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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented by New Era DJ

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Speaker 1: and Bucky. Here and Buck. We've got a unique episode today.

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Speaker 1: We have fun offseason going through our position prototype series.

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Speaker 1: We got college football getting ready to crank up too, though.

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Speaker 1: We thought it would be fun to take a quick

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Speaker 1: quick trip across town as a whole, across the twenty gone.

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Speaker 1: He's at the forty. He'll go all the way a

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Speaker 1: hundred and three yards of Doory Jackson touchdown USA. Here's

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Speaker 1: Donald rolling out of the pocket, fires back down, touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Let's see Donald wines fakes throws touchdown. J Smith Schuster,

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Speaker 1: Joo Jue Smith Schuster. How do you do? I think

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Speaker 1: what has been fascinating offline? We've talked a lot about

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Speaker 1: team building and how UH coaches and organizations kind of

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Speaker 1: down the block to go to USC tell the Clay

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Speaker 1: Hilt and his staff about how they're planning on rebuilding Detrojans,

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Speaker 1: trying to get them to bounce back from a disappointing

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Speaker 1: five and seven year in eighteen to potentially being a

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Speaker 1: team advised for the title and depict I know some

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Speaker 1: people might listen right now, I say, look, I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't care for us. I'm not a USC fan.

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Speaker 1: What what? Why am I listening to this? Let me

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Speaker 1: give you some ideas here why you should stick around,

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Speaker 1: because you're gonna get a chance to talk to Graham Harrold.

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Speaker 1: Who if you're an NFL fan, one of the big

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Speaker 1: storylines is gonna be Kyler Murray and how Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: plays this year in Cliff Kingsbury's offense. What does that

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Speaker 1: offense look like? Well, Graham Harrold played in that same

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Speaker 1: exact offense and coaches that exact same offense. So somebody's

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Speaker 1: played quarterback, somebody that's coaching that scheme. You're gonna get

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Speaker 1: a good feel for what that scheme looks like, what

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Speaker 1: that Arizona Cardinals offense might look like. So a great

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Speaker 1: conversation with him, Uh, not only on what he's doing,

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Speaker 1: what the Cardinals offense could be doing, but really what

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Speaker 1: the future of the passing game could look like in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah, I think it's gonna be a fascinating discussion.

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Speaker 1: Everyone is intrigued by the air raid. Uh, we've seen

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Speaker 1: The last couple of guys have had a lot of success,

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Speaker 1: Jerry Golf being one, Pat Mahomes been another. We've seen

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Speaker 1: talking about Lincoln Riley and what Lincoln Riley could do

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Speaker 1: if he gets an opportunity in the league, it's a

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Speaker 1: great opportunity to have a conversation with someone who really

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Speaker 1: knows that system, like you know what, Also gonna get

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Speaker 1: a chance to talk with somebody you had a hand

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Speaker 1: in scouting and drafting and Carry Colbert, who's the receiver's

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Speaker 1: coach there at usc fund conversation with him. Uh, somebody

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Speaker 1: that's worked for Nick Saban coaching the SEC played at USCO.

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Speaker 1: Was great teams National champion there at USC so comparing

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Speaker 1: that the cultures between a Pete Carroll and Nick Saban.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating conversation with Kerry Colbert and then coach Clay Helton,

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Speaker 1: somebody who was first two years as a head coach,

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Speaker 1: Pack twelve champion, Rose Bowl champion. Last year, Uh didn't

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Speaker 1: go well. Sam Donald was not there. You saw this

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Speaker 1: about culture and how do you build a sustaining culture

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Speaker 1: up with coach Helton as well. Yeah, great to catch

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Speaker 1: with one of the bright young minds in college football

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Speaker 1: right now. Graham Harrow is a rising star offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: Graham Harrold Graham. First of all, how's it been settling

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Speaker 1: So why change it now or at any level. You know,

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Speaker 1: Let's just go out there and have fun. So no

431
00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,439
Speaker 1: matter where we go over, we have a ton of

432
00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,199
Speaker 1: fun and or try to regardless to what's going on

433
00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,760
Speaker 1: around us. Um, but to get to do it with

434
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Speaker 1: a group of guys that we get to do it with,

435
00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,040
Speaker 1: especially the caliber of the character of the guys that

436
00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,080
Speaker 1: we have, UM, that's probably been my favorite part. And

437
00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,280
Speaker 1: then again working is a really really good man. And

438
00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,320
Speaker 1: so getting to work for a man that's you know

439
00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,520
Speaker 1: that they gets it and understands it, wants you to

440
00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,919
Speaker 1: have a life and and uh, he's truly a good man.

441
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,560
Speaker 1: He cares about you and his guys. Uh. It's it's

442
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Speaker 1: made the transition to Southern California even that much more fun.

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Speaker 1: It's a fantastic Thanks so much for your time. We

444
00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,760
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Not a problem block. You get a chance

445
00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,640
Speaker 1: to visit with Graham Harrow. I didn't know him coming

446
00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,399
Speaker 1: into this conversation. But man, after spending some time with him,

447
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,440
Speaker 1: it's hard not to believe that this guy is gonna

448
00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,320
Speaker 1: be a head coach here in short order. Yeah, it's

449
00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,600
Speaker 1: hard enough to believe it because we know what's gonna happen.

450
00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,720
Speaker 1: We know that offensive guys, guys who are able to

451
00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,439
Speaker 1: put up points and can get an opportunity to get

452
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Speaker 1: a bite of app And when it comes to being

453
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Speaker 1: a head coach with Graham Harrowd, the success that he

454
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Speaker 1: has had directing an office to success that he had

455
00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,840
Speaker 1: as a player and just being tied to this system

456
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Speaker 1: is if he's able to do it on a big

457
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Speaker 1: stage at USC and get this office up and rolling

458
00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,480
Speaker 1: with all the weapons that he has in place, a

459
00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,360
Speaker 1: big job is gonna come knock. And because I think

460
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,000
Speaker 1: he has an opportunity to really show people how he's

461
00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,960
Speaker 1: able to take the air Ray to another level when

462
00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,399
Speaker 1: given a level players. The thing I love about him

463
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,920
Speaker 1: from a background standpoint, and I don't think people notice,

464
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,960
Speaker 1: but as scouts, a lot of times personnel department will

465
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,280
Speaker 1: send you out in the fall and say, hey, guys,

466
00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,840
Speaker 1: we were always looking for the next wave of coaches,

467
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,120
Speaker 1: whether it be you know, position coaches, coordinators or even

468
00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,800
Speaker 1: potential head coaches down the line. And I think when

469
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Speaker 1: you look at his background, having been with with Aaron

470
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 1: Rodgers and backed him up as a player and seeing

471
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Speaker 1: what greatness looks like at the quarterback position, and then

472
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 1: also the fact he's the son of a coach, you,

473
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,800
Speaker 1: as a son of a coach, appreciate it more than anybody.

474
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Speaker 1: Buck Um. There's something about those guys coaches that were

475
00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 1: raised in a coaching household. Something he said for that, Yeah,

476
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,439
Speaker 1: something to absolutely be said for that, because I do

477
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,760
Speaker 1: believe his uh intelligence and overall the awareness of the game,

478
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,359
Speaker 1: the team building process and how all of the pieces

479
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 1: of the puzzle will fit together, comes from being in

480
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Speaker 1: the house with the coach. And so he definitely is

481
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Speaker 1: a guy that I'm keeping my own. I can't wait

482
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Speaker 1: to see what he does with his offense because look, privately,

483
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 1: he talked about having special players at his disposal. I

484
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 1: can't wait to see how he deploys those players on

485
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,639
Speaker 1: the chessboard. Absolutely great conversation there with Graham Harrold. All right,

486
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 1: next up it's again Buck, somebody you've known for a

487
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 1: very long time. I had a chance to scout him

488
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 1: as well, a really good player, who's another one of

489
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Speaker 1: these bright young coaches. It's got a great future and

490
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,400
Speaker 1: a really interesting background. Here's our conversation with USC wide

491
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Speaker 1: receiver coach Carry Colbert. All right, Buck, excited for our

492
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Speaker 1: next guests, and I know you're extremely excited. I'm really excited.

493
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 1: You guys. Go back a little bit here we do.

494
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Speaker 1: We do, go way way back somewhere somewhere in the

495
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Speaker 1: repertoire we have Carry Colbert. Is why receiver cords? You

496
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: have so many titles on your business car receiver coach,

497
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Speaker 1: tight end coach, then to wide receivers, receivers more for

498
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,400
Speaker 1: only the second round pick of the Carolina Panthers when

499
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Speaker 1: I was working to the West coast, so I could

500
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Speaker 1: claim you as one of my guys as you should,

501
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 1: as you should, and I did. How's everything going great? Great?

502
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 1: Love being back home at us See and had a

503
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Speaker 1: great spring. Excited for this season and excited to be

504
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Speaker 1: sitting here with y'all. What's the message you give these

505
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Speaker 1: guys when you get named as the wide receiver coach

506
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: already on campus, you're coaching at the tight ends. What

507
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 1: was your first message to the group. I mean, you know,

508
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 1: there's already been a standard standard set from uh, you know,

509
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Speaker 1: previous years at the USC, So really there's nothing that

510
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: I need to say, but um, I'm definitely gonna hold

511
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Speaker 1: them to that standard, just like it has been done

512
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Speaker 1: in years past. And UM, I was just excited to

513
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Speaker 1: get you know, in the room with those guys. Are great,

514
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,120
Speaker 1: talented bunch of guys, and uh, I'm excited to help

515
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Speaker 1: them and watch them play. Okay, So now we can

516
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Speaker 1: be real. It's just so now that you've had an

517
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Speaker 1: opportunity to get your hands on how tough was it

518
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Speaker 1: in previous years to kind of look over the other

519
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: side of the field and see what they're doing. And

520
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 1: now you get a chance to kind of put your

521
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Speaker 1: mark and put your hands on them. Consider some of

522
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Speaker 1: the guys that you've had in the past, I wouldn't

523
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Speaker 1: say it was tough. Um, you know they were. They

524
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Speaker 1: were coached well in the past by T Martin who

525
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 1: had been here, been the receiver coach here and offensive

526
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Speaker 1: coordinator here for for a number of years. Um, and

527
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: I had tight ends. So there's a past game element

528
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: in that position that you know that I was always

529
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: excited about and and being able to kind of talk

530
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: about routes in the past game and stuff like that.

531
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Speaker 1: So I was getting my fixed per se, you know

532
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, from a past perspective. And then I

533
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 1: was also learned a whole bunch, you know, having to

534
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 1: be involved in the run game and stuff like that.

535
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Speaker 1: And I learned a whole bunch. And I learned a

536
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: bunch from t being here as well. Like I said,

537
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Speaker 1: he was a great wide receiver coach, great offense coordinating

538
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: and great mind. So, um, it was fun though. I

539
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 1: always supported those guys in that room, and you know,

540
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: of course I'm gonna be tied to that room just

541
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Speaker 1: as a former player here. But um, you know, I'm

542
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 1: excited to be in the room this year. I go

543
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: back to to scouting you back in those days alongside

544
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: Buck and and think about toughness and route running. Where

545
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Speaker 1: the two words that came out when when we're studying

546
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 1: you and things that jumped out about you. But if

547
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Speaker 1: you're gonna build and construct the perfect wide receiver, what

548
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: goes into that mix? What's that ingredient? I think you

549
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: said it toughness, route running, ability to just to make

550
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: plays on the ball at the end of the day. Um,

551
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, I've played with UH forced enough to play

552
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 1: with Steve Smith and Carolina, who wasn't the tallest of

553
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: guys UM, very fast, very tough. I played in Detroit

554
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: with Calvin Johnson who was really really tall, long fast,

555
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Speaker 1: And so I say that to say I play with

556
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Speaker 1: guys with on both sides of the spectrum as far

557
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 1: as measurables. But at the end of the day, both

558
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 1: of those guys were tough. Both of those guys may

559
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: plays on the ball, they're playmakers, and I think that's important,

560
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: you know. And UH, that's the thing that always kind

561
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: of preached to our guys. We're not all gonna be

562
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: the same individually, but at the end of the day,

563
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, we have to make a play on the

564
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: football when the balls in the air. And thinking about receivers,

565
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: if you could pick a trade between these two trades,

566
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: which one would you pick for your perfect wide receiver.

567
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: Would it be athleticism or route running the build man, UM,

568
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: That's a great question. Um. Athleticism, UH is a great

569
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: trade to have, UM, you know, because at the end

570
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: of the day, you can run a pretty bad route

571
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: and if you can make a play on the ball

572
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,160
Speaker 1: athletically whether it's because you can jump or be as

573
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: you're fast or something like that. I mean, I think

574
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: that's something that that kind of goes unnoticed, you know

575
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, I mean, but for me tech,

576
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I was I was probably more of a

577
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: route running guy because I mean I had some athleticism

578
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: to me. But um, I had to be a little

579
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: more precise and try to create separation in other ways

580
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 1: because I wasn't the biggest, fastest, tallest on any of

581
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: the teams I've ever played on. But um, I'm trying

582
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: to find those complete receivers anyway. But man, I was

583
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: about to throw you out the room if you're gonna

584
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,479
Speaker 1: stick with you after all the conversations, so you know,

585
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: I was like, you see how I circled it back.

586
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: I circled it back, Like, come on, for ten years

587
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: we've talked about guys who could run routes, guys who

588
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: were craftsman. And then you canna give me that I was.

589
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna stop the town. I wasn't gonna do that.

590
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: I was gonna tie it. I was gonna tie it

591
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: all together. He did. He brought it all back around.

592
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: A talk that's for y'all young wide receivers and wide

593
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: receiver coaches out there, you gotta when they ask questions,

594
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: you gotta figure out what used to kind of tie

595
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: back to your answer. You know so, I want to

596
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: ask you this because this goes back to our time.

597
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: Like in Carolina, we would talk at the cafeteria table.

598
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: We're always got a sense that you wanted to coach.

599
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: We used to talk about offense and terminology and plays

600
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: and Lane Kiffin and how you guys did it in

601
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: the heyday and those things. What has the transition been

602
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: like going from being a player on the field to

603
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: now being a mentor and a leader in that wide

604
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: receiver room. For me personally, on all the teams that

605
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: I've played on, I've kind of always been in that

606
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: role per se in the locker room, whether it was

607
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: I don't say a player coach, but I've always helped

608
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: guys out, whether it's high school, college or NFL. I

609
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: was always trying to Like for me, learning the playbook

610
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: was never an issue, and I would learn all the

611
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: spots and then at that point I would always try

612
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: to help guys. You know. So, um, going into this

613
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: role in a coaching manner, you know, with coach in

614
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: front of my name, I've I've done this for a

615
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: long time. I've been doing it as a player. Um,

616
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: but you know, you still have to learn certain things

617
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: as a coach. You gotta learn how your players learn.

618
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: Uh they might learn different some our visual some could

619
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, you can tell them something, they can do

620
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: it on the spot. So Uh, that's another thing that

621
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: that I've had to learn. I've had to learn, you know,

622
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: through through coaching, through these years. And but you know,

623
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying it. It's the closest thing to play. And

624
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: always tell people that want to get into coaching, you know,

625
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: and they tell you you're too old, you're too slow,

626
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: you're not good enough. You know, this is the closest

627
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: thing to playing, you know what I'm saying. So that's

628
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: why I'm sitting in this share today. How's it different

629
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Speaker 1: just player wise? Go back to your day playing here

630
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: on this campus to to what you get now with

631
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: young kids as they're coming up through the process. What's

632
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: just overall difference, the difference between the kids that you

633
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 1: played with versus the kids you're now coaching. Uh. Well,

634
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: I think social media, of course, is probably the biggest

635
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: thing that. You know, it's the difference and what a

636
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: lot of people talk about. Um, you know, the fact

637
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: that you have so much access to these players. You

638
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: can see them on Instagram. They all have a following.

639
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: Back in the day, it was like, can you imagine

640
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: if and had Instagram? I can't imagine. But you know,

641
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: and I think it's easy because you know, when they

642
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: were kind of at the end of their career. You know,

643
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Speaker 1: there was a there's a network television show and I

644
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: don't want to say, but three letters. I don't know

645
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: how how that works, but you know, they were kind

646
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: of becoming popular, so you would see stuff or you

647
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: would hear stuff with them on the website and stuff

648
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: like that. But that was kind of like the closest

649
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: thing you've got. But nowadays, I mean, you can just

650
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: go to a person's Twitter page or Instagram and they're

651
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: gonna tell you the whole story about them. So you know,

652
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: a lot of players need to know you gotta be

653
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: careful out there. You know what you're doing and saying,

654
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: saying and doing out there. But um, I don't know,

655
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think that's probably the biggest thing. Um,

656
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 1: And I'm actually glad I didn't grow up in this

657
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: era because it's just it's a lot of pressure. Part

658
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: of it a distraction, and part of it it's pressure, um,

659
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, as opposed to just being focused on the

660
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: work and and really focused on the team aspect. And

661
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: you're in the brotherhood, you know, you you go into

662
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: locker rooms. Nowadays, everybody's just doing this with the with

663
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: the phone and stuff and as opposed to kind of

664
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: interacting with one another. And that's the one thing that

665
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: I would say that you know, I think that they

666
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: miss out on a little bit real quick. Is there

667
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: is there an instance you obviously don't give us a name,

668
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 1: but has there been somebody that you've been recruiting over

669
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: the last couple of years when you come across something

670
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: on social media where you say I'm out. Yeah, there's

671
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: there's some times where there's some red flags that you

672
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: know that kind of pop up on social media. Um,

673
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: but you still want to you want to get the

674
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: big picture. You you still wanna evaluate the talent of

675
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: the player, maybe the person and dig you know what

676
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: I mean, because sometimes they're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen year old

677
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: young men and and maybe they just don't know or

678
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: maybe you know, is it a reflection of them as

679
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: a whole, or maybe it was just a bad decision,

680
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: you know. So I try not to always just lump

681
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: them in a category. If you see one bad thing,

682
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, he's a bad person. It's like, well,

683
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: that's why we dig and we we we we we

684
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: interview coaches and counselors and teachers and and everybody else,

685
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: you know. So um, but there are things that are

686
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: red flags and that kind of put us on alert,

687
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, Carrie and and and thinking about that because

688
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: in this time we talk about social media, so many

689
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: guys are kind of fixed, say did and obsessed with

690
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: building their brand. But yet you're trying to build a

691
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: championship team. So when it comes to the culture, how

692
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: do you get guys to kind of forsake some of

693
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: the ego stuff to really buy into doing something that's

694
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: bigger than them. Well that that starts at the top

695
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: of the program. And and and that's the one thing

696
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: in recruiting that you want to make sure that you're

697
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: recruiting the right person. You know, are you coming here?

698
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: Is USC a stepping stone to get to the next level,

699
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 1: And we talk about the next level a lot, you know,

700
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: because it's it's the history of our school. We've had

701
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: five and nine draft picks and you know, which is

702
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: the most in college football history. But um, you also

703
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: want to win a national championship. And when you're on

704
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: national championship teams, guys will get drafted and guys will

705
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: play and and uh, I think for for for us

706
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: as a staff, you know, we want to make sure

707
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: we're bringing in the right people that are focused on

708
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: the right thing, which is the team first, and then

709
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: all the other stuff will come after that. If we're

710
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: going back and describing the teams you played on, great teams, historically,

711
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: great teams, you know, what do those teams have that

712
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: this current team you're coaching needs to get? Like what

713
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: what is what is that gap right there? Well, you

714
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: know the one thing I would say is, uh, we

715
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: we learned how to deal with adversity. Um. We pushed

716
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,239
Speaker 1: each other, we held each other accountable. UM. And I

717
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: think those were really signs of of us being a

718
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: good team and it and it helped us be a

719
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 1: good team. UM. And I think every team has certain

720
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: points of a year or a season where you might

721
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: go through adversity. Um, you might face some things and

722
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: how are you gonna push through it? So, um, you

723
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: know it remains to be seen, of course, because we

724
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: haven't played a game yet, but they're working hard now,

725
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: Uh in our weight room program or our strength program.

726
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm sorry with uh, Coach Aaron Osmas And Uh, that's

727
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: the foundation of a great season. Obviously, it starts in

728
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: the in the strength and condition and program. So I think, Uh,

729
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: everybody's excited about how it's starting, and we just gotta

730
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: weather the storm. And there's gonna be a point in

731
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: that season where we just gotta stay together and and

732
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: and and fight on, like we say at USC. So well,

733
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: you know it will remain to be seen. You know.

734
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: It's funny because I want to go back to that

735
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: in a in a different way, that same question, because

736
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: you've been on successful teams and you've seen what sc

737
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: can be. When you have a team that is coming

738
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: off a successful season and they want to get back

739
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: to the standard, how do you pump that confidence back

740
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: in there? Well, I think confidence is gained through repetition,

741
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: So in practice, I mean competing against another good player

742
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: across from you, you know, Iron Sharpen's Iron coach Helton

743
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: talks about that a lot. That's gonna help us, you know. Uh,

744
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: we have we have some very talented people on our team, UM,

745
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 1: you know, and and I think the goal for for

746
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: us individually and collectively as unit is just to come

747
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: out and work hard every day and understand that, um,

748
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, the work we put out on the practice field, UM,

749
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: it'll help us to when we get out there on saturdays,

750
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and and executing on Saturdays,

751
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: and and having that confidence just knowing that we had

752
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: a tough year last year of course, and that's not

753
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: up to our standard. Um. But you know, again, we

754
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: have to learn from those mistakes and those instances and

755
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: just continue to use it as fuel and motivation to

756
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: to move forward and have a great year. Spent a

757
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: couple years there at Alabama and being around Coach Save

758
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: and haven't been around Coach Carroll obviously, there's a lot

759
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: of differences between those guys. Uh, just winning and and um,

760
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, they're great coaches in the in in two

761
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: opposite sides of the spectrum as far as UM styles.

762
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's all about competition,

763
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: and it's all about competing and executing and being the

764
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: best you you can be, you know what I'm saying.

765
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: So the best Bucky, the best carry and and at

766
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know, they're gonna be

767
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: held or I'm gonna be held accountable for whatever my

768
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: job is. And if I'm supposed to be at twelve

769
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: yards on a route's supposed to block the safety, I

770
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: have to do that and and they're gonna hold me

771
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: accountable to that. And I think that was the one

772
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: thing I learned was that they held people accountable, uh,

773
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: to whatever their job responsibility was within the organization. And

774
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: of course they have a lot of great players, but

775
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: I think it's really accountability to to be great and

776
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: to do the right things. Were you had the most fun,

777
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: Were you have the most fun? Which which program had both?

778
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: Because winning, because winning winning when the fun is in

779
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: the winning. So you know, you know, it was fortunate

780
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: enough to win a national championship here as a player

781
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: in two thousand three with coach Carroll, and I was

782
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to win a national championship on the coaching

783
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: side at Alabama and twenty So, um, I mean, they're

784
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: they're both, They're both sweet. I'm curious about this one

785
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: just because the perception being what it is, West Coast

786
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: versus Southern football, and you've got a chance to get

787
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of both now so so and look,

788
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: we both went to college in the South, all grew

789
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: up on the West Coast, so we've got we've got

790
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: dual citizenship. But I'm getting at but the perception from

791
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: the outside is everybody in SEC country thinks football out

792
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: here is that? Is that the way it was down there?

793
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: Uh it's not soft on the West Coast. Let me

794
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: just put that disclaim. But the perception down there, no doubt.

795
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: And I think part of it is is is the

796
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: time zone, and they don't really watch a lot of

797
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: the games on the pack in the Pack twelve on

798
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: the West Coast. But uh, it's a different animal, you

799
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying out there. But uh again, you

800
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: know we've played those teams, you know when I was

801
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: a player here at SC and and and and after. Uh,

802
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: I mean we played other ones too, But you know

803
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But at the end of the day,

804
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: like SC is is the top uh of the pack

805
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: or the West or whatever, just over the time over

806
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: in history. So we can play in any conference at

807
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: the end of the day. Um, when we're executing at

808
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: a high level, we're gonna get the best players in

809
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: the country. You know what I'm saying. Uh, So we're

810
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: confident in that and and obviously we just gotta continue

811
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 1: to work to to be at that level. I appreciate

812
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: your time, Man, join us here. It's like watching two

813
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: old friends get together here. It's been enjoyable. We have

814
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: some good conversations. Man, back in the day. This is

815
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: my guy I'm talking about at the lunch room and

816
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: all the time. So that's fantastic. We do. We wish

817
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: you the best of luck this year. It's gonna be

818
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: fun to watch you as you continue on your coaching

819
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: career as well. Thank you. I appreciate it, Man. Fascinating

820
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: discussion with Carry Copan And I'll say this, like I

821
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: always knew Carry we wanted to be a coach just

822
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: having private conversations with him when we were together with

823
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers, I just kind of felt like he

824
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: had it, you know, I felt like he had um

825
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: not only the intelligence, but the overall perspective on what

826
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: it took to be a really good coach and how

827
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: to convey and pass on that information. And look, I

828
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: think the proof is in the putting. He has worked

829
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: for two talented coaches, obviously Pete Carroll and Nick Saban,

830
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: the guys that he's been around at the wide receiver position,

831
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: being able to talk about Amari Cooper and then some

832
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: of those young guys at Alabama. Now this next wave

833
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: of USC wide receivers, he is going to have his

834
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: hands on some guys that we talked about being stars

835
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: in the league for the next five teen years. And

836
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: so that perspective that he brings, I think everyone should

837
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: be able to understand why the guys that have been

838
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: under his direction I played at a high level haven't

839
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: haven't been in that room, haven't been in a wide

840
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: receiver room. I'm curious about this, having played the position

841
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: as a position coach at that position, at the wide

842
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: receiver position, where personalities can be all over the mist,

843
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: how important is it And is there a difference between

844
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: a coach who actually played the position. I think so.

845
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: I think a coach who has actually played the position

846
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: kind of understands what you're dealing with when it comes

847
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: to the mentality. Um. Look, by nature, wide receivers can

848
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: be selfish because it's a position where you can't impact

849
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: the game unless you have the ball. So as you're

850
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: depended upon the quarterback getting you the ball, you depended

851
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: on the offensive play caller making sure that he keeps

852
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: you in mind and make sure that you're a factor.

853
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: And so sometimes those personalities can wander off. So you

854
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: have to have the right guy who can kind of

855
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: hurt the cats. As I say, bring him back, keep

856
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: him in line, keep him challenge, and keep him focused.

857
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: I think Carrie is able to do that because he

858
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: has a lot of guys, a lot of alpha personalities

859
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: in that room at sc He's able to kind of

860
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: get all those guys moving in the right direction, no doubt.

861
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: All right, great common station with Carry Colbert. Next up,

862
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: it's the headman. It's Clay Hilton, the coach. You can

863
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: make a case Buck maybe under as much pressure as

864
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: any coach in the country coming into this season. Oh absolutely,

865
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: He's under a tremendous amount of pressure. The standard is

866
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: so high at s C from what they expect from

867
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: their football team. This is a program that expects to

868
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: contend for national championships on a very regular basis, and

869
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to do that. And so it's

870
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: incoming upon Clay hunting to get this program to the

871
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: next level, coming off a disappointed season where the office

872
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: didn't look good, defense lacked a little discipline, a lot

873
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: of pressure him to get them right. I think you're

874
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: gonna find a theme in this conversation. See if you

875
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: can pick it out. But I think it'll be pretty evident,

876
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: and you'll enjoy this conversation with USC head coach Clay Helton.

877
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: All right, Buck excited to be joined by our friend

878
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: Coach Helton here. And we get a chance to visit

879
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: with your coach each and every year, but this time

880
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: we we we've got your little hobbled here. You gotta

881
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: give us a story. Well, it's hard getting old, I

882
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: guess no. I just got a little small partial tear

883
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: of the Achilles and I'm getting over here for the

884
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. And now I know what KB

885
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: was going through and feel for him mercy, and he

886
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: had a full rupture minds just that big I'm I'm

887
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: not as tough as KB. See I fully committed. You

888
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: know you're not. I don't know if you're fully committed.

889
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: Just partially rupturing that thing I did the whole thing.

890
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: That's that fun. It's like a no, how's everything going

891
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: through the spring? It seems like there's a there's just

892
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: a great vibe and talking to everybody around campus as

893
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: we have so far today, there's a great energy about

894
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: this program right now. Yeah, it's kind of a fresh

895
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: start for us, you know, bringing in not only some

896
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: new players, but also you know, some new coaches. To

897
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: have a Graham herald here um who really has brought

898
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: a fresh energy and a new system, uh offensively for

899
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: our kids that I think really fits our personnel. And

900
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, to be able to watch it for fifteen

901
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: practices five weeks over spring training and see that vibe

902
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: and see that energy and see how much our kids

903
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: believe not only in the system but in Graham, it

904
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: was just so nice. Uh, it was a lot of fun,

905
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: most fun I've had in twenty five years, to be

906
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: honest with you. To see the ball being slung around

907
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: and all skill players getting a chance to touch it,

908
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: and and uh, it was a It was a great

909
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: spring And I have to give a lot of credit

910
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: to Graham and what he got got accomplished over over

911
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: five weeks. Coach, when you're leader of program, how do

912
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: you know when to hit the reset button? Like it's

913
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: tough because you've been around a lot of guys, a

914
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: lot of guys that you've coached, which for a long time.

915
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: How do you know when it's time to You know,

916
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: I need to hit the reset button to give our

917
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: kids the best chance. But you know when I basically

918
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: what I had viewed and this is gonna be my

919
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: tense season at USC, and it's been. It's been an

920
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: absolutely honor in my life to be here, to be

921
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: able to see an offensive system that basically still had

922
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: some of the same plays in it from two thousand

923
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: and one when coach Carroll was here UM and has

924
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: has been a part of some brilliant coaches coach Kiff

925
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: and coached Arcasian, UM coach t Martin UM, and it

926
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: had got the playbook had gotten so big and so

927
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: very much verbiage that I really thought some of our

928
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: players are getting mentally handcuffed. And I wanted our young

929
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: kids were where a younger football team, really talented football team,

930
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: but a younger football team. And I thought a simpler system,

931
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: UM the opportunity to take advantage of the personnel we had.

932
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: UM brought in Cliff at at at first Cliff Kingsbury

933
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: uh kind of showed my hand the direction we were going. UM.

934
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: And then Cliff gets an amazing opportunity at Arizona to

935
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: be able to get Graham in here and and run

936
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: a very similar style system, very similar philosophy. Um. It

937
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: really has jumped started us as a football team. Uh.

938
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: And uh So it's been nice to see. It's been

939
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: a lot of fun to have, but you know, you

940
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: have to do what you feel is best in the

941
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: moment for your football team. And and when we got

942
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: done with that season, I felt like we needed a

943
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: fresh start. It's interestingly the way you kind of phrase

944
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: it about, um, the offense building on top of each

945
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: other year after you look at the NFL level, it's

946
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: an advantage when you're looking at Tom Brady and Josh

947
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: McDaniels and Bill Belichick being together. But at the college level,

948
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: you're having a cycle in new players every three, four

949
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: or five years. So that's gotta be a major difference.

950
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: And you're talking about coaching at the NFL over courts

951
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: in the college. Yeah, we don't have long I mean

952
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: you look at us, and I've been fortunate enough to

953
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: being here for ten years, and you hit the Jujuice

954
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: Smith Schusters and the Dory Jackson's Um, the Nelson Aglars,

955
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: Robert Woods, and they were all here just five semesters.

956
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: They were here two and a half years and then

957
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: moved on to the NFL. So when you when they

958
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 1: come in these kids are able to play and able

959
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: to play quickly, and to be able to give them

960
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: an offense that they can come in learning quickly and

961
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: get on the field as freshman. I think that's advantageous.

962
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: I mean to go from the old West Coast pro

963
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: tiles system that was you know, I write the short

964
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: a forty two time, why shallow X in to now

965
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 1: all of a sudden's cross me? So it provides uh,

966
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: you know, I've always thought confusion and creates hesitation and

967
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: young players, and hesitations you know, one get you beat

968
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: but probably gets you hurt. So if you can eliminate

969
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: that confusion from players, allow them just to play fast, um,

970
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the best team you can possibly have,

971
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, and thinking about that because it is a

972
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: program shift, but it's kind of the landscape of football

973
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: now now more and every we're seeing these five star

974
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: recruits coming get right on the field. Um, how has

975
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: that changed the way you view playing freshman because of

976
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: the recruiting and having the kind of stock problem when

977
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: you have so many guys that are able to leave

978
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: early to go to the pros. Yeah, you know, we're

979
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: very fortunate here in the young men that we bring.

980
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: They're all very talented, but they're also I appreciate them

981
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: because they're so competitive. They're they're willing to compete. They

982
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 1: welcome competition. I mean, I remember a Dory Jackson would

983
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: not take a rep unless Jujuice Smith Schuster was right

984
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: across from them, you know. And and that's what you

985
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: want on a football team is to have kids that

986
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: want to come in, want to compete. Uh know that, Yes,

987
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fail sometimes, but those failures I'm gonna learn

988
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: from going against the best of the best on a

989
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: daily basis. And that's what you get here at USC.

990
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: That's why you come to USC. You're gonna get to

991
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: sharpen your sword. A good man sharpens a good man.

992
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: And Uh to be able to have in a Dory

993
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: Jackson across from a juju Smith Schuster, and you really

994
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: become the best version of yourself as a player and

995
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: as a competitor. That's why you come to see one

996
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: of the things I was reading about during the off season,

997
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: as you've kind of taken a step back and be

998
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: able to evaluate. I believe he's used the word discipline

999
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: over and over again. You've had officials out here a

1000
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: bunch during the spring. Um. How has that benefited you

1001
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: from just by being able to just step back a

1002
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: little bit and see everything as it's going on. Well,

1003
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: I've always thought in a leader pace ship position, when

1004
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: you have a great season or or you're in a

1005
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: business and you have a great year in business, that

1006
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: you give all the accolades you know to the people

1007
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: around you. Um. And then you know, when you don't

1008
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: have a great season, you need to own it and

1009
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: you need to force yourself to reevaluate not only yourself,

1010
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: but what is going on in your organization. And you know,

1011
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: when I looked at it, you went a Rose Bowl

1012
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 1: like we did two years ago, you went a Pack

1013
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: twelve title the next year, and then you have a dip.

1014
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: You have to look at and say, okay, what happened?

1015
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: And for me, it was really the discipline of the game.

1016
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: You know, with penalties, it was turning the turning the

1017
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: ball over, and it was a lack of fundamentals and technique.

1018
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: When you watch the tape, it was just evident. And

1019
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, we lost four games down the stretch by

1020
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: seven points or less. And when I looked at it,

1021
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: truly believe we beat ourselves. Um. I felt like we

1022
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: had enough talent on the field to compete with anybody

1023
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: we were playing against and having put ourselves in a

1024
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: chance to win, and we beat ourselves with penalties, turnovers

1025
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: and lack of fundamentals. And that's my job as a

1026
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: head coach. And you gotta look yourself in the I mean,

1027
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: those are those are is how do you go about solving?

1028
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: So what we did in spring, Um, we obviously you

1029
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: mentioned one. I really felt that it was important to

1030
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: bring referees to every practice and give real time information

1031
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: to our players and take the time to explain, Hey,

1032
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: this is why you got that penalty. You have the

1033
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: referee understand, explain it to him. Hey, your hand placement

1034
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: was in a in a poor position, your feet were

1035
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: not in the proper proper space, so you ended up

1036
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: holding a guy. Um, you know, and then the biggest

1037
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: thing that gets you sometimes, especially with eighteen to twenty

1038
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: one year olds is decision making penalties as them getting

1039
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: over emotional and as emotion goes up, intelligence usually goes down.

1040
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: Um is learning that that decision that you may just

1041
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: hurt your whole team. So you know what we did

1042
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: is every time a flag was thrown, kid would come out,

1043
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: he'd get his up downs and then he'd go and

1044
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: learn what he did wrong and and fix it. And

1045
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: if he made a decision making ability, we just stopped

1046
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: the entire practicing up down as an entire team. So

1047
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: everybody understood, hey, you make that decision, it's a one

1048
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,959
Speaker 1: fail all fail um from a turnover standpoint, Not only

1049
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: did we work on that an individual, more we took

1050
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: the time to explain and kind of educate the opportunities

1051
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: are out there when you see the ball loose as

1052
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: a defensive player, but also what causes turnovers. And you

1053
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: know we foresat on the kids is after practice said

1054
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: you may not have turned it over, but we saw

1055
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: it loose. So you got a little bit extra after practice.

1056
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: So guys got more in habitual muscle memory. And I

1057
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 1: think it really helps us to make that the point

1058
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: of emphasis. You get what you coach and Uh, you know,

1059
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: we really hope that will be the difference between last

1060
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: year and what we hope is a very successful two

1061
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen season. So coach and thinking about that and

1062
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: thinking about where USC has been when they've been at

1063
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: the pinnacle. Um, when you have a dip, how do

1064
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: you read go with that confidence? You talked about some

1065
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: of the on field things that you've done, but how

1066
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: do you rebuild the confidence in the kids and maybe

1067
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: even as a coach yourself. Yeah, you know, I think

1068
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: it starts right now with the summer the summer program

1069
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: and um, you know, we lost a good man and

1070
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: Ivan Lewis has a strengthen condition coach who went to

1071
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: the Seattle uh and was so fortunate to get Aaron

1072
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: Ostomas and his staff. You know, Aaron has been a

1073
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: part of two SEC programs. He's been at USC twice,

1074
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: he's ran this program before, and I had the opportunity

1075
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: to work with him and see him firsthand and what

1076
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: he is doing with our kids and and the and

1077
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: what he is doing from the mentality of our kids

1078
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: right now, I think it's uniquely special. Uh. You know,

1079
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: he is bonding those kids even on off days. I'm

1080
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: seeing eighty kids come in on their off day, you know,

1081
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: and having the opportunity to to continue to work and

1082
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: get better. So, UM, I think that that summer work

1083
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: that you have is a huge part of it. I

1084
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: credit Aaron for what he's doing right now. Double A.

1085
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: Get those guys that black powerlifting man. He does not

1086
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: mess around. They push weight down there. I can promise

1087
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: you that they're gonna be strong, and they're gonna weigh

1088
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: a lot. They're gonna they're gonna be big, no question.

1089
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: Being a head coach, you mentioned it, the best time

1090
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: of your life is your time here at USC. What's

1091
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: your favorite part about being the head coach? Us? Um,

1092
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: I think the players. I've always believed this game is

1093
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: about relationships, and UM, you know, when you get to

1094
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: wake up, I don't I don't got to do this job.

1095
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: I get to do it. And that's the way I've

1096
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: always looked. I wake up with a smile on my face. Um,

1097
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: there's never a bad day when you get to walk

1098
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: in here and you get to work with the likes

1099
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: of Michael Pittman and Almand Ross, Alman Ross St Brown

1100
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,959
Speaker 1: and John Houston and J two Felly and those type

1101
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: of guys, and you get to raise a young man

1102
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: from an eighteen year old to a twenty one year

1103
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: old professional, not only on the field, but off man.

1104
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: What a what a job, you know. We get to

1105
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: do this, we get to be educators. So UM, for me,

1106
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: it's always been an honor to do. It's something that

1107
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: I have a blast doing and to do it at

1108
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: what I feel is the pinnacle of college football with

1109
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: the most highest level elite athlete you can deal with. Um,

1110
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: it's it's what every coach aspires to be, you know, coach,

1111
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about culture. Um,

1112
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: this is a place that has a fantastic tradition. You

1113
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: obviously know it. How do you build your own culture

1114
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: while it's still kind of staying to the standards and

1115
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: traditions that have really made SC a decorated program. Yeah,

1116
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: I think one that everybody has to welcome the expectations

1117
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: of what SC is uh s C is about playing

1118
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: at the highest level and winning at the highest level.

1119
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: I think when you come here, you do not fear

1120
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: competition because you know it's gonna be around you on

1121
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: a daily basis, and that's real life. That's a part

1122
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: of the culture. It's also part part of setting a standard.

1123
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: You know, this place is a dred and twenty five

1124
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: year tradition of excellence on and off the field, and

1125
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: you know we set a standard for ourselves set it

1126
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what we're doing. Uh, you perform at the

1127
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: highest level and you give your absolute best effort. It

1128
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: doesn't matter whether it's academics, it doesn't matter whether it's

1129
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: on the field, whether it's our social life or spiritual life.

1130
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: It's that standard that trojans me it up to UM.

1131
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: I think that's a huge part and them knowing the

1132
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: expectations of when you walk in here, because it's like

1133
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 1: you're choosing your way of life. It's like a marine

1134
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: when he steps on the feet and gives his oath.

1135
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: You're choosing this way of life when you come to USC.

1136
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about being the son of

1137
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: a coach. Obviously, your father, very successful coach, longtime coach,

1138
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: Hire Graham Harrow was the son of a coach. And scouting,

1139
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: we're always looking at players, especially the quarterback position. You

1140
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: find guys the son of a coach that carries a

1141
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: little more weight in the room. What is it about

1142
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: being the son of a coach. That makes you a

1143
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: good coach. Well, I think that you learned the lessons

1144
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: of what how important it is uh to develop relationships.

1145
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: That's when my dad taught me. The first thing he

1146
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: always taught me about, son, you have a great coaches

1147
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: gained the trust to their players and you know, and

1148
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: they have to trust your character. They have to trust

1149
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: that that you have in your competent and knowledge to

1150
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: make them better. They have to trust that you care.

1151
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: And they have to trust that you're gonna be brutally

1152
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: honest with them, that you're not gonna kiss their butt.

1153
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: You're you're you got. Is that the hardest part, without questions,

1154
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: It's the hardest part to look at a young man

1155
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: in the eye and and tell him, hey, you can

1156
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: do this better. And I'm telling this is because I

1157
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: love you and I want you to be the best

1158
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: you can be. Um. But I think that's the biggest

1159
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: thing my dad taught me is this is not a business,

1160
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: especially in college. This is about building relationships, educating young

1161
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: men and being truthful, honest and and and caring for them.

1162
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: Loved them the coach them hard and love them hard

1163
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: as well. My dad always taught me, you know, coach.

1164
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: You come obviously from an offensive background. You've sentence to

1165
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: the role of being the head coach. How is it

1166
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: to manage the entire team as opposed to just kind

1167
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: of casting your eyes on the offense after growing up

1168
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: from kind of that being your baby for so long? Yeah,

1169
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, probably I always wondered why, you know, you

1170
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: go assistant coach in twenty years of being an assistant coach,

1171
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: and you ask yourself, Goshamighty, when was my time? When

1172
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: when's gonna be my time? And the Good Lord was

1173
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: watching after he do I needed twenty years experience, especially

1174
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: for this job. And you know the thing that you

1175
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: up learning that it's not just about the offense defense,

1176
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: especially if it's one combined group. And um, when I

1177
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: took the job having known several I've been around some great,

1178
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: great coaches and took the advice of great coaches, including

1179
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: my dad, and they also told me the same thing. Hey,

1180
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna you know. I know you love game planning.

1181
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: I know you love the offensive side of the ball,

1182
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: but it's about everybody, and it's about seeing the personnel defensively,

1183
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: seeing the personnel offensively, helping out in special teams. You know,

1184
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: putting your mark on each and everyone. Uh, your philosophy

1185
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: and what you believe in on each and everyone, each

1186
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: and every phase. So it is hard. It's one of

1187
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: the things that I have to stay disciplined in. It

1188
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: was not what easy when I first took the job,

1189
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: but uh, but I've learned that my my role, and

1190
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: everybody has a certain role, is the management of the

1191
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: entire team, not just the management of offense, but the

1192
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: entire team. How is the head coaching fraternity at the

1193
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: college level when we see it at the NFL level.

1194
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: You guys are visit with each other in the off season.

1195
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: Do you have a sounding board and there a couple

1196
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: of guys that you've got relationships with that you can

1197
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: kind of bounce Hey, this is what I'm dealing with

1198
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: right now. What do you got going on? Yeah, I've

1199
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: always believed that coaching is a brotherhood and fraternity. That's

1200
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 1: what my dad taught me. Um, you know, and we do.

1201
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: I mean, the better coaches that I've been around, Um,

1202
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: we've been able to lean on each other. Uh, I've

1203
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: never been in this situation, have you, Yes, tell me

1204
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: about it, you know, and and even in our own league,

1205
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: even against competitors. I'm gonna tell you, um Man, that

1206
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: I look up to a lot and consider a friend.

1207
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: David Shaw is one of those guys that you can

1208
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: ask him his opinion. He's gonna give it to Kyle Whittingham,

1209
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: Carous Peterson, the guys in this league, in the PACT twelve,

1210
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: and our outstanding coaches, and it's okay to ask advice

1211
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: and be able to bounce some ideas off off each other.

1212
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: That's that's who we are. It's a brotherhood, it's a fraternity,

1213
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: and and uh, we all make each other better, you know.

1214
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: I think about making each other better A lot of

1215
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 1: times when we think about college football, the SEC is

1216
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,959
Speaker 1: always kind of mentioned as the land, the pillar where

1217
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: you want to go. So when you're looking at the

1218
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: PAC twelve, you're looking at some of the changes. What

1219
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: are some of the differences in terms of competing in

1220
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,479
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve as opposed to competing in the SEC. Well,

1221
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: I think one, you know, when you look at us,

1222
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: I think competitively from top to bottom. The thing that

1223
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: I've noticed about this league is is how talented each

1224
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: and every team is, how competitive each and every team is.

1225
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: That if you don't bring your a game against anybody

1226
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: in this league, you're gonna get beat. And if you

1227
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: look at it, you're in and you're out. There's nine

1228
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: ten Bowl eligible teams in this league. Um, you know.

1229
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: And then the second thing that that looks up you

1230
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: look at this league and you see the skilled players

1231
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: in this league. There's some ridiculous, ridiculous quarterbacks and wideouts.

1232
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: It's just skilled players I think are unique and special.

1233
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: You know, there's several great conferences um throughout the country. Uh,

1234
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: and I feel like the PAC twelve is one of

1235
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: those conferences. And really I think is gonna is on

1236
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: an upward trend um to to be considered as one

1237
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: of the best in the world. You know. And now truthfully,

1238
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: do we need to go out and win games nationally

1239
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: in the national spotlight? Yes, we need to do that.

1240
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: That games you respect is doing it on the field,

1241
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: and I feel like that's the next step for for us. Definitely,

1242
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: the coaching, the coaches that are in this league, um,

1243
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: the respect that I have them, I think the nation

1244
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: has for him. The players that are in this league,

1245
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: this league can win a national championship, and I think

1246
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: it's on the forefront of doing that. Last question coach,

1247
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: You've been very generous with your time. We appreciate it today. Uh,

1248
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: if you just give us you don't have to give

1249
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: us the whole speech, just a sneak peek. When the

1250
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: team comes back together, everybody gets their vacation, hopefully get

1251
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: some sun. We'll get you moving around a little bit

1252
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: better here on the leg, and then everybody gets back

1253
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: in the building. What's your message to this group as

1254
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: you embark on this upcoming season. That is about us.

1255
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: It's not about the opponent. It's about us and us

1256
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: playing our game and setting our standard and living up

1257
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: to that standard and being able to aparade ourselves from

1258
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: our opponent. Um. We definitely have the talent in the room.

1259
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: We have the discipline that has been taken over over

1260
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: the off season. Now it's time to go do it

1261
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 1: in training camp and throughout a twelve weeks season and beyond. UM.

1262
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 1: So my message to our team is, don't be concerned

1263
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: about any outside factor. Let's keep it right here in

1264
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 1: the building. Let's do our job. Let's set our standard

1265
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: and let's live up to that standard on a consistent

1266
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: daily basis. I think we're ready to run through the tunnel.

1267
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: Let's do it. I appreciate your time, coach, Thank you,

1268
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys. Take care buck. You know, listening to

1269
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: Clay and I hinted at it when we threw to

1270
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: this interview of trying to find a theme and look

1271
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: visiting with people on the mic and off the mic

1272
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: around campus, I just kept hearing it over and over again.

1273
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: Simple and fast, simple and fast, simple and fast. That

1274
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: is what you're looking for for this USC team. Let's

1275
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: make this very easy understand for everybody involved. We've got athletes.

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Speaker 1: Let's cut them loose and let them play. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: the thing. When you have more talent than your opposition,

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Speaker 1: you don't need to complicate it. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: trick them. You don't have to play trick and football.

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Speaker 1: You just line up and you overwhelming with your athleticism.

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Speaker 1: And I think in our conversation with Clay you talked

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Speaker 1: about maybe some of the verberge and some of the

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Speaker 1: things that they're doing slow their guys down. Well, now,

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Speaker 1: unleash those athletes. Let those guys be dominant playmakers. The

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Speaker 1: guys that we saw earn five stars in the recruiting

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Speaker 1: rankings coming out of high school. Allow those guys to

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Speaker 1: be five star players on the field. Well, this has

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Speaker 1: been a fun episode. Uh again, college football season right

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Speaker 1: around the corner. NFL football is here, training camps are

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Speaker 1: cranked up. Preseason is is really starting to take hold.

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Speaker 1: Buck excited to see all these NFL players. So we're

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Speaker 1: kind of splitting our time a little bit, taking a

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Speaker 1: tiping our toe in the college water a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Also focus on the NFL and if if you haven't

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Speaker 1: checked it out of our prototype series NFL dot Com

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Speaker 1: slash MTS prototype on don't you explain to folks with

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Speaker 1: those series what that series about? So prototypes, like we

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Speaker 1: had been able to like look at all of the

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Speaker 1: positions quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers, tied ends, officsive line,

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Speaker 1: edge rushers, and then we're gonna talk about cornerbacks as well,

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Speaker 1: being able to really dig inside find out what are

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Speaker 1: the prototypical traits that you need to be a star

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Speaker 1: of that position. So we can educate ourselves and the

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Speaker 1: listeners so when they're looking at the game, they understand

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Speaker 1: the difference between an A level player and someone that

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Speaker 1: is just an average player that is able to make

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Speaker 1: some plays on occasion. It's it's really a fun series

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Speaker 1: We've learned a lot going through it, and hopefully you

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Speaker 1: have as well. All that's gonna do it for us.

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Speaker 1: He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Daniel Jeremiah. Thanks for listening to

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Speaker 1: Move the Sticks presented by New Era. Thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. For more,

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Speaker 1: go to NFL dot com Slash Podcasts