WEBVTT - Convos About Thhe Festival 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.440 WA's up and welcome back to another episode of No 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.480 Sinner's Podcast with your host. Now, fuck that with your 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:18.880 load glasses, Malone, all. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:19.599 Right, not tell me? 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:30.840 All right? So Harvey Weinstein had his conviction overturned thrown 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.200 out of court in New York and appeals last week. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.120 And I didn't pay attention to what the actual act 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.600 was that he committed. And I guess he got convicted 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:45.000 of not raping this woman, but of sexually assaulting her 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:49.120 by virtue of going down on her against her will 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:52.120 while she was on her period with a tampon in. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:55.640 That make a sick. 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:01.960 That is something that is the equivalent to like Plexico 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.560 Buris shooting himself in the leg and having to go 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:10.880 do time for it. H He is the victim and 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:12.640 the perpetrator at the same time. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:17.000 Oh hop, I hope that's not what got overtime. 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:20.920 It's not. Yeah, that's crime. 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:26.440 He forcefully orally assaulted a woman while she was on 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:30.480 her period. Correct, Hey, bro, they should throw the fucking 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:36.920 key away. My boy is a fucking savage. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:41.800 Yeah. That I was telling Malcolm, like if I had 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:48.320 gotten taken into custody by a foreign government that thought 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.720 I was like a spy involved us some espionage, and 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.680 they rolled some women in like in those stirrups like 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:58.160 at the obg y N and were like, you're gonna 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:00.840 tell us who you work for, or you're gonna go 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:03.800 eat that woman out of a period right now. And 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:05.720 they started a wheeler toward me. I'd be like, it 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:06.560 was a Cia. 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:11.560 It was the Cia, bro vampire, Like, vampires are a 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.560 real thing, bro, Like that's what we call dudes who 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:20.760 eat vagina on periods. Vampires. Yes, vampires are a real thing. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:26.360 I did not know that that man was a vampire. 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.440 You would have never told me a man getting that 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:32.880 kind of money, with that type of access to women 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:36.720 an opportunity as far as his choice of ladies was 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:37.520 a vampire. 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.080 That's crazy as hell. 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:46.200 He's sexually orally assaulting women on their period. 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:49.760 I wonder if he had a role in the production 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:54.040 or casting of that movie. Interview with the Vampire, because 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.520 it totally changes the meaning. You know now that people 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:58.040 women are going to try to meet with him to 0:02:58.080 --> 0:02:59.400 get jobs. 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:07.800 Yeah, that's just crazy. I realized something. I think we 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:11.640 talked about it, but freak. A freak is a man 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:13.359 who do gay ship with women. 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.720 This you had mentioned to that we talked about this, right, 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:20.560 I don't know if we talked about it on air. 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.560 Yeah, I realized that that's what it is a man 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.560 who does gay ship with women like men who like 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.040 to be pegged by women gay. 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.320 I mean freaky. Excuse me, men. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:39.360 Who liked to get they who like they salad tossed 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:46.800 by women gay mhm, excuse me, freaky. I'm losing my 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.880 fucking trying to thok'. 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:53.720 It's my boy is a real vampire. That's crazy. 0:03:53.800 --> 0:04:01.920 Yeah, that's next level shit, no seiling gl my man, Peter, 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:05.960 So tell me what you felt about Atlanta? 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.080 What was your what was. 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:12.880 Your Uh, you're just of the black effect, you know 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:14.760 the podcast I managed. 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.760 Well quite Frankly, I thought the entire experience was a 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.120 washed because I didn't get to go to Rodney Scott's 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:22.200 whole Hunt Barbecue. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:24.560 That's what you go to in Atlanta. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.599 Yeah, they cooked the whole pigs in the back. 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:30.560 You didn't even tell me we would have went over there. 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.880 At least I would have watched it. Even if I 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:34.360 didn't eat. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.480 Well, I wasn't gonna try to drag he would still 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.320 neither of him eat pork, especially. 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:41.880 Still stop eating pork. Still eat pork? 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.960 Uh uh, yes, he fucking do he He said when 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:48.280 he was in Miami he doesn't need pork, and I 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.080 asked him in Atlanta. 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.320 Damn lie, still eat pork? That nigga be baking and 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.279 ship and sending it to me on facetim heat. 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:58.120 But he's one of those idiots who like, I don't 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.800 eat pork, but I eat bacon. How many girls I 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.000 know say that crap? They try to sound about blush. 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.520 I don't eat pork, I mean, but I eat baking 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.120 at breakfast. 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.440 Yeah, I didn't know that was a real thing. I 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.320 can't imagine, God, damn Stunie Musclims. I can't imagine the 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.400 human being saying they don't eat pork but they eat baking. 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:20.040 It's crazy. 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.320 I've heard that a lot, mostly from girls because they 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.400 have no concept of reality. But what are you gonna do? 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:30.760 Okay, so back to this, back to this, back to 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:31.559 the actual topic. 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:37.600 Well, well, uh so Weinstein is a vampire. He was 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:46.560 eating with Gina forcefully while a woman was on her period. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:55.200 So Harvey, as I understand it, So Harvey cuhen, Yeah, 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.039 that is crazy. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.960 And he's a hairy that's sob so. I don't know 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.320 if he's less of a vampire and more of a 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:05.320 werewolf or what's going on over there. 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:10.520 If you eating vagina pier, you probably a hybrid. You 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:11.919 a different kind of dude. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.080 Yeah. I can't believe somebody let him do that. 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:20.159 I mean she didn't, obviously not the women who he 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:21.200 forcefully did. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:22.599 But yo, be. 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.120 He gave up with his face looking like that. That 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.760 that's the funniest craziness. 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.720 Dude, and the and the lady didn't bring it to 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.600 the police until way later. I wish she ran out 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.560 and called the police. So they came up banging on 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.200 the hotel room door. Mister White said, he walks to 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.800 open the door. Yes, like he just finished a pack 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.680 of dry coolater. Some shit teeth already. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.040 Shit, that's crazy. 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:53.080 I don't know sure you're runner arrest? What did I do? 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:53.960 Sir? Sir? 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:55.200 You know godn't got that, won't you? 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.359 That's crazy. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.440 I guess what I liked about the convention the most 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:06.479 is like, like I love when I go to any 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.720 big event, you know what I mean. I like being 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.560 in the crowd. I like seeing how people are really 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.160 consuming the event, you know what I mean. Honestly, I'm 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:20.520 really just a people's person, like I will have the 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.400 normal artist fear of being around people, you know what 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.880 I mean, Like I just I think I flourish in 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:27.720 those places. 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:30.120 Definitely I get that. 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.920 But watching it, I was telling Charlotte Mane, I thought 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.680 it was like Jack the Rapper for podcasts. 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.880 Like I told you, Jack the Rapper is this. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.640 Hip hop conference they used to have in the late 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.480 eighties early nineties where they taught people how to. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:46.800 Make records, you know what I mean. 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.240 They gave game or how to make records and how 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.400 to open a record business. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.840 Did anybody come out of that if note. 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.120 I don't know because it's before my time. 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.400 But one of the biggest moments, like I told you 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.680 when it straight out the content movie, is when you 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.480 see ice Cube getting in a fight when he's coming 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.520 down the escalator that was at the event called Jack 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:07.000 the Rapper. 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.040 It was with above the Luck. 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:19.680 Got it. I think that sounds like a pretty good comparison. 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:24.920 So I loved it. I loved seeing how people taking 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:29.320 into information. It was dope. 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.280 Like I said, Wallow for Wallow to buy all the 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.640 rest of my CDs, you know what I mean, and 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:34.559 give them a way. 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.480 Out like that Wallow is that kind of dude. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.679 Gilly and Wallow, Like I said, they have a adupe. 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.800 It's almost like a comedy routine, but it's so like 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:44.840 it's so much game and encouragement. 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:46.760 And then to watch. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.880 Mandy and Weezy, you know what I mean, horrible decisions 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.520 and I was just tripping off, like they really got 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.240 girls calling themself the horror hide like a high full 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.960 of whores And I guess it's a level of owning 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:05.319 your sexuality, but. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:07.560 I don't know. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:11.760 But it's crazy to watch them have that type of following. 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:17.920 Where people is just you know, intrigued by it. It's dope. 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:20.600 When you go to these type of conferences and you 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:22.760 find your place in the conference, you're like, oh, I 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:23.520 see what's wrong? 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.920 Like, what's dope, Peter's. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.800 I can help everybody else, but it's so hard for 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.800 me to see what it looks like from the outside 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:35.840 of me. And I could tell you how to do 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.160 what I could tell my outcome. I could see it 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.640 from the outside, but looking you know what I mean, 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.760 trying to figure it out when I'm me is a challenge. 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:47.920 I'm almost to the point where I got it figured out, Man, 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.160 it's kicking the shit out of me. But even with 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.000 no ceilings, you know what I mean, Like I told you, 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:53.600 I realized firsthand. 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:55.760 You know, everybody else has. 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:57.920 A stick, you know what I'm saying, where you can 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:01.120 see what they you know, you can see what they sell. 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.080 You don't have to be into Mandy and Weezy or 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:08.280 horrible decisions to sponsor their show. Like if with that show, 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.520 you know, Trojan could come to them and say, hey, 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:13.640 you know, I want to do a deal, you know 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.760 what I mean, or Plan B, you know, the the morning. 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.560 After peel or even a liquor comes from. 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:22.440 Even though they really I know they said they don't 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.800 really fuck with tobacco companies or certain companies, but you 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.719 could see the niche whether or not you know, you 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:32.400 in the business of whores or not. And like I 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.320 look at I look at our shit right no ceilings, 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.760 and I realize it's the brand of glasses. 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:39.480 And figure it out. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.160 Who wants to do business with the crip and people 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:48.480 who enjoy intellectual standpoints from you know, a brother from 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.800 Wrange County and the cryp is really interesting to figure out. 0:10:52.520 --> 0:11:01.480 Indeed, indeed, what is your biggest takeaway from it. 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:06.560 To me watching everyone do the shows live and it 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:09.679 kind of clicked, like, like the coolest thing that I heard, 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:18.120 like specifically, was like the opening kind of chapter whatever 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:25.400 of Wallow Wallow and Gilly. We're talking about the how 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:30.240 they got started and getting sponsorships from like a funeral 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:34.280 home and a car lot, like your sponsors are you 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:38.160 know all there were? You what you see every day 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:43.720 and watching them for you know, record live watching just 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:45.840 hilarious watching all these other people, and I was like, 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:51.640 you know what the the make or break factor with 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:56.240 these guys is. They're kind of it brought to life 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:02.160 the expression like perspiration, you know, just like the effort, 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:12.239 the consistency of self marketing, and also really embracing sponsorship. 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:17.240 I mean, if you can command, you can promote yourself 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.080 up to command a listenership and command a certain amount 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:27.040 of revenue bootstrapped, that elevates the value. Like they transition 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.840 from saying they had gotten all these sponsorships locally on 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.720 their own to getting an offer from barstool for seven 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:37.880 figures and the link between being able to demonstrate you know, 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:41.920 we have you know, X hundred thousand dollars per year, 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:45.600 per month or whatever in our own local advertising. That 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:53.120 that's a demonstrable proof of concept value that completely leverages in, 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.920 you know, in multiples, the value of your showing your 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.720 own content by virtue having that established. 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:08.520 Well even to package all of that up in a 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.719 simple conversation, I think we have to be as creative 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:16.040 with looking for partners as we are with the actual 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.440 material of the podcast itself. And so I'm starting to 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:23.160 really believe in the record business the same thing is that, 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.400 you know, the same thing is expected at this point, 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.120 Like you know, when I'm shooting a music video, being 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.760 a lot more creative with how I'm going about it. 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.520 Like this whole generic idea of let me pay for 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.200 this music video and then I'll put it on YouTube, 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:44.240 it's probably a fleeing idea, especially with brands being so 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.040 willing to get involved with street urban content, you know 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.240 what I mean, whether it's a podcast, whether it's a song, 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.720 any of the things above. But I think we have 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.520 to get just as creative with the business as we 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:57.720 do with the artist self. 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:06.679 Yeah, I was much more impressed by anybody's like from 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.719 anyone that I saw, I was much more impressed by 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:13.040 their process than their product. Sure, and I'm not knocking 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.640 their products, but more so the fact that I was 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:18.960 just like, they're really pros. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:23.560 Yeah, but it's funny having this conversation, whether it's music 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:28.480 or podcasting, right, it comes into a space where it's like, Okay, 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.280 you start doing this thing for some level of artistic merit, 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:37.400 but if you started from a business perspective, you know, 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.320 you probably would have more success as a business. You 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.280 know what I mean, if you understood how to do 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:48.040 business entirely. Yeah, I know that's a bit sounds a 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.160 bit fundamental, but it's true. I think so many people 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.840 get in front of these mics and really be looking 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.920 for a therapeutic experience and then decide, oh, well, because 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.760 I'm sharing myself, I deserve get paid. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:02.680 I told still the same thing. 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.600 I was like, bro, hip hop, like pop music is 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:10.040 the business of me, hip hop is the business of us, 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:11.840 you know what I mean, Like it's the it's the 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:16.440 it's the business of us representing multiple people. And you 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:20.280 know what I mean, even in business in general, I mean, 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.520 how do you not take in it to account your customers? 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.000 And there is a space to where like I was 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.520 talking to a dude on Twitter today and I had 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:37.600 retweeted the International Players anthem video right, and I was like, yo, 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:41.880 every verse on this song is a ten. You know, 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.400 the every verse you know, Andre three thousands verse right, 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:51.920 Pimps verse right, bun Bee's verse right, and Big Boys verse. 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:56.640 It's all a ten. And a dude was like, oh no, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:58.640 Andre three thousand carried the song. 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.960 I said, that's ridiculous. He said you should ask your followers. 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.640 And I said, why would I ask my followers when 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:12.640 I'm the specialist. You know, imagine me asking my followers 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.400 who had the best verse. They can tell me which 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.920 verse they enjoyed. They can't tell me what's the best verse. 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:21.000 If I listen to the general public, they would have 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:25.680 you thinking McDonald's it's the best food in the world, right, 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:29.000 because that's the most consuming food in the world. Correct, Like, 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:33.400 is there a restaurant consume more than fucking McDonald's around 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:33.960 the globe? 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.280 No? So I was such, I don't know. 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.240 Huh, here's some Chinese noodle house. I don't know. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.360 Yeah, but I'm saying on a global scale, like McDonald's 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:46.720 probably sells more fucking food than anybody. 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:47.920 I don't think it's. 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.640 The best because the public says that I think people 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:55.480 find reasons to be into something. Yeah, they find reasons. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.320 Like I've listened to enough Little UZI to know he's 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.520 not really good. Not but he's not really good. He 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:05.160 don't have a consistent style of making records. People are 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.720 in love with him, so his product, as far as 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.240 the music, just becomes an extension of who he is. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:14.879 But you know, it's even weird to say you in 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:16.639 love with him, you know what I mean, It's just 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:17.360 a different out. 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.520 Yeah, I mean even on that song, that's like I 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.600 think to say that the dude carried the song with 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.520 his portion of the song. His contribution was over before 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:29.359 the first drum. 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:34.199 Sure, sure, but again, man, it is you have to 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:35.919 find I was saying all that to say, you have 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.880 to find that sweet spot in business where you're listening 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:42.080 to your consumer, but you also understand your job is 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.080 to guide them where. 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:44.640 You want them to go. 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:49.600 Like what I what I've started doing more than anything 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.920 when I'm doing the business of hip hop records is. 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.920 Like I try to see where. 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.000 The public is at, where me and the public can 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.679 share a topic that matters to us all at the 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:08.520 same time, and then I actually decide where I want 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.480 to be at, you know, of that subject matter, right. 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:12.879 So like we cancel these nuts. 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.440 Like if I see a bunch of people wearing purses 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.480 and that's where society is at at that time, I'll like, 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.720 whatever my stance is, We'll have that conversation there. Like 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.920 I try to meet society where it's at, and then 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:30.280 I actually address where society is at from the street 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:35.320 urban perspective obviously, and then the more creative I get 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.920 with it, you feel me it's like that's what makes 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.920 a really great idea. And then you know, the scientist 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.360 executing a catchy record and music, you know that shit 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:50.479 comes into play. Podcasts is a much different space, and 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:54.920 I really feel like we were underutilizing what it is. 0:18:55.680 --> 0:19:00.520 Like we are at a place to where we want 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.359 to be entertained by each other's life. Like we're not 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:07.080 even asking people to be talented anymore, you know what 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.040 I mean, Like with a lot of people that we 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:13.640 celebrate or celebrities that don't really have talent. I said, 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:18.320 Kim Kardashian doesn't have talent. I mean, it's a lot 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:22.919 of people that don't have no fucking talent, yet they're celebrated. 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:22.960 All the same. 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.440 It's funny. I was talking about hearing my dad earlier today. 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.520 He was asking some questions about this, and I had 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:35.080 said to him, I was like going through everyone the 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.879 shows to talk about how much process was more than products. 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:42.080 It's all, yeah, people have no product at all. Like 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.560 when you look at the Kardashians, one skill, I will 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:50.240 say that those people have somebody in that group has 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:59.080 a remarkable eye for projecting trend, particularly on the visual side. 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.000 Where do you think where do you think they really 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.600 get busy on the visual side to make you say that. 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.800 Because they never really do much that misses like the 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:17.719 whatever it is that they where or carry or wherever 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:21.800 they go, whatever it is they always tend to hit, 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:26.359 you know, like over the course of time. 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:30.159 Yeah, I don't know. I don't really know a trend 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.960 that they started, not. 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:37.280 That they started, but that they tend to like be. 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.560 On early. I never seen nothing they was really ill early. 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:51.480 I think the closest to their fashion stuff absolutely all 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.480 their fashion stuff all across the bord. 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:55.720 Yeah, but I don't think they really are fashionable people 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.840 in that regard. Like I think even Kim, who probably 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.120 gets the most credit, is more a product of Kanye. 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:03.560 I mean I don't think the rest of them really 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:04.639 have a fashion trend. 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:05.400 I think. 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:12.240 If I create it, I'm saying even where they're at 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:14.480 fashion wise, I don't see them really being. 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:16.320 Like a fashion icon in that sense. 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:22.040 Really, they're more popular for not wearing clothes, you know 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:23.960 what I mean, Like, yeah. 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.000 There's been there's been a million slust that ran around 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.879 and didn't wear clothes, that didn't sustain a career for it. 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:30.600 But I think half twenty years. 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:35.960 But I think also it's that dynamic takes a little 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:39.280 bit more work. I don't think it's really about even 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:41.800 from a fashion perspective, I don't really think they're early. 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:45.720 Ain't on the trends or anything. I think I mean from. 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:47.320 What I saw so far with them is they take 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:49.880 a lot of things from urban perspective and then they 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:55.960 bring it to the pop world, like like they'll wear 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:58.680 box braids or pendletons, you know what I mean, and 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:01.880 they'll bring them to the pop world. But the pop 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:04.320 world wasn't just familiar with the urban things. So I 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:05.360 don't know if it's. 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:07.720 You know, I think that's I think that's a small 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:11.600 wrinkler what they do. I think they really are. They're 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:18.280 like luxury product identifiers almost like the way it's not 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:20.920 dissimilar to the way like Donald Trump puts his name 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.320 on a thing that he identified. Oh this is a 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.320 great luxury item. I'm gonna be just buy it, put 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:27.320 my name on it. They don't buy and put their 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:29.080 name on it. They just buying. 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:33.920 But like what example, like like like skims, like the 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:34.680 kim Brand. 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:37.600 I'm not talking about anything she produces. 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:43.199 She don't produce anything. I'm saying, I'm talking about what 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:46.800 she sees like. I still don't see the connection and 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:49.160 what you see what she sees as far as being 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:51.920 translating to creating any sense of trend like, I don't. 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:55.080 I don't think they're mean. I can't say they're like 0:22:55.119 --> 0:23:00.320 without fashion. You know, they're not completely unfashionable, but they're 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:03.520 not like fashion icons in the sense where they're early 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:04.040 on trend. 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:07.560 I don't know, because I don't see it. Like we 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.120 probably need a really great you. 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:13.399 Know, publishers and marketing person to break down exactly why 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:16.639 they are famous, because I agree with you, it's a 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:21.560 lot of women who suck some you know, successful men 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:24.600 penists that are not as successful as them, you know, 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:27.119