1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: In my family. Even though we're a big in social 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: justice like everyone else, we felt really imprisoned by the 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: shame and stigma of mental health and addiction issues. We 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: wouldn't talk about them, even though we'reas I said, we're 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: very progressive in all the rest because the power of 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: shame and stigma are so strong. I did not become 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: a leader as some profile encouraged. I reacted to a 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: situation where the fellow that I had been in drug 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: rehab with had sold his story of being in rehab 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: with the Kennedy to the National Inquirer, and so I 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: had to see my own face on the cover of 12 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: the National Choir with the headlines Patrick Kennedy drug addict 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: and this is going into my second term in public office. 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: Of course, I thought my political career was over. 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: There. 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: That was Patrick Kennedy, some of the late Senator Ted 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: Kennedy and former US Congressman sharing the personal story behind 18 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 3: the very public spotlight. I'm Andrea Waters King and this 19 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 3: is my legacy, hosted by me, my husband Martin Luther 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: King the Third, and our good friends Mark Kilberger and 21 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 3: Craig Kilberg. Patrick and his wife Amy Kennedy, an educator 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 3: and mental health leader in her own right, open up 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 3: about breaking generational silence and the hope they found in 24 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 3: telling the truth out loud. It's a rare, honest look 25 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 3: at what it means to carry both pain and purpose 26 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 3: and keep showing up for the people you love. Today, 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: we're bringing you a conversation straight from the Lake Nna 28 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 3: Impact Form at the KPMG's Learning an Innovation Center's Lake 29 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 3: House in Orlando's Lake Nona Community, a place where the 30 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: brightest minds come together to shape the future of health, 31 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 3: wellness and medical innovation. 32 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 4: Let's go. Welcome to my legacy. We're honored to have 33 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 4: with us today, Congressman Patrick Kennedy, who of course, comes 34 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 4: from one of America's most iconic political families. His father, 35 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 4: Senator Ted Kennedy, was known as the Lion of the Senate. 36 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 4: Senator Kennedy dedicated nearly five decades to fighting for civil rights, 37 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 4: health care, and social justice. Of course, Patrick is forging 38 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 4: his own legacy. He served as a US Congressman for 39 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 4: sixteen years. He was the driving force behind the Mental 40 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 4: Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act that required health insurance 41 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 4: companies to provide coverage for mental illness and addiction treatment, 42 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 4: just as they would for other illnesses. Together with his 43 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 4: wife Amy, they founded the Kennedy Forum to ensure that 44 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 4: mental health is an essential part of our healthcare system 45 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 4: and to continue to break the stigma around mental health. 46 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 4: As our listeners know, what makes my legacy unique is 47 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 4: we don't just hear from extraordinary individuals. We hear from 48 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 4: the people who know them best, those who have been 49 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 4: with them on their life journey, Patrick, would you please 50 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 4: do us the honor of introducing to us your wife Amy? 51 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: Thank you. Well. My wife Amy and I met. I 52 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: was speaking to a coalition that was really focused on 53 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: developmental disabilities and her father was a special ed teacher, 54 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: but he got sick and so he sent Amy in 55 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: his place. And I was honoring my aunt, Unis Shriver 56 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: for having started Special Olympics, And of course afterwards, I 57 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: was asked to, you know, sign some things, and all 58 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: I could do is wait because Amy was in the 59 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: line for me to sign her program, and I was disheartened. 60 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: When she came up, she says, I just need to 61 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: do this for my father because he loves your family. 62 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: And I thought, oh my god, it's guy who thought 63 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: I was going to be in good shape. But Amy, 64 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: a public school teacher, ran for Congress a couple of 65 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: years ago and tracked the attention of our Governor Murphy 66 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: and New Jersey such that he put her in charge 67 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: of the National Governor's Association effort to define the solutions 68 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: to helping address children's mental health. She's co founder of 69 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: the Kennedy Forum. And of course, if you're talking about 70 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: mental health prevention, prevention, prevention, so she's led that effort. 71 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: We wouldn't have such a big crisis in this country 72 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: if we did a better job at earlier intervention. And 73 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: as a public school teacher, she's been on the front 74 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: lines of seeing these challenges. 75 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 4: What an extraordinary dedication both of you to mental health 76 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 4: into working on such a critical issue. And as I 77 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 4: sit here with an extraordinary couple who have come together 78 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 4: an iconic family, a school teacher dedicated towards mental health, 79 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 4: I look at both of you, co creating and co 80 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 4: leading this institution, and I can't help but think of 81 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 4: another iconic family where an individual came from her own 82 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 4: activism roots and married in and the two of them 83 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 4: co leading and co creating their own passion on civil rights. 84 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 4: We know Martin's name, we know Patrick's name. But I 85 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 4: love in both your interactions that you called out all 86 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 4: that you do and the extraordinary work that you do 87 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 4: is with your life partners. I love the tributes because 88 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 4: Martin you have said that Andrea is the driving force 89 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 4: behind a lot of your action, and Patrick, I love 90 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 4: that you just said Amy is the driving force behind 91 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 4: a lot of your action. It was just lovely to 92 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 4: hear it. 93 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: Obviously is no secret that our families have worked together 94 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: for decades now. In fact, at your aunt's funeral just 95 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 3: a few months ago, Martin talked about the fact that 96 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 3: he had worked with mar Kennedy's then he can count 97 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: and more projects. 98 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 4: But you are Could you tell me a little bit 99 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 4: about these two families and how you guys have worked 100 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 4: together over the years. 101 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: I think that Martin said it well in his speech 102 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 3: that history knit us together, but love has kept us together. 103 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 3: Our families both have dedicated so much to public service 104 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 3: and to really creating I think a country and a 105 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 3: world that works for all of us. And when you 106 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 3: have those connections from the work that your father did 107 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: with his uncle to uncles actually coming to the house 108 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 3: after the assassination and One of the things I think 109 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: a lot of people also don't realize is that after 110 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,559 Speaker 3: RFK was assassinated, if I'm correct, your mother rode home 111 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: on a plane with it was Jackie Kennedy, elf the 112 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 3: Kennedy together, this generation, I mean Martin, he paged for 113 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 3: your father, campaigned for you, Amy, and we just you know, 114 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 3: we raise our children together. We both have sixteen year olds. 115 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: We you know, we see each other. You know, ever 116 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: we hug each other, and so it's like family. 117 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: Well, like your dad said, we're all caught in an 118 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: inescapable web of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. 119 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: What affects one directly affects alt indirectly. But in our 120 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: families that's been more true than any two families, given 121 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: all of the similarities and the deaths and tragic deaths, 122 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: but in the common cause of social justice. And I 123 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: can tell you one of the greatest sources of pride 124 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: in my families having worked with your family. 125 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: As are we thanks and we'll just so through that 126 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: it continues, it continues generation the generation. But Patrick, your 127 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 3: family obviously name is one of the most well known 128 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: in American history, a family which we've said has deeply 129 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: rooted in public service. So for you, who would you 130 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: say would be the biggest influences in your childhood and 131 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: what are some of the lessons that shaped you the most. 132 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: Well. I was really blessed because, as you know, my 133 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: dad was larger than life, and he included me in 134 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: his life. So even though I was just a little kid, 135 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: he had me sit in with him when he was 136 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: getting briefings on the issues of the day. He had 137 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: me travel with him when he was doing health care 138 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: hearings across the country, and he introduced me to all 139 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,119 Speaker 1: the people that were coming through our house or part 140 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: of the civic life of our countries, so that I 141 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: kind of felt like got a front row seat. It 142 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: reduced the kind of fear and the hesitancy to be 143 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: active because we had such great morale models to show 144 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: us what activism meant. 145 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: Amy, I like to say it that I think that 146 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: one of my superpowers is that I was raised in 147 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 3: a normal family, bringing the levelness of normalcy. Do you 148 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 3: find that as well, having you know, a very strong woman, 149 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: very accomplished woman, and you know, bringing up children in 150 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: this legacy, if you will, that could be larger than 151 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: life definitely. 152 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: I think it's been very grounding, not just for my kids, 153 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: but for Patrick as well. You know, it was when 154 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: Patrick left Congress and that had been his life. He 155 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 2: also that was the year that his dad had just passed, 156 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: and I think he was a little bit kind of 157 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: looking for roots, and even though he has this really 158 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: big family, to be able to kind of scale it 159 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: down to something that was in its simplest forms, being 160 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: able to come be part of my family, which has 161 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: just been really centered in South Jersey for you know, generations, 162 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: and we're tight knit, small school teacher family. One Christmas 163 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: he came and then he never left, and it was, yeah, 164 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: it was, you know, wonderful for our family, but also 165 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: I think really helped him kind of reset for a 166 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: life after DC that was going to be centered around 167 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: his own family. And for our kids, you know, there's 168 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: really cool things that they get to do. But then 169 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: there's also a little bit of my mom that you know, 170 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: comes into play where I'm saying, don't throw that out, 171 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: we need to you can eat that, you know, whatever 172 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: it is. That tailor's it back down to a different level. 173 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: And he always says, I swear your parents are still 174 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 2: living in the Great Depression. Why I use your mom 175 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: saving that tenfoil? You know, I was like, well, you'll say, 176 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: we're teaching the kids something. 177 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely coming up on my legacy, why silence never protected anyone, 178 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: and what it really takes to change the story for 179 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: the next generation, Like follow and share this with someone 180 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: who needs to hear this right now. Now back to 181 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: my legacy. 182 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 4: As my co hosts know, I've been especially excited for 183 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 4: this conversation because I want, through our listeners and viewers, 184 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 4: to talk more about mental health. It's personal and families 185 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 4: across America. It's personal in my family and Candor have 186 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 4: lost my sister for mental health issues after a long battle. 187 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 4: It changed my wife's life in the most profound way. 188 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 4: She went back to school, she got her doctorate, she 189 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 4: became a psychologist. She works in promotion prevention, the very 190 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 4: work that you do through the Kennedy Forum. And so 191 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 4: as I sit here with the two of you, I 192 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 4: love the fact that you have busted through stigma in 193 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 4: such a powerful way and through politics. But since we're 194 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 4: talking about, you know, all my legacy origin stories, I 195 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 4: got to go all the way back to the origin 196 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 4: because when I look at the courage. It took at 197 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 4: a very young age, Patrick, to be open, you know, 198 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 4: to battle addiction, bipolar disorder, rehabit eighteen. Yeah, can you 199 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 4: take us back to how that moment in your life 200 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 4: and frankly, how formative it was for you sitting here today. 201 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: Well, of course, in my family, even though we're big 202 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: in social justice like everyone else, we felt really imprisoned 203 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: by the shame and stigma of mental health and addiction issues. 204 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: We wouldn't talk about them, even though whereas I said, 205 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: we're very progressive in all the rest because the power 206 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: of shame and stigma are so strong. I did not 207 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: become a leader as some profile and courage that my uncle, 208 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: you know, wrote about profiles and courage. I reacted to 209 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: a situation where the fellow I had been in drug 210 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: rehab with had sold his story of being in rehab 211 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: with the Kennedy to the National Inquirer, And so I 212 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 1: had to see my own face on the cover of 213 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: the National Choir with the headlines Patrick Kennedy drug addict 214 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: and this is my going into my second term in 215 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: public office. Of course, I thought my political career was over. 216 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: This was back in nineteen ninety one when these were 217 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: really big issues. Of course, today nothing knocks you out 218 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: of the box because everything's fair game, but my constituency 219 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: was really something. They really didn't like what had happened 220 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: to me, and so they I was reelected. When I 221 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:44,479 Speaker 1: got to Washington, I could sponsor all this mental health legislation, 222 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: including the one that I kind of became known for, 223 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: which is the Mental Health Parody and Addiction Equedact. And 224 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: I was the first name on that bill. I was 225 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: the youngest member of Congress from the smallest state in 226 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: the country, and yet I got to put my name 227 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: number one on a bill that simply said that we 228 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: had to treat the brain like any other organ of 229 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: the body and have insurance coverage cover all the illnesses. 230 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to be champion of the And if you 231 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: had a bill with the title though had the words 232 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: mental in it and addiction, I mean what politician wants 233 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: to be the primary sponsor that? Because, of course the 234 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: next question is, well, do you have a mental health 235 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: issue or addiction issue? And no one wants to answer that, 236 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: because of course we all do, and so they don't 237 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: want to go down that rabbit hole. But for me, 238 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: since this guy kind of rated on me. I was 239 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: thrown out there and it ended up being one of 240 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: the greatest things that ever happened in my life. So 241 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: God works in mysterious ways, you. 242 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 5: Know, Patrick, we have a lot in cooming, but certainly 243 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 5: the significant and incredible family history. But also with that 244 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 5: comes great expectations and challenges that are larger than life. 245 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 5: I think about, and I'm grateful that my mom liberated 246 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 5: me as a young person by saying, you don't have 247 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 5: to be a minister, you don't have to be a 248 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 5: human and civil rights leader, you don't have to go 249 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 5: to Morehouse college. Just be your best self, and whatever 250 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 5: that is we will support. Now we know your uncle 251 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 5: Bobby and Jack fought for civil rights, and your whole family, 252 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 5: and of course, as you mentioned, your aunt starting special Olympics. 253 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 5: And your dad holds a special place in my heart 254 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 5: because one of the reasons I ran for office was 255 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 5: because of my serving as his page and seeing how 256 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 5: laws were made. So I was inspired by his leadership 257 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 5: throughout his life, as so many were as he became 258 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 5: the lion of the Senate. 259 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: Well, you know a lot of politicians when they leave 260 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: office say they're getting out of politics to spend more 261 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:59,479 Speaker 1: time with their family. My case, I went into politics 262 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: to closer to my family. When I got elected. My 263 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: cousin Joe was congressman, my dad was obviously senator, my 264 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: cousin Kathleen Lieutenanco or my cousin Mark in the state 265 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: House in Maryland. But I got to be with my 266 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: dad as a colleague, and then I got to have 267 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: meals with him throughout the week. We'd always do lunch together, 268 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: and so I had a chance to actually have a 269 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: really different relationship beside kind of father son. It was 270 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: kind of colleague, and I'm just so glad I had that, 271 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: because you know, if you're a son with such an 272 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: enormous figure as a father, it can be pretty intimidating. 273 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: And it not that it wasn't, but I felt enormously 274 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: blessed to have had the chance to actually be successful 275 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: in his domain of political life. As you know, these 276 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: people that were so impacted by our father's lives, you know, 277 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: I got a front row seat to hearing how their 278 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: lives were transformed by that service. So in a sense, 279 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: my uncles never got to hear about how much they 280 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: inspired and made a difference in people's lives. So I 281 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: had lots of positive reinforcement. You know, these days when 282 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: you think about politicians is just so negative and you know, depressing. 283 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: It's wondering anybody runs for office. But when I was 284 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: growing up, it was joyful, it was fun, it was interesting, 285 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: and so that's why I feel so blessed to have 286 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: been part of it. 287 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 3: Coming up on my legacy, Patrick Share is what it 288 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 3: felt like to break the silence his family had carried 289 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: for generations. And the greatest lesson he learned, like follow 290 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 3: and think about sending this to someone trying to do 291 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 3: it differently than their parents. Now back to my legacy. 292 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 4: Patrick, talk special Olympics with your family and civil rights 293 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 4: with your family, And I think that was very modest 294 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 4: of you because you didn't talk about the fact that, 295 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 4: in your own right, the two of you have carved 296 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 4: out mental health as the issue and we list all 297 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 4: the family accomplishments, and so again I just want to 298 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 4: go to this incredible work that you've done. And Patrick, 299 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 4: you've always been open on mental health issues. You've talked 300 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 4: about it, but the diagnosis of bipolar came later and 301 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 4: a lot of people struggle without understanding diagnosis. So can 302 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 4: you help us understand a little bit of what was 303 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 4: your own personal journey, to understand what you were experiencing 304 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 4: with the lens that that might help some of the 305 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 4: listeners who are searching on their own journey. 306 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: Well, you know, bipolar used to be known as manic depression. 307 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: So I experienced a lot of mania, and part of 308 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: the reason I was elected at twenty one to the 309 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: state legislature and then elected to Congress at twenty seven. 310 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: You'd tell you, well, what is anyone thinking doing that? 311 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: But I, of course I had this fueled by the 312 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: fact that my family did big things, So of course 313 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: part of me thought, well, I can do big things. 314 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: But you know, it was definitely over my skis, and 315 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 1: so there was that. And then self medicating with alcohol 316 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: and drugs was a way I used to manage those symptoms. Ironically, 317 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: I had the best psychiatrists in the world, but they 318 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: didn't often get the training and addiction. So I had 319 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: great psychiatrists, but you know, most clinician physical doctors oncology, 320 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: heart disease, diabetes, none of them get any training on 321 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: mental health and addiction, which if you're going to treat 322 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: your patients and you're an oncologist, being just diagnosing your 323 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: patient with cancer and you don't know how to treat 324 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: anxiety and depression, you're not doing your job. You're a 325 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: heart doctrin and you don't know that if underlying depressions 326 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: can increase your patient's chance for fatal heart type by 327 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: four times, if you're treating a diabetic and we know 328 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: how big that issue, and you're not addressing alcoholism. So 329 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: these are relevant issues because we think of them again 330 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: as isolation, but we have to think of the whole person. 331 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: So what I want in the future is when people 332 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: go to these other doctors as part of the health 333 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: for those illnesses. Mental health is part of it as 334 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: opposed to seeing, as I said again separate from the system, 335 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 1: which it gets pushed to the margins because it's not 336 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,239 Speaker 1: paid for rankly. And the parity law that I've been 337 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: working on, I've been trying to get the insurance companies 338 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: to comply with it, and I will say it's really 339 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: important for them to have transparency so we know what 340 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: the access is to diabetic care as opposed to depression, 341 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: anxiety or addiction care. There is enormous disparity, which means 342 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: people have to pay more for those health care services 343 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: because they're not accessible, they're out of network. Insurance companies 344 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: have kind of ghost networks. What we're doing here at 345 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: Lake Nona, and we have KPMG as one of our 346 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: big partners, is showing the cost to the whole life 347 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,120 Speaker 1: of the person, not just their other medical costs, but 348 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: the impact on their work world, how they're less engaged, 349 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: what they call presenteeism where they're there but they're not 350 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: really there, or absenteeism. You know, we've never fully managed 351 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: to understand the full impact of mental health and addiction. 352 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: I have just celebrated my fourteenth year of continuous sobriety. 353 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: I didn't get sober until I was forty two. I 354 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: was in and out of hospitals throughout my time in Congress, 355 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: and most of them were obviously all anonymous. I made 356 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: a big point, even though I'm the champion of anti stigma, 357 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: to not say that I'm going in there, because I 358 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: still felt the stigma. It's still very alive and well. 359 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: So I went to the Mayo Clinic rather than Hazelton 360 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: for my drug treatment because I thought if I went 361 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: to the Mayo Clinic, people might think I had a 362 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: real illness, you know, and that's when the height of 363 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: my you know, work on parody. So this is very still, 364 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: very stigmatized, and you know the best way to change 365 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: that is to normalize mental health as part of overall health. 366 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 5: So, in light of the fact that this is visible 367 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 5: to our society, I think, in general, what is the pushback? 368 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 5: Why are we not there yet? 369 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: Well, we're not organized. So when Amy ran for Congresses, 370 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, we could get five thousand teachers show up 371 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: all over our district. I couldn't get fifty mental health 372 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: people because they're not organized. We don't have a list serve. 373 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: It's as basic as that Martin where if you are running, 374 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: you get the afl CIO, you get the iron workers, 375 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: the she metal workers, the carpenters, the labors. In our place, 376 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: we have the opioid, we have the I'll call you. So, 377 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: we have the people who have families of overdose, who 378 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: families of suicide, schizophrenia. We're all siloed and yet all 379 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: of our issues benefit from ninety eight percent of the 380 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: same things. But as a community, we don't look at 381 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: each other as part of the greater whole, and so 382 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: we exacerbate our own advocacy efforts. Being so anemic and 383 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: we don't put the lights on the board. In terms 384 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: of our voter power, I mean, if you think about it, 385 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: you know the old Godfather movie, we're bigger than us 386 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: steel Like, we are the biggest special interest group in 387 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: the country that has no power, and so we need 388 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: to be organized. If you ask me what's one of 389 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: the biggest things we could do for our movement, it's 390 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: just to organize the advocacy community, to get the vote out, 391 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: to have an agenda where when people got elected they 392 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: know what they were voting for. Now we have politicians 393 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: telling us, oh, I have lived experience or I did this, 394 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: but we need to know what their positions are on 395 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: the big issues so we can hold them accountable and 396 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: if they're not doing what needs to be done, we 397 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: vote for someone who will. And if they know that 398 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: we're as big and as widespread as we are, they're 399 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: going to pay attention to us. So it's the old 400 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: you know, political power is really going to determine what 401 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: kind of system we have. And the reason we haven't 402 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: made the pushback is stigma's still live. As person in recovery, 403 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: I can say I'm in twelve step recovery that doesn't 404 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: violate what's known as the eleventh tradition in twelve step 405 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: recovery to be anonymous, because I haven't told you what 406 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: program I'm in, But a lot of people in twelve 407 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: step recovery think that they're not supposed to be public. 408 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,959 Speaker 1: We have twenty eight million Americans in long term recovery. 409 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: No one knows who they are because they're living in 410 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: church basements and they're anonymous. When I came back from 411 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: rehab in Congress, I was amazed to how many of 412 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: my colleagues had lived experience. Of course, none of them 413 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: knew each other. They all knew me because I was 414 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: all over the headlines, and so they all told me 415 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: who they were, but none of them knew who each 416 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: other were. And you know, you're not going to get 417 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: this political power unless you organize, and that's something we 418 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: really need to do. 419 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 3: One thing, though, you mentioned disparity, and the thing that's 420 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 3: very concerning is and you also mentioned early intervention. Well, 421 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 3: you know, right now, with so many cuts being made 422 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 3: to you know, Department of Education, and where this is 423 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 3: where some people, some families are getting their only intervention, 424 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: and there is a disparity even for access to services 425 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 3: that will help mental health. 426 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, when we talk about access and look at network 427 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 2: adequacy and what's possible, we want to make sure that 428 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 2: there's no wrong door. That's why schools can serve a 429 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 2: really important role in access and being able to make 430 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: sure that everybody has an available space that providers can 431 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: come in, that they can bill insurance from there. Because 432 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 2: we know that schools are not going to have the funding, 433 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 2: they're not capable of doing the billing. It's an administrative burden. 434 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: And yet this is where students need to be able 435 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,239 Speaker 2: to get the care to have the not only the 436 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 2: academic success that's going to change their trajectory on their 437 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: emotional wellbeing. But if we don't do these interventions and 438 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 2: we have to wait for a diagnosis, they'll wait ten 439 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: years for a diagnosis and during that time it metastasizes. 440 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 2: So we have to be able to get in early. 441 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: We need to make schools where they're spending the majority 442 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: of their day a place where they can access these services, 443 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 2: and that's not going to be through the school guidance counselor. 444 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 2: School guidance counselor is an essential part of the ecosystem 445 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 2: for providing care and helping to identify students that need help. 446 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: But you have to have licensed clinicians that are coming 447 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 2: in and providing the service or be able to refer 448 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 2: out to a community partner. And once they've set up 449 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 2: that full continuum of care that can begin with school 450 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: or can begin in the pediatrician's office with screening, Let's 451 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 2: make sure that that can follow them throughout their life 452 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: course and they can move in and out of that 453 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 2: regardless of whether or not there's a diagnosis. We need 454 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 2: to treat the symptoms that are impacting their daily life. 455 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 3: Interesting and now, Amy, I know as you've experienced that 456 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 3: mental health struggles don't just affect the person living with them, 457 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 3: they also deeply impact the people who love them. For 458 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 3: someone who has a family member diagnosed with bipolar disorder 459 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 3: but feels unsure of how to help, what's the one 460 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 3: thing that you would want them to know? 461 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: It absolutely impacts the whole family. There's a lot of 462 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: research around this. Some of the providers that are doing 463 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: this work have shown that just by providing treatment to 464 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: the individual that the famili's anxiety and depression are significantly reduced, 465 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 2: so by forty percent. So it's really a twofer by 466 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 2: supporting the person that you love, your own wellbeing is 467 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: going to be improved. You know, you find that you're 468 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 2: bringing the focus back to to how you're doing it. 469 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: It can be very hard, you know, you want to 470 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: share tasks equally, and so if Patrick is going to 471 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 2: a meeting at noon instead of you know, helping me 472 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: with something that I need, that's because that's his health 473 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: and he has to do that. And I wouldn't begrudge 474 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 2: him going for radiation or going to do some other thing. 475 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 2: But if his workout really is an essential part of 476 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 2: his well being, you know, he goes on that treadmill 477 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: because it helps his brain and it's boosting his endorphins, 478 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 2: and he's going to a twelve step meeting because that's 479 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 2: important to him, then we have to prioritize that and 480 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 2: make sure that there's a workaround. But he's also very flexible. 481 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 2: You know, he's doing this, he's we're in line at something. 482 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: He's got his twelve step meeting on his phone and 483 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 2: he's listening to it as we stand in line. So 484 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 2: he's trying to balance many things too. But I would 485 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 2: just say, especially in the first year, there's a lot 486 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 2: that has to be really prioritized around that person and 487 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 2: their wellness. So I am also I've been sober for 488 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 2: more than fourteen years because I'm supporting Patrick, and how 489 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,239 Speaker 2: much easier is that journey for him if he has 490 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 2: a partner who is with him in that. We're going 491 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: to events all the time, and you know, we're going 492 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: home together. So let's let's both be in the same page, 493 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 2: and we might at the same time go, Okay, I 494 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 2: think we better roll because they're getting they're getting a 495 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: little more fired up than than we are. So let's 496 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: go together. And so having that kind of understanding of 497 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 2: where we are comfortable and bedtime, all those things. We 498 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 2: never underestimate how important sleep is in this whole process. 499 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: But also we want to train up clinicians. To my point, 500 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: earlier cardiologists don't know about mental health. On coologists don't know, 501 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: and we need to upscale the rest of the medical 502 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: profession in addition to train up a whole new cohort 503 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: of providers. In the theoretical, but ultimately we have to do practically, 504 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,719 Speaker 1: meaning really see what kind of therapy works. Cognitive behavioral 505 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: therapy works. In my view, it's the evidence form of treatment, 506 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: which means you've got to do homework. Whoever knew that 507 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: therapy was just talking to someone you know every other 508 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: week for forty minutes. No, No, that's just the check in. 509 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: The Real work is what happens between therapy visits. And 510 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: here are the homework assignments where you can measure how 511 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: you're changing your thinking based upon how you're actually changing 512 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: your actions. So long story short, we have a deficit 513 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: of literacy in this whole space. We have to educate 514 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: everybody about what it really represents so that it's not 515 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: this mysterious thing. 516 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 4: There's so many amazing clips from this conversation that I 517 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 4: hope our listeners and viewers share with family and loved ones. 518 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 4: But I just want to shout out to you just 519 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 4: talked about CBT is what a great treatment option, cognitive 520 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 4: behavioral therapy. I love that you just talked about that, 521 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 4: and Amy, I love that you talked so openly about 522 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 4: the support that family gives and how you supported Patrick 523 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 4: on this journey and how it was good for your 524 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 4: own mental health. And the reason I want to shout 525 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 4: out to that also is because Patrick, you've talked about 526 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 4: how it really wasn't easy to share your story when 527 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 4: you spoke out, even family members you said were pushed 528 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 4: back candidly at the time, And can you help us 529 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 4: understand why do you think that was and also why 530 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 4: was it so important for you to push beyond that 531 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 4: yourself to be so open. 532 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: Well, everything that I thought was a secret in my 533 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: family was not a secret. Their whole rows of bookshelves 534 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: and libraries that tell all the stories that I thought 535 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: no one should know because it was a family, you 536 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 1: know ethos that we got to keep these things to ourselves. 537 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: So in a sense, I never said anything that wasn't 538 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: widely known anyway. But for family, it felt like a betrayal, 539 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: Like it felt like we were I was telling the secrets, 540 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: and that's indicative of everybody, because everyone else it is 541 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: a reveal. For my story, it was not a reveal, 542 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: but my family still thought it felt like a reveal. 543 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: Because growing up in a political family, people would attack 544 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: my family based upon experiences with alcoholism and addiction and 545 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: so forth, and so it became a very sensitive subject. 546 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: And of course these attacks were predicated on the idea 547 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: that there was some sign of moral failing. Right, no 548 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: one could if you wanted to look up post traumatic 549 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: stress in the dictionary. You know, one of the examples 550 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 1: would be my dad, you know, lost to his brothers 551 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: to assassination. Many Trump events. We're just starting to learn 552 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: about all of this stuff. This is no one, as 553 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: Amy says with about her students, gets up and acts out. 554 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: They just don't have the tools to know how to 555 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: manage their emotions their feelings. In my journey as an advocate, 556 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: I got a chance to rededicate the John F. Kennedy's 557 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: Special Warfare Center at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, where they 558 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: train all the Green Berets. And they told me there 559 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: because they saw that I was a mental health guy. 560 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: They said, mister Kennedy, we have more mental health for 561 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: our Green Berets than any other branch of the Service. 562 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: And I said to myself, these Green Berets don't need 563 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: mental health. They're so strong. They jump out of airplanes, 564 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: they swim under the water for five miles without breathing, 565 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: you know, they hit the beach, they speak six languages, 566 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: they take out their target, they're reading to their kids 567 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: by dinner time. I mean, these these people don't And 568 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: he said, no, no, we look at mental health as 569 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: a four multiplier. And I love that because what it 570 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: basically says, if the Green Berets, who are the sharpest, strongest, 571 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: they all invest in their own mental health. Why because 572 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 1: if they're on a mission, they have to. They can't 573 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: have any intrusive thoughts. So one of the things that 574 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: characterizes illnesses is you kind of have the inability to 575 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: have insight. For one, that's the common characteristic. You don't 576 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: know how bad you really are, but you also have 577 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: these intrusive thoughts, and the Green Berets just they train 578 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: on how to mitigate that, because if you have an 579 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: intrusive thought when you're supposed to have eyes on your six, 580 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: you know, your teammates and a mission, it could be 581 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: the difference between life or death. But I love the 582 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: idea that we all could maximize our own mental health 583 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: because that way we make it something that everybody can 584 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: do better by. 585 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,280 Speaker 4: Amy Patrick, thank you for being so vulnerable with us, 586 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 4: for sharing your story to make sure people don't suffer 587 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 4: in silence, to break through stigma, to invite others to share, 588 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 4: to create the conversation you have today, and then your 589 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 4: incredible advocacy on mental health that you have done for 590 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 4: both of your lifetimes. You know, Patrick and Amy were 591 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 4: grateful for you joining us today from the Lake Nona 592 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 4: Impact Forum at the KPMG Lake House in Orlando's Lake 593 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 4: Nona community. We're so grateful for you living your legacy 594 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 4: every single day and for showing us what change is 595 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 4: possible when we come together. 596 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,479 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for joining us. If you enjoy 597 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 3: today's conversation, subscribe, share, and follow us at my Legacy 598 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 3: Movement on social media. New episodes drop every Tuesday, with 599 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 3: bonus content every Thursday. 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