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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Welcome back to the Betting Pros Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Dan Harris. Find me on Twitter at Dan

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Speaker 1: Harris Adia. It's time to take an early look at

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Speaker 1: the week fifteen NFL lines. Here to do that with

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Speaker 1: me is my good pal Joe Piece of Pia. Find

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Speaker 1: him on Twitter at Joe Pisa Pia seventeen. Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Do I make that up every single time? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: No, it's correct.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Joe, I'm just great. I'm so great. How are you?

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Speaker 3: I can't believe that. I can't get the real just

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Speaker 3: like just Joe Pie's apia. Because that guitar player from

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Speaker 3: the band Guster, who's like apparently a big deal in

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Speaker 3: the music industry, and I've I've heard his stuff and

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Speaker 3: he totally looks like my grandfather on my father's side,

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Speaker 3: So I'm definitely thinking we're related. And I've reached out

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Speaker 3: to him saying, hey, you know, it looks like we're cousins.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you can give me the Joe Piza being a handle,

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Speaker 3: maybe a change it to you know, we guitars.

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Speaker 2: Or something like that.

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Speaker 3: No, No, he was famous first, so there you go.

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Speaker 1: I never asked you about that. I was surprised that

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Speaker 1: you were not able to lock down the original.

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Speaker 3: Joeys are floating around there.

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Speaker 1: Too many, too many, is right?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean to be fair, I was not able

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Speaker 1: to lock down Dan Harris either, which was very upsetting

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Speaker 1: to me. But regardless, let's get into a joe. How

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Speaker 1: was that, by the way, your week fourteen. From just

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Speaker 1: a gambling standpoint, we were on the right side of

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Speaker 1: a lot of games.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, actually, actually yeah, I was again this week as well.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what on top of that too.

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Speaker 3: As I told you, I think it's time to start.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I talked about Michael Parsons a lot of the IDP Show,

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Speaker 3: but talking about him all year with Scott Bachman, and

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Speaker 3: I'm starting to feel like I think there's a chance

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Speaker 3: here for him. And the numbers have dropped for him

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Speaker 3: for just defensive player of the Year, forget defensive rookie

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Speaker 3: the year.

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Speaker 2: That ship is sailed a long time ago.

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Speaker 3: But after this week's game against Washington, that's another guy

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Speaker 3: I think. And I told you I've hedged on MVP

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Speaker 3: now on Tom Brady after that Lamar injury, you know,

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Speaker 3: and I felt even better about that because I did

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Speaker 3: it before this week, I think it was just time.

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Speaker 2: But Lamar thing I'm.

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Speaker 3: So mad about because there was that path there, Dan,

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Speaker 3: and that path looks like it's twisted along with his ankle.

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Speaker 2: So now we're in bad shape there. But that's okay.

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Speaker 3: We'll make it back with Tom Brady because they're not

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Speaker 3: giving it to Aaron Rodgers after the COVID thing. They're

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Speaker 3: not voting for Aaron Rodgers for MVP. I don't care

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Speaker 3: how many touchdowns he throws. So it's going to be

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Speaker 3: Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you a pass for getting me on the

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Speaker 1: Lamar MVP bet for the because of Bryce Harper. So

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Speaker 1: you've more than you've made up for like your next

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Speaker 1: like eleven or twelve missteps.

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Speaker 2: Here, but for the rest of my life, you should.

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Speaker 2: You should.

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Speaker 1: That was a good one. And I took my wife

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Speaker 1: out to a very fancy dinner. Really yeah, of course,

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Speaker 1: I mean she's gonna she's gonna basically be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can gamble with your gambling fund over there, but

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Speaker 1: I want to reap the rewards when things go well,

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Speaker 1: and you know that's what we're gonna do anyway, All right,

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Speaker 1: let's get into it. We're gonna take an early look

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Speaker 1: of the week fifteen NFL lines. Joe and I have

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Speaker 1: done this together a couple of times, and we both

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Speaker 1: approach it the same way, which is, this is our

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Speaker 1: first look at the actual spreads and totals right now

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Speaker 1: at all. So that's how we like to do it,

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Speaker 1: the instant reac without any prep, because I feel like

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Speaker 1: that's how you get the most genuine And I remember, Joe,

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Speaker 1: I think you're on this last week preps a week.

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Speaker 1: You're on it a lot, Joe. I won't say that

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Speaker 1: you're our pinch hitter when we have a normal guest,

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Speaker 1: two cancels or anything like that. I will just say

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Speaker 1: that you're wonderful and I love having you on. But

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Speaker 1: I do think that you looked at Dallas over Washington

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Speaker 1: unless I'm completely making that up, and you like Dallas

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Speaker 1: for your instant reaction about where it was that turned

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Speaker 1: out to be correct, well done. But let me remind

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Speaker 1: everybody that we're giving away. I don't even think I

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Speaker 1: talked about this. I think I've been terrible with the giveaways.

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Speaker 1: We're giving away a signed DeAndre Swift jersey from our

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Speaker 1: the show. That's what we love. All right, Joe, let's

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Speaker 1: get into it. Let's start with the Thursday night game.

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Speaker 1: And we have some question marks here. We've got the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs visiting the Chargers. Chiefs are laying four here on

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Speaker 1: the road. The total is fifty one and a half.

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Speaker 1: Biggest question mark, Joe, is Austin Eckler really too. Austin

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Speaker 1: Staley basically was optimistic on Alan being able to be

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Speaker 1: to play here. What do you think you're getting four points?

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, if you remember last time these

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Speaker 3: two teams met in Kansas City, the Charger certainly got

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Speaker 2: This is a very different team.

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Speaker 3: I think the Kansas City is now than they were

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Speaker 3: back in whatever week that was, I can't remember. It

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Speaker 3: this game, you know, staying at this four four seems

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Speaker 3: a very tricky number. I don't care for the four.

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Speaker 3: If anything, I like that fifty one and a half.

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Speaker 3: The over on that, to me is where you.

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Speaker 3: Because the Chiefs offensively start to look like they are

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Speaker 3: I'm much more comfortable with that than the four because

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Speaker 3: I see this game going lots of different ways, and

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Speaker 3: on a short week, you know, crazy things happen in

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Speaker 1: I'm in agreement with you and I you know again,

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Speaker 1: I everybody knows that DraftKings is my homebook there at

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Speaker 1: fifty one, so even a little more enticing there for me.

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Speaker 1: So I would expect them to be able to win

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Speaker 1: this game. But the four points a little tough here.

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Speaker 1: So on the Thursday game, Joe, like you, I generally

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Speaker 1: a really strong lean, but I do not in this one.

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Speaker 1: But I agree with you. I like the over as well.

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Speaker 1: Here in this game, it's good the Raider is visiting

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Speaker 1: the Browns. This is Saturday, one of two Saturday games, Joe.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about that, how especially the Saturday night game.

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Speaker 1: and just tracking. But the Raiders are visiting the Browns. Here,

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Speaker 1: the Browns are laying six points, and the total's pretty

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Speaker 1: small here at forty two. Obviously, the Browns coming off

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Speaker 1: there for the Raiders again, hopefully they get back Darren Waller.

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Speaker 1: They just got obliterated by the Chiefs. They obviously need

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Speaker 1: right now, that division is entirely up for grabs right there,

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Speaker 1: especially with Lamar Jackson's injuries. So what do you think

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Speaker 3: I think I jump on the five and a half

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Speaker 3: of FanDuel right now because I think the six could

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Speaker 3: even grow to six and a half or seven as

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Speaker 1: By the way, just so you know, it is six

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Speaker 1: and a half at points bet already, and it is

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Speaker 1: five and a half at You're right, five and a

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Speaker 1: half at fandel and again, I'm on bettingpros dot com,

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Speaker 1: so I can look at basically all the consensus is Joe,

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Speaker 1: that's the only five and a half that's out there.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: That's why I found on it right now because I'll

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Speaker 3: saw the same thing, and I'm it might have jumped

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Speaker 3: to thirteen just while you were talking it's possible. I

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Speaker 3: know is that this is going to this this line

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Speaker 3: is going to get me closer to that six and

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Speaker 3: a half everywhere.

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Speaker 2: I think by the time we hit Friday, I think

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Speaker 2: the Raiders are done. I do.

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Speaker 3: I think the injuries of really Darren Waller, especially that injury,

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Speaker 3: and I don't even care if he's back on.

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Speaker 2: The field at this point.

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Speaker 3: I think the tumultuousness of this season, between the Rugs incident,

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Speaker 3: between the Gruden incident, I think mentally physically this team

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Speaker 3: has worn down.

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Speaker 2: They've lost Kenyan Drake, They've lost Darren Walder.

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Speaker 3: These last few weeks, and look, hunter renfro has done

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Speaker 3: some individual talent. You know, Abram's a nice player. Paraman's

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Speaker 3: had a really good year. But at the same time,

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Speaker 3: from a scheme and planning wise, it's starting to show

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Speaker 3: now I think that they don't have enough leadership at

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Speaker 3: the game plans haven't been good. I think those first

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Speaker 2: It's only going to raise from there.

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Speaker 3: And as you said, already points Pett's got at six

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Speaker 3: And there you go, there's your six right there, before

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I kind of lean towards the I mean,

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Speaker 1: Here on a small total your Patriots, Joe, I am

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Speaker 1: a little surprised by this spread, I really am. The

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Speaker 1: a half. Now I think this has moved, Joe. I

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Speaker 3: Well, look, they're my team. But business, it's always business.

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Speaker 1: It's always business.

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Speaker 3: Correct Italian from New York? You know this for me?

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Speaker 3: Right now? I mean This is kind of what I

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Speaker 3: the three on the home team, that's what you get.

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Speaker 3: So you're getting the hair less than that. So there's

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Speaker 3: a little respect there, but not enough. And I think

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Speaker 3: motivating the Patriots, and Bill Belichick is an underdog historically

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Speaker 2: See, look, you know, they know, they don't think you're

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Speaker 3: But to me, the most appeally thing in this game

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Speaker 3: completely is if you go over to FanDuel, you're getting

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Speaker 3: plus money here on the Patriots at plus one twelve.

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Speaker 3: So even though the line's very tight, if you can

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Speaker 3: would you even you know, muck around with a minus

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Speaker 3: or you know, even the cult side the point, like,

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Speaker 3: why would you even do that?

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Speaker 1: It's plus to be clear at consensus and the DraftKings

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Speaker 3: So I mean, if you're getting that number. To me,

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Speaker 3: the clear bet is just to bet the Patriots outright

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Speaker 3: on the money line, because that's your your best ratio

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Speaker 3: of cash and what makes you think that they can't

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Speaker 3: go in there and win this game? And with more

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a unique scenario, right because we haven't

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Speaker 3: had this all year, so there's no data to support

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Speaker 3: anything except that the Patriots defense is unbelievably good. Carson

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Speaker 3: don't let him beat you every single series. You know

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Speaker 3: he's gonna win one or two because he's Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 2: He's a great player.

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Speaker 3: But if you can at least kind of keep him

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Speaker 3: I think you're asking a lot of Carson Wentz here.

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Speaker 3: So I'm actually like the Patriots on the money line,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not betting the cult. I can tell you

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Speaker 1: that not not. I'm just not. There's no way if

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Speaker 1: this game. And I think what they'll do is they're

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Speaker 1: find other options. That's a good game plan right there.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I'm I think I'm surprised. I felt

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Speaker 1: I know if I'll do it, though, though I really

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that the Cardinals are visiting the

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Speaker 1: lines here, Joe. The Cardinals are laying thirteen and a

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Speaker 1: half points. The total is forty seven and a half.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals obviously coming off that tough loss last night.

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Speaker 1: this game, because you saw Deander Hopkins leave late, maybe

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Speaker 1: but then you have the Lions. So it's at home,

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Speaker 1: the Lions fight. It's fourteen at DraftKings already, but it's

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Speaker 1: thirteen and a half everywhere else, including at your book

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Speaker 1: at Fandal and again until those forty seven and a

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Speaker 1: half any lean's here, Joe, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Was still leaning the Cardinals here. I mean, they're just

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Speaker 3: a much better team now. Granted if some of if

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Speaker 3: that changes things significantly. And I gotta tell you, you know,

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Speaker 2: Aaron Donald and company.

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Speaker 3: They just the offensive from literally the first play of

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Speaker 3: that game, right, right, if you call the very first

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Speaker 3: it was holding, it was all this stuff. On my

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, they're just a different class of

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Speaker 2: But because they lost.

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Speaker 3: I think this they understand, like, look, we've got to

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Speaker 1: Oh sure. Plus, by the way, I mean, they're all

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Speaker 3: They need to buy more than the Rams. Let's be

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Speaker 1: They're not for the Rams, I mean that they got it.

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Speaker 1: they really got to go after it. They'll obviously win

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Speaker 1: the game, even if Colt McCoy had to start, and

436
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Speaker 1: even if they're down Hopkins, and even if they're down Connord,

437
00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,920
Speaker 1: they win the game. The Lions may get Howkinson back,

438
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Speaker 1: they may get Swift back, so maybe they can get close.

439
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Speaker 1: When it's a spread like this, Joe, I mean, there's

440
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Speaker 1: value on the Lions, but I don't want to.

441
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Speaker 2: Like there's value, but there's not confidence.

442
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take it. I'm just staying entirely away

443
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Speaker 1: from it, like I'll just be this will not be

444
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Speaker 1: a game that I will bet. Said this week, I

445
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Speaker 1: probably also will not bet the Cowboys visiting the Giants

446
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Speaker 1: and the Cowboys laying ten and a half points with

447
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Speaker 1: a total at forty five. Now, I assume it's going

448
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Speaker 1: to be Mike Glennon again. I don't think Daniel Jones

449
00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,879
Speaker 1: is going to be able to return here, but you know,

450
00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,160
Speaker 1: we'll have to see the Cowboys. Sounds like they may

451
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Speaker 1: get Tony Pollard back here. And you know, Mike McCarthy's

452
00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,040
Speaker 1: a little, you know, more optimistic on his status, which

453
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Speaker 1: is good because he leaves every game like a hobbled

454
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Speaker 1: old man unfortunately. So I don't know, Joe, what do

455
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Speaker 1: you think here? Ten and a half points?

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Speaker 3: All Division games are always tricky, right And I'll tell

457
00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,800
Speaker 3: you what. The Cowboys offense did not look good. Deck

458
00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,280
Speaker 3: did not look good in that game now, and you

459
00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,480
Speaker 3: should have. So this is a little frustrating here right now.

460
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Speaker 3: And they've got some injuries there with Tony Poward. Ezekiel

461
00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,840
Speaker 3: Elliott clearly not the Ezekiel Elliott of old where he's

462
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Speaker 3: just old Ezekiel Elliott now one of the two. But

463
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Speaker 3: I think to me, the most appealing thing on this game,

464
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Speaker 3: if you don't want to even dance around with the

465
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Speaker 3: line at all, is the forty four and a half,

466
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Speaker 3: because that's kind of a low number I felt like

467
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Speaker 3: for this game. For me, I would think this game

468
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Speaker 3: was somewhere around forty eight forty seven and a half.

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Speaker 3: Forty four and a half is extraordinarily low. And I

470
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Speaker 3: know that, you know, the Giants have you know, effort

471
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Speaker 3: level has been good, but these games can get wacky.

472
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Speaker 3: We've seen that in the past, especially this time of year,

473
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Speaker 3: those December Giants games against Dallas Cowboys. I think for

474
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Speaker 3: me personally, I think the forty four and a half

475
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Speaker 3: is the number for me that is most appealing in

476
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Speaker 3: this game. And if I had to lean, I would

477
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Speaker 3: actually lean towards the Giants in the ten and a

478
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Speaker 3: half because it is a big number.

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Speaker 2: And with the way the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: Have struggled on offense right now, who's to say that

481
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Speaker 3: they don't go in there on the road again two

482
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Speaker 3: weeks in a row again. So if this was at home,

483
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,439
Speaker 3: movie very different obviously I had more confident But on

484
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Speaker 3: the road, I think ten and a half was a

485
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Speaker 3: big number there for the Cowboys to cover right.

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Speaker 1: Now, it is, it's a big number if you're getting

487
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Speaker 1: that hook. I leaned towards the Giants, even with Glenn

488
00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,480
Speaker 1: and who again accounted for three touchdowns you know in

489
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Speaker 1: that game obviously, so against the Chargers. I agree that

490
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Speaker 1: it feels like the over is the right play, but

491
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,960
Speaker 1: both teams have pretty solid defense. Like the Giants are

492
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Speaker 1: underrated defensively, I know, justin Herbert just completely torched them,

493
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Speaker 1: but Herbert played like the game. Herbert was so good

494
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Speaker 1: in that game, like really tough for me to get

495
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Speaker 1: too down on it. But I also leaned towards the over,

496
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Speaker 1: like this does feel like a game that both teams

497
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Speaker 1: are going to be able to put up, you know

498
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Speaker 1: points generally speaking, it's not a game where I think

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Speaker 1: they're going to sort of grind the clock throughout, Like

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Speaker 1: it feels like fast moving drives and everything like that.

501
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Speaker 1: So I agree with you, I lean the over. But

502
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Speaker 1: all right, we're talking about some of these games, Like

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Speaker 1: let's get to the game that everybody really wants to watch,

504
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Speaker 1: Texans visiting the Jaguars. The Jags are visit are laying

505
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Speaker 1: three the totals forty and a half. First of all,

506
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Speaker 1: I don't understand how the Jaguars are laying points to

507
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Speaker 1: any team right now.

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Speaker 3: To me, the line is wrong. I don't understand just

509
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Speaker 3: straight you know, like every week we used to do

510
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Speaker 3: a segment. I remember on the TV show every week

511
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Speaker 3: when the lines would come out.

512
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Speaker 2: Is the line wrong?

513
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Speaker 3: And this is the one that I would circle right

514
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Speaker 3: off the bat as soon as I just saw this

515
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Speaker 3: right now. To me, I mean I would jump all

516
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Speaker 3: over the Texans in the points right now, one hundred percent.

517
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Speaker 3: Give me the Texans of the points.

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Speaker 1: But they kind of know, Joe. The thing is that

519
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Speaker 1: you you have to think that the casual better and

520
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Speaker 1: the books know that the casual better is going to

521
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Speaker 1: do that. Right like everybody everything, the.

522
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Speaker 2: Casual better is wrong.

523
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Speaker 3: In this instance, this situation with Urban Meyer is deteriorating quickly.

524
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Speaker 3: It is falling apart right before our eyes, and it

525
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Speaker 3: is something that you know, look, we all were skeptical

526
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Speaker 3: going in, but we thought, well, he's got a track

527
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Speaker 3: work at let's see what happens. But some of these

528
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Speaker 3: stories that are coming out, and then you see people

529
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Speaker 3: leaking in locker rooms, and when people leaking in locker rooms. Say,

530
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Speaker 3: you know, that's a bad locker room. It's a bad situation. Offensively,

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Speaker 3: they are a disaster. Defensively, you know they've had a

532
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Speaker 3: moment here and there. But I'll tell you right now,

533
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Speaker 3: when when they lose to the Texans, not if I

534
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Speaker 3: think they're going to lose to the Texans this week.

535
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Speaker 3: When they do, you might not see urban Meyer past Monday. Like,

536
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Speaker 3: I think there's that small chance that they might just say,

537
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Speaker 3: you know, we're not even gonna wait, We're just gonna,

538
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Speaker 3: you know, move on, because that would be a low point.

539
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Speaker 3: And I think you might get that point. And I

540
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Speaker 3: understand what you're.

541
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Speaker 2: Saying about Vegas and setting the odds and all the

542
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Speaker 2: casual money.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's like a trap, like a trap.

544
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Speaker 2: Sometimes it might feel like a trap, and I get why.

545
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Speaker 3: But I think the dysfunction of the Jaguars is far

546
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Speaker 3: worse than the dysfunction of the Texans.

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Speaker 2: And that's saying a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like there are teams occasionally in the

549
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Speaker 1: NFL where when you look at them and you say,

550
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Speaker 1: there's clearly value on this team, it doesn't matter because

551
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Speaker 1: there's so much dysfunction now The one thing is, like

552
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Speaker 1: we have seen the Jaguars, We've been dealing maybe not

553
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Speaker 1: to this extentsia, but we have been dealing with the

554
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Speaker 1: Urban Minya like horror show the entire year. I mean,

555
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Speaker 1: there are stories that come out and then they'll randomly

556
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Speaker 1: win again they beat the Bills like that. They're randomly

557
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Speaker 1: will win a game and you'll be like, wow, Okay, well,

558
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 1: I guess it's the NFL, So.

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Speaker 2: I could Bills have problems?

560
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Speaker 1: I know that game.

561
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Speaker 3: You know, that wasn't even the game that showed it.

562
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Speaker 2: You know what.

563
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Speaker 3: The game that showed it was the first game of

564
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Speaker 3: the season against the Steelers. It showed you that the

565
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Speaker 3: Bills had some holes and the Bills really, you know,

566
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Speaker 3: had a lot of talent and a lot of things

567
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Speaker 3: go well, a little bit of resting on their laurels,

568
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Speaker 3: and there were some downsides of the Bills. And it's

569
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Speaker 3: funny because it's reared its head in the game against

570
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Speaker 3: Jacksonville some other games this year too.

571
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Speaker 2: I don't know how even in that game, if.

572
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Speaker 3: You're playing the Patriots and you know they're not gonna

573
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Speaker 3: throw the ball at all, how you still let them

574
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Speaker 3: run amok on you.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

576
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Speaker 3: I don't know how you do that. I just I

577
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Speaker 3: don't understand it. I can't wrap my mind around it.

578
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 3: But Dan, you're one hundred percent right in being skeptical

579
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Speaker 3: of this.

580
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Speaker 2: Line of this game.

581
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Speaker 3: But I think this is one of those instances where

582
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Speaker 3: you don't overthink it and you just look at it

583
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Speaker 3: and say, Jacksonville's imploding and the Texans are bad, but

584
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Speaker 3: you know what, they played together for as bad as

585
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Speaker 3: they all do.

586
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Speaker 1: I love that we're running to back Davis Mills in

587
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Speaker 1: a game, like we're like, oh boy, let's go get him.

588
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: But I did, but I'm go to you and I

589
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: you and I had the same exact reaction. We've said

590
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Speaker 1: this when we start. We look at this the lines

591
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Speaker 1: for the first time on the show, and we had

592
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Speaker 1: the same reaction, which is like, how in the world

593
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Speaker 1: are the Jaguar. I don't care that they're home, How

594
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Speaker 1: are they favorite? How are they favored over over any team?

595
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Speaker 2: At this point?

596
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Speaker 3: The three even if they use it's fine, but the

597
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Speaker 3: three take the three.

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Speaker 1: With another team that might be another team that might

599
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Speaker 1: be favored over is the Jets, who are visiting Miami

600
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Speaker 1: and they are eight and a half point dogs with

601
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Speaker 1: the total at forty two and a half. You've got

602
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Speaker 1: Miami coming off a bye. Every single running back has COVID,

603
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Speaker 1: and we don't know who is going to be able

604
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Speaker 1: to suit up. They may get Malcolm Brown back at least,

605
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 1: and they have Duke Johnson, but who knows about that.

606
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: The Jets, meanwhile, are their usual disaster, but they don't

607
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Speaker 1: have Elijah Moore. Maybe they get Tevin Coleman back here,

608
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Speaker 1: but obviously they are possibly to Michael Carter as well. Yes,

609
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Speaker 1: that's true. Michael Carter. There was optimism that he may

610
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Speaker 1: come back here in week fifteen, so you're right, should

611
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Speaker 1: have mentioned that, and that is a big boon to them,

612
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Speaker 1: But not sure it's enough, Joe. You know, the game was,

613
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Speaker 1: you know, not a dominant win by the Dolphins in

614
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Speaker 1: their first game a few weeks ago, but the Dolphins

615
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Speaker 1: won obviously in the end. What do you think here

616
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Speaker 1: eight and a half?

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Speaker 3: I think the Dolphins defense has played really well. I

618
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Speaker 3: think the extra week to prepare to I actually feel

619
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Speaker 3: pretty comfortable here with the Dolphins in the eight and

620
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Speaker 3: a half, which is not a team I typically feel

621
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Speaker 3: comfortable with.

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Speaker 2: But at home with the Jets, what's going on there too.

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Speaker 3: It's just you know, the end of the year too,

624
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Speaker 3: we start to see these games start to get out

625
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Speaker 3: of hand a little bit because the defenses start to

626
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: get you banged up. You know, the effort level is

627
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Speaker 3: not the same. Everyone starts looking for the plane ticket,

628
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Speaker 3: you know. Or in week fifteen here, you know, like

629
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Speaker 3: you know, you're out of it. So I think the

630
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Speaker 3: Dolphins are not. The Dolphins clearly know that they are

631
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Speaker 3: in this mix. So I think this is an important

632
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: game for them. It's kind of a statement game for them.

633
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Speaker 3: Even though it's against the Jets and the forty three

634
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Speaker 3: is the number two. I don't feel super comfortable with

635
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Speaker 3: actual You feel more comfortable with the eight and a

636
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: half here because it's just the can the Jets be competitive?

637
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: Elijah Moore gone, Cory.

638
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Speaker 3: Davis go, like, I don't know who's going to catch

639
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 3: the football, and if you can't move the change, don't

640
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 3: care how many running backs you have, And I don't

641
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: care how few the Dolphins have. They got Devonte Parker back,

642
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: they got Wattle, they got Kasiki, They've got enough there

643
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 3: where they can figure it out. And I think with

644
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: that defense as well, see whenever you have that good

645
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 3: defense and a good matchup there against a bad offense.

646
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Speaker 3: To me, that's always where you can justify the bigger line.

647
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Speaker 3: So the eight and a half is where I actually

648
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Speaker 3: feel a little bit more comfortable here with the Miami

649
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: Dolphins here against the Jets.

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Speaker 1: I think they will they'll certainly win, and my guess

651
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Speaker 1: is they will cover the eight and a half points spread.

652
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Speaker 1: But I don't love it, and just because look, I

653
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: think the Dolphins probably have this team that's now built

654
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: to win with the way their defense is playing. But

655
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't really think that they're going to go out

656
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: there and most teams just blow the doors off, Like

657
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: I can see this being a game where they in

658
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: the end win by seven, as they you know, they

659
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: have like a backdoor cover for the Jets. But certainly,

660
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: if I had to go one way, I probably would

661
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: go there. And again, you've got we'll talk about the

662
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: next game as well. These spreads here where you've got,

663
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: you know, over a touchdown spread and the total sitting

664
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: at forty two forty three, it's just weird. You know,

665
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: something's got to give a little bit there, So we'll

666
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: see about that. I don't really love this game. I

667
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: will watch it because I'm contractually obligated by virtue of

668
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: growing up in Queen's and working for you.

669
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 3: I have given absolution to any Jets fan who wants

670
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 3: to get out, well, I remember for the Patriots with me.

671
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 2: That's fine.

672
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: I will never do it, but I will say that.

673
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm also obligated because I we are work for a

674
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: betting site as well, so sports betting site, so we'll

675
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: do that. Panthers are visiting the Bills ten and a

676
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: half points here, Joe. With the Bills laying that and

677
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: the total again forty three and a half. You've got

678
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: little Cam Newton and a little PJ. Walker, both of

679
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: them are going to play quarterback. DJ Moore is a

680
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: little banged up. The Bills look like a disaster right now.

681
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about a team needing a win

682
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: a team has maybe never needed to win like the

683
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: Bills need to basically put a stomping here on the Panthers.

684
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: What do you think I want to know more about

685
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's walking boot. That's why I sprained foot, Joe,

686
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: just so you know.

687
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and that's that's not nothing, especially when

688
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,479
Speaker 3: you don't run the football. Now, if the Bills come

689
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 3: out all of a sudden, run the football here and

690
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 3: change who they are, which I don't know if they're

691
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 3: capable of doing it at this stage in the season.

692
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: I really don't now.

693
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: This game makes me totally uncomfortable.

694
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: This is another one of these games where you know,

695
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: the Jet game, that's fine, like this one totally uncomfortable

696
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: because the Bills, you know, last week, did not show

697
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 3: up in the first half of that game and then

698
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: came back made it close. But the Josh Allen injury

699
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 3: really concerns me. The Panthers defense is very good, their

700
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 3: secondary is very good. That's the one thing that the

701
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: Bills do well. So the lack of clarity on the

702
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: offensive side for both of these teams really scares the

703
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 3: hell out of me. And this is a game where

704
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: I have no inclination on the ten and a half.

705
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: I have no inclination on the forty three and a

706
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: half on the under. If you want to have some fun,

707
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: plus four to twenty on the Panthers to win outright

708
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: and you just troll the Bills, that is your upset

709
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 3: of the week because you can because let's not pretend

710
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: like there's not a gamescrip where that happens, right, I mean,

711
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 3: that is absolutely in play, especially after losing to Tampa

712
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you lose to the New

713
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: England Patriots. You lose to Tampa, you go, Okay, well

714
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: we're coming home with all this stuff and it's the

715
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: Carolina Panthers.

716
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 2: We should beat them.

717
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 3: But the Carolina Panthers play d and the Carolina Panthers

718
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: have a lot of other issues that they got to

719
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 3: figure out right now, because you know, that's another weird

720
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 3: sinking ship where Matt Rule I think is starting to

721
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: get real real dicey in that situation in that coaching chair.

722
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 3: So they're gonna come out and they're gonna be ready.

723
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 3: So if anything, you want to have some fun on Sunday,

724
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: you throw, you throw twenty bucks on the plus four

725
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: to twenty of the Panthers and you hope for the

726
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 3: upset and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. But

727
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: other than that, man, I got no love for this game.

728
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do want to have fun on Sunday, and

729
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to ensure that by not betting on this

730
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: game and just staying far away from it because it's

731
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: really something that I have this like no feel for whatsoever.

732
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: The Bills team has been so incredibly disappointing, and right,

733
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Alan ran all over the Bucks in this

734
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: most recent game. But obviously, if he's going to be

735
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: limited there, that's a huge part of what they are

736
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: able to do, because you know, they really should. They're

737
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: not the worst running team in the NFL or anything

738
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: like that. And when they finally tried to run the ball,

739
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Devin Singletary looked pretty good doing it in

740
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: this most recent game. So maybe they'll get back to that.

741
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, I can't back a Cam

742
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: Newton or PJ. Walker led team, and I really don't

743
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: want to lay, you know, with the Bucks laying more

744
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: than ten points, with the Bills ling more than ten points,

745
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: pardon me. Let's get to the Titans visiting the Steelers.

746
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: This is going to be an interesting one, Joe. I

747
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: will watch this one. The Titans on the road here

748
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: laying two points correct and the total forty one and

749
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: a half. Man, there are some low totals this week, Joe,

750
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: low totals as we get into December football. Really, what

751
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: do you think here about the Titans, you know, visiting

752
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh runaway.

753
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: This is the most four outcome game you can possibly

754
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 3: fath him on this week. I mean, if I I

755
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 3: told you that the Steelers blow out the Titans, you go, well,

756
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised.

757
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: If I told you the inverse, you'd say, well, I'm.

758
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: Not surprised, I'd be surprised if the Steelers blew out

759
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: the Titans. I will say that.

760
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: That's why you can't write a script where Naj Harris

761
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 3: is a phenomenal game and Deontay Harris, Deontay Johnson, excuse me,

762
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, has ten catches for

763
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: one twenty and two touchdowns.

764
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: Of course, it's very possible.

765
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't find the script where the Steelers

766
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: come out and suddenly are juggernaut offensively. When the Steelers

767
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: do well offensively, Joe, it's because they're like, oh crap,

768
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: we're down twenty, we're down twenty five points, we've got

769
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: to just go crazy and lend the thing, which maybe

770
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: they do, Joe. Maybe they basically are like, you know what,

771
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: we're running, no huddle. We're just going out there like

772
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: crazy and we're gonna see what we can do. Right

773
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: from the get go. Maybe that does work. Maybe if

774
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool plays and isn't benched for his Shenanigans, maybe

775
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: that will help them as well. That part, I could

776
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: see the Titans blowing this game out. It's hard for

777
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: me to see the Steelers winning by like twelve points

778
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: or thirteen points or something.

779
00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: You know what.

780
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: When these two teams, though, historically it's been wacky. If

781
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: you recall these two teams specific they had that crazy

782
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 3: game that went back and forth last year. It believe

783
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: it was last season, right well, went back and forth,

784
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: back and forth, like just trade and touchdowns at the end.

785
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: If anything, you I think your instincts are correct that

786
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 3: the over under is suspiciously low. H forty one and

787
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 3: a half is.

788
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: Suspicion really low.

789
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, if you think that Watt's not

790
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: going to play this week with the groin injury, and

791
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 3: then I would absolutely go ahead and hit this early

792
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: in the over. The forty one and a half to

793
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: me is the one that, like, I don't know who's

794
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 3: gonna win this game. I would be very surprised if

795
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: there was enough defense in this game to hold this

796
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: total under forty one and a half.

797
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: I really would.

798
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand it, like when you take a

799
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: step back. I mean, the Titans continue to they don't

800
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: put up a ton of points these days, and they

801
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: continue to want to play their conservative game plan and

802
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: run the ball a lot and play off the run

803
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: and lead the clock. And the Steelers generally speaking, aren't

804
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: going to put up a ton of points unless they're running.

805
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: Your secondary is so bad, though, damn right now, No,

806
00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: you're bad.

807
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: You're not wrong, I mean, but I mean, is aj

808
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: I think Brown is eligible to come off the IR

809
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: this week, but I.

810
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: Think anybody like that's the thing. They're so bad right now.

811
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 3: I don't think it matters.

812
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: Well that's the point. That's what I'm saying. Where Like, well,

813
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: the secondary you're saying is so bad, I think it

814
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: matters if you're gonna have Julio Jones, who they're not

815
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: targeting down field, and Nick Westbrook Akina as your main

816
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: guys out there. But either way, I also lean over

817
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: in this game, just because that's a ridiculously low total

818
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: at this point, and I think both teams are capable

819
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: at least of scoring points. Washington is visiting Philadelphia here.

820
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: The Eagles are laying five and the total again low

821
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: forty three and a half. You obviously have question marks

822
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: here around Washington. Terry McLaurin suffered the concussion or at least,

823
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: will you know, a head injury trying to make that

824
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 1: superhuman catch that he could on someday. Who knows if

825
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: he's going to play. I don't know if it matters,

826
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: since he doesn't get involved enough. For whatever reason, they

827
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: don't play, They don't play. Curtis Samuel at all, doesn't matter.

828
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: Taylor Heineke has the knee injury. They're optimistic that he

829
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: is going to be able to play, but they're obviously

830
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: banged up here. You've got the Eagles off of bye.

831
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll have all seventeen of their running backs healthy

832
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: at this point. Jalen Hurts should be back. What do

833
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: you think here? This divisional game? Five points? Kind of

834
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: just that dead number sitting out.

835
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: There, you know, the Eagle's coming off the buy and

836
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: the extra rest there for Hurts and the running backs.

837
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: I think they're able to kind of run this game

838
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: into oblivion. And and I would not be surprised if

839
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: this game is close and then separated when we get

840
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: to the third fourth quarter, like towards the end of

841
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 3: the third into the fourth, that feels like.

842
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: You know, these Indivision games, these teams get up to.

843
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: Play their rivals, right, especially in December, right. I mean,

844
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: if you're the Washington football team, right, you're coming off

845
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: a bad loss to Dallas and you kind of know

846
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: this is your season, so they're gonna fight tooth and nail.

847
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of me that wants to lean

848
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: over to the Washington side in the five because of it.

849
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: But you see it's four and a half. It's some

850
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: other places too, which you know that that's what keeps

851
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: drawing me back to the eagle side, which is you know.

852
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: It's five and a half for you, right, and a

853
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: four and a half.

854
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: On the hand, n GM is four and a half.

855
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's five at DraftKings, five at Fox Bat five.

856
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: I think at the end of the day, Dan, it's

857
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 3: just how much can this Washington offense put up? And

858
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: Antonio Gibson's played great since he's yea, you know, since

859
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: the boy he has been the savior of this offense

860
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways. But I just think at

861
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: the end of the day, if this game is in Washington,

862
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 3: I'd feel differently, but it's not. It's in Philadelphia, and

863
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: I think Philly's going to come out there. I think

864
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 3: they get the seven and seven here and they realize

865
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: that this division is still very live for them, and

866
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 3: I think that that five with the Eagles is actually okay.

867
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. Don't love it, but I

868
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: lean that way for sure. The forty nine Ers are

869
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: laying eight and a half points here at home against

870
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: the Falcons forty five and a half. You know, Joe

871
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: I had the forty nine Ers against the Bengals this weekend,

872
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: even with the injury to their secondary, and it was

873
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: obviously a sweat and it felt like, you know, the

874
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: right side for most of it. And then you're like, oh,

875
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: what's going on? Am I crazy to hear?

876
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: Joe?

877
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: Were my initial instinct? It's actually nine and a half

878
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: for me at draftings. So that's that's a big one.

879
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: Am I crazy for thinking that the Falcons are going

880
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: to be able to keep this game close enough to

881
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: cover the eight and a half point spread because that's

882
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: my initial instinct.

883
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: It's not wrong because Jimmy Garoppolo continues to make stupid mistakes.

884
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 3: He makes mistakes that like a high school quarterback would

885
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: make some times where you drop the line in the

886
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: coverage and he throws a pick and you're just like,

887
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: this is like, this is like football one on one.

888
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: This is tough that Like my the nine year old

889
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: ten year old flag football kids that I coach, I

890
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: teach them these things, right, It's like, well, if you're

891
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 3: playing linebacker here, you know, and you know it's gonna

892
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 3: be passed, you just drop back and watch the quarterbacks

893
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 3: hides and Jimmy Garoppolo fallsport every time. It's crazy. It's

894
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: crazy to watch. So no, I think that's the instinct.

895
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 3: But the problem is, once again, from a personnel standpoint,

896
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 3: there's so much better than the Falcons that the Falcons

897
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: are mistake prone. The Falcons also, I think this is

898
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 3: this is the difference to me. You can come back

899
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 3: to the defensive end of when you look at these games,

900
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 3: and we always just think too much I think on

901
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: the offensive side, not enough on the defensive side. Sure,

902
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 3: I do think Bosa is going to get at least

903
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: one to two sacks potentially here. If there's a sack

904
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 3: prop for Bosa in this game against the Atlanta offensive line,

905
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: which is wretched. Yeah, I mean I would take the

906
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 3: over if it was one and a half. I'm taking

907
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 3: the over on it because I do think he's going

908
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 3: to get to more than once, and I think that's

909
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 3: going to cause. The problem here in this game is

910
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: you're that offensive line against the defensive front of the

911
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 3: forty nine ers.

912
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: That's where this game is gonna be won or lost.

913
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna be on the side of the forty

914
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 3: nine ers, even though it's a big number. And I

915
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: think your instincts are absolutely right, but I don't want

916
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: to overthink it too much because that offensive line is

917
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 3: the problem, and you win and lose games on the line,

918
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: and I think it Land's gonna lose this.

919
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: Game on the line.

920
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't expect the Falcons to win this game,

921
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: just to be clear going into San Francis Garden.

922
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: No, but I understand what you're content is here.

923
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: It just strikes me it's like, look the forty nine again,

924
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: their secondary is is I mean, it was a personal

925
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: reason obviously that that Danta Johnson missed it, but mostly's

926
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: out and it's not like the the the Falcons have

927
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: the personnel to be able to beat that, right, I

928
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: mean Russell Gage, Russell Gy just playing better. I will

929
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: admit that Kyle Pitts, you know, obviously had a decent

930
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: game this past one. Cordero Patterson oddly using cord Aero

931
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: Patterson as a traditional running back at this point in

932
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: Mike Davis's factory. And I just think that at least offensively,

933
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: regardless of line of the offensive line, they're able to

934
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: sort of find some semblems of a rhythm here lately.

935
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: And I think the forty nine just a little overrated.

936
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: I like them as a team, but you know, with

937
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: their injuries, so I lean right now towards the Falcons.

938
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: I want to dig into this, but getting over the

939
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: touch on and for me at nine and a half

940
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: strikes me as something where I'll probably tease them up

941
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: to fifteen and a half and just sort of try

942
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: to take that as part of my two team teaser.

943
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: Bengals visiting the Broncos here, This is an interesting one shoe.

944
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: The Broncos are favorites. They are laying one and a

945
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: half and the total, which I will get you in

946
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: one second is forty three and a half. Again under

947
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: forty four totals are all day long here. What do

948
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: you think, because it's just one. Basically the pick them.

949
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why anyone to even take this with

950
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: the minus money. You go and you play, You take

951
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: the Bengals at plus one hundred on the money line,

952
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: and I actually feel good about the Bengals.

953
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 3: And the reason is this. They have playmakers at the

954
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: end of the day, and Denver is gonna want to

955
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 3: drag you down to the mud typically and play, you know,

956
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 3: that kind of grind it out running football kind of thing.

957
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: But they don't have a Jamar Chase kind of difference maker.

958
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: They have a Higgins, right, so jerj is a wonderful player,

959
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: but they don't you know, the quarterback situation is limited there,

960
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 3: let's just put it kindly. So I think that's the

961
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 3: difference in this game is the one big play. Denver's

962
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: capability making the one big play right now rest solely

963
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: on the shoulders of Johnta Williams breaking a big run,

964
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 3: which is very possible, which is something that you might

965
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: see in this game. But can Jamar Chase have that

966
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: one or two big plays in this game? I think

967
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 3: the answer is yes. And I think when you put

968
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: to that, then all of a sudden, I like the

969
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 3: Bengals side and I think this is the trap game

970
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: of the week where people start to look at, well,

971
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: Denver looked really good last week, Well, yeah was Detroit.

972
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: And you say, well, look at what happened last week

973
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 3: with the Bengals. Yeah, well they were playing a good opponent.

974
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: So even though it's on the road, even though Denver's

975
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: a tough place to play, all those factors together, I

976
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: still will go with the Bengals here because I do

977
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 3: think the Bengals are a good football team. I think

978
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 3: they're still a little inconsistent, but it's the big play

979
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: making ability I think they bring to this game that

980
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: Denver can't compete with. And when the total is so

981
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 3: close like that, I mean, I'm just gonna flip the

982
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: coin for the team that can make a big play.

983
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: You know. I think I agree with you, Joe, and

984
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: I've been fading the Bengals for most of the season.

985
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm honest about it. But I was pretty impressed with

986
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: the effort they put up against the forty nine ers

987
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: to come back in that game. And again I was

988
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: worried about Burrow's pinky finger, but it looked good and

989
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: with the wide receivers and with their offense and their

990
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: defense plays better than expected. I want to see who's

991
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: going to be healthy for this game. But yeah, I

992
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: think this is a cell high moment for the Broncos

993
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: coming off the Giant went off the Lions. Who doesn't,

994
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: But it strikes me as that's the correct side, So

995
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: I lean that way as well. Not a strong lean,

996
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: but I do lean that way. Packers are visiting the

997
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: Ravens here, Joe. They are currently laying four and a half.

998
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: We obviously have questions here. The total is forty three

999
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: and a half. Again another low total, but obviously got

1000
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: questions on Lamar Jackson. He's expected to go after suffering

1001
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: an ankle sprain that was not a high ankle sprain.

1002
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers reportedly suffered a setback with his toe. Would

1003
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: know it from how well he played in that game.

1004
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: So what do you think here? And do you attack

1005
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: this now while the status of Jackson is up in

1006
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: the air.

1007
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what you see on fandals got

1008
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: a four and a half. I like the five and

1009
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: a half here and I like the Raven side of

1010
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: this game.

1011
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: It's four and a half. Four and a half is

1012
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: the consensus.

1013
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm looking right now, Okay, I'm on, I see

1014
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: five and a half. Bett can Maybe it's moved. Maybe

1015
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: it's moved since I opened the page, since we started

1016
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 3: going to look.

1017
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: Maybe I opened the page.

1018
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: Let's say now it's four and a half. But it's

1019
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: four and a half.

1020
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1021
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: I'll screenshot this and show it to you and you

1022
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 3: tell me. Think about this, what's going on here?

1023
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: So it's four and a half at pretty much every book,

1024
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: Draft Kings is at five, sugar House and bet Rivers

1025
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: and Univet and bet America. Oh so I see. So

1026
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: it's basically here's what we've got. This interesting, Joe, it

1027
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: is split. I mean, the consensus is at four and

1028
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: a half. That's the majority of books, but it is

1029
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: pretty widely split. There are a lot of books at

1030
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: four and a half. There are a lot of books

1031
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: at five and a half. So it's pretty split among them.

1032
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: So I will allow it, Joe, five and a half,

1033
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: go ahead.

1034
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: Five and a half. I'm in. I'm in on the

1035
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:49,479
Speaker 2: raven side.

1036
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: And it's because of the inconsistency of the packers on

1037
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 3: special teams, I mean, and it's not just because of

1038
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 3: Jaqem Grant. Like Jaqem Grant is a freak of nature

1039
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: and he's fun to watch it. He's done this before,

1040
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 3: but it's something that's happened all year to them.

1041
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: And I don't just meet on kick returns.

1042
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: I'm talking about field goals too, and that's the thing.

1043
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 3: You're on the road, right You gotta make those kicks.

1044
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: You got to make those. Mason Crosby struggled this year.

1045
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about that. There's been a lot of

1046
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: inconsistency with special teams, and I feel like in these

1047
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 3: close games, I still think the Packers are gonna win

1048
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: this football game. But I think even with Huntley, the

1049
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 3: Ravens actually might rally around. You know, I think this

1050
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: game is actually slightly more dangerous for those people who

1051
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: like the Packers side of this game if Huntley plays,

1052
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: because I think there's that let's rally around our guy

1053
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: kind of thing. He played pretty well. I mean, what

1054
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 3: bore do you want from the kid who came in?

1055
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: He played pretty well. I thought so at the end

1056
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: of the day, Baltimore's a tough place to play. Packers

1057
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 3: coming off a big win kind of you know, swaggering around,

1058
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: walking like Vince McMahon and the old attitude raw days

1059
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 3: down to the ramp, and I think that personally, I

1060
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: think that the five and a half, the bigger the

1061
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: number I can lock it with the Ravens, the more

1062
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: I like it.

1063
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't have a great feel, but I do

1064
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: like the over forty three and a half. I mean

1065
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: with how decimated the Ravens are defensively, you know, especially

1066
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: in the secondary. Like I don't care if Aaron Rodgers

1067
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: walking around on one leg, like he's going to be

1068
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: able to put up three touchdowns with this offense at

1069
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: least probably, like you know, I would be surprised if

1070
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: they don't put up you know, in the high twenties,

1071
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: low thirties here you don't need much from Baltimore. Forty

1072
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: three and a half. I don't know, man, I like

1073
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: the really where Eileen here is the over. That's where

1074
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: I would hit it right now, And it's forty three

1075
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: and a half everywhere. I don't know what your crazy

1076
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: consensus is, but it's forty three and a half.

1077
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: I said, I sent you my crazy consensus.

1078
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: I refuse to look. I recuse to look at your

1079
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: maniac but I lean towards the over at this point,

1080
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: rether than the spread. The Bucks are hosting the Saints

1081
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: ten and a half here, Joe ten and a half

1082
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: points forty six and a half. I mean, remember the

1083
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: first time these teams met, you had Trevor Simeon filling

1084
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: in there and leading the Saints to a victory. It's

1085
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: a divisional game. It's a second divisional game here, Bucks

1086
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: are rolling. Saints have Taysom Hill sort of doing weird

1087
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: things back there at quarterback. What do you think.

1088
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: I think the Saints constantly scare the hell out of

1089
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: me against the Bucks because every right, I mean, going

1090
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: back to last year, the Saints, I don't know what

1091
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: it is, but they've got the number for some reason.

1092
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I don't know how, but that

1093
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: secondary is not very good. You could throw the ball

1094
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: on them all day.

1095
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 3: I am uncomfortable with this game, and I feel like

1096
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 3: I shouldn't be, but I feel like all the data

1097
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: points to yes, the Tampa Bay Buccaneer should absolutely smash

1098
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 3: this because they are far better football team. At this point,

1099
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 3: you mentioned Taysom Hill and whatever else I'm gonna throw

1100
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 3: at your quarterback. Yes, it's even on the road there

1101
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: for the Saints. At the same time, every time the

1102
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: Saints and Bucks lock horns. It feels like the Saints

1103
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 3: play above their weight. I don't know what it is,

1104
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: but it makes me completely uncomfortable with this game. So

1105
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 3: if anything, I'll take the over under on this game.

1106
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 3: I don't even care what it is. It's forty six

1107
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: and a half. That's not a very big number, right,

1108
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 3: I'm with that's not huge at all.

1109
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: And the problem I can't look. I think there's value

1110
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: on the Saints, but there's no because if the Bucks

1111
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: jump out to a two touchdown lead, now what are

1112
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: the Saints doing to come back here in this game? Right?

1113
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: Because Taysom Hill can't pass, you know, and I have

1114
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: no pass catchers that are a running team. So the

1115
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: spread is uncomfortable, even though I see value on the

1116
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: Saints because there's a very plausible path where this game

1117
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: gets out of reach quickly. But I do like the

1118
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: over as well with you, Joe, so we're going to

1119
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: be there as well. Man. A lot of small totals here,

1120
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: by the way, that's the Sunday Night game. I realized

1121
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: when I refreshed to see the new consensus, it rearranged

1122
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: the games, which means I skipped one game before we

1123
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: got to the Sunday night game, and that was the

1124
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: Seahawks visiting the Rams, and the Rams here are laying

1125
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: seven points and the total finally is normal at forty

1126
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: seven here. So Rams coming off the big win for

1127
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: you at six and a half, for me at six

1128
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: and a half, but for the consensus at seven. So

1129
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: what do you think about that one?

1130
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: This is an interesting one here because you have the

1131
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: Rams coming off a big Indivision win.

1132
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: Now can they roll with it? Right? And if you're Seattle,

1133
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: you have nothing to lose here?

1134
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 3: And I feel like all the pressures on the Rams,

1135
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 3: even though they one, yep.

1136
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: This is a fascinating game. I think.

1137
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: I like the six and a half on the Seahawks night.

1138
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 3: I still think the Rams won this football game. But

1139
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 3: six and a half is a good enough number there

1140
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 3: with Russell Wilson the Seahawks where they just look at

1141
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: and they go, yeah, well you know what we're gonna

1142
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 3: We're gonna trade blows with you. We're gonna go for it,

1143
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,479
Speaker 3: because they literally have nothing left to lose, right, They're

1144
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: not a playoff team this year.

1145
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: They're not gonna be competitive.

1146
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 3: So you're coming off a game where you know, the

1147
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks, Russell Wilson started to look like Russell

1148
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 3: Wilson again. Yes, and I think that there's a lot

1149
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: of people that will just hammer the Rams after the

1150
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 3: big win last night. Well, let's not forget that big

1151
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: win last night was still by the hair of their

1152
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 3: chinny chin chin, was it not. I mean, you know,

1153
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 3: you got real nervous at the end. There you got

1154
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 3: the on side kick and we're looking around going, oh

1155
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 3: my god, can they do this? And then the offensive

1156
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 3: line for the Cardinals kind of let everybody down. But

1157
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 3: I'm looking at this one right now, and that six

1158
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: and a half from Seattle. I think Seattle keep this

1159
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: one interesting, interesting enough of the six and a half,

1160
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: so I would lock that in.

1161
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm waiting because it's seven pretty much everywhere else, So

1162
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: I hope he gets the seven where we are, Joe,

1163
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: but I agree with you. I'll take the Seahawks. I mean,

1164
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: this is just plastic let down game for the Rams,

1165
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: right they They they dealt with so much coming in there,

1166
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: with all the injuries, the COVID news that dropped right

1167
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: before they started started playing, and then suddenly they win

1168
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: that game. They look great. This is a letdown spot.

1169
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: And they lay turns at home all the time.

1170
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: And the Seahawks the Seahawks, You're right, Joe, the first

1171
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: of all defensively there. I mean, even without Adams, they're

1172
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,479
Speaker 1: still playing a little bit better here. Russell Wilson looks

1173
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: a lot better. Maybe they finally have a run game

1174
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: now with Rashad Penny. Like, I love the Seahawks here

1175
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: getting I'll wait for the touchdown because I don't see

1176
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: it dropping to like five and a half or anything

1177
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: like that. So I'm gonna wait on this. Hopefully our

1178
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: books catch up to basically every other book our sponsor

1179
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: Bet MGM, they're at seven, you know, Fox Bet points

1180
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: Bet they're all at seven, So I'm gonna wait for

1181
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: it to get to seven. But I agree with you,

1182
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: I like the Seahawks. Monday Night Football, the Vikings are

1183
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: visiting the Bears. The Vikings are laying three and a

1184
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: half points. The total is forty four. The Vikings looked

1185
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: like they had an easy win as usual. They let

1186
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: the Steelers come back in there and almost up the Bears.

1187
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: You know, doing a Sunday night podcast during that game

1188
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: with a Packers fan and watching the Bears jump out

1189
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: to the lead and looking good and ultimately they blow it.

1190
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: But you know, Fields looked decent in that game. So

1191
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: three and a half points here, Joe with the Vikings

1192
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: on the.

1193
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: Road, This one makes me uncomfortable. I don't know why.

1194
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 3: I feel like this is going to be an outdoor

1195
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: December Chicago slog. And even though the forty four is

1196
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 3: a low number, there's something that feels like it's gonna

1197
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: be an under like this. This feels like a twenty

1198
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 3: seventeen kind of game where you're just kind of like, yeah,

1199
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 3: there it is, and it's just, you know that NFC

1200
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 3: old school Winter football kind of feel like it sure,

1201
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 3: And I think that's the trap of this game. Is

1202
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 3: it total is low, You're coming off and I think

1203
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: the Vikings will win.

1204
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: Don't let me, let me make no mistake about that,

1205
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 2: let me be clear.

1206
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: But at the same time, you see them put up

1207
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: all these points, right, you see Jefferson, you see Dalvin

1208
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 3: Cokeviny's big games that doesn't always transfer necessarily, and the

1209
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 3: Bears defense in Chicago at home in the elements, you're

1210
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: taking Minnesota out of the dome. I don't know, man,

1211
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 3: I'm looking at this one, and I think this is

1212
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: the under is actually the most comfortable number, and it's

1213
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: a low number for me. But this game just feels

1214
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: like uninspiring to me, or we're sitting around going, well,

1215
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: this is a crappy Monday night football game. I feel

1216
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: like that's where we're gonna be at.

1217
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins in primetime Joey on the road Monday.

1218
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: Night Cousins, by the way, is one of the worst

1219
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: statue you'll ever see Monday Night Kirk Cousins.

1220
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: It's bad news, man.

1221
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: Go look, I look forward to checking it out after

1222
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: this one. Yeah, I don't know, man, it's probably This

1223
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: is probably a game where I will bet because it

1224
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: will be Monday and everybody bets on Monday night football.

1225
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: But for now I'm going to stay away from it.

1226
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 2: But to guarantee you, all the money's on the over

1227
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 2: in this game.

1228
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: This is a really interesting, interesting week, Joe. A lot

1229
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: of low totals, a lot of big spreads like this

1230
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 1: is gonna be a fun week to kind of dissect.

1231
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 1: We'll do that all when we break down our best bets.

1232
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: Coming to Thursday, Joe is always I enjoy talking to you.

1233
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: We've done seventy five hundred podcasts together, everyone is better

1234
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: than the last one, so I appreciate you popping on here.

1235
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: In the meantime, everybody enjoyed the rest of a week.

1236
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 1: We'll be back on Thursday, as we always are, talking

1237
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: about our best bets for the weekend. Week fifteen of

1238
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: the NFL. Let's enjoy it well last I'll talk to

1239
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: you them