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Speaker 1: What is your message to Hesboala and its backer Iran?

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Speaker 2: Don't don't don't don't.

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Speaker 3: And what's the message to Iran?

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Speaker 1: Don't?

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Speaker 2: As President Biden said, just don't.

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Speaker 4: Exactly one word, pretty straightforward. It was very important to

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Speaker 4: send a very clear message to anyone who might seek

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Speaker 4: to take advantage of the conflict in gas but to

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Speaker 4: threaten our personnel here anywhere else in the region, don't

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Speaker 4: do it.

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Speaker 5: I've already delivered.

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Speaker 2: The message to marand they know not to do anything.

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Speaker 5: I've already delivered the message who Iran, they know not

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Speaker 5: to do anything. That's from about a week or two ago.

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Speaker 5: Apparently all those don'ts did not work.

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Speaker 3: The chaos in the Middle East shows signs of growing

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Speaker 3: into even greater chaos. To discuss that in the recent

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Speaker 3: events were joined by Josh Rogan, Global Opinions calumnists with

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Speaker 3: The Washington Post, author of Chaos under Heaven Trumps she

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Speaker 3: The Battle for the twenty first Century. Josh, welcome, How

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Speaker 3: are you.

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Speaker 2: Great? I mean, the world is terrible shape, but it

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Speaker 2: personal I'm just doing okay.

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Speaker 5: Thing that's good to hear. When the horrible news broke

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Speaker 5: on Sunday, what you called a brazen escalation. Even though

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Speaker 5: it was the one hundred and sixtieth attack we've had

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Speaker 5: death of three soldiers and bad injuries for dozens of others.

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Speaker 5: And I started reading your twitter feed. I see your

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Speaker 5: Washington Post column today about Iran's proxy forces are teaming

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Speaker 5: up to attack Americans. So why did we I've been

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Speaker 5: reading your Twitter feed, So I want you to explain

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Speaker 5: this to our listeners. Why were we where we were

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Speaker 5: there in Jordan? What were we doing? Who attacked us?

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Speaker 5: Who was it that attacked us? Before we get to

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Speaker 5: some solutions right now.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a.

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Speaker 2: Perfect place to start, because I think most Americans when

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Speaker 2: they heard that three US troops were in northeast Jordan,

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Speaker 2: their first reaction was like, what are three US troops

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Speaker 1: Northeast right exactly?

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's it's actually really important that they

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Speaker 2: be there. They're fighting isis they're stopping Iranian proliferation, and

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Speaker 2: they're protecting the civilians there from all sorts of manner

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Speaker 2: of horrendousness. Now, it's not a combat role, you know,

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Speaker 2: they shouldn't be really in any danger.

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Speaker 1: But the reason that they are.

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Speaker 2: One big reason that they are is because the Iranian

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Speaker 2: government and its procties have been ramping up the harassment

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Speaker 2: this incident shows us. And that doesn't mean we need

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Speaker 2: to go to war with Iran right away, doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: it's very clear now that after one hundred and fifty attacks,

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Speaker 2: whatever we thought we were, whatever the US government thought

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Speaker 2: it was doing the turn of those attacks ain't working okay,

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Speaker 2: because the attacks are getting worse, not better, and the

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Speaker 2: not an unfair discussion to have, But there's there now.

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Speaker 2: They're in harms way right now, They're getting attacked right now,

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Speaker 5: If it got worse, you could only imagine, well, who

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Speaker 5: are the attackers you explain how there's several different militia

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Speaker 2: Right, So you have to understand that this like you know,

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Speaker 2: what's going on is that you know, all of these

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Speaker 1: You really don't want to attack the US or it

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Speaker 1: doesn't a matter if it's only two hundred US troops.

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Speaker 2: That's like two thousand or twenty thousand troops from any

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Speaker 2: other countries. We have got the best soldiers in the world,

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Speaker 1: Stop the fighting in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: But if you ask the US troops on the ground,

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Speaker 1: Permission to really go after them the way that they

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Speaker 2: And again, I'm not saying we need to attack Iran.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even saying we need to go attack inside

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Speaker 2: it Bran. But these are bad guys who are killing Americans,

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Speaker 2: not to mention Syrians and Iraqis and anyone else who

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Speaker 1: I think they've.

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Speaker 2: Earned a more forceful response to the United States, and

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Speaker 2: I think that's what we're gonna see.

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Speaker 1: We just don't have seen. Again, we just don't know

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Speaker 3: I think it's pretty much self evident that our choices

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Speaker 3: not like this is some sort of new military doctrine

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Speaker 3: I've cooked up in the last forty eight hours. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's ancient wisdom, and I think, you know, barring some

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Speaker 3: there's no reason to question the ancient wisdom? Am I?

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Speaker 3: Am I being a belligerent talk show host there, Josh.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean again, I guess it's easy for us

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Speaker 1: To kill them first.

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Speaker 2: Again, there's the debate is whether or not we should

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Speaker 2: killing Iranians leaders inside of run. Yeah, that could get

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Speaker 1: It really couldn't be much more simple than that.

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Speaker 3: Hey tell me if I'm overrating this, because I don't

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Speaker 3: want to be guilty of grossly oversimplifying anything. But when

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Speaker 3: the Trump administration took out Solamani, which was unquestionably an

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Speaker 3: these guys are serious. We're going to show our righteous

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Speaker 3: don't want it to escalate. They showed their true colors.

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Speaker 2: Then, all right, Well, I think a couple of things.

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Speaker 2: So one is that they killed two Americans in March

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Speaker 2: So they did kill too Americans.

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Speaker 1: That's that, we can't forget that.

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Speaker 2: But what was interesting is that after that Mike Pompeo,

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Speaker 2: showed restraint. You know, every one sinks Trump is going

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Speaker 2: Actually he pulled us back now right or wrong. That

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Speaker 1: We would definitely win.

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Speaker 2: But you know, there is a need to show the

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Speaker 2: But I think the Trump example shows that, you know,

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Speaker 2: And you know, letting these attacks just continue to continue

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't. I didn't mean to make this about

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Speaker 2: Right, because in the end, they're going to push us

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Speaker 2: this is the same game that all.

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Speaker 1: Of our enemies play, whether it's.

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Speaker 1: And when they do test us, if we don't respond,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think basically your core assumption is right,

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Speaker 1: Because they would.

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Speaker 2: Definitely lose, that would be the end of their regime.

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Speaker 1: And they're not suicidal. They're evil, they're just not suicidal.

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Speaker 5: So I can't get over your description of that area

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Speaker 5: something you'd see on the Mandalorian with all these armed

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Speaker 5: that sort of thing. But I had a brother who

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Speaker 5: they're not gonna be It's unlikely they're going to be

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: And you know I'm not just you know, barking for

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Speaker 1: You know, I talked to the troops on the ground,

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Speaker 1: the commanders on the ground. They're in the.

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Speaker 2: Best position to know how to keep themselves thick. What

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Speaker 2: people who are trying to kill them, that's what they say.

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Speaker 2: But you know, in the Bid administration, everything is run

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Speaker 2: out of the White House. If they want to strike

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Speaker 2: get the House stamp of approval, and that that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: You know, they have to be proactive, they have to

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Speaker 2: is that if they're going to get bombed by some

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Speaker 2: sort of like crazy Irani and militia. So I think

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Speaker 2: we just need to trust these troops for and what

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Speaker 2: we also have to give them credit. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of people in this country who are like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, these troops are not doing any good over there. No,

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Speaker 2: they're doing a lot of good.

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Speaker 1: They're doing the.

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Speaker 2: Things that we want our military to do. They're helping people,

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Speaker 2: they're protecting us from terrorism, they're supporting our enemies plans

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Speaker 2: to control the region. And it is like you said,

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Speaker 2: it's a non combat role. They really shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Be be getting attacked.

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Speaker 2: And it's only because we've forgotten how important it is

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Speaker 2: to protect those troops and give them the authority to

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Speaker 2: protect themselves that we're in this situation in the first place.

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Speaker 3: Josh, I know, asking people to get into the prediction

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Speaker 3: game is always you know, fraught and a little jiv.

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Speaker 3: But if you were to dabble, what do you expect

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Speaker 2: Well, so let me first start with the next several months,

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Speaker 2: because I think that the war in Gaza and the

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Speaker 2: think that's partially because of our strategy, is also partially

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Speaker 2: closer and closer to the election, it's to the incentive

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Speaker 2: of all of our enemies to make things a lot

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Speaker 2: more difficult for us. So that's a sort of a

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Speaker 2: mid to long term prediction that's not that good. Over

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Speaker 2: the next two days, I fingers crossed, we're gonna hopefully

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Speaker 2: American troops. I wish we'd get that decision pretty soon.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what they're waiting for. The plans must

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Speaker 5: That's what I was saying yesterday. You can't tell me

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Speaker 5: you need to draw plans. You didn't have any plans

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Speaker 5: during the previous several months when we're getting attacked every day.

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Speaker 2: I never met a military commander deployed them released who

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Speaker 2: didn't have a plan to kill the people who are

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Speaker 2: moment that, you know, again, empower the people who are

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Speaker 2: be the guiding force here. I just don't think we

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Speaker 2: see that, you know, I just I just don't think

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Speaker 2: this administration. Again. You could kind of understand they don't

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Speaker 2: want to pour fuel on an already raging fire. But

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Speaker 2: how's that working out? You know, it's been four months

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Speaker 2: and it's only getting worse and worse. And their strategy,

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Speaker 2: to be honest, I think what the strategy was was, oh,

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Speaker 2: we'll get the Israelis to end the warren Doza, and

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Speaker 2: that'll you know, allow the Iranians and the harassment.

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Speaker 1: Of US troops and places like Jordan.

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Speaker 2: But that's not happening either, Okay, So like it or not,

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Speaker 2: this thing's gonna get worse before it gets better.

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Speaker 1: So we might as well be on the right side

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Speaker 1: of that.

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Speaker 3: Josh Rogan Global Opinion's Calmness for The Washington Post, Josh

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Speaker 3: saw was great. You're the best.

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Speaker 2: Thanks anytime.