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Speaker 1: Hello, big news, Everybody Exactly writes newest podcast, Two Faced

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Speaker 1: John of God is out now.

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Speaker 2: This is our newest limited series about a Brazilian spiritual

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Speaker 2: healer who claimed he had the power to perform miraculous

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Speaker 2: medical procedures and the dark truth behind that mission.

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Speaker 1: And this is our first limited series presented in both

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Speaker 1: English and Spanish.

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Speaker 2: Hosted by journalist and A Donde media founder Martina Castro,

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Speaker 2: the series looks at how belief, power and silence allowed

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Speaker 2: one man to control his followers for decades.

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Speaker 1: You're about to hear episode one, entitled The Last.

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Speaker 2: Hope, and once you're hooked on the show, episodes two

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Speaker 2: and three are waiting for you over on the John

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Speaker 2: of God Feeds again, available in both English and Spanish.

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Speaker 1: New episodes of tooth Face John of God drop every

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Speaker 1: Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you

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Speaker 2: because it really helps new shows find their audience.

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Speaker 1: Now, please enjoy episode one of Exactly Right's newest podcast,

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Speaker 1: Too Faced John of God. Goodbye.

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Speaker 3: Please note that in this episode there will be a

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Speaker 3: graphic description of an invasive procedure. Listen at your own discretion.

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Speaker 4: By Clo said.

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Speaker 3: A large group of people is praying in Portuguese. They're

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Speaker 3: all dressed in white and seem to be in the

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Speaker 3: main hall of a social club or a community center.

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Speaker 3: But this isn't a normal spiritual gathering. An invasive medical

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Speaker 3: procedure is about to take place. This homemade video is

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Speaker 3: focused on a man who's standing on a small stage.

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Speaker 3: He's also dressed in white, with people huddled around him.

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Speaker 3: He's in his late sixties, with thinning brown hair and

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Speaker 3: a stocky build. There's a point where you can see

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Speaker 3: his demeanor change. His blue eyes grow wide and his

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Speaker 3: movements get slower. He's no longer himself Johnny, he tells

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Speaker 3: the crowd. He's now channeling the spirit of a well

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Speaker 3: known doctor who died in the nineteen forties. The man

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Speaker 3: who I'll call the doctor. At a certain point turns

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Speaker 3: to three people behind him on stage. They're holding metal

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Speaker 3: there's this one guy who sticks out. He's standing stiff

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Speaker 3: The doctor reaches into one of the trays with his

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Speaker 3: bare hand and picks up a long pair of surgical scissors.

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Speaker 3: He uses them to grab a piece of gauze and

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Speaker 3: dips it in water. He then goes up to his patient,

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Speaker 3: What happens next is as bizarre as it is disturbing.

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Speaker 3: The doctor tells his patient to open his eyes and

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Speaker 3: tilts his head back with his hand. He then shoves

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Speaker 3: starts twisting them like he's unscrewing the top off a bottle, Twisting, twisting, twisting,

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Speaker 3: sliding the scissors deeper. As he continues to twist. All

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Speaker 3: this time, the patient is grimacing, mouth wide open, but

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Speaker 3: the doctor pulls the scissors out of the patient's nose,

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Speaker 3: letting out a tiny stream of blood. The patient is

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Speaker 3: placed in a metal wheelchair, and as he's whisked away,

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Speaker 3: you see a smile spread across his face. The video

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Speaker 3: you just heard is from two thousand and nine, but

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Speaker 3: there are countless more online recorded over the span of decades.

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Speaker 3: They feature similar procedures, all performed by the same man,

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Speaker 3: the renowned spiritual healer Choau Dedos John of God.

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Speaker 5: A man who claims to work miracles and heal the sick.

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Speaker 5: He says he's a faith healer, and people from all

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Speaker 4: He had healed the wives of ministers, presidents and politicians,

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Speaker 1: Over the past four decades, John of God says he's

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Speaker 3: John of God claims to be a medium capable of

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Speaker 3: channeling spirits with tremendous powers, powers that can heal cancer

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Speaker 3: be invasive, like putting scissors up a patient's nose or

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Speaker 3: raping their eye with a knife, but more often, the

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Speaker 3: spirits have him conduct invisible surgeries, which he can do

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Speaker 3: This might sound crazy or very fringe, but I can

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Speaker 3: and doctors. Thousands of people have traveled to see John

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Speaker 3: of God at his quote spiritual hospital in southeast Brazil

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Speaker 6: Desperate, that's what I was weighing, freaking eighty pounds with

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Speaker 7: Me an Ganges they at Yakurama.

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Speaker 6: Nobody told me they were going to cure my father.

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Speaker 6: No doctor, neurologists, neurosurgeon, no one say they could cure him.

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Speaker 5: We went to the hospital, We went to multiple doctors.

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Speaker 3: I went there, you're playing with your belief because you

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Speaker 8: All you have is faith.

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Speaker 3: Faith. My name is Martina Castro. I've been an audio

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Speaker 3: journalist for twenty years, and while reporting this story, I've

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Speaker 3: meditated a lot on that word faith and on its power.

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Speaker 3: I'd say I'm a spiritual person. I'm both skeptical of

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Speaker 3: absolutely imagine myself getting on an airplane to the middle

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Speaker 3: of nowhere to find a miracle cure. But what this

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Speaker 3: story has gotten me to wonder is not about what

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Speaker 5: I simply thought that Juan's work was spiritual when I

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Speaker 8: Behind all of this.

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Speaker 3: Over the course of this series, you'll learn how John

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Speaker 8: He would always says, can you think they'll believe me

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Speaker 3: Or he will see fraud, sexual abuse and mysterious deaths.

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Speaker 7: It's very difficult, and it's very also lonely. One small

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Speaker 3: From Exactly Right Media and Adonde Media, this is two

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Speaker 3: This is me speaking broken Portuguese with a woman named Annaboula.

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Speaker 3: Despite our language barrier and spotty zoom connection, Anabola immediately

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Speaker 3: Anaballa's father was diagnosed with late stage brain cancer. After

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Speaker 6: I've always been a spirituist my entire life. I was

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Speaker 6: So I remember he had written some books, and I

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Speaker 6: be Joan of God's next miracle by jakabad All. My

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Speaker 3: Abadiana that's the small rural town in the middle of

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Speaker 5: Others people in desperate situations. They were dying and they

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Speaker 5: This guy's actually doing surgery and it's a miracle. I

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Speaker 5: When I arrived there, i'd been going through about a

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Speaker 5: my God, there's nobody else in the world that's ever

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Speaker 8: I want to help people.

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Speaker 5: Look at all the people He's helped millions of people,

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Speaker 3: Soon after moving to Abadianya, Michael became a tour guide

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Speaker 5: There many people that went there and said, I have

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Speaker 5: stage four cancer and it's Mostaticizing him in agony every

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Speaker 5: About a third of the people that came, or a

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Speaker 5: So a lot of people would go there and just say,

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Speaker 3: The experience at the Gasa takes place three days a week.

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Speaker 8: Oh clear, mylee.

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Speaker 6: The vibe there was just a wonderful vibe. I used

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Speaker 3: First of all, imagine that around seven am you start

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Speaker 9: And people are blissed out. Yeah, Like they're pretty they're

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Speaker 9: So I thought it's going to be rubbish, right, But

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Speaker 9: The power he radiates is like something from out of space.

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Speaker 2: Eli representav Pilar.

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Speaker 8: He represented a pillar of a labor of love by

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Speaker 3: Marcellos Toduto first arrived at the Casa back in nineteen

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Speaker 3: seek treatment for an illness. In Marcello's case, it was

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Speaker 3: wanted to meet Juau, John of God. He was very

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, vioma siste mach schagatti.

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Speaker 3: The routine at the GASA on visiting days was pretty

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Speaker 8: A primeda sala. So the first room was the large

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Speaker 3: In this first room, everyone sits and prays or meditates.

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Speaker 3: The goal is to clean everyone's energies so that by

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Speaker 7: In Ta ra komosi FOSSi.

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Speaker 8: So it was if we were going to compare it

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Speaker 1: At the Casa.

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Speaker 3: This is where you actually line up to see John

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Speaker 9: There's a massive que, like I'm talking, a huge queue

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Speaker 9: And they're meant to be sort of harnessing this huge

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Speaker 9: perform these incredible, you know, these miraculous deeds that he

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Speaker 6: Sometimes I would walk in that chain of prayers on

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Speaker 6: It was a very good feeling.

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Speaker 8: It was peace, had all my.

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Speaker 3: And all of this is happening before you've even talked

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Speaker 6: To die into imasure that would pass by the entity,

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Speaker 6: No several times I visited John of God and he

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Speaker 6: it's your energy, yes, and you represent your father, and

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Speaker 6: I believed it.

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Speaker 3: How did this happen? How did Joel gain almost blind

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Speaker 3: trust from his followers in the next episode, we learned

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Speaker 3: how Joel they shared the Faiah, became Joel de Dell's

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Speaker 3: John of God, this almost mythical leader of extreme power

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Speaker 3: and influence.

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Speaker 2: It is simply demonst true.

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Speaker 8: He has always been very pleased to be the greatest

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Speaker 8: healing in the world. Least i espressa vida in vanity

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Speaker 8: is expressed there.

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Speaker 7: So very quickly they learned that they had to protect

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Speaker 7: him and protect the possibility of him to cure people,

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Speaker 7: you know, to run the business. It's a business, and

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Speaker 7: everyone around him knew that they were part of the business.

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Speaker 6: And then there was a moment that was the crowning

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Speaker 6: of the expansion of the movement.

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Speaker 7: Of course, when Oprah Winfrey went.

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Speaker 3: Listen to Two Face John of God on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 3: dos Garas Juan de Dios. Two Faced John of God

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Speaker 3: is a production of Exactly Right Media and Adonde Media,

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Speaker 3: hosted and written by myself Martina Castro. Our senior producer

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Speaker 3: is Mariano Baschela. Reporting and fact checking by Iluisa Trajano.

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Speaker 3: Production assistance and research by Giovanna Romano Sanchez, sound designed

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Speaker 3: by Mauricio Mendoza and our mastering engineer is Martine Grus.

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Speaker 3: Original music was composed by Mariana Romano. The artwork is

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Speaker 3: by Vanessa Lilac. Anna Paula was interpreted by Giovanna Romano

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Speaker 3: Sanchez and Luciano Miranda by andres Caabacherro for Exactly Right Media.

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Speaker 3: The executive producers are Karen Kilgariff, Georgia hard Stark and

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Speaker 3: Danielle Kramer, with consulting producer Lilli Ladowig and associate producer

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Speaker 3: Jay Elias. A special thank you to Michael Bayli for

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Speaker 3: giving us permission to use audio from his recordings at

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Speaker 3: the GASA. He recently published a book about his time there,

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Speaker 3: called Cult of John The Secret Life of Joual de

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