WEBVTT - Full Wrestlemania Lineup and MLW Lawsuit Update 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.800 Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:06.640 of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:11.080 Are you ready? Are you ready? Let's get it all. 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:17.799 How's it going, everybody? Brian Alvarez here on Wrestling Observer Live. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.720 We are here every day Monday through Friday, New Pacific, 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:25.240 three Eastern, Sundays three Pacific, sixth Eastern. I am back 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:28.440 here on the program, everybody, and we got a lot 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:33.559 to talk about here today and a lot more exciting 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.160 things in my head. I thought we can talk about 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:39.559 that later. It is Wednesday, and that means tonight it 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:44.320 is aw Dynamite. They're still in California, Aaron Sacramento. We 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.720 got six matches announced for the show tonight, including for 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:54.240 the ae W TNT title. Wardlow we'll be defending against 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:59.080 Powerhouse Hobbs. Powerhouse Hobbs is from the Bay Area, which 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.960 is a little bit south of Sacramento. But he is 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.000 facing a man who is very, very angry because his 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.880 car got broken into and everything was stolen, including his 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.920 T and T tie. So we'll talk about the full 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.920 lineup for the show tonight. We have got the MLW 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:21.840 lawsuit they did refile they had until they had until 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:26.400 Monday to refile, and they did, so we'll tell you 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:30.039 what's going on there. We have a full lineup for 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:33.560 WrestleMania at this point. We've got looks like eight matches 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:38.080 and these will be split between two nights and we'll 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:40.480 find out what matches are on what night as things 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.920 go on. We do know a couple of them because 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.120 of things that people have said. We got another pay 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.280 per view coming up, Backlash, which has now been booked 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:54.320 for May sixth in San Juan, Porto Rico, and so 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.120 you'll never guess through the host of that show is 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.200 going to be. We've got raw ratings for Monday Night 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.040 with the return of John Cena, which did not do 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:06.080 nearly as well as SmackDown with the Return of John Cena. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:08.680 And yes, while I did not get to personally do 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.120 the world famous Raw reports, I do get to do 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:16.560 the world famous n xt TV report today back in 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:40.000 a moment with more Observer Live Bregg on the show. 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:43.520 Bran Elbarez here Wrestling Observer Live, Mike simper viv also 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:45.960 Wrestling Observer dot Com. Your tie line's kind of acting up. 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:48.720 I may have to have you switched channels okay, but 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:51.799 we have a lot of news to get into here today. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.960 I'm gonna tell you this everybody, because this is a business. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.280 If you want the whole story about why I got 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:58.600 no hair right now, you're gonna listen to the bran 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.280 of any show last night. Spend good eight ten minutes 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:05.280 on it. But the short version is, I thought I 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:11.119 was really clever yesterday spoofing Vince McMahon for his mustache 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:16.400 and his jet black hair, And so I might have 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:21.519 painted on a mustache. And perhaps because I do not 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:25.639 want to dye my hair black, I got a cover up. 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:32.000 They called it a temporary die that was designed to 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.720 be sprayed into the part of your hair to just 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.480 cover up the roots. And perhaps it was not designed 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:45.480 to paint your entire head black. And suffice to say, 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:49.920 it didn't come out. Can I ask you a question, yes, 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:55.560 why did you have that product in range to grab? 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.640 To begin with? Brian? Why didn't I what have the what? 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.160 In what? Talking to? Where? Did you have that problem? 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.200 Why was it just sitting around the house? Have you 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.640 been touching it up after all these years? I bought 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.840 it yesterday before the show. In fact, if you want 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:11.600 to find out exactly what I was in the store 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.920 buying it. And this is an irony that nobody knows. 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:19.000 So yesterday I told Mike that you know him and filth. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.000 You guys want to do the show whatever, but I 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.280 have got to be on to talk about Vince's mustache. 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:27.680 And so if you recall, Mike, I told you that 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:31.719 I was going to start the show and then and 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.880 then you guys could go from there. Yes, but if 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:40.159 you scroll back in your text messages, it would be 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:45.200 at exactly eleven thirty eight am Pacific, which was two 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.960 thirty eight Eastern. That's when I came up with the 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.240 idea and stopped at the right aid. And in fact, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:55.560 do you remember when I texted you ironically change of plans? Yes, yeah, 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.960 plans change when ye when you was it was imperative 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.120 him that I started to show well because I didn't 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.159 know if I had everything done on time, and I 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.440 wanted to sneak in like Vince snuck in. So yeah, 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:12.560 I got a jet black root touch up. I sprayed 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.680 it all over my head and uh, you know it's 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.599 supposed to It was supposed it said it would wash 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:23.520 out after one shampoo. Last one shampoo. It said wrong 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:27.840 and after and this. You know, sometimes I exaggerate and 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:31.040 everything like that, but I'm not kidding. I put shampoo 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:34.839 in and washed it out eight times, and nothing had changed. 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:38.400 I couldn't get my fingers through my hair. Nothing. And 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.200 I decided I was gonna wait, you know, six hours 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.440 or so and try it again. I tried washing with shampoo. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:48.400 I tried washing with soap. I tried washing with uh 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:53.600 don dish soap. Nothing. And this guy, this guy goes, 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.520 why not just leave it black? Because it wasn't the 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.920 color that was the issue. It was that it's not 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.800 the stuff that the cover up is not like a 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:08.520 die okay. What it is is some substance okay. And 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:12.320 the substance would not wash out of my hair. Some goo, 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:16.359 yeah it was. It was literally goo. And like I 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:17.960 tried to, you know, go like this, and then my 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.120 fingers are stuck. I got like so at that point, 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.200 it was like I just gotta shave my head. I 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.160 gotta shave it all out of my head. And I 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.599 thought I thought I was gonna be que bald, like 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.320 totally bald, but I managed to get it down to 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.760 a number two and this stuff was all out for 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.360 scalp at any point on your head there is it? 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.080 Is it died or is it just your hair? I 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.159 don't think so. I mean I can see my scalp, 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:49.599 so the stuff's all out of it. Goly So. Anyway, 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:54.080 Vince once again gets the last laugh on me. It 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:58.159 is like constant suffering. Yeah, I had pictures too, and 0:06:58.160 --> 0:06:59.479 I would like try and put my hands in my 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:01.800 hair and then I like, you know, black goo all 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:06.080 over my fingers. It was bad. Oh man. Now, at 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.320 any point during your time as Vince, did you get 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:14.080 the urge to harass anybody you're as signed any NDA's Well, thankfully, 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.600 I I you know, I got out of the skies immediately. 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.480 I was going to sneak in with my shirt off 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.480 and do the full Vince McMahon walk. But I thought 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.280 we might be booted out of off a twitch if 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:30.240 I did something like that. So didn't happen. You want, 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:31.800 if you want more, you can listen to the Briant 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.800 vide show last night. But tonight we got to talk 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:39.240 about news. My head is not news. Okay, yes, Vince's 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.680 mustache and his jet black hair was news, but my 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:46.160 head is not news. Uh So, Sacramento Tonight Wardlow versus 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:50.160 Powerhouse House for the TNT title, Jericho, Sammy and Daniel 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:54.080 Garcia Berss Top Flight in aar Fox Orange Cassidy versus 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.960 Jay Lethal for the Atlantic title. Moxley and Claudio versus 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.920 Alex Reynolds and John silber I, Blewe versus Ruby soho At. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:06.480 A promo from The Hangman Now is noted in the 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:11.000 opening segment. On Twitter or Tuesday evening, Wardlow shared a 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.280 video of his rental car, which had been broken into. 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:18.120 Everything in the car was stolen, including his gear and 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.200 the T and T title. He said, well, thanks to 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.200 the person who broken in my rental car, and literally 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.760 they took absolutely everything from me, he said, my T 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.200 and T title, my ring, gear, my boots, my whole 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.960 life in those bags. I don't know if that means 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.440 I'll have to beat the stuffing out of Hobbs in 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:36.079 these clothes I'm wearing right now. But one way or another, 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.520 I'm gonna make it a sacramento and we're gonna get 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.760 this done. Whoever did this better, Thank god I didn't 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.240 catch you in the act. Your job would be as 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:47.800 shattered as this glass is. So he's mad, and I 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.520 guess we'll find out what they do on You know, 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.600 if I had to guess, I've been pushing for Hobbs 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:57.240 to win the title for like forever, but I don't 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.680 think it's happening tonight because they just put the title 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:03.080 on Wardlow. And my my feeling as to why this 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.880 is being booked this way is that, yes, he's not 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:11.439 winning the title, Yes he's not winning the belt in Sacramento, 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:16.400 but he got the big win in his hometown. He's 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:20.520 getting the big push in his hometown. He will lose 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:22.320 the match in the end, but he got all of 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.800 that other stuff. That's what I figure is going to 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:31.280 happen here. I mean I would be you know, but 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:34.080 why is it necessary? Yeah, becauuse the match he won 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.319 was to give him a title match. But this wasn't 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.960 the next match that Wardlow had, or it wasn't the 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.520 next thing that he had to do. He could get 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.040 a big win over somebody to night look dominant, have 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:49.000 the crowd go crazy for it. You know, he can 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.800 do something diabolical and there you go, and he can 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.320 you know, challenge Wardlow that way? Why are we rushing 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:58.079 into having to have that title match on this Dynamite 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.200 I'm sure they want to sell tickets because he he's 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.600 somewhat local, I guess, but you couldn't put him against 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.920 somebody else, any other name on the roster and saw 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.319 a ticket for it's got to be a TNT title match. Well, 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.200 I will say this, I was baffled on the cow 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.320 Palace show that he was on the show. But he 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:17.240 wrestled for like ten seconds and he was gone. I 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.600 will laugh if you know his music hits tonight and 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.360 he walks out in Wardlow's gear and the TNT title 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.800 because he was the one who broke into Wardlow's car. Actually, 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.080 that would be quite the little angle right there, but 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:35.679 I don't think it's happening. MLW refiled the final day 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.280 they could have been their lawsuit. They did that Monday. 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.640 It was filed and if San Jose again, which I 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.400 thought they weren't gonna be able to file at San Jose, 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:47.040 but they did, calling it predatory conduct. MLW is continuing 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.280 to claim WWE is impeding their ability to compete in 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:54.439 the licensing that's programming for distribution on streaming services. Continues 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:58.120 to threaten to deprive MLW of its ability to license 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.800 it's programming for distribution on cable. They claim they are 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:08.360 quote at risk of the business being irreparably destroyed, and 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:12.959 so you know, you know these things are written and 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.040 a naked attempt to restrain competition through the abuse of 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.440 its market power. WWE, through Paul leavec It's then executive 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:23.200 vice president, called MSG to insist MSG canceled the show 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.720 with a Ring of honor in New Japan. Unable to 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:30.000 resist the pressure from the industry behemoth, MSG succumbed and 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:33.200 withdrew from the Ring of Honor agreement and canceled the 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.760 Ring of Honor show while Sinclair threaten to sue MSGU 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.840 over the agreement. The show was rescheduled. Rh and New 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.920 Japan were forced to incurse significant legal expense to vindicate 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:46.440 their legal rights and a defend against WWE's anti competitive behavior. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.640 So it is unknown, it says, when the court will 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.920 make their next ruling. Original lawsuit was filed in January 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.520 of twenty twenty two. And we're back in a moment 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:02.440 to talk of this plenty more right, Tom Wrestling Observer 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:35.280 Live bag on the show. Bright Albert is here Wrestling 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:39.480 Observer Live except for bed also Wrestling Observer dot Com. 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:44.120 So WrestleMania's coming up. Here are the matches thus far 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:50.000 for this show. We have Roman Reigns against Cody Rhodes 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:54.880 for all the belts. We have Charlotte against Rhea for 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.920 the women's title, SmackDown Bianca versus Zasca for the Raw 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:03.560 women's title. We have Austin Theory against John Cena for 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:10.760 the US title. Man that segment Monday, Holy smokes, we 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.320 have got Oh you're over there right, I don't know, 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.920 am I? You are all right? We got Gunther defending 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:23.000 against somebody. Brock Leser will be pacing Oh Moss can 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:31.320 wait for that one, and seth Rawlins versus Logan Paul. Monday, 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:36.800 they did a challenge and set up tris Stratis Becky 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:44.360 Lynch and Leda versus Damage Control, which is Bailey, Dakota 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:50.199 Kai and EO Sky. And originally there's gonna be a 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.439 women's tag team title match at WrestleMania, but currently the 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.600 women's tag team champions are in this sixth person. So 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.640 either there is going to be a title change where 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:03.040 beck He and Leda lose the tag titles to somebody 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.119 and then we set up a title match for Mania, 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.000 or that's not going to happen. My guess is, since 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.280 we have about a month left, that is what's going 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.840 to happen, because it doesn't make sense to tie up 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.280 the tag titles in a sixth person when you have 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.960 two Knights of WrestleMania, and right now we have eight matches, 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.480 that's one night of WrestleMania. These will be these current 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.400 matches will be split between both Knights, but the point 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.760 is eight matches on one show, eight matches on another show. 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.800 We have eight more matches that we need, so I 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.720 presume there's gonna be a tag title change, but well, 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.000 you know what makes the most sense there is to 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.240 have Rhonda and Shana win the belts and then defend 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.080 them against Tigan Knox, which who is one of Triple 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:46.640 Ah's favorites. She is somebody that has had so many 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.720 injuries and so much in her path to even get 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:51.960 to this point where she could be at a Rustlemania 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:57.080 and Natalia as her partner, who is a Rustlemania stalwart 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.800 ever year, getting on the card. So that would make 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.800 them most sense to actually have some functionality with those 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.400 titles and to get all of those names I just 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:09.200 mentioned on the card, and then as noted, we have 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:15.520 got the Backlash show May sixth from Colosseo de Puerto 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:20.200 Rico Jose Miguel leg something or other. It's in San Juan. 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:26.760 It is the home of Bad Bunny, so he will 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:32.560 be hosting the show whatever that means, and he'll be out. 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:34.720 It'll be his first appearance since the twenty twenty two 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:40.640 Royal rumble. And he said, in two thousand and five, 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:45.560 when I was a kid. God, ouch, that's the year 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.000 I started all of this, not even the whole thing, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.800 just a website. The other thing was was a decade 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.400 before that. In two thousand and five, when I was 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.720 a kid, I was not able to attend New Year's 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:01.640 Revolution at l Colisseo. Finally, eighteen years later, ww return 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.280 to the island with a massive event, and this time 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:10.080 I won't miss it. So there you go. Is it 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:14.480 thirty five years this year since Bruiser Brody? Is it 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:16.800 my math right with eighty eight there? So it has 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:20.440 been a long time. And I've been watching some of 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.920 those WWC shows that are on wop on on Saturdays 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.480 and Sundays, and that is a scene that needs as 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:31.320 much help as it can get now. Obviously economically structurally 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.960 that place Puerto Rico is. You know, they got bigger 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.640 concerns than wrestling, but it ought to be interesting to 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.920 see exactly what it's like. And frankly, I'm interested to 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.960 see exactly what WWE does in the week leading up 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.560 to the event, because obviously they like being involved in 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.240 these big events. They like again getting themselves in and 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.240 doing a munch of charitable works and things like that. 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:54.800 I'd like to see what they actually do for the 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.800 people of Puerto Rico to put on that show. Oh 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:04.720 alrighty the Raw ratings from Monday, So this was a 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.200 return of John Cena. They guys, remember when John Cena 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:12.120 returned at that SmackDown show showed great. John Cena really 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:17.120 moves those numbers. But I didn't really do that this time. 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:22.560 So the Raw show built around appearances by both John 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.879 Cena and Logan Paul. They were trying to get all 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.520 of the alleged you know, big market names are Raw 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:32.000 one point eight three million viewers point five two in 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:37.760 eighteen to forty nine and the hourly numbers. It opened 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.560 at one point eight nine million, which is not great. 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.160 The good news is it didn't really drop a lot 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.360 throughout the show. One point eight nine million first hour, 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.520 one point eight six million second hour, and they held 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.360 to a one point seven four million third hour, which 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:52.200 my guess is when Sena was out there, it went 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.520 way up and then went way down, but it averaged 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:58.480 one point seven four million viewers, so it was just, 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.399 you know, it was just a number. But you know, 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.480 as we've mentioned before, this goes for both a W 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:13.040 and WWE. Everybody gets all fixated on the average viewership 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.440 number for the show. But we got to talk about 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:20.600 the cable charts, and you know, sometimes people go, ah, 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:22.560 it's not about it. It It is about eighteen forty nine, 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.840 because there's a cable chart and that's how the shows 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:27.200 are ranked. So if we're about something else, they would 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.360 rank them by something else. If we're about the number 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:30.840 of people that just watch the show, wud be ranked 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:32.879 by that. It's not. It's eighteen to forty nine. And 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.399 they were first on cable, and they weren't just first 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:38.760 on cable. They were first on cable by a wide margin. 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:45.119 With Below Deck doing a point two seven and Tucker 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.800 Carlson doing a point two seven. They both did a 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.080 point two seven is two and three Rot did a 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:57.479 point five two, So you know. That's great. That's all 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:00.280 there is to say about it. So why it was down, 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.800 Why Johnson didn't move numbers like he has before, I 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.800 don't know. Maybe maybe people knew he was showing up 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:10.119 to see theory. That may maybe that was it too. 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:15.760 But our plus three and plus I obviously it's a thing. 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:19.840 It's important to a much lesser degree. But plus three 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:24.720 I would think is relatively important because wouldn't broadcasters and 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.320 add people, you know, the ones who are buying commercials 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.800 and all that. Wouldn't they actually be happy within three 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.160 days of you checking out product and being up on it. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.080 Is that a number that they care about? I don't 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:37.840 think they care that much about it because it will 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.120 be honest, if you record raw on Monday and then 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.720 you decide you're gonna watch it on Wednesday, I mean, 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.000 because you ain't sitting there watching those commercials. Dude, you're 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.840 skipping through the commercials. Well that's true and true. And 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:52.360 you know the other thing too. I mean, listen, here's 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.960 anything about plus three. You know when when a show 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.119 like Rod is a point five two, and then you 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:01.119 know second place in third place are doing what they 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.800 do point two seven? I mean your plus three ain't 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.399 gonna it ain't gonna made much of a difference. And 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.400 you know, everyone has a plus three, and I would 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:11.439 think that for the most part, the plus threes are 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:13.960 all similar, with the exception of you know, if there's 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:17.439 a sporting event, I mean, if there's a big game, 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.720 I mean, no one's skipping the game and then watching 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.920 it three days later. I mean, that's why. That's why 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.880 sports or DVR proof, which they're not so anything that's 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.800 not a sport. I mean, your plus three's are all 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.639 probably going to be relatively the same. It's not going 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:37.520 to make a big difference in the cable charts or 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:41.840 the overall about that. Sometimes with Rampage where it's like 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:45.520 I wonder if people like three days later or even 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:48.159 like if they hear really good matches on there, but 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:50.119 it's like I don't have the time to get to it, 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:51.720 or the rest of the show wasn't that good or 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.639 whatever it was. I wonder it's like, do people go 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.640 back around to it if they hear that that TAKESHTA. 0:20:57.760 --> 0:20:59.480 I know it was on Dark, but let's just say 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.400 t kesh Jack cart Wheel, you know you heard that match? 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:04.280 Was that good? At some point do they even go 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:07.360 back around to it, or is it just once four 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:11.920 days happens, it might as well be gone. Well, it 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:16.119 happens because we had gotten plus three numbers before, and 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.320 there are people that watched the show on a significant delay. 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:23.879 And you know, Tony Kahn in the in the media 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:28.119 deal on Sunday, you know, he was talking about that 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:29.840 one pay per view, Remember that one pay per view 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:33.199 that went like well over four hours, and there was 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:34.960 like a game and they were winning for the game 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:37.400 to end before they put the big matches out there, 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:41.720 and so it ended up going really long, and you know, yeah, 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:46.560 his theory was, well, there might be people watching the game, 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:49.479 and then you know, if we saved the big matches 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:51.400 till the game is over, we might get a bunch 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:56.000 of late buys. So he claims that that happened, you know, 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:58.760 not like you know, one hundred thousand, but it did 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.840 make a difference. And so you know, if there is 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.480 a if there's word of mouth for a great match 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:08.240 on an AW show or you know, a raw sho 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:10.919 or whatever, people will go back and watch it. But 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:13.120 it's not really in numbers that are going to make 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:16.840 like a substantial difference. I mean, you have a core 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:20.800 audience that is watching raw, that is watching a w 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:24.719 and that is definitely watching rampage. You've got a core audience, okay. 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:28.400 And the key is, you know, for a wrestling company, 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:32.240 if you're running for AW, for example, I mean, yeah, 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:34.080 you can get some extra people plus three, but what 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.239 you want is for the people to be invested in 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.200 your angle so they'll actually buy the pay per view. 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:41.479 For WW it's less important because they're on peacock. It's like, 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.520 you know, you're not asking them to spend forty dollars 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:46.560 or fifty dollars or whatever an a w pay per 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:49.120 view is. And you know, the one thing that we've 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:52.080 also learned from the AW pay per views is that 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:54.760 whether they have a big number or a small number 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:57.320 for a go home show, that really does not have 0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:59.320 a massive bearing on how the pay per view is 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:01.200 going to do. Your pay per view is going to 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.960 be purchased by your hardcorees. So if your show does 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:07.680 eight hundred thousand or it does one point two million, 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.040 you know, all of those extra people above eight hundred thousand, 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:13.640 they may not be buying the pay per view at all. 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.000 Your goal is to convince the people under eight hundred 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:19.520 thousand to buy that pay per view, and apparently they 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.080 did it, because this weekend show apparently to better than 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:25.840 Full Gear. That's where the early numbers showed. So there 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.920 you go. This isn't really related, but I'm interested to 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:32.040 know what exactly Reels would have gotten on Peacock. I 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:35.440 wonder if Peacock goes out and actually gives a number 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.439 or touts how great it did streaming wise, or something 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:40.879 like that. I'm interested to see if there's anything about 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.280 that at all, because if you were to click into 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:46.760 Peacock when you have the channels, at least for the weekend, 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:49.560 it was towards the top. Now they've knocked it down 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:52.080