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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're headed

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Speaker 1: to Austin to hang at the iHeart Podcast Hotel at

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Speaker 1: south By Southwest. Yeehaw, howdy, Let's get roostered, Pardner that

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Speaker 1: means drunk. It's Friday, March seventh, and on today's show,

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Speaker 1: we'll be chatting with Atlantic ten Commissioner Bernadette mclade about

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Speaker 1: leading by example, overcoming failure, navigating the nil era, and the.

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Speaker 2: Secret to her longevity at the conference.

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Speaker 1: Plus an NWSL Championship rematch, Unrivaled is stacking up semi finalists,

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Speaker 1: and an update from Alexa Philippoo on the Diana Tarassi

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Speaker 1: Rice Crispy Mystery. It's all coming up right after this

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Speaker 1: welcome back. Here's what you need to know today in

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Speaker 1: soccer news, We've got our first NWSL on field action

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Speaker 1: since November. Tonight, the league's Challenge Cup kicks off at

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Speaker 1: eight pm e Eastern, featuring a rematch of the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four championship between the victorious Orlando Pride and runner

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Speaker 1: up Washington's Spirit.

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Speaker 2: Will we get our first look at Barbara.

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Speaker 1: Banda, Marta, Trinity Rodman, maybe even Croy Bethune. Time will

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Speaker 1: tell how each side manages playing time. But no matter

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Speaker 1: who we see, the thing that matters is NWSL Soccer

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Speaker 1: is back. You can catch that contest streaming live on

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Speaker 1: Prime Video. Oh and the four part docuseries for the

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Speaker 1: Win NWSL that follows the twenty twenty four playoffs is

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Speaker 1: now streaming on Prime Video as well.

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Speaker 2: Go check it out more soccer.

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Speaker 1: The prosecutor in the case of former Spanish Soccer Federation

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Speaker 1: president Luis Rubialis is requesting a retrial, even though in

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Speaker 1: February Rubialis was found guilty of sexual assault and find

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Speaker 1: over ten thousand euros. Prosecutor Marta Dorontes believes a greater

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Speaker 1: punishment should have been levied Rubialis for kissing Spanish women's

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Speaker 1: national team player Jenny Hermoso on the lips during the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three World Cup award ceremony without her consent.

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Speaker 1: Per Reuter's reporting, Contes is asking that another judge be

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Speaker 1: assigned to the case, citing the fact that the guilty

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Speaker 1: sexual assault ruling should have constituted a one year sentence,

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Speaker 1: the penalty she requested, and arguing that evidence and many

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Speaker 1: of her questions were not admitted. She also wrote in

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Speaker 1: the appeal that the judge's conduct during the hearing compromised

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Speaker 1: quote the appearance of impartiality end quote, and that the

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Speaker 1: minimal fine and three thousand euros awarded to Hermoso or

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Speaker 1: quote offensive to the victim and to the victims of

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Speaker 1: sexual assault undoubtedly a bad precedent end quote. For his part,

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Speaker 1: Rubialis has said he'll also appeal the ruling. To college hoops,

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Speaker 1: Stanford fell to Clemson sixty three forty six in the

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Speaker 1: first round of the ACC Tournament on Wednesday night, severely

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Speaker 1: damaging their chances of making the NCAA Tournament. Stanford is

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Speaker 1: sixteen and fourteen this season, and before that game, they

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Speaker 1: were in bracketologist Charlie Crem's last four out. That means

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Speaker 1: the Cardinal needed a strong showing in the ACC Tournament

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Speaker 1: to prove it belonged in the sixty four team NCAA

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Speaker 1: Tournament field. Now slightly that Stanford will miss the Big

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Speaker 1: Dance for the first time since the nineteen eighty seven season.

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Speaker 1: The program's thirty seven year streak is the second longest

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Speaker 1: in women's college basketball, and it could end in the

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Speaker 1: first season of Cardinal hoops since the retirement of the

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Speaker 1: winningest basketball coach in Division one history. Tara Vanderveer, Tennessee

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Speaker 1: has the longest existing streak with forty two straight tournament berths,

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Speaker 1: and though the Balls last to Vanderbilt in the SEC

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Speaker 1: Tournament yesterday, they're a pretty safe bet to make a

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Speaker 1: forty third appearance this season.

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Speaker 2: To Pro hoops.

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Speaker 1: Unrivaled is entering its last regular season weekend of play.

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Speaker 1: There are two games tonight, Phantom BC versus Lace's BC

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Speaker 1: at seven Eastern, followed by Lunar Owls BC versus ROSEBC.

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Speaker 1: Then there will be four more games split between Saturday

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Speaker 1: know who all four semi final contenders are. Right now,

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Speaker 1: the Lunar Owls have clinched the number one seed and

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Speaker 1: Rose has clinched a spot in the playoffs, but not

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Speaker 1: a seed. There's also PVF, PWHL and Love Action happening

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Speaker 1: tonight and over the weekend too, so we'll to those

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Speaker 1: league schedules in our show notes. And In tennis news,

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Speaker 1: the Women's Tennis Association is introducing paid maternity leave. According

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Speaker 1: to Thursday's announcement, more than three hundred WTA players are

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Speaker 1: via partner pregnancy, surrogacy or adoption. The leave is financially

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Speaker 1: of Saudi Arabia, which will also provide grants for fertility treatments,

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Speaker 1: that meme slash click hole headline heartbreaking. The worst person

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Speaker 1: Yesterday I caught up with A ten commissioner, Bernadette McGlade.

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Speaker 1: She joined us from Richmond, Virginia, where the A ten

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Speaker 1: Women's Basketball Conference tournament is currently in full swing. That

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Speaker 1: a Division one athletic conference. She's the longest tenured commissioner

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Speaker 1: at one league and served on the NCAA Women's Basketball

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Speaker 1: A former player herself, she still owns the all time

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Speaker 1: rebounding record for men and women at UNC. It's Bernadette McGlade. Bernadette,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Thank you, Sarah. It's great to

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Speaker 2: I have to start with that rebounding record.

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Speaker 1: Are we a Dennis Rodman type angles and elbows or

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Speaker 1: were we just about long arms and size?

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Speaker 2: What were we doing in there? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think it was about long arms and size or

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Speaker 3: something like that. I'm amazed that that record hasn't been unbroken,

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Speaker 3: but a lot of fun me in my playing days

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible.

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Speaker 1: Your kind of longevity at a job in sports is rare.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen years at the A ten.

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Speaker 2: What's your secret.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that there's a secret to it. I

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Speaker 3: think I've been really fortunate and blessed. I've had really

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Speaker 3: only three jobs. I was seventeen years at Georgia Tech

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Speaker 3: and I just am amazed as the time has flown

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Speaker 3: I would say that the President's Council, who I report to,

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Speaker 3: we've been able to really accomplish some unbelievable milestones in

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Speaker 1: So shortly after you finished your playing career and finished

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Speaker 1: at an ACC school, Georgia Tech. You were just twenty

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Speaker 3: Well, at twenty three, doesn't everybody feel like they're ready

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Speaker 3: So you know, I took the leap and jumped in

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Speaker 3: in intercollegiate athletics and had a great run at Georgia Tech.

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Speaker 2: What's it like to grow up on a job like that?

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Speaker 1: We've had some very young coaches on the show here

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Speaker 2: What's it like to be in that space and evolve

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Speaker 3: It is a union experience, so I have to admit there.

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Speaker 3: I had one player on the team that was actually

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you a story that's even funnier. We only

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Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, I just spent like half of my

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Speaker 2: So how'd you make it work?

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Speaker 3: You know those guys that stand in the airport with

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Speaker 3: I wasn't going to lose the trip, trust me, when

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Speaker 3: And I think a lot of that showing by example,

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Speaker 1: You've talked in previous interviews about learning on the job

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Speaker 1: and the importance of failure, of really understanding that failing

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Speaker 1: I love talking to successful people about failure because I

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Speaker 1: think too often we hear from successful people and they

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Speaker 1: had too many, you know, moments of failure in my life.

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Speaker 1: I love when folks who are really successful can share

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Speaker 1: that they've had stumbles.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell us of a good one? Do you

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Speaker 2: have a good story of just falling on your face?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? There was a time when I was had my

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Speaker 3: when you're arragging on campus, and I had this terrible

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Speaker 2: Oh no, and it was a road trip.

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Speaker 3: And we actually arrived and the team that we were

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Speaker 3: playing failed to mention that it was a doubleheader with

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Speaker 1: So because you weren't early enough, you were looking at

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Speaker 2: And Age, yeah, you mentioned that House ruling.

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Speaker 3: Now, we can only be a resource right now, the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like there's you also mentioned the NIL

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Speaker 3: It's a combination of both, but we are absolutely trying

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Speaker 3: So we're really trying to advocate that, you know, you

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Speaker 1: So you've got name image and like this NIL, You've

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Speaker 2: The best teams across the country. How's that challenge been

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Speaker 3: The challenge has been good. We have partnerships with three

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you were one of the first advocates for awarding

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know why it took so long, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for those who don't remember, this is all sort

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Speaker 1: You bring up something that I hadn't even thought of,

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Speaker 3: because most of the use of March Madness on the

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Speaker 3: men's side prior to this current year and actually last

438
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Speaker 3: year as well, all of that marketing and advertising, etc.

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Speaker 3: Was all managed by the nc DOUBLEA and they controlled it,

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Speaker 3: and so there was you know, they're pretty tight strings

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Speaker 3: and guardrails around institutions upon their selection into the NCUBA Championship,

442
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Speaker 3: and even all the merchandise etc. That you see and

443
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Speaker 3: that's sold, it's all controlled by the NCUBAA. It's really

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Speaker 3: not controlled by the institution or the conferences.

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Speaker 2: Got it.

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Speaker 1: A few weeks ago, espns pte Thamil reported that the

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Speaker 1: NCUBLEA is in discussions with media partners about expanding the

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Speaker 1: NCAA tournament on the men's side, and that the women's tournament.

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Speaker 2: Would follow suit. What have you heard about expansion and

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Speaker 2: do you think the women's game is in a place

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Speaker 2: to expand?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard the same that everyone else has heard.

453
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Speaker 3: That it's under you. There's a pretty deep dive a

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Speaker 3: study bing Noaulysis being conducted by both the men's and

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Speaker 3: the women's NCAA Basketball committees. Charlie Baker has made some

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Speaker 3: comments about it as well, and I think it would

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Speaker 3: be a good thing, I think on the women's side,

458
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Speaker 3: and it's very same on the men's side. I do

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Speaker 3: think that there is the parody that's there. I think

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Speaker 3: there are additionally more good teams that are out there.

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Speaker 3: You have thirty one automatic qualifiers via the conferences, and

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Speaker 3: I'm a firm believer that they should be protected. And

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Speaker 3: then there's thirty seven additional slots that are available. But

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Speaker 3: there are more than thirty seven qualified teams that deserve

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Speaker 3: opportunities to get a crack at, you know, the national championship.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of challenges with that decision. You have

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Speaker 3: to really put together new formats, maybe additional opening around

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Speaker 3: sessions like currently is held at Dayton for the men's

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Speaker 3: when and your first forward games that are there. But

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Speaker 3: I think it's very doable. And the surge, the uptick

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Speaker 3: in overall the good of the game and institutions branding

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Speaker 3: their perception with their alumni and their benefactors and all

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Speaker 3: of their programs once their name goes up on the

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Speaker 3: board on selection Sunday is huge. And higher education right

475
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Speaker 3: now is going into a couple of decades where the

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Speaker 3: college age student athlete college age student is declining, and

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Speaker 3: so anything that can help lift enrollment in colleges and universities,

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Speaker 3: every little bit helps, and March Madness absolutely makes a difference.

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Speaker 3: You can look at the statistics of schools that have

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Speaker 3: been getting in year after year, as well as schools

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Speaker 3: that get in for the first time, and see how

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Speaker 3: long that they benefited from the afterglow of being in

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Speaker 3: the bracket and competing for a national championship. You know,

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Speaker 3: those three weeks, as you know, Sarah, they're iconic. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we're getting ready. We're ten days away from it, and

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Speaker 3: everyone you know, I think in the country and probably

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Speaker 3: internationally can't wait for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean there's definitely a handful of teams on the men's

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Speaker 1: side that I have never heard that school mentioned or

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Speaker 1: referred to in any capacity other than every year when

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Speaker 1: the tournament comes around, and there they are and they're

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Speaker 1: always in it, and it brings so much awareness and

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Speaker 1: excitement around those universities. You know, you mentioned enrollment dropping

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Speaker 1: in college's just in general.

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Speaker 2: I think there's also a fear that.

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Speaker 1: As a result of some of the rulings around the

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Speaker 1: House versus NCAA and other things that there's a real

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Speaker 1: end of course, the changing potential threats to the Department

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Speaker 1: of Education in Title nine that the landscape for women's

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Speaker 1: sports in the future could be grim at the collegiate level,

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Speaker 1: particularly things like Olympic sports. Are you preparing in any

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Speaker 1: way or having to prepare for the potential fight to

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Speaker 1: keep some of these programs alive in the coming years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's really important to make sure that

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Speaker 3: we protect the broad based programs, and I do think

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Speaker 3: that that's something that most athletic directors and conference commissioners

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Speaker 3: are focused on. I know within the A ten we've

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Speaker 3: had smaller committees working on what we can do to

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Speaker 3: make sure that we continue to provide the number of

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Speaker 3: opportunities that we're currently providing for both our male and

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Speaker 3: our female student athletes in our Olympic sports programs. As

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Speaker 3: you know, we don't we don't sponsor Division one football,

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Speaker 3: and we're basketball centric league, so we'll always protect basketball,

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Speaker 3: but we don't want to see a diminished for any

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Speaker 3: of our Olympic sports at all, and I think that's

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Speaker 3: critically important. And to touch on your comments them right

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Speaker 3: before that when you were talking about some of the

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Speaker 3: names of schools that you really don't ever hear of

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Speaker 3: until all of a sudden you see their names in

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Speaker 3: the bracket for March Madness. Like, we've had two experiences

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Speaker 3: even with our institutions, when Davidson, you know, was in

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Speaker 3: the championship with Steph Curry and then they've been in

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Speaker 3: it since they've been in the A ten. And then

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Speaker 3: both Mason and VCU have had, you know, just memorable

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Speaker 3: runs to the final four. And you know, we're looking

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Speaker 3: at the same for this year when we look at

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Speaker 3: our top three teams and VCU should be an at

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Speaker 3: large team, and then we have Dayton and George Mason

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Speaker 3: that have had phenomenal seasons.

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Speaker 2: On the men's side, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And on the women's side, Richmond has been phenomenal, and

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Speaker 3: our other two top teams have been Mason and Saint

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Speaker 3: Joe's the same thing, you know, and those to get

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Speaker 3: multiple teams in is so critical and the exposure that

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Speaker 3: goes along with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. I mean I'll never forget the name

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Speaker 2: Shaka Smart from that run. We all remember it.

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Speaker 1: Last question for you, I know you served on the

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Speaker 1: NCAA Division One Men's Basketball Committee.

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Speaker 2: What was your biggest takeaway from working on that.

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Speaker 3: It was a really unbelievable experience understanding the depth and

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Speaker 3: the amount of work that goes into being a committee

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Speaker 3: member on that men's basketball committee, And tremendous respect for

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Speaker 3: the staff, for Dan gabbittt that runs that committee, and

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Speaker 3: also for the folks that I served with, and in

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Speaker 3: terms of you really have to almost step away from

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Speaker 3: what your current day job is to be able to

549
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Speaker 3: really commit the hours because it's so important to every

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Speaker 3: single team to get every single selection right at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day. Because of what we've been talking

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Speaker 3: about for the last thirty minutes, it is, you know,

553
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Speaker 3: it's really life changing. It is. It's life changing for

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Speaker 3: those student athletes and also for historic institutions across the country.

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Speaker 3: And my biggest takeaway has been, you know, nothing's easy

556
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Speaker 3: at all, and working as a team is the only

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Speaker 3: way that that whole iconic event comes together well.

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Speaker 1: And being a women's player and someone who's so focused

559
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Speaker 1: on making sure you elevate the women's side of the

560
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Speaker 1: conference as well, it feels like kind of a sneaky

561
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Speaker 1: way to be on the inside and learn all the

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Speaker 1: ways the men's and women's side function differently, are treated differently,

563
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Speaker 1: or given different resources. Were you able to take anything

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Speaker 1: away that had you thinking, I'd like to apply this

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Speaker 1: to the women's side, or I'd like to bring this

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Speaker 1: over to the women'side, because I don't think it's getting

567
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Speaker 1: a fair shot the same way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And i've been you know, my tenure on

569
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Speaker 3: the committee has been recently, and so we did talk

570
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Speaker 3: in the men's committee about the importance of being you know, balanced,

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Speaker 3: and hey, if we're going to do this, we should

572
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Speaker 3: share it. It's a great idea. We should share it

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Speaker 3: with the women's committee to see if they're interested in

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Speaker 3: doing the very same thing. And I don't think that

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Speaker 3: everything works for both championships. I felt that way when

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Speaker 3: I was at the ACC and we built an iconic

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Speaker 3: women's event that sold out many many years in a row.

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Speaker 3: I feel the same way here. We share a lot

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Speaker 3: of great ideas at the A ten. We don't have

580
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Speaker 3: to do everything identical, but I do feel strongly that

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Speaker 3: they have to be done fairly. And you can't be

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Speaker 3: cutting corners for either of your championships.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I know you're busy, right, now you got

584
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Speaker 1: to get back to that tournament you're at currently.

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Speaker 2: But thanks so much for the time and the insight.

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Speaker 2: It's great to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Sarah, your show's great. Appreciate being on and visiting

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Speaker 3: with you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much to Bernadette for joining us. We have

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Speaker 1: to take another break when we come back. More on

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Speaker 1: DT's bun and the Rice Crispy mystery.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back Slices.

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Speaker 1: We've got a brief update from yesterday's guest, Alexa Philippoo.

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Speaker 1: Now in case you missed it, she mentioned a previously

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Speaker 1: untold story about Diana Tarassi and the origin of her

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Speaker 1: famous bun. The claim from Tarassi's college room made at

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Speaker 1: Yukon Morgan Valley is that DT used to lay up

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Speaker 1: side down with her hair hanging over the edge of

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Speaker 1: the couch, and then, using some sort of giant rice

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Speaker 1: crispy treat as a table that held her brush and

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Speaker 2: Strands into her now famous button.

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Speaker 1: We had a lot of questions about the rice crispy

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Speaker 1: and Alexa, the brilliant reporter that she has got us

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Speaker 1: some more info.

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Speaker 2: Here's what she found out.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I have an update on the Rice Crispy square situation.

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Speaker 4: So Morgan Valley tells me that it was probably three

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Speaker 4: the early two thousands or some other time, that's what

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, I for one have never seen one of

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Speaker 1: and Misha Jones. Our executive producers are Christina Everett, Jesse Katz,

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Speaker 1: Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder. Our editors are Emily Rutter,

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Speaker 1: Britney Martinez, and Grace Lynch. Our associate producer is Lucy

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Speaker 1: Jones and I'm Your host Sarah Spain