Speaker 1: WA's up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sinner's Podcast with your host. Now, fuck that with your
Speaker 1: load glasses, Malone, all.
Speaker 2: Right, not tell me?
Speaker 3: All right? So Harvey Weinstein had his conviction overturned thrown
Speaker 3: out of court in New York and appeals last week.
Speaker 3: And I didn't pay attention to what the actual act
Speaker 3: was that he committed. And I guess he got convicted
Speaker 3: of not raping this woman, but of sexually assaulting her
Speaker 3: by virtue of going down on her against her will
Speaker 3: while she was on her period with a tampon in.
Speaker 2: That make a sick.
Speaker 3: That is something that is the equivalent to like Plexico
Speaker 3: Buris shooting himself in the leg and having to go
Speaker 3: do time for it. H He is the victim and
Speaker 3: the perpetrator at the same time.
Speaker 2: Oh hop, I hope that's not what got overtime.
Speaker 3: It's not. Yeah, that's crime.
Speaker 1: He forcefully orally assaulted a woman while she was on
Speaker 1: her period. Correct, Hey, bro, they should throw the fucking
Speaker 1: key away. My boy is a fucking savage.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That I was telling Malcolm, like if I had
Speaker 3: gotten taken into custody by a foreign government that thought
Speaker 3: I was like a spy involved us some espionage, and
Speaker 3: they rolled some women in like in those stirrups like
Speaker 3: at the obg y N and were like, you're gonna
Speaker 3: tell us who you work for, or you're gonna go
Speaker 3: eat that woman out of a period right now. And
Speaker 3: they started a wheeler toward me. I'd be like, it
Speaker 3: was a Cia.
Speaker 1: It was the Cia, bro vampire, Like, vampires are a
Speaker 1: real thing, bro, Like that's what we call dudes who
Speaker 1: eat vagina on periods. Vampires. Yes, vampires are a real thing.
Speaker 1: I did not know that that man was a vampire.
Speaker 1: You would have never told me a man getting that
Speaker 1: kind of money, with that type of access to women
Speaker 1: an opportunity as far as his choice of ladies was
Speaker 1: a vampire.
Speaker 2: That's crazy as hell.
Speaker 1: He's sexually orally assaulting women on their period.
Speaker 3: I wonder if he had a role in the production
Speaker 3: or casting of that movie. Interview with the Vampire, because
Speaker 3: it totally changes the meaning. You know now that people
Speaker 3: women are going to try to meet with him to
Speaker 3: get jobs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just crazy. I realized something. I think we
Speaker 1: talked about it, but freak. A freak is a man
Speaker 1: who do gay ship with women.
Speaker 3: This you had mentioned to that we talked about this, right,
Speaker 3: I don't know if we talked about it on air.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I realized that that's what it is a man
Speaker 1: who does gay ship with women like men who like
Speaker 1: to be pegged by women gay.
Speaker 2: I mean freaky. Excuse me, men.
Speaker 1: Who liked to get they who like they salad tossed
Speaker 1: by women gay mhm, excuse me, freaky. I'm losing my
Speaker 1: fucking trying to thok'.
Speaker 2: It's my boy is a real vampire. That's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's next level shit, no seiling gl my man, Peter,
Speaker 4: So tell me what you felt about Atlanta?
Speaker 2: What was your what was.
Speaker 1: Your Uh, you're just of the black effect, you know
Speaker 1: the podcast I managed.
Speaker 3: Well quite Frankly, I thought the entire experience was a
Speaker 3: washed because I didn't get to go to Rodney Scott's
Speaker 3: whole Hunt Barbecue.
Speaker 2: That's what you go to in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they cooked the whole pigs in the back.
Speaker 1: You didn't even tell me we would have went over there.
Speaker 1: At least I would have watched it. Even if I
Speaker 1: didn't eat.
Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't gonna try to drag he would still
Speaker 3: neither of him eat pork, especially.
Speaker 2: Still stop eating pork. Still eat pork?
Speaker 3: Uh uh, yes, he fucking do he He said when
Speaker 3: he was in Miami he doesn't need pork, and I
Speaker 3: asked him in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Damn lie, still eat pork? That nigga be baking and
Speaker 1: ship and sending it to me on facetim heat.
Speaker 3: But he's one of those idiots who like, I don't
Speaker 3: eat pork, but I eat bacon. How many girls I
Speaker 3: know say that crap? They try to sound about blush.
Speaker 3: I don't eat pork, I mean, but I eat baking
Speaker 3: at breakfast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know that was a real thing. I
Speaker 1: can't imagine, God, damn Stunie Musclims. I can't imagine the
Speaker 1: human being saying they don't eat pork but they eat baking.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: I've heard that a lot, mostly from girls because they
Speaker 3: have no concept of reality. But what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: Okay, so back to this, back to this, back to
Speaker 2: the actual topic.
Speaker 1: Well, well, uh so Weinstein is a vampire. He was
Speaker 1: eating with Gina forcefully while a woman was on her period.
Speaker 2: So Harvey, as I understand it, So Harvey cuhen, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is crazy.
Speaker 3: And he's a hairy that's sob so. I don't know
Speaker 3: if he's less of a vampire and more of a
Speaker 3: werewolf or what's going on over there.
Speaker 1: If you eating vagina pier, you probably a hybrid. You
Speaker 1: a different kind of dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't believe somebody let him do that.
Speaker 1: I mean she didn't, obviously not the women who he
Speaker 1: forcefully did.
Speaker 2: But yo, be.
Speaker 1: He gave up with his face looking like that. That
Speaker 1: that's the funniest craziness.
Speaker 3: Dude, and the and the lady didn't bring it to
Speaker 3: the police until way later. I wish she ran out
Speaker 3: and called the police. So they came up banging on
Speaker 3: the hotel room door. Mister White said, he walks to
Speaker 3: open the door. Yes, like he just finished a pack
Speaker 3: of dry coolater. Some shit teeth already.
Speaker 2: Shit, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: I don't know sure you're runner arrest? What did I do?
Speaker 2: Sir? Sir?
Speaker 3: You know godn't got that, won't you?
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: I guess what I liked about the convention the most
Speaker 1: is like, like I love when I go to any
Speaker 1: big event, you know what I mean. I like being
Speaker 1: in the crowd. I like seeing how people are really
Speaker 1: consuming the event, you know what I mean. Honestly, I'm
Speaker 1: really just a people's person, like I will have the
Speaker 1: normal artist fear of being around people, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I just I think I flourish in
Speaker 1: those places.
Speaker 3: Definitely I get that.
Speaker 1: But watching it, I was telling Charlotte Mane, I thought
Speaker 1: it was like Jack the Rapper for podcasts.
Speaker 2: Like I told you, Jack the Rapper is this.
Speaker 1: Hip hop conference they used to have in the late
Speaker 1: eighties early nineties where they taught people how to.
Speaker 2: Make records, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They gave game or how to make records and how
Speaker 1: to open a record business.
Speaker 3: Did anybody come out of that if note.
Speaker 2: I don't know because it's before my time.
Speaker 1: But one of the biggest moments, like I told you
Speaker 1: when it straight out the content movie, is when you
Speaker 1: see ice Cube getting in a fight when he's coming
Speaker 1: down the escalator that was at the event called Jack
Speaker 1: the Rapper.
Speaker 2: It was with above the Luck.
Speaker 3: Got it. I think that sounds like a pretty good comparison.
Speaker 2: So I loved it. I loved seeing how people taking
Speaker 2: into information. It was dope.
Speaker 1: Like I said, Wallow for Wallow to buy all the
Speaker 1: rest of my CDs, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 1: give them a way.
Speaker 2: Out like that Wallow is that kind of dude.
Speaker 1: Gilly and Wallow, Like I said, they have a adupe.
Speaker 1: It's almost like a comedy routine, but it's so like
Speaker 1: it's so much game and encouragement.
Speaker 2: And then to watch.
Speaker 1: Mandy and Weezy, you know what I mean, horrible decisions
Speaker 1: and I was just tripping off, like they really got
Speaker 1: girls calling themself the horror hide like a high full
Speaker 1: of whores And I guess it's a level of owning
Speaker 1: your sexuality, but.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But it's crazy to watch them have that type of following.
Speaker 2: Where people is just you know, intrigued by it. It's dope.
Speaker 1: When you go to these type of conferences and you
Speaker 1: find your place in the conference, you're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: see what's wrong?
Speaker 2: Like, what's dope, Peter's.
Speaker 1: I can help everybody else, but it's so hard for
Speaker 1: me to see what it looks like from the outside
Speaker 1: of me. And I could tell you how to do
Speaker 1: what I could tell my outcome. I could see it
Speaker 1: from the outside, but looking you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: trying to figure it out when I'm me is a challenge.
Speaker 1: I'm almost to the point where I got it figured out, Man,
Speaker 1: it's kicking the shit out of me. But even with
Speaker 1: no ceilings, you know what I mean, Like I told you,
Speaker 1: I realized firsthand.
Speaker 2: You know, everybody else has.
Speaker 1: A stick, you know what I'm saying, where you can
Speaker 1: see what they you know, you can see what they sell.
Speaker 1: You don't have to be into Mandy and Weezy or
Speaker 1: horrible decisions to sponsor their show. Like if with that show,
Speaker 1: you know, Trojan could come to them and say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to do a deal, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, or Plan B, you know, the the morning.
Speaker 2: After peel or even a liquor comes from.
Speaker 1: Even though they really I know they said they don't
Speaker 1: really fuck with tobacco companies or certain companies, but you
Speaker 1: could see the niche whether or not you know, you
Speaker 1: in the business of whores or not. And like I
Speaker 1: look at I look at our shit right no ceilings,
Speaker 1: and I realize it's the brand of glasses.
Speaker 2: And figure it out.
Speaker 1: Who wants to do business with the crip and people
Speaker 1: who enjoy intellectual standpoints from you know, a brother from
Speaker 1: Wrange County and the cryp is really interesting to figure out.
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, what is your biggest takeaway from it.
Speaker 3: To me watching everyone do the shows live and it
Speaker 3: kind of clicked, like, like the coolest thing that I heard,
Speaker 3: like specifically, was like the opening kind of chapter whatever
Speaker 3: of Wallow Wallow and Gilly. We're talking about the how
Speaker 3: they got started and getting sponsorships from like a funeral
Speaker 3: home and a car lot, like your sponsors are you
Speaker 3: know all there were? You what you see every day
Speaker 3: and watching them for you know, record live watching just
Speaker 3: hilarious watching all these other people, and I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what the the make or break factor with
Speaker 3: these guys is. They're kind of it brought to life
Speaker 3: the expression like perspiration, you know, just like the effort,
Speaker 3: the consistency of self marketing, and also really embracing sponsorship.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you can command, you can promote yourself
Speaker 3: up to command a listenership and command a certain amount
Speaker 3: of revenue bootstrapped, that elevates the value. Like they transition
Speaker 3: from saying they had gotten all these sponsorships locally on
Speaker 3: their own to getting an offer from barstool for seven
Speaker 3: figures and the link between being able to demonstrate you know,
Speaker 3: we have you know, X hundred thousand dollars per year,
Speaker 3: per month or whatever in our own local advertising. That
Speaker 3: that's a demonstrable proof of concept value that completely leverages in,
Speaker 3: you know, in multiples, the value of your showing your
Speaker 3: own content by virtue having that established.
Speaker 1: Well even to package all of that up in a
Speaker 1: simple conversation, I think we have to be as creative
Speaker 1: with looking for partners as we are with the actual
Speaker 1: material of the podcast itself. And so I'm starting to
Speaker 1: really believe in the record business the same thing is that,
Speaker 1: you know, the same thing is expected at this point,
Speaker 1: Like you know, when I'm shooting a music video, being
Speaker 1: a lot more creative with how I'm going about it.
Speaker 1: Like this whole generic idea of let me pay for
Speaker 1: this music video and then I'll put it on YouTube,
Speaker 1: it's probably a fleeing idea, especially with brands being so
Speaker 1: willing to get involved with street urban content, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, whether it's a podcast, whether it's a song,
Speaker 1: any of the things above. But I think we have
Speaker 1: to get just as creative with the business as we
Speaker 1: do with the artist self.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was much more impressed by anybody's like from
Speaker 3: anyone that I saw, I was much more impressed by
Speaker 3: their process than their product. Sure, and I'm not knocking
Speaker 3: their products, but more so the fact that I was
Speaker 3: just like, they're really pros.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's funny having this conversation, whether it's music
Speaker 1: or podcasting, right, it comes into a space where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you start doing this thing for some level of artistic merit,
Speaker 1: but if you started from a business perspective, you know,
Speaker 1: you probably would have more success as a business. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, if you understood how to do
Speaker 1: business entirely. Yeah, I know that's a bit sounds a
Speaker 1: bit fundamental, but it's true. I think so many people
Speaker 1: get in front of these mics and really be looking
Speaker 1: for a therapeutic experience and then decide, oh, well, because
Speaker 1: I'm sharing myself, I deserve get paid.
Speaker 2: I told still the same thing.
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, hip hop, like pop music is
Speaker 1: the business of me, hip hop is the business of us,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's the it's the
Speaker 1: it's the business of us representing multiple people. And you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, even in business in general, I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you not take in it to account your customers?
Speaker 1: And there is a space to where like I was
Speaker 1: talking to a dude on Twitter today and I had
Speaker 1: retweeted the International Players anthem video right, and I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: every verse on this song is a ten. You know,
Speaker 1: the every verse you know, Andre three thousands verse right,
Speaker 1: Pimps verse right, bun Bee's verse right, and Big Boys verse.
Speaker 1: It's all a ten. And a dude was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: Andre three thousand carried the song.
Speaker 2: I said, that's ridiculous. He said you should ask your followers.
Speaker 1: And I said, why would I ask my followers when
Speaker 1: I'm the specialist. You know, imagine me asking my followers
Speaker 1: who had the best verse. They can tell me which
Speaker 1: verse they enjoyed. They can't tell me what's the best verse.
Speaker 1: If I listen to the general public, they would have
Speaker 1: you thinking McDonald's it's the best food in the world, right,
Speaker 1: because that's the most consuming food in the world. Correct, Like,
Speaker 1: is there a restaurant consume more than fucking McDonald's around
Speaker 1: the globe?
Speaker 2: No? So I was such, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Huh, here's some Chinese noodle house. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying on a global scale, like McDonald's
Speaker 1: probably sells more fucking food than anybody.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's.
Speaker 1: The best because the public says that I think people
Speaker 1: find reasons to be into something. Yeah, they find reasons.
Speaker 1: Like I've listened to enough Little UZI to know he's
Speaker 1: not really good. Not but he's not really good. He
Speaker 1: don't have a consistent style of making records. People are
Speaker 1: in love with him, so his product, as far as
Speaker 1: the music, just becomes an extension of who he is.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's even weird to say you in
Speaker 1: love with him, you know what I mean, It's just
Speaker 1: a different out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean even on that song, that's like I
Speaker 3: think to say that the dude carried the song with
Speaker 3: his portion of the song. His contribution was over before
Speaker 3: the first drum.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, but again, man, it is you have to
Speaker 1: find I was saying all that to say, you have
Speaker 1: to find that sweet spot in business where you're listening
Speaker 1: to your consumer, but you also understand your job is
Speaker 1: to guide them where.
Speaker 2: You want them to go.
Speaker 1: Like what I what I've started doing more than anything
Speaker 1: when I'm doing the business of hip hop records is.
Speaker 2: Like I try to see where.
Speaker 1: The public is at, where me and the public can
Speaker 1: share a topic that matters to us all at the
Speaker 1: same time, and then I actually decide where I want
Speaker 1: to be at, you know, of that subject matter, right.
Speaker 2: So like we cancel these nuts.
Speaker 1: Like if I see a bunch of people wearing purses
Speaker 1: and that's where society is at at that time, I'll like,
Speaker 1: whatever my stance is, We'll have that conversation there. Like
Speaker 1: I try to meet society where it's at, and then
Speaker 1: I actually address where society is at from the street
Speaker 1: urban perspective obviously, and then the more creative I get
Speaker 1: with it, you feel me it's like that's what makes
Speaker 1: a really great idea. And then you know, the scientist
Speaker 1: executing a catchy record and music, you know that shit
Speaker 1: comes into play. Podcasts is a much different space, and
Speaker 1: I really feel like we were underutilizing what it is.
Speaker 1: Like we are at a place to where we want
Speaker 1: to be entertained by each other's life. Like we're not
Speaker 1: even asking people to be talented anymore, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like with a lot of people that we
Speaker 1: celebrate or celebrities that don't really have talent. I said,
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian doesn't have talent. I mean, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that don't have no fucking talent, yet they're celebrated.
Speaker 2: All the same.
Speaker 3: It's funny. I was talking about hearing my dad earlier today.
Speaker 3: He was asking some questions about this, and I had
Speaker 3: said to him, I was like going through everyone the
Speaker 3: shows to talk about how much process was more than products.
Speaker 3: It's all, yeah, people have no product at all. Like
Speaker 3: when you look at the Kardashians, one skill, I will
Speaker 3: say that those people have somebody in that group has
Speaker 3: a remarkable eye for projecting trend, particularly on the visual side.
Speaker 1: Where do you think where do you think they really
Speaker 1: get busy on the visual side to make you say that.
Speaker 3: Because they never really do much that misses like the
Speaker 3: whatever it is that they where or carry or wherever
Speaker 3: they go, whatever it is they always tend to hit,
Speaker 3: you know, like over the course of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't really know a trend
Speaker 2: that they started, not.
Speaker 3: That they started, but that they tend to like be.
Speaker 2: On early. I never seen nothing they was really ill early.
Speaker 3: I think the closest to their fashion stuff absolutely all
Speaker 3: their fashion stuff all across the bord.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think they really are fashionable people
Speaker 1: in that regard. Like I think even Kim, who probably
Speaker 1: gets the most credit, is more a product of Kanye.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think the rest of them really
Speaker 1: have a fashion trend.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: If I create it, I'm saying even where they're at
Speaker 1: fashion wise, I don't see them really being.
Speaker 2: Like a fashion icon in that sense.
Speaker 1: Really, they're more popular for not wearing clothes, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, yeah.
Speaker 3: There's been there's been a million slust that ran around
Speaker 3: and didn't wear clothes, that didn't sustain a career for it.
Speaker 3: But I think half twenty years.
Speaker 1: But I think also it's that dynamic takes a little
Speaker 1: bit more work. I don't think it's really about even
Speaker 1: from a fashion perspective, I don't really think they're early.
Speaker 2: Ain't on the trends or anything. I think I mean from.
Speaker 1: What I saw so far with them is they take
Speaker 1: a lot of things from urban perspective and then they
Speaker 1: bring it to the pop world, like like they'll wear
Speaker 1: box braids or pendletons, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 1: they'll bring them to the pop world. But the pop
Speaker 1: world wasn't just familiar with the urban things. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's.
Speaker 3: You know, I think that's I think that's a small
Speaker 3: wrinkler what they do. I think they really are. They're
Speaker 3: like luxury product identifiers almost like the way it's not
Speaker 3: dissimilar to the way like Donald Trump puts his name
Speaker 3: on a thing that he identified. Oh this is a
Speaker 3: great luxury item. I'm gonna be just buy it, put
Speaker 3: my name on it. They don't buy and put their
Speaker 3: name on it. They just buying.
Speaker 1: But like what example, like like like skims, like the
Speaker 1: kim Brand.
Speaker 3: I'm not talking about anything she produces.
Speaker 1: She don't produce anything. I'm saying, I'm talking about what
Speaker 1: she sees like. I still don't see the connection and
Speaker 1: what you see what she sees as far as being
Speaker 1: translating to creating any sense of trend like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're mean. I can't say they're like
Speaker 1: without fashion. You know, they're not completely unfashionable, but they're
Speaker 1: not like fashion icons in the sense where they're early
Speaker 1: on trend.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I don't see it. Like we
Speaker 2: probably need a really great you.
Speaker 1: Know, publishers and marketing person to break down exactly why
Speaker 1: they are famous, because I agree with you, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of women who suck some you know, successful men
Speaker 1: penists that are not as successful as them, you know,
Speaker 1: But I'm sure there's a few things going into it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's I couldn't really identify their
Speaker 1: true talent. Like obviously the Moms is tough. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's a thinker, But I don't I don't know their brand.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Like, really, their brand is pretty much, you know, the
Speaker 1: worst type of brands a woman could have.
Speaker 3: Kind of like when I like the women I've talked
Speaker 3: to about them that are into them, they almost look
Speaker 3: at their greater apparatus or their their little you know,
Speaker 3: Kardashian Inc. As like an easy one stop shop of
Speaker 3: like what, you know, what what handbag should I buy
Speaker 3: at the end of this pay cycle? Well, which one
Speaker 3: were they carrying around? Oh, I'll get that one.
Speaker 2: You'll see. And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know no sisters who look at the Kardashians
Speaker 1: as their guide.
Speaker 3: Because they're a blip of an audience. That's not they're
Speaker 3: a blip of an audience. They're not enough to generate
Speaker 3: that kind of brand formidability. They're not. That's not who
Speaker 3: their audience is.
Speaker 2: But who is their audience? Like mid level white.
Speaker 3: Folks their audience. Yeah, they're they're a pop brand. They're
Speaker 3: not a hip hop brand. They're a pop brand.
Speaker 2: But but that's what I'm saying to you.
Speaker 1: What they do is are you saying that they take
Speaker 1: hip hop ideas and translate them to pop people?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I can't see a trend or brand that they started
Speaker 2: or made popular.
Speaker 3: They just live. No, they don't. I think they're just
Speaker 3: they live a rich girl lifestyle that the girls that
Speaker 3: are less rich want to live. And then by less rich,
Speaker 3: not by a ton.
Speaker 1: But I get the concept right of you saying that
Speaker 1: they live a rich girl lifestyle. And so it's just
Speaker 1: people following somebody that they think as wealthy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not that wears the same outfit every day
Speaker 3: and isn't always demonstrating their consumption. Donald Trump's a producer.
Speaker 3: The Coardashis are consumers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it still don't make sense to me much above
Speaker 1: my Uh, whatever's going on is completely beyond me. O,
Speaker 1: what's beyond me? So I couldn't I actually get what
Speaker 1: Donald Trump does. Donald Trump has sold this country, in
Speaker 1: this world wealth for a long time, and things that
Speaker 1: he associates with his name are kind of the concept
Speaker 1: of luxury and success. Right, That's what he was able
Speaker 1: to do. So maybe the Kardashians do the same, but
Speaker 1: I think that they do.
Speaker 3: They do the same thing for the fourth figure purchase
Speaker 3: that he does for the seventh figure purchase.
Speaker 2: But was it that they were rich? Is that? Well?
Speaker 2: I guess they brand was because the dad wasn't was
Speaker 2: some kind.
Speaker 3: Of I mean, like she got started before she was
Speaker 3: running around with Ray J. She was pseudo known for
Speaker 3: running around with Paris Hilton and the party circuit.
Speaker 1: Just chruing is considered because she's connected city Hillton Hotel.
Speaker 1: She's considered like rich snob, rich white snob.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I don't know she was a snob.
Speaker 1: She was just looking at the constant rich party girl.
Speaker 1: I picked it up somewhere, like I see what you're
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 3: Sure, So I guess they just run amok through sunset,
Speaker 3: just beacons of excess.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I guess they are. I guess they are
Speaker 1: Donald Trump for Subadan woman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and and also for like younger people that
Speaker 3: don't have like you know, there's like across the bridge
Speaker 3: for me, there's like all these Trump properties on sunny aisles.
Speaker 3: A twenty two year old watching TV trying to you know,
Speaker 3: have a nice time. Is it going to go buy
Speaker 3: a nine million dollar penthouse and Trump Tower, but they
Speaker 3: can go buy two thousand dollars handbag. Put their mind
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's like in my penises, yeah.
Speaker 3: Or the right one.
Speaker 2: That's a big business, though, big business right now. Selling wealth.
Speaker 1: I don't think everybody does a great job of it,
Speaker 1: but it's a big business.
Speaker 2: I watch a lot of hip hop artists try to
Speaker 2: sell wealth, selles success.
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's been a thing for a long time in
Speaker 3: the genre.
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because the West got successful without that.
Speaker 1: You know, the West was the most successful brand and
Speaker 1: hip hop for a long time because they wasn't trying
Speaker 1: to sell that. They were selling the common man. Like
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about no seelings, and one of the
Speaker 1: most important things I thought was important is I wanted
Speaker 1: to start having a conversation up with people who just.
Speaker 2: Live regular lodge, right, like the worker at Outback Steakhouse.
Speaker 1: That's the type of guests I would like to add
Speaker 1: where we talk about just existing, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean, in life a meter maid, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I always thought those type of conversations is really what
Speaker 1: the world should want to listen to, versus me trying
Speaker 1: to keep finding the most successful people who I actually
Speaker 1: know ain't that fucking successful in the first place. They
Speaker 1: just more successful than the listener. Sure, but when you
Speaker 1: listen to podcasts and coming back from you know that
Speaker 1: whole convention, that that whole Black Effects convention was, it
Speaker 1: just made me think, like, yo, we at that we
Speaker 1: in the eighties of hip hop. For podcasting, this is
Speaker 1: the eighties, this is the this is the this is
Speaker 1: the build up time for podcasts, and like we're not
Speaker 1: doing enough, Like we're not spinning enough ideas off into
Speaker 1: smaller ideas and smaller conversations. We're not doing lives after
Speaker 1: the podcasts to cultivate the audience that's growing with us
Speaker 1: and sharing these conversations.
Speaker 2: Like we're not working. You know, we're not.
Speaker 3: I agree, I would say we were lacking in all faces.
Speaker 3: We're because they just did the NFL Draft last week.
Speaker 3: We're the team with like the number two pick in
Speaker 3: every round and if you were to say what position
Speaker 3: do they need to fill most someone audi ESPN's panel
Speaker 3: will go, well, all of them. That's why they have
Speaker 3: the number two pick. You know, I think I think
Speaker 3: we need to just elevate in the way we distribute
Speaker 3: the diversity of platforms upon which we promote the consistency
Speaker 3: of engagement from a time standpoint, so that there's not
Speaker 3: so many hours between our engagement with our audience.
Speaker 1: All that kind of stuff, and also just building outside
Speaker 1: of what we have moving. Yeah, I mean, so many
Speaker 1: people would be doing this every day. There's people doing
Speaker 1: this every day. Like it's people who have live streams
Speaker 1: that they call podcasts because they don't know the difference.
Speaker 2: But it's like people want to be entertained all fucking day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because life sucks.
Speaker 2: But my life doesn't suck.
Speaker 3: But you're not listening, you're talking. I'm I'm the unique
Speaker 3: bridge component to this whole experience because my life sucks
Speaker 3: and I'm talking. But yeah, all day long, there's there's
Speaker 3: there's a lot of long commutes every day. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of jobs every day where you don't have to
Speaker 3: interact with somebody. You can have headphones on. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of hours of dead air time, you know, all
Speaker 3: told that that can be filled with something better than silence, hopefully.
Speaker 1: So if you did, I have to spend off and
Speaker 1: add a podcast onto no siblings, right, and there's no
Speaker 1: siblings present, and you had to do a people podcast,
Speaker 1: and what would it really be on? What do what
Speaker 1: would you really want to talk about? Like what problem rale?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Let's say our listener is it does have a suburban element,
Speaker 1: but it is an urban person, right, who's trying to
Speaker 1: elevate theyfe in their existence. I noticed when we have
Speaker 1: conversations bro like the other one when we were talking
Speaker 1: about which station sled humans move to, like men to
Speaker 1: move their family to, to actually really be ahead of the opportunity,
Speaker 1: how many people reached out to me and thought that
Speaker 1: was a dope ass conversation. I mean, people are so
Speaker 1: intrigued with how you saw finances and you know how
Speaker 1: you were able to take the history of America and
Speaker 1: wrap it up into a conversation of today, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? So if you had to do a
Speaker 1: No Seilings Presents podcast, like, what would it even be about?
Speaker 2: At that point?
Speaker 3: I would like to do, you know, micro and macroeconomics
Speaker 3: kind of sort of thing, like, uh, a mixture conversation
Speaker 3: of kind of cool innovative like big picture trends or
Speaker 3: like unique outliers of stuff that's going on like within
Speaker 3: you know, capital markets or technological innovations, and also kind
Speaker 3: of talk about like everything through the prism of just
Speaker 3: like a regular guy and your just general personal financial
Speaker 3: vision as a person, as a as a couple, and
Speaker 3: kind of the psychology of balancing a budget. How do
Speaker 3: you know what are your priorities? You know you're when
Speaker 3: does it make sense to you to say, screw the
Speaker 3: five thousand dollars into the whatever the hell fund? I
Speaker 3: want to take the family to Disney World because I'm
Speaker 3: gonna spend up time with my kids or or whatever
Speaker 3: that might be kind of like I just want to
Speaker 3: have a conversation about value, value of time and value
Speaker 3: of commodities.
Speaker 1: And what type of being that you could identify the
Speaker 1: stick of the conversation. Where do you think we would
Speaker 1: actually find like where would the partners be at in
Speaker 1: that kind of conversation.
Speaker 3: I think like the low hanging fruit would be, although
Speaker 3: like anything with a bank or a credit card. And
Speaker 3: then like there's there's all kinds of people trying to
Speaker 3: sell hedges that are looking for audiences, like we're not audiences,
Speaker 3: but that they're looking for kind of more small level investors.
Speaker 3: Like all these gold companies or like red companies that
Speaker 3: have low level buy ins, or different pre ipo platforms
Speaker 3: that offer you people the opportunity to buy like a
Speaker 3: minimum of like one hundred or a couple hundred dollars
Speaker 3: in a small company before it goes public, and if
Speaker 3: you've got one hundred bucks, you can throw it at
Speaker 3: it and whatever. Maybe in three years it gets consumed,
Speaker 3: sold out to another entity, and your hundred bucksterns into
Speaker 3: it like twelve hundred bucks. It's not like the greatest
Speaker 3: windfall of cash everybody. If you just kind of you know, say,
Speaker 3: you know, every week, I'm just gonna throw another one
Speaker 3: hundred dollars or whatever the new release thing is on,
Speaker 3: like the thing I get emails from all the times
Speaker 3: called Republic just every day for a year, just chiped
Speaker 3: one hundred bucks off to do the minimum and whatever
Speaker 3: the new company is. They have a whole bevy of
Speaker 3: different companies. Yeah, some of them are gonna hit you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's more interesting to me personally
Speaker 3: than standing behind six people in line at seven to
Speaker 3: eleven who are buying scratchers, especially because they take so
Speaker 3: fucking long.
Speaker 2: But you know it was a crazy question for you.
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna do another podcast right to field on
Speaker 1: the No Seller's brand, it's No Siblings Presents, and then
Speaker 1: it's this extra podcast that I'm doing. What do you
Speaker 1: think the stick that I should talk about? What do
Speaker 1: you think the average fan would expect for me? You
Speaker 1: know people that know me personally, you know fans who
Speaker 1: just know me from a distance. What do people want
Speaker 1: to hear me talk about that I have the utmost
Speaker 1: knowledge in or or even shed some level of insight into.
Speaker 3: That's really interesting because to separate that idea from what
Speaker 3: we're already doing is kind of hard because you call
Speaker 3: the topics and it's and there's obviously an interesting people listening.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, if I had the niche, if I
Speaker 2: had the niche.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that, Like, it's pretty interesting. You spend
Speaker 3: a lot of time talking about like the construction of
Speaker 3: a song, you know, and doing an episode about out
Speaker 3: bass drums or the bass. We had a conversation over
Speaker 3: the weekend about how bass lines are gone from hip hop, sure,
Speaker 3: you know, or just little stuff like that people could
Speaker 3: learn about, like what makes music? How does music work?
Speaker 3: How do you layer things? Why does this sound different
Speaker 3: than that or better than this? And blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: You knows how does a rhythm work? How does a
Speaker 3: drum work?
Speaker 2: It is something I vested in and I have extensive information.
Speaker 3: Then yeah, I think there's a ton of ways you
Speaker 3: could do that because you could talk about like samples,
Speaker 3: how like songs that you wouldn't think came from another
Speaker 3: like this song came from that, and then almost do
Speaker 3: like a whiteboard of like here's how the song started,
Speaker 3: like the song we were listening to it, thank you
Speaker 3: for playing on loop in the car such that it
Speaker 3: was stuck in my head until about an hour and
Speaker 3: a half ago. But like start with that and then
Speaker 3: like you know how you have the like in the studio,
Speaker 3: there's the program where there's the different like lot not lines,
Speaker 3: but you know you know what I mean, like the
Speaker 3: the ship where you can see the sound waves layered
Speaker 3: like this and really yeah really likes yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 3: show people how that works. How there's like five layers
Speaker 3: in the original song. Okay, well we're gonna take these
Speaker 3: two that we want. It's eight measures long. These two
Speaker 3: measures we're gonna keep. We're gonna loop those, we're gonna
Speaker 3: do it like this Da da da da da da
Speaker 3: da da and explain to people how that works. And
Speaker 3: you could do you know, you could do it that way.
Speaker 3: You could talk about the evolution of like like how
Speaker 3: I feel like high hats and hip hop kind of
Speaker 3: we're like there. But I really started hearing them with
Speaker 3: Manny Fresh and Early No Limit, ear Early Cash, I mean,
Speaker 3: and then when they start they changed sound again. I
Speaker 3: felt like somewhere in like the earlier part of maybe
Speaker 3: like Rick Ross's stuff, where they went from sounded like
Speaker 3: there was a guy in the studio, you know, actually
Speaker 3: hitting them on Manny's stuff, and then it was just
Speaker 3: like that, like you could tell it was digital.
Speaker 1: When the trap had when they called them trap haads,
Speaker 1: when the trap has hit.
Speaker 3: Exactly, they're just different. Stuff like that. You could you
Speaker 3: could riff on that all the god damn day long
Speaker 3: for a thousand episodes.
Speaker 2: I got an idea.
Speaker 1: I had an idea a while ago, but it's it's
Speaker 1: probably time to bring it into fruition. Or was that
Speaker 1: I just wanted to do a conversation about really great
Speaker 1: you know, instrumentals and records, like I think what's happening
Speaker 1: in hip hop specifically, or even in music is people
Speaker 1: are getting so carried away with the lyrics of songs
Speaker 1: that they forget it's about the music itself. And every
Speaker 1: time I talk to somebody and I expressed to him,
Speaker 1: I was explaining this to Joey, I'm like, most people
Speaker 1: don't know how hip hop.
Speaker 2: Started, right.
Speaker 1: Hip Hop didn't start with the MC. Hip Hop started
Speaker 1: because people started to move a certain way, right, And
Speaker 1: when certain records would come on and they would get
Speaker 1: to these parts of the records, you would see these
Speaker 1: young people starting to really move and it's really funky
Speaker 1: different way that people had never moved before, like as
Speaker 1: far as dancing, like which became what people called bee boy,
Speaker 1: where they would just fuck it up. And you know,
Speaker 1: on a certain part of the record they call it
Speaker 1: the break, it's the drum break is the full expression.
Speaker 1: But when that music get away and the melodies get
Speaker 1: away in that boom.
Speaker 2: And you just start seeing people fuck it up.
Speaker 1: And DJ saw that happening, and they got another turntable
Speaker 1: and they started to fucking keep looping that part.
Speaker 5: M boom poch boom, boom, boom, pinch boom boom, boom boom,
Speaker 5: and people just could keep.
Speaker 1: Sucking it up and it had the party hype. And
Speaker 1: then the MC came around after to keep the party hype,
Speaker 1: but it was already a relationship between the music and
Speaker 1: people dancing. And dancing is what really moves hip hop.
Speaker 1: And let me wrong, there's a there's a lot of
Speaker 1: conversations about different things, and there's a lot of great
Speaker 1: things that people don't dance to in hip hop. But
Speaker 1: the cornerstone of this motherfucker is for the way the
Speaker 1: streets are moving at that time, the way street urban
Speaker 1: culture is moving. You look at like I said, you
Speaker 1: look at what's going on in Milwaukee with JP and
Speaker 1: and four one four Frank and Maya p and and
Speaker 1: it's it's so many different the stoner you know, and
Speaker 1: you look at how they're moving. And now the producers
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee right are making music. They're making music.
Speaker 2: For people to move the way that they move. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you you know, uh, you ever told bitch I
Speaker 1: got jeez?
Speaker 2: You ever make a bit of here their knees? Well,
Speaker 2: guess what an JP you know?
Speaker 1: And you see him moving and that's the cornerstone of
Speaker 1: hip hop, and that's why you see what's going on
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee starting to move throughout the country. You know,
Speaker 1: these little dudes is getting booked everywhere because they are
Speaker 1: controlling how.
Speaker 2: People are moving.
Speaker 1: They're showing people how to move, and they're creating the
Speaker 1: music that people move to. Now, is it gonna go
Speaker 1: to a corporate level? Is it produced well enough to
Speaker 1: get into, you know, a mainstream space. It's probably still behind.
Speaker 1: But that's not what hip hop is about. Hip Hop
Speaker 1: is about that right there, you know that thing right there,
Speaker 1: And you know, I listen to a lot of people
Speaker 1: talk about it and they don't get that simple part
Speaker 1: right and again because they're not focused on the music.
Speaker 2: They're focused on you know, rappers are.
Speaker 1: Hella arrogant and they make it about themselves. Oh it's
Speaker 1: about me. People want to hear me, No man, we
Speaker 1: want to hear it, shit jam. We want to hear
Speaker 1: this ship move. We want to see people having a
Speaker 1: good time. We want that energy, that festive energy. So
Speaker 1: I thought about doing something that really focuses on the
Speaker 1: music behind hip hop, not so much the rap, but
Speaker 1: the music. You know, taking Michael McDonald's you know, I
Speaker 1: keep forgetting and turning it into.
Speaker 2: The beat that's regulating. Yeah, taking than Haywood.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to do something freaky and turning
Speaker 1: it into nothing but the g thing.
Speaker 3: Yeahven Like my favorite example is let Me Ride, Like
Speaker 3: that song that they took that from. It's like seven
Speaker 3: minutes long.
Speaker 1: It's a Parliament song, Mothership Connection, and that part of
Speaker 1: the song is five minutes into the song.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So it is it's
Speaker 5: tough because you know, for so.
Speaker 1: Long the rapper has been in the forefront of hip
Speaker 1: hop that people really think it's about the rapper, but
Speaker 1: the consistent successes in the hip hop somewhere along the line,
Speaker 1: somebody understand this about the music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think that really hip hop it's
Speaker 3: like a car. A lot the rappers, the salesman, the
Speaker 3: music of the cars.
Speaker 2: There you go. That's it simple as that.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's nothing like buying a good car
Speaker 1: from a good salesman. But most of these niggas is
Speaker 1: selling you lemons.
Speaker 3: They are or or they're just standing on the right
Speaker 3: lot and people. They're just basically standing between the person
Speaker 3: and the car they want.
Speaker 1: Everybody just want to drive something they don't give and
Speaker 1: go and that goes back to my point that I
Speaker 1: was having with the dude earlier when we was talking
Speaker 1: about international players Anthem and oh well, Andre three thousand
Speaker 1: carried the song.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 3: I thought Pimp C's first like hit that when that
Speaker 3: drum hit and he did it.
Speaker 1: Damn man, they love that made the song to me.
Speaker 1: But that's the point. All the verses were ten. You
Speaker 1: know why, because you can't fucking go wrong with that
Speaker 1: fucking break. That fucking break that that I choose you
Speaker 1: break is crazy. That would hutch break. Shout out to
Speaker 1: HUDs from above the low. I think that's his uncle
Speaker 1: or his father. It might even be his father. I
Speaker 1: got to do my homework, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: really hunted like that I choose you break. They got
Speaker 1: it just right. And if I understand correctly, three six
Speaker 1: did the music.
Speaker 2: So it's like.
Speaker 3: PIMPC did a song over that track on I think
Speaker 3: like laying the SmackDown or something like that, and it
Speaker 3: didn't go so wealth for him. And I'm a huge
Speaker 3: pat fan, man, but to get that other song went
Speaker 3: really well for those guys.
Speaker 2: You better get that ship right, man.
Speaker 1: And then so definitely it's starting to get to a
Speaker 1: space to where like, you know, we're starting to understand
Speaker 1: a podcast space, and I could see we're going to
Speaker 1: really get into a much serious, a much more serious
Speaker 1: kind of approach to this, where not only are we
Speaker 1: making much greater you know, art as far as the
Speaker 1: pod themselves go, but even just doing better business with
Speaker 1: it to where people can people want to organize under
Speaker 1: great business and they want to support great business. They
Speaker 1: want to support something successful so they could run into
Speaker 1: their friends that they was one of the earliest people
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. That's a big thing, especially in.
Speaker 1: My following sure, So I just I just think being there, man,
Speaker 1: it was it was eye opening and glad you came, bro,
Speaker 1: because like you needed to see what's going on so
Speaker 1: you can see what's possible, you know me, Because I still,
Speaker 1: like I said, we were so early in like we're
Speaker 1: not even in ninety two ninety three yet of the
Speaker 1: podcasting space. Like we're probably at like nineteen ninety maybe
Speaker 1: ninety one if we get lucky ninety one, we're not
Speaker 1: even to the boom of where deth Ro and bad
Speaker 1: Boy came and really expanded the game as two brands
Speaker 1: going crazy.
Speaker 3: I think we're in that year where Onyx won the
Speaker 3: Grammy instead of the Chronic where it was like that
Speaker 3: one paradigm had just about run its course and the
Speaker 3: other one was was just but it hadn't hit critical
Speaker 3: mass yet enough to be appreciated.
Speaker 2: I think a little bit before that, I think we are.
Speaker 1: Wa loses ice Cube, but yet they're about to drop
Speaker 1: you know, Niggas for Life and ice Cubes on the
Speaker 1: verse of dropping kill a Wheel or America's most you
Speaker 1: see public enemy. So this is how you think hip
Speaker 1: hop is going to go. Like you're looking at the
Speaker 1: pod spaces, You're like, oh, it's gonna go like this.
Speaker 1: But you are on the eve of the Bad Boy
Speaker 1: and the Death Row moment where they just really redefine
Speaker 1: everything we knew about hip hop at that point and
Speaker 1: really took hip hop into a consistent space to compete
Speaker 1: with the greatest mediums and all of entertainment.
Speaker 2: At that point, you know what I mean, period, they
Speaker 2: was just.
Speaker 1: Competing, and it went from hip hop just competing with
Speaker 1: itself and having an occasional breakthrough to where every time
Speaker 1: music came out from these two labels, they were competing
Speaker 1: with every last facet of you know, the music business itself,
Speaker 1: like Innerscope was competing with Sony, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like Doctor Dre Records was beating out you know, Suzanne
Speaker 1: Summers or you know what I mean, or Share or
Speaker 1: some shit, you know, I mean, it was a problem.
Speaker 1: And I think we're right before that. I think we're
Speaker 1: at that space in the podcast era where, like I said, where.
Speaker 2: You're seeing what's around the corner. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You don't see what's around the corner yet, but you
Speaker 1: could feel this coming. So I'm interested it was gonna happen,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to pulling.
Speaker 2: This shit out for real.
Speaker 3: Absolutely good looking out for.
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Speaker 2: Yeah