1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: if you had listened to what we're calling the last 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: music and sound effects are gone. Yes, we've we've gone 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: back to straight audio, so be warned. We sound a 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: little different today than we do in what you're about 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: to listen to. Yeah, and bye bye, thinking sideways. I 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: don't think you never know stories of things. We simply 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: don't know the answer too. Hello, and welcome to the show, 17 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: Steve im And we're going to tell you a strange story. 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: Do you have a strange story for us? I do 19 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: have a strange story for all right. This is the 20 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 1: story of the ghost Ship. The ghost ship, the only 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: GHO ship ship ship. Okay, it's called doug o ship. 22 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: But it's a ghost ship. I gotta say, I love 23 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: ghost ship stories. I know they are your favorite. You've 24 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: told them around the campfire a lot. They're they're pretty 25 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: freaking awesome. Yeah, right, Well, this story begins in so 26 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: the United States was still in the middle of, or 27 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: near the end of, they didn't know it, World War two. 28 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: The country was worried about attacks on the western coast 29 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: from the Japanese. So what they decide to do is 30 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,559 Speaker 1: the country decides, or the air force decides that would 31 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: be a great idea, is let's get blimps because they 32 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: can hover in one spot for long periods of time 33 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: without using a lot of fuel, and they can patrol 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: the coast, watch out for ships and sobs. And there's 35 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: actually talking about bringing the blimp back. I didn't know 36 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: that there is there. There actually has talk about that. 37 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: Very cool, has many uses, and they're cheap to keep 38 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: up in the air and very safe historically, except for 39 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: like you know, the hydrogen, the hydrogen filled ones. Well 40 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: there's that, and what we're going to talk about. So 41 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty, the U. S. Navy I think I 42 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: said air Force before, but it was the Navy purchased 43 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: from the Goodyear Company. They're blimp and named the Ranger. 44 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 1: It worked, so they decide we're going to get a 45 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: couple of more of these in March. On March five two, 46 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: the L eight was purchased from but good Year and 47 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: that was the blimp in question. Uh. Now, so it's 48 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: a blimp story. It's not a ghost ship. It's a 49 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: ghost blimp. Yes, yes it is. It is a blimp, 50 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: but they call it the ghost ship. Okay, isn't it 51 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: is an airship after all? Exactly? But better ghos. Uh. 52 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: Not only did these blimps do routine patrols up and 53 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: down the coast, they also were involved in some clandestine operations. 54 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: The L A was actually involved in an operation where 55 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: it left the San Francisco Bay on the eleventh of 56 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: April and it was hauling a secret three pound cargo 57 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: which it took out to see and it met the 58 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: aircraft carrier the USS Hornet. Today we know that the 59 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: cargo actually was parts for the B five bombers, and 60 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: that the Hornet initiated the first attack on the islands 61 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: of Japan, So our first air raids actually on Japan. 62 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: Those were known as the Do Little raids, so they 63 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: played a pretty important part at the time. But we're 64 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: gonna move forward in time from there to August six. 65 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: The L eight is scheduled to go on a routine 66 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: patrol to look for submarines. Supposed to leave Treasure Island, 67 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: which is in the San Francisco Bay. It's gonna head 68 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: on about a thirty mile trip out to sea, circle around, 69 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: look around, and come back. The l ad always normally 70 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: would have a crew of three. In this instance, there 71 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: was Lieutenant Ernest Cody and Sign Charles Adams and machine 72 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: just made third Class James Hill, so we've got three men. 73 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: They meet the cargo load of this particular blimp that's 74 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: the Mexican Carrier around its weight limb. Unfortunately, that day 75 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: it was very foggy, and as we know, when it's foggy, 76 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: condensation forms on everything. A blimp of that size gets 77 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: so much water a condensation on it that it changed 78 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: the weight dynamics of the blimp and they realized that 79 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: it had too much weight, so it couldn't take the 80 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: entire crew. The Navy decides, well, we're gonna go ahead 81 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: and just send it out with two of you, and 82 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna leave someone behind. So it turns out that 83 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: James Hill is the one who's a let who's chosen 84 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: to stay behind him. Yeah, yeah, indeed. Well, he goes 85 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: on board, he sets up all the controls, make sure 86 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: everything's in line, and then he walks away from the blimp. 87 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: Now keep in mind, this crew had been on this 88 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: blimp many many times, so it wasn't as if it 89 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: was their first run out. Uh So, at six o 90 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: three am on the sixteenth of August two, the L 91 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: eight takes off from Treasure Island. About an hour and 92 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: a half into the patrol, which would be seven forty 93 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: two in the morning or am, Cody radios back that 94 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: he has spotted a potential oils and they're gonna go investigate. 95 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: That's the last time anybody ever heard from the crew. 96 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: Now keep in mind, I'm I'm specifying here. It's the 97 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: crew about eleven fifteen were in day or in merse 98 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: said at the beach, California, it's a lovely day. We're 99 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: all hanging out on the beach, and all of a sudden, 100 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: the crowds watch a blimp drifting in from the ocean 101 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: and descending. It descends enough that it hits the cliffs 102 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: out on the beach and snags snags there. The breeze 103 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: hits it, I'm not exactly sure, it damages an engine, 104 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: and somehow the blimp breaks free. Crowds are walking towards it. 105 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: They want to know what's going on right up until 106 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: a depth charge falls off, at which point everybody runs away. Okay, 107 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: well the depth charge, luckily enough, didn't go off, but 108 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: the blimp, now lightened load continue news on inland. It 109 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: eventually comes to rest in the four hundred block in 110 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: Daily City on Bellevue Avenue. The yeah, because in the 111 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: process it was a terrible fender bender. In the process 112 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: of coming down, it hits a house and a couple 113 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: of cars. Of course. Uh yeah, not something I would 114 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: want to have running into my house. A pictures, No, 115 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: unfortunately they didn't have them on the iPhone wasn't around yet. 116 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: Uh So we do have a quote from that time, 117 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: and the quote reads is such it was Mrs Appleton. 118 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: She said that all of a sudden, this huge beheemoth 119 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: had settled and scraped across the top of a roof. 120 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: She said it sounded like change dragging, but the entire 121 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: house was blacked out because of the size of this thing. 122 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: She raced to the front window, wondering what in the 123 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: world was going on, and she saw the rest of it. 124 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: The gondola hit the cross arm, broke off part of 125 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: the mechanism, and then gradually settled to the ground. So 126 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: this thing scraped across the roof. It was big enough 127 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: and made quite a lot of noise. The ship comes 128 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: to rest in the middle of the street, and what happens, 129 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: of course, the envelope but it holds all the gas, 130 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: collapses and just swamps everything. Can you imagine, It's like 131 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: that thing just lands in your house. You wake up 132 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: and it's collapsed over your house. You're looking at that 133 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: the windows. You can't see anything. You know, you're looking 134 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: at the clock. It's eleven o'clock in the morning, but 135 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: it's blackout. This is weird. Can't see two feet in 136 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: front of me exactly. That would be a little Did 137 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: anybody get trapped underneath this thing when it collapsed, Well, no, 138 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: no bystanders were trapped, but there were a lot of 139 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: people who were kind of following it as it was 140 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: coming down, So as soon as it hit people were 141 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: on the scene. Everybody presumed that the crew must be 142 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: stuck in the gondola, the part that hangs on the 143 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: bottom that the crew hangs out in or works in. 144 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: And so they rushed to their aid. They hack and 145 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: they caught, and they saw their way through the envelope, 146 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: desperately trying to get to the gondola. Gentleman who lived 147 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: across the street by the name of William Morris. He 148 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: was a volunteer firefighter, and he went out there and 149 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: did his everything he could, and he was one of 150 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: the first people who got through the envelope and got 151 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: to the gondola. When he got there, he said, and 152 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: he said, it was very strange because, as the quote goes, 153 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: the doors were open and nobody was in the cabin. 154 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: The crew was completely gone nowhere near. Nobody knows where 155 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: they are. They're never found. The Navy launches a land 156 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: and sea search. They go everywhere looking for him, but 157 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: they can't find them. A year later, the Navy declared 158 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: Cody and Adams officially deceived east and the search officially ended. 159 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: So did they I assume that they examined this the 160 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: envelope or whatever you call it, for both holes. Well, 161 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: the problem was that the bystanders who were attempting to 162 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: help destroyed it. It was to the to the point 163 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: that it was not salvageable. Did they find any clues 164 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: in the gondola, Well, they did find some things in 165 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: the gondola. Uh, and and some of this is weird, 166 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: some of it's odd, and we will We'll just go 167 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: ahead and we'll start with the gondola itself. When the 168 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: navy arrived, they inspected it, and they found that all 169 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: the parachutes were accounted for. The life belts, which is 170 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: the equivalent of a life vest, were gone, the life 171 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: raft was still in place, and the radio was working normally, 172 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: so everything seemed in order. Most of the fuel was 173 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: still left in the ship. Uh. The engines were switched on, 174 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: but weren't actually working at the time, obviously because of 175 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: the crash with the cliff. And Mers said, uh. And 176 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: there was a briefcase in the gondola that still contained 177 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: the classified files that were kept on on the ship. 178 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: There were rumors at one point for many years that 179 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: there was a half eaten sandwich and a warm cup 180 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 1: of coffee still on the console. That's been debunked that 181 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: that actually never happened. But you do come across that 182 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: when you find this story there. Now, there are a 183 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: couple of other things that we know that we found 184 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: through some research that's been done. I had talked about earlier. 185 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: There was a dish or a big dent in the 186 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: middle of the envelope. What that was from is that 187 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: at some point the blimp began to rise just essentially 188 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 1: straight up to the point that it got high enough 189 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: in the atmosphere that the pressure was too great and 190 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: it caused a automatic pressure release valve to go off, 191 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: vented a bunch of the gas, therefore reducing its lifting power. 192 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: So as it came back down into the pressure atmospheric 193 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: pressures meant to work under the bag wasn't as full, 194 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: so it sank, and that's why there was that giant dip, 195 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: which explains why as it was coming inland it continued 196 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: to drop and eventually crash into the ground. The only 197 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: other account that we have of the L eight during 198 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: its mission is from two fishing boats that were out 199 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: that day, and they said they did observe the blimp 200 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: descending from whatever's normal operation elevation was down to about 201 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: three feet above the sea. Presumably that's when they were 202 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: investigating the oil slick that they had radioed back and 203 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: said they were checking out, didn't know if it was 204 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: a submarine or something. Well, as any smart captain would do, 205 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: both captains pulled up their nets and turned around and 206 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: tuck tail. The last thing they wanted to do was 207 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: be in the area. If it dropped a depth charge, 208 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: it would be kind of a bad thing, right. So 209 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: that's as far as it goes. That's as far as 210 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: we know. All of the facts that are associated with 211 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: the l A and there's nothing else weird that they discovered. Nope, 212 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: nothing else. It crew is gone. Everything that should be 213 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: in place is pretty much in place. Nothing that they 214 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: can tell is missing, Nothing out of the ordinary that 215 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: they can tell has happened. Well, of course, begin and 216 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of some crazy, some not so crazy 217 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: theories out there as to what could have happened. I 218 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: think it's actually quite obvious what happened. It was a 219 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: gay suicide pact. Okay, Jenny, Yeah, you're you're absolutely right. 220 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: That's why all this time, looking at the story, you've 221 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: you've figured it out. It was obvious all along. Yeah, 222 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: what was any thinking? All right, here's what the theories are. 223 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: We know that the L eight was out looking for 224 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: Japanese submarines. That was their primary mission was to find 225 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 1: submarines to protect the coastline so that the Japanese didn't 226 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: attack us on our own soil, or at least in 227 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: the water on our own soil. Well, some people believe 228 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: that what must have happened is that when the blimp descended, 229 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: it did indeed find a Japanese sub, and that the 230 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: crew of the sub overpowered them and pulled them out 231 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: of the Essentially, I'm guessing this means the gondolas a 232 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: couple feet off the water, right against the water, essentially, 233 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: and that they overpowered them and they would have gotten 234 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: that low though, right, that's that's the hard part, and 235 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: then stuffed them in the hold and took off. Now 236 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: there's some cread Now there's some creed ins to this show, 237 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: because if you think about, well, let's say that it's 238 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: just floating there and there's no crew on the top up, 239 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: one of them might have climbed down the ladder to 240 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: check it out, got captured, and then you know, with 241 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: a gun to his head, the Japanese said get down here, 242 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: or we kill your friend. Except for that, wouldn't they 243 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: want that classified information? That was on the blimp. If 244 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: they went into the blimp, you would think they would 245 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: understand they would look for that. Maybe they didn't go 246 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: into the blimp. But the other problem with that theory 247 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: is that the radio was working. Don't you think that 248 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: the first thing that you would do when you found 249 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: a sub floating is to call back and say, I 250 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: found a sub. Yeah, I believe what I just found. 251 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: Nothing like that, so we don't. Isn't some navy code 252 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: for Japanese sub? Nothing I have ever heard. No, So 253 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: let's see. There is theory number two. Theory number two 254 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: says that it was a love triangle, that these men 255 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: were involved in a love triangle with a woman that 256 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: they were both seeing on show are Now here's the 257 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: hard part about this, or what what doesn't hold water 258 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: for me on that is that Cody was twenty seven 259 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: and Adams was thirty eight, so I would guess that 260 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't likely be chasing the same woman. Maybe 261 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: they were, it's hard to say. It is possible. But 262 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: the two friends, by the way, uh, there's no records 263 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: to say what their relationship to each other was other 264 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: than they were co workers that they served on this 265 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: ship and that's all we know that that I can 266 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: find is. I did go to some navy sides, looked 267 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: up to a lot of stuff, but that kind of 268 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: information never seems to have been reported, none of it 269 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: was recorded. Anyway. Here's what we have. We have a 270 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: we have a love trying. These two men are on 271 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: on the l a and a fight breaks out. They're 272 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: fighting for her love. They get into a fist fight. 273 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: One thing leads to another, or they accidentally fall into 274 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: the door of the gondola and they both fall out 275 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: to their deaths at sea. Surely there's some safety mechanism there, though, 276 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 1: uh well, you know it's it's funny, but the gondola, 277 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: the walls of the gondola are the metal is six 278 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: millimeters thick, extremely thin, so I'm guessing it had to 279 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: be thin to be light. Also, when I was doing 280 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: my research on this, came across reports from air or 281 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: navy men who had been in that or similar gondolas 282 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: who had mentioned that they were extremely flimsy. So it 283 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: did have a bar to lock the door. But presumably 284 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: if the whole thing is made to be as light 285 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: as possible, it's conceivable that somebody slamming into it could 286 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: just pop the whole thing open. That's true, so there 287 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: is some possibility, but it was you know, maybe maybe 288 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: the Biastanders who opened it up don't remember us the 289 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: door already open when they finally got to the gondola 290 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: or was it. Holding to Morris, who was the first 291 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: one to get through to the gondola, he said the 292 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: door was wide open. We don't know. Did it get 293 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: popped open when it ran into the cliff, was it 294 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: open ahead of time? There's there's not a lot to 295 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: support it. Again, the details on this one are one 296 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: of those weird military items where things have been held back, 297 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: not necessarily reported, so it's it's hard to get all 298 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: those details. I think that they could ask some of 299 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: the witnesses on the front, the beach and etcetera. But 300 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: then again, you know as well as I do, that 301 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: witness statements tend to be fraught with errors and they 302 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: conflict constantly. So it does. It's hard to say. But 303 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: unfortunately this was seventy plus years ago. Not likely to 304 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: find many of those folks around anymore than I tell you. 305 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: But there is one final theory, and this is a 306 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: theory that personally I hold it. I think is is 307 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: probably the good one, and it's the burn to triangle. No. 308 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,719 Speaker 1: The last one is that it may have been a 309 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: complete freak accident that claimed both of their lives. When 310 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: the gondala was found, like I said, the door latch 311 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: was open and the door was open, which obviously enough 312 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: is not the way that it should happen when it's 313 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: in flight. There they do say there's a safety bar, 314 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: but again I have a feeling that that safety bar 315 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: is probably pretty minimal and flimsy, especially considering a nWo 316 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: we were really worried about safety as much as we 317 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: are now. It's not some double latch system. It's probably 318 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: just a door bolt door handle with a bolt in it. 319 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: But still, these guys have been working at this thing 320 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: for a long time. They probably no better than it 321 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: go smashing into the door. It's very true. But here's 322 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: where what I think has probably happened starts to gain 323 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: some some footing. There was a microphone plugged in inside 324 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: the cockpit, and that microphone, uh, it goes to a loudspeaker. 325 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: That loudspeaker was dangling outside of the gondola, so it 326 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: was outside. So what people are thinking might have happened 327 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: is that there was something mechanically that went wrong, how 328 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: you know, part way through their journey, two hours into 329 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: the trip, and one of the men decided that he 330 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: would try and go out and fix it ran into trouble. 331 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: So the so crewman number one is outside, crewmen number 332 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: two is inside using the loudspeakers. Obviously you're moving along 333 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: and it's windy, it's loud, so you gotta use the 334 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: loudspeaker to be heard, and that what he was doing 335 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: was talking to his his his compatriot, at which point 336 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: he ran into trouble. So crewm number one outside swifts 337 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: or gets snagged or something happens, and crew and number 338 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: two decides that the best thing to do is to 339 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 1: go out and try and help him, at which point 340 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: they both lose their grip and they both fall to 341 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: the sea. But why wouldn't they have radioed back that 342 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: there was a problem. That's the hard part. Now have 343 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: do you either of you have you ever known folks 344 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: that were in the military. What what is the one 345 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: thing you never tell your boss in the military, Something 346 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: went wrong, something's broken. Hey, chief, this is not okay. 347 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: They don't like to hear that. And the bravado says 348 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: Male Bravado says, I can fix this, fix it now, 349 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: which may very well have been the wrong thing to do, 350 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: and it may have been what claimed their lives. But 351 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 1: we don't know nothing exist. Nobody's were ever found. If 352 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: they felt to their destincy. You know what it's like 353 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: when ships go down out of however, you know, a 354 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: small fraction or ever found. Nobody knows whatever happened. Yeah, 355 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 1: that's funny. You wouldn't think they would have found their 356 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: bodies because if they were wearing their life belts, that 357 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: would have that would have kept their bodies afloat. They 358 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: eventually would have washed up for sure. Yeah, unless the 359 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: aliens got yeah, or the sharks or the sharks California. 360 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: That's good point. A lot of big toothfish. Yeah, I'm 361 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm lying towards the theory that they were actually on 362 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: board when it landed and they just crawled away into 363 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: the collapse envelope. And because they probably screwed up in 364 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: some major way. Uh, and they knew they were going 365 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: to be in like, you know, big trouble when they 366 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: got back, and so they decided, well, you know what, 367 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: let's just sneak off and go change our names and 368 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: move to another state. So what you think it happened 369 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: is that they're both sitting there reading time, not paying 370 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: attention to play Okay, it would have been Playboy. I 371 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: was not around yet. I don't think it would have 372 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: been some in mag. Yeah, some skin mag. And they're 373 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: not paying attention and they run into the cliff, at 374 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: which point go, oh, yeah, I don't know what to do. 375 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: Let's let's run away to Manabe. They bailed on the cliff. 376 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: They released the depth charge, and while that was a distraction, 377 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: they like, bailed out on the cliff. That's that would 378 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 1: actually scenario. And if they didn't, if they didn't bail 379 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: on the cliff, you know, because the depth charge I 380 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: would think wouldn't just pop out easily. But they're saying 381 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: like like, hey, we're snagged on this. We gotta get 382 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: some lift drop a depth charge drop and yeah that 383 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: and that'll get us unsnagged from this thing. Yeah, but 384 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: I thought about it everything, And now I'm glad you 385 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: bring that up, because I was reading it and thinking 386 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: that what it meant was the force of the impact 387 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: broken loose. But but your theory is just as possible. 388 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: But we need we need we need some lift. Let's 389 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: get rid of some weight. Throw everything overboard. It's like that, 390 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: what is it, the old hot air balloon cartoon? And dude, 391 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: you throw everything overboard as fast as you can, including 392 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: the guy you don't like. Yeah, very well. Could have happened, 393 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: Yeah it couldn't you know, it could be this too. 394 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: Maybe perhaps one of them murdered the other one out 395 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: of sea, pushed his body out, and you know, I 396 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: have to waiting it down a little bit or something 397 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: like that. And then it comes and and then he's 398 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: plotted this out. He's gonna come, he's gonna come back. 399 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: He's gonna bring it in really low, right over the beach. 400 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: There'll be lots of witnesses that this thing is just 401 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: a drift and everything. But he screws up, hooks up 402 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: the hooks on the clip, has to drop a depth 403 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: charge to get left, and then continues on, continues on 404 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: to his landing, and then when the whole thing collapses, 405 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: he crawls away underneath you on the collapse envelope. Ostensibly 406 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: he would have been in an uniform. The only drawback 407 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: he could have taken his his shirt off, so you know, 408 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: whereas when you wear a dress shirt or some kind 409 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: of shirt. You've only got a T shirt of some 410 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: kind of Yeah, and also slipped away. And also if 411 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: you if you planned it out in the dance, which 412 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: he may have done, he could have brought along some 413 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: extra clothes. Is that I think we've solved it. Yeah. 414 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: You want another weird, other twisted bit of history with 415 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: this story. So the l A was purchased, as I 416 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: said in the beginning, from the good Year Corporation. When 417 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: the Navy stopped using blimps, they sold it back to 418 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: good Year. We'll tell how to patches on it on it, uh, 419 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: And the this particular blim was the good Year blimp 420 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: that was used at football games from nineteen two. It 421 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: was the same gondola, so the same don that was 422 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: recording all those football games. And we always saw the 423 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: commercials with if you're old enough to remember watching those commercials, 424 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: that was the gondola that is involved in this crash. Today, 425 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: that gondola, obviously it's got it's stopped being used in 426 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: eight two. It's now in I believe it's a good 427 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: Year museum. They still keep it and they still have it, 428 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: so it is still around. Obviously probably repaired and repainted 429 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: several times what happened in forty two, but probably, But 430 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, don't go don't go breaking in and 431 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 1: trying to hop onto it and go looking for clues, 432 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: because they're they're long gone. Yeah, okay, and that's it. 433 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 1: We've got it all right. Well, if if you want 434 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: to go ahead and read up on this story and 435 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: take a look at what we use for the research 436 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: on this, you can always just go ahead to our website, 437 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: which is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com and you can 438 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: find all research links right there. I feel like letting 439 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: us know you've got thoughts on it. You could always 440 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: go ahead. If you've got another theory or you think 441 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: we've missed a piece of information, go ahead and send 442 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: us an email. Email is Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail 443 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: dot com. And with that, we're going to take off 444 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you next week with another bit 445 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: of weirdness. Everybody, unless you know, we crash a blunt. 446 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's not do that, okay,