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Speaker 1: for this? Chuck? Not only do I know where we're headed,

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Theater. Chuck, that's April five, that is right. And

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Speaker 1: it is April, and go to ticket fly dot com

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Speaker 1: to look up that show. Uh. Then, Chuck, in May,

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Speaker 1: Gothic Theater. That's right, And we may be adding a

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Speaker 1: So if you're in Denver, go to a x S

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Speaker 1: So come see us live. You're gonna love it, right, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: that's right. Welcome to Stuff you should Know from House

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and

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Speaker 1: there is Jerry Jerome Rowland. And so since the three

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Speaker 1: been in the clumsiest Yeah, not bad. It was pretty bad, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm thrilled about this one. Man. I love like mysteries,

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Speaker 1: fortune and fame and we're thinking about writing a book

428
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: and taking it on a lecture circuit. And that's where

429
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: that whole legend came from. So this isn't necessarily like

430
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 1: a huge thing like the mystery doesn't turn on this.

431
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: It's more like a lesson for historians and people who

432
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 1: who use historians and sources that it can still be

433
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: gotten wrong, like legends can still pervade into even official

434
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: histories of things too. And you've got to take this

435
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: stuff of a grain AsSalt. Yeah, and so shout out

436
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: to Demock's book Sunk without a Sound colon. Always gotta

437
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: have a colon. The Tragic Colorado River Honeymoon of Glenn

438
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 1: and Bessie Hyde. Um. It's one thing we got to

439
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: mention here about their trip up is that Glenn High

440
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: didn't jet down to the um to the Grand Canyon

441
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: River boat Shop and plunk down a thousand dollars on

442
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: the best boat he could find. He because he had

443
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: had met and was inspired by that Harry Galecky guy.

444
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: He's I'm gonna build this thing, and he did for

445
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: fifty bucks and took him a couple of days. He

446
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: built his own scowl named and clearly they had a

447
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: bit of sense of humor because he called it the

448
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: rain in the Face, which is very cute and kind

449
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: of fun um and that is what they launched. Uh,

450
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: that's what they launched. And they you know, they loaded

451
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: it up with UM supplies of course, their journals, UM

452
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: food they had. They even had a mattress in there

453
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: so they could sleep, which I thought was adorable. Which

454
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: actually I mean that gives you an idea of how

455
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: big this boat long five and a half feet wide,

456
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: and the California King mattress right in the middle of it,

457
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: right just hanging over the sides. But in getting wet,

458
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: that'd be so gross. Um. But the boat was open,

459
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: Like the sides were only three ft high and it

460
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: was an open boat. So they were living in this

461
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: boat and basically basically in a floating tent going down

462
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: the river in Uh. The one thing that Glenn did

463
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 1: not bring, and this is where I get a little confounded.

464
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: For an experienced UM river boatman, he he didn't bring

465
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: life jackets, which is weird. He didn't bring life jackets

466
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: precisely because he was an experienced river boatman. Yeah, I

467
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: still thinks that's odd. So you get the impression when

468
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: you hear that that like he just refused to take

469
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: life jackets that he was just this kind of like

470
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: laugh in the face of danger fool um and to

471
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: an extent like that is foolish, but every extent sure.

472
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like it was just him like that's

473
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: that was the culture of the river boatman in Idaho

474
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: or the people that he knew and and boted with

475
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: like that, you just didn't wear life jackets. It wasn't

476
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: It just wasn't done. You didn't need them as if

477
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: you had any kind of experience, you didn't even need

478
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: to take him on an expedition through the Grand Canyon.

479
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: And that's why he didn't bring them. Yeah, I'm not

480
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: sure I buy that though, because at some point they

481
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: met up with another very famous boatman named Emery Coleb

482
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, you guys should have these life jackets,

483
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: um inexperienced boatman, and it's there's no shame in that,

484
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: and Glenn said, no, no, thank you. Yeah. I think

485
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: he just was not He was used to different rivers

486
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: than this one. I think there was a different boating

487
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: culture on the Colorado than there was a long say,

488
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: like the Salmon Well. H Emory Colb, for his part,

489
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: said later on, he said, you know, we we hung

490
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: out for a little bit and um, my take at

491
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: least is that Bessie was kind of ready to quit.

492
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean this is after they had made their way

493
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: through Labyrinth, Stillwater and Cataract Canyon, and so they had

494
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: been been at it for a little while by the

495
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: time they met him at Bright Angel Creek, and um,

496
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, I don't think she was so into

497
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: it at that point. Yes, So so let's just step

498
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: back for a second. They launched on October and they

499
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: made it. So they launched from Green River, Utah. Have

500
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: have you looked at a map and seen what they

501
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: did in a boat. It's insane how what they just

502
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: even considering doing this. But the fact that they made

503
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: it as far as they did is pretty pretty incredible.

504
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: But they launched from Green River, Utah, on the Green River,

505
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: followed it down to where it met the Colorado, made

506
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: it all the way into the Grand Canyon, UM, and

507
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: then stopped and met Emory called on twenty six days

508
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: into their journey. Okay, And so when they get out

509
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: the day they met Emory called, they were basically resupplying,

510
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: restocking um with supplies. And there's there's different um, there's

511
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: different descriptions of how best his attitude was toward the

512
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: trip from that same day because in addition to um

513
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: meeting Emery Cole, they met a bunch of people. They

514
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: went and had dinner at the hotel, and I think

515
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: they spent the night in the hotel and then set

516
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: out again the next day. But the day that they

517
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: disembarked from their boat, hiked up the trail um to

518
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: like this Grand Canyon village where a lot of people

519
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: in tourists were. They met a Denver Post Dispatch reporter

520
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: and Bessie told them straight up, she said she's having

521
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: the time of her life. Um that she's enjoying every

522
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: thrilling minute of it. And then you know, the next day,

523
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: Emory coleb says that he spoke to her and she

524
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: wanted to quit, and Glenn was urging her on. Now

525
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: comes another legend that's developed. And if you go on

526
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: like some of these river guide tours down on the

527
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: Grand Canyon and they talked to you about the hides,

528
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: the way that it's usually painted is that Glenn was

529
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: basically a wife beating brute who forced Bessie into this

530
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: this adventure scheme again for fame or fortune, and even

531
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: when she wanted to quit, he kept pressing her along

532
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: against her will. Well, what that reporter didn't mention is

533
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: that she was spelling help with her foot in the

534
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: dirt as they were talking. He just failed to look down.

535
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it's I mean, who knows. I mean, part

536
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: of the fun of this mystery is that it was

537
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties and um, everyone you know is kind

538
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: of grasping at straws here trying to figure this thing out.

539
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't like super documented like today. There would be

540
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen thousand pictures before they even launched on Facebook,

541
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: right exactly, all taken by them, even selfies. Although it

542
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: is interesting to me like they were, Um, they had

543
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: set out at an age when when like you had

544
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: to be fairly well off to have a camera. But

545
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: at the time, the Grand Canyon was just becoming a

546
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: tourist attraction for the fairly well off, So there were

547
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: people with cameras around there, and there are so like

548
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: you said, there are pictures of him, which makes it

549
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: the whole thing to me even more interesting. Like I

550
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: if I hadn't seen pictures of them, I don't think

551
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: I would find the mystery quite as interesting. But to

552
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: see them, you know, with pictures taken by like the

553
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: last person who saw them alive. It just adds like

554
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: a certain interesting element to it. Maybe creepiness, I don't know,

555
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: maybe humanity, I'm not sure, pathos how about all that stuff?

556
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: All right, So that last person to see them alive

557
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: was a man named Adolph Sutro, and he met them

558
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: at the river as well. Like you said, there were

559
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people around, and he was an adventurous guy.

560
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: And I think he saw this rain in the face

561
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: boat and said, oh daddy, I gotta take a ride

562
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: in that thing. That thing's crazy. It's a direct quote. Yeah,

563
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: and they said, true man, jump on in. So he

564
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: actually rode along for a day, which was the plan.

565
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: He mean, he wasn't like, I'm gonna finish the trip

566
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: with you. He said, ones, you just take me down

567
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: for a day and then I'll hike out at Hermit Creek.

568
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: And that's what they did. But he spent you know,

569
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: a full a full day with them and then disembarked

570
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: and basically that was it. He was the last person

571
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: to ever see them. Yeah, and he took a photo

572
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: of them, I guess before they disembarked. Um. And that's

573
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: the last known photo of them. Uh, and he's the one.

574
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: He's the eye witness that Doc Marston interviewed thirty years later,

575
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: who supposedly said that they were talking about writing a book,

576
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: which is not necessarily in dispute, right, but by that

577
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: point they may have been like, man, we should totally

578
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: write a book about this. Yeah, exactly. They would have

579
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: met a lot of people who would have said, you,

580
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, you'll be the first woman who's ever run

581
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: this river, and um, yeah, it doesn't there's nothing. There's

582
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: nothing to say that they they set out to do that,

583
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: but that you know. Of course they could have thought

584
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: of it along the way, right. So the ultimate plan

585
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: was to eventually finish up in Needles, California on December night. Um,

586
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: of course they did not show, and immediately Glenn's dad, uh, Roland,

587
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: which was I guess Glenn was a junior exl was

588
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: his middle name. Um or maybe not, but that was

589
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: his middle name. Roland gets worried and immediately goes to

590
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, thinking, you know, something's wrong here because I

591
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: know my son and he would have been where he

592
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: said he was going to be unless something was up. Yeah.

593
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: He like just immediately was like he didn't sit around

594
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: a way to see if maybe a couple of days.

595
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: He immediately left for Las Vegas to to to basically

596
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: set up a telegraph campaign to get help to try

597
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: to find his boy and his daughter in law. R Yeah,

598
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean it must have been such a lonely proposition

599
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: back then to try and wrangle and get the word out.

600
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: It was just so limited with the press and everything.

601
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: Like he did though, I mean he had there were

602
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: multiple river parties, they were all looking very soon. He

603
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: hired very smartly a native American tracker or more than

604
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: one to search the rim. And somehow he had a

605
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: connection with the government or or least earned one because

606
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: Dwight Davis, the Secretary of War, he convinced him to

607
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: get military planes looking out. From what I understand, he

608
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: managed to get a message to Calvin Coolidge, the President,

609
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: who then directed them the Secretary to to get planes out.

610
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: And these planes that that joined the search that it

611
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: actually worked. Um, they were the first airplanes to ever

612
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: fly over the Grand Canyon, and they paid off because

613
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: they actually found the boat from the air. That's how

614
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: they found it. Yeah, December nineteenth, one of the planes

615
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: saw the rain in the face and it was kind

616
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: of snagged in the river, kind of right in the

617
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: middle of the river, right at mile two thirty seven.

618
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: And they reported back and said, hey, this thing is

619
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: not in pieces. Um, it actually looks pretty undisturbed. And

620
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: immediately Rollin Hyde said, wow, that this is great news.

621
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: You know, they maybe are alive somewhere. So he hits

622
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: the road, um, searches out those Cole brothers that we

623
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: already mentioned. He sets up for Peach Springs, Arizona with

624
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 1: a plan for them to lead him down there and uh,

625
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: salvage this boat at mile that was I guess this

626
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: boat was just sitting there and they decided to use it. Yeah,

627
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: so the Grand Canyon River people knew of a boat,

628
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: and rather than take a boat a mile hike a

629
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: vertical mile hiked down to the river, they just they

630
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: went to a boat that they knew was there and

631
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: fixed it. But it took like two days for them

632
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: to fix it. And I don't think that the um

633
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: that Mr Hyde Glenn's dad was actually on this expedition.

634
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: I think he was either at the rim and the

635
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: village or back in Las Vegas waiting to hear news

636
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: about it. But they they they took two days to

637
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,800
Speaker 1: fix the boat, and I think like a full five

638
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: days after the boat was first spotted. Um, they set

639
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: out on December to go get it. Yeah, Christmas Eve.

640
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: I mean, bless the hearts of these people that like

641
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: leave their families on Christmas Eve to go try and

642
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: find these strangers for this dude. I don't see anything

643
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: about reward money. There may have been some involved, but

644
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, they went out on Christmas Eve. Finally, Christmas

645
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: morning they come up on their boat and it sort

646
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: of had a Merry Celeste vibe going on, and that

647
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: it was just sitting there in a calm pool. Um,

648
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: it was not damaged noticeably, except you know, it obviously

649
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: took a little bit of a beating on the trip,

650
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: but it was in fine shape. And all of their

651
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: stuff was there, which is really super creepy. Yeah, I

652
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: mean like their food, their their clothes, their um money,

653
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: their gun, Bessie's diary which would be important later on. Um,

654
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: like all this stuff. It was undisturbed, untouched, The boat

655
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: was intact, and they were nowhere to be found. The

656
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: search party looked all over for him, shouted for him.

657
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: They were just not with the boat very creepy and uh,

658
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the good news is even though

659
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: they didn't find them, is that Rolin still had hope

660
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: because they were like, hey, they they clearly h had

661
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: left had not left this boat intentionally, right, So they

662
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: just cut the boat free after they salvaged everything they

663
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: could from it. And it makes me wonder whatever became

664
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: the boat, because this thing was about as sturdy as

665
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: a boat could be. So I wonder if it floated

666
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: all the way down to the Pacific and it's just

667
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: out there somewhere or sunk somewhere in the Pacific. You

668
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: never know. This is a Glenn Hide built boat, man,

669
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: it's possible it's still out there floating around. Should we

670
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: take a break, Yeah, let's all right, Well we'll take

671
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: a break. We'll come back and talk about the uh,

672
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: the further attempts to locate them and some of the

673
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: ideas on what may have happened. Alright, so the boat

674
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: has been found, they're not there, no trace of them. Um.

675
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: Dad goes back home and is very sad and starts

676
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: to kind of think of what to do next. Starts

677
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: poring over Bessie's journal for clues. Uh, and of course

678
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: kind of as soon as this thing happens, people start

679
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: theorizing on what may have happened to them. Yeah, man,

680
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: this search for these these people, especially once airplanes were involved,

681
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: there was national news like the whole country was keeping

682
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: up with this. UM. So a lot of people formed

683
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: opinions about this pretty quickly, especially the river people around

684
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon to you know, those river people. A

685
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: lot of people thought that there um, especially later on,

686
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: UM that Glenn had forced um Bessie into this and

687
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: so he took on this this caricature of a brute

688
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: again wife beating husband who had either had probably just

689
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: hit Bessie one time too many, and she killed them

690
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: and then hiked out of the Grand Canyon and took

691
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: a bus east to to start a new life. That

692
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: was That was a predominant theory. I think it's still

693
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: a predominant theory today. Yeah, I mean there are some

694
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: weird things have happened over the years. There have been

695
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 1: more than one woman have claimed to be Bessie Hyde,

696
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: most notably this woman named Georgie White, who was a

697
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: very experienced in her life. UM. After this, you know,

698
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: this period of time, at least very experienced UM boats

699
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: person and navigator of wild Rivers. I mean, she was

700
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: on the Johnny Carson Show, she was in Time in

701
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: Life magazine, and she really made a name for herself.

702
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: And at one point she claimed, uh, she claimed to

703
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: be Bessie Hyde and even had the marriage certificate in

704
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: her belongings, which is, yeah, that was weird. It's very weird.

705
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: And I've seen zero explanation of how she got that

706
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: and why she got it. The closest thing to an

707
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: explanation I've seen, and this was found after her death

708
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: in among her belongings. Um, so it's not like she's

709
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: like I got the wedding certificate. It was like just

710
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: a mystery within a mystery why this particular lady had

711
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: this wedding certificate. And they dug a little deeper and

712
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: found that on her birth certificate she was born Bessie

713
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: that was her real name. But uh, later on bred

714
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: Dimmock compared the two and like that it was definitely

715
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: not the same woman. They didn't look alike, Yeah, they looked.

716
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: I looked as many pictures as I could side by side,

717
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: and I thought, it's doesn't quite look like her, But

718
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: it wasn't so unlike her that it was impossible to me.

719
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: One of the things um Denmark put up was that, um,

720
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: Georgie White was not precisely literate. She was an illiterate.

721
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: She just was not the literate type. She wasn't a poet,

722
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: and Bessie Hyde was, yeah, a poet and she know it.

723
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: You know, I'm barely literate too. Uh. That historian you

724
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: were talking about otis Marshton. Um. He thought that there

725
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: was this uh at mile thirty two, a very violent rapid.

726
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: He said, that's where I think they crashed. Um and

727
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: very importantly, like I just figured, yeah, they probably crashed

728
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: or you know, one of those sweeps because those things

729
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: were crazy knocked them off and they drowned. But why

730
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: in the world weren't their bodies found? And you dug

731
00:41:54,239 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: into um Demo's book and apparently, Um, I mean, how

732
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: many were there between eighteen eighty and nineteen thirty five? Uh?

733
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: There they Some people have performed a study I think

734
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: of ten. Ten. Well, no, this was in a study.

735
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: These were real drownings, right, they surveyed real drownings for

736
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: a study, I think, is what I meant. Okay, Uh,

737
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: they did ten. There were ten life jacket lists drownings

738
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: between eighteen eighty and nineteen thirty five, and only three

739
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: of those bodies were recovered. And these things would go

740
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: a long way. I think it was an average of

741
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: like nineteen and a half miles from where they drowned

742
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: four and a half days later. I think it says

743
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: forty one and a half days later. Well, demox books

744
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: is nineteen a half miles right, and forty one and

745
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: a half days later, nineteen and a half miles down

746
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: below the po and a half days later. That's in

747
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: like six point Yeah, no, I know it's tiny, but

748
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: the the His point is that statistically speaking, Glenn and Bessie,

749
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,479
Speaker 1: had they drowned owned at mile market to thirty two,

750
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: which uh we'll talk about in a second, why that's

751
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: probably the case UM. When they finally did surface again,

752
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: it would have been below where the search party stopped looking,

753
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: but above where later search parties started looking. So they

754
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: would have come up at just the right geography, just

755
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: the right distance from where they drowned to evade search,

756
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: and then at just the right time that UM people

757
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: would not have been looking for them right then. And

758
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: he also points out that the the UM winter of

759
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: nine there was historically low um River flow and so

760
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: they may have surfaced, and if they had, the current

761
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: would have been slow enough that they would have washed

762
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: ashore in a very very remote place, and that they

763
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: would have been um picked clean basically by the buzzards

764
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: in the area. And then once the river flowed again

765
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 1: very heavily in the spring, their bones would have been scattered.

766
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: There just wouldn't have been any trace of them whatsoever.

767
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: Which I mean initially when I thought about that, I

768
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: was like, no way they pop up. But after hearing

769
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: that stuff, it's quite likely that that it was just

770
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: a regular disappearance. They drowned and just were never found. Yeah.

771
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: And and Dimock makes a really great case at the

772
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: end of his book, and it does a really good

773
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: like he like, he's very it's just the humanity of

774
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: the case has clearly gotten to him because he and

775
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: his wife did the same thing um and a scow

776
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: like they rebuilt, they recreated the scow. So he really

777
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: got into these people's heads or they got into his there.

778
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: And the reason why Mile thirty two is what um

779
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: bred Dimmock and then earlier Doc Marson think is the

780
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: place where they died is if you look along the

781
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: Colorado River. Wherever there are rapids, it's because the canyon

782
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: is emptying like a side river into the Colorado River,

783
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: right it right, so it pushes the Colorado River up

784
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: against the canyon wall on one side, and then that's

785
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: your rapid. That's what you want to shoot, because this

786
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: this canyon has been feeding into the Colorado for so

787
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: many hundreds of thousands or millions of years that it's

788
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: worn down right there, so it's it's relatively deep and

789
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: boulder free. But there are two spots that that have

790
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: rapids on the Colorado River where this isn't the case.

791
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: Where the water from an incoming canyon pushes the river

792
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: up against some very treacherous rocks. And one of them

793
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: is Bedrock rapids, which is one place where Glen and

794
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: Bessie wrecked, the one place they did wreck and had

795
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: to repair their boat for two days. And then the

796
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: other places mild to thirty two rapids which are called

797
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: um killer Fangs falls, uh, and that's mild to thirty two.

798
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: And they think that they just simply didn't make it,

799
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: whether they got thrown over the boat and drowned or

800
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: one of them got thrown out and the other one

801
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: jumped in after them that that their boat just didn't

802
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: make it through there. But the boat did it, just

803
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: didn't make it with them on it, Yes, which would

804
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: to me indicate maybe those sweeps did knock them out.

805
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: It's entirely possible those things had done it before. Both

806
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: of them had been knocked out by sweeps during the

807
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: during the trip already. Hats off to Mr Brad Demock.

808
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: And if you were listening, sir, uh, what a great

809
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: piece of investigative journalism. Uh. And like he said, when

810
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: he and his wife made this trip in their own scale, Um,

811
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: they had helmets and life jackets, and they knew the

812
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: river and they had a motorized boat following them, so

813
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: they had all the safety precautions. Um. And it was

814
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: still a rough trip. Yeah, they he said, they were

815
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: like bruised and bloody from those sweeps themselves too. So

816
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: some of the other weird things that have happened over

817
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: the years. There was Demock interviewed, uh in one these

818
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: people on a commer trip. Um. They were sitting around

819
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: by the campfire as you do after a long day

820
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: of boating, and one of the women said that she

821
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: was Bessie Hyde and one of the other people said,

822
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: what did you do with Glenn kind of ha ha,

823
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: and she said, I killed him, apparently without looking up. Um,

824
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: she stabbed him and hiked out to Arizona. Then did

825
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: catch that bus back east, which is a little creepy. Uh.

826
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: And then at one point also there was a bullet

827
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: pierced skull found in a garage of a river guy

828
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: that had passed away. That's Emory Colb Yeah, and Glenn Hyde.

829
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like a big jump to just say, hey,

830
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: was that Glenn Hyde all of a sudden, But people did, right,

831
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: they did, and I think they still do. But I

832
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: think in two thousand so Emory Cole died in and um,

833
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: when they were going through his belongings his family, they

834
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: found in a boat that he had stored in his

835
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: garage a man's skeleton with like clothing on and everything

836
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: still and the skull had a bullet hole in it.

837
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: So of the first thing everyone said was Glenn Hyde.

838
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: It's like that mystery is one of the big legends

839
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: of the Grand Canyon, right, So, um, they figured out

840
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't Glenn Hyde pretty quickly. I think he was

841
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: a different statue or whatever. But they didn't know who

842
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: it was, and they think now that it was a

843
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: victim of suicide from N three who was found in

844
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: by a botanist back then, and for some reason Emery

845
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: Cole got his hands on the guy skeleton and kept

846
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: him in a boat in his garage for all those years.

847
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: So that's normal, right. I don't know why you would

848
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: do that. It says a lot about the dude. Maybe

849
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: he just felt sorry for him because nobody claimed him.

850
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: Maybe he was a ghoul. I don't know, but it wasn't.

851
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't um glenn Hyde for sure. So that's it.

852
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Speaker 1: It's it's not like the case of settled that's the

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Speaker 1: great thing. It's it's like, that's just bread Demock's opinion.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily mean that happened. But again he knows

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Speaker 1: more than anybody, and he's probably right if you ask me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this one will never be settled. No, because maybe they

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Speaker 1: might find some bones somewhere one day, who knows. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, Chuck, but that would be the only thing,

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Speaker 1: So that would be something. Or if they found the

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Speaker 1: scow floating around in the Pacific would be cool. Uh,

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Speaker 1: are you got anything else? Nothing else? Well, If you

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Speaker 1: want to know more about the disappearance of Glenn and

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Speaker 1: Bessie Hide, go read Sunk without a Sound The Tragic

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Speaker 1: Case of Glenn and Bessie Hyde by Brad Demmock. Right.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Uh. And since I said that it's time

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Speaker 1: for a listener, ma'am, I'm gonna call this eulogy for

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Speaker 1: a teacher. This is from Caissa. Hey, guys, today I

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Speaker 1: found out that a teacher who was a big influence

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Speaker 1: on me, uh in my life long love of learning

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Speaker 1: has passed away over the weekend. It just breaks my heart.

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Speaker 1: She's the reason I listened to you, guys, because without

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Speaker 1: her influence, I highly doubt it would have loved school

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Speaker 1: as much and would not enjoy the process of learning

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Speaker 1: as much, which is why I keep coming back to

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Speaker 1: you guys. Jane Mobley was her name. She was my

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Speaker 1: teacher uh third and fourth grade, and then amazingly we

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Speaker 1: both changed schools and she ended up being my teacher

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Speaker 1: in the fifth grade. She taught English and history and

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Speaker 1: did things like give us creative writing promos by having

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Speaker 1: us all bring in a crazy shoe and write a

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Speaker 1: story about another students shoe. Weird things like that that

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Speaker 1: are why I love writing to this day. And not

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Speaker 1: only was she amazing teacher, but also very kind hearted.

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Speaker 1: I grew up quite poor and my mom was a

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Speaker 1: single mom, raising my sister and me on her own.

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Speaker 1: When my backpack broke in the fifth grade, my mom

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Speaker 1: did not have any way to buy me a new

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Speaker 1: and um Miss Mobile knew my mom's situation, and one

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Speaker 1: day before recess asked me to stay behind for a

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Speaker 1: was going to pay for a backpack for me with

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Speaker 1: her own money, and not just any old backpack. She

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Speaker 1: bought me the very popular at the time l L

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Speaker 1: Bean with my own initials and everything. My mom was

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Speaker 1: very grateful for kindness, as was I. Miss Mobile passed

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Speaker 1: away January one will be greatly missed by all her

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Speaker 1: students and family. She was very much loved. That is

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Speaker 1: from Carissa, and it just seemed like something we should

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Speaker 1: we should highlight because teachers are have a lot of

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Speaker 1: impact on kids and and throughout the years, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Miss Mobile touched very very many students like that, so

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Speaker 1: that's just wonderful. That'd be cool to hear from other

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Speaker 1: people with a Miss Mobile story too. You know for sure. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you have a miss mobile story, we want to

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Speaker 1: hear it. Actually, you can tweet to us at Josh

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Speaker 1: M Clark or at s Y s K podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can join us on who is That from Chuck Carrissa,

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Curissa. You can join us on Facebook

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Speaker 1: dot com slash stuff you Should Know or slash Charles W.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant. You can send us an email the Stuff

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Speaker 1: podcast at how stuff Works dot com and has always

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Speaker 1: Should Know dot com. For more on this and thousands

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