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Speaker 1: Who's that knocking at the door.

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Speaker 2: It's all your friends, you filthy whorse. Your husband's gone

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Speaker 2: and we've got books and a bottle of wine to kill.

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Speaker 2: It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir.

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Speaker 2: It's martinis.

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Speaker 3: Celebrity book Club.

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Speaker 2: Come read it while it's hot. Celebrity book Club. I'll

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Speaker 2: tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books. No, boys

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Speaker 2: are a loud celet book.

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Speaker 3: Say it loud and poud.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity book Club.

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Speaker 3: Buzz me in. I brought the queer vow.

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Speaker 4: Hey back friend, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I'm so good. I've been working so much. I'm

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Speaker 2: so busy as a professional mother, writer, daughter, vacationer. So

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Speaker 2: as you can imagine, everything's just crazy these days. We

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Speaker 2: have seven people staying in our nine bedrooms.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, do the of her end?

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Speaker 2: They literally don't. It's a revolving door around here, and

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Speaker 2: of course you know we love it. We are doing.

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Speaker 4: No, it's so amazing to have guests and to open

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Speaker 4: your doors and gather to family, especially on Shabbat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's another one of those insane shabbots. But I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have it any other way.

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Speaker 4: It's just so funny how it's holidays right, then it's

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Speaker 4: you know, sprain, we're working, it's madness and shows are

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Speaker 4: going up and books are getting made, and then all

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Speaker 4: of wet feet and sand and towels and taking towels

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Speaker 4: off wood and yelling at your children, but having the

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Speaker 4: best time with your children, making potatoes, salad, washing dill.

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Speaker 2: I have to enjoy it now, because go so fast.

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Speaker 2: How is your brood?

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much for asking. My brood is good.

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Speaker 4: I actually plan to spend some more quality time with

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Speaker 4: them over the weekend. I've been kind of holed up

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Speaker 4: in the past few d because when I write, I say, don't.

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Speaker 2: Talk to me, which is so fair?

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Speaker 3: Is that fine?

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Speaker 2: Is that fair?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: It is because what you're doing is so difficult. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you move mountains, that's what you do.

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Speaker 3: That's so sweet of you to say.

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Speaker 4: I'm just so impressed by you, because it seems like

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Speaker 4: the end of the day. I wish I could be

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Speaker 4: half the father that you are as a mother.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's no handbook on this. There just isn't.

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Speaker 2: If there were, Oh, I would be first in line

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Speaker 2: at my local bookstore, Mitchell's Book Corner, which of course

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Speaker 2: I support, over those big box stores.

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Speaker 3: Come on, Oh yeah.

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Speaker 4: When my best selling books come out, I try to say,

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Speaker 4: go to green Light. That's in Brooklyn. That's a few

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Speaker 4: stops away from me. I don't know if you know this.

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Speaker 4: I live in denmost part.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that just sounds so idyllic. I wish

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Speaker 2: I could. Unfortunately, because of the nature of my work,

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Speaker 2: I have to travel alone.

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Speaker 3: Well to host you and we could go for a walk.

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Speaker 2: But sounds beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Who are we in this little skit? You may be wondering,

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Speaker 4: what is this? Improv A man, a woman, a director,

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Speaker 4: or a writer. Didn't miss travel judaism today is it's

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Speaker 4: not a book, but it could be published as a zine.

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Speaker 2: It should be. I mean it was published in a

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Speaker 2: will right, a magazine known as Tea.

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Speaker 3: Formerly known as Tea Magazine.

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Speaker 2: We are doing someone that we've done before. I guess

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Speaker 2: this is kind of a first one celebrity book club history.

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Speaker 2: We've never repeated a celebrity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, make the rules to break the rules.

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Speaker 2: But it's not like we've read this person's memoir.

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Speaker 4: No, so we read her children's book. And it's not

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Speaker 4: even like her children's book wasn't original.

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Speaker 2: No, her feminist adaptation of like three little pigs were

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like in stem. So it's almost like

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Speaker 4: we've never even done her. And again, this is not

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Speaker 4: her memoir, but it kind of is. And I guess

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Speaker 4: let's just say it. We are doing. Say it with me.

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Speaker 5: The emails between Natalie and John J. Saurin friend, Oh,

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Speaker 5: one of the great American novelists.

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Speaker 2: I remember you saying that in our original trailer for

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Speaker 2: Somebody Book Club. You say Jonathan Saffron for you bring

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Speaker 2: him up because obviously it's like a hero of Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: As you know, I don't read, so I haven't read

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Speaker 2: any of the great American novels.

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Speaker 3: You don't read like general fiction, pop fiction.

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Speaker 2: And I don't read any of the like you know,

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Speaker 4: People are always like it's pension, Mary Ellen Carr, Alice monro.

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Speaker 3: Let's just try to name writers for forty five minutes.

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Speaker 2: It's literally tried to be literate, even remotely. The point

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Speaker 2: is we do not read I have never read Jonathan

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Speaker 2: staff and four. But I'm now remembering, like seeing people

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Speaker 3: Like the other campers, or like in your cit.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they were CITs, but I'm the fact that I

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Speaker 4: I think he is below pension, but I think he

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Speaker 4: is your classic like Ben Siller would play him in

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Speaker 4: a drama about kind of a depressed male writer in

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Speaker 4: his forties.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and as we see in what we're calling the

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Speaker 2: email the emails, Yeah, you'll sy writer. I do feel

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Speaker 2: like these emails are the most like nyt like lib Tardia,

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Speaker 2: emails between Thatlly four minutes, John's having four like it's

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Speaker 2: alternate side parking. It's about going to your like vacation

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Speaker 2: about Israel. It's about art and politics, but like sane

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Speaker 4: It's about like being conflicted about Israel, but not that conflicted. No,

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Speaker 4: Saffron Fower does live in my name. I learned super

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Speaker 4: recently indpmos. Yeah, and I found out because there's a

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Speaker 3: And he lives next to that house, and he.

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Speaker 4: Puts out a chalkboard outside of his house and puts

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Speaker 4: a new poem in the chalkboard every single week maybe

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Speaker 2: That seems successive.

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Speaker 4: I mean I don't want buy it daily, so I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure if it's daily, weekler, monthly, But there's new posts.

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Speaker 2: So that's his contribution to the communal sort of discourse

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Speaker 4: And I feel like it's very this move of like

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Speaker 4: I'm not the tacky house that does the crazy Halloween decorations.

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Speaker 3: I do a poem.

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Speaker 2: I'm the writer. I'll contribute to the discourse more literally

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Speaker 4: So these emails are they were made to promote a

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Speaker 4: movie Natalie Portman.

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Speaker 2: Was directing called A Tale of Love and Darkness that

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Speaker 2: takes place in Israel, just like right after World War Two,

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Speaker 2: Because I do feel like it's so actress to just

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Speaker 4: Looking at the camera with Malala in a headscarf. Kind

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Speaker 4: of a petrified but also like brave love.

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Speaker 2: It's so petrified by brave.

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Speaker 4: Of course, Natalie Portman, I would say she's number one

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Speaker 3: It's a fetish for her.

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Speaker 2: Right well, no, she's got the brood. I mean she's

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Speaker 4: Where Natalie Portman is just like I am married, I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm having bio kids with my French husband who recently

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Speaker 3: Benjamin millipit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And these emails became famous not because just like

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Speaker 3: He was falling in love with Natalie.

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Speaker 4: He took these emails as a sign that she was

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Speaker 3: So these emails became even more for us. So I thought,

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Speaker 2: Not you dropping that tea on this pot as you know,

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Speaker 3: I love that for you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, That's why I kind of knew about these emails,

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Speaker 4: is that, like he literally left his wife fully divorced

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Speaker 3: He was like, I thought this meant like we were

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Speaker 2: After the article came out, or after I think after

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Speaker 2: the premise of the article is that they've been emailing

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Speaker 2: for years, right, and they have this email correspondence, and

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Speaker 2: then they were just like The Times asked them to

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Speaker 2: like start recording their emails although emails are already recorded

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Speaker 2: to sort of email even more performatively to each other

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Speaker 2: for the sake of this article and the promotion. So

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Speaker 2: it's like their emails of the course of a month basically.

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Speaker 4: And he's really sad because gen next stuff, he lost

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Speaker 4: their like hotmail correspondence because he moved emails from hotmail

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which he references a lot. And it keeps just

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Speaker 2: that I could break into this nineteen twenty safe of

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Speaker 4: civil war error letters, not just like a tech malfunction.

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Speaker 2: And you know, when you look back through emails sometimes

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Speaker 3: No, I was thinking so much.

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Speaker 4: I was like, I don't have that relationship with anyone.

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Speaker 4: I bet my mom has more because I have like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's still more of like a travelogue, you know,

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Speaker 1: How do you think about freedom? When do you most

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Speaker 2: There's this other trope, I think, referencing something that's happening

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Speaker 2: that I think is always so insane, where people are

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Speaker 3: True.

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Speaker 4: But I do kind of love when people do speak

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's fun to let an older

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Speaker 2: I'm good, just send the email because you're just lying,

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Speaker 2: I could have responded earlier, you could have responded later.

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Speaker 4: Well, and that's I think though the pressure of the deadline,

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Speaker 4: And just the way the different styles. Also you can

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And this is what I mean by they're referencing the.

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Speaker 3: You've got mail. There's also when Harry met Sally.

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Speaker 2: You're telling us like when a man and a woman email, a.

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Speaker 4: Man and a woman are sending long emails, but politics, religion,

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Speaker 2: No, they simply can't. She goes on Thursday May twenty six,

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Speaker 2: Do you know what movie she was shooting?

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Speaker 2: She mentioned she was shooting with Gina Rodriguez and Tessa

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like when things leave my realm.

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Speaker 4: And she also is just being so Hollywood roundtable, big

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Speaker 2: No, she's so glasses. She's so actress self consciously and

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Speaker 2: it's coshon dand which translates to pig from India. Who's right, Like,

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Speaker 2: it's the most you've got me all thing to just

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Speaker 4: Right, and she's like talking about kind of the yearning

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Speaker 2: She's very two state solution, which of course you don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're always saying Rafat for all of this flaws.

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Speaker 2: But I also think that like we it all get

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Speaker 3: That's what I thought her position was.

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Speaker 4: And I will just weirdly out say I am super

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be honest here, like I kind of

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Speaker 2: Right, but you haven't really sat down and thought about

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know what people say, like, oh, I want

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Speaker 2: This is so funny? I want this to happen so badly.

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Speaker 4: Maybe on a hot one of those hot July days

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Speaker 2: And reach out to stakeholders across the globe about the

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Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, I do feel

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Speaker 4: I don't totally have a solution, but like, can't Palestinians

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Speaker 3: It's kind of how I feel she feels, yeah.

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Speaker 4: But then I do want to bring up her kind

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Speaker 3: I feel like she is letting Jonathan Saffron in.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's why they are being like, yes,

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Speaker 4: I feel like she'll be going like a long thing

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he's more kind of like classic, more

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I really was just a convision that where like

442
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Speaker 4: people are downstairs and there's probably like a lake, and

443
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 4: like he is taking his kids out and then everyone's like,

444
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 4: where's Jonathan And he's in just like a heatherd Rolling

445
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 4: Stones t shirt up in that bathroom, emailing her, this.

446
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,280
Speaker 2: Is the clock ticked over to twelve. It's twelve twenty

447
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 2: one am. It's like, also, you're writing her because when

448
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 2: she writes at three am, that's why I'm New York Times,

449
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,399
Speaker 2: it's actually like or no, it's because she's getting up

450
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 2: to shoot at four or something. So it's kind of like,

451
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 2: that's a excuse. The clock recently took it over to twelve.

452
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 2: From Thursday to Friday, it's been unseasonably warm, lower nineties.

453
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 2: The calendar is taking over to summer. We're driving a

454
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 2: blue roo Summit, Pennsylvania later today to spend Memorial Weekend

455
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 2: with my brother and their families. It's a wonderful place.

456
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 2: It's literally a census designated place rather than a city,

457
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 2: town or village, where my sister and less family's been

458
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 2: going for decades. That part is also so Wikipedia, and

459
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 2: is again so writing, because as someone who's often procrastted,

460
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 2: not to you, it's just so writer to be like,

461
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 2: isn't this fascinating that there's a territory in eastern Cyprus

462
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 2: that's technically part of no country because of a seventeen

463
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: forty three Turkish law, And you're just kind of like that,

464
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 2: it's just very like you should be writing, but you're

465
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 2: finding random facts on Wikipedia to be so excited about

466
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 2: the idea of a sense this designated place.

467
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 4: And also trying to like romanticize a place that may

468
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 4: depress your like bored of Yeah.

469
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 2: Wait, so is this the part where you think he's

470
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 2: like in the bathroom, like jockeying off on his iPod,

471
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: riding email.

472
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 4: Bracking off in like a woody bathroom, emailing.

473
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: Her you go hello from Blue Bridge Summit. All the

474
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 2: cousins slept in the same room last night. I saw

475
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 2: I came up into my room not long ago, grumpier

476
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: than ed Asner and up pomoaning how everyone else was

477
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 2: awake and for all he knew, they'd been watching cartoons

478
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 2: and he need dessert for hours, and then he just

479
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: like transitions that into talking about like youth. But yeah,

480
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 2: so it's like it's seven thirty and he's awake and

481
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 2: he's like, Oh, I wish I could have slept for longer. Yeah,

482
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: I wish I could have treampt about you.

483
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: Now dreamt about you.

484
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: But I'm next to my.

485
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 4: Wife, and this is where I think Natalie here is

486
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 4: like trying, but it's almost kind of like egging him on,

487
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 4: but also like cucking him, being like, I'm telling you

488
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 4: a hilarious story about my husband. We saw James Blake

489
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 4: sing Saturday night, extreme levels of one. Before the concert,

490
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 4: we ate a meal at a restaurant that was pretty insane.

491
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 4: It's called the Clove Club. Next time you come to London,

492
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 4: eat there. Ben made me laugh a lot comparing his

493
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 4: main course parentheses an aged roasted duck stuffed with hay

494
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 4: to mine asparagus in papao, which came out looking like

495
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 4: a cardboard because it was served in brown paper, just

496
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 4: like we had the most ridiculous gastronomique.

497
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, how hell hilarious was his joke about

498
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: your hay stuffed duck.

499
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 4: Or like the five thousand dollar foam dinner. He's so

500
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 4: funny and Jonathan saffron foer. I feel like, would never

501
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 4: go like he wishes he could make fun of a

502
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 4: foam meal.

503
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: Do you think he's like two adbusters to like go

504
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: to a tasty menu.

505
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 3: I think he's vinegar Hill.

506
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's not that adbuster.

507
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 4: No, he's like fancy farmed table restaurant where he's like

508
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 4: absolutely getting like a brick chicken brickshure pork chop.

509
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: But would be like, but he would be uncomfortable with

510
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 2: foam because he isn't a global affairs major exact. Okay, wait,

511
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: so I found a copy of the current tasting menu

512
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: from Clove Club, but we have to go Okay, I'm

513
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: just gonna read it.

514
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, just read the menu.

515
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: Okay. Smoked wiltchair trout with almond milk and watercrest almen milk.

516
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 3: Almond milk needs to go like she's been over for

517
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: so long.

518
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: She's so done.

519
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 3: Milk is like worse than beat for something.

520
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the water waste. Yes, it costs like

521
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, an Olympic sized swimming pool to grow

522
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: one almond or something worth a fresh water that will

523
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 2: never get back. That's completely insane to dowse a trot

524
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: with almond milk raw or can he scullop, hazelnut, clementine

525
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 2: and ruffle.

526
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 3: Clementine and truffle, I'm not actually mantic.

527
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: Clementine and truffle together that could be interesting now because

528
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 2: the citrus, I think with the sky and the mummy, hazelwood,

529
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: grilled pollock, superior sauce and white asparagus. Okay, simmer don't

530
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: know what the sauces wild garlic pasta that's very now

531
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: with green asparagus, welks and clams. What is welts like?

532
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: Calm down? I feel like it's another like mollusk. It's

533
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: very like seashell snailshell when you see it. Okay, So

534
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: now this kind veal sweetbread baked in hay. Okay, the

535
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: hay is bad.

536
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 4: He remains veal sweetbreads I feel like are getting a

537
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 4: big comeback.

538
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: I feel like people are less freaked out by sweet

539
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: birds than they and like that's been basically I think

540
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 2: a linear acceptance of sweetbreads over the past like fifteen years.

541
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 3: Because sweetbreads had a big thing in twenty ten.

542
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: Yes, and then I think like there's like a more

543
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: of a blip where I was like, oh, okay, sweetbreads.

544
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 2: But then they've just sort of slowly been like becoming

545
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: indoctrinated is like a normal thing. Now it's kind of like, yeah.

546
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 4: They're there, And I think people would rather have veal

547
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 4: sweetbreads than they would just like veel. If someone's like, oh,

548
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 4: I'm evil if I'm eating just veal, but veel sweetbreads

549
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 4: feel little odds and ends.

550
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 3: So the acceptance in the calf of.

551
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: It all that is so so true. It feels a

552
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: lot more morally righteous to have the odds and ends

553
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 2: of the calf rather than like, I killed this baby

554
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: calf just for it.

555
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 3: To me, it's breast for its leg.

556
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, I'm just helping the kitchen by having

557
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 4: the sweet.

558
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: Right now exactly, some other evil billionaire killed this poor

559
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: baby cow. I'm just having the odds and ends.

560
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 3: For thirty nine.

561
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: Okay. Then it's dry aged aylesbury jack with stuffed morales.

562
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: And then it's grilled hop and narrow. Could I need

563
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: that for dessert with sheep s milk yogurt. Then there's

564
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: low quat sorbet, which no idea what that is.

565
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure some like little tiny fruit.

566
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: It's some tiny fruit that only grows on Malta, the

567
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: almonok on trout. I'm canceling Clobe Club for that alone.

568
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: But other than that, it sounds pretty good.

569
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 3: Other than that, I mean, Sam, I'm sure we would

570
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: fox with it.

571
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: We doth fox with the clothes.

572
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 4: And I love how they move. They're like, we're keeping

573
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 4: the duck. We're just moving the hay around. By the way,

574
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 4: her only so actress. Her husband is like getting duck

575
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: like a full meal and she's just having a sparacos.

576
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 2: You don't think they did the tape. They must have

577
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: done the tasting.

578
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 3: Oh his main course to mine.

579
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she's tiny.

580
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 3: She's small.

581
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: If you see Annihilation, you could tell that she wasn't

582
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: gorging herself on duck every night. Okay, So the reason

583
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: she says that is because he asks her for a wonderline,

584
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: which is this game that he plays with his children

585
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 2: around their dit Miss kitchen table. For the last half year,

586
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 2: we have played a game at dinner called the wonderline.

587
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: If one of the kids can tell me something that

588
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: generates the experience of wonder, the cocked head slight nod,

589
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: raised eyebrow and muttered, hm. We call it clearing the wonderline.

590
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: If they can clear it five times, they get to

591
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: decide how he end the night, I e. Have ice

592
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: cream or watch a Pirate of the Caribbean iteration. And

593
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 2: so then she like lists that along with having this

594
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: like amazing moment with the actresses and Annihilation where they

595
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 2: all just like get each other, and then also going

596
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 2: to the James Blake concert.

597
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 4: I love that She's like, oh, okay, my turn for

598
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 4: wonder is just like five course meal, hanging out with

599
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 4: Tessa Thompson and James Blake.

600
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: And then her son seeing a rabbit and then she

601
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: goes children, animals, music, food, artistic camaraderie. That's five Now

602
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: do I get an ice cream? Happy Thursday? Like, I'm sorry, honey,

603
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: she knows exactly what she's doing.

604
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 4: Oh so, he's kind of saying like, I actually am

605
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 4: a father who like sits around and discusses religion and

606
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 4: wonder of my children like brag like I do.

607
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: I'm so nauseating about the mandatory like wonderling convo at dinner.

608
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: It's no I know.

609
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: I was like, that sounds so depressing for you and

610
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: the children.

611
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: It really does.

612
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 4: And it's like you're making you're making your children annoying

613
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 4: being so like, father taught me what wonder is. And

614
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 4: then he's also like you dismissing their wonder. He's like,

615
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 4: I didn't find it like a wonder when my son

616
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 4: saw something.

617
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 3: Yes, but he did.

618
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 4: And it's like okay, So you're actually like kind of

619
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 4: like roasting your children. You're like, oh, they're so childish,

620
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 4: and I'm so dead in the eyes, like cool for you,

621
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 4: you found wonder?

622
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: Well, no, I agree. I think like kids have wonder naturally.

623
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: That's the whole beauty of childhood. That's why we spend

624
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: our entire lives desperately trying to reclaim that innocent's intensive

625
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: adventure and freedom. We felt it's children because we didn't

626
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: know we felt it because we were fucking children without

627
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: this sort of self consciousness that adults have. And it's

628
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: like trying to hold your child to an adult standard

629
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: of wonder and be like, can you make me wonder?

630
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: It's like, no, let them be kids. Let them get

631
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: excited about seeing a rabbit running around. Let them get

632
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: excited about the sound the fire truck makes, you know,

633
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: and like, let them have that unadulterated and uncurated and

634
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: unlike analyzed.

635
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the whole like New Yorker way of being like, oh,

636
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 4: what happened to wonder and then like prizing them with

637
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 4: obviously he's been like Pirates of the Caribbean a roll,

638
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 4: and now you've made them potential, So good job.

639
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: And you've also set up this very insanely pretentious like

640
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: cultural dichotomy where that's like you can only consume mainstream

641
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: fodder like Pirates of the Caribbean if you can like

642
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: successfully like enumerate some sort of like pretentious.

643
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 3: Intellectual wonder that happened to you.

644
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: For your father who's such a writer and is staring

645
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: at his window like the garbage trucks and then writing

646
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: about it because he's elevating the mundane, because that's what

647
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: writers do.

648
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 4: So after Natalie Portman rejected him, he then dated Michelle.

649
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: Williams, another like fragile.

650
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 4: Fragile of stress, who is more Brooklyn, and her whole

651
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: thing for so long was like, look, Michelle Williams is

652
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 4: walking in Brooklyn Heights, She's so Brooklyn.

653
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: Dating Michelle Williams after Natalie Verman rejects you is like

654
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: going to new school after you didn't get into n YU.

655
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: Try not to spit out my water.

656
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: Wow, Like I'm sorry, honey, but it's true. It's like

657
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: now apartment one of the most brilliant actresses of her generation, powerful, strong,

658
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: and yet vulnerable, whereas like Michelle Williams, it's just like

659
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: you don't really see like vulnerability through like and strength,

660
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: Like in a dialogue in her performance.

661
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 4: You're saying, Michelle Williams, I feel like there is so

662
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 4: much vulnerable, but she is a little more. I only

663
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 4: show pain, Whereas I think why you love Natalie Portmant

664
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 4: is because she is so annihilation and like warrior and

665
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: closer in Black Swan, and she's like always has fire

666
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 4: in her eyes, and Michelle Williams is always on the

667
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 4: virtue of crying.

668
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like gout to wrap it up. I don't

669
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: hate Michel Williams, but you know, I really just like

670
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: Carrie Mulligan.

671
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: Oh yes, Carrie Mulligan is Marymount College. If Natalie Portman

672
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 4: is ed YU and Michelle Williams is in New School,

673
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 4: I mean, like.

674
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: Carry is absolutely very I'm always like.

675
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: I'm always just like what Carrie Mulligan, like, why are

676
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 3: you around?

677
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: Like Michelle Williams is busy, like or she was just

678
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: feeling like too sad about heath to like do a

679
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: movie or whatever. And they're like, I guess.

680
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 4: What Michell Williams is like out there crying hard?

681
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: You know? Okay, wait, let me ask you this has

682
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: anything cleared your wonderline lately?

683
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 4: Well, yes, yesterday I had one of the most amazing

684
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 4: moments of my life. I was not a brag. I

685
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 4: pulled over so I could post on Instagram.

686
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: Thank you for not posting while driving.

687
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 4: Pulled over on Grahamab and I was like to post

688
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 4: our little New York Times mention excuse me. And I

689
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 4: looked to my left and I see TikTok Star Italian

690
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 4: American icon Lil Mo Mozzarella sitting and I get out

691
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 4: of my car and I walk across.

692
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, what am I going to say? Obviously I'm

693
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: so awkward.

694
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 4: I go into the sandwich shop that he's waiting outside

695
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 4: of fake look at T shirts and drinks, come back outside,

696
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 4: and then go sorry to bother you, but I'm a

697
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 4: huge fan Lo Mo. And then he instantly so influenced

698
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 4: our arts filmmate and.

699
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: Goes, hey, Mo, what do you want to do this?

700
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 4: And then he we rehearse, we redo on video what

701
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 4: I just did to him.

702
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: So he's like, do it again, do it again.

703
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 4: So I'm like, oh, hey, I'm sorry to bother you.

704
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 4: And then he turns the camera on me and I'm like,

705
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 4: what do you want to do? And he's like, this

706
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 4: guy just came up to me, like what do you

707
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 4: want to do? Groca Semolino over your head? And then

708
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, you're getting a sandwich. He's like,

709
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 4: I'm getting a sandwich named after me. Chicken caught the

710
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 4: green pepper, mozzarella, fried egg plant.

711
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: Wow.

712
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: Gave me wonder.

713
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 4: Wow.

714
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: I mean that is absolute wonder.

715
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 4: So that was beautiful, And I mean I knew he

716
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 4: like hung out by that sandwich shop.

717
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 3: I've seen him post from there, but I wasn't planning

718
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: on it.

719
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: No, And so you know, wonder is a sense of surprise.

720
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: And it's harder, obviously to find wonder now because we're

721
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: also Jada. We're so, oh, we've seen it all right,

722
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: but then here's this person that you've imbued this kind

723
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: of mythic like quality too. And then all of a

724
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: sudden he appears, as if from magic.

725
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 4: Like a mythic god. Yeah, well, let me just put

726
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 4: that back to you. Wonder when was the last time

727
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 4: you felt wonder?

728
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: Drying a blank?

729
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 3: Okay, that's fine.

730
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: These days it's so hard with my kids.

731
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, with work, and if there isn't anything, that's fine.

732
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 4: We can still watch Pirates of the Caribbean.

733
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess like not to recycle my content.

734
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: But like when I was at this random panel the

735
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: day and this lesbian was telling the story about how

736
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: like older lesbians used to bring huge shopping bags to

737
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 2: Reese and then the younger fems would stand in them.

738
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: That was like it wasn't like awe inspiring, but I

739
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: was actually quite surprised. I was like, whoa, this is

740
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 2: like something I never thought just the tactic I'd never

741
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 2: heard of before.

742
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 3: We actually haven't even talked about that, just us.

743
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 4: I know, you went on Twitter, and when I saw

744
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 4: your tweet before the video, I thought you were just

745
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 4: kind of were doing a conceptual joke. And then you

746
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 4: posted the video and I was like wait. Then I

747
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 4: felt wonder. I was like, wait, butchers were straight up

748
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 4: putting fems in bags.

749
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so then when the cops would come into

750
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: the bathroom or I guess, like maybe the changing bathroomselves.

751
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: They would only see one set of feet in the

752
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: stall because the other set of feet would be in

753
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: the back and it would go it would go above

754
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: the bottom of the door. And that's just such a

755
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: genius hack for like hooking up and fingering a fem No.

756
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 4: I mean leave it to Butcher's to also like make

757
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 4: it so police are happening. It's very packing a car, yeah,

758
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 4: you know, kind of like boxes to the left.

759
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: But it was also this weird panel on cruising that

760
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: a friend of the pod not friend of the pod,

761
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: Eric was moderating, like for diesel or something at this

762
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: like diesel.

763
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 3: Pop up for Diesel jeans.

764
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 2: It was like a Diesel jeans ex Tom of Finland

765
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: pop up that looked like it had been put together yesterday.

766
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: There was like some magazines like under Glass and like

767
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: a pair of jeans with a Tom of Finland like

768
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: spray painted on them. The whole thing was really random.

769
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 2: But at one point they were trying to like define

770
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: cruising and no one was like really doing it, and

771
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 2: then Lesbian was just like, well and at the Dyke

772
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: March tomorrow there is definitely going to be some cruising

773
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: going on. And I was kind of like, well, lesbian's

774
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: just looking at each other, isn't cruising, Like I love

775
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: this story from the past and like that definitely sounds

776
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: like sex. But cruising isn't just like oh, like I'm

777
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: seeing someone like Inverson, Like there has to be actual

778
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: solicitation of sex and then sex that happens in like

779
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: a semi public space like pretty soon after the solicitation

780
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: for that to be cruisse.

781
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 4: This is very When people got mad at me and

782
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 4: Alex were calling our speedinning event queer speed cruising that

783
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 4: we weren't respecting the past enough.

784
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 2: I mean in many ways you were, but tried.

785
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 4: I wanted sex to have it was aspirational cruising.

786
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: Did you have a dark room?

787
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 4: I mean the wind jimmers dark and there was like

788
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 4: shitty bathrooms, so.

789
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: Sure there could have been fingering. No, and I think

790
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 2: you were literally saying like this is a very where

791
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: we want people to meet so that they can fuck.

792
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 2: So like, I think that's fine to say cruising.

793
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 4: No, it was current Dyke March. That's so on fifth

794
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 4: ab at Brian Park. It's kind of like maybe something

795
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 4: did happen, but yeah, you should start emailing with that

796
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 4: older butch.

797
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 2: Right and get like more stories from the past. I

798
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean the panel was like photographers who

799
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 2: kind of took pictures of cruising spaces, so in many

800
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: ways they were not actual experts on cruising because I think,

801
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: as you know, photographers tend to be more like watchers

802
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 2: and less participated.

803
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: That's kind of the thing of photography.

804
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: You actually have to watch and like. There are a

805
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 2: lot of photographers in the gay community, but they tend

806
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: to be the ones who are just like, wait, that's

807
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: so beautiful, like kiss your boyfriend again. But they're not

808
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: so the ones always like well, but you.

809
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: Never know if you start emailing with her.

810
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: Though, I'm like, do I need to try and like

811
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: pound this wonder into the ground and like keep this dead, no.

812
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 4: Nervous I honestly now I'm being so jon and Saffron

813
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 4: forward my dit, miss table being like start an email group,

814
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 4: start a book club, like then you get some like

815
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 4: more spin drift, you know what, It's crazy.

816
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 3: I feel like this is just very dip miss. I'm

817
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: just guessing. I feel like.

818
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 4: Siltzer is probably like a treat for children in this

819
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 4: current day and age.

820
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: Well, he talks about getting a Seltzer every day, as

821
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: part of his riches tree. Do you think that like

822
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 2: little like Logan's and James's and Wilson's in dit Miss, they're.

823
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 4: Getting a laqua as a treat I think, I mean,

824
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 4: I have no data on this.

825
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: Just I think they're popping laquas like their normal water

826
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: because their parents are stalking their frames with.

827
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 4: Loqual That's also true left and right, and there's just

828
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 4: so many undrunk laquaws everywhere.

829
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't have laquaw because she has a

830
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: soda streams is not she's supporting Israeli businesses. Okay, I

831
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: just want to talk about the word ritual for a

832
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: second because he goes this whole thing, which again is

833
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: very writer of him going It's Thursday garbage day, one

834
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: of the garbage days. I should say, there's day and

835
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: Sunday our garbage days. Tuesday is garbage and recycling day.

836
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 2: Monday and Tuesday als and a side parking days, which

837
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 2: makes Tuesday parking garbage and recycling a very special day. Indeed,

838
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: it's just the most writer thing to be like. I

839
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: am chronically in the mundane. I'm watching the townspeople like

840
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: go about their lives from my little writer's turret, you know,

841
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: And I'm guilty of it too, like we all are.

842
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: But there's just something a little bit like, oh God,

843
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: stop drinking your time school.

844
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 4: Aid for Curiously, it really is like being like, and

845
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 4: I get my coffee, my little Seltzer.

846
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: We're all just cogs on the machine.

847
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: But it's also like, and we only have time to

848
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 4: think during alternate side parking. And this is why I'm saying,

849
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 4: like this is this Ben Stiller forty three year olds,

850
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 4: Like what has my life become?

851
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: Like?

852
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 4: I used to go to the East Village and read

853
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 4: it KGB, and now I just sit and buy my

854
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 4: little Seltzer and do alternate side parking. It's like missing

855
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 4: this wild pass but also just like romanticizing your current

856
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 4: hour are that you spend not at your computer.

857
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: No, that's so true, because you're pretending to miss the

858
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: pass in this way, but you're also romanticizing your current

859
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: ritual and being like, doesn't it suck that I like

860
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: have this beautiful wife and my beautiful salts are But

861
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: Natalie Responses goes, I'm mostlly lacking ritual in my life,

862
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: which is among the hardest things and best things about

863
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 2: my work. I just feel like. Specifically, the word ritual

864
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: became very popular along with the word tribe in like

865
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: brand new circles around eight years ago.

866
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 3: Your tribe like find your flock and meetings.

867
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: We'd always be like, we need to like inculcate a

868
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 2: sense of tribe with this brand so people feel sense

869
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: of belonging. And then it was like everything should be

870
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: part of ritual because ritual it has this sort of

871
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: like sacredness attached to it. It's like almost Eastern yoga

872
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: e without actually being Easter or yoga E.

873
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 4: Well, did you notice the mention of we haven't discussed

874
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 4: Buddha in these emails?

875
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: Yes, there's always this, you know, the kind of invocation

876
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: of Buddhist philosophy as being like the way out. But

877
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: how could we ever do it? I mean, you know,

878
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: I think we all maybe identify that a little bit.

879
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: But she's like, yeah, when I first encountered Buddhist thought

880
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: in my twenties, I was so confused, I'm supposed to

881
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: be content with what's going on here? And now I

882
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: realized how much Judaism for me was connected to yearning,

883
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: to wanting what you don't have, which is maybe why

884
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: Israel is so complicated emotionally for Jews, it's built in

885
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: the emotional structure of our religion to yearn for a

886
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: homeland we don't have, you know. But the thing is,

887
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: it's like Israel does exist. You know, they do have.

888
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 4: I know it's absolutely there, and there are lots of Israeli,

889
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 4: so I don't know.

890
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 3: There are So it's still an idea.

891
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 4: When she said that, I imagine how different would be

892
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 4: if she said that in a Comedians and Cars getting

893
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 4: coffee with Jerry Seinfeldt.

894
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 3: Kind of how different that conversation would.

895
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 4: Be exactly like him and Justice Seinfeldt are like also

896
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 4: such like Zionus.

897
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: Just like normal Zionis vibes.

898
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, just your classic normal zign is one more thing,

899
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 4: and that we will move to segments. The way it

900
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 4: ends destroys the romanticism of the email, because it's when

901
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 4: they've met finally and and now it's just so good

902
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 4: seeing you at a reading.

903
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: Okay, I guess I really disagree. I that the ending

904
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: is beautiful. I thought she was really trying to connect

905
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: with him, and she's obviously a fan, but she brings

906
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: up this like incredibly like serious philosophical idea of film.

907
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: She goes Jonathan, it was so good to meet you

908
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: after the reading of the day. And this is in

909
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: two thousand and two, so basically like the emails and

910
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: for the article, and they have this little thing about

911
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: Shabbat meaning is actually a time when you stop the clock,

912
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: not just stop working, but it's an attempt to stop time.

913
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 2: And then he manages to like get the hotmail server

914
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: working and finds this emil from Tisten too. She goes, Jonathan,

915
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: it was so good to meet you after the reading

916
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: of the day. I love what you said about the

917
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: last line of the book, ending in the middle of

918
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: a sentence, that it was a dialogue with the reader

919
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: and what a reader fills in completes the book. It

920
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: reminded me of the wall to much thing about digital film.

921
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 2: It will never be as emotional as film film because

922
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: of the black between frames with regular film, as you

923
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: probably know. Also, the parenthetical, as you probably know, is

924
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: very like I feel like it's this generous thing of

925
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: just being like, maybe you didn't know, but like I'm did,

926
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: because like I respect you as being a cultural authority.

927
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 2: And then she goes between each frame is a black

928
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: frame that flashes for a fraction of a second and

929
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: the viewer's eyes fill in the picture reflexively, so the

930
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: viewer has to be engaged in a way they don't

931
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: have to when all the visuals are provided to them.

932
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: It is our engagement in the process, our helping the

933
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: creation of the piece that makes us feel the story.

934
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: And that's the end. I mean, that's an insane first

935
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: email that's on to someone. You don't find that to

936
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 2: be the beginning of a romantic correspondence.

937
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 3: I've found that.

938
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 4: Maybe it's because it felt like it's now out of

939
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 4: the fantasy, like now we've met, and I felt like

940
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 4: she was kind of tying it up, like I'm going

941
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 4: to kind of send you an amazing thought I had

942
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 4: and now we're kind of done.

943
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: But it was the first email she ever sent him.

944
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: I thought that was the last email she sent him.

945
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: That was the final email. That was like the very

946
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: first email they ever sent. Because the whole premise of

947
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: this was that they've been emailing for years, but he

948
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: lost all the emails due to hotmail, and so then

949
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: they had this kind of like right performed set of

950
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 2: emails that they were doing for the article, and then

951
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: he did finally find the original email and this is

952
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: the first thing she ever wrote him. Oh, you were

953
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 2: like it was weird the article, and did I feel

954
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 2: like she didn't want to talk to him anymore?

955
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: I was just like, that's random.

956
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 4: Look, we all read in different ways, and that is

957
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 4: my sense of wonder and we're different learners. And look,

958
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 4: you read that properly, and you know, but I informed

959
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 4: you about kind of I guess I was so in

960
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 4: their romance and maybe I was too hopped up on

961
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 4: that to kind of pull out yes and sons like

962
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 4: they are in love.

963
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: And maybe now that Benjamin Millipede has cheated on her,

964
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: she can go cheat on him with Jonathan, although maybe

965
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: they're not emailing so much anymore. Book Club the segment

966
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: what does she eat?

967
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 3: What does she wear?

968
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: How does she live? Well, I think how does she live?

969
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: You know, I think we know exactly Jonathan Severer four lives.

970
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: I think that there is white subway tile in the kitchen.

971
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: There's lots and lots of books, it's a dark wood

972
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: smirre to the table, absolutely miss Myers, oriental rugs out

973
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: the who.

974
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 4: Kids toys still everywhere, and he, you know, was like, ugh,

975
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 4: it's Vinyl.

976
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: Here's my question. I see three possible directions for his couch.

977
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: Either it's very freud and it is it's like super

978
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: vintage and like kind of uncomfortable, little tattered passels. Even. Two,

979
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: it is more classic masculine writer, so a dark leather,

980
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: either a black leather or a brown leather. Right. Three

981
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 2: it is more of a modern feminine jewel toned like

982
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: a dark green. And it's like a newer couch.

983
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: Oh, like a velvet joybird that's dark green.

984
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like whatever the more expensive version of Tripert is.

985
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 4: Here's what I think is. I'm just like he got divorced.

986
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 4: I kind of feel like he used to.

987
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 2: Have Oh right, I guess I'm impagining that the house

988
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: he wrote this in.

989
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, let's do.

990
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 4: How the emails were Roden, because I feel like he

991
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 4: did have like kind of these tattern Fordian couches that like,

992
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 4: even though he has kids, he held on too, and

993
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 4: he's like, I'm not going to get rid of my

994
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 4: writer lee Freudian couch, Okay, And like now he does

995
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 4: have like a Floyd or Joybird that his kids can stain.

996
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: Okay, Can I just say I just looked it up

997
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: and jonathan'sapfenfor stunning Borham hilltownhouse. So not detmos but boram

998
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 2: Is put on the market again for nine million dollars.

999
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: That couches our brown leather on me.

1000
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay.

1001
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: But there is like a jewel tone blue couch in

1002
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 2: the corner that's smaller.

1003
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: Small, jewel tone mostly brown.

1004
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, left, but it's really these big brown leather couches.

1005
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 3: So when was that house put on the market.

1006
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: These articles in twenty eighteen? I think it was because I.

1007
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 4: Recently saw the poem, So I'm like, does he live

1008
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 4: there now or did the person.

1009
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: It was first missted and like I think like twenty seventeen,

1010
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: and then it was like discounted again. Yeah, it was

1011
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: for nine million. I don't know who about it. Oh.

1012
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty one, Gawker says Jonathan staff from for

1013
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 4: Please Update your Sidewalk Poetry Board.

1014
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: Oh huh. So then did he move to dip Miss.

1015
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 4: Maybe he moved to dip Miss after the divorce, Yeah,

1016
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 4: after the Brownstone.

1017
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 3: So he put up the borm Hill then did the

1018
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 3: dip Miss.

1019
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 2: So the question is was he like, I'm doing brown

1020
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 2: leather couch again or you like because the thing about

1021
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: brown leather couches as they are easy to clean.

1022
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: I think he brought the brown leather couches okay to

1023
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 4: dip miss Interestine.

1024
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 3: And I think he does like have some wipes that

1025
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: like once a spring, he's doing this like man leather

1026
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 3: cleaning day.

1027
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. And wait here a him and Michelle's

1028
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 2: all together.

1029
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 4: No, no, they broke up too, So I think he's

1030
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 4: like single boots Natalie.

1031
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 3: We've kind of already done that for her. But I

1032
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: feel like it's like alto.

1033
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 4: A little oriental rug meets modern, like it's a little

1034
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 4: more feminine and less modern, like it's a little more

1035
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 4: shanzy and uncomfortable.

1036
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: I think I don't think it's that much personality. I

1037
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: think he I think it's more minimal, like I think, like, yeah,

1038
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 2: maybe there's an Oriental rug, but I don't think there's

1039
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 2: like so much stuff everywhere. Like I think there's liters

1040
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: like books. I think they're doing leaning art. I think

1041
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: they have like one framed like old water collar that

1042
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: like one of Benjamin's friends did and it's like small

1043
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: and it's taken up an entire wall.

1044
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 4: And I think there's photography and like a map of Israel.

1045
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's a map of Israel globes.

1046
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,959
Speaker 4: What does she she eats asparagus and nothing he I'm sure.

1047
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 4: I'm like in line at the dimost Co with him,

1048
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 4: and he's buying dates and he's buying bondza mac and

1049
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 4: cheese for his kids.

1050
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 3: The chickpea pasta gross.

1051
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: Probably true. I think he's definitely like leaning towards whatever

1052
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 2: your fancy market equivalent of Trader dose snacks are. I

1053
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 2: think he's like buying dates. He's buying that like you know,

1054
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: like Oriental cracker mix with the sobby ps and it. Yeah,

1055
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: because he wants snack food. He's a writer and he's divorced.

1056
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: What did divorced writers? Do? They snack?

1057
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 4: And then he does his vinegar hill like roast chicken

1058
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 4: brick chicken.

1059
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: But and I think he's getting seltzer delivered.

1060
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: Yes from like a fresh Shrek writer.

1061
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 2: Arms don't have to carry it.

1062
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 4: No, he's not carrying the laqual like three blocks absolutely

1063
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 4: not knowing.

1064
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: No, No heat aren't okay? What does she wear? I

1065
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: mean he basically is the target customer for like every

1066
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: random weird men's where brand you get adds for that's

1067
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: always like mac Weldon and like Joss Whedon and always Mason,

1068
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: and they're always just like the only T shirt you'll

1069
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 2: ever need, or.

1070
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 4: Just like the everyday hunting shirt. But it's a hunch

1071
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 4: in twenty seven dollars, like he has just like.

1072
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 2: The most normal olive green and black.

1073
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 4: Like I was gonna say, he's very like rumpled olive

1074
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 4: khakis to me and like a park slope community garden

1075
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 4: rumpled T shirt.

1076
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do also think he's walking into Uniclo

1077
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: when he's like in DC on a book tour and

1078
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: just being like, I needed chinos where you go for chinos?

1079
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: I went to Uniclo because I thought they had good chinos,

1080
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: and then he's like, I hate it in there, but

1081
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: I bought four pairs of chinos and hopefully they'll last me.

1082
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: I buy chinos once a year.

1083
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 4: He's dropping bucks at ARII and unique clob Basically, I don't.

1084
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: Know if he's tray being so like gorpe coor Swaggy

1085
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 2: at Ario.

1086
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 4: I'm just saying Daz dropped dollars, not on the swag.

1087
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 4: He's just like, Okay, I need a shoe and it's

1088
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 4: two twenty five.

1089
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: I guess he's like the shoes to twenty five, so

1090
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: while buy it, Like that's what a shoe costs?

1091
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 3: And who are you in the article?

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Speaker 4: I mean you're Natalie getting the asparagu word, Natalie in

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Speaker 4: bed at clove.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a ballet dancer. Or are you Natalie's son

1095
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 2: who is battling dinosaur isn't play total batman?

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Speaker 4: Or I'm Jennifer Jason Lee meeting up with Natalie for

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Speaker 4: a dinner in London.

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Speaker 2: For a dinner in London after shooting Annihilation all day.

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Speaker 4: I give these emails five chinos, five olive ginos out

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Speaker 4: of five there are, Carrie, it's a quick read.

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Speaker 2: I did love that it was a quick read. Yeah,

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00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 2: I give it four welks out of five almonds, so twelks.

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Speaker 3: I like the cinema of it all.

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Speaker 4: I was like, this is a kind of a mid

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00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 4: indie movie I would watch also on a hot day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's an update of You've got male, the.

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00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 3: Actress and the writer. You know, the beautiful and oh

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Speaker 3: the man who doesn't.

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00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 4: Think he's beautiful, but like he's actually more confident than

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Speaker 4: he even thinks he is.

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Speaker 2: I'm with one hundred percent watched this film. Let's adapt

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Speaker 2: We are officially adapting. I will reach out to my people.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, guys. We somehow turned an article that took

1114
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Speaker 2: about eight minutes to read into an hour long podcast.

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Speaker 3: How does she do it?

1116
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 4: And maybe some of us should have spent twenty minutes

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00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 4: reading it because I kind of messed up, as Stephen

1118
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Speaker 4: called me out the order of the emails. But again,

1119
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Speaker 4: I'm an alternative learner.

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Speaker 2: So that's literally okay. Best Subody Book Club is produced

1121
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: and edited by Darby Masters, which comes from the Hebrew

1122
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 2: word every, which means nationality. When I first encountered supervising

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Speaker 2: producer Abu Zafar in my twenties, it was at a

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Speaker 2: tea restaurant into Blissi and I saw him from across

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Speaker 2: the room, and he was reading a check off play,

1126
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Speaker 2: of course, and I couldn't help but laugh because he

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Speaker 2: was reading it upside down. And I went up to

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Speaker 2: him and said, so you're reading that check play upside down?

1129
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Speaker 2: And he said, that's how you know what it's really about.

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Speaker 2: And I never forgot that. Executive producer is Christina Everett.

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Speaker 2: I met her in a production of Ophelia in nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty eight. It was on London's East End, not the

1133
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Speaker 2: West End, but the East End, which at the time

1134
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Speaker 2: was very dangerous for a young girl of my weight.

1135
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Speaker 2: Teddy Blanks did our graphic design. He's someone who inspires

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Speaker 2: me and makes me think about honor and ritual and

1137
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 2: tribe and death on a weekly basis. Our theme was

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Speaker 2: sung and produced by Stephen Phillips Horse, who is such

1139
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: an amazing father. Our original podcast was birthed by Prologue Projects,

1140
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 2: and that's a relationship that I cherished so much because

1141
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Speaker 2: it taught me to slow down and for that I'll

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Speaker 2: be eternally grateful. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Foo