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Speaker 1: Buck Brief. On this episode, we have David de Rosiers
Speaker 1: with us. He is the publisher of Real Clear Politics,
Speaker 1: a great man. Going to talk to us a bit
Speaker 1: about censorship in politics and also the samas Dot Prize
Speaker 1: gala at the Breakers in Palm Beach, So I'm actually
Speaker 1: gonna go to. A bunch of my friends will be there.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about this big event why it is so
Speaker 1: important in the era we live in. David, first, tell
Speaker 1: us about samas dot and welcome.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me Buck. Samas Dot is Russian for
Speaker 2: underground publishing. You know, sadly, we're going to do this
Speaker 2: on the eve of the State of the Union. This
Speaker 2: is going to be our own State of the Union
Speaker 2: where we really think that, you know, we're moving in
Speaker 2: a direction that's bad with regards to one of our
Speaker 2: founding cornerstones of the way we should conduct our lives
Speaker 2: in our politics, the First Amendment. And you know, we
Speaker 2: really think that, you know, the First Amendment is not
Speaker 2: trending well and we want to praise those uh, you know,
Speaker 2: intrepid souls that stand up for the rest of us
Speaker 2: so we can remain free.
Speaker 1: What is samas don.
Speaker 2: As I said, it's it's Russian for underground publishing. You know,
Speaker 2: it was the give me.
Speaker 1: The history, Give me the history a little bit, tell
Speaker 1: me a little bit about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, uh, you know the reason you know,
Speaker 2: the Gulag Archipelago souls and Eatson, the lie killer that
Speaker 2: was that book had to be smuggled into their own countries.
Speaker 2: So the greatest dissident thinkers that we have come to
Speaker 2: know that really challenged the lie that was Soviet communism.
Speaker 2: And you know, and even in any type of regime
Speaker 2: that is suffering from material of the mind.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can see Vakloff hovel.
Speaker 2: You know it's you had to get under you know,
Speaker 2: you went underground to get above ground. And what we
Speaker 2: see is happening in our own country sadly something you know,
Speaker 2: a country that's been committed to the First Amendment for
Speaker 2: as long as I've known in my lifetime, has made
Speaker 2: a dangerous turn away from it. And you know, we
Speaker 2: want to call attention to that turn. Show people the
Speaker 2: trajectory of where we're going. If we don't stand up
Speaker 2: to it now, it's not going to get better, it's
Speaker 2: going to get worse. And what we want to do
Speaker 2: on Thursday, March seventh is to highlight, you know, three
Speaker 2: intrepid people that we think kind of show what a
Speaker 2: real clear presentation of you know, First Amendment courages.
Speaker 1: Why do you think it is that in this era
Speaker 1: of increasing censorship, And I think it's obvious when you
Speaker 1: look at the social media companies the different policies that
Speaker 1: they have, that the censorship is highly part is in
Speaker 1: and very active. Journalists aren't speaking out in general. I
Speaker 1: know there are exceptions. You're honoring some of the exceptions
Speaker 1: at your gallo, but journalists aren't speaking out and saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: the First Amendment, irrespective of politics, is really hortant for us,
Speaker 1: and we need to defend free speech, even if it's
Speaker 1: the free speech that a lot of people don't want
Speaker 1: to hear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was an Atlantic study that came out a
Speaker 2: while ago that just really kind of captured our, I
Speaker 2: think our modern problem. That's the higher level of education
Speaker 2: that you have, the less tolerant you are of other views,
Speaker 2: and then when you take that and you put it
Speaker 2: into a university system that just by itself self selects.
Speaker 2: We've raised the generation of people that really, their policy
Speaker 2: towards the First Amendment is anti American. It seems uncharacteristically
Speaker 2: out of the American mainstream where I think it's forty
Speaker 2: percent of millennials, you know, against free speech. And if
Speaker 2: you want to just go give a contrast to the
Speaker 2: people who actually fought communists, who fought fascism, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, they came back and you know, and their
Speaker 2: attitudes going to their dying grave.
Speaker 3: Is thirteen percent.
Speaker 2: So there's been a movement in the American mind and
Speaker 2: American culture and the American establishment where to your point,
Speaker 2: it's like the fourth estate really is is you know,
Speaker 2: does not have a commitment to First Amendment liberty, maybe
Speaker 2: for them, but not for the I would describe it
Speaker 2: as and it's a dangerous it's a dangerous trend. And
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's awful when you know, the oldest
Speaker 2: newspaper in America, the New York Post, can actually be
Speaker 2: shut down on Twitter. And it's too it's not to
Speaker 2: it's a it was a combination of silence and applause
Speaker 2: and silence is a problem, but the applause if it
Speaker 2: was problematic as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as we know, not only is their censorship, but
Speaker 1: their censorship based on the premise that something is disinformation
Speaker 1: because it is false, and the people pushing that as
Speaker 1: the basis for the censorship don't seem the least bit
Speaker 1: self aware, don't seem to care at all when it
Speaker 1: comes out that what they said is false is actually
Speaker 1: true one hundred Biden laptop the New York Post being
Speaker 1: one of the best examples of this or clearest examples
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 2: The three folks that we've kind of singled out to
Speaker 2: get these awards, I think capture that. So we have
Speaker 2: doctor j. Boticharia. You know, so he was the guy
Speaker 2: who stood up to Fauci and said, hey, the scientific method,
Speaker 2: can we stand a crisis? And everything that his ex experiences,
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of even you know, in terms
Speaker 2: of the science, was that you know, where we were
Speaker 2: going was the wrong way. He was treated very poorly.
Speaker 2: He was treated very poorly, not just by the press,
Speaker 2: not just by the politicians, but by his own profession.
Speaker 2: And lo and behold, what do we see history of
Speaker 2: vindicated him? Like he was the one that was on
Speaker 2: the right side. You know, he was put up as
Speaker 2: like a Monkish superstition, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: it turns out that Fauci was the pope, and you know,
Speaker 2: doctor j he was Galileo.
Speaker 1: As we know how that turned out turned out.
Speaker 2: And the same go yeah, and the same goes for
Speaker 2: the other two that we picked. We you know, getting
Speaker 2: to the example that I brought up both the New
Speaker 2: York Post and Miranda Divine. You know, Miranda is our
Speaker 2: other recipient. And you know, in my response there is
Speaker 2: if someone gave you that laptom, you know, if you
Speaker 2: didn't accept that and jump into it with the responsibility
Speaker 2: that comes with being a representative of the Fourth Amendment,
Speaker 2: you'd be a hack. And the same for Matt to
Speaker 2: hebe the other gentleman who was receiving it. It's that,
Speaker 2: you know, if you get invited into Elon's uh you
Speaker 2: know twitter x. Now, if you get an invitation there
Speaker 2: and you get to look behind the veil, you see
Speaker 2: this alphabet soup of really you know, you know, violations
Speaker 2: of the First Amendment.
Speaker 3: You know, the government's not supposed to.
Speaker 2: Do it, regardless of whether a private company wants them
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 3: They're not allowed to do that.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think you see in the journalists
Speaker 2: that we picked, the differences between them are of degree
Speaker 2: and not kind, which is what a healthy difference within
Speaker 2: journalism should be. You know, Matt and Miranda to share,
Speaker 2: you know, share profession and ethics and a sense of
Speaker 2: fearless reporting. And sadly, you know that type of reporting
Speaker 2: is being attacked at scale.
Speaker 1: We'll get back into where this all goes, especially in
Speaker 1: the era of AI here in just a second. But
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Speaker 1: what should they do? What should we do about the
Speaker 1: fact that now censorship is Yes, it's top down, it's
Speaker 1: government and private sector colluding. That there's all. But it's
Speaker 1: also increasingly mechanized. Right, it's not even necessarily a person.
Speaker 1: It's a system that an algorithm that decides you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to talk about something like what's the way forward.
Speaker 2: I think that conservatives have to wake up to the
Speaker 2: to really how this is being exercised against them. I mean,
Speaker 2: the real surprise for us is that you know, for
Speaker 2: your listeners who know Real Clear Politics. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you know us, you know that we show both sides,
Speaker 2: and you know, so we try to do our best
Speaker 2: to give an accounting of the news, right and it's
Speaker 2: always you know, we do our best to make it comparative.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: So you have two folks from you know, from prestigious
Speaker 2: institutions saying the completely opposite thing about the same reality.
Speaker 2: Let the reader decide. We found out in February of
Speaker 2: last year, through some good report from Gabe Kaminski, that
Speaker 2: what happened was that there was the state, our own
Speaker 2: State Department was part of a you know, an international
Speaker 2: funding group that gave money to companies whose purpose was
Speaker 2: to kind of really censor American uh you know, viewpoint diversity.
Speaker 2: And the way that they did it was by coming
Speaker 2: up with a standard, you know, in ranking that these
Speaker 2: these groups, News Guard being an American example of it,
Speaker 2: uh GI, you know being another from a Bridge company.
Speaker 2: Global Disinformation Index is what it stands for. And Real
Speaker 2: Clear Politics found itself on a top ten list of
Speaker 2: disinformation and the purpose of this was to really have
Speaker 2: censorship through advertise advertising starvation. So if you know, if
Speaker 2: you have a media mind. You know, if you have
Speaker 2: a flavor of the media, if you like real clear,
Speaker 2: if you like your show, you like any of the
Speaker 2: things that you take for granted, out there is existing.
Speaker 2: They are behind the scenes being browned out through advertising starvation.
Speaker 2: So I think that this is you know, first of all,
Speaker 2: it's illegal for the you know, for own government to
Speaker 2: do this. I think these cut out these companies that
Speaker 2: are going out and doing this, like NewsGuard and GDI
Speaker 2: are bad. Uh. You know, Soros has an effort called
Speaker 2: check my Ads that if you don't follow this advice,
Speaker 2: if you don't you know, you know, feed on the
Speaker 2: diet that they want for media advertising. They go after
Speaker 2: the companies that are you know, in fall in it.
Speaker 3: There is uh.
Speaker 2: I mean, there is probably sixty public universities and private
Speaker 2: universities that are engaged in this. It's being funded by philanthropy.
Speaker 2: It's trickling down to everybody's schools. I mean, if you
Speaker 2: if you really want a cartographer of this kind of
Speaker 2: you know, censorship industrial complex. Uh, there's a gentleman, Mike
Speaker 2: Ben's out there. You put in bends, you'll let you'll
Speaker 2: get you'll get a quick education to what's happening. But
Speaker 2: you know, let me just first state it's that real clear.
Speaker 2: Was the only kind of centrist media independent outlet on
Speaker 2: a list, But the nine other people that we were
Speaker 2: keeping company with, they were all conservatives.
Speaker 1: Well I want I want to get to that actually
Speaker 1: and how And by the way, move a little to
Speaker 1: your left, David, because you keep on believing get there
Speaker 1: you go. You keep on disappearing from our video feed
Speaker 1: entirely because you're so passionate about the First Amendment and
Speaker 1: freedom of speech that you're you're out of the frame anyway.
Speaker 1: One thing I think is very important for everyone to
Speaker 1: recognize the the media used to play this game like
Speaker 1: CNN was supposed to be center. It wasn't actually center,
Speaker 1: but the game was we could have a place that
Speaker 1: has this pretense of oh we hear from both sides.
Speaker 1: Really was I mean I used to work there, so
Speaker 1: I know conservatives get punched in the face and ridiculed,
Speaker 1: but we have them on a little bit. And now
Speaker 1: what we see is if you actually try to be
Speaker 1: the center, that's not allowed, right because they got used
Speaker 1: to a rigged game where oh yeah, we're just journalists,
Speaker 1: we're neutral, we just provide people with no, that's unacceptable
Speaker 1: to them. And if someone actually tries to do that,
Speaker 1: and you're telling me that at real clear, part of
Speaker 1: your mission is take the right, take the left, both
Speaker 1: points of view, they will attack that too because they
Speaker 1: don't want that to be out there, and they also
Speaker 1: don't want to be held against that standard. They want
Speaker 1: the rigged game, they want the silencing.
Speaker 2: Oh it's you know, it really is clear that this
Speaker 2: viewpoint diversity, which is exactly what people get on our page,
Speaker 2: that is a problem. So there's a new form of
Speaker 2: speech out there. I mean, you could call it safe speech,
Speaker 2: you could call it worll speech, but it uses filters
Speaker 2: like disinformation, misinformation, and malinformation to give something out there
Speaker 2: that is quite frankly less and ideologically lopsided and partisan.
Speaker 2: I mean, so we're on the blacklist. It's you know,
Speaker 2: real clear, and nine conservative entities. You look at the
Speaker 2: white list, it's nine liberal entities. In the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 2: You know, if you go back twenty years, you know,
Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal was the only game in town.
Speaker 2: Now that's no longer the case. And the Wall Street
Speaker 2: Journal's behind a paywall, so unless you pay, you don't see, right,
Speaker 2: But they want to get to a world where it's
Speaker 2: nine to one liberal progressive to conservative, and the only
Speaker 2: conservative voice that's allowed to get any type of money
Speaker 2: is the Wall Street Journal that's behind a paywall. You know,
Speaker 2: that's the time of I mean mono media that I
Speaker 2: think is going out there. And I think that the
Speaker 2: folks out there, the conservatives who who like coming to
Speaker 2: our site because they get to see both sides, you're
Speaker 2: going to realize they're coming after us in order to
Speaker 2: really fracture and break up what we curate every day.
Speaker 2: I've mean, I would like to think at our best
Speaker 2: that we present you know, the winning, you know, winning
Speaker 2: ascendant face of an ascendant democratic, Republican, liberal, progressive, conservative viewpoints.
Speaker 3: So we're just.
Speaker 2: Capturing what we see to be out there. But it's
Speaker 2: very clear that people don't like to see two sides
Speaker 2: to anything. That there is an approved, approved subject matter,
Speaker 2: there are approved outlets. And you know, my company is
Speaker 2: being undermined because I you know, in my editors and
Speaker 2: the folks that work with us, they believe in you
Speaker 2: viewpoint diversity, and that's under attack.
Speaker 3: And that's what we're going to be celebrating on March seventh. Well,
Speaker 3: we'll heke it's still available.
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Speaker 1: All right, David, before we let you go, tell everybody
Speaker 1: one more time where they can go for this very
Speaker 1: worthy samas dot Awards event and where they should check
Speaker 1: it out all that good stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find it on Real Clear. Any of
Speaker 2: the Real Clear site should have an advertising up for it.
Speaker 2: If you just type samas dot you can do it
Speaker 2: is s A M I Z D E A T.
Speaker 2: We're going to have it down at the Breakers March seventh,
Speaker 2: this Thursday. There's still tickets available, and you know there's
Speaker 2: one great reason to go, and it's because Buck Sexton
Speaker 2: is going to be there.
Speaker 3: I would and again I don't think you would mind.
Speaker 2: It's like we're going to have we're going to honor
Speaker 2: three people, but it's going to be a room full
Speaker 2: of people that deserve the bird that we're going to
Speaker 2: be giving out to the people there, as kind of
Speaker 2: are saying, would just kind of turn it off this way.
Speaker 2: We live in a society where we actually get more
Speaker 2: of what we praise, and I think we have to
Speaker 2: praise the First Amendment, that people have the courage for it.
Speaker 2: You know, the Pubitur Prize has bent the arc of journalism,
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's bent it the right way.
Speaker 2: I think what we want to do is start something
Speaker 2: this week, stand it up, and hopefully over time, not
Speaker 2: only will we reward and praise the people who keep
Speaker 2: us free, we might actually not actually have to go
Speaker 2: underground and live in a Samostat world.
Speaker 1: There we go, David de Roziers of Real Clear Politics.
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. I will see you Thursday. I hope
Speaker 1: other people go check it out, and if they're in
Speaker 1: the area or they want to be in the area
Speaker 1: for it, go get yourself a ticket. It'll be fun.
Speaker 3: A couple of rooms at my house from my closest friends.
Speaker 1: David Bucks, my fancy moves on the dance floor. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much, David. Good to see you.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Byy