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Speaker 4: No, it's not about I think that. As far as

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Speaker 4: And the toothbrush itself was sixteen dollars, but it came

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Speaker 4: So I was like, well, this isn't too bad. So

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Speaker 4: upgrade in the toothbrushes. Now this kind is it's almost

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Speaker 4: fuck that. Let me get the rabbit and collar that day.

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Speaker 4: I got like the toothbrush, all right, I'm like, you

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Speaker 4: And I'm good with that when you're all satisfied, because

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Speaker 4: when youre talking about taking care of yourself, when you

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Speaker 4: say little things, it is little things. I realized, these

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Speaker 4: little things like now only upgrading toothbrush. Toothbrush is your

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Speaker 3: far as we know, you started getting surgery and hormone

434
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 3: stuff and whatnot. And that's when people start on the

435
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 3: outside being like, oh, this person is transitioning to something else.

436
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 3: But like I said, if you listen to and I

437
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 3: think even the word trans is kind of a approximation,

438
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: like because we don't really have the right words for

439
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 3: a lot of like you feel like you were born

440
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: a woman, you feel like you were born a man.

441
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 3: You you know, you don't we our society doesn't really

442
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 3: handle that well. When you're born, you got to put

443
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: something on a birth certificate and you don't get to

444
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 3: check to pick that. Someone has to name you, someone

445
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 3: puts what clothes on you? Someone you know, like we

446
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 3: you know, society kind of maybe for expedient stake or

447
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: whatever the fuck, you know, maybe people just don't have

448
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 3: time to change the whole world. But we kind of

449
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: like filter people into one or the other just because

450
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 3: that's how we're conditioned. So I think to hear people

451
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 3: that are outside of this quote unquote box, people want

452
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: to put them back in this box. Like, so we

453
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: want to have a neat timeline of like and at seventeen,

454
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 3: you transition to a woman, so you were a man

455
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 3: before that, or you were or vice versa. Because trans

456
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 3: men get left out of this conversation every time like

457
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 3: it's like like right, like soon as a trans man,

458
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: there's no way that people are gonna be like, well,

459
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 3: you existed as a woman for all this time, so

460
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 3: you have a lot of authority to tell women what

461
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: to do because before you trans, like people just leave

462
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 3: them out of conversation like that didn't that's not even

463
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: a thing. But uh yeah, so so you have. I'm

464
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 3: just going by the words of the people who live

465
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: the experience. I find it odd that people are so

466
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 3: I shouldn't say odd. It's kind of predictable that people

467
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 3: want to protect the people that are their favorites. And

468
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 3: I also think it's predictable that people like call themselves allies.

469
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: They say they support transgender people, but then they talk

470
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 3: right over them. You know, Like there's a lot of

471
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 3: outlets for people to be educated or to just at

472
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: least elevate and hear transgender people in their own words,

473
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 3: Like I listened to a Black Girl Dangerous podcasts. You know,

474
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 3: you follow people on Twitter and and here and get

475
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: get the words from their mouths, because what I saw

476
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 3: was that a lot of transgender people were speaking for

477
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 3: themselves and saying this is my problem. And I saw

478
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: a lot of cis gender people, black black women too,

479
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 3: like literally being like, fuck what you're saying. This is

480
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 3: how I view it and that's the only way to

481
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 3: view it. Like there's no your experience doesn't matter to me.

482
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 3: I don't really see how much different that is from

483
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 3: when white women speak forever they think they're speaking for

484
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: all the feminists, and shit, I don't see how it's

485
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 3: that much different when you have the people like it

486
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 3: wasn't about cis gender people having this woke off where

487
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 3: they were arguing with each other. It literally was people

488
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 3: transgender people were They were putting their thoughts right on

489
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 3: the timelines, right out there on social media. They were

490
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 3: writing it down, they were sharing things. They were talking

491
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: about this idea that there was male privilege inherent and

492
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 3: being a transgender uh woman, and they were explaining like

493
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 3: this is why this is not true, and people were

494
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 3: just being like fuck that shit, like I don't have

495
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 3: to listen to that. Timanda is my faith. And also

496
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 3: I agree with her and she didn't say this, and

497
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: she didn't say that, while I mean, the words are

498
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: right here and that people were explaining like I wish

499
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: she would have said. She should have said, you get

500
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 3: a trans women are women, not trans women are this

501
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: other category, but we are women as well. You know,

502
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you're not disrespecting our It's not disrespecting someone's

503
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: experience to say in this category of women, there is

504
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 3: just so many other experiences and this is just one

505
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: that I'm not familiar with or I don't have. But

506
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 3: it doesn't make it any less valid of an experience.

507
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 4: You know.

508
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: Laverne Cox goes with it too, this like Twitter thing

509
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: where she was talking about like how she grew up,

510
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 3: and you know, she was like, I asked my brother,

511
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 3: did I have male privilege growing up as a kid?

512
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 3: Liked like, how did how do you think people saw me?

513
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: You know, and she was saying, how like that it

514
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: didn't exist in the way that this promotes. You know,

515
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: I think also, and I'm sorry, keep going, but I

516
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 3: think also this shit is like the examples that people

517
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 3: have seen promoted before them are like Caitlyn Jenner and

518
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: there's and there's like that, and like that is the

519
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: like probably least typical example of trans what it would

520
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: be like to be transgender. But yet that is kind

521
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: of the go to spokes person in a lot of

522
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: people's minds, so they really do think it's a bunch

523
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: of people that are like, I just decided at some

524
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 3: point that I was going to just change and I

525
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 3: was going to speak for everybody, and I'm gonna still

526
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: keep my views that you know, if you put a

527
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: blank sheet of paper then put a picture up, and

528
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 3: just put down the views of Caitlyn Jenner on the

529
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: sheet of paper, most people will say, oh, that is

530
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 3: a rich, white Republican male without without putting up a picture.

531
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: You just if I was just like, oh, this person's

532
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: against this, this, this, and this, you'd be like, oh, well, yeah,

533
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: that that's you know. So there's people that are like, well,

534
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: that's that's just what transgender is. Just this one day

535
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: you decide and one day you just changed, but nothing

536
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: else really changed. But it's like, we have so much

537
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: evidence to the contrary. That's not what life is for

538
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: transgender people. So I think it's kind of interesting to

539
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: see people line up to battle over it when I think,

540
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 3: you know what I did, I just retweeted the people

541
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 3: that were actually trains that were talking about this to

542
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: be like this is how they feel, So how can

543
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: fuck can we just be like not fucking you wrong?

544
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: Like nah, that ain't. That's not right. You you don't

545
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: know what you're talking about. You know. It just felt weird,

546
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: you know. And at the same time, I didn't want

547
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: to argue with any black women about how they felt,

548
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: really because that's their experiences women, Like, as a man,

549
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: I don't want to come in and be like, you're wrong.

550
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: You can't say that because da da da da da.

551
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: It's just but I just know on the power structure

552
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: of how things go, the person that lives in experience

553
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: is typically the expert on that experience. And why would

554
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: I go to someone else to get how they feel

555
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: about the shit? It just doesn't make sense to me.

556
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, go ahead, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just didn't

557
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 4: want to interrupt your train of thought. As far as me,

558
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 4: transgender women are women, and within the group of womanhood,

559
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 4: it's already divided, like you have Black women, white women,

560
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 4: age women, you know, African women, Jamaican women, like you

561
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 4: name it. Within the group of womanhood, already, women have

562
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 4: different experiences depending on their culture, their background, how they

563
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 4: raise all this shit. Before you even not trying to

564
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 4: funny get to transgender women, that's already so many differences

565
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 4: among this group transgend to women is just another difference

566
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 4: in this collection of women that already have these different experiences.

567
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: And so once you identify as a woman, you are

568
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 4: a woman. I'm not questioning that whatsoever. I don't know

569
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 4: what it's about to be a white woman. It's just

570
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 4: like a white woman don't know what it's like to

571
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 4: be me. That's why I said there is a difference

572
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 4: within the group because all my life I've been a

573
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 4: female bodied woman. I didn't have to deal with the

574
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 4: thought or deal with the transition, transition of thinking I

575
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 4: was a man. So I do not know that experience.

576
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,959
Speaker 4: I have not lived that experience. I cannot tell them

577
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 4: about that experience. But what I can't tell them is

578
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 4: that they're not a woman. And so that's where I disagree,

579
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 4: you know, like she said, it had been easy for

580
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 4: her just to say that, but I've got to be

581
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 4: failed to realize you can be in a minority group

582
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 4: and still have privilege. And so many people miss that point.

583
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 4: A lot of people are so concerned about their own

584
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: oppression that they forget that there are other people that

585
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 4: are oppressed too, that do not fit the quote unquote

586
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: stereotype that you're talking about So many people miss that

587
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 4: transition to me because you have black women who are

588
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 4: also homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, they're all this too, but they're women. Now,

589
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 4: they're women just like women, but they have these issues

590
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 4: within the group. So when something comes out that's not

591
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: what they think it is, they come out and droves

592
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 4: when like black men, is real easy for you to

593
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 4: see race, it's real easy for you to see gender

594
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 4: when it comes to black women. But if it strikes

595
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 4: anybody outside of the group, you have a blind spot

596
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 4: to that, and a lot of people do not want

597
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 4: to admit that I can grow, I can change. I

598
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 4: have areas in my life to everybody focuses on themselves

599
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 4: being so oppressed that they do not look at other

600
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 4: oppressed groups. You have a privilege. You are a black woman. One,

601
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: You're a black woman in America, which a lot of

602
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: people to realize being an American is the privilege itself.

603
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: Well, Tremmanda isn't. But yeah, a lot of people that

604
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: I saw defending her word, like a lot of the

605
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 3: people that are defending her were very much like just

606
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 3: black women that you know, I mean some black women

607
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: I respect man with just on some like man, fuck

608
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: everybody's saying anything different. Oh that's what y'all mad about,

609
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: and shit like that, like that defiant ass you know

610
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: the way, honestly the way white people get mad when

611
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 3: you question their privilege, and shit, they were reacting just

612
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: like that with the like, I don't need to destruct

613
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: the logic of these the points that people are making.

614
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be so offended that this is even

615
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: a topic that there can be no discussion. And I

616
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 3: don't even know how you can do that. And then

617
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: it's the same time be like trans lives matter, or

618
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: let's you know, support trans women and support trans people

619
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: of color and support transmits. I don't know how you

620
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: can say that while simultaneously just talking over their very

621
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 3: real fucking words, like they are speaking out of their

622
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: mouths and you're going block y'all just trying to be

623
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 3: too woke, Like what it's.

624
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 4: Not that it's deeper than that. Like I said before,

625
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 4: it all boils down to nobody wants to see their

626
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 4: own privilege. That's what it goes down to. Nobody wants

627
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 4: to see themselves as a minority group, as privileged Black

628
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 4: women in this country are minority within the group, and

629
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 4: within the race. But then we grouple I'm talking of

630
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 4: black men and black women and within the race. But

631
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 4: you also have a privilege because you were not you

632
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 4: didn't have to go through the process of transitioning, you

633
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 4: didn't have any struggles with that. So you have a

634
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 4: privileged people that are transgendered, they have a harder time,

635
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 4: and they're black. Transgender people people are liket like all

636
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 4: transgenders are white people all because that's kind of how

637
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 4: it's presented an average person. Transgender people, Oh that's white folks.

638
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 4: Gays and lesbians, Oh that's white folks, even though that's

639
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 4: not true. A lot of times people don't want to admit.

640
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 4: A lot of people get And the reason why I

641
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 4: say that's how it's presented to most people because most

642
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 4: of the time, when anybody you see it in most movies.

643
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 4: That's why Blue, That's why Moonlight was was something different.

644
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 4: Most movies, they're white. How they're presenting the commercials, they're white.

645
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 4: Most of the time. It's rare that you get people

646
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: that follow in these quote unquote other sexual categories being

647
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 4: anything other than white, even though that's not true. So

648
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: a lot of black people have even bought into Oh, well,

649
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 4: I'm just assuming that they're all white, even though that's

650
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 4: not true. And a lot of that comes into fact

651
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 4: into into this factory also. And the thing is everybody

652
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 4: can grow, even she can grow, you know, if she

653
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 4: The thing is, if she wanted to answer this question

654
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 4: right said, I have no experience in that all women

655
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 4: are women. You need to go present this question to

656
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 4: a transgendered woman, and that would have been the end

657
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 4: of it.

658
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: Right.

659
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 4: But it's one of these things where when you're dealing

660
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 4: with people, people that quote unquote I'm supposed to be

661
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 4: experts in this field, people a lot of times present

662
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 4: them with these, like you said, these loaded questions a

663
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 4: lot of times to catch them off or you know,

664
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 4: because I'm pretty sure she wasn't prepared for that question.

665
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 4: Now you ask a question about a black woman.

666
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: Well, she doubled down on it afterwards, so I don't

667
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 3: even feel like it was a lack of preparation. She

668
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: believes that like she like she it like to her,

669
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 3: that is the prepared answer. I don't want to like.

670
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 3: That's the thing. A lot of people kind of took

671
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: her agency out of it on some like sometimes people

672
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: misspeak or maybe she meant this or what. No, she

673
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 3: said what she meant, you know what I mean when

674
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: she she clarified later, and it wasn't a retraction, it

675
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 3: wasn't an apology, it wasn't a you know, I've listened

676
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: to my transgender sisters and I uh and I and

677
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: I and I understand how that how they feel. And

678
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 3: I take back what I said. And trans women are

679
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 3: women and just you know, it's just a different experience

680
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 3: of womanhood. No, that's not what she did. So I

681
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 3: don't even know this about growing necessarily. I mean, to

682
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: a certain extent, you would hope that people grow. I mean,

683
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: obviously it's the optimistic view, but somebody like her, like

684
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: this is how she make a living, like these are

685
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: her thoughts, this is her researched opinion. It's not it's

686
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: not a coincidence or accident, you know. So, I mean,

687
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: I don't have any evidence of giving somebody the benefit

688
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: of the doubt and their growth until they show some

689
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 3: So you know, it's kind of like how we feel

690
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: about Emma Watson talking bad about Beyonce and shit, like

691
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: until Emma Watson says something, I'm not gonna say it

692
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 3: for her, like you have the words you're an intelligent person,

693
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: you know how to speak. This is I have to

694
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: take you on face back, on face value, that this

695
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: is what we just disagree and I think you're wrong

696
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: and you prob think I'm wrong, And that's that to

697
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: me that like this type of wrong is fucked up

698
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: because it's the wrong that basically harbors on someone's humanity

699
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: and someone's experience. I just don't, you know, like and

700
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: I understand to a lot of people that they hero

701
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: and shit. So it's on like one thing. Yesterday just

702
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: seemed to be a day for me of not really

703
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 3: being able to engage with people because everybody was kind

704
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: of on their hero worship. And I don't mean just

705
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: mean with this. It was a lot of shit from

706
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: iron Fist and how people feel about Marvel to to

707
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 3: this the situation to like all kinds of shit whereas

708
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: people have their heroes and it just taints their point

709
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: of view, like they're they're they're incapable of being unbiased.

710
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 3: If these same words had come out of like doctor

711
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: Umar's mouth or some shit, people would be like, oh

712
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: he denying people being trans women? You trans women ain't

713
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 3: women now like people would have been on But if

714
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 3: it comes out of the mouth of somebody you look

715
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: up to, they let it slide.

716
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 4: You know.

717
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: Bell hook says the same shit about trans women and people,

718
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: and but she just Beyonce. So people go in on

719
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 3: ball Hooks like more often than not now when it

720
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: comes to this topic in it. But I don't know,

721
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 3: people just didn't want to go in on this, which

722
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: is which is uh. I mean, obviously they're right, but

723
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: I think it's telling, you know, especially when, like I said,

724
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with if people are privileged

725
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: have these discussions where they just don't know what the

726
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 3: fuck they're talking about sometimes or they you know, they're

727
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: because I don't often know everything. I don't know everything.

728
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know what I mean. So I

729
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 3: didn't have a hot take. I didn't have anything to

730
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 3: say that was calling people out or taking people to task.

731
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: I don't feel, uh, that is necessarily my place to

732
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: go into, you know, to tell some black women that's

733
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: how she's proposed to feel. But what I did do

734
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 3: is elevate the voices of the people that actually have

735
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 3: this experience, because why the fuck would anyone's opinion be

736
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: more important than that. I just don't understand how we

737
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 3: get how we can see that with white shit, but

738
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: not with each other. You know, it's disappointing to be

739
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: honest like we can when it when it's on white

740
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 3: people shit, we want one hundred percent be like that

741
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 3: white woman cannot talk about what black people experience. Shut

742
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 3: the fuck up. No matter what theory you have with class,

743
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 3: you have, how many friends you have, you just can't.

744
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 3: You can't speak for the experience. But yet they get

745
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 3: asked about it and we'll and like I said, have

746
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: the column is you shouldn't even get asked about it, right,

747
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 3: like they they have no U There should be no

748
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: reason that we should be asking Amy Schumer what it's

749
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: like to be a black woman. It's just no, that

750
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: shit never come up. But when it does come up,

751
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: and they tank the question. People don't have all this

752
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 3: understanding and maybe she can grow. White people do, but

753
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: we don't have that, Like black people are like, she

754
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 3: don't know what the fuck she's talking about. It's not

755
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: her experience, it's not her place to say. Move to

756
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: pass the buck to somebody that does and leave it

757
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 3: at that. Right, So there's been a like yeah, but they.

758
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 4: Don't want to do that. When it's the other way around.

759
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 4: When you, as a black person, is speaking on something,

760
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: particularly to another minority group that you don't know jack

761
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 4: shit about, it's okay. It's okay for you to say

762
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 4: I don't know, take this question to someone else. And

763
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 4: also you talked about it. And this is something I've

764
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 4: been debated about for a long time. I am almost

765
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 4: to the point where I don't believe in allyship no more.

766
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 4: I am almost to that point.

767
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely don't don't believe.

768
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 4: It, Like the word is used, not okay, but I'm

769
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 4: to the point now to it. No, No, I don't

770
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 4: believe inship. Just be a better person. Just be a

771
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 4: better person. Because the thing about allyship, as that I learned,

772
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 4: is that a lot of times the privileged person does

773
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 4: something right and they think they get a gold fucking

774
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 4: sticker for life, and it don't work like that. It's

775
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 4: a trend position. You have to continually grow, you have

776
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 4: to continue continue to evolve. The thing about aurorship allyship

777
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 4: is a verb and not an owner. So it's hard

778
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 4: for people to understand is that action behind it. It's

779
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 4: not just I just did something for today. I just

780
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 4: put on a safety pin. I just wore a T shirt.

781
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 4: I put out a pink ribbon, you know, I held

782
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 4: up a rainbow color flag. It's more to that. And

783
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 4: the thing is when it comes to allyship out of

784
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 4: people that our allies don't look at as a lifestyle change,

785
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 4: and it's actually they have to change their lifestyle, whether

786
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: they have understanding, empathy, sympathy, whether they look beyond themselves,

787
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 4: whether they realize that the world doesn't revolve around them,

788
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 4: where they challenge their friends, where they challenge their family,

789
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 4: where they're willing to lose friends, where they're willing to

790
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 4: lose family on the behalf of somebody else that they

791
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 4: don't have to because a thing about people that are

792
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 4: a modulized group, people that are not affected by this

793
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 4: whatsoever have to speak. That's how shit changes. It's no

794
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 4: other way around it. Black people can talk to they

795
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 4: blue in the face, but a lot of times it

796
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 4: takes white people being concerned, white people coming on board

797
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 4: because they're not affected by this shit whatsoever, them saying oh,

798
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 4: we're not gonna take it too, because we understand shit changes.

799
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 4: And that also goes with transgender It's gonna take a

800
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 4: lot of straight, regular ass people that these laws don't

801
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 4: affect them whatsoever for them to come out and be like, no,

802
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 4: what you're not gonna do is affect these people, because

803
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 4: you know what, we're all the same, we're all equal.

804
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 4: But until you get to that point, like I really am,

805
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 4: to the point where I do not believe in the word.

806
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 4: I like, don't be my ally, be a fucking better

807
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 4: human being.

808
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, all right. Two things. One is it's kind

809
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: of interesting because the ally thing also implies like almost

810
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 3: like a charitable thing, like I don't actually believe in

811
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 3: our equality, but I'm gonna help you out, you know

812
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like what I do feel like even

813
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: being a person that's empathic and helping people out is

814
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 3: a reciprocal relationship. Like it's still I don't mind that

815
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: it's a selfish thing, because it bettering the world is

816
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 3: also bettering yourself. So you should become a better person

817
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 3: as you do these things, Like you should become a

818
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 3: better person that you learn more or listen more all

819
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 3: this shit, Like I don't mind that part. The part

820
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: that's so weird to me is I just don't believe

821
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: in it, because I don't think people truly feel that

822
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 3: they are allied with folks. You know, look how many

823
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: people say stuff like I'm a trans ally and then

824
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 3: call Caitlyn Jenner Bruce Jenner, you know what I mean.

825
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: But then but if you ask them, they will tell

826
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: you I don't have a bigoted bone in my body.

827
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: If that's oh, so I can't call him, and shit

828
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 3: like that, like oh okay, okay, so it's stopped the

829
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: buck stop someplace. So essentially you're tolerating, right, You're tolerating somebody.

830
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: So that's like one of the main things. Two people

831
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: are gonna mess up, so I understand. But part of

832
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: like the messing up is you gotta hear that you

833
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: messed up. You have to think about how you messed up,

834
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 3: and you have to like really see if you can

835
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: change how you messed up. And I think people are

836
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: so scared of that part too, because everyone's so dismissive.

837
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 3: Everyone is very much like one fuck up and you

838
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 3: out of here, you know, and sometimes for self protection.

839
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: But also there is an element of it on social

840
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: media and shit that is about like dragging people or

841
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 3: bullying people, or like trying to be cooler than somebody,

842
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: or people get personal investments so they don't really give

843
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 3: a fuck about the point that people are making. They

844
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: just can't wait to sit around and be like I

845
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: never like this motherfucker anyway. Like there's all these elements

846
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 3: to it as well, but I just think in general,

847
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 3: it's hard to believe anybody can be an I lie

848
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: to anyone when you know, the second that you don't agree,

849
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 3: they just talk right over you. And essentially that's what happened.

850
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: I just watched a lot of people talk right over

851
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: trans women of color, like not to be not to

852
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: be a jerk, but I mean, no one should really

853
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: give a fuck about my opinion, and nobody should give

854
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: a fuck about sis gender people's opinion on this shit

855
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: at all. Right, nobody should care. It should just be

856
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: what the people who are experiencing this believe. That's it,

857
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 3: you know, like like I don't understand how we can

858
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 3: see that with every other issue, but this issue, I

859
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: don't it. Just I was flabbergasted, man, I was kind

860
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: of like taken aback by just some of the people

861
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 3: that weren't just the fact that they were like I

862
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: don't understand or I don't get it or whatever. There

863
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 3: were so many people that were like adamantly like fuck everybody,

864
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: that don't agree with her. Y'all just trying to do this, that,

865
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 3: and the other. And I'm like, well, are you So

866
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: then I guess fuck the transgender women that are saying

867
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: that they like because you say that you support them

868
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: and shit, but fuck them at the same time, like

869
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: I don't understand, you know, because that is exactly what

870
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: white folks do to us. That is, that is exactly

871
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 3: what white folks do to us when we say some shit.

872
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 3: They were like, fuck what you got to say? And

873
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 3: I'm not racist, so don't you dare try to accuse me.

874
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 4: You know.

875
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: It's like, wow, you're getting awfully upset at just the

876
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: idea that you might be wrong here, you know, and

877
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: you're shouting me down. So I don't know, I don't

878
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 3: know if you can really, I don't know. It was

879
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 3: just it was a weird day, man. And so anyway,

880
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 3: the hashtag male privilege diarystarted on Twitter, and those when

881
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 3: people using the hashtag that are trans people giving their

882
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: experiences as children being like, okay, so my male privilege

883
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: me getting kicked out the house at fifteen because they

884
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: were people because I was questioning my gender. That that's privilege.

885
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 3: Childhood trauma from being coerced into boys gym and locker

886
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 3: room spaces and still don't go to the gym. Male

887
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 3: privileged diaries being seen as a failure to be a

888
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: woman or man, but also not being allowed to be neither.

889
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: Constantly feeling at a gender. Yeah, it's just a bunch

890
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: of people saying that, you know, like this is my

891
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 3: experience as a child, and then a bunch of people

892
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: just dismissing them, you know what I mean, Like you know,

893
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: like I said, Laverne Cox talked about it. I was

894
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: talking to my twin brother today about whether he believes

895
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 3: I had male privilege growing up. I was a very

896
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 3: feminine child, though I was assign male at birth. My

897
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 3: gender was constantly police. I was told I acted like

898
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 3: a girl, I was bullying shame for that. My femininity

899
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: did not make me feel privileged. I was a good student.

900
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 3: I was very much encouraged because of that. But I

901
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: saw sis girls who showed academic promise being nurse in

902
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: the black community. I grew up in Mobile, Alabama. Gender

903
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 3: exists on the spectrum and the binary narrative, which suggests

904
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 3: that all trans women transition from male privilege rasst A

905
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 3: lot of experiences and isn't intersectional. Gender is constituted differently

906
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: based on the culture we live in. There's no universal

907
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 3: experience of gender or of womanhood to suggest that is essentialist

908
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 3: and again not intersectional. Many of our feminist fore mothers

909
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 3: cautioning against such essentialism and not having an intersectional approach

910
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 3: to feminism. Class, race, sexuality, ability, immigration, status, education all

911
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: influenced the ways in which we experienced privilege. So though

912
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 3: I was assigned male at birth, I could contende that

913
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: I did not enjoy male privilege prior to my transition.

914
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 3: Patriarchy and assists sexism punish my femininity and gender non conformity.

915
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 3: The irony of my life is prior to transition, I

916
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 3: was called a girl, and after I am often called

917
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: a man. Gender police and in the fact that gender

918
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: binaries can only exist through strict policing, complicates the concept

919
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 3: gender privilege. And that's okay because it's complicated. Sectionality complicates

920
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 3: both male and sists privilege. This is why this paramount

921
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 3: that we continue to lift up diverse trans voices. For

922
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: too many years, there have been far too few trans

923
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 3: stories in the media. For over sixty years, sins Christine

924
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 3: Jargonsen Jorgensen stepped off the plane from Europe and became

925
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 3: the first internationally known trans woman. The narrative about trans

926
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: folks in the media was one of macho God becomes

927
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 3: a woman. That's certainly not my story or the story

928
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 3: of many trans folks. I know that narrative often works

929
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 3: to reinforce binaries rather than explode them. That explosion is

930
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 3: the gender revolution, I imagine, one of the gender self determination,

931
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: of true gender self determination.

932
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 4: And I agree. And also it is one of the

933
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 4: things too where you know, when it comes to feminism,

934
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 4: how a lot of black women our gun hole and

935
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 4: very hard, have a very hard stance on white feminism

936
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 4: and they're like, nah, fucking bitches right. Well, within the

937
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 4: black feminish group, there are trans people who come up

938
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,479
Speaker 4: and say, hey, I'm black and i'm trans and these

939
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 4: things matter to me, and we do the same shit

940
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 4: them white women do. So they turn around, they break

941
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 4: off and they be like, you know, hey, we're gonna

942
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 4: be trans feminists, that we're gonna talk about trans issues

943
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 4: being black, And then black women want to get mad

944
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 4: and offended and act like, well you black too, Yeah,

945
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 4: I'm black. But when I bring up my issues, you'll

946
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 4: never want to talk about my issues the same thing

947
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 4: we tell them white women. So it's one of those

948
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 4: things where it's not true equality until we look at all.

949
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 3: People also, Like I mean, it's always complicated for people

950
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 3: because when you can be on the side of the

951
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 3: like the privileged spectrum moves to where now you're on

952
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 3: the side of the people that can be oppressive, everybody

953
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 3: freezes up. You know. That's why sometimes when we talk

954
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 3: about shit, I don't even say necessarily rac or now

955
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 3: just say privileged people, because it's like it can just it. Really,

956
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 3: it really is almost like watching the same play over

957
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 3: and over and over, but just evolving different, you know,

958
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 3: different different things. Like you know, if we're talking about

959
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: gender identity, yeah, being SIS, being somebody that has never

960
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 3: had my shit question. I've never, like, at no point

961
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 3: had somebody demean me or thought I was a woman,

962
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 3: or tried to belittle me or somehow or attack me

963
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 3: or any of this shit. You know, in my mind

964
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 3: growing up, I never thought of that as any level

965
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 3: of privilege. I thought that was pretty much everybody. You know,

966
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 3: Like even a gay person. Often you're like, well, that

967
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: person is gay, but that doesn't make them like that.

968
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 3: It's not that they're not a man, they're gay. It's

969
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 3: not that they're not a woman, they're gay. So you

970
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 3: introduce to a lot of people a new concept, whether

971
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 3: we've been living with it our lives, our whole lives

972
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 3: or not. To them, it's new that people are now

973
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: in an age where they can speak for themselves. So

974
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 3: we don't need intermediaries, we don't need a book necessarily.

975
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 3: Just you can go on Twitter and people are like,

976
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 3: I'm trans this is how I feel about this thing.

977
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: And sometimes you end up being the bad guy. You know,

978
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 3: as a black man. There's plenty of people I follow

979
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 3: where sometimes I'm in the group as the bad guys,

980
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 3: and you know, you have to self examine, you have

981
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 3: to think about that ship. I try to spread the

982
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 3: word for them, elevate their the own words and not

983
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: try to speak for them. But like that, but that

984
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 3: is a that's a hard thing I've noticed for a

985
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 3: lot of people to deal with. There are black men

986
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 3: that just flatly reject black women who speak out against

987
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 3: anything that a black men do. You know, that's why

988
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 3: the word black feminists is so charged and angry when

989
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: black men speak about it. For the most part because yeah,

990
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 3: well yeah, we could be the person you're talking about,

991
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 3: and often we are. And since we fall into that

992
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 3: that that, you know, that group, we want to shut

993
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 3: it down. We don't want to hear you talk about

994
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 3: like your issues and shit like that. No, no, no, no, no,

995
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 3: you're a bitch, now you know what I mean? How

996
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 3: am I part of the problem?

997
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 4: You know?

998
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 3: I just all I do is is called when bitches

999
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 3: and hoes and say, uh, would you let your girl

1000
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 3: where it is? And uh say that, you know, you

1001
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 3: know a bunch of fucking really uh fucked up shit

1002
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 3: about women. But the second you start talking about I'm

1003
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 3: a part of the problem, I'm like, see, this is

1004
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 3: what's wrong with black feminists, you know, it's that kind

1005
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 3: of thing.

1006
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 4: Uh.

1007
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 3: And I think that goes for all kinds of people,

1008
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 3: all kinds of groups. And I just think people have

1009
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 3: a long way to go. H and everybody has a

1010
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 3: long way to go with just even the concepts, let

1011
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 3: alone the real experience, lived experience of transgender people. But yeah,

1012
00:54:55,160 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: Roquel willis who I followed Twitter, She had like a

1013
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 3: tweet storm too. Chim Amanda being asked about trans women

1014
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 3: is like Lena Dunna being asked about black women. It

1015
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 3: doesn't work. We can speak for ourselves. She needs to

1016
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: take a lesson from herself on the danger of a

1017
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 3: single story, because she's just shown how dangerousis gender hegemony is.

1018
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: We know exactly what you mean when you say trans

1019
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 3: women are trans women, but can't simply say trans women

1020
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 3: are women. CIS women don't need to feel threatened by

1021
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 3: trans womanhood. If your experience means less because trans women exists,

1022
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: that's your problem. When you ostracize and devalue trans women

1023
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 3: in that womanhood, you are operating as a tool of

1024
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 3: the patriarchy. Just like white women historically feel threatened by

1025
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 3: black women claiming womanhood on their term, CIS women feel

1026
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 3: that this towards trans women. Trans women aren't saying the

1027
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 3: experiences are just like SIS women, just as queer women

1028
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 3: don't claim that they are just like straight women. The

1029
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 3: average woman assists that does not make her womanhood more valid.

1030
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 3: All it says is that trans women are on the margins. Yes,

1031
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 3: folks raised as girls are plagued with oppression in a

1032
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 3: different way than people not rais as girls. No one

1033
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 3: denies that. However, SIS girls and women in general experienced

1034
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 3: the privilege of being seen, accepted, and respected in their

1035
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 3: gender from birth. That doesn't negate threats of violence, harassment,

1036
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 3: or oppression in the patriarchal society things trans women of

1037
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 3: any age also face. Yeah. See, that's the part that

1038
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 3: I think and maybe that's because of Kaitlyn Jender. Shit,

1039
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 3: That's the part I think always gets skipped over. Is

1040
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 3: there's this idea that like, well, trans women when their

1041
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 3: children obviously everybody respects and treats them just like just

1042
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 3: like we respect and treat boys, right. You just you're

1043
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 3: playing sports and everyone loves and agrees with you, and

1044
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 3: it's like, haven't we all grown up with the kids

1045
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 3: where you're like, people treat that kid differently because they

1046
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 3: present differently. We've all grown up with that kid, you know.

1047
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 4: You.

1048
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,919
Speaker 3: I mean just look at how like a celebrity will

1049
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 3: have their son wear a dress or something and it

1050
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that kid's trans the way, but just my

1051
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 3: son likes to wear dress, and I just had that.

1052
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 3: I'm just got an open household. You can wear whatever

1053
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 3: you want and I don't care you look at the

1054
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 3: comments of that article and it's all like, get back

1055
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 3: in your motherfucking box, what's wrong with your kid? Why

1056
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 3: are you raising him that way? You're gonna make him

1057
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: gig shit? Like like, it's a lot of negativity associated

1058
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: with it. But yet somehow that also is supposed to

1059
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 3: be representative of the male experience and male privilege, you

1060
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, I don't know that well

1061
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 3: not even I don't know. I'm watching people who live

1062
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 3: that experience say it's not you know what I mean

1063
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 3: to say, I was never treated like the boys, like

1064
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 3: like this was not a thing for me, not to mention.

1065
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 3: It's different for everybody. So even if it was a thing,

1066
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 3: you can't just be like and that's why all these

1067
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 3: trans women aren't women, that just trans women, quote unquote.

1068
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, this convo falls apart more and more as

1069
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 3: with more or more trans folks coming out of younger ages.

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Speaker 3: All right, That's another thing that is happening in society

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00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 3: that I think is for the better, is with more

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00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 3: people coming out of younger ages and parents being more

1073
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 3: accepted and open to it, it's gonna erase this idea

1074
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 3: of like and you grew up with this type of privilege.

1075
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 3: It's gonna I think it's gonna erase that idea of

1076
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 3: being like what you at seventeen you just suddenly decided

1077
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 3: it's like, no, my whole life I was treated this way,

1078
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 3: So now how you're gonna try to take that away

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00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 3: from me? But yeah, uh oh yeah, okay, So this

1080
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: conba falls apart with more and more transpolts coming out

1081
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: of younger ages. Also conveniently leads out trans masculine folks.

1082
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 3: The violence that gender not performing in gender diverse kids

1083
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 3: face is real and always left out of this essentialist conversation.

1084
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 3: Do we tell assist woman that she's less of a

1085
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: woman if she says she's never experienced harassment or violence

1086
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 3: or avert discrimination. No. A trans woman in Brazil was

1087
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 3: beating a death in the streets because of her womanhood.

1088
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 3: Five black trans women were similar similarly killed in February.

1089
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 3: Trans women have been hyper sexualized in the media, exploited

1090
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 3: for our bodies, paid less, denied healthcare, and told our

1091
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 3: voices are invalid and if you want to play oppression Olympics, sorry,

1092
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 3: since women, you're gonna lose more often than not, which

1093
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 3: is why this convo isn't productive. It's nonsensical and privileged

1094
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 3: to acquire trans women to experience certain instances of oppression

1095
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 3: to prove their womanhood. If that were the case, many

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00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,479
Speaker 3: of your rich cis had white phase wouldn't be quote

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00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 3: unquote real women either. We don't need public debates on

1098
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 3: trans women. We need trans women elevated to allow and

1099
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 3: allowed to speak for themselves. And if you learn from something,

1100
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 3: learn something, cash me slash dollar sign Rockail Willis and

1101
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 3: support like you do your problematic cist phase. Yeah. Yeah,

1102
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 3: we donated to to Black Girl Danger when there was

1103
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 3: when they were recruiting, when they were doing like fundraising

1104
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 3: last year. But I'm about to put someone because let's

1105
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 3: play again right now, because I mean real talk man,

1106
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 3: And I was thinking about this too. It sucks, like

1107
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 3: I do want to elevate the voices of people that

1108
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 3: live that experience. It just sucks that so much of

1109
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 3: that online time ends up having to be explaining to

1110
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 3: people why the fucks they have to deal with or

1111
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 3: what they have to deal with, or what they go

1112
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 3: through or how this should be viewed. And educating people

1113
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 3: like that takes a toll on people. Yes, where you're

1114
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 3: constantly educating people about your life, your you.

1115
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 4: Right, And it's also it's one of them things I know,

1116
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 4: people quote unquote phrases white women tears, but black people

1117
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 4: can have tears too, because you're coming out on top

1118
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 4: about your experience and all you see is people crying

1119
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 4: all around you out of your privilege.

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Speaker 3: Right, So, like I said, man, if I think before

1121
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 3: anybody responds to any of this shit, if your thing

1122
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 3: is just this woman, uh, Chimamanda is my fave, and

1123
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 3: I just had to defend everything she does, then don't

1124
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 3: don't write me. Don't write us like I really legitimately

1125
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 3: do not care because I'm not trying to stop her

1126
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 3: from being your faith. Like I realized that yesterday because

1127
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 3: remember I was telling you how yesterday I was just

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Speaker 3: like a lot of it was just a hard day

1129
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 3: to talk to people, and I just had to like

1130
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 3: stopped talking to people really because people were talking past

1131
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 3: each other. But there was this woman who on the

1132
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 3: Cooking Network of Food Network, food something she has. Apparently

1133
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 3: she's like this super white woman that just like you know,

1134
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 3: it's like that skip from Teen Titans where they don't

1135
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 3: put no salt on the potatoes or else. Her husband

1136
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 3: apparently just hates all flavor, just hates it. Right, So

1137
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 3: ahead they had matter of fact, you know, we can,

1138
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 3: we can transition out of LGBT News because I think

1139
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 3: I have this article saved and we can. We'll get back.

1140
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 3: We'll do some more tomorrow. So uh yeah, let me

1141
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 3: see if I can find her, because I feel like

1142
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 3: I saved this article. But so she had this thing

1143
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 3: that she was talking about making Asian wings right now.

1144
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 3: First of all, pretty I found like, I feel like,

1145
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 3: that's pretty ridiculous that you work for a food network

1146
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 3: and yet Asian wings is a thing, not tariokei wings,

1147
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 3: not cats, who fried chicken.

1148
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 4: Not not what is that chili tie or yeah, whatever

1149
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 4: that is. You do know they have flavors the wings

1150
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 4: don't look at you with with Asian right right.

1151
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 3: It's just it felt real like that my chicken.

1152
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 4: I don't know. They might have different races of chicken,

1153
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 4: but last time I checked, when you find a barbacum whatever,

1154
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 4: they come out one flavor chicken.

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01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. So she kind of got roasted about the fact

1156
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 3: that you know she she okay. Segment was filming in

1157
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 3: twenty twelve. She's playing a prank on her family where

1158
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 3: she's gonna serve them Asian hot wings instead of Buffalo

1159
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 3: style of their expecting and she basically pulls them out

1160
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 3: at to make of them, and her husband is like, uh,

1161
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 3: where are the real wings? And another man says, I

1162
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,959
Speaker 3: don't trust them, and she says, I'm just kidding, guys,

1163
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do that to you. When she brings out

1164
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 3: buffalo wings out the oven and they're like, now those

1165
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 3: are some real wings. And people are you know people

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01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 3: the people I saw that first responder to this because

1167
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 3: I don't watch the show. I don't really watch the

1168
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 3: Food Network, so I don't have a fave. But the

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01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 3: first thing I noticed was the people that were really

1170
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 3: defensive about it. They watch her show and they that's

1171
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 3: their faith. The same the people that were really defensive

1172
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 3: about the Iron Fit shit, they watch all the Marble

1173
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 3: shit and that's they fave. You know, did chimer Mohunda

1174
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: think that's that people's fools don't want to people are

1175
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 3: I'm more scared that they're gonna have to give something

1176
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 3: up than they are about whether it's right or wrong.

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01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 3: Right because cause I think, like one of the reasons

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01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 3: I don't really urge or talk about Boycotten things. My

1179
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 3: mind just doesn't work that way, to be honest, Like

1180
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 3: if I don't like something or something is. So I'm

1181
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 3: more like, if this isn't gonna be fun, then I'm

1182
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 3: out right.

1183
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 4: And this is that simple to me. If it's not

1184
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 4: gonna be fun, I'm out. Slogan, I was like, you

1185
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 4: know what, fuck it, I'm out. I'm tired of the

1186
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 4: Logan movies.

1187
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 3: No, they've been bad, all right, well like, but like

1188
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 3: if I'm not like, I don't really you know, we

1189
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 3: do this show. I don't really get offended by very

1190
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 3: many things, but I can be like, well, I wanted

1191
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 3: to enjoy this thing. It doesn't seem like it's gonna

1192
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 3: be as fun anymore. It seems like there's more agendas

1193
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 3: around it. Then it's gonna be like actual whether it

1194
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 3: was good or not. And now I don't want to

1195
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 3: I don't want to be Oh I watched this thing.

1196
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 3: I want to talk to people about it, and I

1197
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 3: end up talking about Nate Parker being a rapist, or

1198
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 3: I end up talking about whitewashing, or I end up

1199
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 3: talking about racism. Then I'm like, I don't really want

1200
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 3: to consume this anymore. And so I think that's what

1201
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 3: happens because there were a lot of people like I

1202
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 3: watch your show, and she is kind of weird. But

1203
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if we can call it as racis

1204
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 3: and ship and I mean, how do we know for

1205
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 3: a fact is this really?

1206
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 4: Well, if she'd have called the black big lip sugar

1207
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 4: jumper barbecue wings, y'all would have been fucking angry because

1208
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 4: you go, well, why the wings got to be African

1209
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:25,479
Speaker 4: American or black?

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Speaker 3: It's some people were One person was even like, well,

1211
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 3: if she would have called her Jamaican wings, then I

1212
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 3: could see how people would get mad. I was like, well,

1213
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 3: then the same thing would apply for whatever culture quote

1214
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 3: unquote of wings. By the way, I don't see why

1215
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 3: she couldn't just say Tarioki wings and had the same

1216
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 3: fucking skit. I mean, it's a corny skit, it's hokey.

1217
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 3: It's probably just for some family channel pullshit. But I

1218
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 3: don't see why you couldn't just say, like, Tariokei wings.

1219
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 3: They hate terry, they love only one type of wing.

1220
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make Tarioki wings and this will be funny. Now,

1221
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 3: I don't know what happens to these ways. You throw

1222
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 3: them in the trash, you waste that food on TV.

1223
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know what's supposed to happen. But

1224
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 3: the other part of this, I was like Asian people

1225
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 3: tired of being the butt of these jokes.

1226
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 4: Man they are, and I don't blame them, they just

1227
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 4: getting fed up.

1228
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 3: Man likes it is what it is.

1229
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 7: Like.

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01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 3: If you're gonna make these jokes and ship like, then

1231
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 3: you need to accept that there's gonna be some people

1232
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 3: unhappy about it. Like that's pretty much every joke people make.

1233
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 3: Is there's always one person or one group of people

1234
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 3: that might not like your joke. Then then just accept

1235
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 3: that rather than to be like, this isn't racist. Maybe

1236
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 3: if a bunch of people telling you this ship is racist?

1237
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 3: Who am I? Who am I to tell you is

1238
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 3: not right?

1239
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 4: And I've had to grow and evolve in that too

1240
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 4: in my life because you know, it's one no thing

1241
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 4: what privilege privileged American you know, you know, growing up

1242
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 4: you hear a lot of those jokes. You just think

1243
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 4: that shit is okay. But if you grew up in

1244
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 4: that culture, that shit is not okay. So I have

1245
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 4: evolved and grown around that a lot.

1246
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, people are are fans of things, and because their

1247
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 3: fans did not supersede everything else, because you don't want

1248
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 3: to believe you're a fan of something where they could

1249
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 3: basically make a mistake. I'm not even gonna call it problematic.

1250
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 3: They can make a mistake, like you don't want to

1251
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 3: be a fan, like it's so weird because it's like

1252
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 3: matter of fact, keep going, there was Did you see

1253
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 3: the video of the BBC the dude doing an interview

1254
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 3: with the BBC and his children came in and then

1255
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 3: the woman came in and scooped his children up. No,

1256
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 3: all right, give me a second. I'll try to find it.

1257
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 4: But and the thing, I think I seen the gift,

1258
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 4: but I didn't see the woman come in, Like like,

1259
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 4: so I didn't. I didn't see the thing in this entirety, right,

1260
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 4: they gifted, but they chopped it off.

1261
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 3: All right, So this woman, first of all, I forgot

1262
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 3: to mention this. You said you didn't know if you

1263
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 3: knew this woman the Food Network. Woman's pioneer woman.

1264
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 4: I haven't heard of her.

1265
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 3: Refreshed, refreshed something going on, All right, give me a second.

1266
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, she's pioneer woman. She's on Food Network. And uh,

1267
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 3: one of the new.

1268
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 4: People might have been around for a while. And one

1269
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 4: of the people I haven't watched yet.

1270
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 3: And it's weird because the people that were defending her

1271
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 3: were like, well, no, her thing is that she just

1272
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 3: makes really her family only likes this really traditional blead

1273
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 3: and American food, And I'm like, why is she on TV?

1274
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 3: Like y'all watch great.

1275
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 4: Ass cooks out there, and y'all got this bullshit right.

1276
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 4: You know, That's why I don't watch as much as

1277
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 4: I used to because a lot of even even with

1278
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 4: the Food Network and the Cooking and all that stuff,

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Speaker 4: and that's not funny, but I I know you don't watch,

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01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 4: but you have the Food Network, and then you have

1281
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 4: like a sister network or a smaller version called the

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01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 4: Cooking Channel. That one is so much better because it's

1283
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 4: people of color. And so when you go to that one,

1284
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 4: you have people of color that are not your main

1285
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 4: stream people, but you're dell going the background. They go

1286
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 4: on their culture and it's very different people like they're

1287
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 4: not all like brown, but even if they're presenting as white,

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01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 4: that it's about their culture. And that one is so

1289
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 4: much better. A lot of times, the recipes are better,

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01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 4: they're most flavorful. They're a lot better on the Cooking

1291
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,560
Speaker 4: Channel than they are Food Network. I wish some of

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01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 4: the people on the Cooking Channel. Actually my opinion is

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01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 4: to be on Food Network. They're actually just much better.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing I was gonna mention, Right, so

1295
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 3: once she has a show and it's about cooking bland food,

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01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 3: which it seems weird to me.

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Speaker 4: But.

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01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be so bad to play the joke quote

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01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 3: unquote of this is different. This is Asian culture food.

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01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 3: Not that it still wouldn't be bad, but you know

1301
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,719
Speaker 3: how it wouldn't be so bad if you had any

1302
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:58,719
Speaker 3: Asian food shows on your network, Like if the Asian

1303
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 3: food show wasn't the like Master Chef, you know, if

1304
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 3: it was just actually like, here's an Asian person who

1305
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 3: makes different foods for their family. And then it's not

1306
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 3: a joke. It's not played ass so excited. It's just

1307
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 3: this is just the Asian diet. This is just one

1308
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 3: person and they can make whatever the fuck they want.

1309
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 3: But occasionally they might make something that we identify as

1310
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 3: Asian food, and it's more of an educational situation for

1311
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 3: a lot of people, and it normalizes this rather than

1312
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 3: the only time it's gonna show up on our network

1313
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 3: is as a joke. Yeah, people gonna get mad, right.

1314
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 4: Like you say, it's normally iron chef top shelf. Like,

1315
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 4: to the best of my knowledge, there is no strictly hi,

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01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 4: I am an Asian person or or I am of

1317
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 4: Asian descent from whatever culture, and here is my show.

1318
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 4: They'll always present, like you say, in these different forms,

1319
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 4: and they do have them, but like I said, they

1320
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 4: own this off termasive smaller secondary channel.

1321
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, people just like Asian people, just tired of that shit.

1322
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 4: They tired of chopstick jokes. They tired of soy saft jokes.

1323
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 4: They're like, hey, don, it's more to us than these

1324
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 4: quote unquote standardized Americans and a lot of times not funny,

1325
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:12,759
Speaker 4: fucking slapstick jokes.

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01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see.

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01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 5: Uh.

1328
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 3: I think we already talked about Emma Watching hitting back

1329
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 3: at the Beehive for labeling her hypocrite by including the

1330
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 3: rest of her comments in her interview. I think we

1331
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 3: already talked about this. Maybe no, all right, Well, anyway,

1332
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 3: she had an interview in Vanity Fair, the one where

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01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 3: she said that she wasn't comfortable with Beyonce's video because

1334
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 3: the camera felt so male, and she later in the

1335
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 3: interview basically goes on to she became more okay with

1336
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 3: it because because it was for her, it was for

1337
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 3: Beyonce's husband, jay Z, so that was okay.

1338
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I remember you mentioning something about it. I

1339
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 4: don't know how depth and depth we went, but I

1340
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 4: remember you mentioning something about it, and yeah, she basically

1341
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 4: just double down and yeah, people will continue to call

1342
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 4: you out because it's this double standard.

1343
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, so she she basically just like I said, no,

1344
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 3: no apology or anything, just included the whole interview and

1345
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 3: just left it at that. So but people framed it

1346
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 3: like she hit back and proved that she wasn't. But

1347
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 3: it's like, well, you still did the thing that you

1348
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 3: said Beyonce did that you had a problem with you.

1349
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 3: You excuse Beyonce because you said it's an album about

1350
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 3: her husband. So it's okay, But yet the problem you

1351
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 3: had was this idea of like presenting womanhood for male

1352
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 3: male the male gaze. How do you define that for

1353
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 3: people like you put your titties out? How do we

1354
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 3: decide who the fuck that's for? You know, we have

1355
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,799
Speaker 3: nothing like we like to assume that it's for men

1356
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 3: and men only to assume that that somehow belittles your

1357
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 3: points when it comes to talking about feminism and shit

1358
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 3: to assume it belittles your work. That's pretty fucked up too.

1359
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 4: And the thing is, and this is what kills me.

1360
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 4: Male gaze is not a bad thing. And there are

1361
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 4: women that want that male gaze. And it is okay

1362
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 4: to want male gaze. It's okay to be to want

1363
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 4: to be objectified. I think some people when it comes

1364
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,879
Speaker 4: to this, I think some women are just completely against

1365
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 4: women being objectified. And it's don't want to give women

1366
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 4: the agency and the choice to say, I want you

1367
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 4: to look at my ass, I want you to look

1368
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 4: at my titties. I don't have a problem with it.

1369
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 4: I am here voluntarily. Nobody's putting a gun to my head,

1370
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 4: nobody's forcing me. I think a lot of times, a

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01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 4: lot of women, in my opinion, that are heavy against

1372
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 4: your objectification. They don't want to be objectified in any

1373
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 4: way shape from a fashion, so they want to push

1374
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 4: upon other people. But the point of feminism is the

1375
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 4: choice to say, hey, come look at these titties, but

1376
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 4: you better respect me.

1377
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, yeah, I think our society is very

1378
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 3: puritanical like that. Anyway, where this idea that like Serena

1379
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 3: Williams can't be in sorts illustrated and won't equal pay

1380
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 3: for her tennis matches, you know, like devalues. Right, yeah, yeah,

1381
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,759
Speaker 3: but I and I think maybe I don't know whatever

1382
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 3: worked towards it, but I think a lot of times

1383
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 3: people are chipping away at it by being like, yes,

1384
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 3: I'm ambassador to that you in and yeah, my ten

1385
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 3: is in the magazine, Like we just there's not a

1386
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 3: problem like there we we don't have a problem with

1387
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,839
Speaker 3: fucking Trudeau being like the prime minister or Barack Obama

1388
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 3: being the president. And there's also like a shirtless picture

1389
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 3: of Barack Obama at the beast that people are like whoa, Like,

1390
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 3: we don't have a problem with that. But it's like

1391
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,799
Speaker 3: if that was a woman, we would have a problem

1392
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 3: with that for sure as.

1393
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 4: A society becauseation of women. When women they just exist,

1394
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,759
Speaker 4: but everything about you just have to be over analyzed

1395
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 4: and over sexualized.

1396
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 3: Right, all right, let's see what else we got here. No,

1397
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 3: I'm not doing this story yet. Hold on, let me

1398
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,600
Speaker 3: see what else I got Oh, all right, we'll do

1399
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 3: this one next. So there's a podcast that I'm gonna

1400
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 3: be honest, I never listened to but it's been making

1401
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 3: around the last week or so because it's like a

1402
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 3: big controversy. But Citizen Radio let had to oust one

1403
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 3: of their hosts, Jamie Kelstein, because he got caught doing

1404
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 3: making some pretty sexual advances and uncomfortable bit towards women.

1405
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 3: While apparently his brand is like I'm super duper woke

1406
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 3: white male feminist dude that you know, uh like, and

1407
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 3: his brand was awesome sort of attacking people comedians and

1408
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,839
Speaker 3: ship and all kinds of people on Twitter and stuff.

1409
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you're promoting rape coach, I'm gonna

1410
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 3: get you, you know, and you you're you're a rapist

1411
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 3: you like rapist ship like that, and you know, for

1412
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:20,560
Speaker 3: comedians in a lot of cases, they're like, uh, you

1413
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 3: one of us. You're supposed to like he's a comedian,

1414
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,600
Speaker 3: but you're you're attacking everybody and and who are you

1415
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 3: doing this for? And why are you doing this? And

1416
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 3: shit and so basically through this podcast and they got

1417
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 3: a divorced he it was he started it with I

1418
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 3: guess a woman was dating where they were married at

1419
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 3: some point and then they got divorced like a year

1420
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 3: ago and they've been you know, still doing the show together,

1421
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 3: but him out there, you know, apparently trying to fuck women.

1422
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 5: Uh.

1423
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 3: Some of the allegations that got brought to lights, like

1424
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 3: he was at affairs during his marriage with fans of

1425
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 3: the show. Then he would go on his show and

1426
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 3: talk about it and say like, you know, talk about

1427
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 3: his exploics of fucking women on the road and you know,

1428
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 3: brag and ship like that. Basically, So they kind of

1429
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 3: got him out of there because they felt like, you know,

1430
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 3: he's being manipulative, he's emotionally abusive.

1431
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 4: Money. Because it's a very very large show. Like I said,

1432
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 4: I really actually sit down and like listen to it.

1433
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:32,600
Speaker 4: But they kind of roll in those left political circles,

1434
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 4: right uh, and so you know, you know they're on

1435
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 4: my radar, you know, because sometimes you just want to

1436
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 4: be aware of people. But it's one of those things,

1437
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 4: well yeah, black, black people and minorities I left out

1438
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 4: of a lot of shit, not unless they bring you

1439
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 4: up to to use you for an example for something,

1440
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 4: but your actual issues, but go ahead.

1441
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so yeah. On the show, they tried to

1442
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 3: like let the audience be aware, like, hey, this is

1443
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 3: what's going on. He's gonna be leaving the show. This

1444
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 3: is what he's accused of, and he wouldn't do any

1445
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 3: of that, so he wouldn't say what happened. He only

1446
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 3: to say that this is the last show. He wouldn't

1447
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 3: let her stay it in the uh his uh, Alison

1448
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 3: kill Kenny wouldn't. He wouldn't let her say it on

1449
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 3: the on the show notes like it was just a

1450
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 3: complete like nope, okay, I say, we need to go

1451
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 3: to the next segment. Hold on a second, guys, bring it

1452
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 3: right back and we'll be right back in a second

1453
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 3: as soon as I get back online.

1454
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 8: M hmm, I got team creams Potatoes to meet us

1455
01:18:52,680 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 8: LA creams Potatoes to meet us. Creams potatoes, a media

1456
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 8: lam lamp James creams.

1457
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 3: Potatoes, Tomatas.

1458
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 8: Creams potatoes, Tomatas lamp lamp change.

1459
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 3: Creams potatoes to meet us.

1460
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 8: Chicken creams potatoes to meat us things creams potatoes to

1461
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:22,719
Speaker 8: meatus things, creams, patems, creams, proteins, seems, things, things, things,

1462
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:27,480
Speaker 8: creams potatoes, tomata, chicken, creams.

1463
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 3: Potatoes to MEANU. All right, So so Allison kill Kenny

1464
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 3: then went our Facebook page and wrote this note about

1465
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 3: James departure from Citizen Radio. Recently, some disturbing allegations have

1466
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 3: been brought to my attention into intelling several women who

1467
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 3: have accused Jamie of being manipulative, emotionally abusive, and predatory

1468
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 3: in his behavior. There have been murmurs of this in

1469
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 3: the past, but understandably the women wish to remain not so.

1470
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 3: I was never able to fully learn the scuple what

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01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 3: happened until very recently, a couple of days ago. I

1472
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 3: want to be careful what I say here. I don't

1473
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 3: want to reveal anyone's identity until they're ready to speak publicly.

1474
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 3: But one of the victims is someone who worked for

1475
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 3: the show. Now that I have a full story, I'm

1476
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 3: deeply upset and disturbed by what I've learned. This is

1477
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 3: why I've asked Jamie to leave the show. He agreed,

1478
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 3: and why he's agreed to seek therapy. I also want

1479
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 3: wanted him to publicly post about what he's done and apologize.

1480
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 3: He declined to do that. I also wanted to be

1481
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 3: very clear in the episode title on description while he

1482
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 3: was leaving the show, and he declined. So I'm posting

1483
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 3: here instead without making this about me. I want you

1484
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 3: all to know I'm furious, question harrified by all this.

1485
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 3: I always wanted to believe. I always believe Citizen Radio

1486
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 3: was a genuinely safe space, and I'm trying to make

1487
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 3: it that way again. I'm so so sorry for letting

1488
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 3: anyone down.

1489
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's one of those things where they live

1490
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 4: in the space where his whole thing was just being

1491
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:02,799
Speaker 4: hard and making enemies and people but just you know nothing,

1492
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 4: it's funny. And so you know, if you have that

1493
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 4: hard dance, you know, constantly talking about women's rights and

1494
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 4: women's issues and being in that quote unquote a lie

1495
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 4: and you do this, yes, it is gonna be a

1496
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 4: blow because they're to the point where they make a

1497
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 4: living off of this. Then I look, we got sponsors

1498
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 4: like we can't have you here, right, and you're and

1499
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 4: you cause these problems with our fans, losing listenerships like

1500
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:33,759
Speaker 4: no doubt you got to go and and what speak volumes.

1501
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 4: He don't think it is wrong, because the thing is,

1502
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 4: if he did, he would put some form of explanation

1503
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 4: out there. He has he has no he has no

1504
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 4: sympathy for the people that he's affected. He has no

1505
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 4: empathy for the people. He's affected that and it's one

1506
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 4: of those things where if you don't want to do that.

1507
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 3: He thought he was right, I need to lead his

1508
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,639
Speaker 3: Twitter account. But you know, as somebody that and I'm

1509
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 3: sure he the leader his Twitter account in part because

1510
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 3: he was getting some of the same tax that he

1511
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 3: had been putting towards people, and people were probably gloating

1512
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 3: and talking shit on them and uh, be on people.

1513
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 4: And you know a lot of people I don't do this,

1514
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 4: but a lot of people are about, oh, that's your fame.

1515
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 4: I can't they fuck up when.

1516
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 3: Up here I go right, And there's that always that

1517
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 3: residual like you call yourself a feminist, Well that's why

1518
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,839
Speaker 3: you are actually a dangerous man, because only a dangerous

1519
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 3: man will call himself a feminist. You must be a rapist.

1520
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 4: Men should like you. Go through that whole thing.

1521
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 3: So you got that part. Then you got just the

1522
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 3: people that just don't like him in general, because there's

1523
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,719
Speaker 3: always the I don't like that, because there's two schools

1524
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 3: to that. I don't like the male feminist shit, which

1525
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 3: is obviously the you know there's women that are like,

1526
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 3: I don't trust it. You know, you're just a wolf

1527
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 3: and she's clothing. And then there's always the people that

1528
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 3: are like, I hate all feminists periods. So you, being

1529
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 3: a man, call yourself a feminist. You playing for the

1530
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,759
Speaker 3: wrong team, so I hate you doubly. But then there's also,

1531
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 3: like I said, people that he's called rapists and shit

1532
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 3: on Twitter, and then they like come back to get

1533
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 3: some get back, you know, and this is a good

1534
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 3: time to be like, now, who's a rapist? You rapist?

1535
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 3: Ass rapist? Now he wasn't accused of raven anyone, but

1536
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 3: still like they don't care, you know what I mean,

1537
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 3: Like he's made, he's pissed enough people off. Yeah, he

1538
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 3: got dropped from his record label, Don Giovanni Records because

1539
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 3: he also had an out punk band. Uh, So that

1540
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 3: shit got dropped.

1541
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 4: They're like, we can't set albums right.

1542
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 3: And he was a pretty big like I said, I

1543
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 3: didn't know him like that, but he was a pretty

1544
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 3: big name. He was on coding uh MSNBC, written for

1545
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 3: a bunch of websites, including Jezebel, who cut whose article

1546
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 3: I'm reading right now? And yeah he uh. In twenty thirteen,

1547
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 3: he had a video on mal privilege. He told men

1548
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 3: listen to women don't be addict to women. In a

1549
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 3: podcast discussion about Eberhards domestic violence allegations against Johnny Depp,

1550
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:01,560
Speaker 3: he remarked, you a good person that believe women. In

1551
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 3: the same episode, he told kill Kenny, don't fucking validate

1552
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 3: all those dudes who were hitting on you when you

1553
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 3: when you were trying to do work. And a peace

1554
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 3: critique of male feminism, he touted as He's tired as

1555
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 3: an example of an ally who strikes the right tone,

1556
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 3: telling slack any struggle our faces about point one percent

1557
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 3: of the struggle women facing that day to day existence.

1558
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 3: For years, he was a prime example of how a

1559
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 3: good progressive man should act. But multiple women have recently

1560
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 3: come forward with stories of being singled out by the

1561
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 3: popular comedian they think had long Dad Long Gemard, who

1562
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,560
Speaker 3: they say he exploited his status and feminist principles to

1563
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,839
Speaker 3: make sexual advances towards them. The allegations of subsequent response

1564
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 3: has launched a conversation about allyship and men who called

1565
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 3: themselves feminists, adding a to a slowly developing conversation about

1566
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 3: misogyny in comedy. Yeah uh, there were people that like

1567
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 3: he would like I was going through a hard time,

1568
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 3: and he like would come on to me, talk to

1569
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 3: me about something and then basically try to fuck and

1570
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 3: then go on this radio show and brag about fucking me,

1571
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 3: which I'm like, how you know what I mean? Like?

1572
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 3: And then how do you tell people because everybody that's

1573
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 3: everybody's paved, everybody's fave, like not just whether they believe

1574
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 3: you or not, but they don't want to believe this

1575
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 3: of this dude, you know. But yeah, so Women in

1576
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 3: Media and News founder Jennifer Positor tweeted that Kilstein's behavior

1577
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 3: was inexcusable and pointed to a Twitter thread by writer

1578
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 3: Josh sh shari y'all hope on pronounce Shariyah. I think

1579
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 3: for that's how you pronounced it, but I may said

1580
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 3: it wrong, And I'm sorry because I actually follow that

1581
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 3: dude after Jamie Kilstein, I'm done with male feminists if

1582
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 3: you throw that term around your suspect to me. On Saturday,

1583
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 3: days after the allegation surface, Saturday Night Live, Ara to

1584
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 3: sketch LAMPOONI men who perform feminism to pick up women.

1585
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:57,799
Speaker 3: Jezbel talked to three women with stories outlininging how Kelstein

1586
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 3: allegedly uses feminism and popularity to make sex advances on them.

1587
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 3: One woman, who requested anonymity, first made the comedian as

1588
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 3: a fan. Was later invited to join the Citizen Radio

1589
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 3: podcast as his only staff man read at the time.

1590
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,719
Speaker 3: One year to the job, he decided that he wanted

1591
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:14,640
Speaker 3: me to travel to a show with him, and I

1592
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 3: had never done that before. On the train ride to

1593
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 3: a gig, he said, she said that he commented on

1594
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 3: how he looker might think that they were flirting. Later

1595
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 3: that day, he suggested watching TV together in her hotel room,

1596
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 3: and the relationship became sexual that night. According to the woman,

1597
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 3: Kilstein was still in a committed marriage to kill Kenny,

1598
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 3: but the affair stretch for almost two years. She said

1599
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 3: she tried to break things off multiple times but was

1600
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 3: unable to He never accepted that I was really done,

1601
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 3: So there were several times when I tried to break

1602
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 3: up the relationship. But he's my boss and I have

1603
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 3: to talk to him every day, and I have to

1604
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 3: answer his emails and I have to tweet at him.

1605
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 3: I had to convince people to pay him money to

1606
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 3: talk on stage, so if he wanted to talk to me,

1607
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 3: I had to talk to him. She left Citizen Radio

1608
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 3: September twenty fourteen, when the show ran out of money

1609
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 3: for her position, and continued a relationship with Kilstein until fifteen,

1610
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 3: when she said she ended all contact by blocking his

1611
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 3: phone number, email, dress and social media accounts. Yeah, that's

1612
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 3: that's also a while because that's your employee, right, So technically,

1613
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 3: how the fuck can they really say no while you're

1614
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 3: in the relationship Now after they left, I mean, who knows,

1615
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 3: because I mean it seems like it kept going for

1616
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 3: a while.

1617
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 4: What he said to her, Yeah, said I did this, this, this,

1618
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 4: and shame you, like not your feel like.

1619
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 3: You never know what he told her or just you

1620
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 3: know that emotional manipulation, Like you don't think I'm a

1621
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 3: bad guy. I can explain away all my shit. You

1622
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 3: see the kind of things I talk about when I'm

1623
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 3: not around. How how can you think I'm a bad guy.

1624
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure he wasn't being like I'm cheating

1625
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 3: on my wife because I'm just out here trying to

1626
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 3: get some puzzy Like I'm sure he was saying it

1627
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 3: in a way where it was like maybe they're having

1628
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 3: problems or something. You know, it wasn't I'm sure it

1629
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:59,560
Speaker 3: wasn't this You know overt ass way of coming on

1630
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 3: to people that we like to think of.

1631
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 4: You know.

1632
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 3: Another woman, at twenty two year old college student from Ohio,

1633
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 3: struck an online friendship with him after he liked one

1634
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 3: of her tweets in November twenty fifteen. He then sent

1635
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 3: her a direct message. I was starstruck, but he because

1636
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,960
Speaker 3: he's a pretty famous podcast, she said. In an interview

1637
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 3: with Jezebel, she mentioned that she and her boyfriend were

1638
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 3: big Citizen Radio fans. Later he gave her a shot

1639
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 3: out on the podcast, and then his messages turned into

1640
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 3: unwanted flirtations. She says he repeatedly mentioned her committed relationship.

1641
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 3: They obtained. Jezebel obtained screenshots of one segment of conversation

1642
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 3: where he told the woman, but if he hurts you,

1643
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 3: your rebound is now lined up, basically saying him, I guess.

1644
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 3: In another exchange, she asked Kelstein to tone down to flirting.

1645
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 3: He said he apologized, but later resume flirting with her.

1646
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 3: It was like a creepy dude at the bar, trying

1647
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 3: to get him to leave you alone. Bringing up a boyfriend.

1648
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 3: I thought, this is a feminist. I shouldn't have to

1649
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 3: have another man kind of to dissuade him from being

1650
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 3: creepy in respect of my boundary. She said that Kelstein

1651
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 3: offered to send her gifts, fly out to Ohio to

1652
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 3: meet her, and told her that he never met another

1653
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:05,639
Speaker 3: girl like her. She ended the Twitter conversation December twenty fifteen.

1654
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 3: I wondered if she had misinterpreted something or misbehaved in

1655
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 3: some way. He would always say these feminist ideals I

1656
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 3: aligned with. I was so confused why he was getting

1657
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:17,680
Speaker 3: kind of going against what feminist diod for. When I

1658
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 3: ended it, I would go through our messages and see

1659
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,639
Speaker 3: where I was wrong. I could have been more strict

1660
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:25,600
Speaker 3: with him. She said this alleged behavior to start contrasting

1661
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:27,679
Speaker 3: comments Kills scenes made on the four Minutes of Citizen

1662
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,560
Speaker 3: Radio podcast episode from this past August, in which he

1663
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 3: complained of getting too many flirty emails and stuff from

1664
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:37,000
Speaker 3: fans and told his listeners to stop trying to have sex.

1665
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 4: With me.

1666
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 3: Right because everything's yeah humble Bragg. Another long time Citizen

1667
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 3: Radio fan, Julie thirty two, says they formed an unlikely

1668
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 3: friendship actually sent him a Facebook message in twenty fifteen.

1669
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 3: His response was flirtations but at the time, Julie didn't

1670
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 3: consider it inappropriate. This is Jamie. He's a feminist, he's

1671
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 3: a safe person, she explained of her thought process about

1672
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 3: the situation. They met briefly at one of kill See

1673
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 3: shows in twenty fifteen, and she saw him again at

1674
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 3: another show in twenty sixteen. She offered to show his

1675
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 3: band a good vegan restaurant after the show, but she

1676
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 3: said he was more interested in hanging out with her alone.

1677
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 3: I was flattered, essentially charming me back this hotel that night,

1678
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 3: I chose to go. I'm a survivor of sexual assault,

1679
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 3: so me being able to touch a man again, it

1680
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 3: was a big deal to me. That night, she opened

1681
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 3: up the kill scene about her assault, and that night

1682
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 3: was actually really special to me, she said. I remember

1683
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 3: thinking I got to feel safe again tonight because of Jamie. However,

1684
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 3: months later she heard she said she heard him refer

1685
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:34,639
Speaker 3: to women he slept with on the tour as road

1686
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:38,479
Speaker 3: to fucks. On the podcast, Jezbel was not able to

1687
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 3: attain the episode containing this quote. As someone who listens religiously,

1688
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 3: I knew exactly. I knew he was speaking about me.

1689
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 3: She said, all of that trauma came crashing back down.

1690
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 3: In response, she wrote a letter about the shame, anger,

1691
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 3: and pain that he felt that she felt and sent

1692
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,720
Speaker 3: it to a weekly advice podcast, The Struggle Bus.

1693
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 4: That's my show. I'm not to get off topic, but

1694
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 4: for those who are out there, the Struggle Bus, there

1695
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 4: are these two white women and they talk about struggles,

1696
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 4: and they talk about all types of different struggles, and

1697
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:17,639
Speaker 4: it is actually a really, really great show. They're very open,

1698
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 4: they're very honest, they talk about mental health, they talk

1699
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 4: about soult suicide like it is a very great show.

1700
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 3: But go ahead, I'm sorry, no, no problem, So she

1701
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 3: wrote into that. The podcast co host Catherine Heller read

1702
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 3: it out loud in the episode called Pure Imagination in September,

1703
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 3: and the letter Julie was identified in the podcast by

1704
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 3: the pseudondym Mad Cat writes, I was nothing but a

1705
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,799
Speaker 3: conquest uh safety? How can I feel that after this experience,

1706
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:44,679
Speaker 3: after all the experiences, how do I trust?

1707
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 4: Uh?

1708
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 3: Her letter spur discussion on the podcast is private Facebook

1709
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 3: group in which women share similar experiences they had, and

1710
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 3: they realized that trauma pointed back to the same man.

1711
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 3: We shared notes on what he said as if it

1712
01:31:56,320 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 3: were a script and the previous uh mentioned woman who

1713
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,640
Speaker 3: works for k who worked for Kilstein. The woman I

1714
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 3: spoke to said that someone in the group approached killed

1715
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 3: Kenny about the allegation in February, but did not reveal whom.

1716
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 3: And the Facebook post February twenty seventh, Heller wrote that

1717
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 3: she too, up in experienced of inappropriate behavior from Kelstein,

1718
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 3: who I originally considered the inspiration and ally and a friend.

1719
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:21,600
Speaker 3: And yet she talked about how she couldn't appear on

1720
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 3: the show anymore. And it wasn't a hard decision to make,

1721
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 3: but it was a heartbreaking one. So yeah, now, of course,

1722
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,600
Speaker 3: no women that found like a formal complaint. There's no

1723
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 3: like accusation of criminal behavior. But you know, it is

1724
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:43,600
Speaker 3: that that fine line that people walk, man, And I

1725
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 3: don't know how, excuse me, I don't know how, Like

1726
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 3: people can be so like fucking one way in public

1727
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 3: and one way in private or whatever, like, and there

1728
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 3: is like a line where like you flirt with your friends,

1729
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 3: you make jokes like oh that's bay or whatever, but

1730
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 3: then there's also like you was cheating on your woman,

1731
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 3: you was trying to fuck, you was fucking women on

1732
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 3: the road, you were bragging about it on your show,

1733
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 3: and so you have.

1734
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 4: Who actually not and these are the women that they

1735
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 4: know of all these sad who knows how many hundreds

1736
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 4: of women that actually feel the same way, And just like,

1737
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:27,719
Speaker 4: fuck it, he talking about me, But I'm not gonna

1738
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 4: come forth. I don't want nobody to know who I am.

1739
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 4: But I'm on that list too. These are it's always,

1740
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 4: these are just the ones that they know of because

1741
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 4: the show is huge, y'all. They travel all types of

1742
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 4: things though her and who hundreds possibly maybe thousands of

1743
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 4: other women listen to that shit because you know, you

1744
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 4: present yourself as a feminism all shit you talking about me.

1745
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 3: I just feel sad for you know that the show

1746
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 3: and the people involved, because right, you know, it only

1747
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 3: takes one person to really fuck up a good thing.

1748
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,680
Speaker 3: That's it, you know. And then the other thing that's

1749
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 3: very weird to me is or it's just like, I

1750
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 3: don't feel threatened as a man that talks about these

1751
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:10,760
Speaker 3: things because I know there are people that are like

1752
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 3: and now, I mean, what's gonna happen to me if

1753
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:15,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go down? I don't feel bad and I

1754
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 3: don't feel threatened because I'm not gonna do this shit.

1755
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 3: Like I've seen people that were, like, I feel kind

1756
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:23,639
Speaker 3: of like it makes me feel sad or it makes

1757
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 3: me feel scared. And I'm a man and I operate

1758
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 3: and talk about feminist ideas and shit, and what's gonna

1759
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,680
Speaker 3: happen to me? I don't know. Don't go out here

1760
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 3: and be emotionally manipulative and try to fuck your fans

1761
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 3: and talk about it on your shows and shit, like

1762
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 3: maybe just don't do the things he did. I don't

1763
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 3: you know. It's like a cop saying like I'm scared

1764
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 3: that I'm gonna get accused of killing an innocent black person.

1765
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:52,719
Speaker 3: Then don't you know, maybe just don't shoot innocent blame people.

1766
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 3: I don't know what the why? That would be your

1767
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 3: biggest fear to me. The bigger fear would be having

1768
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 3: my show wilcome some gateway for people to fucking abuse

1769
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 3: and manipulate folks and then just hide behind the idea like,

1770
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:09,679
Speaker 3: but I'm popular on this show, you know, Like if

1771
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:12,639
Speaker 3: if I found out Justin was out here like doing

1772
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 3: something towards ship, that would that's more of my nightmare

1773
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 3: than fucking what about me? You know, you control your actions.

1774
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 3: You should know you know. I don't know, man, it

1775
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:27,640
Speaker 3: just felt weird, like I was, like, I saw a

1776
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 3: lot of like, but what how am I gonna still

1777
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 3: be a male feminist? I don't know, don't don't do

1778
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:37,680
Speaker 3: the things he did. Yeah, I don't know why that was.

1779
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 3: So it's not that deep. All right. Let's see Phase

1780
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 3: I Love got arrested at airport in Columbus for beating

1781
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 3: up employee at the airport. Phase I Love, Oh you

1782
01:35:54,120 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 3: mean want of these black feminists he was beating up? Well, Apparently,

1783
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 3: he played not guilty to assault in a valet at

1784
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 3: John Glenn Columbus International Airport. According to the court documents

1785
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 3: filed with Franklin County Municipal Court, Love and a twenty

1786
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 3: four year old man wearing a verbal argument when Love

1787
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 3: grabbed the man by his neck, threw him on the

1788
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 3: ground and into a desk. According to court documents, The

1789
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:22,680
Speaker 3: documents showed a man who he says he was cut

1790
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 3: above the eye. The incident happened near the valet booth

1791
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 3: and baggage claim. Defense attorneys John Moore explained that Love's

1792
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 3: car had been parked there for a couple of months

1793
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 3: as he traveled to different gigs. And he was coming

1794
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 3: back to his home in Columbus. He was innocent. He

1795
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 3: was basically just trying to get his car. He was

1796
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:40,559
Speaker 3: basically trying to get away from the incident. More said,

1797
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:44,679
Speaker 3: if you see the video, it's like his attorney's tripping.

1798
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 3: But you gotta say what you gotta say. He ain't innocent,

1799
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 3: like Nigga. He's definitely slammed that dude around and it

1800
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 3: wasn't a fight, like the person was just standing there

1801
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 3: and he basically bum rushed on you.

1802
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 4: You don't get the benefit down. I'm sorry.

1803
01:36:58,800 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's video.

1804
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 4: I don't even video. I just believe he did it.

1805
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:03,639
Speaker 4: You don't get the benefit of the doubt.

1806
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 3: Yes, he was surprised he was arrested. Yes, Yes, he

1807
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 3: was totally shocked by More said, Love has had run

1808
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:11,639
Speaker 3: ins before. The prosecutor listened, passes off charge of sexual battery,

1809
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:16,679
Speaker 3: domestic violence, and drugs. Sexual battery. Love was at least

1810
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 3: two thousand dollars bond. He walked out of the courthouse

1811
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 3: taking pictures of fans. Fans, y'all, Nigga showed up to

1812
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:27,360
Speaker 3: the Crouse for real. That's the thing. Somebody lost that cool.

1813
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 3: Somebody got tired a lesson, Love said. As Love left jail,

1814
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 3: he was asked if he would what he would say

1815
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:36,560
Speaker 3: to the Violet. He said, watch your mouth boy. He

1816
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 3: made light of the latest incident, saying it would be

1817
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,280
Speaker 3: part of his act when he performs at the Funny

1818
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 3: Bone next Wednesday, in a good way. Because I love Columbus,

1819
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:50,559
Speaker 3: he said, there you go, so watch a mouth valet

1820
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 3: boy get fucked up.

1821
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

1822
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 3: Yep, his fans just waiting on.

1823
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 4: Your benefit of doubt.

1824
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 3: But remy Ma says that she isn't particularly proud of

1825
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 3: sheathera mm hmm.

1826
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 4: What happened?

1827
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 3: Apparently she got interviewed on another round.

1828
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 4: Okay, I haven't heard it yet, this this episode, okay.

1829
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:22,280
Speaker 3: And she said she never wanted to go in on

1830
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 3: Nikki and had things not gonna left, she believed they

1831
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 3: could have eventually made great music together. I do not

1832
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 3: condone to recommend the tear down of another female. That's

1833
01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 3: not what I do, she said. Anybody that knows me

1834
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 3: knows that I embrace females. I think we work so

1835
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 3: much better than when we work together than when we

1836
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 3: help and when we help each other. However, in the

1837
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 3: event that you pissed me off. Where we woulcome arch

1838
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:46,639
Speaker 3: enemies run for cover?

1839
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 7: Uh?

1840
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 3: But black dynamite, I sell drugs in the community.

1841
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 2: Uh.

1842
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 3: She goes on to say, Uh, it just bothers me

1843
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 3: that this record when I put out where where it's

1844
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 3: literally picking a part of female, went so viral and

1845
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 3: every media outlet wants to talk about it and pick

1846
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 3: it up. Said Remy, I feel like we could have

1847
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:13,840
Speaker 3: done the same thing working together. I just personally think

1848
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 3: it would It would have been so much cool if

1849
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,360
Speaker 3: we came together and made something crazy. It could have

1850
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:21,160
Speaker 3: been totally different. I don't regret, sheitha, but I'm not

1851
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 3: particularly proud of it. Yeah, that that does not that

1852
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 3: seems very contradictory. Yeah, I don't know that. I you

1853
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 3: can't really take back.

1854
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 4: I mean you you did.

1855
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 3: You. I I just don't understand how Like I don't

1856
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 3: know that, Like I just don't understand her point of

1857
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 3: view on that one. I'll just say that because I mean,

1858
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 3: if you dissed them, motherfucker, you dissed them. It's not

1859
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 3: like you accidentally dissed them. You had seven minutes of

1860
01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:59,799
Speaker 3: shit to say about that woman, and then three momentutes

1861
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 3: too days later, Yeah, it wasn't. I mean it was

1862
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 3: on title and Apple and shit like, it wasn't an accident.

1863
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:10,840
Speaker 3: It wasn't just a misunderstanding. It's weird that then go

1864
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 3: back and be like, if we need to build, Like nah, nah,

1865
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 3: you did not seem to want to build. You seem

1866
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 3: to be completely fine with the way things were, so

1867
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:26,559
Speaker 3: I that seems like a weird thing to say. I'll

1868
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 3: just leave it at that. I still like she either like,

1869
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 3: I don't have any problem with it. Just you know,

1870
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 3: it's like throwing. It's like you did somebody and you

1871
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 3: hode your hand, you know, your money.

1872
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 4: I mean, if somebody get older, I don't. I don't know.

1873
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:43,720
Speaker 3: I think people want to I think people want to

1874
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:46,560
Speaker 3: sound good, and it just sounds better to be like,

1875
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 3: why can't we come together? Why can't we build? Like

1876
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 3: because that you chose to go in, you can't talk

1877
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 3: about her brother being a pedophile, saying she the fem

1878
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 3: and then be like, but why can't we get together?

1879
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:03,640
Speaker 3: Like you don't really want to get together, you just

1880
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 3: want to have it both ways. Maybe you just felt

1881
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 3: like it was the right thing to say on another round,

1882
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:11,920
Speaker 3: or maybe the question was one where yeah, and just

1883
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:15,719
Speaker 3: that that platform is very much like black women rooting

1884
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 3: for each other and ship. So maybe that was it.

1885
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:20,519
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know how that would be

1886
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:22,679
Speaker 3: a thing that he said.

1887
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:24,800
Speaker 4: You know, the song may have even put you to

1888
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 4: the point where you would even even consider that as

1889
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:29,559
Speaker 4: a guest. Who knows. Yeah, you may have already been

1890
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:29,920
Speaker 4: lined up.

1891
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, who knows. All right, let's get

1892
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 3: into the segments, all right, guys, I guess we'll start

1893
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 3: with that, uh, that old favorite fucking with black people.

1894
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 3: We're just fucking with those black people, with just fucking

1895
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:59,679
Speaker 3: with those blacks. We're just fucking looking with black people.

1896
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 3: That's right, guys. Time we all hate to play fucking

1897
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 3: with black people. The game where we go all around

1898
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 3: the glove and we find different articles and make us

1899
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 3: feel fuck with the will sign points. Scorse's still to

1900
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 3: one hundred animals and twenty five today's contestants. Everybody, everybody,

1901
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 3: Uh oh, uncle Chuck is is back in the news.

1902
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 3: Charles Barkley says a lot of black people are full

1903
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 3: of shit. Mm hmm, yep. He had an interview with

1904
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 3: the Shadow League when he was asked about blacks who

1905
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 3: question his blackness. He said he doesn't worry about criticism

1906
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 3: from his own people.

1907
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:36,640
Speaker 4: Oh, we know you don't care you this is not

1908
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 4: new to us.

1909
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:41,840
Speaker 3: I don't worry about that. Listen, my track record speaks

1910
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 3: for himself. The one thing I learned and the black

1911
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 3: man is every time I say something that's not one

1912
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:50,920
Speaker 3: hundred percent in agreement with the black community, there's a

1913
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 3: fashion to go crazy. I don't care about that. People

1914
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 3: say to me, man, did you just give a million

1915
01:42:57,320 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 3: dollars to a historically black college? I say yeah, And

1916
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 3: they say, but why didn't you tell anybody? And I say,

1917
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to impress those cocksuckers. I just gave

1918
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 3: to more House clock Atlanta and Alabama A and M

1919
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:16,120
Speaker 3: in Huntsville a million dollars. Black kids go to college.

1920
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 3: I just gave au Burn two men of recrew black kids.

1921
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:23,640
Speaker 3: I'm good with my blackness. Listen, man, one thing I

1922
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:26,400
Speaker 3: understand about being black and famous is a lot of

1923
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 3: black people are full of shit. I'm good with that.

1924
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 3: So he gave money to the HBCUs. Y'all not, I mean?

1925
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:36,760
Speaker 3: And people ask him all the time, why don't you

1926
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:38,559
Speaker 3: tell people? And He's like, I ain't gonna tell nobody

1927
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:42,160
Speaker 3: that I gave specifical amounts to three different universities I

1928
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 3: just named in this interview. I'm not gonna tell nobody

1929
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:50,000
Speaker 3: that that's between me and those universities. Okay, I'm not

1930
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:54,439
Speaker 3: wanting to brag on myself to try to prove my blackness. Okay,

1931
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:57,680
Speaker 3: you can ask more House Clock Atlanta, Alabama, A and

1932
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:00,920
Speaker 3: m okay million dollars to help them black kids. But

1933
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,320
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna tell nobody, Okay, tween me and them.

1934
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:06,760
Speaker 3: So you'll find out when you find out, if you

1935
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 3: find out, if somebody want to tell you, but don't

1936
01:44:09,439 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 3: question my blackness, all right, uh so yeah, zero can.

1937
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 4: It's it's Charles. It's Charles Barkley. Uh uh up till

1938
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 4: mm hmm. This it's kind of hard, you know what,

1939
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give a.

1940
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 3: Hunt that's terrible caring. I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead

1941
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 3: and give him a hundred twelve. I'm gonna give him.

1942
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't win any rings, but I'm gonna

1943
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,200
Speaker 3: give him a hundred. Yeah, he got a hundred. Come

1944
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:48,840
Speaker 3: on out. I love how I love how certain people

1945
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,160
Speaker 3: is called or pro pro blackness always end up with

1946
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 3: telling how every all all the other black people ain't shit.

1947
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:58,760
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something, I'm not afraid to say

1948
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:01,800
Speaker 3: black people ain't shit, nigga. No one's afraid to say

1949
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 3: black people ain't shit. That ain't exactly a revolutionary statement.

1950
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 4: And you basically, I don't care nobodyig opinions when I

1951
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:11,200
Speaker 4: say fucked up shit and I'm anti black and people

1952
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:14,519
Speaker 4: go yeah, people and people coming at you. You know,

1953
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:17,839
Speaker 4: some of the Creek Orgica's not a valid but particularly

1954
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:20,479
Speaker 4: when you've been anti black something.

1955
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:23,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish he just honestly, man, I don't have

1956
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:25,760
Speaker 3: a problem with his hot takes on sports and ship

1957
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:28,720
Speaker 3: to be honest, Like, if you want to be rude,

1958
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 3: it's how NBA games terrible and say all the good

1959
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:34,720
Speaker 3: teams are trash and it was better back in your day.

1960
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 3: I don't mind that shit as much. I know a

1961
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:38,560
Speaker 3: lot of people getting mad at him for being the

1962
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:42,120
Speaker 3: honoory old. I'll tell it like it is going on TNT.

1963
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 3: That doesn't bother me. I only started watching TNT because

1964
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:47,120
Speaker 3: I was like, why are you niggas talking about Ferguson

1965
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:47,439
Speaker 3: and shit?

1966
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 4: Right?

1967
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 3: Like you don't see Joe Buck having to give a

1968
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:55,439
Speaker 3: conversation about Ferguson. You don't see ESPN taking uh fucking

1969
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 3: Mike jack Mark Jackson and Van Gundy and being like, hey,

1970
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,680
Speaker 3: can y'all break down what happened in Ferguson this week?

1971
01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:04,360
Speaker 3: Only tn T would do that. And I'm like, none

1972
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 3: of these niggas are scholars. None of these niggas are

1973
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 3: well versed. They're not activists. They don't speak on these

1974
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 3: things in general.

1975
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:13,519
Speaker 4: Between basketball.

1976
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:15,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want Charles to have the Race Card

1977
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:17,840
Speaker 3: as a TV show and ship like that. I don't

1978
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 3: mind him saying Lebron James is soft to some bullshit

1979
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:23,400
Speaker 3: that I don't agree with because at least that sports

1980
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:29,360
Speaker 3: you know, but they like, they really like do a disservice,

1981
01:46:30,160 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 3: uh to a lot of the NBA brand and a

1982
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:36,040
Speaker 3: lot of the TNT brand by trotting this dude out

1983
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 3: here knowing he's ignorant and knowing that he takes pride

1984
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 3: and making he takes pride and pissing a lot of

1985
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 3: black people off, like right, I don't understand why they

1986
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:48,000
Speaker 3: Why why you would give somebody that Well, I do

1987
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:49,439
Speaker 3: understand why they gave him nothing.

1988
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 4: Because if you pissed white people off. They would get

1989
01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 4: your ass off the air because they would demand that

1990
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 4: your black ass not be on air.

1991
01:46:56,479 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 3: A racist craft beer labels services online. Apparently Ralph Marion

1992
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 3: goes effecially by the name of Beard black Man on Twitter,

1993
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:12,280
Speaker 3: and he was show bowing his love for craft the

1994
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:16,160
Speaker 3: craft beer industry, as many beer facionados do. It was

1995
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 3: Mary who discovered and raised a brow when he came

1996
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 3: across a stout appreciating the hashtag black Lives Matter movement

1997
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 3: popular beer rating title untapped and it says black stouts matter.

1998
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:33,439
Speaker 3: Hashtag black stouts Matter is a label across the front,

1999
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 3: complete with a hashtag, as if it's promoting the movement. So, yeah,

2000
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:44,840
Speaker 3: it's a beer hashtag black stouts this matter. I guess

2001
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:49,599
Speaker 3: it's a dark stout beer. Well, what do you think?

2002
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:55,280
Speaker 3: Zero to one hundred cans? All right, one hundred shout

2003
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:56,639
Speaker 3: out to all the black people getting in and talking

2004
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:59,600
Speaker 3: about craft beer. Though didn't know, you know, you just

2005
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 3: never know what niggas into. We into everything, man, like

2006
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:05,840
Speaker 3: where's my forty aegis? Talks about it, hearing people talk

2007
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:06,200
Speaker 3: about it.

2008
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:09,200
Speaker 4: When I go out, I actually start ordering more craft

2009
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:14,000
Speaker 4: beers and more locally brew beers with like different types

2010
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 4: of variations of fruits and it has been a fun journey.

2011
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, CESPN network talking about it. I mean a lot

2012
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:22,360
Speaker 3: of people talking about it.

2013
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing. That's the thing. Niggas is really

2014
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 4: into everything. It's nothing to just strictly think.

2015
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:31,679
Speaker 3: You just never know. But yeah, one hundred A judge

2016
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:35,600
Speaker 3: order stiff. A judge orders stiff sentences for two in

2017
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:39,679
Speaker 3: the Douglasville hate crime. So apparently there was this hate crime.

2018
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:41,560
Speaker 3: I think we may have covered on the show, but

2019
01:48:42,040 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 3: there are some people waving Confederate flags and guns and

2020
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:48,040
Speaker 3: threatening a black kid as birthday party and shit, and

2021
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:52,840
Speaker 3: they got arrested and so they got sentenced just this

2022
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 3: last week, and they got some pretty stiff prison sentences

2023
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 3: for that party, disrupting the African American birthday party with

2024
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:07,000
Speaker 3: con federal flags, racial slurs, and arm threats, which you know,

2025
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 3: the arm threats is pretty bill Uh. It's funny because

2026
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people that are scared and upset, like,

2027
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:18,640
Speaker 3: how can you do this to them and give them

2028
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:21,120
Speaker 3: these these very long sentences.

2029
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:24,960
Speaker 4: White people got to be even when they fucking commit crimes,

2030
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:26,479
Speaker 4: they've got to be the most victim.

2031
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, now one of I think one of them isn't

2032
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:36,439
Speaker 3: even uh, one of them isn't even white like his

2033
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:38,560
Speaker 3: like his last name is Torres or some shit, and

2034
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:45,240
Speaker 3: he still was being racist. But yeah, they sent uh.

2035
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 3: The judge superior to court, Judge William McClain, castigated the two,

2036
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 3: uh Kayla Ray Norton and jose Ismael Torres, which I mean,

2037
01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:00,840
Speaker 3: for real, bro, like, who what do you think you

2038
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:04,360
Speaker 3: follow on the list of you out here with a

2039
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 3: Confederate flag and gun picking on black kid, and when

2040
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:11,040
Speaker 3: you get to the white supremacists meaning they like, boy,

2041
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:13,560
Speaker 3: you know, you can't come in here like like, but

2042
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:16,360
Speaker 3: I hate black people, we hate all of y'all, right,

2043
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:22,040
Speaker 3: beat it right, but yeah, uh. He sent us tore

2044
01:50:22,040 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 3: As to twenty years, with thirteen to serve in prisident.

2045
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 3: Norton got fifteen years or sixty serve. Upon their release,

2046
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:30,679
Speaker 3: McLain ordered them to be permanently bandished from Douglas County.

2047
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:37,080
Speaker 3: The actions were motivated by racial hatred. McClain said, good,

2048
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:40,720
Speaker 3: I mean, it's about time, you know somebody would at

2049
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 3: least recognize it and and and and bring it up,

2050
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:49,240
Speaker 3: you know, and confront it, right and The.

2051
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:51,479
Speaker 4: Way this was covered was terrible. It's one of the

2052
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:55,520
Speaker 4: things why I asked about, what about the kids in Wisconsin?

2053
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 4: What about the white on white crime? How would they

2054
01:50:57,640 --> 01:51:02,600
Speaker 4: raise these dogs? Turned around and bastest birthday party? You know,

2055
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:05,880
Speaker 4: nobody is presented like that. It's all these poor white people.

2056
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:08,799
Speaker 4: These people were mind of their own fucking business.

2057
01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:14,200
Speaker 3: Right a kid, right, you know, like a child and.

2058
01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 4: Uh shot at the Black Ass podcast. She was talking

2059
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 4: about how the parents invested all this money, like this

2060
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:22,719
Speaker 4: baby didn't have no cheap birthday part Like their parents

2061
01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:25,960
Speaker 4: went all out. So you know, if a black parent

2062
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:28,320
Speaker 4: is spending all this money no on the birthday party,

2063
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:30,280
Speaker 4: ain't nowhere the hell you're gonna come and ruined the

2064
01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:32,760
Speaker 4: birthday party. They didn't go to McDonald's. They actually spent

2065
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 4: invested some money in their child.

2066
01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:37,400
Speaker 3: And I sit up here and y'all gotta ruin it

2067
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 3: right now.

2068
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:40,439
Speaker 4: They gotta do with some racist ass flags. Unless you

2069
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 4: could have bought a president or some shit, you just

2070
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:43,519
Speaker 4: came and ruined the party.

2071
01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:46,040
Speaker 3: They must have been feeling strong off of that. That

2072
01:51:46,160 --> 01:51:49,599
Speaker 3: Trump juice, Come mom, that Trump juice is real people.

2073
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 4: Surprise. Josey whatever his name is, they ain't saying they

2074
01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:55,360
Speaker 4: ain't to put him back to Canada's I mean, Mexico

2075
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:59,240
Speaker 4: is part of his sentence. Yeah, well that's icing ice him.

2076
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:00,720
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

2077
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:08,080
Speaker 3: Not yet. That's this is uh the video.

2078
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:08,920
Speaker 2: This is a.

2079
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:18,080
Speaker 3: Morning look at this.

2080
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 4: Listen to y'all again. Listen to y'all again.

2081
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they so extra. They got like fucking forty fucking

2082
01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:40,479
Speaker 3: flags on each truck. You all right. So that's the video,

2083
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:53,800
Speaker 3: and then that's the perpetrators and that's them crying during sentencing.

2084
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:01,040
Speaker 7: Up.

2085
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:13,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my god. They really put mad

2086
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:15,800
Speaker 3: worlds there with them.

2087
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:21,240
Speaker 4: Crime. Yeah, you go to jail. Mm hmm. This was

2088
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:23,839
Speaker 4: the other way around to be the fucking top story.

2089
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:26,840
Speaker 4: And people be calling them thugs and gangsters and talking

2090
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:28,960
Speaker 4: about the kids in Chicago and what about black on

2091
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:30,400
Speaker 4: black vinus fuck them?

2092
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:33,800
Speaker 3: Uh yep. Torres did not address the court well during

2093
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:36,160
Speaker 3: the proceedings only Crime, when three of his family members

2094
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:38,479
Speaker 3: took the stand to describe him as a hard working plumber,

2095
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:42,840
Speaker 3: volunteer football coach, and devoted father three His children's mother. Norton, however,

2096
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:45,120
Speaker 3: addressed several people who attended the birthday party and had

2097
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:48,280
Speaker 3: come to witness the citizen. I do not accept responsibility

2098
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:51,240
Speaker 3: for what I've done, Norton said, choking on her words,

2099
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:53,320
Speaker 3: and she spoke directly to the group. What happened to

2100
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:56,040
Speaker 3: you was absolutely awful. From mother to mother, I cannot

2101
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:59,559
Speaker 3: imagine having explained what that word means. Norton was referring

2102
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:01,960
Speaker 3: to the race, ever, that her group respect the flag,

2103
01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:06,560
Speaker 3: respect the flag right repeatedly herald at the party attendees,

2104
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:11,240
Speaker 3: which included caring, it's about Southern heritage of pride. I

2105
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:14,160
Speaker 3: don't know why people keep associating this with racism. I

2106
01:54:14,240 --> 01:54:18,040
Speaker 3: can't just be proud of my flag passion. Her group

2107
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:21,439
Speaker 3: respect the flag repeatedly hurled at the party attendees, which

2108
01:54:22,120 --> 01:54:26,479
Speaker 3: included adults and small children. Douglas Assistant District Attorney David

2109
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:30,280
Speaker 3: and Maddy detail how the group had gone on a

2110
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:33,520
Speaker 3: drunken rap page to Douglas and Paulding Counties July twenty

2111
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:36,520
Speaker 3: fourth and July twenty fifth. How long was yall niggas drunk?

2112
01:54:37,480 --> 01:54:40,760
Speaker 4: None of that? Why wouldn't driving drunk.

2113
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:44,520
Speaker 3: And pickup trucks laid in with Confederate battle flags? Amighty said.

2114
01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:47,720
Speaker 3: The group threatened black motorists, yelled at them and walked

2115
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:49,520
Speaker 3: up to one of their cars with a gun. They

2116
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 3: also threatened African American shoppers at Paulden County Walmart and

2117
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:56,520
Speaker 3: at a convenience store. Many good people in Paulden County

2118
01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:58,720
Speaker 3: saw you for what you are, mcclan said before he

2119
01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:01,720
Speaker 3: handed down the sentences. Everywhere you went nine one one

2120
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:03,400
Speaker 3: call senters were flooded with calls.

2121
01:55:03,680 --> 01:55:05,640
Speaker 4: Oh, I should have said, because because of what they're doing,

2122
01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:08,200
Speaker 4: they was getting bombarded with calls. They was like, look,

2123
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 4: nah down and somebody whoever the judge was, I don't

2124
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:14,080
Speaker 4: know who the judge was, was like, look even if

2125
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:16,160
Speaker 4: he tried the quote uncording Norton washing it up. They

2126
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:17,760
Speaker 4: were like, look, we got fun of one hundred and

2127
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:19,840
Speaker 4: now on one calls. I got to you you you

2128
01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:21,120
Speaker 4: tied my hands when.

2129
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:22,840
Speaker 3: I got the Senate, Shoot, I want to report a

2130
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:26,080
Speaker 3: hate crime, he said of one of the calls, Knowing

2131
01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:28,440
Speaker 3: that her children's father continued to cry, the two are

2132
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:31,480
Speaker 3: not married. Why is that in the article? The two

2133
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:36,200
Speaker 3: are not married? Really? AJC dot com? The fuck what

2134
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:37,200
Speaker 3: they have to do with anything?

2135
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:38,680
Speaker 4: What?

2136
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:40,640
Speaker 2: Uh?

2137
01:55:41,200 --> 01:55:44,320
Speaker 3: This is a double hundred man, What the fuck? It

2138
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:50,200
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with ship? Yeah, I don't know

2139
01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:53,440
Speaker 3: what that has to do with anything, of course.

2140
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:55,160
Speaker 4: Because you said you talked about his wife.

2141
01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:58,000
Speaker 3: His wife which is not her, was on you know,

2142
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:06,520
Speaker 3: was okay, So the white girl who is the she

2143
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:09,040
Speaker 3: Norton is the white girl who was part of the

2144
01:56:09,080 --> 01:56:11,600
Speaker 3: hate crime. And they're saying her parents aren't married, but

2145
01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:16,680
Speaker 3: it still feels so irrelevant. Oh no, they're saying her

2146
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:20,360
Speaker 3: and her children's father are not Okay, her and her

2147
01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:23,040
Speaker 3: baby daddy ain't married. That's what they were saying. Oh okay, okay,

2148
01:56:23,080 --> 01:56:25,840
Speaker 3: Now I thought they were talking about her parents. All right, Okay,

2149
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:28,280
Speaker 3: all right, I guess I guess they're trying to just

2150
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:30,320
Speaker 3: break down, like, is she a white woman? She she

2151
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:32,720
Speaker 3: shitting on these women. She ain't got a man. I

2152
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:35,400
Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe that was the shade. I take it back,

2153
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:37,680
Speaker 3: a JC, Yeah, I take it back. As she addressed

2154
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:39,720
Speaker 3: the victims, Norton said that she and Torres made a

2155
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:42,760
Speaker 3: choice to attend both days of her group Frenzy. It

2156
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 3: was an option she now regretted. The worst decision I've

2157
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:46,880
Speaker 3: made in my life was not to walk was to

2158
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:49,240
Speaker 3: not walk away, walk away when I had the choice.

2159
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 3: McLean noted that Torres and Norton acted with the full

2160
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:54,880
Speaker 3: knowledge that less than a month earlier, white supremacist Dylan

2161
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:57,880
Speaker 3: Ruth had massacred non African Americans at the Charstity South

2162
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:00,760
Speaker 3: Carolina Church, and just as several members other victims family

2163
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:04,280
Speaker 3: in that case publicly forgave Ruth in the South Carolina courtroom.

2164
01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:06,760
Speaker 3: How you Shaw? Brian thirty four off of forgiveness to

2165
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:09,520
Speaker 3: Norton and Torres. She had attended the birthday party in

2166
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:11,800
Speaker 3: eight year old celebration complete with a jumpy castle on

2167
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:19,000
Speaker 3: snowcome machine. She also reminded the deal was right. She

2168
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:21,760
Speaker 3: also reminded them of the choices they make over two

2169
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:25,919
Speaker 3: days that ultimately led to McClain's pack Douglas County Courtroom.

2170
01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:27,880
Speaker 3: I never thought this would be something I'd have to

2171
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:31,120
Speaker 3: endure in twenty seventeen. Brian, Again, as adults and parents,

2172
01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:33,520
Speaker 3: we have to instill in our children the values of

2173
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:36,160
Speaker 3: right and wrong. That moment you had to choose to leave,

2174
01:57:36,240 --> 01:57:39,040
Speaker 3: and you stayed. Then, Brian clushed her chest, leaning forward

2175
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:40,760
Speaker 3: towards Torres and Norton to look them in the eyes.

2176
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:43,000
Speaker 3: I forgive all of you. I don't have any hate

2177
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:46,160
Speaker 3: in my heart. Life is too short for that. I

2178
01:57:46,280 --> 01:57:50,080
Speaker 3: guess Torres and Norton, who earlier were found guilty of

2179
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:53,520
Speaker 3: violating the State street gang terrorism law, continue to tremble

2180
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:57,640
Speaker 3: and cry. Their attorneys argue for lighter sentences, saying the

2181
01:57:57,680 --> 01:58:01,240
Speaker 3: two defendants, Thomas Charles Summers and Lacy Paul Henderson the second,

2182
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:03,960
Speaker 3: have pleaded guilty the terroristic threats and battery charges and

2183
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:07,360
Speaker 3: receive less time than Norton and Torres were facing. Summers

2184
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:09,800
Speaker 3: is serving four years in prison and Henderson is serving too,

2185
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:12,760
Speaker 3: but claim, however, said Torres and Norton would have to

2186
01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:15,080
Speaker 3: answer for the behavior. He also called in the question

2187
01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:17,600
Speaker 3: the Dougasfield Police Department's decision not to arrest any of

2188
01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:20,120
Speaker 3: the Respect the Flag group that day. He called it

2189
01:58:20,200 --> 01:58:24,960
Speaker 3: inexplicable and a very bad mistake. Com Y, yep, zero

2190
01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:25,680
Speaker 3: tie hundred.

2191
01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:28,920
Speaker 4: Can oh, I'm not fucked with it. I'll nah not

2192
01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:32,440
Speaker 4: go to jail past, do not pass, go not collect

2193
01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:34,400
Speaker 4: two hundred dollars. Mm hmm.

2194
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:39,600
Speaker 3: Now I'm not fucked with us all either. Sometimes you

2195
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:42,080
Speaker 3: just gotta go. You gotta go jail.

2196
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:45,080
Speaker 4: It's not sometimes you got to go to jail.

2197
01:58:45,160 --> 01:58:52,200
Speaker 3: I don't gotta feel bad about it. You go on

2198
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:55,720
Speaker 3: jail now, I'm black. That black kid didn't do nothing to.

2199
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:59,400
Speaker 4: You, Right, you ruined that baby, hardy, and now you

2200
01:58:59,480 --> 01:59:00,680
Speaker 4: want to be in but that for the rest of

2201
01:59:00,720 --> 01:59:01,200
Speaker 4: their life.

2202
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now you want to be a victim on the

2203
01:59:03,120 --> 01:59:07,240
Speaker 3: back end, Right, you victimized an eight yearl But on

2204
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:10,080
Speaker 3: the back end, you want to be like what, I'm

2205
01:59:10,160 --> 01:59:10,879
Speaker 3: so sorry.

2206
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:16,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I but that dude with the three kids, he'd

2207
01:59:16,120 --> 01:59:18,720
Speaker 4: have some birthday parties and the black some black people

2208
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:20,880
Speaker 4: would have came in and ruined his chest's birthday party,

2209
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:21,800
Speaker 4: had a fucking fit.

2210
01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:25,800
Speaker 3: Fuck you, yep, especially after Dylan Ruth.

2211
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:28,400
Speaker 4: Come on, right, so people were already heightened. They didn't

2212
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:30,840
Speaker 4: know if you were gonna shoot them or kill them.

2213
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:34,080
Speaker 4: And then you rin around fucking terrorizing people in this era,

2214
01:59:34,280 --> 01:59:37,000
Speaker 4: right after Daling Roof, you pull that guns on people.

2215
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:39,680
Speaker 4: Black people just minded their fucking business, and people wonder

2216
01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:41,920
Speaker 4: why black people are always in a panic and why

2217
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:44,040
Speaker 4: black people go, Nah, I get too many white people together.

2218
01:59:44,040 --> 01:59:45,560
Speaker 4: I got to check out. I got to leave. I

2219
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:48,360
Speaker 4: don't want to be the only one nowhere anymore, because

2220
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:50,760
Speaker 4: you go, hey, if the tide turns, I'm gonna I

2221
01:59:50,840 --> 01:59:52,000
Speaker 4: might be a victim.

2222
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:59,560
Speaker 3: Who radicalizing these white folks, man, right, who radicalizing these

2223
01:59:59,560 --> 02:00:04,520
Speaker 3: white folks? Like we always talking about we always like

2224
02:00:04,600 --> 02:00:10,800
Speaker 3: people always talking about, like who's radicalizing Muslims or or

2225
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:14,280
Speaker 3: you know, terrorist organization or Black lives matters terrorists and

2226
02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:19,240
Speaker 3: shit like that. Who is radicalizing these white folks? I

2227
02:00:19,400 --> 02:00:23,360
Speaker 3: just want to know somebody is right? I mean, why

2228
02:00:23,400 --> 02:00:26,440
Speaker 3: don't that count them? I mean, that's a whole last

2229
02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:29,800
Speaker 3: group that ain't a terrorist organization. Make a terroristic threats

2230
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:32,560
Speaker 3: to a child at their birthday party, that's a whole

2231
02:00:32,640 --> 02:00:35,919
Speaker 3: last group. There weren't one or two people. That's an organization.

2232
02:00:36,240 --> 02:00:41,560
Speaker 3: They communicate. That's a sale. It's a terrorist sale anyway,

2233
02:00:41,600 --> 02:00:44,800
Speaker 3: A hundred one hundred for the original of fraction, but

2234
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:46,520
Speaker 3: zero for these niggas going to jail for a long

2235
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:47,920
Speaker 3: time peace.

2236
02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:51,360
Speaker 4: I don't care yah to jail.

2237
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,000
Speaker 3: Wouldn't want to be here crime.

2238
02:00:54,240 --> 02:00:57,240
Speaker 4: And you know, I understand forgiveness and things like that,

2239
02:00:57,400 --> 02:00:59,720
Speaker 4: but what pisces me of wise black people expected to

2240
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:02,000
Speaker 4: fig give you and they're still bleeding get the fuck

2241
02:01:02,040 --> 02:01:02,480
Speaker 4: out of here?

2242
02:01:03,160 --> 02:01:06,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I ain't. I mean, everybody's journey is individual, and

2243
02:01:06,920 --> 02:01:09,600
Speaker 3: if you wanna forgive somebody, then that's your right. But yeah,

2244
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:10,720
Speaker 3: I right, the.

2245
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:14,680
Speaker 4: Wound, and I'm like, I know, I just sad. Can

2246
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:15,560
Speaker 4: you forget get the.

2247
02:01:17,160 --> 02:01:19,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think the media like hypes up the

2248
02:01:19,400 --> 02:01:21,960
Speaker 3: people that do that because they know it's not it

2249
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:24,000
Speaker 3: shouldn't be expected, and they know people don't deserve it,

2250
02:01:24,040 --> 02:01:26,080
Speaker 3: and they know it's sensational and that's why they hype

2251
02:01:26,160 --> 02:01:28,480
Speaker 3: up the people that do it. But yeah, I feel

2252
02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:31,320
Speaker 3: like you can't even can't even get a breath before.

2253
02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:33,520
Speaker 4: It's like you don't even go through the healing process.

2254
02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:34,320
Speaker 4: Get out of here.

2255
02:01:35,280 --> 02:01:42,520
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, So okay, let's see a video of

2256
02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:45,240
Speaker 3: a white student's racist remark prompt a protest at a

2257
02:01:45,240 --> 02:01:50,400
Speaker 3: North Carolina school. So apparently you see.

2258
02:01:50,280 --> 02:01:50,480
Speaker 4: What I.

2259
02:01:57,960 --> 02:02:00,560
Speaker 3: Oh, black, I think I heard black Pece some ship

2260
02:02:01,560 --> 02:02:02,360
Speaker 3: in there somewhere.

2261
02:02:05,240 --> 02:02:06,600
Speaker 4: No, you're playing the video, we kids.

2262
02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:09,160
Speaker 3: I can't see the video that I'm thinking of.

2263
02:02:09,200 --> 02:02:10,440
Speaker 4: That's what you're trying to do. We don't see it.

2264
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:13,360
Speaker 3: Oh because I didn't hit share yet. Okay, hold on,

2265
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:17,040
Speaker 3: sorry about that all right. Now, let's see if I

2266
02:02:17,080 --> 02:02:23,440
Speaker 3: can try see if it shares this time, something went

2267
02:02:23,480 --> 02:02:25,600
Speaker 3: wrong publishing to the stream. Okay, let's try it one

2268
02:02:25,600 --> 02:02:33,240
Speaker 3: more time. Guys should be showing up in a second,

2269
02:02:33,960 --> 02:03:02,880
Speaker 3: there you go. All right, So it looks like the

2270
02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:06,000
Speaker 3: white dude did something to the black kid to start this.

2271
02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:17,360
Speaker 3: Pieces Oh well, it looked like the black dude grabbed

2272
02:03:17,360 --> 02:03:18,960
Speaker 3: his book bag and threw him to the ground. So

2273
02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:23,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if he what started us and we

2274
02:03:23,120 --> 02:03:25,280
Speaker 3: caught it in the middle or what. Let me see,

2275
02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:28,720
Speaker 3: let me read this article, all right. Michael Street, a

2276
02:03:28,760 --> 02:03:30,760
Speaker 3: black student that wake Farest High School in North Carolina,

2277
02:03:30,760 --> 02:03:32,760
Speaker 3: was suspended from school at the altercation between him and

2278
02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:34,880
Speaker 3: a white student. Video of the incident was shared on

2279
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:37,320
Speaker 3: Instagram by using Tighter Goodell, who said his friend Michael

2280
02:03:37,360 --> 02:03:39,880
Speaker 3: was defending himself from racist abuse. The video starts with

2281
02:03:39,960 --> 02:03:42,200
Speaker 3: a white student already on the floor, escalates towards the

2282
02:03:42,320 --> 02:03:44,800
Speaker 3: end when the teacher steps in, similarly yelling the Street

2283
02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:47,160
Speaker 3: for getting physical with the student. Teacher responds in a

2284
02:03:47,160 --> 02:03:49,360
Speaker 3: way that is dismissive of Michael's concern, noting that the

2285
02:03:49,400 --> 02:03:52,400
Speaker 3: white student only used words. Based on the video, it

2286
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:55,040
Speaker 3: sounds as though the white student called Michaeh a black

2287
02:03:55,080 --> 02:03:55,640
Speaker 3: piece of shit.

2288
02:03:56,320 --> 02:03:56,440
Speaker 2: Uh.

2289
02:03:56,520 --> 02:03:59,320
Speaker 3: Street told CBS North Carolina the altercation happened as a

2290
02:03:59,360 --> 02:04:01,560
Speaker 3: result of the other students racist remarks over the last

2291
02:04:01,600 --> 02:04:03,960
Speaker 3: few months. He said he lost his tailbra after being

2292
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:06,480
Speaker 3: threatened by the other students. Street was originally intended for

2293
02:04:07,080 --> 02:04:09,320
Speaker 3: suspended for school for ten days, but it was later

2294
02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:12,400
Speaker 3: reduced to five students at the school channing and protesting

2295
02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:16,880
Speaker 3: and support Mica on Monday, bring Michael back. He was

2296
02:04:16,920 --> 02:04:19,720
Speaker 3: a chant. His mother told CBS, how am I gonna

2297
02:04:19,720 --> 02:04:21,400
Speaker 3: send my son back to wake Forest? And what I

2298
02:04:21,560 --> 02:04:23,800
Speaker 3: want to What I want to know because I'm sending

2299
02:04:23,880 --> 02:04:25,640
Speaker 3: him back to the shooting range is what I'm doing.

2300
02:04:25,880 --> 02:04:30,480
Speaker 3: So I'm totally clueless. I don't know what to do. Yeah,

2301
02:04:30,640 --> 02:04:35,520
Speaker 3: So it sounds like from the description the video is

2302
02:04:35,680 --> 02:04:42,320
Speaker 3: catching him retaliating after he's been harassed for a long time. Well,

2303
02:04:42,360 --> 02:04:45,040
Speaker 3: it's interesting, right because on the one hand, you don't

2304
02:04:45,080 --> 02:04:49,480
Speaker 3: want to get physical, and it almost always does lead

2305
02:04:49,560 --> 02:04:53,120
Speaker 3: to worst response results for the black person. On the

2306
02:04:53,240 --> 02:04:54,680
Speaker 3: other hand, you're only human.

2307
02:04:55,440 --> 02:04:59,000
Speaker 4: You're gonna take so much right, like you can only Yeah,

2308
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:03,040
Speaker 4: you like like don't understand. And then you know, everybody

2309
02:05:03,360 --> 02:05:06,000
Speaker 4: put like this, And what's really bitly frustrating with me

2310
02:05:06,160 --> 02:05:08,920
Speaker 4: is that people put unrealistic expectations on other people that

2311
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:11,520
Speaker 4: they don't put on themselves. You know, for some people

2312
02:05:11,600 --> 02:05:13,200
Speaker 4: if you look at them halfway wrong, they're ready to

2313
02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:15,720
Speaker 4: go upside your head. But just you expect other people

2314
02:05:15,800 --> 02:05:18,400
Speaker 4: to just be patient and tolerable and just take all

2315
02:05:18,480 --> 02:05:20,680
Speaker 4: types of shit and take all types of abuse and

2316
02:05:20,840 --> 02:05:23,480
Speaker 4: not say nothing eternity of the cheek and just quote

2317
02:05:23,560 --> 02:05:25,520
Speaker 4: unquote always say the right thing at the right time

2318
02:05:25,600 --> 02:05:28,080
Speaker 4: and always be, you know, act the right way at

2319
02:05:28,120 --> 02:05:30,720
Speaker 4: all time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yah yah y'ah. And

2320
02:05:30,720 --> 02:05:32,720
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, you wouldn't do this yourself.

2321
02:05:32,840 --> 02:05:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely not fair. And honestly, I don't understand.

2322
02:05:38,920 --> 02:05:40,960
Speaker 3: I would love to know what was happening before this.

2323
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:44,839
Speaker 3: You know, were they reporting that this racial harassment was happening,

2324
02:05:46,240 --> 02:05:49,160
Speaker 3: because it does seem to be the attitude and even

2325
02:05:49,200 --> 02:05:52,880
Speaker 3: involved in this was Uh, they're just words. Was that

2326
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:55,520
Speaker 3: something you heard for months and he just decided, fuck it,

2327
02:05:55,520 --> 02:06:00,160
Speaker 3: I'll do it myself because I know when I was bullied, uh,

2328
02:06:00,360 --> 02:06:02,480
Speaker 3: And I want to say the eighth grade, there was

2329
02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:06,280
Speaker 3: this kid that just wouldn't leave me alone, and I

2330
02:06:06,640 --> 02:06:09,280
Speaker 3: tried to do everything that you know, my dad taught me.

2331
02:06:09,360 --> 02:06:12,680
Speaker 3: You know, don't say ship, just let it go, don't

2332
02:06:12,840 --> 02:06:14,640
Speaker 3: you know, don't worry about it. It was a white

2333
02:06:14,720 --> 02:06:22,240
Speaker 3: kid and we ended up fighting after school one day,

2334
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:25,760
Speaker 3: and I remember it was like a bunch of white

2335
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:28,320
Speaker 3: dudes and then me and him were just out there

2336
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:31,640
Speaker 3: and they like kind of surrounded me, and it was

2337
02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:35,600
Speaker 3: like away right, And I knew for a fact, like, Okay,

2338
02:06:35,720 --> 02:06:38,800
Speaker 3: these white kids are probably more on his side than mine.

2339
02:06:38,840 --> 02:06:41,200
Speaker 3: There weren't enough black kids. So I was like, nah,

2340
02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:43,400
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not doing this, like I'm not fighting

2341
02:06:43,400 --> 02:06:46,720
Speaker 3: you out here. Yeah, because knowing you motherfuckers, yeah, I

2342
02:06:46,720 --> 02:06:48,960
Speaker 3: don't trust y'all. Uh, and y'all are way more his

2343
02:06:49,080 --> 02:06:51,800
Speaker 3: friends than mine and and ship. So I decided not

2344
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:55,320
Speaker 3: to fight that day. And I think that made them

2345
02:06:55,520 --> 02:06:57,880
Speaker 3: made him think, well, this motherfucker some type of coward

2346
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:01,200
Speaker 3: or some ship. But it was really just I could

2347
02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:03,920
Speaker 3: just hear my dad's voice every time it was about

2348
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:05,600
Speaker 3: to be a fight. My dad is just like, don't

2349
02:07:05,640 --> 02:07:07,560
Speaker 3: do this, don't do that, don't say this. You can't

2350
02:07:07,600 --> 02:07:09,320
Speaker 3: hit people unless they do this, that and the other

2351
02:07:09,400 --> 02:07:13,400
Speaker 3: than you. And so I remember one day in school,

2352
02:07:13,440 --> 02:07:15,800
Speaker 3: we had the same gym class and I went and

2353
02:07:15,880 --> 02:07:17,840
Speaker 3: he was talking shit to me the whole gym class.

2354
02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:20,960
Speaker 3: Same thing. I didn't say anything. I just you know,

2355
02:07:21,200 --> 02:07:23,040
Speaker 3: basically was like, not gonna let this dude get in

2356
02:07:23,120 --> 02:07:26,120
Speaker 3: my head, just gonna go to class. After this class,

2357
02:07:26,120 --> 02:07:27,280
Speaker 3: I go to a different class. I don't have to

2358
02:07:27,320 --> 02:07:31,720
Speaker 3: worry about this dude. And he said some shit to me,

2359
02:07:32,160 --> 02:07:35,880
Speaker 3: and I just turned my back walked into the locker room,

2360
02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:38,400
Speaker 3: and he followed me into the locker room all the

2361
02:07:38,480 --> 02:07:40,520
Speaker 3: way down towards my locker. And then the way that

2362
02:07:40,560 --> 02:07:43,000
Speaker 3: the locker room was set up that these benches in

2363
02:07:43,120 --> 02:07:45,240
Speaker 3: between the different sides of the locker, so there's like

2364
02:07:45,240 --> 02:07:47,080
Speaker 3: a locker on one side bench than a locker on

2365
02:07:47,120 --> 02:07:49,440
Speaker 3: the other side. And so he was on the other

2366
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:52,360
Speaker 3: side of the bench and he was just talking, you know,

2367
02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:53,120
Speaker 3: talking shit.

2368
02:07:53,320 --> 02:07:55,000
Speaker 4: He didn't have no other reason to be there other

2369
02:07:55,120 --> 02:07:56,920
Speaker 4: than right, and so.

2370
02:07:57,120 --> 02:08:01,000
Speaker 3: I finally like he got too close to me, and

2371
02:08:01,240 --> 02:08:04,080
Speaker 3: I just turned around. I grabbed him my shirt collar

2372
02:08:04,760 --> 02:08:07,600
Speaker 3: and I took used the bench as leverage and threw

2373
02:08:07,720 --> 02:08:10,120
Speaker 3: him over the bench, slammed him on the ground and

2374
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:13,440
Speaker 3: started beating the fuck out of him. And you know,

2375
02:08:13,600 --> 02:08:16,480
Speaker 3: after I punched him for a while, you know, because

2376
02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:18,280
Speaker 3: he was on the ground, it was in front of everybody.

2377
02:08:18,320 --> 02:08:20,680
Speaker 3: He was definitely embarrassed. People were pulling me off of

2378
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:22,800
Speaker 3: him and Ship, and so after they pulled me off

2379
02:08:22,840 --> 02:08:25,480
Speaker 3: of him, I walked right into the principal's office and

2380
02:08:25,680 --> 02:08:27,480
Speaker 3: was like, I want to report what.

2381
02:08:27,640 --> 02:08:32,320
Speaker 4: Happened because they tell the story the same, right, And

2382
02:08:32,600 --> 02:08:33,240
Speaker 4: I was, I want you.

2383
02:08:33,320 --> 02:08:34,960
Speaker 3: I called my parents and I want to and I

2384
02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:38,240
Speaker 3: want to talk to somebody about me being harassed. And

2385
02:08:38,720 --> 02:08:41,080
Speaker 3: you know when he saw me in the off because

2386
02:08:41,080 --> 02:08:42,840
Speaker 3: I guess he got up afterwards that he saw me

2387
02:08:42,920 --> 02:08:45,680
Speaker 3: in the office and he was in there like calling

2388
02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:48,440
Speaker 3: me all kinds of names and Ship. But the event,

2389
02:08:48,680 --> 02:08:51,920
Speaker 3: like after that they called our parents and got us

2390
02:08:52,040 --> 02:08:55,600
Speaker 3: got him involved, because but I had endured months of that,

2391
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:58,000
Speaker 3: Like this wasn't a short period time. Like he had

2392
02:08:58,040 --> 02:09:01,560
Speaker 3: thrown scissors at me in a class, yeah, dead serious.

2393
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:06,280
Speaker 3: He had you know, done little shit like trying to

2394
02:09:06,320 --> 02:09:08,320
Speaker 3: bump my arm on my shoulder when he walked past,

2395
02:09:08,400 --> 02:09:11,040
Speaker 3: rather than just walking past, like I said, try to

2396
02:09:11,080 --> 02:09:14,240
Speaker 3: fight me after school. It was just it was just

2397
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:16,320
Speaker 3: shit like that where I had where it was like

2398
02:09:17,440 --> 02:09:19,840
Speaker 3: I and part of me I just knew, like the

2399
02:09:19,880 --> 02:09:22,840
Speaker 3: teacher's not gonna take this serious, you know, like even

2400
02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:24,880
Speaker 3: when he threw the cisters at me, it was you

2401
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:26,680
Speaker 3: guys need to cut it out, like we were both

2402
02:09:26,720 --> 02:09:29,960
Speaker 3: involved in it. Like no, it's one way when you

2403
02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:31,840
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like if you would took my

2404
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:34,800
Speaker 3: eye out, it would have been okay, right, Like like Dan,

2405
02:09:34,880 --> 02:09:36,800
Speaker 3: y'all would have been like somebody should have said something

2406
02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:39,640
Speaker 3: like so just the whole way it was treated, And

2407
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:41,840
Speaker 3: I could definitely see something like that being the case.

2408
02:09:41,880 --> 02:09:42,000
Speaker 4: Now.

2409
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:43,640
Speaker 3: I don't know how the details of what happened here,

2410
02:09:43,960 --> 02:09:46,480
Speaker 3: but if he says he's been being being harassed for

2411
02:09:46,600 --> 02:09:49,960
Speaker 3: months and then you lash out, I mean if someone

2412
02:09:50,040 --> 02:09:53,600
Speaker 3: had a video of what happened in that locker room

2413
02:09:53,640 --> 02:09:56,360
Speaker 3: when I when I, you know, beat up Taylor, they

2414
02:09:56,400 --> 02:10:00,480
Speaker 3: would have been like, oh, this black kid beat up

2415
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:03,800
Speaker 3: this white boy. It just jumped him for no reason.

2416
02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:06,000
Speaker 3: It just he just grabbed them, slammed them on the ground,

2417
02:10:06,040 --> 02:10:09,440
Speaker 3: start hitting them. But if you had that's because there's

2418
02:10:09,480 --> 02:10:13,200
Speaker 3: no video of the months of you know, him saying

2419
02:10:13,360 --> 02:10:15,720
Speaker 3: fucked up shit towards me. There's no video of that.

2420
02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:20,040
Speaker 3: You know, there's no video of UH escalating because you know,

2421
02:10:20,320 --> 02:10:22,520
Speaker 3: I had the nerve to be like you say something

2422
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:25,040
Speaker 3: smart to me, and I say something smart back. You know,

2423
02:10:25,240 --> 02:10:27,200
Speaker 3: there's no video of you calling me a bitch. There's

2424
02:10:27,240 --> 02:10:29,680
Speaker 3: no video of him bumping my shoulder. So it just

2425
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:32,440
Speaker 3: made when I see that, I know how it's gonna

2426
02:10:32,440 --> 02:10:34,920
Speaker 3: be viewed as this big black kid yanked this kid's

2427
02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:38,640
Speaker 3: book bag twice. And and like you said, the teacher

2428
02:10:38,720 --> 02:10:41,080
Speaker 3: runs right up. And the first thing is he's just

2429
02:10:41,240 --> 02:10:48,480
Speaker 3: using words and shit like that, right, So it's like, uh, yeah,

2430
02:10:48,560 --> 02:10:51,680
Speaker 3: someone called me a black piece of shit. Maybe I'm

2431
02:10:51,720 --> 02:10:54,320
Speaker 3: not gonna have the words back for him. Maybe maybe

2432
02:10:54,360 --> 02:10:57,120
Speaker 3: he can. He's using words, and I'm gonna use my

2433
02:10:57,200 --> 02:11:00,880
Speaker 3: hands now what you know anyway, because it reminds me

2434
02:11:00,920 --> 02:11:05,160
Speaker 3: of that time the one hundred for me. But yeah,

2435
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:09,040
Speaker 3: I have no idea what happened, and I have no

2436
02:11:09,120 --> 02:11:13,080
Speaker 3: idea what was attempted to intervene in this situation, which,

2437
02:11:13,240 --> 02:11:15,720
Speaker 3: to be honest, it's still not too late. Nobody was hurt,

2438
02:11:15,760 --> 02:11:19,520
Speaker 3: thank goodness, in that club. And so and then the

2439
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:23,720
Speaker 3: students showing up saying that they support Michael makes me

2440
02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:26,520
Speaker 3: feel like they saw the harassment and they know nothing

2441
02:11:26,640 --> 02:11:29,080
Speaker 3: was done and they know that he was justified and

2442
02:11:29,200 --> 02:11:33,920
Speaker 3: lashing out. That's just how I feel watching the story

2443
02:11:34,120 --> 02:11:36,760
Speaker 3: and how the students support him, because I feel like

2444
02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:39,760
Speaker 3: if he was just some big ass bully black kid

2445
02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:43,520
Speaker 3: that goes around yank beating up people and ship. Yeah,

2446
02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:45,040
Speaker 3: I think the students would have been like, thank god

2447
02:11:45,120 --> 02:11:49,280
Speaker 3: he's out of school. All right? Uh did you say

2448
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:53,480
Speaker 3: zero to one hundred? All right? Uh go back to

2449
02:11:53,560 --> 02:11:57,160
Speaker 3: the fields of Alabama, North Carolina Middle School? Chance KKK

2450
02:11:57,400 --> 02:12:03,600
Speaker 3: and viral video. Yeah that's uh. I'm sure there's some

2451
02:12:06,160 --> 02:12:10,800
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's some possible good reason for this. Right. Wait,

2452
02:12:11,800 --> 02:12:14,680
Speaker 3: my computer don't support flash no more. Since winning Nigga.

2453
02:12:16,160 --> 02:12:17,520
Speaker 3: It's been flashing all day.

2454
02:12:18,520 --> 02:12:19,960
Speaker 4: It's been flashing all day.

2455
02:12:20,360 --> 02:12:23,880
Speaker 3: Oh all right, I can't play this video. I have to, man,

2456
02:12:23,960 --> 02:12:25,800
Speaker 3: I can find it on YouTube. I'm sorry, guys, give

2457
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:29,360
Speaker 3: me a second. I did not realize this video wouldn't

2458
02:12:29,360 --> 02:12:30,920
Speaker 3: play suddenly.

2459
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:35,680
Speaker 4: Rid of flash just make some it wouldn't crash.

2460
02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a weird Lesville Maybe if I put

2461
02:12:41,400 --> 02:12:49,280
Speaker 3: Leedsville Middle School, Uh, racism, what do you think the

2462
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:54,640
Speaker 3: video come up? I know that's enough information. Oh racist video,

2463
02:12:54,720 --> 02:12:59,240
Speaker 3: said shockwaves. Okay, all right, well yeah YouTube.

2464
02:12:58,920 --> 02:13:01,200
Speaker 4: Got everything put stream to write a phrase, the world together.

2465
02:13:01,240 --> 02:13:01,840
Speaker 4: You get the video.

2466
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:09,200
Speaker 3: Mhmm, yeah, racist video saying shockway through Leedsville Road Middle School.

2467
02:13:10,200 --> 02:13:11,240
Speaker 4: Is it something for us to see?

2468
02:13:11,720 --> 02:13:13,760
Speaker 3: I'm trying to see if it'll play first, if I'm

2469
02:13:13,760 --> 02:13:17,040
Speaker 3: gonna get that flash uh oh Era era again, because

2470
02:13:17,040 --> 02:13:19,160
Speaker 3: if so, then I can't really show funny.

2471
02:13:19,160 --> 02:13:21,000
Speaker 4: It looks like a sad lego block every time. I

2472
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:23,360
Speaker 4: still like, what is the statass lego block on my screen?

2473
02:13:23,720 --> 02:13:26,879
Speaker 3: Mine just said your ship don't work without flash homeboy,

2474
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:28,400
Speaker 3: I don't know what you thought was gonna.

2475
02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:30,640
Speaker 4: Happen, and then that you probably ain't a lego block,

2476
02:13:30,680 --> 02:13:32,600
Speaker 4: probably kind of plug in, but it's like a sadass

2477
02:13:32,680 --> 02:13:33,240
Speaker 4: lego block.

2478
02:13:33,800 --> 02:13:38,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see. Then come away to the video. Uh,

2479
02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:43,000
Speaker 3: the villa on the phone message the principal here and no, okay,

2480
02:13:43,080 --> 02:13:44,360
Speaker 3: what is this video exactly?

2481
02:13:44,440 --> 02:13:44,600
Speaker 5: Though?

2482
02:13:44,920 --> 02:13:49,200
Speaker 3: Why isn't it playing? Okay, I think it's gonna play now.

2483
02:13:52,600 --> 02:13:54,040
Speaker 3: I mean after a few.

2484
02:13:53,920 --> 02:13:59,440
Speaker 4: Days, ah, feel like it's trying to play.

2485
02:14:01,160 --> 02:14:03,360
Speaker 3: That y'all guess as good as mine.

2486
02:14:04,960 --> 02:14:07,240
Speaker 4: The look of hardwood, but not the worry of water.

2487
02:14:09,840 --> 02:14:13,360
Speaker 3: I do want to know about hardwood waterproofing on my floor,

2488
02:14:13,520 --> 02:14:16,160
Speaker 3: so I mean that's at least we got the going guys.

2489
02:14:17,600 --> 02:14:20,840
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, total waterproof protection. Guys. Good day you make

2490
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:24,520
Speaker 3: sure you gotta get Bele dot com, slash TVGWT, hook

2491
02:14:24,600 --> 02:14:28,720
Speaker 3: yourself up, make sure that you uh get your face

2492
02:14:28,760 --> 02:14:33,600
Speaker 3: looking tight and other areas okay productions. Mm hmm, that's

2493
02:14:33,640 --> 02:14:36,000
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Luke Craig, all right, let me see

2494
02:14:36,040 --> 02:14:37,000
Speaker 3: I can turn the vibe up now.

2495
02:14:39,280 --> 02:14:41,879
Speaker 4: Well, after students post a racist rant.

2496
02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:44,760
Speaker 9: Online, a parent told school administrators about that video. Those

2497
02:14:44,800 --> 02:14:48,600
Speaker 9: administrators are now taking action. Is live at the school

2498
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:52,560
Speaker 9: with the video to show and reaction from school officials

2499
02:14:52,600 --> 02:14:53,240
Speaker 9: and parents' night.

2500
02:14:55,440 --> 02:14:58,280
Speaker 10: Well Steven Tshaw although a best.

2501
02:14:58,880 --> 02:15:04,800
Speaker 3: You know that's a black Well Steven teacher. I love

2502
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:09,040
Speaker 3: black news anchor ladies have real because because like for

2503
02:15:09,160 --> 02:15:12,760
Speaker 3: some reason, the default voice in uh in news that

2504
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:15,120
Speaker 3: you have to talk like a white person. I'm also

2505
02:15:15,720 --> 02:15:18,680
Speaker 3: then coming up later so and so, so and so

2506
02:15:19,120 --> 02:15:24,560
Speaker 3: I'm your host. Jeneica bahalls like Janeica. Yes, get it, Jenanica.

2507
02:15:28,400 --> 02:15:32,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, they ain't out in the field, ain't right. The

2508
02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:36,160
Speaker 4: back landing name Chaquandra Rick is posted up there your

2509
02:15:36,240 --> 02:15:36,840
Speaker 4: wanting news.

2510
02:15:37,240 --> 02:15:38,760
Speaker 3: That's my favor.

2511
02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:39,120
Speaker 4: Yes.

2512
02:15:39,480 --> 02:15:41,160
Speaker 3: I don't know if other black people get off on that,

2513
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:45,400
Speaker 3: but I do. It's like Steve Jones and Shanina could

2514
02:15:45,480 --> 02:15:49,240
Speaker 3: Jones will also be talking. I'm like, yes, saninaquot six

2515
02:15:49,640 --> 02:15:52,560
Speaker 3: mr mm hmmm. Because sometimes when you listen to news,

2516
02:15:52,600 --> 02:15:54,160
Speaker 3: you can't tell that person black or not because of

2517
02:15:54,200 --> 02:15:57,320
Speaker 3: how they talk. So you just hear the audio and

2518
02:15:57,840 --> 02:16:00,200
Speaker 3: until they, you know, until they drop that, Like I'm

2519
02:16:00,280 --> 02:16:04,480
Speaker 3: alase A Jenkins, You're like, oh, I hear you, old girl,

2520
02:16:04,640 --> 02:16:07,760
Speaker 3: I hear your girlfriend, get yours. I don't know white people.

2521
02:16:07,760 --> 02:16:10,480
Speaker 3: White people don't have that. Dya. Maybe with the weather man,

2522
02:16:11,280 --> 02:16:12,440
Speaker 3: I'm storm Sprinkly.

2523
02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:17,600
Speaker 4: Oh shit, that ain't real names, I know, but I'm

2524
02:16:17,960 --> 02:16:20,440
Speaker 4: dunder Storms no Flate. That ain't no godjamn name. How

2525
02:16:20,480 --> 02:16:22,400
Speaker 4: the fuck you get the name everything.

2526
02:16:22,160 --> 02:16:25,040
Speaker 3: Out the weather I'll be back Larry Showers coming up

2527
02:16:25,080 --> 02:16:27,200
Speaker 3: after the break, right, But back to you.

2528
02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:32,000
Speaker 4: Uh, back to you, Sequanda, I'm wind Autumn. No, sir,

2529
02:16:32,160 --> 02:16:33,200
Speaker 4: that is not your name.

2530
02:16:33,320 --> 02:16:41,720
Speaker 3: No now, back to Leviticus. Uh all right, well, Steven Tshaw.

2531
02:16:41,840 --> 02:16:45,600
Speaker 10: Although a message went out to Lesville Middle parents about

2532
02:16:45,640 --> 02:16:47,840
Speaker 10: the video, many of them have not actually seen it.

2533
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:51,480
Speaker 10: In it, three Lesville Middle students go on a rant

2534
02:16:51,600 --> 02:16:54,959
Speaker 10: about several minority groups, and in the process used derogatory

2535
02:16:55,080 --> 02:16:56,800
Speaker 10: terms for blacks and Latinos.

2536
02:16:57,520 --> 02:17:01,880
Speaker 4: They're in America. We don't accept juice. Go back to

2537
02:17:02,000 --> 02:17:05,800
Speaker 4: the fields of Alabama, Go back to the factories in Mississippi.

2538
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:11,200
Speaker 4: You don't deserve freedom, preach aka cat.

2539
02:17:11,520 --> 02:17:12,360
Speaker 10: Today we caught up.

2540
02:17:12,320 --> 02:17:15,640
Speaker 4: With I was not ready. I wasn't ready.

2541
02:17:15,760 --> 02:17:20,240
Speaker 3: You weren't ready for the unfiltered bigotry. Go back to

2542
02:17:20,400 --> 02:17:22,200
Speaker 3: our fields of Alabama. But you know it can. The

2543
02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:23,320
Speaker 3: new generation gives.

2544
02:17:23,160 --> 02:17:30,080
Speaker 4: Me hope, preach, I mean ready for the hatred church.

2545
02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:30,879
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

2546
02:17:31,040 --> 02:17:33,520
Speaker 3: Well, luckily, the new generation gives us our hope. Right,

2547
02:17:33,760 --> 02:17:35,879
Speaker 3: it's the young kids that are gonna change this country,

2548
02:17:36,640 --> 02:17:40,840
Speaker 3: the middle schoolers who who look forward to a day

2549
02:17:40,879 --> 02:17:44,360
Speaker 3: where we can all work. Thirteen year old, back to

2550
02:17:44,400 --> 02:17:46,880
Speaker 3: the fields of Alabama. You don't know anybody from the

2551
02:17:46,879 --> 02:17:48,880
Speaker 3: field of Alabama, you thirteen year old piece of shit.

2552
02:17:49,640 --> 02:17:51,000
Speaker 3: What do you know about the field? They don't even

2553
02:17:51,040 --> 02:17:53,640
Speaker 3: teach that in your school. Where'd you learn that? That's

2554
02:17:53,680 --> 02:17:55,480
Speaker 3: only one chapter. They don't even say which fields it

2555
02:17:55,640 --> 02:17:56,360
Speaker 3: was in your chapter.

2556
02:17:56,879 --> 02:17:59,960
Speaker 4: All the truth you talked to come from your local neighborhood.

2557
02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:05,000
Speaker 3: Right, The involuntary immigration chapter of your UH is like

2558
02:18:05,120 --> 02:18:07,720
Speaker 3: one paragraph along in your textbooks. So how do you

2559
02:18:07,800 --> 02:18:10,440
Speaker 3: know about Phil's Alabama come on, Ski and.

2560
02:18:10,520 --> 02:18:13,440
Speaker 10: Her husband, whose son is a expirit Little middle they

2561
02:18:13,480 --> 02:18:14,640
Speaker 10: had not seen the video.

2562
02:18:16,440 --> 02:18:20,440
Speaker 2: How ridiculous is this? Yeah, and that's confirmed that it's

2563
02:18:20,480 --> 02:18:21,760
Speaker 2: kids from Leesville Middle School.

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02:18:21,959 --> 02:18:25,080
Speaker 10: The Grotzowskis somehow hadn't received the recordings sent out by

2565
02:18:25,200 --> 02:18:27,199
Speaker 10: Lesville Middle School's principal yesterday.

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02:18:27,600 --> 02:18:30,520
Speaker 11: At Leastville Middle the expectation is that we have here

2567
02:18:31,000 --> 02:18:36,000
Speaker 11: the high standards for all students. If video violates ghost

2568
02:18:36,080 --> 02:18:39,599
Speaker 11: standards and its message will not be condoned.

2569
02:18:39,160 --> 02:18:39,800
Speaker 3: In our school.

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02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:41,840
Speaker 10: The two minute long message on to say that the

2571
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:44,720
Speaker 10: students whose faces were visible in the original post have

2572
02:18:44,840 --> 02:18:48,600
Speaker 10: been identified and appropriately disciplined. The principal also says all

2573
02:18:48,640 --> 02:18:51,120
Speaker 10: students will be given a better understanding of the community

2574
02:18:51,160 --> 02:18:54,040
Speaker 10: where we live and learn more about their responsibilities on

2575
02:18:54,120 --> 02:18:57,840
Speaker 10: social media. But Leuann Grozowski says the responsibility isn't just

2576
02:18:57,959 --> 02:18:58,680
Speaker 10: on the schools.

2577
02:18:58,760 --> 02:19:01,600
Speaker 2: I think it's everyone's responsibility in the community to follow

2578
02:19:01,680 --> 02:19:03,840
Speaker 2: up on stuff like that and to make sure, you know,

2579
02:19:03,879 --> 02:19:05,800
Speaker 2: we're really talking to our kids and making sure that

2580
02:19:05,959 --> 02:19:08,640
Speaker 2: they are becoming the human beings that we all know

2581
02:19:08,800 --> 02:19:10,640
Speaker 2: and want them to be.

2582
02:19:10,800 --> 02:19:13,560
Speaker 10: Gratchowski says she can't imagine seeing her son in this

2583
02:19:13,760 --> 02:19:14,959
Speaker 10: kind of video, very.

2584
02:19:14,959 --> 02:19:17,840
Speaker 2: Shocked and very disheartened, and it would require a very

2585
02:19:18,560 --> 02:19:23,440
Speaker 2: you know, an intervention of great proportions.

2586
02:19:23,600 --> 02:19:25,600
Speaker 10: The video, she hopes, is a wake up call to

2587
02:19:25,680 --> 02:19:27,160
Speaker 10: the parents of the three students.

2588
02:19:27,600 --> 02:19:30,840
Speaker 2: It reflects a certain type of mindset and character that

2589
02:19:31,360 --> 02:19:33,080
Speaker 2: you know, need some attention.

2590
02:19:32,879 --> 02:19:37,640
Speaker 4: Paid to it, for sure, for sure.

2591
02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:40,160
Speaker 10: And we should note that it does not appear that

2592
02:19:40,280 --> 02:19:42,920
Speaker 10: that video was shot here at the school. Steven Tisha

2593
02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:45,840
Speaker 10: In addition to saying that the school officials saying that

2594
02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:49,240
Speaker 10: they will talk to students about sensitivity issues, they're also

2595
02:19:49,400 --> 02:19:51,960
Speaker 10: offering counseling to any students who may have been upset

2596
02:19:52,040 --> 02:19:52,720
Speaker 10: by that video.

2597
02:19:53,080 --> 02:19:56,240
Speaker 9: They're taking action and it's turning into a classroom lesson

2598
02:19:56,440 --> 02:19:58,200
Speaker 9: now for all of those children.

2599
02:19:58,520 --> 02:20:04,840
Speaker 3: And thank you, yeah, classroom lesson. Mm hmm, teachable moment.

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02:20:05,000 --> 02:20:05,600
Speaker 5: Ye.

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02:20:08,600 --> 02:20:11,440
Speaker 3: Back to the fields of Alabama, guys. Uh, yes, you

2602
02:20:11,520 --> 02:20:14,680
Speaker 3: go to one hundred can Yeah, that's pretty much a hundred.

2603
02:20:15,720 --> 02:20:17,520
Speaker 3: All right, let's see if we can get into some

2604
02:20:17,680 --> 02:20:20,959
Speaker 3: lighter fair guys. Okay, this has been a it's been

2605
02:20:21,160 --> 02:20:26,200
Speaker 3: quite a lot, and I definitely understand why would uh

2606
02:20:27,000 --> 02:20:30,480
Speaker 3: why I would bother everybody? Uh So, maybe we can

2607
02:20:30,640 --> 02:20:35,400
Speaker 3: uh get into some uh some white people news. Let

2608
02:20:35,440 --> 02:20:39,600
Speaker 3: me see what are white people listening to these days?

2609
02:20:39,800 --> 02:20:47,680
Speaker 3: How about? Uh, how about this one? I don't think

2610
02:20:47,720 --> 02:20:48,560
Speaker 3: I played this one.

2611
02:21:08,879 --> 02:21:11,879
Speaker 4: Trading around the song an empty house.

2612
02:21:12,200 --> 02:21:14,800
Speaker 7: So hold my hand now walk you might.

2613
02:21:14,680 --> 02:21:17,960
Speaker 2: Dear starts creak.

2614
02:21:18,320 --> 02:21:22,800
Speaker 7: I just kept me away. It's the house telling you

2615
02:21:23,160 --> 02:21:24,560
Speaker 7: d coach shry.

2616
02:21:26,360 --> 02:21:27,040
Speaker 4: Sunthin.

2617
02:21:27,560 --> 02:21:33,240
Speaker 7: I can't draps myself excusing me to see and sway

2618
02:21:34,680 --> 02:21:39,760
Speaker 7: because so the true very married she will carry out.

2619
02:21:41,240 --> 02:21:42,680
Speaker 4: Shake to shop.

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02:22:04,400 --> 02:22:04,840
Speaker 3: All right.

2621
02:22:06,320 --> 02:22:06,480
Speaker 4: Here?

2622
02:22:06,879 --> 02:22:10,360
Speaker 3: White people music for white people news, Karen, it's little

2623
02:22:10,440 --> 02:22:13,080
Speaker 3: talks by bunsters and men, Okay.

2624
02:22:12,879 --> 02:22:14,640
Speaker 4: Because I've never heard it before, so I was like,

2625
02:22:14,760 --> 02:22:16,880
Speaker 4: maybe it's a music soundtrack. I don't know.

2626
02:22:17,240 --> 02:22:20,400
Speaker 3: White people love It first got started with that yall band,

2627
02:22:20,800 --> 02:22:22,840
Speaker 3: that person that white people put in the White House.

2628
02:22:23,720 --> 02:22:23,840
Speaker 2: Uh.

2629
02:22:26,320 --> 02:22:26,520
Speaker 7: Five.

2630
02:22:27,120 --> 02:22:30,879
Speaker 3: DeVos lobbyist resigns a mid controversy over comments about shaking

2631
02:22:30,959 --> 02:22:35,280
Speaker 3: his wife. Yeah, apparently as a lobbyist that promoted the

2632
02:22:35,400 --> 02:22:38,720
Speaker 3: educational agenda of the now US Education Secretary Betsy Devoce

2633
02:22:39,000 --> 02:22:41,280
Speaker 3: in Michigan, and he had to resign from his position

2634
02:22:41,959 --> 02:22:47,440
Speaker 3: because apparently he has taken heat in recent days of

2635
02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:49,800
Speaker 3: a comment he made while testifying last week before a

2636
02:22:49,879 --> 02:22:54,800
Speaker 3: legislative commission. Mm hmm yep, especially this frustration with the

2637
02:22:54,840 --> 02:22:58,000
Speaker 3: state school reform officer he is charged with closing down

2638
02:22:58,040 --> 02:23:01,680
Speaker 3: failing schools, who is charged with uh closing down fall

2639
02:23:01,720 --> 02:23:04,040
Speaker 3: in schools. He said I wanted to shake her like

2640
02:23:04,160 --> 02:23:11,240
Speaker 3: I like to shake my wife, and nobody checked on

2641
02:23:11,320 --> 02:23:15,680
Speaker 3: his wife. He later apologized what I said last Tuesday

2642
02:23:15,840 --> 02:23:19,080
Speaker 3: was a poorly worded ada lib and bad analogy during

2643
02:23:19,160 --> 02:23:21,680
Speaker 3: the Q and a portion of a leg sled testimony.

2644
02:23:23,360 --> 02:23:26,440
Speaker 3: This is something that professional communicator should avoid, and I

2645
02:23:26,680 --> 02:23:29,720
Speaker 3: really let myself and g L E Pete down with

2646
02:23:29,879 --> 02:23:36,880
Speaker 3: my verbal gas. I have seen he uh yeah, So

2647
02:23:37,040 --> 02:23:38,640
Speaker 3: he resigned by email.

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02:23:39,160 --> 02:23:41,800
Speaker 4: I'm proud he resigned because not like fuck it, m

2649
02:23:44,200 --> 02:23:44,760
Speaker 4: kick me out.

2650
02:23:45,000 --> 02:23:47,360
Speaker 3: He's gonna take some time to reorganize to best continue

2651
02:23:47,400 --> 02:23:52,600
Speaker 3: the advocacy of quality school choice options and all Michigan. Mmkay, yes,

2652
02:23:54,120 --> 02:23:57,199
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Nope, that's fine. I didn't want to finish

2653
02:23:57,240 --> 02:23:58,560
Speaker 3: that story anyway. To be honest with you.

2654
02:23:58,840 --> 02:24:01,960
Speaker 4: Fuck that dude not saying he did it didn't, But

2655
02:24:02,160 --> 02:24:05,360
Speaker 4: I mean, if you you y'alls, are you feel like

2656
02:24:05,440 --> 02:24:06,600
Speaker 4: putting your hands on your wife?

2657
02:24:06,840 --> 02:24:10,879
Speaker 3: Gotta be both sides. Can gotta be two sides. He's

2658
02:24:10,959 --> 02:24:13,760
Speaker 3: my fame, Careen, I can't have you really thought about

2659
02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:15,080
Speaker 3: it from his standpoint.

2660
02:24:14,800 --> 02:24:16,480
Speaker 4: Don't care about from his standpoint.

2661
02:24:16,760 --> 02:24:20,520
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I ain't no two ties. Uh, you're

2662
02:24:20,600 --> 02:24:23,200
Speaker 3: not helping yourself or your husband's memory by standing there

2663
02:24:23,280 --> 02:24:26,520
Speaker 3: clapping like an idiot, asked Clinton and Obama volunteer is

2664
02:24:26,600 --> 02:24:29,880
Speaker 3: fired for a tweet about the seal widow at Trump' speech.

2665
02:24:30,840 --> 02:24:35,199
Speaker 3: So remember, Trump gave an address to to I forget

2666
02:24:35,240 --> 02:24:37,959
Speaker 3: what it was about, some live TV shit. He did well.

2667
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:39,920
Speaker 3: He gave a speech and people was like, oh my god,

2668
02:24:40,000 --> 02:24:41,800
Speaker 3: I have to suck his dick. He didn't call anyone

2669
02:24:41,879 --> 02:24:42,840
Speaker 3: a nigger for two hours.

2670
02:24:43,600 --> 02:24:48,480
Speaker 4: That s the first time he addressed the country.

2671
02:24:48,560 --> 02:24:53,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, joint conger, joint session or something.

2672
02:24:53,640 --> 02:24:56,920
Speaker 3: All right, anyway, so, uh, one of the things that

2673
02:24:57,120 --> 02:25:01,600
Speaker 3: he did was he had the here was a seal

2674
02:25:01,840 --> 02:25:04,720
Speaker 3: that was killed, a Navy seal that was killed because

2675
02:25:04,879 --> 02:25:08,840
Speaker 3: he authorized operation to kill some terrors, the same operation

2676
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:12,760
Speaker 3: that you know, President Obama did not authorize, and one

2677
02:25:12,800 --> 02:25:15,760
Speaker 3: of the seals got killed, and you know, like it's

2678
02:25:15,760 --> 02:25:17,640
Speaker 3: a big It was a lot of uproar at the time.

2679
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:20,160
Speaker 3: Because like it was the I think part of the

2680
02:25:20,200 --> 02:25:23,600
Speaker 3: reason he even Greenland it was because Obama wouldn't and

2681
02:25:23,680 --> 02:25:26,040
Speaker 3: he wants to, you know, he basically everything he does

2682
02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:27,720
Speaker 3: is a dick measuring contest with Obama.

2683
02:25:28,240 --> 02:25:28,360
Speaker 5: Uh.

2684
02:25:28,480 --> 02:25:32,040
Speaker 3: And then secondly, it was like he was eating a

2685
02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:34,120
Speaker 3: meal of steak and just said go do it or

2686
02:25:34,160 --> 02:25:36,200
Speaker 3: some shit. So it's like really flipping and casual.

2687
02:25:36,720 --> 02:25:36,880
Speaker 4: You know.

2688
02:25:37,120 --> 02:25:39,320
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, I remember when Osama bin Line was killed and

2689
02:25:39,400 --> 02:25:43,360
Speaker 3: they like had Obama and Hillary Clinton and everybody like

2690
02:25:43,680 --> 02:25:47,240
Speaker 3: in a room like watching this raid, like watching like.

2691
02:25:47,320 --> 02:25:52,959
Speaker 4: They watched the whole transact transition, and He's like, give

2692
02:25:53,000 --> 02:25:56,160
Speaker 4: me this birch of steak with his ketchup, do it right.

2693
02:25:56,280 --> 02:26:01,760
Speaker 3: So they had basically a glorified They had a glorified

2694
02:26:02,240 --> 02:26:05,760
Speaker 3: photo op potentially with the widow of this man that

2695
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:10,880
Speaker 3: his operation had killed him, right, And so he had

2696
02:26:10,959 --> 02:26:15,160
Speaker 3: her there so that he could talk about how you know,

2697
02:26:15,240 --> 02:26:22,200
Speaker 3: how much because everything is right, yeah, I mean, and

2698
02:26:22,360 --> 02:26:25,720
Speaker 3: and he wanted to say something about like how great

2699
02:26:26,280 --> 02:26:28,760
Speaker 3: the sacrifice was that this man made for this country

2700
02:26:28,879 --> 02:26:31,600
Speaker 3: and died, and uh, they had the camera on the

2701
02:26:31,640 --> 02:26:37,920
Speaker 3: widow and the widow started crying, and it was you know,

2702
02:26:38,080 --> 02:26:40,200
Speaker 3: this moment that was supposed to be like look at

2703
02:26:40,240 --> 02:26:46,880
Speaker 3: Donald Trump being presidential. He also brought up how the

2704
02:26:47,080 --> 02:26:50,800
Speaker 3: applause break that they got was for her dead husband

2705
02:26:51,080 --> 02:26:54,920
Speaker 3: was was so long that he would really be impressed, because, uh,

2706
02:26:55,600 --> 02:26:59,199
Speaker 3: I think just Trump measures everything in entertainment.

2707
02:27:00,240 --> 02:27:03,560
Speaker 4: She'd rather have a family memb alive. Right.

2708
02:27:04,200 --> 02:27:11,160
Speaker 3: Anyway, there was someone who tweeted Dan Grillo, who is apparently,

2709
02:27:11,320 --> 02:27:18,800
Speaker 3: uh well, former Hillary Clinton volunteer and Obama volunteer. Uh

2710
02:27:19,080 --> 02:27:22,640
Speaker 3: he got fired because he tweeted out something critical of

2711
02:27:22,720 --> 02:27:29,520
Speaker 3: the moment at the time. He said, uh, sorry, Owen's wife,

2712
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:32,920
Speaker 3: You're not helping yourself or your husband's memorried by standing

2713
02:27:32,959 --> 02:27:37,240
Speaker 3: there clapping like an idiot. Trump just used you. Uh.

2714
02:27:38,200 --> 02:27:40,080
Speaker 3: And then of course everybody went in on his ass,

2715
02:27:40,200 --> 02:27:42,000
Speaker 3: which I think they should have. I mean, that's pretty

2716
02:27:42,120 --> 02:27:46,879
Speaker 3: fucked up to say. And I mean that's the thing

2717
02:27:47,920 --> 02:27:49,560
Speaker 3: people do this all the time. It's that thing where's

2718
02:27:49,640 --> 02:27:55,240
Speaker 3: like Trump isn't showing compassion to this woman, but then

2719
02:27:55,520 --> 02:27:58,680
Speaker 3: you're calling her clapping like an idiot. She her husband

2720
02:27:58,800 --> 02:28:02,440
Speaker 3: just died. He's had some understanding of like, you know,

2721
02:28:02,640 --> 02:28:06,240
Speaker 3: like sure a lot of people probably wish she wouldn't

2722
02:28:06,280 --> 02:28:09,360
Speaker 3: have done what she did a lot of us but

2723
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:13,840
Speaker 3: did right. But you can literally find a better way

2724
02:28:13,920 --> 02:28:15,760
Speaker 3: to say that, and so you got your ass fired,

2725
02:28:15,840 --> 02:28:20,640
Speaker 3: man like. He later said it was a pully worded

2726
02:28:20,680 --> 02:28:23,800
Speaker 3: tweet and deleted it and apologized, but it was too late.

2727
02:28:25,920 --> 02:28:29,560
Speaker 3: So he ended up losing his job at the uh

2728
02:28:30,320 --> 02:28:37,520
Speaker 3: principal for Chicago based Liberty Advisor Group. Uh uh okay, yeah,

2729
02:28:37,640 --> 02:28:39,920
Speaker 3: so he was. He was a principal for the Chicago

2730
02:28:40,000 --> 02:28:42,920
Speaker 3: based Liberty Advisor Group and he is no longer there.

2731
02:28:44,400 --> 02:28:50,000
Speaker 3: So why should you say, doll? That's I mean, everything

2732
02:28:50,120 --> 02:28:52,800
Speaker 3: can't be politics, for the for the kids, for the games,

2733
02:28:52,840 --> 02:28:59,960
Speaker 3: and Ship Van Jones defense presidential Trump praise not saying

2734
02:29:00,200 --> 02:29:06,360
Speaker 3: he's George Washington. He said so Van Jones apparently after

2735
02:29:06,480 --> 02:29:11,280
Speaker 3: this joint session, Ship said that some words like Donald

2736
02:29:11,320 --> 02:29:15,720
Speaker 3: Trump just became president of everybody and shit because especially

2737
02:29:15,800 --> 02:29:23,360
Speaker 3: that moment with the Navy Seals widow and uh, it

2738
02:29:23,480 --> 02:29:26,880
Speaker 3: was so it was so people were pissed, you know.

2739
02:29:26,959 --> 02:29:28,720
Speaker 3: And I don't blame him for being pissed. I mean

2740
02:29:29,760 --> 02:29:35,560
Speaker 3: he uh no, I don't. I don't see how. But

2741
02:29:35,840 --> 02:29:38,000
Speaker 3: but to be honest, I just don't really agree with

2742
02:29:38,080 --> 02:29:39,880
Speaker 3: a lot of his stances on ship to be honest

2743
02:29:39,920 --> 02:29:42,320
Speaker 3: a job like I and I and I understand there's

2744
02:29:42,360 --> 02:29:44,440
Speaker 3: a need for a Van Jones and the place that

2745
02:29:44,520 --> 02:29:47,240
Speaker 3: he's at, there's a need for people to be conciliatory

2746
02:29:47,440 --> 02:29:50,040
Speaker 3: or find some level of balance. And I think his

2747
02:29:50,240 --> 02:29:52,560
Speaker 3: job is a fucked up job because it's CNN and

2748
02:29:52,640 --> 02:29:54,840
Speaker 3: they bring on racist every segment to argue with Van

2749
02:29:54,959 --> 02:29:58,080
Speaker 3: Jones and find some sort of quote unquote middle ground

2750
02:29:58,080 --> 02:30:00,280
Speaker 3: when there is none, but he it is one of

2751
02:30:00,320 --> 02:30:02,360
Speaker 3: those people that seeks to find the middle and shit,

2752
02:30:02,600 --> 02:30:06,040
Speaker 3: and the middle is gonna end up with a lot

2753
02:30:06,120 --> 02:30:08,520
Speaker 3: of like these Trump people ain't bad people, they just

2754
02:30:08,600 --> 02:30:10,920
Speaker 3: made a bad decision. We can't write them out.

2755
02:30:11,120 --> 02:30:11,640
Speaker 4: We need them.

2756
02:30:11,680 --> 02:30:13,440
Speaker 3: There's gonna be a lot of that coming from him,

2757
02:30:13,720 --> 02:30:17,640
Speaker 3: and I don't agree with any of it. So and

2758
02:30:17,920 --> 02:30:19,960
Speaker 3: for the record, I don't think Van Jones is just

2759
02:30:20,160 --> 02:30:22,880
Speaker 3: like because what happened was he said this shit and

2760
02:30:22,959 --> 02:30:26,400
Speaker 3: it basically became like uncle Kohn, Uncle Tom's Kuhn sellout,

2761
02:30:27,959 --> 02:30:30,840
Speaker 3: you know, all this shit. I don't think that's him either,

2762
02:30:31,120 --> 02:30:35,039
Speaker 3: because he's poking out about race for years now, many

2763
02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:38,400
Speaker 3: segments been the only black voice that was on the

2764
02:30:39,040 --> 02:30:42,960
Speaker 3: TV going ham against like Jeffrey Lord and shit. But

2765
02:30:43,040 --> 02:30:46,600
Speaker 3: I just think the bigger constructive, like basically white media

2766
02:30:46,680 --> 02:30:52,400
Speaker 3: spaces is already normalized racism. So the fact that you

2767
02:30:52,440 --> 02:30:54,440
Speaker 3: would have a Jeffrey Lord on and treat him like

2768
02:30:54,440 --> 02:30:57,760
Speaker 3: an expert, with a Van Jones who is an expert,

2769
02:30:58,840 --> 02:31:01,480
Speaker 3: you've already seated the floor to the racist. In my opinion,

2770
02:31:02,040 --> 02:31:04,160
Speaker 3: there's certain people that should not have a platform, but

2771
02:31:04,200 --> 02:31:05,640
Speaker 3: seeing it, didn't give a fuck. They just want to

2772
02:31:05,640 --> 02:31:07,160
Speaker 3: get ratings. I mean, it's why they have Don Lemon

2773
02:31:07,280 --> 02:31:11,600
Speaker 3: on there. And right before this Van Jones, who were

2774
02:31:11,640 --> 02:31:16,560
Speaker 3: being kind of one of the hardest critics of Trump

2775
02:31:16,879 --> 02:31:20,080
Speaker 3: period out there. I remember when they won and uh,

2776
02:31:20,760 --> 02:31:22,879
Speaker 3: they were going like you need to admit that we won,

2777
02:31:23,280 --> 02:31:25,040
Speaker 3: you know, and he called it a white lash, and

2778
02:31:25,280 --> 02:31:28,240
Speaker 3: people were like spreading the tweet, spreading the video like

2779
02:31:28,320 --> 02:31:30,680
Speaker 3: look at this, that's what I'm talking about Van Jones

2780
02:31:30,840 --> 02:31:32,400
Speaker 3: that he said at the best and all this ship

2781
02:31:33,240 --> 02:31:35,600
Speaker 3: and now he'll coon too much later like he just

2782
02:31:35,959 --> 02:31:39,920
Speaker 3: coon ass coon coon and coon nigga coon. So I

2783
02:31:40,000 --> 02:31:42,560
Speaker 3: think that was it heard a lot of people's feelings

2784
02:31:42,600 --> 02:31:46,040
Speaker 3: to see him do that. But at the same time, man,

2785
02:31:46,200 --> 02:31:48,760
Speaker 3: he went out and defended his statement. So let me

2786
02:31:48,800 --> 02:31:54,000
Speaker 3: see pleas tonight, like, oh, I think this is the

2787
02:31:54,120 --> 02:31:59,400
Speaker 3: video of Trump honoring her. Okay, yeah, let me see.

2788
02:31:59,440 --> 02:31:59,920
Speaker 4: A war.

2789
02:32:03,560 --> 02:32:06,200
Speaker 3: And securing our nation. Give me one second. I'll put

2790
02:32:06,200 --> 02:32:09,800
Speaker 3: it on screen because it's basically Trump's words, and then

2791
02:32:09,840 --> 02:32:11,560
Speaker 3: it's gonna go to Van Jones and show you what

2792
02:32:11,680 --> 02:32:14,400
Speaker 3: he said. Let me know when it pops up.

2793
02:32:15,160 --> 02:32:15,800
Speaker 11: I know.

2794
02:32:15,920 --> 02:32:20,320
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's delight and we see it all right.

2795
02:32:37,120 --> 02:32:42,600
Speaker 6: He became president of the United States in that moment. Period,

2796
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:47,560
Speaker 6: there are a lot of people who have a lot

2797
02:32:47,640 --> 02:32:52,080
Speaker 6: of reason to be frustrated with him, to be fearful

2798
02:32:52,120 --> 02:32:54,960
Speaker 6: of him, to be mad at him. But that was

2799
02:32:55,080 --> 02:32:58,280
Speaker 6: one of the most extraordinary moments you have ever seen

2800
02:32:58,800 --> 02:33:03,640
Speaker 6: in American politics, period, and he did something extraordinary. And

2801
02:33:03,959 --> 02:33:09,120
Speaker 6: for people who have been hoping that he would become unified,

2802
02:33:10,360 --> 02:33:12,960
Speaker 6: hoping that he might find some way to become presidential,

2803
02:33:13,440 --> 02:33:16,520
Speaker 6: they should be happy with that moment. For people who

2804
02:33:16,600 --> 02:33:20,200
Speaker 6: have been hoping that maybe he would remain a divisive cartoon,

2805
02:33:20,920 --> 02:33:23,640
Speaker 6: which he often finds a way to do, they should

2806
02:33:23,680 --> 02:33:26,800
Speaker 6: begin to become a little bit worried tonight because that

2807
02:33:27,160 --> 02:33:28,680
Speaker 6: thing you just saw him do.

2808
02:33:29,760 --> 02:33:30,480
Speaker 3: If he finds a.

2809
02:33:30,520 --> 02:33:31,960
Speaker 10: Way to do that over and over again.

2810
02:33:32,480 --> 02:33:34,840
Speaker 6: He's going to be there for eight years now. There

2811
02:33:35,000 --> 02:33:37,280
Speaker 6: is a lot that he said in that speech that

2812
02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:41,040
Speaker 6: was counterfactual, that was not right, that I oppose and

2813
02:33:41,160 --> 02:33:44,360
Speaker 6: will oppose. But he did something tonight that you cannot

2814
02:33:44,400 --> 02:33:46,039
Speaker 6: take away from him. He became President.

2815
02:33:45,840 --> 02:33:52,320
Speaker 3: Nations, all right. So and also that there's a lot

2816
02:33:52,360 --> 02:33:56,200
Speaker 3: he was counterfactual, you mean lies, He lied a lot.

2817
02:33:56,640 --> 02:33:59,560
Speaker 3: You know, why are we soften in the language on that? Now,

2818
02:33:59,680 --> 02:34:03,840
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, there's some ship where apparently Trump's media

2819
02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:08,320
Speaker 3: people went out and contacted CNN's brass who uh I

2820
02:34:08,400 --> 02:34:11,879
Speaker 3: think they're owned by Turner Turner Media whatever, and they

2821
02:34:11,959 --> 02:34:14,760
Speaker 3: basically told singled out edit to borrow a Van Jones

2822
02:34:14,800 --> 02:34:17,800
Speaker 3: and said that they are not happy with the coverage

2823
02:34:17,800 --> 02:34:19,680
Speaker 3: they're getting from those two and they need to soften

2824
02:34:19,720 --> 02:34:21,840
Speaker 3: their tone towards the President Trump.

2825
02:34:22,120 --> 02:34:24,720
Speaker 4: Right, but they're not influencing the news. Everything about Trump

2826
02:34:24,760 --> 02:34:29,000
Speaker 4: ain't praise, praise, praise, praise, Right, and all of.

2827
02:34:29,000 --> 02:34:30,800
Speaker 3: A sudden, you get this Now. I'm not trying to

2828
02:34:30,800 --> 02:34:34,400
Speaker 3: say I'm a conspiracy theory theorist, but I don't think

2829
02:34:34,400 --> 02:34:35,240
Speaker 3: it's a coincidence.

2830
02:34:35,720 --> 02:34:39,360
Speaker 4: I am. I am fucked that nigga. I feel as

2831
02:34:39,480 --> 02:34:44,040
Speaker 4: though Trump loves praise. His thing is praise me.

2832
02:34:44,200 --> 02:34:45,680
Speaker 3: Wait when you say, fuck that, nigga.

2833
02:34:45,480 --> 02:34:49,360
Speaker 4: Who Trump? Trump is about praise? Praise, praise, praise, praise me.

2834
02:34:50,000 --> 02:34:54,200
Speaker 4: He has block media, he has stard media, he has

2835
02:34:54,680 --> 02:34:58,880
Speaker 4: denied media access. It's like, if you do any form

2836
02:34:58,920 --> 02:35:02,560
Speaker 4: of criticized, if you criticize him in any way and

2837
02:35:02,680 --> 02:35:05,800
Speaker 4: he can directly affect you, he can and he will

2838
02:35:05,920 --> 02:35:10,160
Speaker 4: because he's that fucking He's just a petty ass person

2839
02:35:10,360 --> 02:35:13,160
Speaker 4: that just happens to be in the President's office for

2840
02:35:13,320 --> 02:35:15,640
Speaker 4: him to even have a meeting with them. Their job

2841
02:35:15,800 --> 02:35:19,320
Speaker 4: is to report the news, whatever the quote unquote news

2842
02:35:19,440 --> 02:35:22,400
Speaker 4: is nowadays, not to make you feel good and not

2843
02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:24,880
Speaker 4: to struct your dick and make you feel better like

2844
02:35:25,240 --> 02:35:28,240
Speaker 4: him criticizing you. It's valid, like everything you do isn't

2845
02:35:28,280 --> 02:35:30,440
Speaker 4: fair and everything you do isn't right, and everybody that's

2846
02:35:30,440 --> 02:35:33,000
Speaker 4: gonna agree with you. But I can truly say I've

2847
02:35:33,160 --> 02:35:40,160
Speaker 4: slowly seen the media go from praising him to criticizing

2848
02:35:40,240 --> 02:35:43,120
Speaker 4: him when he was like fuck y'all niggas, to praising

2849
02:35:43,200 --> 02:35:46,320
Speaker 4: him again because the only way to get an access

2850
02:35:46,400 --> 02:35:49,240
Speaker 4: to him is to praise him. And when you go,

2851
02:35:49,520 --> 02:35:52,960
Speaker 4: it's the conspiracy. He's influencing the media. He wants the

2852
02:35:53,040 --> 02:35:55,680
Speaker 4: media to be nothing but positive about him and put

2853
02:35:55,720 --> 02:35:58,640
Speaker 4: out these positive spins and not polling out the truth

2854
02:35:58,920 --> 02:36:01,280
Speaker 4: to what he's doing. And you and people come to

2855
02:36:01,400 --> 02:36:05,040
Speaker 4: you to be informed about shit and you're not giving

2856
02:36:05,040 --> 02:36:07,480
Speaker 4: it the truth. That is a problem. And when it

2857
02:36:07,560 --> 02:36:10,200
Speaker 4: comes to Ben Jones, going back to what you said, yeah,

2858
02:36:10,240 --> 02:36:11,960
Speaker 4: he was pulled out and that niggas like I got

2859
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:15,360
Speaker 4: to pay my bills, you know, like everybody else goes.

2860
02:36:15,440 --> 02:36:17,760
Speaker 4: I got to pay my bills, every goddamn dad. You

2861
02:36:17,879 --> 02:36:20,360
Speaker 4: deal with racism and sexism and shit at your job too.

2862
02:36:20,760 --> 02:36:23,160
Speaker 4: You don't call it out every time it happens. You

2863
02:36:23,360 --> 02:36:25,920
Speaker 4: suck shit up, you bite the bullet, You go in

2864
02:36:26,040 --> 02:36:28,040
Speaker 4: there and you deal with the shit. And this was

2865
02:36:28,160 --> 02:36:32,800
Speaker 4: his way of dealing with it. I have a problem

2866
02:36:32,879 --> 02:36:35,000
Speaker 4: what he said, but no, he is not a coon.

2867
02:36:35,120 --> 02:36:40,880
Speaker 4: In my opinion, I think that it was just to

2868
02:36:41,280 --> 02:36:45,360
Speaker 4: stroke the ego of his bosses and they keep his

2869
02:36:45,520 --> 02:36:49,160
Speaker 4: job because if this had to happen, he still had

2870
02:36:49,200 --> 02:36:51,320
Speaker 4: his In my opinion, he would have still had his

2871
02:36:51,560 --> 02:37:00,200
Speaker 4: hard stance. I think that it's very problematic to say yeah,

2872
02:37:00,200 --> 02:37:01,840
Speaker 4: because he didn't go up there and fucking shit his

2873
02:37:01,920 --> 02:37:04,400
Speaker 4: pants on national television. It's the best fucking shit ever.

2874
02:37:04,520 --> 02:37:09,880
Speaker 4: That's not so uh you praising this nigga for he

2875
02:37:10,120 --> 02:37:15,280
Speaker 4: called the death of her husband and him putting her

2876
02:37:15,360 --> 02:37:20,080
Speaker 4: up there and going basically, aren't I the greatest? That's

2877
02:37:20,120 --> 02:37:23,240
Speaker 4: technically what he's saying, aren't your husband is the greatest

2878
02:37:23,360 --> 02:37:25,400
Speaker 4: for something that I shouldn't have been in first place.

2879
02:37:25,920 --> 02:37:28,880
Speaker 4: You know, that's not the best thing ever. You know,

2880
02:37:29,280 --> 02:37:32,680
Speaker 4: it's not visident. Obama have done some things that I

2881
02:37:32,760 --> 02:37:35,000
Speaker 4: thought it was the best thing ever, and a lot

2882
02:37:35,080 --> 02:37:37,160
Speaker 4: of times a lot of these news media would criticize

2883
02:37:37,200 --> 02:37:39,920
Speaker 4: the shit, even shit he did to help people, you know.

2884
02:37:40,240 --> 02:37:42,240
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, no, no, I disagree with what a

2885
02:37:42,320 --> 02:37:44,920
Speaker 4: lot of what he says, but koon no in my

2886
02:37:45,160 --> 02:37:47,200
Speaker 4: personal opinion, no, yeah.

2887
02:37:47,959 --> 02:37:50,120
Speaker 3: And then he went on to defend his comments too

2888
02:37:51,920 --> 02:37:56,440
Speaker 3: in a different segment where Angela Ray was there, like,

2889
02:37:56,600 --> 02:37:59,440
Speaker 3: this is fifteen minutes long. I don't really need the

2890
02:37:59,560 --> 02:38:04,640
Speaker 3: minute more. Aren't on that ship? So uh yeah, another

2891
02:38:04,959 --> 02:38:06,840
Speaker 3: let's see he went on the man lied to that

2892
02:38:06,920 --> 02:38:08,880
Speaker 3: woman's face on national TV. He closed by telling her

2893
02:38:08,920 --> 02:38:11,000
Speaker 3: that her following husband was probably smiling down from heaven

2894
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:13,240
Speaker 3: because the standing ovation he just got from a bunch

2895
02:38:13,240 --> 02:38:16,400
Speaker 3: of Larry Clapp happy clap happy vacant suits who can't

2896
02:38:16,400 --> 02:38:19,040
Speaker 3: wait to take health care away from poor people. GQS J.

2897
02:38:19,160 --> 02:38:21,800
Speaker 3: Willis wrote in response, it's certainly extraordinary, but not in

2898
02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:25,400
Speaker 3: a good way, and it's definitely not presidential. Then there's

2899
02:38:25,440 --> 02:38:26,760
Speaker 3: a segment with him and Angela.

2900
02:38:27,000 --> 02:38:28,520
Speaker 12: Let me see if I guess one of the president's

2901
02:38:28,520 --> 02:38:32,640
Speaker 12: harshest critics is praising his speech. CNN political commentator Van

2902
02:38:32,760 --> 02:38:35,160
Speaker 12: Jones is applauding what he calls the moment.

2903
02:38:35,560 --> 02:38:44,560
Speaker 3: Get to just broke a record. Ryan laid down his

2904
02:38:44,720 --> 02:38:48,480
Speaker 3: life for his friends, for his country, and for our freedom,

2905
02:38:49,040 --> 02:38:51,480
Speaker 3: and we will never forget Ryan.

2906
02:38:57,879 --> 02:39:00,920
Speaker 4: Well, the same man who would not take his ass

2907
02:39:01,240 --> 02:39:05,080
Speaker 4: to any services on veteran day to this, to this

2908
02:39:05,240 --> 02:39:08,320
Speaker 4: same motherfucking I'm supposed to believe that you care, not

2909
02:39:08,400 --> 02:39:10,680
Speaker 4: trying funny and give a shit about the fucking veterans,

2910
02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:13,880
Speaker 4: and you were running for goddamn president and you didn't

2911
02:39:13,879 --> 02:39:18,560
Speaker 4: even take the courtesy go to the to the monuments,

2912
02:39:19,080 --> 02:39:20,880
Speaker 4: none of that. But I'm supposed to believe did you

2913
02:39:21,000 --> 02:39:22,560
Speaker 4: really give a fuck about her? Husband?

2914
02:39:26,920 --> 02:39:28,240
Speaker 3: And Van Jones.

2915
02:39:28,120 --> 02:39:31,160
Speaker 12: Joining me now also with me. Seeing and political commentator

2916
02:39:31,280 --> 02:39:32,680
Speaker 12: Angela Rye so.

2917
02:39:32,840 --> 02:39:36,120
Speaker 4: Van, you said this, this quote, that was one of the.

2918
02:39:36,160 --> 02:39:40,200
Speaker 12: Most extraordinary moments you've ever seen in American politics.

2919
02:39:40,280 --> 02:39:45,760
Speaker 6: Why m Well, because of the ability for the emotionality

2920
02:39:45,920 --> 02:39:50,320
Speaker 6: to connect with the political agenda of Donald Trump. Usually

2921
02:39:50,360 --> 02:39:53,119
Speaker 6: the emotions that he's playing on are very, very dark,

2922
02:39:53,280 --> 02:39:55,720
Speaker 6: very fear based. What I think that liberals have to

2923
02:39:55,760 --> 02:39:58,560
Speaker 6: take away from it is that the virus is mutating.

2924
02:39:59,160 --> 02:39:59,280
Speaker 2: Uh.

2925
02:39:59,760 --> 02:40:02,560
Speaker 10: He developing new weaponry that I.

2926
02:40:02,600 --> 02:40:04,640
Speaker 6: Don't think that liberals expected him to be able to

2927
02:40:04,680 --> 02:40:08,040
Speaker 6: develop so quickly. Most of his speeches are terrible. You

2928
02:40:08,120 --> 02:40:10,320
Speaker 6: have Twitter Trump, which is terrible, and then you have

2929
02:40:10,400 --> 02:40:15,160
Speaker 6: teleprompter Trump, which is barely any better. This was an

2930
02:40:15,240 --> 02:40:19,160
Speaker 6: effective speech. He was able to do things you haven't

2931
02:40:19,160 --> 02:40:22,760
Speaker 6: seen him do before. His agenda is still just as awful.

2932
02:40:23,440 --> 02:40:26,000
Speaker 6: The speech was full of lies and the same kind

2933
02:40:26,000 --> 02:40:28,280
Speaker 6: of stuff he always does. But he now has a

2934
02:40:28,440 --> 02:40:30,800
Speaker 6: set of weapons you've not seen him use before. If

2935
02:40:30,840 --> 02:40:32,959
Speaker 6: he starts doing this kind of thing instead of those

2936
02:40:33,000 --> 02:40:36,840
Speaker 6: crazy rallies over and over again, you begin to create

2937
02:40:36,920 --> 02:40:38,920
Speaker 6: problems for Democrats that I don't think they're ready for.

2938
02:40:40,120 --> 02:40:43,760
Speaker 3: Okay, one thing I would say that is none of

2939
02:40:43,840 --> 02:40:46,320
Speaker 3: what you described as presidential, and none of what you

2940
02:40:46,400 --> 02:40:49,640
Speaker 3: described as extraordinary, none of what you just like the

2941
02:40:49,760 --> 02:40:53,320
Speaker 3: reverence that he described that first that in that first

2942
02:40:53,400 --> 02:40:57,199
Speaker 3: clip we played that it wasn't one to be careful

2943
02:40:57,360 --> 02:41:01,120
Speaker 3: of this man. He's more dangerous now he has new tools.

2944
02:41:01,240 --> 02:41:04,680
Speaker 3: It wasn't that you were praising him. You are essentially

2945
02:41:04,760 --> 02:41:06,520
Speaker 3: praising him, And now you're trying to walk it back

2946
02:41:06,600 --> 02:41:09,960
Speaker 3: on some like, Hey, I didn't I didn't say he

2947
02:41:10,080 --> 02:41:11,840
Speaker 3: was the greatest. I just said it was a great

2948
02:41:11,879 --> 02:41:14,640
Speaker 3: moment and we need to be careful because he changed

2949
02:41:14,680 --> 02:41:18,280
Speaker 3: tones and all this shit, And it's like, Nah, ain't

2950
02:41:18,280 --> 02:41:18,879
Speaker 3: nobody crazy?

2951
02:41:19,440 --> 02:41:21,960
Speaker 12: You agree Angela with then that this was presidential.

2952
02:41:23,200 --> 02:41:26,320
Speaker 13: I definitely don't think that this is presidential. And it

2953
02:41:26,400 --> 02:41:28,760
Speaker 13: could be that I just don't understand the standard that

2954
02:41:28,840 --> 02:41:32,039
Speaker 13: we're using. But if by presidential we're talking about becoming

2955
02:41:32,360 --> 02:41:36,040
Speaker 13: a leader on the world stage, one that Americans everywhere

2956
02:41:36,120 --> 02:41:39,360
Speaker 13: could be hopeful about and supportive of, then I think

2957
02:41:39,400 --> 02:41:43,320
Speaker 13: the answer is a resounding no. Donald Trump took them,

2958
02:41:43,400 --> 02:41:46,720
Speaker 13: took sixty one minutes to tell fifty one lies, and

2959
02:41:46,800 --> 02:41:50,320
Speaker 13: they aren't just lies about his order, But what hopecific?

2960
02:41:50,400 --> 02:41:53,160
Speaker 12: What about that specific moment that we're talking about.

2961
02:41:54,360 --> 02:41:56,880
Speaker 13: Sure, I think that that just demonstrates his ability to

2962
02:41:57,000 --> 02:41:59,520
Speaker 13: be a decent human being. But I don't think that

2963
02:42:00,080 --> 02:42:02,920
Speaker 13: we're all his speech, this joint addressed to Congress demonstrates

2964
02:42:03,000 --> 02:42:07,039
Speaker 13: his ability, nor was it presidential. So again, I think

2965
02:42:07,080 --> 02:42:08,720
Speaker 13: that we have to go back to the fact that

2966
02:42:08,879 --> 02:42:11,600
Speaker 13: he talked about creating jobs that he did not create.

2967
02:42:11,879 --> 02:42:14,560
Speaker 13: He talks about this one record he has so far

2968
02:42:14,640 --> 02:42:17,200
Speaker 13: while he's been in office that pales in comparison to

2969
02:42:17,320 --> 02:42:19,920
Speaker 13: my President, Barack Obama. So I think again, when we

2970
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Speaker 13: talk about the standards being presidential, he's not met that standard.

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Speaker 13: And I'm not willing to give him a pass because

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Speaker 13: the bar is low.

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Speaker 6: Vam Well, listen, I appreciate the passion. Part of the

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02:42:32,240 --> 02:42:34,800
Speaker 6: thing is that President Obama set a standard as far

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02:42:34,800 --> 02:42:38,680
Speaker 6: as I'm concerned, that's not likely to be met soon. Yes,

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Speaker 6: I don't think that. I don't think President Obama is

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Speaker 6: a standard. We've had some great presidents, and we've had

2978
02:42:44,840 --> 02:42:47,720
Speaker 6: some awful presidents, and then we've had President Trump. And

2979
02:42:47,879 --> 02:42:50,440
Speaker 6: the problem that you have with President Trump is President

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02:42:50,480 --> 02:42:54,039
Speaker 6: Trump has not even touched until now, hasn't even touched

2981
02:42:54,120 --> 02:42:57,880
Speaker 6: the shoe of the worst of them and suddenly, though

2982
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Speaker 6: I think Democrats have expect that he's gonna stay that bad.

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Speaker 3: You know, I find it interesting too, like when you

2984
02:43:06,080 --> 02:43:12,320
Speaker 3: say President Obama had the standard that no other president

2985
02:43:12,360 --> 02:43:16,959
Speaker 3: can live up to, that y'all did criticize President Obama

2986
02:43:17,000 --> 02:43:20,440
Speaker 3: though it wasn't just a cake walk, Like even with

2987
02:43:20,720 --> 02:43:24,720
Speaker 3: this high bar, he wasn't perfect, he didn't make the

2988
02:43:24,840 --> 02:43:29,400
Speaker 3: world didn't go perfectly for him, the like people were

2989
02:43:29,480 --> 02:43:33,199
Speaker 3: on his ass still cause it was like the measurement

2990
02:43:33,400 --> 02:43:36,440
Speaker 3: for him was an unreasonable Like I honestly feel like

2991
02:43:36,480 --> 02:43:39,760
Speaker 3: the measurement most people that are critics of Obama have

2992
02:43:39,959 --> 02:43:42,560
Speaker 3: for him is one that's mostly unattainable. Like it's not

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02:43:43,000 --> 02:43:46,200
Speaker 3: that we have an example to go off of where

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02:43:46,200 --> 02:43:48,080
Speaker 3: we're like, well, this president was better than him. We

2995
02:43:48,240 --> 02:43:51,360
Speaker 3: just have an example of what we think, idealistically would

2996
02:43:51,400 --> 02:43:54,240
Speaker 3: be the best, and we're like, he wasn't that. And

2997
02:43:54,320 --> 02:43:58,199
Speaker 3: then for Trump it's the exact opposite. It's I can't

2998
02:43:58,240 --> 02:44:01,560
Speaker 3: imagine a dude worse than this. So everything he does

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02:44:01,680 --> 02:44:05,400
Speaker 3: that's not the fucking worst is better. And that is

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02:44:05,879 --> 02:44:09,680
Speaker 3: the exact double standard of whiteness in this job and

3001
02:44:10,400 --> 02:44:13,120
Speaker 3: being other in this job is when you're white in

3002
02:44:13,240 --> 02:44:17,440
Speaker 3: the the fucking the ceiling is the floor. When you're white,

3003
02:44:17,440 --> 02:44:20,640
Speaker 3: it's just like, oh, this motherfucker didn't trip over itself.

3004
02:44:21,120 --> 02:44:24,200
Speaker 3: What a president. Meanwhile, with Obama, they be like, is

3005
02:44:24,280 --> 02:44:27,080
Speaker 3: he too profit soil? I mean, he's just he's quoting

3006
02:44:27,120 --> 02:44:31,240
Speaker 3: too many facts, he's staying on the teleprompter, he's given

3007
02:44:31,320 --> 02:44:33,360
Speaker 3: us too much information. You can can the voters even

3008
02:44:33,440 --> 02:44:36,200
Speaker 3: understand what he's saying, Like you were getting that from

3009
02:44:36,360 --> 02:44:38,400
Speaker 3: from what and that was from the people that claimed

3010
02:44:38,400 --> 02:44:41,800
Speaker 3: to like to do that were like, he's two, he's

3011
02:44:41,879 --> 02:44:45,520
Speaker 3: too composed, he never gets angry that kind of shit. Meanwhile, Trump,

3012
02:44:45,560 --> 02:44:49,880
Speaker 3: it's like, Yo, he didn't piss on anyone's face tonight.

3013
02:44:50,440 --> 02:44:56,520
Speaker 3: What a great moment. So yeah, I think Van Jones

3014
02:44:56,600 --> 02:44:59,600
Speaker 3: defense of this ship is sad. It's like to me

3015
02:45:00,160 --> 02:45:05,440
Speaker 3: that I feel like I watched that person get like

3016
02:45:05,640 --> 02:45:10,880
Speaker 3: just try to capitulate to whiteness and to the pressures

3017
02:45:10,920 --> 02:45:16,600
Speaker 3: of that seeingn environment to the point where they're useless.

3018
02:45:16,760 --> 02:45:20,360
Speaker 3: Now you know what I mean, Like you essentially are

3019
02:45:20,520 --> 02:45:24,240
Speaker 3: useless in this discussion because you're giving credit to the

3020
02:45:24,320 --> 02:45:28,160
Speaker 3: lowest bar, which means you're we can't no one can

3021
02:45:28,280 --> 02:45:30,760
Speaker 3: really take you seriously, and the only thing you got

3022
02:45:30,879 --> 02:45:33,800
Speaker 3: is your credibility. Man, Like, that's the only thing you got, Like,

3023
02:45:33,879 --> 02:45:36,200
Speaker 3: the one thing that enables you to not be on

3024
02:45:36,360 --> 02:45:39,160
Speaker 3: CNN and to go somewhere else and to be mister

3025
02:45:39,320 --> 02:45:41,720
Speaker 3: van Jones, we all respect is your credibility. So you

3026
02:45:41,879 --> 02:45:45,560
Speaker 3: lost it for whether it's for the check or whether

3027
02:45:45,600 --> 02:45:48,160
Speaker 3: it was for the fear, or whether you really have

3028
02:45:49,560 --> 02:45:52,400
Speaker 3: a pea like talk to so many crazy ass racist

3029
02:45:52,440 --> 02:45:55,560
Speaker 3: white people that you essentially are, Like, I gotta find

3030
02:45:55,560 --> 02:45:58,560
Speaker 3: a way to survive by finding the middle ground. You know,

3031
02:45:58,680 --> 02:46:01,160
Speaker 3: there's a reason he got to show on you know, Angela, Right,

3032
02:46:01,200 --> 02:46:03,640
Speaker 3: don't you know what I mean. That's a reason that

3033
02:46:03,720 --> 02:46:06,080
Speaker 3: some of these people are permanent fixtures of seeing it

3034
02:46:06,200 --> 02:46:08,880
Speaker 3: and other black people won't be, you know, because of

3035
02:46:08,959 --> 02:46:11,360
Speaker 3: the mass unblackening of the media and the fact that

3036
02:46:12,120 --> 02:46:15,720
Speaker 3: they don't want these black people taking racism to task

3037
02:46:15,800 --> 02:46:18,560
Speaker 3: every week because they're complicit in it at any rate.

3038
02:46:18,640 --> 02:46:20,920
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna play the rest of the thing, but

3039
02:46:21,080 --> 02:46:24,280
Speaker 3: I think you guys get the point. And yeah, it's

3040
02:46:24,320 --> 02:46:28,440
Speaker 3: disappointing to be honest, Like, I don't I think people

3041
02:46:28,520 --> 02:46:31,480
Speaker 3: get a little too loose with the with some of

3042
02:46:31,520 --> 02:46:35,760
Speaker 3: the accusations because I don't I want to be able

3043
02:46:35,800 --> 02:46:39,040
Speaker 3: to I'm criticizing this dude, but I'm not saying nothing

3044
02:46:39,080 --> 02:46:42,080
Speaker 3: else he's ever said counts because he has said. He

3045
02:46:42,200 --> 02:46:46,160
Speaker 3: has said a lot of at very at the minimum,

3046
02:46:46,360 --> 02:46:49,160
Speaker 3: a lot of racially aware shit that I'm glad he

3047
02:46:49,320 --> 02:46:52,840
Speaker 3: was on the panel to discuss. But this, this, this

3048
02:46:52,920 --> 02:46:57,400
Speaker 3: ship with Colin Trump presidential was a complete floob. All right,

3049
02:46:57,760 --> 02:46:59,400
Speaker 3: let's get into some light of white people news and

3050
02:46:59,400 --> 02:47:03,280
Speaker 3: we'll get out of here. Uh So, the rest's white

3051
02:47:03,280 --> 02:47:05,880
Speaker 3: people news about to you by Bebel, the first and

3052
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Speaker 3: only shaving system design specifically for course curly hair and

3053
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Speaker 3: All right, it's time to go outside. It's already stopped

3056
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Speaker 3: snowing and snows all melted here, guys, right, and you

3057
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Speaker 3: don't want to go outside with all that stuff all

3058
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Speaker 3: over your face looking all rough, looking like a topographical map.

3059
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Speaker 3: You need to go ahead and get smooth because that's

3060
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Speaker 3: what the people like. They like smooth people's so go

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Speaker 3: to gatbevel dot com slash TVGWT today. All right, make

3062
02:47:37,200 --> 02:47:39,119
Speaker 3: sure you support the show. It helps us out when

3063
02:47:39,160 --> 02:47:40,920
Speaker 3: you do it. Shout out to the people that like

3064
02:47:41,000 --> 02:47:43,360
Speaker 3: tweet them and stuff. When you get Beve and you go,

3065
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Speaker 3: this is a great shave. All that stuff helps and

3066
02:47:45,879 --> 02:47:49,920
Speaker 3: it keeps people. It keeps our sponsors supporting us. All right,

3067
02:47:50,720 --> 02:47:56,520
Speaker 3: white people news giving them the code shoulder. Justin Bieaver

3068
02:47:56,720 --> 02:48:00,600
Speaker 3: snubs Melbourne fans again, failing to show at an ice

3069
02:48:00,760 --> 02:48:03,880
Speaker 3: hockey match organized for him hours after refusing selfies and

3070
02:48:03,959 --> 02:48:08,400
Speaker 3: looking bored on stage. Looks like the bad boys back, y'all.

3071
02:48:11,680 --> 02:48:15,520
Speaker 3: He apparently was bored on phage and then was bored

3072
02:48:15,560 --> 02:48:17,800
Speaker 3: on stage, and then when fans wanted selfies, he was like,

3073
02:48:17,920 --> 02:48:21,560
Speaker 3: hell no, I'm good and not content with, not content

3074
02:48:21,680 --> 02:48:24,800
Speaker 3: with just snubbing diehard fans. A twenty year old damn

3075
02:48:24,840 --> 02:48:28,240
Speaker 3: he only twenty reportedly also gave a cold shoulder to

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02:48:28,320 --> 02:48:30,440
Speaker 3: a prior commitment, failing to show at the ice hockey

3077
02:48:30,480 --> 02:48:35,160
Speaker 3: game organizing his specific request. The Canadian singer an ice

3078
02:48:35,200 --> 02:48:38,520
Speaker 3: hockey fan, was slammed by semi professional team Melbourne Ice

3079
02:48:38,600 --> 02:48:40,879
Speaker 3: on Sunday, who revealed Bieber failed to show the match

3080
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Speaker 3: organized for him. Biber have a poorly asked the team

3081
02:48:43,400 --> 02:48:45,200
Speaker 3: to find a specific stick for him to join in

3082
02:48:45,320 --> 02:48:49,000
Speaker 3: the fund, wanting one with a white grip grip tape

3083
02:48:49,040 --> 02:48:52,080
Speaker 3: and not black. They were running around all day sourcing

3084
02:48:52,120 --> 02:48:56,280
Speaker 3: the hockey stick, but the pop star never arrived. Oh

3085
02:48:56,480 --> 02:49:01,520
Speaker 3: Man never say never right. In a statement released by

3086
02:49:01,560 --> 02:49:04,360
Speaker 3: the club on Sunday, it was revealed the players were

3087
02:49:04,480 --> 02:49:06,360
Speaker 3: very excited about the prospect of playing with and in

3088
02:49:06,440 --> 02:49:09,480
Speaker 3: front of Beaver. As rumblings of a special appearance from

3089
02:49:09,520 --> 02:49:12,360
Speaker 3: visiting music superstar Justin Biaver to join the team began

3090
02:49:12,480 --> 02:49:15,000
Speaker 3: to circulate, players were put in place for a scrimmage

3091
02:49:15,040 --> 02:49:18,160
Speaker 3: match that no available player was willing to miss despite

3092
02:49:18,200 --> 02:49:20,680
Speaker 3: the non appearance from Beaver. Just as the boys prepared

3093
02:49:20,680 --> 02:49:23,320
Speaker 3: to hit the ice, the playing group took the disappointment

3094
02:49:23,360 --> 02:49:26,560
Speaker 3: and stride the ice. Hockey note show followed claims that

3095
02:49:26,640 --> 02:49:31,120
Speaker 3: the fans that from fans that the superstar looked miserable

3096
02:49:31,160 --> 02:49:33,840
Speaker 3: while performing to a sold out crowd. Crowd and eat

3097
02:49:33,920 --> 02:49:38,280
Speaker 3: the Hide Stadium on Friday. Maybe he's mad at the

3098
02:49:38,320 --> 02:49:42,680
Speaker 3: weekends with his ex girl these days, you know, seemed

3099
02:49:42,680 --> 02:49:45,520
Speaker 3: to be the thing that he's most worried about. A

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02:49:45,800 --> 02:49:48,680
Speaker 3: day later, again came under fire appearing to snubb Is

3101
02:49:48,720 --> 02:49:51,560
Speaker 3: devoted believers who gathered outside this hotel for a photo

3102
02:49:51,680 --> 02:49:54,480
Speaker 3: with him. The star appeared to go incognito and a

3103
02:49:54,520 --> 02:49:56,720
Speaker 3: dressed down look to avoid attention, but an ego liyed

3104
02:49:56,760 --> 02:50:01,760
Speaker 3: fans spot of him. Saba told The Sydney Morning Harold

3105
02:50:01,879 --> 02:50:04,040
Speaker 3: that she had been circling the city in search of

3106
02:50:04,120 --> 02:50:06,760
Speaker 3: the pop star and when she spotted him and rushed

3107
02:50:06,800 --> 02:50:08,720
Speaker 3: over to greet him. When I got out my car,

3108
02:50:08,879 --> 02:50:10,280
Speaker 3: ran over to ask for a photo. And now is

3109
02:50:10,320 --> 02:50:13,880
Speaker 3: when he said, why are you evading my privacy? He

3110
02:50:14,040 --> 02:50:15,760
Speaker 3: wasn't in a good mood. He was adamant that he

3111
02:50:15,800 --> 02:50:18,080
Speaker 3: wouldn't take a photo with me. He was not interested

3112
02:50:18,080 --> 02:50:19,880
Speaker 3: in the photo at all. I told him I was

3113
02:50:19,959 --> 02:50:23,760
Speaker 3: gonna take the photo anyway. Damn fans don't give a fuck.

3114
02:50:24,560 --> 02:50:27,440
Speaker 3: Justin mcgah the Australian leg of his Purpose tour in

3115
02:50:27,600 --> 02:50:29,879
Speaker 3: Perth this week, getting up close to person with many

3116
02:50:29,920 --> 02:50:34,520
Speaker 3: fans during before or after this Perth yig so shit, man,

3117
02:50:35,240 --> 02:50:38,800
Speaker 3: that ain't no joke. I told hehrm't take this picture anyway, bitch.

3118
02:50:39,560 --> 02:50:42,120
Speaker 3: She went from a believer of just taking his like, no,

3119
02:50:43,320 --> 02:50:47,320
Speaker 3: I believe you gonna take this picture. Ben Aflet and

3120
02:50:47,400 --> 02:50:50,400
Speaker 3: Jennifer Lawrence are calling off the divorce for now.

3121
02:50:51,520 --> 02:50:55,440
Speaker 4: Aw shit, man still getting still married? Mm hm.

3122
02:50:56,240 --> 02:51:00,600
Speaker 3: Both actors forty four years old, announced a separation back

3123
02:51:00,640 --> 02:51:03,080
Speaker 3: in June twenty fifteen. They aren't back together. They decide

3124
02:51:03,080 --> 02:51:05,080
Speaker 3: to keep working on their marriage after going through a

3125
02:51:05,160 --> 02:51:07,280
Speaker 3: recent rough pass that nearly led to a permanent split.

3126
02:51:08,120 --> 02:51:10,160
Speaker 3: Jen is called off to divorce. A source Toast the

3127
02:51:10,200 --> 02:51:12,640
Speaker 3: Gardener tells people in the latest issue she really wants

3128
02:51:12,680 --> 02:51:14,440
Speaker 3: to work things out with Ben. They are going to try.

3129
02:51:14,720 --> 02:51:17,959
Speaker 3: They're going to give things another try. But a source

3130
02:51:17,959 --> 02:51:20,080
Speaker 3: closer the couple says it was a decision they both made.

3131
02:51:20,400 --> 02:51:23,520
Speaker 3: There's always a chance of reconciliation. They always love each other.

3132
02:51:25,000 --> 02:51:27,440
Speaker 3: They are also really really love that kids, and that

3133
02:51:27,680 --> 02:51:35,120
Speaker 3: kids love their parents. Oh m hm, so good for them. Man,

3134
02:51:36,760 --> 02:51:38,840
Speaker 3: y'all can fix that thing, you know.

3135
02:51:40,400 --> 02:51:40,560
Speaker 5: Uh.

3136
02:51:41,879 --> 02:51:46,800
Speaker 3: Scarlar Johansson fouled for divorce from her French husband Romaine

3137
02:51:47,080 --> 02:51:51,119
Speaker 3: doriak IMiD claim split may lead to custody battle over

3138
02:51:51,160 --> 02:51:52,800
Speaker 3: their daughter, Rose, who is three years old.

3139
02:51:54,680 --> 02:51:54,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3140
02:51:55,640 --> 02:51:57,760
Speaker 3: At the weeks of speculation about the state of her marriage,

3141
02:51:57,800 --> 02:52:01,800
Speaker 3: Hollywood star Scarlett Johannes has filed for the vorce from

3142
02:52:01,840 --> 02:52:07,280
Speaker 3: French husband Romanac Douriach. The York Post Page six broke

3143
02:52:07,360 --> 02:52:10,440
Speaker 3: the news story, stating that the actress attorney Julith Poller,

3144
02:52:10,840 --> 02:52:14,720
Speaker 3: had served the divorced violence on Duriac's lawyer, Harold Mayerson.

3145
02:52:15,640 --> 02:52:17,720
Speaker 3: The publication claimed that the former end of the marriage

3146
02:52:17,879 --> 02:52:20,800
Speaker 3: might lead to a nasty custody battle over the couple's

3147
02:52:20,800 --> 02:52:26,680
Speaker 3: three year old daughter Rose. The ny Post quoted Mayerson

3148
02:52:26,800 --> 02:52:29,560
Speaker 3: as saying that Douryac would like to move to France

3149
02:52:29,640 --> 02:52:32,920
Speaker 3: with his daughter, and miss Johnson does a lot of traveling,

3150
02:52:33,560 --> 02:52:39,240
Speaker 3: it will be an interesting process. They started dating in

3151
02:52:39,360 --> 02:52:43,640
Speaker 3: late twenty twelve, and they got married October first, twenty fourteen,

3152
02:52:44,280 --> 02:52:48,039
Speaker 3: in Montana. Following the birth of their daughter, The Avenger

3153
02:52:48,120 --> 02:52:50,880
Speaker 3: Star was consistently pictured without her wedding ring for the

3154
02:52:50,920 --> 02:52:54,840
Speaker 3: past several months, and in January confirmed US Weekly confirmed

3155
02:52:54,879 --> 02:52:58,480
Speaker 3: that the couple had in fact separated in the summer

3156
02:52:58,560 --> 02:53:03,640
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. Mm hm hmmm. After the breakup, the two

3157
02:53:03,720 --> 02:53:07,640
Speaker 3: agreed to an informal co parenting agreement where they spent

3158
02:53:07,879 --> 02:53:10,640
Speaker 3: every other week with Rose, but things got more difficult

3159
02:53:10,640 --> 02:53:13,560
Speaker 3: when the actions decided she wanted to alternate its shorter schedule,

3160
02:53:13,640 --> 02:53:15,680
Speaker 3: with her taking the child for three days and then

3161
02:53:15,720 --> 02:53:18,440
Speaker 3: the father taking up her two. The kid was bouncing

3162
02:53:18,480 --> 02:53:22,240
Speaker 3: back and forth. A source toe pay six. When Doriak

3163
02:53:22,720 --> 02:53:27,120
Speaker 3: complained that Johansson's schedule was taking presidents, he allegedly he

3164
02:53:27,240 --> 02:53:29,760
Speaker 3: was allegedly told that this is what they do in Hollywood.

3165
02:53:30,520 --> 02:53:34,120
Speaker 3: Mm hm hmmm, So you gotta be careful marrying these

3166
02:53:34,640 --> 02:53:39,400
Speaker 3: these starless man. Just last month, Johansson gave an interview

3167
02:53:39,400 --> 02:53:41,240
Speaker 3: to Playboy which she spoke about a marriage, of coming

3168
02:53:41,240 --> 02:53:43,560
Speaker 3: to mother and setting up home in New York, describing

3169
02:53:43,560 --> 02:53:45,680
Speaker 3: it as a huge transition. But while she gushed over

3170
02:53:45,720 --> 02:53:47,760
Speaker 3: her young daughter, she also talked about how much traveling

3171
02:53:47,840 --> 02:53:49,720
Speaker 3: she does with her job and the way of being

3172
02:53:49,800 --> 02:53:52,480
Speaker 3: legally contracted to another person. I think the idea of

3173
02:53:52,600 --> 02:53:54,720
Speaker 3: marriage is very romantic. It's a beautiful idea, and the

3174
02:53:54,760 --> 02:53:57,040
Speaker 3: practice of it can be a very beautiful thing. I

3175
02:53:57,080 --> 02:53:59,039
Speaker 3: don't think it's natural to be a monogamous person.

3176
02:53:59,160 --> 02:53:59,560
Speaker 11: She said.

3177
02:54:00,040 --> 02:54:04,200
Speaker 3: Mmm, she got here fucking these nigger us. That's what

3178
02:54:04,280 --> 02:54:07,800
Speaker 3: that means. She already hit up Chris Evans or somebody.

3179
02:54:09,520 --> 02:54:12,280
Speaker 3: I gotta be around all these hunky ass avengance men.

3180
02:54:12,440 --> 02:54:17,120
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to not get a piece. Please. Being married

3181
02:54:17,240 --> 02:54:19,520
Speaker 3: is different than not being married, and anybody who tells

3182
02:54:19,560 --> 02:54:21,240
Speaker 3: you that is the same as line.

3183
02:54:21,320 --> 02:54:22,080
Speaker 4: It changes things.

3184
02:54:22,120 --> 02:54:25,960
Speaker 3: It's beautiful, it's a beautiful responsibility, but it's a responsibility.

3185
02:54:28,680 --> 02:54:31,520
Speaker 3: Despite that separation, Johansson was joined by Dorriak, who was

3186
02:54:31,600 --> 02:54:34,640
Speaker 3: also a partner in the venture. At the October opening

3187
02:54:34,720 --> 02:54:37,840
Speaker 3: of her Going Mate popcorn store in Paris, the actress

3188
02:54:38,040 --> 02:54:41,440
Speaker 3: happily served up popcorn to the first customers of Yummy

3189
02:54:41,480 --> 02:54:44,840
Speaker 3: Pop in the Mariastic district.

3190
02:54:45,920 --> 02:54:48,040
Speaker 4: Uh had uh.

3191
02:54:48,400 --> 02:54:50,240
Speaker 3: It has been a dream of mine. My family get

3192
02:54:50,280 --> 02:54:53,680
Speaker 3: served for several years to get bring our favorite American

3193
02:54:53,760 --> 02:54:57,200
Speaker 3: snack out to our favorite European city. Scholar said in

3194
02:54:57,240 --> 02:55:02,280
Speaker 3: a statement at the time of her launch. Hmm, well,

3195
02:55:02,320 --> 02:55:04,000
Speaker 3: I guess she wants some other people to pop some

3196
02:55:04,120 --> 02:55:10,400
Speaker 3: seeds and not him. Her marriage to Dorryck wasn't the

3197
02:55:10,440 --> 02:55:12,520
Speaker 3: first time she had slipped off. She had slipped on

3198
02:55:12,560 --> 02:55:14,760
Speaker 3: her wedding ring except tem In two thousand and eight,

3199
02:55:14,840 --> 02:55:17,360
Speaker 3: the Lost in Translation star quietly tied to not with

3200
02:55:17,440 --> 02:55:20,800
Speaker 3: Canadian actor Ryan Reynolds. I didn't know that, but two

3201
02:55:20,879 --> 02:55:22,920
Speaker 3: years later that an now they're separating. Their divorce was

3202
02:55:23,000 --> 02:55:24,600
Speaker 3: finalized July twenty eleven.

3203
02:55:25,680 --> 02:55:28,320
Speaker 4: She keeps shit very very quiet. I didn't know she

3204
02:55:28,480 --> 02:55:30,760
Speaker 4: was married, and I didn't know she had a child. Yeah.

3205
02:55:30,879 --> 02:55:32,800
Speaker 3: Well also you know, well, I mean, you don't really

3206
02:55:32,879 --> 02:55:35,520
Speaker 3: know much about these white people. But also, you know,

3207
02:55:35,680 --> 02:55:39,320
Speaker 3: for a scholar Joe Hanson, it might be like for

3208
02:55:39,440 --> 02:55:42,080
Speaker 3: her image. You know, it's just you know, a lot

3209
02:55:42,120 --> 02:55:45,000
Speaker 3: of stars want to keep, especially women's stars, want to

3210
02:55:45,080 --> 02:55:48,560
Speaker 3: keep this idea of like, I'm not with anybody, I'm

3211
02:55:48,560 --> 02:55:52,480
Speaker 3: attainable to fans because that shit psychologically works on a

3212
02:55:52,480 --> 02:55:56,600
Speaker 3: lot of men for some reason. But yeah, they got

3213
02:55:56,640 --> 02:56:00,840
Speaker 3: divorced too, And she did have a brief, highly publicized

3214
02:56:01,000 --> 02:56:04,960
Speaker 3: mass with Sean Penn Shawn Penn. Ain't that nigga? Oh,

3215
02:56:05,440 --> 02:56:06,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, Hollywood is weird.

3216
02:56:07,560 --> 02:56:07,680
Speaker 5: Uh.

3217
02:56:07,920 --> 02:56:10,800
Speaker 3: She had also previously enjoyed a two year relationship that

3218
02:56:10,879 --> 02:56:13,039
Speaker 3: end in two thousand and six with actor Josh Hartnett,

3219
02:56:13,680 --> 02:56:16,640
Speaker 3: with whom she started the film The Black Dahlia. So

3220
02:56:18,600 --> 02:56:21,160
Speaker 3: I guess she keep a bad bitch. So except for

3221
02:56:21,240 --> 02:56:24,480
Speaker 3: this French dude, he was just okay, yeah, yeah, I'm

3222
02:56:24,520 --> 02:56:28,600
Speaker 3: just saying she's done better in the past. Mama June

3223
02:56:28,680 --> 02:56:30,760
Speaker 3: reveals that she lost one hundred and forty one pounds

3224
02:56:30,800 --> 02:56:34,360
Speaker 3: before dramatic standout with Sugar bears new fiance and Not

3225
02:56:34,600 --> 02:56:39,760
Speaker 3: Too Hot. What that's right, Mama June, the mother of Honey.

3226
02:56:39,560 --> 02:56:44,720
Speaker 4: Boo Boo, who was dip my ham in some hounted

3227
02:56:44,879 --> 02:56:47,119
Speaker 4: and put syrup on it and then deep fried. Mama

3228
02:56:47,200 --> 02:56:50,640
Speaker 4: June m talking, but yes, I'm sorry that Mama Jone.

3229
02:56:50,800 --> 02:56:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was Mama June.

3230
02:56:52,200 --> 02:56:55,720
Speaker 4: Yeah. Back in the day, she Mama June. But on everything,

3231
02:56:55,840 --> 02:56:56,480
Speaker 4: Mama Jone.

3232
02:56:56,640 --> 02:56:57,600
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm hmm.

3233
02:56:58,040 --> 02:57:00,800
Speaker 3: Well, she got a personal trainer named Kenya, and she

3234
02:57:00,959 --> 02:57:04,000
Speaker 3: finally uh, and she lost some weight and she finally

3235
02:57:04,040 --> 02:57:06,879
Speaker 3: weighs herself for the first time. In her new TV

3236
02:57:07,000 --> 02:57:11,400
Speaker 3: show called Not the Hot on we TV, she admits

3237
02:57:11,440 --> 02:57:13,440
Speaker 3: she is trying to slim down for her ex husband

3238
02:57:13,480 --> 02:57:19,280
Speaker 3: Sugar Bears wedding, which is still months away. I guess so,

3239
02:57:19,680 --> 02:57:22,000
Speaker 3: I hope I'm under two twenty. She explains what stepping

3240
02:57:22,040 --> 02:57:24,400
Speaker 3: on the scale of Realer. She lost eighty four pounds

3241
02:57:24,440 --> 02:57:26,840
Speaker 3: in eight weeks. She went from three hundred and fifty

3242
02:57:26,840 --> 02:57:30,480
Speaker 3: two pounds to two hundred and eleven pounds. The episode

3243
02:57:30,560 --> 02:57:32,960
Speaker 3: begins with Gum being introduced to a new trainer, Kenya

3244
02:57:33,040 --> 02:57:35,560
Speaker 3: cooks who searched, who as searched. He is willing to

3245
02:57:35,600 --> 02:57:37,360
Speaker 3: do what's necessary to help Mama June lose another one

3246
02:57:37,400 --> 02:57:39,880
Speaker 3: hundred pounds. I'm going to kick her ass. Can you

3247
02:57:40,000 --> 02:57:43,480
Speaker 3: explain sending Mama June to get ready in five minutes

3248
02:57:46,280 --> 02:57:50,039
Speaker 3: instead of going into a regular gym? Oh, you want

3249
02:57:50,040 --> 02:57:50,680
Speaker 3: to see them? Okay?

3250
02:57:50,720 --> 02:57:52,520
Speaker 4: Hold on, I'm sorry if you don't mind.

3251
02:57:52,800 --> 02:57:54,520
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't mind. I was I just

3252
02:57:54,600 --> 02:57:57,440
Speaker 3: wasn't thinking. My fault. Obviously that would be either a

3253
02:57:57,560 --> 02:57:59,240
Speaker 3: pill of the story to see them before and after

3254
02:57:59,280 --> 02:58:06,320
Speaker 3: and stuff. But uh, that's her before and after pictures.

3255
02:58:06,640 --> 02:58:12,640
Speaker 3: Can you see them? Yeah? I mean yeah, that's a

3256
02:58:12,640 --> 02:58:13,400
Speaker 3: lot of weight to lose.

3257
02:58:13,480 --> 02:58:13,600
Speaker 7: You know.

3258
02:58:14,600 --> 02:58:16,160
Speaker 3: Instead of going to a regular gym, they go to

3259
02:58:16,200 --> 02:58:18,720
Speaker 3: a park and use children playground to help her lose weight.

3260
02:58:19,240 --> 02:58:21,600
Speaker 3: Kenya tries to get June pumped up for a workout,

3261
02:58:21,640 --> 02:58:23,440
Speaker 3: but she is less than impressed and walks slowly to

3262
02:58:23,520 --> 02:58:27,120
Speaker 3: the playground. You are freaking insane, she exclaimed, I don't

3263
02:58:27,160 --> 02:58:29,320
Speaker 3: want to do all this. She's then forced to get

3264
02:58:29,360 --> 02:58:30,920
Speaker 3: down on all fours to do a bare crawl on

3265
02:58:30,959 --> 02:58:32,920
Speaker 3: the grass, as well as a number of different exercides

3266
02:58:32,959 --> 02:58:36,160
Speaker 3: to prove that proved difficult for the reality stars.

3267
02:58:36,240 --> 02:58:38,560
Speaker 4: Good for her, I mean, I know, making, but good

3268
02:58:38,600 --> 02:58:40,560
Speaker 4: for her if that's something that she wants to.

3269
02:58:40,600 --> 02:58:41,720
Speaker 7: Do for her.

3270
02:58:42,000 --> 02:58:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah my thing, that's okay. Yeah, good for her. I mean,

3271
02:58:46,080 --> 02:58:50,440
Speaker 3: nothing wrong with that. Here's my problem. What happened with

3272
02:58:50,520 --> 02:58:51,680
Speaker 3: that child mo less station ship?

3273
02:58:51,800 --> 02:58:53,080
Speaker 13: And why is it?

3274
02:58:54,560 --> 02:58:57,039
Speaker 3: Why y'all just back on TV like that didn't happen.

3275
02:58:57,160 --> 02:58:59,160
Speaker 3: That just seems very fucking weird.

3276
02:58:59,320 --> 02:59:01,600
Speaker 4: Guess you said I didn't molest these kids.

3277
02:59:02,640 --> 02:59:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she was like enabling it. And uh her

3278
02:59:05,560 --> 02:59:07,680
Speaker 3: her daughter, one of her daughters said she was abused

3279
02:59:07,720 --> 02:59:12,560
Speaker 3: by her boyfriend, by Mama Juwe's boyfriend, And like, how

3280
02:59:12,640 --> 02:59:14,000
Speaker 3: the fuck is this on TV?

3281
02:59:14,200 --> 02:59:14,440
Speaker 4: Again?

3282
02:59:14,600 --> 02:59:20,640
Speaker 3: Like it's all good? This is I don't know what

3283
02:59:21,800 --> 02:59:23,879
Speaker 3: this is. Like if they had that very special episode

3284
02:59:24,000 --> 02:59:26,640
Speaker 3: of Different Strokes when they went to the bicycle shop,

3285
02:59:26,959 --> 02:59:28,560
Speaker 3: but then the next week they was back with the

3286
02:59:28,600 --> 02:59:30,800
Speaker 3: bicycle shop, dude, it'd be like, what, No, you can't

3287
02:59:30,879 --> 02:59:33,400
Speaker 3: be back on TV. You molested kids. That's the end.

3288
02:59:34,240 --> 02:59:40,480
Speaker 3: No more of this. Oh god. Uh they started growing apart.

3289
02:59:40,640 --> 02:59:44,000
Speaker 3: Jaden Smith eighteen and Sarah Snyder twenty one split up

3290
02:59:44,040 --> 02:59:44,840
Speaker 3: after two years of.

3291
02:59:44,879 --> 02:59:50,760
Speaker 4: Dayton eighteen so she didn't he was sixteen. Oh you

3292
02:59:50,800 --> 02:59:52,000
Speaker 4: could say this eighteen.

3293
02:59:53,280 --> 02:59:55,840
Speaker 3: He's eighteen, she's twenty one. They dated for two years,

3294
02:59:55,879 --> 02:59:57,960
Speaker 3: so she must have been nineteen. He must have been

3295
02:59:58,080 --> 03:00:02,440
Speaker 3: sixteen when it started dating, right, yeah.

3296
03:00:02,280 --> 03:00:03,920
Speaker 4: Because if this is a girl, people be up in

3297
03:00:03,959 --> 03:00:05,200
Speaker 4: the fucking having a fucking fit.

3298
03:00:05,280 --> 03:00:08,160
Speaker 3: He was under age, that's true. If it was Willill Smith,

3299
03:00:08,160 --> 03:00:09,360
Speaker 3: people would be like, what the fuck?

3300
03:00:09,720 --> 03:00:11,760
Speaker 4: People? That's why when you set up like that don't

3301
03:00:11,800 --> 03:00:12,280
Speaker 4: make no sense.

3302
03:00:12,560 --> 03:00:14,880
Speaker 3: Maybe they just feel that he's wise beyond his age

3303
03:00:14,920 --> 03:00:16,280
Speaker 3: because he always says weird shit.

3304
03:00:16,800 --> 03:00:19,040
Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck right now, she shouldn't have

3305
03:00:19,040 --> 03:00:20,279
Speaker 4: did that, wait till eighteen.

3306
03:00:20,640 --> 03:00:22,520
Speaker 3: Apparently they have been on the rocks for a while

3307
03:00:22,600 --> 03:00:26,800
Speaker 3: and stop having shared interest. Only Jaden Smith can be like,

3308
03:00:26,920 --> 03:00:28,680
Speaker 3: I had a conscious uncovering at eighteen.

3309
03:00:29,160 --> 03:00:32,440
Speaker 4: Yes, Jaden not like his weird ass People give him

3310
03:00:32,440 --> 03:00:34,720
Speaker 4: a hard time. But all these weird ass white kids

3311
03:00:34,840 --> 03:00:37,120
Speaker 4: named Apple, Peaches and ones and pair out here having

3312
03:00:37,160 --> 03:00:40,279
Speaker 4: a good time. You leave will Smith and them kids alone.

3313
03:00:40,920 --> 03:00:44,040
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, wait, so which one are you okay with this?

3314
03:00:44,120 --> 03:00:44,920
Speaker 3: And you're not okay with this?

3315
03:00:45,120 --> 03:00:47,360
Speaker 4: I am not okay with this? But leading him alone

3316
03:00:47,360 --> 03:00:50,560
Speaker 4: for being weird, okay, not not not for not for

3317
03:00:51,480 --> 03:00:53,760
Speaker 4: her having sex men on their child. No, I'm not

3318
03:00:53,879 --> 03:00:55,560
Speaker 4: okay with no, we don't be weird.

3319
03:00:55,920 --> 03:00:58,320
Speaker 3: I don't know if when they were or were not

3320
03:00:58,480 --> 03:01:00,840
Speaker 3: having sex. I mean, I guess technically they could have

3321
03:01:00,879 --> 03:01:03,240
Speaker 3: been in a relationship and not been having sex.

3322
03:01:03,320 --> 03:01:05,000
Speaker 4: What do you think I don't.

3323
03:01:06,360 --> 03:01:09,800
Speaker 3: Well, no, okay, also don't. I think the legal age

3324
03:01:09,800 --> 03:01:14,040
Speaker 3: of consent is eighteen and in Laya. But I don't

3325
03:01:14,080 --> 03:01:16,400
Speaker 3: know the rules between age difference because you know, they

3326
03:01:16,440 --> 03:01:19,440
Speaker 3: always have that, like you can be sixteen and day

3327
03:01:19,480 --> 03:01:21,800
Speaker 3: of seventeen or eighteen year old, but you can't be

3328
03:01:21,920 --> 03:01:23,600
Speaker 3: sixteen to day to twenty one year old, you know.

3329
03:01:24,320 --> 03:01:26,560
Speaker 3: So I don't know what nineteen and sixteen.

3330
03:01:26,840 --> 03:01:29,680
Speaker 4: Call me old fashioned, but I'm like, if y'all was

3331
03:01:29,720 --> 03:01:32,520
Speaker 4: in a race relationship, there was some fucking going on.

3332
03:01:32,720 --> 03:01:34,800
Speaker 4: I don't believe it. Well, I don't believe y'all was

3333
03:01:34,840 --> 03:01:37,039
Speaker 4: just holding hands and google the ass out of each

3334
03:01:37,040 --> 03:01:38,959
Speaker 4: other while he read the you weird poems?

3335
03:01:39,040 --> 03:01:43,880
Speaker 3: No mm hmm, okay, yeah, I'm not buying. It always

3336
03:01:43,920 --> 03:01:47,120
Speaker 3: feels like with these famous people, nobody cares because I mean,

3337
03:01:47,240 --> 03:01:52,280
Speaker 3: the Kardashians had like Tiger Dayton, the the whatever that was.

3338
03:01:52,440 --> 03:01:54,760
Speaker 4: Girl, and I have a problem with that, but everybody

3339
03:01:54,959 --> 03:01:56,600
Speaker 4: was not like this shit is no more, No, what's not?

3340
03:01:57,760 --> 03:02:01,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know. It says federal law makes

3341
03:02:02,000 --> 03:02:04,320
Speaker 3: it a criminal to engage in sexual act with another

3342
03:02:04,360 --> 03:02:06,160
Speaker 3: person between the age of twelve and sixteen if they

3343
03:02:06,160 --> 03:02:08,760
Speaker 3: are at least four years younger than you. So this

3344
03:02:08,879 --> 03:02:12,240
Speaker 3: is legal there because there are three years apart, not four.

3345
03:02:13,280 --> 03:02:16,440
Speaker 3: So apparently he could be sixteen and she could be

3346
03:02:16,560 --> 03:02:17,760
Speaker 3: nineteen and naked date.

3347
03:02:18,920 --> 03:02:20,320
Speaker 4: I guess. I don't have any kids, but as a

3348
03:02:20,360 --> 03:02:23,680
Speaker 4: pan I'm like, nope, you grown, beach beat it, you

3349
03:02:23,840 --> 03:02:25,360
Speaker 4: are grown. Get away from my child.

3350
03:02:27,040 --> 03:02:30,879
Speaker 3: But yeah, apparently they broke up, is what we were

3351
03:02:30,920 --> 03:02:32,720
Speaker 3: trying to say. And they they have a lot of

3352
03:02:32,800 --> 03:02:37,400
Speaker 3: pictures where they were having a lot of PDA and

3353
03:02:37,840 --> 03:02:41,440
Speaker 3: uh it was a lot they like they was kissing everywhere,

3354
03:02:41,920 --> 03:02:45,760
Speaker 3: like that's I guess. And she's a model, so I guess, uh,

3355
03:02:46,320 --> 03:02:47,960
Speaker 3: you know, maybe that was part of it.

3356
03:02:49,560 --> 03:02:51,720
Speaker 4: My stance is too hard on that all fashion whatever,

3357
03:02:51,840 --> 03:02:53,199
Speaker 4: But nope, nope, no, ma'am.

3358
03:02:54,040 --> 03:02:56,320
Speaker 3: While not unexpected, the couple always seem to be shared

3359
03:02:56,560 --> 03:02:59,720
Speaker 3: a loving wavelength. Is they packed in the PDA seemingly

3360
03:02:59,760 --> 03:03:02,080
Speaker 3: every where they went. Snyder even confronted their relationship with

3361
03:03:02,120 --> 03:03:04,680
Speaker 3: a saucy snap of Jayden grabbing her behind in the

3362
03:03:04,720 --> 03:03:08,880
Speaker 3: black and white Instagram post. The caption she catching the

3363
03:03:08,920 --> 03:03:14,400
Speaker 3: photo with a very brief lit oh, him grabbing her

3364
03:03:14,440 --> 03:03:16,959
Speaker 3: booty and she wearing like, okay.

3365
03:03:17,120 --> 03:03:21,280
Speaker 4: So holding hands, holding hands? All right?

3366
03:03:22,280 --> 03:03:25,360
Speaker 3: All right? You were at full black on on this,

3367
03:03:25,520 --> 03:03:30,520
Speaker 3: So what's happening? I get fast ass girl, like, what

3368
03:03:30,720 --> 03:03:31,440
Speaker 3: is happening right now?

3369
03:03:32,400 --> 03:03:35,560
Speaker 4: Just for the fact that I won't the standard to

3370
03:03:35,600 --> 03:03:37,640
Speaker 4: be the same for males and females, because I know

3371
03:03:37,720 --> 03:03:39,280
Speaker 4: if this was a female and.

3372
03:03:39,360 --> 03:03:44,680
Speaker 3: This dude, I mean, society would not be necessarily comfortable.

3373
03:03:44,800 --> 03:03:49,120
Speaker 3: Calie definitely got a pass. Calie and Tiger people let

3374
03:03:49,200 --> 03:03:51,080
Speaker 3: that shit. Lie. I was the whole time, I was like,

3375
03:03:51,200 --> 03:03:54,160
Speaker 3: I didn't know people were okay with this, and I

3376
03:03:54,240 --> 03:03:58,160
Speaker 3: thought that age different was bigger, and somehow somehow people

3377
03:03:58,200 --> 03:03:59,600
Speaker 3: were like, it's I mean, he can be on the

3378
03:03:59,640 --> 03:04:02,960
Speaker 3: TV show, they can be in all the blogs together,

3379
03:04:03,240 --> 03:04:07,560
Speaker 3: and that ship was at no point that people go, uh,

3380
03:04:08,160 --> 03:04:11,240
Speaker 3: did this ship seems illegal? Or when they did nothing

3381
03:04:11,320 --> 03:04:12,320
Speaker 3: happen said.

3382
03:04:12,160 --> 03:04:14,119
Speaker 4: I'm just an old artist party because I don't give

3383
03:04:14,120 --> 03:04:16,280
Speaker 4: a fuck. My stance is the same across the board. No,

3384
03:04:17,560 --> 03:04:20,400
Speaker 4: all right, no, you're grown, Leave these children alone.

3385
03:04:22,560 --> 03:04:26,080
Speaker 3: Go ahead. I'm sorry, I don't care. Let's just I'm

3386
03:04:26,120 --> 03:04:26,840
Speaker 3: just I'm done now.

3387
03:04:27,000 --> 03:04:28,920
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, baby.

3388
03:04:28,959 --> 03:04:30,800
Speaker 3: Oh I want I mean, like the point of this

3389
03:04:30,959 --> 03:04:33,240
Speaker 3: news is, the point of this news is to be.

3390
03:04:37,560 --> 03:04:39,480
Speaker 4: It got a hundred, even though it wouldn't meant to

3391
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Speaker 4: be putting nobody's category around. I'm sorry.

3392
03:04:41,959 --> 03:04:45,600
Speaker 3: All right, all right, well.

3393
03:04:47,680 --> 03:04:50,000
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, And you know what, and maybe

3394
03:04:50,120 --> 03:04:53,120
Speaker 4: just me, but I feel like, you know, once you

3395
03:04:53,280 --> 03:04:56,840
Speaker 4: get maybe a year or two, but once you get

3396
03:04:56,879 --> 03:04:59,360
Speaker 4: like three and four, I feel like that's a large

3397
03:04:59,400 --> 03:05:02,440
Speaker 4: difference purity, age and maturity there in my mind. So

3398
03:05:02,560 --> 03:05:04,959
Speaker 4: maybe that's just me. I'm sorry. Yeah, I didn't mean

3399
03:05:05,080 --> 03:05:07,680
Speaker 4: trying to write people news to fucking with caring.

3400
03:05:07,879 --> 03:05:09,640
Speaker 3: No, I mean, if that's too big, I mean, it's

3401
03:05:09,640 --> 03:05:12,160
Speaker 3: your opinion. If it's too big a the age difference.

3402
03:05:12,160 --> 03:05:14,440
Speaker 3: I think it's really up to the parents and that

3403
03:05:14,480 --> 03:05:18,279
Speaker 3: people in those kids' lives. I mean, if the Wills,

3404
03:05:18,400 --> 03:05:22,800
Speaker 3: if the Smith's are okay with their son dating somebody

3405
03:05:22,800 --> 03:05:24,640
Speaker 3: that's three years older than them. I don't think that's

3406
03:05:24,680 --> 03:05:29,080
Speaker 3: that the end of the world is not illegal. I

3407
03:05:29,160 --> 03:05:32,000
Speaker 3: don't know. I think people should try to have healthy relationships.

3408
03:05:32,120 --> 03:05:34,920
Speaker 3: I think at that age, a couple of years difference

3409
03:05:35,120 --> 03:05:41,120
Speaker 3: makes a huge difference in people's lives. But it's not illegal.

3410
03:05:41,240 --> 03:05:44,320
Speaker 3: And individually, you have to judge for your own children,

3411
03:05:44,480 --> 03:05:50,160
Speaker 3: for yourself. So I mean, if they were together five

3412
03:05:50,280 --> 03:05:52,440
Speaker 3: years from now and they were fucking three years apart,

3413
03:05:52,480 --> 03:05:54,720
Speaker 3: it wouldn't you know, it wouldn't make anybody the difference

3414
03:05:54,800 --> 03:05:57,360
Speaker 3: that you know, he was twenty four and she was

3415
03:05:57,400 --> 03:06:01,400
Speaker 3: twenty seven or something. But at sixteen seventeen, eighteen is

3416
03:06:01,520 --> 03:06:05,840
Speaker 3: just it's such a changing time for people, and you know,

3417
03:06:06,240 --> 03:06:08,400
Speaker 3: you're worried that someone might get taken advantage of or

3418
03:06:08,400 --> 03:06:09,000
Speaker 3: something like that.

3419
03:06:09,280 --> 03:06:12,040
Speaker 4: Right, And I think that's from my perspective and where

3420
03:06:12,040 --> 03:06:13,600
Speaker 4: I'm coming from. I know a lot of people go

3421
03:06:13,680 --> 03:06:17,520
Speaker 4: well in maturity level. It is a huge difference.

3422
03:06:17,640 --> 03:06:19,720
Speaker 3: I mean, those are his parents, and they they involved

3423
03:06:19,760 --> 03:06:20,200
Speaker 3: in his life.

3424
03:06:20,240 --> 03:06:22,760
Speaker 4: I don't think this is some like I said, they

3425
03:06:22,800 --> 03:06:24,880
Speaker 4: are fine with it. Yeah, that's cool, But I know

3426
03:06:25,000 --> 03:06:26,440
Speaker 4: me personally, I have a problem.

3427
03:06:26,640 --> 03:06:28,560
Speaker 3: So you'd be like, you can't date her if it

3428
03:06:28,680 --> 03:06:29,199
Speaker 3: was your son.

3429
03:06:30,800 --> 03:06:31,760
Speaker 4: Goddamn nope.

3430
03:06:32,480 --> 03:06:33,600
Speaker 3: Okay, nope, and.

3431
03:06:33,680 --> 03:06:37,920
Speaker 4: The same things my daughter Nope. All right, that's why

3432
03:06:37,920 --> 03:06:41,640
Speaker 4: I ain't got no kids, no problem, because, like I said,

3433
03:06:41,760 --> 03:06:44,359
Speaker 4: it's to me at the age, the age and maturity

3434
03:06:44,520 --> 03:06:46,920
Speaker 4: is a wide one. And I know it ain't nothing

3435
03:06:46,959 --> 03:06:49,360
Speaker 4: but a few years. But think between what the fuck

3436
03:06:49,360 --> 03:06:51,400
Speaker 4: you were doing at sixteen and what you were doing

3437
03:06:51,440 --> 03:06:55,680
Speaker 4: at age seventeen eighteen nineteen, you've you've lived different experience.

3438
03:06:55,760 --> 03:06:57,720
Speaker 4: Like it's completely different in my mind.

3439
03:06:58,360 --> 03:07:00,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I, like I said, I can't speak. I

3440
03:07:00,200 --> 03:07:02,760
Speaker 3: think it really goes to the individual kid. I just

3441
03:07:02,840 --> 03:07:06,800
Speaker 3: don't think it's a bride sweeping thing. You know, you're

3442
03:07:06,959 --> 03:07:09,720
Speaker 3: there's different maturity levels. You might your sixteen year old

3443
03:07:09,800 --> 03:07:12,480
Speaker 3: might be able to handle some shit that my sixteen

3444
03:07:12,560 --> 03:07:14,960
Speaker 3: year old playing with Transformer ass would not, you know,

3445
03:07:15,920 --> 03:07:19,200
Speaker 3: to be honest, So I mean, you turned me out

3446
03:07:19,240 --> 03:07:22,800
Speaker 3: of sixteen and it worked out, So I know, I

3447
03:07:23,000 --> 03:07:25,280
Speaker 3: know I saw this judgment coming out all of a sudden, but.

3448
03:07:28,720 --> 03:07:29,240
Speaker 4: Completely.

3449
03:07:29,959 --> 03:07:33,800
Speaker 3: I'm just saying anyway, I ain't like I was eighteen,

3450
03:07:54,040 --> 03:07:56,120
Speaker 3: and that's why you stay away from my sixteen year

3451
03:07:56,160 --> 03:07:56,840
Speaker 3: old son.

3452
03:07:57,120 --> 03:07:59,520
Speaker 4: Or my sixteen year old daughter. Hey, I'm letting you know,

3453
03:08:00,120 --> 03:08:02,520
Speaker 4: no buyas it is equal opportunity.

3454
03:08:03,560 --> 03:08:07,840
Speaker 3: Police investigating the death in the northeast Kansas City fire

3455
03:08:07,920 --> 03:08:12,560
Speaker 3: are confronted by a man with a sword. They wow,

3456
03:08:12,800 --> 03:08:13,600
Speaker 3: you don't expect that.

3457
03:08:15,200 --> 03:08:15,320
Speaker 4: Was it?

3458
03:08:15,520 --> 03:08:19,760
Speaker 3: Like she's the one a daredevil burn that ship down

3459
03:08:19,800 --> 03:08:22,280
Speaker 3: and Ninjas was there. Police are investigating the death of

3460
03:08:22,320 --> 03:08:24,320
Speaker 3: a person whose body was found outside of burning building

3461
03:08:24,360 --> 03:08:27,000
Speaker 3: on Wednesday. While police were investigating to death, a man

3462
03:08:27,080 --> 03:08:30,400
Speaker 3: confronted officers with a large sword or a machete. Officers

3463
03:08:30,440 --> 03:08:32,000
Speaker 3: were able to calm the man down. He's taking the

3464
03:08:32,040 --> 03:08:35,440
Speaker 3: police station for questioning. Firefighters found the dead body in

3465
03:08:35,480 --> 03:08:38,040
Speaker 3: the burning shed or garage behind a ten two story

3466
03:08:38,080 --> 03:08:41,520
Speaker 3: building near ninth and Van Brunt Athletic Fields. It may

3467
03:08:41,640 --> 03:08:44,279
Speaker 3: take some time to identify the body as male or female.

3468
03:08:44,720 --> 03:08:47,720
Speaker 3: A dog that burned in the fire also was found

3469
03:08:47,760 --> 03:08:51,040
Speaker 3: dead at this time of the incident. It's a death investigation.

3470
03:08:51,959 --> 03:08:56,280
Speaker 3: Damn the dog and the damn shame they did that dog.

3471
03:08:57,720 --> 03:08:59,680
Speaker 3: All right, we'll be back tomorrow, guys. Thank you so

3472
03:08:59,800 --> 03:09:05,400
Speaker 3: much for listening. We appreciate y'all. Until then, Also, four

3473
03:09:05,440 --> 03:09:09,200
Speaker 3: o'clock today, having a nerd off. It's gonna be me

3474
03:09:10,000 --> 03:09:15,320
Speaker 3: Karen the Jayliery and Amber Pee from black Sextageek you mental.

3475
03:09:15,160 --> 03:09:17,280
Speaker 4: So gotta be fun. We'll be doing a live show

3476
03:09:17,400 --> 03:09:19,320
Speaker 4: for those of you that our premium look look for

3477
03:09:19,600 --> 03:09:20,119
Speaker 4: the email.

3478
03:09:20,400 --> 03:09:22,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I already sent it out, so it should be

3479
03:09:22,360 --> 03:09:25,240
Speaker 3: out there, and uh, who knows, I might just share

3480
03:09:25,240 --> 03:09:27,760
Speaker 3: it on social media with everybody. So follow us on

3481
03:09:27,800 --> 03:09:31,720
Speaker 3: Twitter and Facebook and maybe you'll get invited to hang

3482
03:09:31,760 --> 03:09:34,880
Speaker 3: out and watch the ladies talk about nerds stuff. All right, guys,

3483
03:09:34,920 --> 03:09:36,560
Speaker 3: We'll talked to y'all later. Until then, I love you.

3484
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