1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Conversations on life, style, beauty and relationships. It's The Velvet's 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson. 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: All Right, if you guys haven't heard about glp ones, 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 2: which are weight drugs, weight loss drugs like ozimpic, I 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: would say you're probably living under a rock. Many people 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: have seen these life changing weight loss from these drugs, 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: but there's also a lot of people who are skeptical, 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: and I can be included in that, as you know, 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: what is the longevity of this situation, what are the 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 2: side effects? And once again, are we just throwing a 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: pill at something that seems to be rooted in a 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: deeper issue. So I figured I would bring an expert on. 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: It's the beginning of the year. I always love to 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: do these deep dives so we can set our intentions 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: for the year. So doctor Alexandra Soa is here. 16 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 3: Hi, Doctor Soa, Hi, thank you so much for having me. 17 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: So I wanted to first and foremost just give listeners. 18 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: Like I said, if you haven't heard of ozimpic, I 19 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: mean you even brought up to me earlier before we 20 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: started the podcast about the Golden Globes last night, and 21 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: then immediately there's a joke made about Oh, look at 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: all the ozembic faces. It's a huge thing happening in 23 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: our society. So if you haven't heard of it, it 24 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: would be crazy. But if someone hasn't, can you just 25 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: say tell the listeners, what is a GLP one? 26 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 3: Yes? 27 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 4: So my book is called the ozembic Revolution because we've 28 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 4: kind of come to lump all of these drugs under 29 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 4: the name ozempic, but really we're talking about GLP one drugs. 30 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 4: And GLP one is a hormone that occurs in the body, 31 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 4: and it has to do with hunger and satiety. 32 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 3: Regulation and fat storage. 33 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 4: And we've now figured out a way to make it 34 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 4: and actually make it lasts longer than it does in 35 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 4: our body, and it's become a very effective tool for 36 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 4: blood sugar management, weight management, and now we're getting even 37 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 4: more indications about how it's helping. So GLP one medications 38 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 4: they mimic a hormone that naturally occurs in the body, 39 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 4: and that hormone acts all over our body. But really 40 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 4: the three big ways that it works our brain, gut, 41 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 4: and pancreas at the level of blood sugar. So we've 42 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 4: had weight management tools before, and we were practicing this 43 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 4: field long before these weekly injectibles came to fruition, but 44 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 4: we've never had anything quite as effective, and that's why 45 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 4: we're all talking about it, because for the first time ever, 46 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 4: we have a weight management tool that's non surgical, that's 47 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 4: helping people lose incredible amounts of weight, upwards of twenty 48 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 4: five percent or more of their total mind weight. 49 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 3: So that's what it is. 50 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned blood sugar. Weren't these drugs created initially 51 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: to help with diabetes. 52 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 4: Yes, and they've actually been on the market since two 53 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 4: thousand and five this type of medication, first for type 54 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 4: two diabetes management, and then actually about ten eleven years ago, 55 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 4: we had our first drug to market in this class 56 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 4: for weight management. 57 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 3: So we've had them around for a while. 58 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 4: That's a misconception and people say, oh, they're just brand new, 59 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 4: they're not. Yes, the science was looking for a better 60 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 4: answer for blood sugar management other than insulin, which has 61 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 4: a whole host of complications, and we were able to 62 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 4: find that and with new iterations of the drug they've 63 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 4: gotten more effective, and along the way we realized actually 64 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 4: there is an independent weight management effect. 65 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 3: And then now we've discovered other. 66 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 4: Independent factors like management for sleep apnea and cardiovascular and 67 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 4: kidney protection. But yes, it did start with blood sugar. 68 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: We mentioned the book it's called the ozembic Revolution, and 69 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: we will get to that a little bit more. But 70 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: why do you think now, so if this drug has 71 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: been around forever, why are we seeing this massive uptick 72 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: in the use of things like a zimpic. 73 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's actually very clearly linked to when 74 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: this drug. So, as I mentioned, it's been out for 75 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 4: a while, but with every new iteration of it, it's 76 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 4: gotten more active. And the first drug that we had 77 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 4: to market for weight management, sex Senda, was a daily 78 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 4: injectible and it's weight loss percentages were okay, about ten percent. 79 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 4: With the advent of ozepic, which was a weekly injectible, 80 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 4: which makes it a lot easier for people to take 81 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 4: a one time a week shot versus a daily shot, 82 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 4: that one puts it in its new class. And secondly, 83 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 4: it just became a lot more effective at both blood 84 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 4: sugar management and weight management, so we were starting to 85 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 4: see fifteen percent total body weight. And then the newest 86 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 4: iterations of the drug, which are two hormone agonists, so 87 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 4: two types of hormones are in it, Minjaro or zep bound, 88 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 4: we see up boards of twenty three to twenty five 89 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 4: percent total body weight loss. So that's what's happened, is 90 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 4: that kind of with every new drug release, they've gotten 91 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 4: better ways to give the drug and just even more efficacious. 92 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: So that's what we're starting to see also. 93 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 4: So I will tell you I think the Creator economy, 94 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 4: I think TikTok and Instagram over the past few years 95 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 4: have really shifted the way that people are talking about 96 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 4: weight management and obesity. 97 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 3: I was screaming. 98 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 4: From the rooftops for years that this is a disease, 99 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 4: we have tools to treat it. 100 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 3: And people would be like, look at me, like. 101 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 4: I was crazy, and I got I don't know, I 102 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 4: don't know what you're talking about. That sounds like quackery. 103 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 4: And then when these drugs, I know, something magical happen. 104 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 4: Like with this availability of people to share their story 105 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 4: and people feeling empowered to share their story, people went 106 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 4: from being kind of very very private about these journeys. 107 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 4: I've even seen this in my practice. People are like, 108 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 4: I don't want anyone to. 109 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 3: Know I'm on these medications too. 110 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 4: I'm going to share it and I want everyone to know, 111 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 4: and I'm going to be so proud that I'm on 112 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 4: these injections and I'm going to share the highs and 113 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 4: the lows and create a whole community out of it. 114 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 4: So I really do think that that's another big part 115 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 4: of the cultural shift, is people's willingness to share and 116 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 4: embrace that this is a disease and I'm not to 117 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 4: blame here and I'm not going to take on the 118 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 4: shame anymore. I'm using a tool to treat my disease, 119 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 4: and i want other people to embrace that too. 120 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: I want to get to that disease point, because we 121 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: were talking a little bit about that before the podcast, 122 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 2: and your book was very helpful to me and understanding 123 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: a bigger aspect of obesity than I've ever actually even 124 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 2: considered personally. But you just kind of mentioned something that 125 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: I thought was so interesting about the sharing and all 126 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: of that stuff, and I was thinking, right, well, I've 127 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: seen a million fad diets and like the weight loss 128 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: surgeries like you mentioned, throughout my lifetime. You remember the 129 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: days of like Atkins and all of those things, and 130 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: people were seeing massive weight loss from those kind of things, 131 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: but they felt very temporary in a way, or something 132 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: that wasn't able to be maintained. 133 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 4: So why is this different, Because this is getting to 134 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 4: the bottom of the biology component, and so you had. 135 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 3: Spoken a little bit about it. At my book. 136 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 4: It's a user guide to these medications, so it's how 137 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 4: can people be successful on them? 138 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: But before we get. 139 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 4: To that, I explain about the biology of weight gain 140 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 4: and why it is so hard to often lose weight 141 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,119 Speaker 4: on your own, and why the mantra of eat less 142 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,119 Speaker 4: exercise more it's a good way to start your life 143 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 4: and to prevent it doesn't really work once we've gotten 144 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 4: to a place of metabolic dysfunction, and obesity really is 145 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 4: a disease. Once excess weight comes on, it is very 146 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: very hard to get off and sometimes we and I 147 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 4: talk about this actually in the book, about how low 148 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 4: carbon kytosis can be an effective way to get to 149 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 4: kind of fix some of the hormones that have become 150 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 4: dysregulated when we put on weight. The problem is is 151 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 4: that we as a society and as a species aren't 152 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: really made to just eliminate whole elements of our diet 153 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 4: long long term. And I believe in particular targeted diet interventions. 154 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 4: I do, and I really do think that whole foods 155 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 4: is the absolute best way, and sometimes I will put 156 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 4: people on low carb and I believe in it. The 157 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 4: problem is, and I've seen this over the course of 158 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 4: my career, is that at year three, maybe even sooner, 159 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 4: people just get very tired of it, and the hormones 160 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 4: start to outweigh and like, talk to you more. The 161 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 4: hormones in your brain say I'm hungry. I don't want 162 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 4: to do this anymore. You can't do this anymore. And 163 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 4: what's so different about these medications is that these medications 164 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 4: are getting to the crux of the metabolic dysfunction and 165 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 4: helping fix them, and they are fixing our behaviors and 166 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 4: our brain too. They give people the ability to take 167 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 4: a pause and do the work that they knew that 168 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 4: they might have needed to do. But we're just unable 169 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 4: to And we don't need as strict of food dietary intervention, 170 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 4: So we don't need to eliminate whole food groups. Now 171 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 4: we need to eat very well. And that's like the 172 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 4: second tenet of my books, a whole nutrition plan, but 173 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 4: it's you're. 174 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 3: Able to kind of just live a little bit. 175 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 4: More normally and not as strict on these medications. Because 176 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 4: the medication is even more powerful than our ability to 177 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 4: restrict that we would be able to achieve just through 178 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 4: diet alone. And the evidence on these medications is so 179 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 4: strong for long term sustained weight loss, far beyond what 180 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 4: we can see with short term fixes through diet and exercise. Now, 181 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 4: there are people who are listening to this, or people say, 182 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 4: I know somebody. Yes, as a population, we are on 183 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 4: a big old bell curve and their outliers on both sides, 184 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 4: and so yes, five ten percent of people will be 185 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 4: able to keep off weight through diet and exercise alone, 186 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 4: But that leaves about ninety plus percent who are unable to. 187 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 4: And this medication has become the tool to override all 188 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 4: of the hormones that have gone haywire due to the 189 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 4: environment we are living in. 190 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, which is a whole other conversation. Obviously, especially in 191 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: our country, it feels like we really aren't set up 192 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: to live a healthy lifestyle and that be affordable or 193 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: things like that, like you really have to make a 194 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: conscious effort. At the beginning of your book, you state 195 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: obesity is a fact of biology. And it kind of 196 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: hit me because, and I'm sure this may sound ignorant 197 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: to some, but I've always been thin, you know, like 198 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: that is how I've was born. I came into this 199 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 2: world very long and lean, and I've been very active 200 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: and my parents both eat very healthy, so I grew 201 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 2: up just like living that way. And so I've never 202 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: personally struggled with obesity. So it is hard for me 203 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: to go, well, we get off your couch or eat better, 204 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: you know, like that is a mentality that I've had before, 205 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: and I mean, I hate thinking that now, but it's 206 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: hard for me to sometimes have empathy for that because 207 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: I've never gone through it personally. But your book was 208 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: stating it so clearly to me, of like, no, there's 209 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: way more to it than just you have to go 210 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 2: exercise or you have to eat better for a lot 211 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 2: of people. So are you seeing that a lot where 212 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: there's these people who just cannot relate and so they're 213 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: kind of hating on these perspectives, and then the people 214 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 2: who are struggling with it really finding some finally finding 215 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: a voice for Hey, I've struggled and I've tried the 216 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: diets and I've tried the exercise. I need something more. 217 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 4: Yes, thank you for sharing that, because I think it's 218 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 4: not something we want to admit, but all of us 219 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 4: are getting me as an obesity medicine doctor. We all 220 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 4: carry some element of weight bias. It's inherent to how 221 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 4: we came to be in this world, right, It's just 222 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 4: it's very, very hard. And when we are. 223 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 3: Lean and I actually love the ucacity. 224 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 4: It came out long and lean. Lean is actually the 225 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 4: word we should be after it's it's. 226 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 3: It's a leanness. 227 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 4: It's not a skinniness, right, it's a fit. It's a fitness. Yeah, 228 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 4: and you have done things in your life to hold 229 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 4: on to that. But also probably genetically you were set 230 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 4: up for it and then environmentally and epigenetically you were 231 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 4: set up for it. So if your parents were fit, 232 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 4: you know, actually a mother passes on just even by 233 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 4: proxy of in utero children that are born to parents 234 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 4: of obesity. If a mother has bariatric surgery in between 235 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 4: her first few children and her second children, the children 236 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 4: after bariatric surgery, after weight loss, will have a lower 237 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 4: incidence of obesity growing up, maybe though they're raised in 238 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 4: the same household with the same genes. 239 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 2: I believe it. 240 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 3: I do. 241 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, So you know, some of us are fortunate. I 242 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 4: come from a family where. 243 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: You know, probably let's go back. Let's go back to 244 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: a little bit fregand family like womens. 245 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 4: But up until the nineteen forties, we still had pay 246 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 4: people in this world who had obesity about ten percent. 247 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 3: And that's genetics. 248 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 4: And I was going to say, I come from one 249 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 4: of those families, right, I just come from a family 250 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 4: that are hardier. They're not the long and lean, they're 251 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 4: the short and hardy. And that's genetics. But what's happened 252 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 4: is that something around nineteen eighty we just started seeing 253 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 4: this obesity rise, rise, rise, rise, And that has to 254 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 4: do with our environment and the world around us, and 255 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 4: some genetics could outsmart that. 256 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 3: Right. 257 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 4: And now we're not saying that your genetics kept up 258 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 4: in one or two generations, but you were just kind 259 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 4: of primed and ready to be able to keep hold 260 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 4: on to the leanness. But so many others just could 261 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 4: not handle the insults that came at them, right, the 262 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 4: high fructose corn syrup that start to creep into your 263 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 4: apple sauce at eighteen months true? Right, the fact that 264 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 4: we don't aren't set up in urban environments. We get 265 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 4: to walk a lot. 266 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 3: I even live in an. 267 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 4: Area where my kids should be able to bike, but 268 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 4: it's too dangerous for them to bike, and I can't 269 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 4: let them do that into town because our town was 270 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 4: not planned, you know like that. And so there is 271 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 4: a lot of sedentary behavior. We sit at a computer, 272 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 4: we are just the world has exploded in technology, but 273 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 4: then that's made us just beings that just sit still. 274 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 3: You know. 275 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 4: Even this is so fascinating, even the fact that we're 276 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 4: temperature controlled now we have ac and heat and we 277 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 4: don't shiver and we don't sweat. 278 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: Oh, that's interesting. I never thought of that. 279 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 4: Has impacted our waking over the last fifty years. 280 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: That makes total sense. 281 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 4: And so there are the subset of people, that's the 282 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 4: majority of Americans now, whose bodies and environments and the 283 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 4: life that they were given and the life that then 284 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 4: they modeled for themselves has not allowed them to hold 285 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 4: on to where our bodies should be. And it becomes 286 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 4: very very hard to lose the weight once it's come on. 287 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 4: And I am not saying that environment and food and 288 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 4: nutrition and lifestyle aren't important, but the problem is obesity 289 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 4: is a disease that has a downstream effect of so 290 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 4: many other diseases. And we have an opportunity right now 291 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 4: with this medication to say, Okay, we can treat this 292 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 4: right now, and we can prevent all this other stuff 293 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 4: is going to come over the. 294 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: Next forty years. 295 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 4: And while we do this, we should take the time 296 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 4: and the space and the money that we save from 297 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 4: preventing all these diseases to figure out how we can 298 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 4: undo what we've done over the past fifty years for 299 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 4: the world that we've created for ourselves. 300 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 3: And so I don't. 301 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 4: Look as this medication as the magic wand that solves everything. 302 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 4: I see it as a tool for right now to 303 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 4: manage the disease that's in front of us and allows 304 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 4: us to kind of have this trickle down effect in 305 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 4: our families, our homes, our grocery stores. 306 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 3: And our urban centers and you know, just. 307 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 4: Everything, and we can start to unravel and get back 308 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 4: to where we were in the nineteen seventies. 309 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 3: It's not that long ago. We should be able to get. 310 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: Back there completely. And I do think the conversation that's 311 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: encouraging to me, as well as seeing people who are 312 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: directly impacted by taking things like this, are that on 313 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: the bigger scale, we're starting to look at what's in 314 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: our food, what are we eating all of those things 315 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: that you kind of touched on, I think are coming 316 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: into the conversation. They're entering the chat right now, So 317 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: it's perfect timing for both of these things to be 318 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: happening exactly. 319 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 4: I do think we have to be careful that I 320 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 4: have seen a rising contingency that we can treat the 321 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:42,239 Speaker 4: obesity by changing, by fixing our food source, our food ecosystem, 322 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 4: and our monment ecosystem. That's prevention. We need to put 323 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 4: all the energy there. Treatment is different than prevention. And 324 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 4: in no other disease do we look at prevention and 325 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 4: treatment as the same. But for some reason obesity I do. 326 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 4: And so if for any listeners were like yeah, yeah, 327 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 4: and we could no, we have to do both in 328 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 4: order to stop the disease. 329 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 3: We have to prevent. 330 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 4: That's changing, that's taking the chemicals out, that's improving our 331 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 4: food system, it's improving the quality of the air. 332 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 3: It's all the things that you were talking about. 333 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, treatment is different, and that's why these medications are 334 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 4: so revolutionary. Yeah, and that's why it's so important for 335 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 4: me to write this book because we have an opportunity 336 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 4: right now. Now. The mets aren't a magic wand you 337 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 4: have to do all the other work. 338 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 3: And if you do all the other work. 339 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 4: Change the habits, change your food, change your mental the 340 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 4: way you think about these things, exercise, well, then you're 341 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 4: really laying the groundwork to change to trickle down for 342 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 4: that prevention too. 343 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 3: So like you're. 344 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 4: Changing the way you're doing it in your house, and 345 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 4: your kids are going to see a different modeling behavior, 346 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 4: you are changing the way you're exercising your community, and 347 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 4: then it spreads. So in the treatment, we can also prevent, 348 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 4: but it's important that we do all the work and 349 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 4: we don't just rely on the medication to have this 350 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 4: effect because it won't. 351 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I love that that kind of two 352 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 2: different perspective, I guess is the word I was looking 353 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: for those two different things, the prevention versus the treatment, 354 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,719 Speaker 2: because in my head, I think I have wanted the 355 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 2: prevention to be the treatment for people. And that's I 356 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: mean in what you're saying in the book is like 357 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 2: there's a lot more to it and the science behind 358 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 2: why that isn't just something that can be You can't 359 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 2: use the tools of prevention if you need to treat 360 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: the disease first. So this is medicine to treat the disease, 361 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 2: and then you go into prevention, which you talk about 362 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: in the book as well. You've actually created an entire 363 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 2: method and it's called this so Well method. It's talked 364 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: about a lot in the book. That was huge for 365 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 2: me too, because one of my biggest problems with our 366 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: society is I feel like we throw a pill at everything. 367 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 2: I'm just like, when nobody looks at the root causes. 368 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: We want the easy fix. I mean, I've been guilty 369 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 2: of it too, especially I suffer with sleep issues, and 370 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: so I'm always like trying not to take a pill, 371 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: but I need to sleep, you know. It's all of 372 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 2: those things. And so I think it's the same thing 373 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: here where I just don't want to see our society 374 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: throw another pill at something. And so seeing this method 375 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 2: that you've created and that you're talking about in the 376 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 2: book was very reassuring to me that there's more to 377 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: this story. Can you tell the listeners a little bit 378 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: about the Sowell method and what your point of it 379 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: even is. 380 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 3: Thank you. Yes. 381 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 4: So, over the past ten years in my medical practice, 382 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 4: I never felt great. 383 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 3: I never felt great about just treating the disease. And 384 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: there's so much more to it. 385 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 4: And even though I found this amazing specialty that allowed 386 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 4: me to help prevent so many other diseases, I never 387 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 4: felt good about just writing a prescription. I needed people 388 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 4: to understand why I was having them do certain things 389 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 4: and why we were using the medication, and I needed 390 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 4: them to fully embrace the habit and all of the 391 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 4: lifestyle changes that needed to go along. So I actually 392 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 4: created a ten week curriculum in my medical practice, and 393 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 4: actually everyone has to go through this, and it worked 394 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 4: so amazingly well that I put it. It was the 395 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 4: whole reason I wanted to write this book. I thought this, 396 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 4: No other doctors are doing it this way. It's really 397 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 4: we're limited. Most medical practices are very limited by this. 398 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 4: And so I distilled down what we had been teaching 399 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 4: in our medical practice into this book. And it's just 400 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 4: so well method. And there are three core tenants. We 401 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 4: have our habit foundations, our nutritional foundations, and then our 402 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 4: mental foundations habits. You've probably heard some of these things before. 403 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 4: They're very different when you do them through the lens 404 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 4: of a GLP one, though, so things that might have 405 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 4: felt like just tearing down your will power, you know, 406 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 4: even stepping on the scale is one of the core 407 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 4: habits about how what I have people do logging your food, 408 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 4: not for courting every calorie, but just thinking about your food, 409 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 4: thinking about your hunger scale, thinking about what you're putting 410 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 4: into your mouth. Right, You're like, oh, I've heard this doctor, 411 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 4: soa this is like this seems so basic. It's very 412 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 4: very different when you have this new found willpower for 413 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 4: lack of a better word, with these medications, and it 414 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 4: helps you rewire what's become so disregulated in your brain 415 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 4: and your habits. We kind of have to go back 416 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 4: to the foundations. And one of the ways that I 417 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 4: approach this is really being emotionally neutral, and it's something 418 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 4: we talk about in the book a lot is that 419 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 4: we're trying to take out beating oneself up, feeling like 420 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 4: we're not good enough, and just looking at this as 421 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 4: a process and being as emotionally neutral as possible so 422 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 4: that I always help people the habits I want them 423 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 4: to become, like brushing your teeth right, just something you do, 424 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 4: something you don't have to think too much about, and 425 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 4: if you skip it, you don't like not brush your 426 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 4: teeth the next day, you just get. 427 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 3: Back to it right, right, And move. 428 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 4: Into how to eat, and this is always the thing 429 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 4: that people will right up top. Everyone comes to my 430 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 4: first visit with me or the first class and they're like, 431 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 4: tell me how to eat, and I'll say not so fast, 432 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 4: Like you have to embrace the habits first. 433 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. 434 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 4: I can tell anybody to go on any particular diet 435 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 4: and if they adhered to it, they would lose weight. 436 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 4: I mean, that's actually what the science shows. So really 437 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 4: it has to be about how can you do. 438 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 3: This for the long term. So then we move into nutrition. 439 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 4: I have some very very clear tenants of how to 440 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: eat when you're on a GOP one. It's different than 441 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 4: how our brain was programmed to kind of be calorie reduced. 442 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 4: We actually need to really hyper focus on getting in 443 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 4: the proper nutrition through macronutrients. So we'll go through that 444 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 4: in the book. And then we move through what I 445 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 4: think is the most important but potentially the most overlooked 446 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 4: component of significant weight loss, which is the mental piece. 447 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 4: Our brains will talk us out of success, and we 448 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,239 Speaker 4: see this at all parts of our life. Right we 449 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 4: start to get imposter syndrome that this isn't going to work. 450 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 3: I can't do it. 451 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 4: Or you make all sorts of excuses. Your brain will 452 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 4: do these weird things sabotage you. We really see it 453 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 4: in weight Boss, And I've worked with so many patients 454 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 4: over so many years on these medications. 455 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 3: I've realized that most people. 456 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 4: Everyone thinks that they're very unique, but really we're all 457 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 4: humans and most people have the same experiences. So we'll 458 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 4: talk about things like the ten pound panic, and practically 459 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 4: every single one of my patients on these medications will 460 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 4: freak out at ten pounds and I'll be why, like, 461 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 4: this isn't going to work. 462 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 3: I've done this before. 463 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 4: I know it's not going to work. 464 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 3: This was a bad idea. I don't know what to do. 465 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: Say trust the process, trust the foundations. Keep going. 466 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 4: And then we'll get to a place where a colleague 467 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 4: or a coworker. 468 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 3: Says something and they'll say, did you see that headline? 469 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 4: You're going to die right or they'll start to think 470 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 4: I'm taking the easy way out. Some belief that they've 471 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 4: held on to for a long period of time. Time 472 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 4: will come up at some point in the future, and 473 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 4: so working on your brain is really really important, and 474 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 4: I actually ask people to spend a lot of time 475 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 4: there because it's the thing that will derail people in 476 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 4: the six months, twelve months, two years out of their 477 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 4: initial weight loss. They'll think everything's great, and actually then 478 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 4: their brain starts to do some funny things. And I 479 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 4: give people cognitive new scripts, so like, yeah, they have 480 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 4: a belief, and then we have to rewire it. And 481 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 4: so I'll give you examples of what you can do 482 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 4: to kind of get past that. Anybody who's listening and 483 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 4: is like, I know exactly what you're talking about. I've 484 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 4: lost a lot of weight and no one's ever put 485 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 4: it like that, But it's it's it's something that's universal 486 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 4: to this process. I think it's universal to the human 487 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 4: experience and one percent, but it just it rears its head. 488 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 4: And so that's fundamentally what we teach, and I've just 489 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 4: stilled it into this book and tried to make it 490 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 4: as easy as possible and really step wise, I'm a 491 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 4: big believer in like one, two, three, four, right, Like 492 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 4: that's how we learn, that's how we adapt, and so 493 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 4: that's how we put it in the book. And we 494 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 4: have lots of templates and worksheets and things that will 495 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 4: help you and give you structure even if you do 496 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 4: just get the prescription at your doctor's office, which honestly 497 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 4: is the way the majority of Americans are getting this 498 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 4: right now, right And you might need to do more 499 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 4: work than someone who comes through my clinic, but it's 500 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 4: all here now, and so if you just follow along, 501 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 4: you will have success. 502 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: The thing that's so fascinating to me and hearing this, 503 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 2: and this was what I found in the book as well, 504 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: is when I start to look at obesity as a 505 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: disease or as a medicator, even as like a way 506 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 2: that someone has learned to survive in life, like as 507 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 2: a survival skill for treating with emotion I mean dealing 508 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: with emotions or stress or anything. It's not different from 509 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 2: anything else that we struggle with in mental health. Like truly, 510 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: I mean everything you were just saying is exactly what 511 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: I think a good therapist does in a way. It's like, 512 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 2: even if you need an antidepressant for a moment, a 513 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 2: good therapist is going to actually go. But let's look 514 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: at what's happening, Like, yes, let's take some of these 515 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 2: emotions down so we can process, and that's why you 516 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: need the medicine, maybe temporarily, but I don't want to 517 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: look not check out what's going on, because our emotions 518 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 2: are talking to us. And that's the same thing here. 519 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 2: It's like those narratives are so deeply ingrained and programmed, 520 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: like you said, and so all of that rewiring. It's 521 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 2: the same thing that anyone trying to make any sort 522 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 2: of lasting change in their life actually has to do. 523 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 2: So I just I just love that you're making those connections. 524 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 2: I think that's so beautiful. And I think from a 525 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: perspective like mine, where it's not something I've personally dealt with, 526 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 2: I'm easily able to relate that to many things that 527 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: I do deal with in my life. I love that 528 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 2: you pointed out the terminal uniqueness that we all feel. 529 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I think we all are, like I'm so 530 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 2: much more fucked up than the other person. You know, 531 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: none of us are. It's just like we really just 532 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 2: have different ways of coping with life, and so what 533 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 2: is your way and how do we get in touch 534 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 2: with that? And this is the deeper way to look 535 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 2: at weight loss. I'm such a big fan. I just 536 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 2: love that you're doing this work. I think it's so 537 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 2: amazing and wonderful. The book actually comes out January seventh, 538 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: so when this podcast airs, it will be out, so 539 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 2: I'll be able to put the link for all the listeners. 540 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: She's holding it up. Friend, it's a cue cover as well, 541 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 2: but it's just a good guide. I told you. My 542 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,479 Speaker 2: co host on my Friday episodes has chip for any 543 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: of you listeners. He's been on a zembic for a while. 544 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 2: But the biggest thing that I've seen for him, even emotionally, 545 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 2: is that he's really leaned into like I'm going to 546 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 2: start taking care of myself through this though, Like he's 547 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: adopted a new diet. He's actually really cut back and 548 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 2: possibly quitting drinking like things that you know, he's really 549 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 2: taking pride in his health at this point. He's working 550 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: out a lot, and that to me, I've seen the 551 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 2: biggest shift in him that I've ever seen over the 552 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: course of our relationships. So I think it's a part 553 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: of this whole program like you're talking about. 554 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 4: Yes, it's a powerful, powerful tool, and it really gives 555 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 4: people the bandwidth. Really I think quiets their brain in 556 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 4: many ways so that they can do the work. And 557 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 4: you know, just like you were sharing, this is about health. 558 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 4: I mean, all those things are telling me that's like 559 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 4: the most amazing health journey. I mean, I'm sure his 560 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 4: labs have improved and his future profiles, like everything he's 561 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 4: doing day to day, that is just you're building this 562 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 4: up for longevity, and it's really important that we don't 563 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 4: confuse the use of this medication on the health side 564 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 4: and longevity for Vanity and thinness, because it has the 565 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 4: potential to do that, but that's not going to make 566 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 4: for a healthier human and a healthier experience. It's really 567 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 4: when we need this for very specific use case scenarios 568 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 4: and it's powerful and I love that example. 569 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, if people want to keep up with you 570 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: anywhere else besides the book, where can they find you? 571 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 4: So you can find me on social media at Alexandra 572 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 4: so at m D and you can find more about 573 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 4: me and the company I've started at getsowell dot com. 574 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 4: We are at telehealth practice, but we also provide for 575 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 4: for oh my goodness, we provide support tools for a 576 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 4: TLP one users. I've been talking all day interviewed. We 577 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 4: are the go to brand for GLP one users. We 578 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 4: have a whole support system to help people everything from 579 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 4: the book to the toolkits to actually supplements to help 580 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 4: minimize side effects. So I'm on a mission to help 581 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 4: people feel their absolute best while they're on these medications 582 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 4: so they can achieve the most amount of health benefits. 583 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 4: So come over and connect with me on all those places. 584 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: Amazing. I'm going to put all of that in the 585 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 2: description of this podcast and also a link to where 586 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: you guys can find the book. Highly recommend it. It's 587 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: really easy to read, even like I just very quickly 588 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: read through it because it's such a fast read. But 589 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 2: it's full of information, diet plans, all of that stuff. 590 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 2: So you guys go get the book. Thank you so 591 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: much for being here. 592 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Kelly. 593 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: Thanks were listening to the Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson, 594 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: where we believe everyone has a little velvet in a 595 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: little edge. Subscribe for more conversations on life, style, beauty, 596 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: and relationships. Search Velvet's Edge wherever you get your podcasts.