were still

862
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 5: in hiding and stuff, and he said, we were in

863
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 5: the car and he said, well, you really blew it

864
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 5: ness and that's all.

865
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 4: That's all I said. I said, yeah I did, And

866
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 4: that was it.

867
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: That was that was it.

868
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 4: That was it. And then it's just like how do.

869
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 5: We how do we get through this together? So it

870
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 5: was wasn't judgment and how dare you what?

871
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 4: An idiot? What were you thinking?

872
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: It was like, wow, yeah, you blew it?

873
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 4: Yeah I did. Yeah.

874
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: And then from then on, from that point on, did

875
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: your dad was your dad able to sort of give

876
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: you nuggets of advice or was it just kind of

877
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: like maybe you blew it? Now you got to clean

878
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 2: it up type.

879
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, surrounding us with helpful people. Yeah, they were always

880
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 5: there to support. So having family and friends that believe

881
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 5: there was like a local They did a local parade

882
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 5: in front of my house, you know, saying that, I

883
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 5: mean like our little town. So I had all that

884
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 5: love to support.

885
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then your brother, I mean that's tough for

886
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: you too, Chris. I mean I'm not taking any of

887
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: the Vest's experience obviously is way gnarlier, but as the

888
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: younger brother too, having to deal with that ship. Of course,

889
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: you got in fights, you.

890
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 6: Know, tennis, my friends and members, everybody.

891
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: Is watching you gnarly.

892
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was, it was crazy, It was it was nice.

893
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy. Did you guys have conversations at that point,

894
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 2: you know, where you had heart to heart? So was

895
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: it kind of you separated yourself a little bit from

896
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: the whole thing.

897
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 4: I wish you had gotten that.

898
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 5: I wish you had gone to Syracuse because I was

899
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 5: only there for I never went back.

900
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 6: So you.

901
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 7: There, but your but your her legacy is so strong

902
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 7: and so many different things.

903
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 6: She's been so successful in so many different arenas. You

904
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 6: know from film stage that you just.

905
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 7: Your like you know, within your own your own being,

906
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 7: so you know, being in the same businesses. You know,

907
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 7: a lot of times when I would get a roll,

908
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 7: they would say, oh did you get it because of

909
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 7: your sister or did you get you.

910
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 6: Know, so.

911
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what. I don't know what that feels like.

912
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 6: But yeah, paving your own your own room.

913
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: Oliver just hasn't gotten the roles.

914
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: What I mean, I'm killing it.

915
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: You're killing it. I know you are. What what what

916
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: has been the most like like for both of you?

917
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: You know, it's like because the arts are mercurial, you know,

918
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: when you're in it, it's just constantly moving and changing.

919
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: In one minute, everything is going great. In the next

920
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: minute you're like, wait, what happened? What has been like

921
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: the most for you? Defining moment in your career where

922
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: you've been like, oh, I can't believe I'm here right now?

923
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 6: One thing? Let me let me take this Nashville we did.

924
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 7: Vanessa was nominated three times for Willelmine on Ugly Betty

925
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 7: for at three three Ammis and I got to be

926
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 7: on her show playing her doppelganger. So if you're gonna

927
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 7: have someone to do drag and be her. The fact

928
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 7: that we that we got to act together. Maybe did

929
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 7: it once before or twice before, but to be able

930
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 7: to do in scenes and work together on that show

931
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 7: that was that was one of the things for me

932
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 7: that was really really special.

933
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 6: But yeah together, Mom loved that.

934
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Kate and I haven't done that yet. I

935
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 2: think she's a little nervous.

936
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: What about you, Vanessa?

937
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 5: Probably the opening night of on Broadway starring and Kissing

938
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 5: The Spider Woman in nineteen ninety four. I had all

939
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 5: my family and the audience and my kids and my

940
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 5: fellow castmates from you know, college and high school, and

941
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 5: knowing that you're a New York kid taking the train

942
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 5: in to see a Broadway show, and I always in

943
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 5: my high school yearbook it says I'll see you on Broadway.

944
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 5: So the fact that I was like, okay, I had

945
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 5: a gigantic detour. But starring on Broadway, I'm taking over

946
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 5: from the legendary Cheeta Rivera, who I adored everything she

947
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 5: ever did, and you know, she welcomed me, and I

948
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 5: still have the stationery that she wrote said welcome to

949
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 5: the Web, and.

950
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 4: So that legend to pass on, like here is here's

951
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 4: a great show. You've got it in great hands. Fly.

952
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 4: That was incredible.

953
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 6: And by the way, her birth announcement says here she

954
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 6: is Miss America.

955
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 4: No, that was the trippiest thing ever stuck sixty three. Yeah.

956
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 4: Back then they used to do like yeah, and it

957
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 4: was a baby carriage and says here she is Miss America.

958
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 6: That's weird.

959
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so weird.

960
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 8: Later, all the talking about how it affected me, the

961
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 8: stuff from my senior picture on, from my senior picture,

962
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 8: from my you have a picture in high school I

963
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 8: was I was a really tiny kid.

964
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 6: I put on her down that she won Miss America,

965
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 6: and I posed in it like this and they wouldn't

966
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 6: let they wouldn't let me.

967
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 2: Use it's amazing, amazing.

968
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 4: All right.

969
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: Before we go.

970
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: Before we go, we do thing with each other, which

971
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: is a two part question for each sibling, which is,

972
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: if there was one thing that you could take kind

973
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: of alleviate from your sibling to make you think that

974
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: would make their life just a little bit smooth, a

975
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: little bit better, what would that be? And then the

976
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: second part of that question is is what is the

977
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: thing that you would love to emulate more of that

978
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: your sibling has.

979
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 4: I would want to alleviate from your life.

980
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 5: The fear of moving on, because I know you're a

981
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 5: big dreamer, and I know that you've got you can

982
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 5: be happy wherever you end up. And I know that

983
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 5: it's scary to move and sell something, you sell your

984
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 5: house or move on, and I know that's.

985
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 4: It's scary for anybody.

986
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 5: So I want to alleviate the fear of moving on

987
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 5: to something spectacular and new, love that.

988
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: I can, And then what about emulate Vanessa.

989
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 5: I would want to emulate his Chris is very gregarious.

990
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 5: He talks to everybody. He knows everyone's first name. He

991
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 5: gives chocolates to when he's checking into a hotel, the

992
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 5: stack when he's on the airplane, the hostess. Everybody loves Chris.

993
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 5: He does magic tricks everywhere he goes, so he always

994
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 5: has an audience. Yeah, so I would love And my

995
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 5: mother said he was the fun one. I was the

996
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 5: serious one.

997
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 4: He's I would have to be more fun like Chris.

998
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like me.

999
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 6: I would love to if she could have.

1000
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 7: Her own Broadway show that was made just for her,

1001
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 7: like that was Taylor made to her where she could.

1002
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 7: She's so fucking good at what she does, and to

1003
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 7: have something that's originated just for her. That's I would

1004
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 7: love her to have that, that moment where she chooses

1005
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 7: to be able to do whatever she wants to do

1006
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 7: whenever she wants to do it and be showcased for it.

1007
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 6: I would love love her that to have that uh

1008
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 6: and uh, I mean like she I'm telling you, this

1009
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 6: woman's so resilient.

1010
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 7: Her resiliency and her r you know how she works

1011
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 7: so hard at at what she does and everybody, you know,

1012
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,479
Speaker 7: talking to other people in her cast and other people

1013
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 7: that talk to her. She's such such a great example

1014
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 7: for being a number one on the call sheet type

1015
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 7: person that has to be well worked just as hard

1016
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 7: as the person in the back.

1017
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 6: But she she uh, she gives such a great example

1018
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 6: of being.

1019
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 7: Number one and making sure that everyone else is involved

1020
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 7: and everyone else feels included.

1021
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 6: It's it's pretty amazing.

1022
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 7: So also her resiliency, just from all she's gone through

1023
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 7: into where she and where she's brought herself to is pretty.

1024
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: Incredible, beautiful. Well, thank you guys.

1025
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 6: You gotta go

1026
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: An have a great show, Chris, it was so nice.