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Speaker 1: How's it going everybody? Brian Alvarez here on Wrestling Observer Live.
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Speaker 1: professional wrestling in the Olympic Games. I do, in fact
Speaker 1: think we will have time for that here today. About
Speaker 1: a lot to get into, at the least of which
Speaker 1: is the set. So we talked about the hiring of
Speaker 1: Michael Mansoori from w w E and he was going
Speaker 1: to uh he was going to a w and on
Speaker 1: the Observer radio show on Monday, Dave said we should
Speaker 1: see changes Wednesday. I said, no, it takes a while
Speaker 1: to get these things going chocobut win for me for once.
Speaker 1: These changes will be going to effect at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the year, because in fact, it takes time to
Speaker 1: get your ducks in a row. But we'll tell you
Speaker 1: about that here today. Plus the the numbers for Ring
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Speaker 1: We've got more notes on Sasha Banks and her deal
Speaker 1: with New Japan Pro Wrestling. We've got FTR talking about
Speaker 1: their match with the Briscos, which in fact Dex considers
Speaker 1: his masterpiece. His masterpiece was the dog Color match at
Speaker 1: the Final Battle pay per view, which was a completely
Speaker 1: fantastic match. By the way, the only real argument is
Speaker 1: was it better than the first one they had a
Speaker 1: year ago at Final Battle. It is up for you
Speaker 1: to decide. We've got the Dynamite ratings, Chris Jericho's doing
Speaker 1: a movie, Jonathan Gresham is signed a contract with Impact Wrestling,
Speaker 1: and a lot more to talk about here today as well.
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Speaker 1: talk about the Olympics real quick. Why are you groaning?
Speaker 1: I said we should talk about it real quick and
Speaker 1: give people plenty of time to send me their feedback.
Speaker 1: I want to hear people have to say about this.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna take a long I'm not gonna do
Speaker 1: a full IOC presentation. But essentially we were talking about
Speaker 1: it a little while ago, could you do pro wrestling
Speaker 1: of the Olympics? And I violently shot the idea down,
Speaker 1: and uh you know there there were people that said,
Speaker 1: you know, you could, you could do this, and I
Speaker 1: want to make it abundantly clear. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any chances ever going to happen. Okay, but I I
Speaker 1: decided I was going to do a a what do
Speaker 1: they call it, like, uh no, like a like a game?
Speaker 1: You know, could I could? I argue in favor of
Speaker 1: the possibility of doing a mental exercise your favorite game.
Speaker 1: I need more mental exercises, clearly. So anyway, so I
Speaker 1: thought about this and and you know when I shot
Speaker 1: it down, there were there were a few main reasons.
Speaker 1: Number one is how do you judge these matches? Right,
Speaker 1: That's the obvious thing. You and me do a match,
Speaker 1: Dave and Lance do a match, you know, Vinnie and
Speaker 1: Craig do a match. How do you judge them? Because
Speaker 1: there's so many different styles of wrestling, there's so many
Speaker 1: different things that different people like, So you know, how
Speaker 1: do you do this? And I was thinking about it,
Speaker 1: and obviously you would need competent judges, right, and listen,
Speaker 1: you know, you and me could both watch a match,
Speaker 1: all right, You know I could both watch a match,
Speaker 1: and Vinnie could watch a match as well, and uh,
Speaker 1: we could all think different things about the match. But
Speaker 1: for example, you know m JF and Ricky Starks on Dynamite.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think the three of us would
Speaker 1: watch the match and like one of us would say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, that was five stars, and then one of
Speaker 1: us would say that was no stars. I don't think
Speaker 1: that would happen with us. Okay, but if you've been
Speaker 1: on my timeline. There are people that would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: that match was no stars. I thought it sucked, okay,
Speaker 1: So clearly you would need some competency with your with
Speaker 1: your judges and any other thing. Is is this okay?
Speaker 1: If I watched The Ring of Honor pay per view,
Speaker 1: I think that I could fairly look at all of
Speaker 1: the different styles and and give star ratings for all
Speaker 1: of those, and I think that that I would be
Speaker 1: fair about that. I think Dave would be fair about
Speaker 1: it as well. You know probably you okay, But you know,
Speaker 1: here's the thing with remember mixed You know this, you
Speaker 1: know what mixed martial arts. You know that sport is
Speaker 1: m A a m M A fight. What is the
Speaker 1: ideal way to judge an m m A fight? Well,
Speaker 1: the ideal way would be to get George St. Pierre,
Speaker 1: for example, have him watch a fight and tell you
Speaker 1: which guy won. Okay, that's the best way to actually
Speaker 1: judge the fight. I'm not impressed with his performance. But
Speaker 1: very early on in UFC they actually did that where
Speaker 1: you know who won the fight, you just you pick.
Speaker 1: This did not last, okay, because in a real sport
Speaker 1: you can't just say well who won? There obviously have
Speaker 1: to be criteria. Okay, so what you need is competent judging,
Speaker 1: and then you need like a set of criteria. And
Speaker 1: I was directed to figure skating, and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to read this whole thing here, but if you've ever
Speaker 1: looked at the scoring system for for figure skating, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's five thousand words here about the judging criteria
Speaker 1: for figure skating, and it's the same way for gymnastics
Speaker 1: and other things like that. So I think that what
Speaker 1: you would have to do is you would have every
Speaker 1: country send two people to do a match, okay, and
Speaker 1: you would have to be there, would have to be
Speaker 1: at the beginning like here here the type of match
Speaker 1: that you're gonna do. It doesn't mean you can't have
Speaker 1: Mexico send a lucha libre match, but it shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: You know, you can send a hardcore match, you can
Speaker 1: send a death match. It should be you have to
Speaker 1: send a one on one professional wrestling match. If you
Speaker 1: want to do more high flying in your match, that's fine.
Speaker 1: If you want to do whatever, that's fine, one on
Speaker 1: one pro wrestling match. Who is to decide who is
Speaker 1: professional wrestling? Aren't you wait a second? Hold on? Then
Speaker 1: you're making it more complicated. Okay, Mexico is gonna send
Speaker 1: two guys to do a match. America is gonna say
Speaker 1: two guys to do a match, Japan's gonna send two
Speaker 1: guys to do a match. Whatever. Can you jump off
Speaker 1: the top row? Yeah, you can do that. So so
Speaker 1: what would you you would you would send your your
Speaker 1: two people and there would be there would be certain requirements. Okay.
Speaker 1: One requirement would be the match has to be five minutes.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me you can't do a match in five minutes.
Speaker 1: You can, Okay. One of the best matches I ever
Speaker 1: saw WrestleMania was just over five minutes. It was Goldberg
Speaker 1: and brock Lesner, and that was a masterpiece. You can
Speaker 1: do a five minute match. The requirements in the match
Speaker 1: where that you might here's here's my requirements. If you
Speaker 1: think there's different ones, whatever, I'm just telling you. The
Speaker 1: requirements would be like, you must do a little bit
Speaker 1: of technical wrestling. You must have a shine, you must
Speaker 1: have some heat, you must have a comeback sequence, and
Speaker 1: you must have a finish. Okay, those are the requirements.
Speaker 1: Now what you do during each of those five periods,
Speaker 1: that's up to you. Whatever you want. If you're a
Speaker 1: lucha wrestler, you're obviously gonna do different technical wrestling than
Speaker 1: if you had Zach Saber Jr. In there, or if
Speaker 1: you had Brian Danielson in there. But you showcase your
Speaker 1: technical wrestling, You showcase the shine by a baby face,
Speaker 1: You showcase a heat segment, You showcase a come back
Speaker 1: where both guys are doing their near falls, and then
Speaker 1: you do a finish. Okay, those are the requirements the
Speaker 1: judges to at least take out a little bit of bias.
Speaker 1: The judges should score you on how how good was
Speaker 1: this selling? How how good was it? How good was
Speaker 1: the offense? How good were your transitions when you had
Speaker 1: to go from your your technical wrestling and shine to
Speaker 1: the heat? How was the transition, How was the transition
Speaker 1: from the heat to the comeback? The story of the match.
Speaker 1: Do you have a story where something at beginning played
Speaker 1: into the heat, perhaps which played into the comeback, which
Speaker 1: played into the finish? How was your how was the
Speaker 1: story of the match? And then you get a you
Speaker 1: get how well did you hit your time? Did you
Speaker 1: end in three minutes? Did you go over? How close
Speaker 1: were you And if you have those six things, to
Speaker 1: be scored upon and your five requirements. I think that
Speaker 1: you could fairly judge a series of matches in the Olympics.
Speaker 1: And obviously there would be more to it and everything
Speaker 1: like that, because you know, with sports people, you know,
Speaker 1: they want all these requirements and scoring and blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But I think that with a a
Speaker 1: a basic structure like this and basic requirements and basing
Speaker 1: basic judging criteria, you could do this. Do I think
Speaker 1: they ever will? I think it's highly unlikely. But this
Speaker 1: does take out a lot of different Uh you know
Speaker 1: what if the guy cuts himself, you can't You're not
Speaker 1: allowed to gig. Okay, you're just not. That's one of
Speaker 1: the rules. So I think you can do it. You
Speaker 1: got nothing well, I mean I could have a lot
Speaker 1: to get. You know, shoot bullet holes in this. It
Speaker 1: just depends on how long you want to go with it.
Speaker 1: There's bullet holes, shoot one, shooting one. How do you
Speaker 1: have enough judges that you judge to be and who
Speaker 1: are the ones that are determining the judges to be
Speaker 1: at a level you know, to have the aptitude enough
Speaker 1: to be able to cover all of this? How many
Speaker 1: countries are involved in sending this and sending people over
Speaker 1: to do this. How do you decide what versions of
Speaker 1: pro ussing to eliminate? Okay, so there's not going to
Speaker 1: be hardcore, is they're going to be you know, shoot style,
Speaker 1: glacial style, all of these things. And then you have
Speaker 1: the problem who's going to watch any of this stuff?
Speaker 1: And when it comes to watch pro wrestling, who then
Speaker 1: educates the fans as to what is actually going on?
Speaker 1: He watches skeet shooting in the Olympics that people are
Speaker 1: I think the cathalon they still do as part of that,
Speaker 1: but I mean people who are you know, partial to
Speaker 1: those sports. That's who watches That's who watches the Olympics
Speaker 1: to begin with. On top of the fact that, how
Speaker 1: then do you go ahead and lay out a hole
Speaker 1: a ecosystem for this a whole structure of power structure
Speaker 1: that would be involved in having not only this sport.
Speaker 1: It's easy to say you can go ahead and put
Speaker 1: it on TV. There are actual, like you know, commissions
Speaker 1: in each country that there's a lot of that. How
Speaker 1: do you set up the amateur skeletal system to get
Speaker 1: people who actually you know, can qualify to make it
Speaker 1: ring of honor and impact. So how does that help
Speaker 1: the Hungarian team? You know, I don't think a lot
Speaker 1: of Hungarians are winning the pro wrestling contest. Back in
Speaker 1: a moment, observe alive. You know, actually did write something down? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want me to read it real quick, al right,
Speaker 1: because it's very technical. Yeah. Within the sport of professional wrestling,
Speaker 1: there's a very specific scoring system that must be followed
Speaker 1: and is used for every discipline or style. This will
Speaker 1: be referred to as the i j S International Judging
Speaker 1: System of Professional Wrestling. The two kinds of scoring you
Speaker 1: will receive during a pro wrestling competition is the technical
Speaker 1: score and the program components. Each technical element that is
Speaker 1: attempted in a program is a specific base value of
Speaker 1: points which varies based on the element. Additionally, elements such
Speaker 1: as suplexes, yes, suplexes technical wrestling sequences can achieve different
Speaker 1: levels which can add or subtract points from the element's
Speaker 1: final score. At the end of the match, all of
Speaker 1: your technical element points will be added up to form
Speaker 1: your technical score. The second aspect to the scoring system
Speaker 1: and pro wresting as the program components, determined by the
Speaker 1: overall presentation of your match, be separated into five categories
Speaker 1: as I read before selling offense, technique, transitions, and match
Speaker 1: story like the technical elements score these categories that we
Speaker 1: had together at the end of the program to determine
Speaker 1: the program components score. Then you take your final technical
Speaker 1: element score and program components score add them together to
Speaker 1: create your final match score, which is minus five stars
Speaker 1: for this pitch. You're an idiot, a fool for the goals?
Speaker 1: Are you describing a ring of unor pure match rules? No? Hey,
Speaker 1: who are the referees? Bro? You can't find You can't
Speaker 1: find nine Hall of famers to referee these matches around
Speaker 1: the world, brome on. But if they're on the take,
Speaker 1: wrestlers are known for being you know, shady with their
Speaker 1: brother And why do you ask these same questions about
Speaker 1: every sporting Olympics? Where are you fight nine just for
Speaker 1: figure sat on the tail as people on the take?
Speaker 1: As far as like, you know, a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: shady stuff going on that comes up about the Olympics
Speaker 1: all of the time. And now you're bringing in the
Speaker 1: biggest gangsters in the world, the biggest workers in the world,
Speaker 1: the workers in I don't think you're gonna make anything
Speaker 1: any better. Well, I'll read these comments from the from
Speaker 1: the fans going four to five seven eight zero seven
Speaker 1: five six six. That is four to five seven eight
Speaker 1: zero seven five six. And by the way, my final
Speaker 1: comment here is that statement I just read. It was,
Speaker 1: in fact literally the exact rules for figure skating in
Speaker 1: the Olympics, which is an Olympic sport with a panel
Speaker 1: of nine judges. It is designed exactly the way I
Speaker 1: designed my professional wrestling presentation here. And it seems to
Speaker 1: me that this figure skating works every four years. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know who watches that, Brian, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: did you ever see the demographics of who watches figure
Speaker 1: skating during the Olympics? So you want to bring in
Speaker 1: all of these women now, all of these older women especially,
Speaker 1: you know, that's who's going to be in. Who does wrestling?
Speaker 1: How does wrestling make a better Olympics? How does it
Speaker 1: make it a more you know, because they've tried to
Speaker 1: add sports, they've tried to add X games types of
Speaker 1: things and all sorts of things to try to update
Speaker 1: the Olympics to make it more of a especially I
Speaker 1: guess in the Western countries, a more entertaining show to
Speaker 1: watch something to invest in since they spend billions of
Speaker 1: dollars on TV on television for the rights to this thing,
Speaker 1: and PC's got it for what God knows when I mean,
Speaker 1: we're talking into like the trillions here. By the time
Speaker 1: all all is said and done, how does wrestling actually
Speaker 1: add anything to the Olympics, especially right now? It's for sponsors?
Speaker 1: What viewership? What's just up, dude? What you think somebody's
Speaker 1: gonna watch? Progressing? Was wrestling? Get right? Now? They could
Speaker 1: add to the Olympics that the Olympics would want. We're
Speaker 1: at the lowest point ever, as far as people watching
Speaker 1: wrestling on television, and as bad as the Olympics are doing,
Speaker 1: you could take almost all of the lowest point because
Speaker 1: time and do a better job than actually have wrestling
Speaker 1: in the Olympics. Listen, we're at the lowest point of
Speaker 1: watching wrestling on television because no one's watching television. The
Speaker 1: numbers of plummet. Listen to this, bro, Hey, listen when
Speaker 1: when pro wrestling is no longer in the top eight
Speaker 1: longer get back to tell you something, champ, When when
Speaker 1: they stop paying money that the rates that they're paying
Speaker 1: for the Olympics, for the Super Bowl for events like that.
Speaker 1: When they stopped doing that for television, then you get
Speaker 1: back to me. Well, hey, when they stop paying that
Speaker 1: money for pro wrestling, you get back to me, because
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a new pro wrestling deal for dem
Speaker 1: to belit pretty soon. It ain't gonna be cheap, dude,
Speaker 1: and us what none, None of it would relate to
Speaker 1: actually giving the Olympics any reason to bring in come on,
Speaker 1: progressing number one behind all sports. You couldn't possibly, you know,
Speaker 1: have that be part of the Olympics. No, that would
Speaker 1: be ridiculous because it's stupid. No, you couldn't. You look
Speaker 1: at some figure skating cable numbers and it's completely favorite
Speaker 1: you shooting, taking apples and oranges to try to make
Speaker 1: some sort of comparison here, Oh, we'll take sket shooting
Speaker 1: numbers and compared to give me a break. It needs
Speaker 1: nothing and things of sport. Not nobody's watching skeet shooting
Speaker 1: on cable. But they're in the Olympics. So I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure if you put professional wrestling in the Olympics it
Speaker 1: would do well. Are you sure? Are you sure? Arguing right?
Speaker 1: Are you sure that a lot of people in sports
Speaker 1: then would not look at the Olympics and go, you
Speaker 1: know what, this has now fallen to such a farcical
Speaker 1: level that we won't have any involvement in it at all,
Speaker 1: or we won't watch it. No, you don't tell people
Speaker 1: it's real unless you're crazy. You're bringing in pro wrestling
Speaker 1: to the Olympics. We're going to present this is synchronized
Speaker 1: swimming or please everybody look at it as figure skating.
Speaker 1: Do you think anybody's in no way? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: People are now people. I don't have any faith in
Speaker 1: humanity because when things happen in pro wrestling, people blow
Speaker 1: it off. People die, people o D people have all
Speaker 1: of these issues, and people blow it off because it
Speaker 1: is pro wrestling. You're telling me on a grand scale,
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who are uneducated about pro wrestling,
Speaker 1: don't want anything to do with it, but actually care
Speaker 1: about sports of the Olympics or something like that. They're
Speaker 1: going to do the research all of a sudden and frankly,
Speaker 1: he does wrestling have anybody that would actually go out
Speaker 1: there and do any of this stuff to lay the
Speaker 1: good will down to try to even get it into
Speaker 1: the Olympics. Give me a break. I told you that
Speaker 1: wasn't going to happen. But don't sit here and tell
Speaker 1: me that, oh, you can't have pro wrestling in the Olympics,
Speaker 1: because you know what, you also could you could have
Speaker 1: competing competitive nipple piercing in the Olympics. Okay, because yes,
Speaker 1: you can have competitive tattooing. Why that gets big numbers
Speaker 1: on cable? Right, sometimes it gets huge numbers. Yes it
Speaker 1: does with black ink. All those shows, All those shows
Speaker 1: get enough numbers on cable, certainly more than skeet shooting.
Speaker 1: So we should add that to the Olympics. Right, what
Speaker 1: are you gonna do synchronized tattooing? Now? I want to
Speaker 1: hear I have judge for art. I could have a
Speaker 1: judge for the original art. I could have a judge
Speaker 1: for the judge. I could have a judge for you
Speaker 1: could come up with all the same B S ways
Speaker 1: to do it in the same way he came up
Speaker 1: with the B S ways for right. I cannot wait
Speaker 1: to get the feedback here today seven eight zero seven
Speaker 1: five six. Open up the phone lines, coward, it's your
Speaker 1: last day here until you bail on all of these
Speaker 1: good people for a week. Open the phone lines and
Speaker 1: get your come up, and you are asking me to
Speaker 1: open up the phone line just because I know people
Speaker 1: are gonna bomb you out the building. I would be
Speaker 1: happy to open up the phone lines. Is that what
Speaker 1: you want? Bombs over, Brian, let's go. Yes, Well after
Speaker 1: the break, I'm opening up the phone lines and I
Speaker 1: don't want you complaining about it afterwards, which I know
Speaker 1: you're gonna do. Final Battle They've Meltz are reported based
Speaker 1: on the first week estimate that show did more than
Speaker 1: twenty five pay per view buys comprise of nineteen thousand
Speaker 1: via streaming on linear platforms. The number is up from
Speaker 1: Supercard of Honor, which did twenty three, but it would
Speaker 1: be down from the Death Before This Honor show with
Speaker 1: with thirty seven thousand. So those are the numbers, four
Speaker 1: of you, and I think everyone, I think we all
Speaker 1: knew this show was not gonna do giant numbers based
Speaker 1: on the build for it, and it was a good show.
Speaker 1: But you know you buy the show in advances, how
Speaker 1: usually works. New details available recordings regarding Sasha Banks's deal
Speaker 1: They Melts are addressed. Her status in the latest Observer
Speaker 1: newsletter noted the agreement is with New Japan. It does
Speaker 1: include one Stardom date likely a major show that promote
Speaker 1: the promo Cean has planned for the spring. Deal was
Speaker 1: with New Japan would include one date for Stardom be
Speaker 1: a show for this spring. Boushi Road is hoping that
Speaker 1: Banks's large social media following will help draw fans and
Speaker 1: build the public perception of the company. The belief is it,
Speaker 1: with five point six million followers on the Insta and
Speaker 1: two point four on Twitter, far more than any of
Speaker 1: their talent, that she has gigantic mainstream appeal. Sasha is
Speaker 1: going to represent Japan and the Brian Olympics. Well, you
Speaker 1: know they could send her if they wanted to. Boys
Speaker 1: of Russing claimed her deal as the largest per event
Speaker 1: agreement that New Japan has ever made, including Chris Jericho's
Speaker 1: Jericho Zeal. However, was based on various percentages as opposed
Speaker 1: to a flat rate. He said, for the record, the
Speaker 1: month the money I reportedly made during my run with
Speaker 1: New Japan online currently is completely wrong, said Jericho. I've
Speaker 1: never had a flat per appearance deal. I was paid
Speaker 1: according to the event, and I made more per event
Speaker 1: than I did for most of my WrestleMania matches. Banks
Speaker 1: negotiated with w w over the summer, reaching an agreement
Speaker 1: she would become a free agent at the start of
Speaker 1: three According to Dave, she was said to be seeking
Speaker 1: a number along the levels of Becky and Charlotte, and
Speaker 1: those internally have said she wasn't offered numbers close to that.
Speaker 1: They said that she has not seen internally as somebody
Speaker 1: who would be on top for the next five years.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine Dave's Twitter today when everybody takes
Speaker 1: that out on him, a lot of people taking it
Speaker 1: out on Charlotte. You know, when he came down to
Speaker 1: it comes down to who are you gonna choose? Who
Speaker 1: do you look at as a as a bigger star?
Speaker 1: Is it Sasha or Charlotte. Charlotte has been gone for
Speaker 1: a while. I think she's missed, But is she missed
Speaker 1: enough by everybody where? If she were to not come
Speaker 1: back for six more months, anybody's beaten down the door.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no Charlotte chance or anything like this.
Speaker 1: And one thing is for sure, I think ww E
Speaker 1: definitely has its eyes, even though they're saying, you know, sure,
Speaker 1: they're not at the level maybe a Backy or Charlotte
Speaker 1: that we're getting towards with Bianca Belair with rear Ripley,
Speaker 1: with some of the people they have in their system.
Speaker 1: You know, I think they're going to be moving on
Speaker 1: from a lot of these women here in the next
Speaker 1: couple of years. Backing a moment with more Observer Live
Speaker 1: man the show, bran Elva is here Wrestling Observer Live.
Speaker 1: Mike Simpervitt, also of Wrestling observer dot Com. Hey, the
Speaker 1: phone lines are open. Mike wanted some callers here today,
Speaker 1: so I'm happy to oblige if you would like to
Speaker 1: call the phone number and listen carefully. Geeks, don't screw
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Speaker 1: the eight under line? Got it? Now? Shall I do
Speaker 1: this phone? This phone bank is full full? All right, Rick,
Speaker 1: you're on the air. What's going on? Rick, Brian, Mike,
Speaker 1: thanks for taking the call. And Mr Alvarez and and
Speaker 1: I can call you Mr Alberts. Let me correct you.
Speaker 1: It is the Guardian of Chaos. That's my handle. But
Speaker 1: thanks for taking Yes, what's up In regards to what
Speaker 1: you guys are talking about pro wrestling in the Olympics.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to be as honest as I can.
Speaker 1: I think you both have a point. Mike is Mike
Speaker 1: is dead on when he says it wouldn't make the
Speaker 1: Olympics look farcical. Well, Brian, hold on, Brian, hold on, Now, Mike,
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I think fans would look at
Speaker 1: it and then start questioning the legitimacy of the athletes
Speaker 1: of the Olympics, although pro wrestlers are legitimate athletes. But
Speaker 1: I also agree with Brian when he says I think
Speaker 1: it would bring in ratings and it would bring in fans,
Speaker 1: and I have to agree with that, So I think
Speaker 1: both sides of the coin. Although Edgy a touchy situation.
Speaker 1: I think both that you have valid points than guarding
Speaker 1: of chaos. I want to thank you very much for
Speaker 1: the call, but bro, if I have to explain this
Speaker 1: one more time, I'm gonna flip my lid. Maybe you're
Speaker 1: there's a saying that if you keep having to explain
Speaker 1: it over and over again, No, nobody is doing pro
Speaker 1: wrestling in the Olympics and pretending it's real. Nobody, you
Speaker 1: would be stupid. You would be absolutely beyond stupid to say, hey,
Speaker 1: we got a new sport. If you're missing the point.
Speaker 1: The point is once you put it in there, people
Speaker 1: are gonna look at that and go pro wrestling forget
Speaker 1: about whether they believe it's real or not. It's two
Speaker 1: thousand twenty two. Nobody believes that it's real, okay, But
Speaker 1: the problem you put it in there, it just brings
Speaker 1: down the level of everything else, especially for people who
Speaker 1: are fighting for eyeballs for their sport. The only time
Speaker 1: that these Olympic sports get any attention is that time
Speaker 1: of year, and you are now taking away resources on
Speaker 1: top of it to actually go ahead and do this.
Speaker 1: On top of the fact that again who is funding
Speaker 1: this whole operation from the ground up, grassroots in every country.
Speaker 1: Vincent Tony Khan doing it together. Oh yeah, Vincent to
Speaker 1: work together for the pro wrestling business. Joshua, you're on
Speaker 1: the air. What's up? So uh? I've sent a text
Speaker 1: message about this earlier. But basically, people talk about how
Speaker 1: wrestling fans have a big tribal issue with each other
Speaker 1: back and forth. Can you imagine just how terrible that
Speaker 1: would be from that aspect if you had wrestlers from
Speaker 1: different companies at the Olympics? Well, of course, but I
Speaker 1: mean have you ever been on those skeet shooting forums? Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But yeah, brother, brother, Hey, we're gonna work together. We're
Speaker 1: gonna Can you imagine that scandal? Because there has not
Speaker 1: been anything ever in the history of man that professional
Speaker 1: wrestling people involved with it have not tried to exploit
Speaker 1: or not tried to You're trying to tell me that
Speaker 1: two people sent from one country you're gonna screw with
Speaker 1: each other. And then it didn't even make any sense
Speaker 1: why bobs don't work together? Nobody else give me, somebody
Speaker 1: else has given me bigger money from Come on, are
Speaker 1: you kidding me? They're gonna walk in and have a
Speaker 1: bad match. Double crosses have happened everywhere people have some territory.
Speaker 1: Probably happened in figure ska. You think ever a pipe? Oh,
Speaker 1: but which by the way, were passing? Uh? We passing
Speaker 1: some some some You saw the tests? Who really, brother,
Speaker 1: are we gonna do that? We're gonna do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's see how that goes. You can do it easy.
Speaker 1: Oh must horse meat. I can't believe it happened. You
Speaker 1: know what's going on? Who is this? You're on the air?
Speaker 1: Hi money? Yes? Oh those U y'all make some good points.
Speaker 1: But wrestling predetament. You have to think about governing bodies
Speaker 1: of sport. The Olympics want a world representation. What are
Speaker 1: we looking at a professional wrestling in a legitimate competing
Speaker 1: aspects of how many federal bodies of participating countries could
Speaker 1: you even represent You need representation from Africa and and
Speaker 1: and you know, top level consistent country by country Asia.
Speaker 1: I mean, what is it Japan? Korea? There's not a
Speaker 1: lot of worldwide wrestling other than pockets. Yes, it's going
Speaker 1: to be dominated by the US Japan anyway, there's no
Speaker 1: competition that's not a worldwide sport like in the rest
Speaker 1: of the Olympic body the money. Listen, you are you
Speaker 1: are absolutely right, okay, And never for one moment here
Speaker 1: did I argue that this was likely to actually happen.
Speaker 1: For a lot of reasons. My argument is, you could
Speaker 1: create a scoring system, you could create a way to
Speaker 1: fairly judge these matches from all over the world, and
Speaker 1: in fact, it would be it would be a benefit
Speaker 1: the television viewership of pro wrestling the Olympics off the charts.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, it would be no way, yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be yeah. Like you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people watch a match between somebody from Australian whatever
Speaker 1: in Canada during the Winter Olympics when hockey's on. There's
Speaker 1: a there's a loss morning that agree that you you
Speaker 1: are right about a lot of this, Matt or Mike.
Speaker 1: But what they disagree with is your idea that nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna watch pro wrestling in the Olympics. Because that's preposterous
Speaker 1: and you know it, Wendy. Okay, let's be real about this.
Speaker 1: For the amount have been for the amount of money
Speaker 1: that say, and because it's NBC spends on the Olympics, right,
Speaker 1: for all of those other sports, for all of the
Speaker 1: other people that back those sports, right for all the advertisers,
Speaker 1: for all the big wigs, people on the Forbes, the
Speaker 1: very top of the list who have an interest in something,
Speaker 1: that's why their company sponsors those athletes. You know, whoever
Speaker 1: it is, whether it be the mail when it comes
Speaker 1: to the the U S. Postal service when he comes
Speaker 1: to downhill skiing, or any of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: Like where do you think you're gonna just be able
Speaker 1: to walk in and go pro wrestling? Pro wrestling is still,
Speaker 1: no matter how you cut it, the last thing on
Speaker 1: network TV, what is one of the least rated shows.
Speaker 1: It's always wrestling, no matter how No, it's not. That's
Speaker 1: my point. Raw on Monday beat virtually every single show
Speaker 1: on cable and Network both Monday, which was a horrible rating.
Speaker 1: It's still beat almost everything on Network and cable on
Speaker 1: Monday night. People, does it beat the NBA. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna beat the NBA, but it's gonna It doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It's going to be against are in
Speaker 1: the Olympics, but it doesn't matter. That's what it's going
Speaker 1: to be judged against by the people that you know.
Speaker 1: If you're fighting for TV time, you have too much
Speaker 1: working against it, too much real life stuff where there's
Speaker 1: no way they're going to give wrestling a prime time
Speaker 1: spot in either the Cave in either the summer or
Speaker 1: the Winter Olympics. There's no way, Brian, none. There is
Speaker 1: a way. Yes, obviously, obviously the highest rated Olympic sports
Speaker 1: will be given precedents over pro How much money is
Speaker 1: are the Olympics? Let me see NBC Olympics. Let me
Speaker 1: see how much they're painful. I'll do that. I'm going
Speaker 1: to this phone. You're on the air, Lynn, Massachusetts. What's
Speaker 1: going on? What's up from DVD? And uh, well, by
Speaker 1: Bryan's points, these are things that they can be done. Um,
Speaker 1: the proof of in recent years was skateboarding getting in
Speaker 1: the Olympics because there has never been as far as
Speaker 1: set us and governing bodies and things, there's always been
Speaker 1: lots of different little ones and uh so it's possible
Speaker 1: what can be done? And the other thing they remember,
Speaker 1: uh in dad to say, skateboarding going in the Olympics.
Speaker 1: Tony Hawks said it best before it ever happened, that
Speaker 1: the Olympics need skateboarding more than skateboarding needs the Olympics,
Speaker 1: and it could end up the spot where the Olympics
Speaker 1: need debatings badly enough that they'll need pro wrestling more
Speaker 1: than the other way around. And um, Bryan, your blueprint
Speaker 1: is pretty good given us skating. But that's great that
Speaker 1: that Tony Hawks said that, because it's always like the
Speaker 1: soccer thing too, where it's like, you know, soccer is
Speaker 1: always it's gonna be the next big sport in America.
Speaker 1: It's always going to be the next big sport in
Speaker 1: America because it will never make it. You can say
Speaker 1: that about skating. The Olympics needs skating really more than
Speaker 1: they need a lot of other sports that they have.
Speaker 1: They're looking to shave off sports. That's another one. This
Speaker 1: is all this is all irrelevant to the fact that
Speaker 1: you could do professional wrestling in the Olympics. That's his
Speaker 1: entire point. There, anything you wanted, anything you wanted in
Speaker 1: the Olympics. If I would have had Darby Ellen on
Speaker 1: this show three years ago, if there was no skating Olympics, no, no,
Speaker 1: now you're just gonna if I would have had him
Speaker 1: on the show three years ago, and I said, you
Speaker 1: know what, Darby's here. He wants to argue there should
Speaker 1: be skateboarding in the Olympics. You would have done the
Speaker 1: exact same thing that you've been doing for the last hour.
Speaker 1: And guess what, they're skateboarding the Olympics because they had
Speaker 1: types of things in the Olympics for a long time.
Speaker 1: Now it's sort of the Winner Olympics and the whole
Speaker 1: thing with the X Games, so that that has been
Speaker 1: going on for a while. But I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: give me a break. You can put almost any activity
Speaker 1: like this then into the Olympics. That's what you're arguing
Speaker 1: isn't much, But you don't actually argue. You can actually
Speaker 1: see could, but you have no way to actually back
Speaker 1: it up with anything. You name the judging and that
Speaker 1: was it, and even that is incredibly soft, and you
Speaker 1: can blow holes in that. Explain how you actually make
Speaker 1: the whole breast of the thing function in the Olympic
Speaker 1: solar system. Any just give me a little bit of
Speaker 1: aw You want me to go read all this stuff
Speaker 1: on skateboarding and get back to you on Monday. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody wants that, but I couldn't know. I
Speaker 1: didn't ask you that. I asked you to try to
Speaker 1: actually give me away where it's not just judging that
Speaker 1: you can actually go through what you need to go
Speaker 1: through to get wrestling in the Olympics. Well, bro, Tony,
Speaker 1: you're on the air. What's going on? I explained at
Speaker 1: the very creating this is exceedingly unlikely to happen. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you how you could do it. You started
Speaker 1: as just Tony Mike. We disagree on a lot of things.
Speaker 1: Go Phillies, go Eagles. But I'm a dent on your
Speaker 1: side because I just think it would be a logistical nightmare.
Speaker 1: No one's arguing that it would be a logistical nightmare. Yes,
Speaker 1: but it could be done. It could be done. But
Speaker 1: how are you judging? You said, with judges for matches,
Speaker 1: But are we judging by star ratings? Who does the
Speaker 1: best match? The medal podium by Brian? What would the
Speaker 1: medal podium even look like? Would you have the two
Speaker 1: guys in the match, would you have the winner of
Speaker 1: the match, whether what you will? And bronze podiums look like? Bro,
Speaker 1: do you realize that there are there's pairs, skating and etcetera.
Speaker 1: They managed to get the winners on a podium. That's
Speaker 1: the least of our problems. But you're acknowledging that everyone
Speaker 1: knows that wrestling is steak and pretty determined. So you're
Speaker 1: gonna have the two. You're gonna have the two enemies
Speaker 1: on the podium were celebrating after they have a course,
Speaker 1: it's a performance. I honestly think something like like you
Speaker 1: you w f I or Pancrafts or UFC, we worked
Speaker 1: much better than wrestling. I don't disagree with that's not possible,
Speaker 1: but I think it would need a trial run. Uh
Speaker 1: with that's they after you're calling. Now everyone's on my side.
Speaker 1: That's what's gonna happen. We're gonna have a bunch of
Speaker 1: Greco Roman guys and kickboxers also go in and beat
Speaker 1: the crap out of everybody else since they're get out
Speaker 1: of here, and oh yes they would. You're a geek
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Speaker 1: Hey listen, Anthony, I love you brother, but oh USA
Speaker 1: Basketball Women's gold medal presentation one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
Speaker 1: eight nine Ted, there's twelve people getting the metal at
Speaker 1: the same time. I'm pretty sure you could make this
Speaker 1: work with two geeks in the ref honestly, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, if the ref is involved in this, think
Speaker 1: about his performance. What if he gets bought off? Hey,
Speaker 1: all I know is at the end of this show. Now,
Speaker 1: I just want to see wrestling in the Olympics. I
Speaker 1: just want to see. But why wouldn't am I not
Speaker 1: pole dancing? You want to have a better you'd be
Speaker 1: better chance getting that, And don't don't bury uh poll dude,
Speaker 1: they're very talented my pole anywhere, Brian, I see. The
Speaker 1: longer not for a while. The longer this show goes,
Speaker 1: the more people are like, you know, Brian's right, okay,
Speaker 1: so full of it? You could do if pack that
Speaker 1: up into your suitcase and take it on your adventure
Speaker 1: this week. You know, maybe you can open it up
Speaker 1: when you have a down day and all these memories
Speaker 1: from the show will come flooding back to you of
Speaker 1: everybody that thought you were right. Lan Him says, to
Speaker 1: Brian's point, the question about infrastructure are all answerable within reason.
Speaker 1: That's his point. This could happen if some sort of
Speaker 1: massive movement starts and that it's not far from other
Speaker 1: quote performance events like figure skating. Thank you, that's the
Speaker 1: whole point. Well, you want me to saw this whole
Speaker 1: probably in an hour on a radio show. Yes, no,
Speaker 1: it's thirty six minutes. They're the one who brought it up.
Speaker 1: Don't bring up something then say I can't actually finish,
Speaker 1: which you've surely you've said before. Before we go. Everyone's
Speaker 1: asking about the schedule this week. I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: I've had enough of this show. I quit. So next
Speaker 1: week Monday through Thursday, Mike is going to run the
Speaker 1: show and then for the Brian of Vitty show Tuesday. Yes, Vinny,
Speaker 1: Lance and Craig are gonna try for the first time
Speaker 1: ever to do the Brian of Vity Show on their
Speaker 1: own without Brian, So you can look forward to that.
Speaker 1: December twenty four. The Christmas show December. It laired about
Speaker 1: four Pacific seven Eastern, I think, so you can look
Speaker 1: forward to that. Hey, we've got great stuff coming up.
Speaker 1: Thanks y'all. Thanks to my followers. I appreciate you. Have fun.
Speaker 1: Next week, Mike, I hope you opened the phone lines
Speaker 1: to your echo chamber observe lives, vis