WEBVTT - 102823 The Palestinian Perspective ft. Suzanne Aslam (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>ramses job. He is Ramsey's job. I am q Ward.

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to Civic Cipher and need you are.

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<v Speaker 1>And today we're doing a bit of a follow up episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a half the show follow up episode and the

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<v Speaker 1>other half we are going to be discussing something that

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<v Speaker 1>is very important. And today we are fortunate enough to

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<v Speaker 1>be joined by Suzanne Oslom. She is the former Miss

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<v Speaker 1>arab Usa. I just found that out and my mind

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<v Speaker 1>has been blown. I you her as the author of

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<v Speaker 1>the book post Pardon Me. But she's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>helping us in terms of adding some perspective to the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation we had last episode where we were discussing the

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<v Speaker 1>conflict between Palestine and Israel and giving us some perspective

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<v Speaker 1>and some insight into more of what it might mean

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the Palestinian side of things, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>something that we've lacked on the show. We've done our

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<v Speaker 1>best to try to account for the various positions that

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<v Speaker 1>people might take to be credible and fair and balanced journalists.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's joining us today to help us answer some

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<v Speaker 1>questions and provide some insight and hopefully help us with

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<v Speaker 1>a space to create a little bit more empathy for

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<v Speaker 1>all each other. So welcome to the show, Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. In addition to that, the second part of

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<v Speaker 1>the show, we're going to be talking about a police

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<v Speaker 1>shooting that took place in Westminster, Colorado that really got

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<v Speaker 1>Q and I to have a conversation that we seldom

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<v Speaker 1>have around here, where we start to challenge our beliefs

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<v Speaker 1>and question how deep they go. So you're definitely going

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<v Speaker 1>to want to stick around for that and so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>But first and foremost, we're going to do like we

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<v Speaker 1>always do it this time, start to show off with

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<v Speaker 1>some ebbing excellence, shall we we shall? This time it's

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<v Speaker 1>some sports stuff? So cute? Do you want to take that?

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<v Speaker 2>I love when he says some sports stuff because that's

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<v Speaker 2>just beyond his level of comprehendon.

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<v Speaker 1>You could just do it better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right. Today's ebony excellence brought to us by Actively Black.

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<v Speaker 2>There is greatness in our DNA. Is it actively black

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<v Speaker 2>dot com? This story comes from Lakers Nation dot com. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>I just read the first sentence and it gave me pause.

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<v Speaker 2>Set to begin his twenty first NBA season, Lebron James

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<v Speaker 2>will turn thirty nine years old in just a few months,

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<v Speaker 2>but the Lakers superstar remains amongst the NBA's most elite players.

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<v Speaker 2>Last season, Lebron was once again named to the NBA's

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<v Speaker 2>All NBA Team, posting an average of twenty eight point

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<v Speaker 2>nine points, eight point three rebounds, and six.

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<v Speaker 1>Point eight assist.

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<v Speaker 2>Upon recently getting the news that he is officially wow

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<v Speaker 2>the oldest player, Lebron gave a hilarious response before showing

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<v Speaker 2>off a level of athleticism that looks nothing like that

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<v Speaker 2>of a person nearing age forty. I saw that I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't do it when I was twenty. Moves like that

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<v Speaker 2>are what many Lakers fans are hoping to see more

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<v Speaker 2>of from Lebron this year. His foot injury severely hampered

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<v Speaker 2>him during the playoffs, but prior to that, the Lakers

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<v Speaker 2>superstar had many moments resembling that ridiculous dunk. But he

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<v Speaker 2>and the rest of the Lakers are focused solely on

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<v Speaker 2>the ultimate goal of bringing the franchises eighteenth championship.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Lebron needs just one three hundred and forty eight points

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<v Speaker 2>to become the NBA's first forty thousand point player. James

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<v Speaker 2>also has a chance to surpass another record held by

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<v Speaker 2>a Lakers legend, Kareem abdul Jabbar. Abdul Jabbar averaged twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three point four points in the nineteen eighty five eighty

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<v Speaker 2>six season, the highest ever by the NBA's oldest active

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<v Speaker 2>player coincidentally thirty nine during that season, just as Lebron

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<v Speaker 2>will do this year.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, he is still excellent and he has been the

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<v Speaker 1>whole time. So glad we had a chance to shout

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<v Speaker 1>him out. So I have been doing my best to

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<v Speaker 1>research this war. It's being dubbed the Hamas Palestine, or sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>the Hamas Israel war, or the Israel Hamas. Warn't forget

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<v Speaker 1>the order, but it's being dubbed that, and I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that what that does is that paints a picture that

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<v Speaker 1>isn't entirely accurate in terms of the result or the outcomes,

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<v Speaker 1>because it kind of makes me think that it's between

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas and Israel, which I believe in theory that's what

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<v Speaker 1>it is, but the people bearing the brunt of that

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<v Speaker 1>ends up being the Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's very intentionally phrase that way, okay, to

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<v Speaker 2>give those who are not who haven't done any research

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<v Speaker 2>or who might lack information, the impression that that's what's happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So and it and it points the empathy toward a

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<v Speaker 2>very specific group in that conflict. I think intentionally, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Though, no, no, no, that's that's what I was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to say. So, Susanne, as I appreciate you being here,

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<v Speaker 1>So before we get started, tell us a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about yourself and sort of you're going to give us

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more perspective, Uh, give us an idea

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<v Speaker 1>of your the walk of life that you come from

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<v Speaker 1>that allows you credible perspective for the benefit of our listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>My parents are a Palestinian Christians from a suburb of Bethlehem.

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<v Speaker 3>So they came here with my mom was pregnant with me,

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<v Speaker 3>born in Detroit, and we've been going back ever since,

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<v Speaker 3>back and forth. I've worked with peacekeeping organizations there. My

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<v Speaker 3>grandparents who were still alive and still living there. I

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<v Speaker 3>was with them in Palestine last month. They are older

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<v Speaker 3>than the State of Israel. They remember when it was

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<v Speaker 3>just Palestine, and they remember the israelis coming in. So

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<v Speaker 3>our history goes back before people even before and Israel

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<v Speaker 3>even existed, and that was our land the entire time.

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<v Speaker 3>So for people to think that this isn't this has

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<v Speaker 3>been happening for thousands of years, because people think that

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<v Speaker 3>because they've got the Bible and they hear that, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this has just always been happening. There's always been occupation

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<v Speaker 3>on that land, but it's never been like this, and

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<v Speaker 3>Israel is a new.

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<v Speaker 1>State, Okay, Okay. So I feel compelled to let our

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<v Speaker 1>listener know that the reason why today's conversation is important

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<v Speaker 1>is because again, I've had some conversations with some people

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<v Speaker 1>who are Jewish. These are Jewish journalists, these are people

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<v Speaker 1>who are I believe to be good people, and they

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<v Speaker 1>can only offer so much insight and perspective in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of this conflict. And so, in sort of regurgitating what

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<v Speaker 1>I had learned so far, it felt like I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>able to fully articulate the other side of things. And

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<v Speaker 1>since then, a lot of the visuals, since since my

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<v Speaker 1>initial conversation with my Jewish friends, a lot of the visuals,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the videos coming out that are very,

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<v Speaker 1>very sad, videos of death, and obviously we have to

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<v Speaker 1>mention that we've seen the bodies of young children. We

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<v Speaker 1>tried to talk about that last episode, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>gave up because it's not it is beyond the scope

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<v Speaker 1>of my abilities to articulate a mango child's body on

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<v Speaker 1>the radio. I'm not just not that morbid of a person.

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<v Speaker 1>But since learning all of this, and then, of course

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<v Speaker 1>knowing what I've known, I have not been able to

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<v Speaker 1>fully explain the other side of it. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a gap there that is really important that people

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<v Speaker 1>know about. So I appreciate you coming here. Before we

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<v Speaker 1>get started, I want us to use the thought starter

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of our conversation. So what we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do is play a video from a gentleman by the

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<v Speaker 1>name of Ali Velshi. This is from twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>May have twenty twenty one on MSNBC, and just listen

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get your initial thoughts.

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<v Speaker 4>One thing clear, Israel has a right to exist and

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<v Speaker 4>to defend itself. That is an indisputable fact. But so

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<v Speaker 4>do Palestinians, and that's a fact that's often ignored. Palestinians

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<v Speaker 4>are at best third class citizens in the nation of

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<v Speaker 4>their birth. The idea that it's even remotely controversial to

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<v Speaker 4>call what Israel has imposed on Palestinians a form of

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<v Speaker 4>apartheid is laughable. One look at a current map of Israel,

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<v Speaker 4>Gaza and the occupied territories conjures up only one other example.

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<v Speaker 1>Apartheid era South Africa.

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<v Speaker 4>The Israeli government, on an ongoing basis declares parcels of

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<v Speaker 4>land on which Palestinians live to be either of military

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<v Speaker 4>or archaeological importance, causing residents to be evicted. Sometimes there's

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<v Speaker 4>a court case, and almost always the Palestinians lose. Yet

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<v Speaker 4>months or weeks later, that same important land suddenly becomes

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<v Speaker 4>home to a brand new Israeli settlement. As more and

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<v Speaker 4>more Jewish settlers take over land on which Arabs live,

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<v Speaker 4>the occupied West Bank becomes de facto more Israeli and,

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<v Speaker 4>in the explicit hopes of the Israeli government, more Jewish.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a long standing attempt, and a deliberate attempt

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<v Speaker 4>to force Arabs, who have lived in that land, sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>for hundreds of years, out as attempt to dilute the

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<v Speaker 4>their presence, because to have Arabs as full participants is

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<v Speaker 4>in the opinion of the Israeli government and their courts,

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<v Speaker 4>diluting Israel. Just prior to the pandemic, I toured many

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<v Speaker 4>of the contested areas and homes from which Arabs are

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<v Speaker 4>being pushed out, both in Israel proper and in the

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<v Speaker 4>occupied territories. Palestinians don't control the important parts of their lives.

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<v Speaker 4>Palestinian families are refused permits to build or renovate their homes.

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<v Speaker 4>When they connect their homes to the municipal water supply.

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<v Speaker 4>Israeli soldiers sometimes cut the pipes when they attempt to

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<v Speaker 4>harness solar energy because their homes are not on the grid.

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<v Speaker 4>Israeli soldiers literally come and remove solar panels from their homes.

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<v Speaker 4>I spent an hour and a half traveling alongside an

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<v Speaker 4>elderly Palestinian woman who is being transferred between three ambulances

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<v Speaker 4>from Gaza to the no man's land in between and

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<v Speaker 4>then into Israel to get cancer treatment.

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<v Speaker 1>Three ambulances over the course.

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<v Speaker 4>Of one mile more than an hour to cross the border.

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<v Speaker 4>That's how Gazans live without medical treatment because Israel prevents it.

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<v Speaker 4>Without electricity much of the time, because Israel prevents it.

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<v Speaker 1>Without the ability to.

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<v Speaker 4>Fish in the Mediterranean Ocean, because Israel prevents it without

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<v Speaker 4>an airport or a seaport, because Israel prevents it. Like Israelis,

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<v Speaker 4>Palestinians also have a right to exist and to defend themselves,

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<v Speaker 4>but there is no one willing to help them do that,

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<v Speaker 4>not the Israeli courts and not the US government. What

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<v Speaker 4>the US also shares with Israel is the belief that Hamas,

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<v Speaker 4>the political party that governs Gaza, is a terrorist organization

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<v Speaker 4>that calls for the destruction of Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas is supported.

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<v Speaker 4>By the majority of Palestinians in Gaza. Hamas may not

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<v Speaker 4>be in the best long term interests of the Gazans,

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<v Speaker 4>but peace hasn't really worked out for them. Based with

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<v Speaker 4>an Israeli government which pens them into what has been

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<v Speaker 4>called the world's largest open air prison. They have chosen

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<v Speaker 4>a government that most of US wouldn't prefer, one that

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<v Speaker 4>is not given to negotiation and moderation and respect for

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<v Speaker 4>its neighbor. Israel needs a new approach to the Palestinians,

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<v Speaker 4>and America needs a new approach to Israel. After more

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<v Speaker 4>than seven decades of not just being deprived of land

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<v Speaker 4>from which they were evicted, Palestinian frustration runs deep it

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<v Speaker 4>may be worth going deeper than what you may hear

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<v Speaker 4>inside your bubble and understanding the depth to which the

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<v Speaker 4>Palestinian people are subject to apartheid in their own land,

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<v Speaker 4>deprived of basic necessities and subject to relentless civil rights violations.

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<v Speaker 4>This is not a secret. It's out there for you

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<v Speaker 4>to see. You just have to look for it. One

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<v Speaker 4>thing clear, Israel has a right to exist.

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<v Speaker 3>That was so well well done, so well spoken, and

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<v Speaker 3>everything that he said conjured up images of things that

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen. First of all, when they say they have

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<v Speaker 3>the right to defend themselves, that line really frustrates me

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<v Speaker 3>because that's a propaganda line. And it's also the question

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<v Speaker 3>is from whom? From the people that they are occupying,

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<v Speaker 3>from the victims of apartheid and ethnic cleansing. That's who

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<v Speaker 3>they're defending themselves from. So that line is really really frustrating,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's not it's in ellipses, and we need to

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<v Speaker 3>finish that sentence that we need to really talk about

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<v Speaker 3>who they're defending themselves from. They are third class citizens.

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<v Speaker 3>My family doesn't have a right. So we're in Bethlehem

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<v Speaker 3>in Jerusalem is next door, and they are not allowed

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<v Speaker 3>to go into Jerusalem and visit their holy sites there

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<v Speaker 3>unless they have a permit. These permits are very hard

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<v Speaker 3>to get. And when they go through the checkpoint in Bethlehem,

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<v Speaker 3>there's two checkpoints, one for foreigners and one for Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 3>The lines are long. People are trying to get into

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<v Speaker 3>work into Jerusalem if they if they do work in

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<v Speaker 3>in Jerusalem or in Israel proper, they're subjected to. The

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<v Speaker 3>indignity that they're subjected to at checkpoints is nobody should

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<v Speaker 3>be subjected to it. They make you stand there such

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<v Speaker 3>long lines. I've seen soldiers spit and throw water, like

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<v Speaker 3>just a water bottle that they were drinking, and then

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<v Speaker 3>just throw the rest of it in the faces of

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<v Speaker 3>people at checkpoints who are actually in their own city

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<v Speaker 3>trying to go to a mosque, but there's a checkpoint

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<v Speaker 3>between the city and the mosque's It's just it's constant,

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<v Speaker 3>constant military rule, military rule. This is a military ruled country.

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<v Speaker 3>When I appreciate being on here because the equivalent that

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<v Speaker 3>I would like to share is that talking about this

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<v Speaker 3>and allowing for the Palestinian perspective is talking about South

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<v Speaker 3>African apartheid and allowing for the black perspective, and we're

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<v Speaker 3>not always doing that. We're Can you imagine only talking

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<v Speaker 3>to white people in South Africa about South African apartheid.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make sense. They're not the ones experiencing the apartheid.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're trying to get our voices out there for

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<v Speaker 3>this reason, because we're the ones experiencing this. We in

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<v Speaker 3>this case. I don't like to be a victim, but

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<v Speaker 3>we are. We're the victim here the evictions that occur.

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<v Speaker 3>I met a man whose house was demolished five times.

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<v Speaker 3>He's trying to build on his own land, but they say,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not allowed to build without a permit. You're going

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<v Speaker 3>to ask for a permit from the Israeli government. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to give you a permit, So you build anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you going to do. You've got more kids,

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<v Speaker 3>you've got families, you're growing. And then they go, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you built without a permit, so we're going to demolish

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<v Speaker 3>your home. So they demolish the home. Sometimes they're actually

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<v Speaker 3>able to get them completely off of the land. When

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<v Speaker 3>they do that, they'll try as hard as they can

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<v Speaker 3>to get back on that land. But if they can't

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<v Speaker 3>get back on that land, for three years. The government says, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you haven't tended to that land for three years, so

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<v Speaker 3>now it's ours. And so there's this tactic between the

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<v Speaker 3>military and the government where the military sweeps you off

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<v Speaker 3>your land as much as they possibly can, and then

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<v Speaker 3>you can't get back there for three years, and then

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<v Speaker 3>next thing, you know, the government's like, well, you didn't

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<v Speaker 3>use it, so it's ours.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>This is systemic. They are doing this. They know exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what they're doing. I mean, they're they're not They're brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about the conflict, because to be fair,

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<v Speaker 1>that video that we saw was from twenty twenty one, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's talk about the recent conflict that started on

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<v Speaker 1>October seventh, seventh, right, So, I guess dude, because he

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that the Hamas has a lot of support from

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<v Speaker 1>the Palestinians, which makes sense according to what it is

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, you're saying that they're living under and

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<v Speaker 1>what he was saying too, it's just kind of like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>peace doesn't work, so this is probably the only way

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<v Speaker 1>that we can change our day to day reality. Before

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<v Speaker 1>the day of the attack, how did the people of

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<v Speaker 1>Palestine regard Hamas?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so I need to explain that Hamas only governs Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't govern the West Bank or my family lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Their political organization, they were elected. Why were they elected?

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<v Speaker 3>They were elected because these are people who are under

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<v Speaker 3>so much suffering and they are desperate, and Hamas who don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't support them. I don't like their ideology, but

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<v Speaker 3>they were actually doing something and palsing and people were like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, somebody's fighting for us, so fine, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>The things that Hamas did that was so awful on

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<v Speaker 3>the seventh and the eighth. What frustrated me about that

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<v Speaker 3>is Israel's been doing that for seventy five years. So

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<v Speaker 3>if you're going to be all up in flames about

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<v Speaker 3>what Hemas did, fine good. What they did was not okay,

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<v Speaker 3>But then you have to also not be okay with

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<v Speaker 3>what Israel's been doing because it's the exact same thing

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<v Speaker 3>and worse for seventy five years. So they are there

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<v Speaker 3>ruling in Gaza. They're a political organization. Fun fact, they're

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<v Speaker 3>a political organization that only came about in I think

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty seven if I remember correctly, and the State

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<v Speaker 3>of Israel's been around since nineteen forty eight. So they've

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<v Speaker 3>been doing this since before Hamas existed, and they helped

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<v Speaker 3>support the founding of Hemas because in other places, especially

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<v Speaker 3>in the West Bank, we were looking for more secular,

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<v Speaker 3>liberal organizations, political organizations to rule, and that doesn't bode

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<v Speaker 3>well for the State of Israel. They need extremism because

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<v Speaker 3>now we have a we have an enemy, Now we

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<v Speaker 3>can fight a Look, they're so there's so violence.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I was going to say. Is it the

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<v Speaker 1>case that it certainly seems this way, But would you

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<v Speaker 1>say that Hamas gives Israel an excuse to affect the people,

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<v Speaker 1>the Palestinian people. Does it give them license to now say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well let's bomb all this stuff? Because how about this?

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<v Speaker 1>So what I was told is that Hamas is a

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<v Speaker 1>terrorist organization. I was told that Hamas uses hospitals and

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<v Speaker 1>schools and so forth as basis of operation, and that

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<v Speaker 1>Israel has no choice but to attack these places strategically

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<v Speaker 1>to root out the Hamas threat. And you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about is seeing all these images of these

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<v Speaker 1>body parts of children. Yeah, you know, and and they've

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<v Speaker 1>they've admitted like, hey, you know, we can't get everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some people can't evacuate. You know, that's just this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of part and parcel to the war. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>specifically targeting Hamas. Do you feel like perhaps Israel is

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<v Speaker 1>using Hamas as an excuse to.

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<v Speaker 3>So? I figured so, first of all, they've been doing

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<v Speaker 3>this for a long time, Like they didn't start bombing yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>This They've been bombing Gaza for the last seventeen years.

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<v Speaker 3>They love this, they love that. Now Hamas is such

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<v Speaker 3>a great excuse. I'm telling you, this is a terrorist organization.

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<v Speaker 3>They're coward to hide behind civilians. We have to go

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<v Speaker 3>and we have to bomb everything. They completely like just

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<v Speaker 3>if you think about it, just from a perspective of geography,

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<v Speaker 3>they've completely decimated all of northern Gaza, that's the closest

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<v Speaker 3>part to them, and they're slowly just going to move

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<v Speaker 3>further and further south and just ethnically cleanse via genocide

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<v Speaker 3>that entire region because they want that land, they want

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<v Speaker 3>that entire region, and this is the easiest way for

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<v Speaker 3>them to do it. In Gaza, it's an open air prison.

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<v Speaker 3>The UN deemed it uninhabitable. They don't have clean water,

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<v Speaker 3>they haven't had clean water in years. Then they try

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<v Speaker 3>they don't have electricity without the permission of Israel. They

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<v Speaker 3>can cut it off whenever they want. They use collective

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<v Speaker 3>punishment to do that. This is just a land grab,

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<v Speaker 3>the most violent land grab.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have about two minutes left. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>get your thoughts on Joe Biden's stance supporting Israels and

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<v Speaker 1>effectively distancing himself from the people of Palestine. How did

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<v Speaker 1>that hit you or is there been a reaction from

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<v Speaker 1>you know, family friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my family's appalled, but not shocked that. No American

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Jimmy Carter is probably the only one that's

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<v Speaker 3>ever really been supportive. But no, they don't they He's

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<v Speaker 3>a puppet. He's an absolute puppet. And the president before

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<v Speaker 3>him was a puppet, and the president before him was

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<v Speaker 3>a puppet. Their puppets for the state of Israel. And

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<v Speaker 3>how can they sit there and ask for peace and

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<v Speaker 3>then give Israel thirty eight billion dollars which they Obama

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<v Speaker 3>actually said, We're going to give you thirty eight billion

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<v Speaker 3>dollars over the next ten years. How in what world

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<v Speaker 3>are the Americans actually trying to negotiate peace between the

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<v Speaker 3>two groups.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually going to say the US government, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that's unique to Joe Biden. No, our politicians in mass

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<v Speaker 2>have stood in support and solidarity with Israel blindly, Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>and Democrats. Yeah, and this attack, as you said, license

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<v Speaker 2>to morally support in that way, right, we all have

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<v Speaker 2>to support, you know, a response, an aggressive response to

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<v Speaker 2>this terrorist act. So let's kill everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, obviously this is a much longer conversation. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you haven't even begun to scratch the service of

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<v Speaker 1>everything that needs to be articulated. Are you on social media?

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<v Speaker 1>I know you have your book. I'm going to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that you plug your book, But are on social

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<v Speaker 1>media anything like that you're following to so please share

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<v Speaker 1>with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I am. I'm pretty active on Instagram. I've been sharing

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<v Speaker 3>a lot, and I have had the opportunity to educate

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<v Speaker 3>so many people who are saying, oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 3>had no idea. Thank you and it's susy team awesome,

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<v Speaker 3>s u z y A t I m A s

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<v Speaker 3>l A M.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, well complicated. Hopefully you'll stick around for

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<v Speaker 1>the next part of the show. I appreciate you giving

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<v Speaker 1>us this insight because this is something that we definitely needed.

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<v Speaker 1>We needed an original, fresh voice and you provided that.

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<v Speaker 3>So thank you for thank you for the opportun tunity

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<v Speaker 3>I