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Speaker 1: It is your show, It's not my show. I always

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Speaker 1: say that to prove it to you though. We're just

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Speaker 1: doing a product right now that we're gonna let you

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Speaker 1: take over. We got a bunch of people in here

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Speaker 1: got past thirteen thousand SOB followers rather on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Late Kick Josh, by the way, we appreciate that. And

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna have some fun here. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: waste time. It's gonna be Q and E. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be conversational and we'll see where this goes. So, first up,

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Speaker 1: producer Jordan has teed up Josh Miller, who I just

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Speaker 1: found out losing Colorado. And so, Josh Miller, what are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know a lot of the big talk

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Speaker 2: has been around transfers, and we've seen multiple college colleges

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Speaker 2: pull in you know, directors of transfer recruiting, so nutrition

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Speaker 2: happening every single year and new teams looking to find

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Speaker 2: new ways to get higher tier guys. Do you think

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Speaker 2: that places like like Oklahoma or Maazoo or even Kentucky

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of them right now, even up

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Speaker 1: Like everyone everyone initially when they heard the idea of

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Speaker 1: Everyone thinks they're gonna own the transfer portal right now,

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Speaker 1: just like I guarantee you everyone thinks they're gonna own name,

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Speaker 1: image and likeness. And then you're gonna find out it's

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Speaker 1: in some programs, wheelhouses, it's not in others. But like

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Speaker 1: the thing about it is you mentioned probably intentionally like

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Speaker 1: the missouris of the world. To me, that's who has

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Speaker 1: I was sitting behind myself at this desk right here

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm traditionally an Auburn fan, kind of

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Speaker 1: Does that mean what do you mean what you like?

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Speaker 2: Being from Auburn, Like that's that's home. So by default

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Speaker 2: So I kind of declassify myself as just like an

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Speaker 1: Good football, No, I got you, I got you. Well,

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Speaker 1: So Auburn like to wrap this one up like Auburn,

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Speaker 5: Good thing, Hey, Josh, I want to go a little

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, I got you good, Okay.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Josh, yeah, what are in your opinion the top

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Speaker 10: I have Alabama at seven?

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Speaker 1: Seven? Well, can you name us six? Ahead of them?

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Speaker 10: Georgia, LSU, USC, Texas, Florida, Ohio State.

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Speaker 10: Proximity to talent, although I know in twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: In my time out, I got of them, not just

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Speaker 10: So as far as revenue goes, they've ranked in the

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Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. See this is where, this is where

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that right now. There are several jobs

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Speaker 4: That's a good question. We're gonna head over to Stewart.

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Speaker 4: He's wanting to ask about Mike, Leach and Leane Kevin

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Speaker 6: Hey, Josh, can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: I got you brother? How you doing pretty good? Man?

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm good?

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Speaker 6: So, if you had to bet next five years just

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Speaker 1: And he's in the conference now that has consistently the

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Speaker 1: It's a big if I noticed you, I know you

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Speaker 6: And also, as a diehard Georgia fan, I just want

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Speaker 4: Good question, Stuart. We're gonna go ahead and move on

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Speaker 11: Hey, Josh, yeah, I think other Agis would be a

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Speaker 11: we've seen this before. Or is it more of like

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Speaker 11: a Clemson in the early twenty tens when there's clemsoning

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Speaker 11: and all that and then they broke through that barrier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So amnesia is the first word that I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about. Another one that starts with A is Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Those are really the two words I want to focus

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Speaker 1: on here. So I'm going to go to gallery of

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Speaker 1: you reight quick, even though I'm not supposed to, so

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Speaker 1: just out of curiosity. We've got a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in here right now. All of you watch college football

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Speaker 1: every Saturday. Raise your hand if you don't think Texas

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Speaker 1: A and M is capable of winning a national championship.

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Speaker 1: Some of you all aligne And there's got to be

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Speaker 1: someone in here that I don't think. Okay, So we

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Speaker 1: got a couple of them. All right, So I'll get

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Speaker 1: back to that. Who in here thinks that Texas A

447
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Speaker 1: and M is A?

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Speaker 7: All right?

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Speaker 1: No one thinks they're Tier one. How many of you

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Speaker 1: think they're a tier two program? All right? Tier three?

451
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Speaker 1: And are there any tier fours? Okay, so somewhere in

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Speaker 1: like lower tier two, upper tier three like that would

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Speaker 1: be on average, I think what people think about them.

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Speaker 1: So now I'll go back to the speaker of you

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be in. So here's my answer. Number

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Speaker 1: one is amnesia. The Clemson examples perfect. So this is

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Speaker 1: what I've circled back around too many times. Clemson. Right now,

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Speaker 1: I think people's opinion of Clemson pretty well established. It's

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Speaker 1: a national powerhouse program. A lot of you don't root

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Speaker 1: for them anymore, whereas you used to kind of that

461
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Speaker 1: Boston Red Sox syndrome. You know, ESPN told you guys

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Speaker 1: you had to root for them at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the two thousands, and then a lot of you rooted

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Speaker 1: for them, and then you got tired of having them

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Speaker 1: shove down throat and Clemson is the same way. So Clemson,

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Speaker 1: you were right. It took a long time for people

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Speaker 1: to ever consider them and take them seriously, and you

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Speaker 1: go back and watch and look at like if you

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Speaker 1: Wikipedia Dabos twenty and you Wikipedia Clemson football. I have

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Speaker 1: to do this pretty regularly. Look at how many times

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Speaker 1: they're like three different times Clemson thought they were there

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Speaker 1: and Florida State came in there and just railed them.

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Speaker 1: One time in Death Valley. I remember it was ugly

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Speaker 1: and so like that was the setback. Then they get

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Speaker 1: to I think it was the Orange Bowl and get

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Speaker 1: railed by West Virginia, and so again you keep getting

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Speaker 1: somewhere and it's like you poke your head up and

478
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Speaker 1: college football like whack a moles, you back down. And

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Speaker 1: then they finally get to a national championship game. They

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Speaker 1: performed admirably in twenty fifteen, they got beat, but then

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Speaker 1: the next year they win against Alabama. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it's like everyone got amnesia, and all of a sudden,

483
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Speaker 1: they played in two title games in a row. Everyone forgot.

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Speaker 1: They don't believe you can do it until you do it.

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Speaker 1: That's the whole point. And so what I try and do.

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Speaker 1: I think the only difference between maybe the way I

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Speaker 1: look at it and the way a lot of people

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Speaker 1: look at it is. I'm trying to look around the

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Speaker 1: corner a little bit, because once it's in your face,

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Speaker 1: it's easy to see. If it's around the corner. It

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Speaker 1: takes a little applied instinct about having watched the game

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Speaker 1: for a long time. But here's what I do. What

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Speaker 1: I do is I say, what is it you need

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Speaker 1: to win in college football that they don't have? And

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Speaker 1: the answer is nothing. There's nothing. The only thing they

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Speaker 1: don't have is the trophy case. That's what people would

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Speaker 1: love you to have. Then it's easy to buy. It's

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Speaker 1: easy to buy in Alabama. You see them win all

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Speaker 1: the time. You haven't seen A and M do it.

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Speaker 1: The other word is Alabama. Like if they weren't in

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Speaker 1: the SEC West, if I took Texas A and M

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Speaker 1: as Is and I parked them in the Big twelve,

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Speaker 1: they would be a preseason college football playoff contender right

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Speaker 1: now this year, they would be one. If I did

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Speaker 1: the same thing and I put them in the ACC,

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Speaker 1: you know we'd enter and it would kind of be

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Speaker 1: like they looked at Notre Dame last year. Oh, now

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Speaker 1: that Notre Dame's in the ACC is going to be them?

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Speaker 1: And Clemson? Could they both make the playoff well, nothing

510
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Speaker 1: changes about the roster, nothing changes about the logo, the

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Speaker 1: size of the university, the stadium, name, nothing changes. All

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Speaker 1: that changed was their surroundings. So I try and view

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Speaker 1: the caliber of a program independent of their surroundings. The

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Speaker 1: reality is, if I took a bunch of these folks

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Speaker 1: that are preseason playoff contenders and parked him in the

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Speaker 1: same division as Alabama, they'd have a lot of trouble

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Speaker 1: getting off the ground. Perceptional and so you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's the big elephant in the room, no pun intended,

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't make the caliber of program any less,

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Speaker 1: I guess is the way I look at it. And

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Speaker 1: the other thing that I keep going back to this,

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Speaker 1: there's a big difference sometimes in media and fan perception

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Speaker 1: versus how people inside the college football industry think. And

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Speaker 1: I can echo the sentiment that I always hear. Coaches,

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Speaker 1: assistant coaches have always said it. Personnel folks have always

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Speaker 1: said it. Ads have always been terrified of Texas A

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Speaker 1: and M ever getting their act together because they know

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Speaker 1: all the stuff it takes to win. They have. It's

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Speaker 1: no different than how Bryant back in the seventies when

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Speaker 1: he was in Alabama used to talk about Florida. To

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Speaker 1: that point, Florida had never been a powerhouse, but yet

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Speaker 1: everyone knew it was only a matter of time until

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Speaker 1: they got the right coach, and they just happened to

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Speaker 1: stumble into figuring it out and then they'd become a powerhouse. Well,

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Speaker 1: it didn't happen until the nineties, but there was a

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Speaker 1: guy named Steve Spurrier that all all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: was the head coach at Florida, and Florida like rewrote

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Speaker 1: the offensive record books, no one could touch them for

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Speaker 1: a little while. And that's the same thing people are

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Speaker 1: scared of happening at Texas. A and M. I think

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Speaker 1: it's capable of happening now, just because it hasn't happened yet.

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Speaker 1: Like I think it's capable of happening now. So I

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Speaker 1: guess that's my difference. I don't know. I guess everyone

544
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Speaker 1: else can answer for themselves. But that's why I see

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Speaker 1: him where I see them. It's good question, though, Like

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Speaker 1: that's I'll tell you. Here's the funny thing though, as

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Speaker 1: we as we wrap that one up and move on,

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Speaker 1: one of the funny things about A and M is

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Speaker 1: it's hard to nail their fan base down. There are

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Speaker 1: some programs, you know what the most popular websites are.

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Speaker 1: You know what the most popular shows that they watch

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Speaker 1: are A and M. Is it's kind of hard. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of like, I use the old nailing Jello to

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Speaker 1: the wall analogy a lot finding where A and M

555
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Speaker 1: fans hang out consistently. It's a massive fan base and

556
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Speaker 1: it's like they're out there somewhere, but it's kind of

557
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Speaker 1: hard to figure out so that the fan base is

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Speaker 1: kind of fragmented a little bit in terms of where

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Speaker 1: they all hang out. That's more of like an our

560
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Speaker 1: first world problem kind of deal. But yeah, A and M.

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Speaker 1: Like I, I root for a lot of these teams

562
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Speaker 1: to be good because it would be good for the show. Selfishly,

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Speaker 1: just be honest with you, good.

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Speaker 4: Question, Vince. We are actually going to move on to Makoto.

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Speaker 12: Hey, Josh, it's funny that you're doing the Red Sox

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Speaker 12: reference because I was raised in Massachusetts and I was

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Speaker 12: a Red Sox fan when I was growing up. So

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Speaker 12: it's just kind of funny you mentioned that.

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Speaker 1: But see, here's the thing, so you should be pulling

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Speaker 1: for Boston. But here's what happened in the early two

571
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Speaker 1: thousands ESPN. You know where they're located geographically, Therefore you

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Speaker 1: know that place is loaded. It's just so incestuous with

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Speaker 1: Red Sox fans. And what they did was they convinced

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Speaker 1: the whole world you're either Yankees or your Red Sox.

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Speaker 1: And they thought, basically, it's like someone in Montgomery, Alabama

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Speaker 1: looking at the Iron Bowl, but then thinking that someone

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Speaker 1: in Seattle, Washington should care every bit as much about

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Speaker 1: the Iron Bowl as someone in Montgomery, Alabama. And so like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Yankees are either loved or hated nationally.

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Speaker 1: And so they figured at ESPN, let's just be a

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Speaker 1: fan club for the Red Sox, and let's convince someone

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Speaker 1: in Seattle and LA and Miami and Omaha, Nebraska and

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Speaker 1: Columbus Georgia, Hey, Red Sox, like, if you love underdog,

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Speaker 1: this is your team. And so I took the counter approach.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was raised to despise the New York Yankees.

586
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Speaker 1: I started pulling for him just out of spite because

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Speaker 1: I couldn't stand the propaganda that was being again digitally

588
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Speaker 1: shoved down my throat every night. But it's not like

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Speaker 1: I harbor any ill will as you can clearly tell,

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Speaker 1: so so continue carry on there.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, So my question is, uh, so I'm a

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Speaker 12: Florida fan. Funny enough, I was raising Asters, but I'm

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Speaker 12: a Florida fan because my dad was an alumni. So

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Speaker 12: I just raised that way. So my little I guess

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Speaker 12: a little hypothetical, not hypothetical, but so, what do you

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Speaker 12: think is more likely to happen? So I rate so

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Speaker 12: a little little things. So I think I rate in

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Speaker 12: the state of Florida. I rate Florida's number one, Miami

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Speaker 12: number two, fs you number three? And would you think

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Speaker 12: would happen first? Would you do you think Miami would

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Speaker 12: take overtake Florida as the number one team in Florida

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Speaker 12: or Florida state overtaking Miami as the number two team

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Speaker 12: with all the current everything that's going.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good question. So as you can tell,

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Speaker 1: I look off in the distance even though no one's here,

606
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Speaker 1: when I'm confused. I think probably the answers Miami overtaking

607
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Speaker 1: Florida only because Florida is not an elite recruiter right now.

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Speaker 1: If Florida were an elite recruiter, the answer I think

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Speaker 1: would be Florida State over Miami. However, so Miami is

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Speaker 1: recruiting Miami's recruiting classes right now if we go like

611
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Speaker 1: freeze this point moving forward, are very comparable to Florida,

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Speaker 1: so roster wise, like there's not going to be a

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Speaker 1: massive gap over the next couple of years. There is

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Speaker 1: a massive gap right now between those kinds of teams

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Speaker 1: in Florida State, Like they got a pretty sizable rebuild there.

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Speaker 1: So I don't even know who Mike Norvel is yet

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Speaker 1: as a as a recruiter, I don't even know who

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Speaker 1: he is yet. We don't even they haven't settled in

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Speaker 1: there yet. So I think right now the answer would

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Speaker 1: be Miami over Florida. But then at the same time,

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Speaker 1: the problem with that is they don't play in the

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Speaker 1: same conference, and so you don't have a lot of

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Speaker 1: cross comparative data points, Like I've seen Florida play A

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Speaker 1: and m and then Georgia. Who do I see Miami play.

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Speaker 1: I see him play Virginia in Boston College any given year,

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Speaker 1: Like maybe they're dec and products, but I have I

627
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Speaker 1: have very few tangible data points to look at, like

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Speaker 1: when they go play Clemson and they get blown out,

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Speaker 1: but then they're impressive against other teams. I have no

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Speaker 1: clue what to make of that any given years, So

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Speaker 1: it's hard until they get in a meaningful game. I

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Speaker 1: liked it when they played each other. I was when

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Speaker 1: did they play? They played a neutral site game a

634
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Speaker 1: couple of years ago to start the season Week zero

635
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Speaker 1: game that was like one hundred and fourteen degrees. I

636
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Speaker 1: remember going to that turnover fest. But I guess the

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Speaker 1: answer would be, like, what do you think. I guess

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Speaker 1: the answer would be Miami.

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Speaker 12: I mean, like, like you said, Mike, we don't know

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Speaker 12: about Mike Novel's, so I'm gonna have a little like,

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Speaker 12: you know, I guess benefit of the doubt. And I

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Speaker 12: was actually gonna say floor Staate over Miami just because

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Speaker 12: because I'm also thinking of like potential and also ex'es

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Speaker 12: and O's like especially I'm giving I'm giving. I'm also

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Speaker 12: giving Daniel on the benefit of the doubt just because

646
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Speaker 12: I'm I'm pulling for him. But I think he'll eventually

647
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Speaker 12: be able to like recruit a lot better in the future,

648
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Speaker 12: and also I think Mike Novello will also we also

649
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Speaker 12: will also be able to recruit a lot better, and

650
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Speaker 12: you know, It's also tough because you those three schools

651
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Speaker 12: are pulling for all the talent in my in Florida.

652
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Speaker 12: And also I'm looking at X's and O's and I

653
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Speaker 12: think Dan Mullen overall, out of the three coaches, is

654
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Speaker 12: the best game day coach, and I think he can

655
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Speaker 12: out coach sot me.

656
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Speaker 1: So the other night, the other night I said something

657
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Speaker 1: about Mala. A lot of folks jumped down my throat.

658
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Speaker 1: So I said it because I believe it. I don't

659
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Speaker 1: take it back. I'm not apologizing for it, but let

660
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Speaker 1: me know what you thought about it. So I just

661
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Speaker 1: flat out set. I think he handled himself last year

662
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: like he did not plan on being at Florida in

663
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. I believe that there have been some

664
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Speaker 1: pretty guided suggestions I've been given behind the scenes to

665
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Speaker 1: think that was it just like off the cuff. What's

666
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Speaker 1: your perception on that? Cause, man, like a lot of

667
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Speaker 1: a lot of hashtag your people came at me.

668
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Speaker 12: I mean, I didn't come at you because I liked

669
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Speaker 12: I mean I liked some of the things. I didn't

670
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Speaker 12: like some of the things that he did. You know,

671
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Speaker 12: I liked the you know, some of the funny things

672
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Speaker 12: like the darth Darth Gator thing, but I didn't like

673
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Speaker 12: him and skinting the fight in in Missouri. That was

674
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Speaker 12: not like some of the things I was okay with.

675
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Speaker 12: But espisally the last thing.

676
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Speaker 1: Did they call it Darth Gator? Is that what they

677
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Speaker 1: ca called it?

678
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Speaker 7: Yeah?

679
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Speaker 12: Coverage Florida fan.

680
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Speaker 1: I was today years old when I found out about that. Okay,

681
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Speaker 1: go ahead, Yeah.

682
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Speaker 12: So I didn't like the Missouri thing, and especially that

683
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Speaker 12: one thing that really like made me mad was the

684
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Speaker 12: comments at the Cotton Bowl. Was like the thing. I

685
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Speaker 12: was like, oh no, this is not good, Like I

686
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Speaker 12: like something that I like him being like a Laxiday

687
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Speaker 12: like lax coach when it comes to like certain things

688
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Speaker 12: like that arth Gator thing. But you know, it gives

689
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Speaker 12: a little energy, you know to the case coaching style,

690
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Speaker 12: I guess, but but hearing like some of the game

691
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 12: game day comments, and also there's under the actions, you know.

692
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Speaker 12: I think the Missouri is a one time thing. I

693
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Speaker 12: think he won't do that again. But I don't want

694
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Speaker 12: to see a repeat of the Conon Bowl again any

695
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Speaker 12: other year's we make the SEC Championship, hopefully, I don't

696
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Speaker 12: know how that's going to go in the future. But yeah, no,

697
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Speaker 12: I was okay with something that was I'm not okay

698
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Speaker 12: with other things.

699
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, all right, up next is Matthew?

700
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Speaker 13: All right?

701
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Speaker 7: So, I know you hate the term off season, so

702
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Speaker 7: I'm not going to use it.

703
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Speaker 1: I don't even believe that it should be you like

704
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Speaker 1: I believe this is Do you want to cancel a word,

705
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: cancel off season? Just whisper it, Be respectful and whisper it.

706
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm asking.

707
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Speaker 14: Well, sometime summer, okay, you had put a storytime in

708
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Speaker 14: one of the shows and you talked about your buddy

709
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Speaker 14: Jack Patterson and a run in he had with Marty Smith.

710
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Speaker 14: The video that went viral, and I was curious for

711
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Speaker 14: you in your career, have you ever had maybe a

712
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Speaker 14: time where somebody else in the business may be reached

713
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Speaker 14: out and gave you some encouragement or some advice that

714
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Speaker 14: you were able to take and kind of get to

715
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Speaker 14: where you're at now.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to someone about this last night, and

717
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Speaker 1: I don't think it was you. So this is really timely.

718
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Speaker 1: There are there are some really high profile people within

719
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Speaker 1: our industry that are that shaped my opinion of how

720
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Speaker 1: I should manage my time. That's why I always try

721
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Speaker 1: if like I have free time, I always try and

722
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Speaker 1: get back to obviously everyone who's reached out via email,

723
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Speaker 1: everyone who asks for advice, correspondence, can you check out

724
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Speaker 1: my real et cetera. And the reason is because that

725
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: happened for me. Tom louganbil Over at ESPN is exceptional,

726
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Speaker 1: has always been exceptional with me on this back when

727
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Speaker 1: no one one would have ever heard my name, I

728
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: had barely even done a day's worth of radio, much

729
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: less TV, much less digital media, much less elevating here.

730
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Speaker 1: And yet every time I reached out to Tom, even

731
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Speaker 1: back in the day, he would not send back, hey,

732
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Speaker 1: it looks good. You know where you can tell they

733
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Speaker 1: clicked on it, but not much else. He'd send back

734
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Speaker 1: paragraph after paragraph after paragraph, and not just complimentary stuff

735
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: like he'd critique stuff. There were several things that needed

736
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Speaker 1: polishing big time about my on air presentation. Because the

737
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Speaker 1: first day I ever did TV, first day I was

738
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Speaker 1: ever in a TV studio, I was on TV. I

739
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Speaker 1: worked at an operation Dona, Columbus.

740
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Speaker 7: That was it.

741
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Speaker 1: It was not. It was not like Manhattan. It was

742
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Speaker 1: not thirty Rock. Okay, we were not We were not

743
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Speaker 1: the biggest operation in town, shall we say so? Anyway,

744
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Speaker 1: I was very unpolished. And the thing about it is

745
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Speaker 1: the way that the local news industry is, which I

746
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Speaker 1: was in at the time, versus the way people think

747
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Speaker 1: it is is totally different. What you think when you

748
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: go in is Okay, I'm starting near the bottom like

749
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Speaker 1: I was in Market one hundred and twenty six. To

750
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Speaker 1: give you some idea, and you think, okay, here's the

751
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Speaker 1: trade off. I'm going to be able to learn a

752
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: lot and I'm going to be able to be taught

753
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: and half that may happen. But you better teach yourself,

754
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: like you better learn through observation because those places have

755
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: been gutted and there are not people sitting around ready

756
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: to train you and teach you this and teach you that.

757
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: So you got to reach out. You got to establish

758
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: your contact, and you got to reach out. Here's what

759
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: was funny about it. There are some people who work

760
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Speaker 1: for twenty four to seven. Travis Ryer, who works for

761
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Speaker 1: BAMA Online was really good.

762
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Speaker 7: J C.

763
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Speaker 1: Sherbert who's over with the South Carolina site, Jake row

764
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Speaker 1: with the Georgia site was really good. Like those guys

765
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Speaker 1: helped me out early on Tom Lougan Bill, as I said,

766
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Speaker 1: but there are some other folks whose names, for obvious reasons,

767
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Speaker 1: will not be mentioned here. There were some folks who

768
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: would turn their nose up at you, which is okay.

769
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's not a risk reaching out if no

770
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: one ever turns you down. But there are some people,

771
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Speaker 1: there's some people who I'm in contact with professionally by

772
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: necessity these days, that once upon a time, you know,

773
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Speaker 1: and I was reaching out very informally, like on Facebook messenger,

774
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: so I could see when they read it and when

775
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: they didn't. There were some people who would open up

776
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: your messages and just kind of move on about their day,

777
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: far less profile, far smaller stature than some of the

778
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Speaker 1: people who were answering me. So again I didn't take

779
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: that personally, but I did remember the ones who did

780
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Speaker 1: help out. And I think it's I think it's amazing

781
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: anytime someone's able to elevate in this industry, no one's

782
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: doing it without help. And the ones who refuse to

783
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: help folks on the other end, and once they get

784
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: over the fence a little ways and they're able to

785
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Speaker 1: make a full time living doing what you would be

786
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: doing as a hobby. Anyway, Like, I don't know why

787
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: you'd ever turned that opportunity down. You wouldn't be here

788
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: if someone didn't help you, or several people help you.

789
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, man like Tom Luganbilt really it's still to

790
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: this day helps me out even back then, helped me

791
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Speaker 1: out big time.

792
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Speaker 4: We're gonna go ahead and go to Seth. He has

793
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 4: got a question about the college football stock market.

794
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Speaker 3: Yeah, essentially, I was saying, if you could treat each

795
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: programs future like the stock market, what program would you

796
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Speaker 3: choose to invest in and what programs would you choose

797
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Speaker 3: to shorteno.

798
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Speaker 1: I would invest in a lot of the G five

799
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Speaker 1: programs to be honest with you, Like, I don't and

800
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Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about Central Florida. I know that's

801
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Speaker 1: the go to program right now, but I would look

802
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: at Houston, I would look at Memphis. Cincinnati's obviously a

803
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: good one. I think East Carolina is a great value

804
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: play right now because they're bad on the field. A

805
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: lot of these other programs have been good on the field.

806
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Speaker 1: But what you're looking at, basically is you're asking yourself

807
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Speaker 1: ten years down the road, what does the sport look like.

808
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: Certainly there's been restructuring by that point of some kind.

809
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Speaker 1: I don't know what it would be. I would probably,

810
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, to be honest with you, I probably short

811
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Speaker 1: a lot of programs on the West coast in the

812
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Speaker 1: PAC twelve. I would short a lot of programs only

813
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Speaker 1: because I'm totally non confident on the future of the

814
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Speaker 1: television rights packaging and what I think may end up

815
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Speaker 1: having to save a lot of those brands is I

816
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: don't you could call it the super conference, but super

817
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Speaker 1: conferencing to make that a term, maybe with like the

818
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Speaker 1: Big twelve, Like I've been a believer for a few

819
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: years now that some blend of PAC twelve Big twelve

820
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Speaker 1: will be a conference in twenty thirty, twenty thirty five,

821
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Speaker 1: let's say I would also I would probably take a

822
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Speaker 1: chance on a program like let's just say Arkansas Arizona State,

823
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Speaker 1: Like I would take a chance on Arizona State because

824
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Speaker 1: I think those are some programs. Miami would be a

825
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: really good one too, that could benefit from the transfer portal.

826
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Speaker 1: Those are just some names that I've had in my mind.

827
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Speaker 1: I've talked to some people that single out Arkansas and

828
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Speaker 1: single out Arizona State. I've singled out Miami Georgia Tech

829
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Speaker 1: I would invest massively in right now, I don't know

830
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Speaker 1: how many of you wanted, but those are a few

831
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Speaker 1: of them. And I've also always had just a little

832
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: voice in the back of my head that says, always

833
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: keep an eye on Maryland. So whatever I have remaining,

834
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: like wherever my coins are, I'll put the remaining coins

835
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Speaker 1: on Maryland.

836
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had Arkansas and in my brand Now you

837
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Speaker 3: mentioned Georgia tach and I think that's a really good

838
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 3: one as well.

839
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, another one that I've always been

840
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: fascinated with, Louisville. Louisville's very It's kind of anonymous because

841
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: it's not quite on the East Coast, so it doesn't

842
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: get the media rub but yet it's a Power five program.

843
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: They've had success in the last decade decade and a half,

844
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: like they have produced big time players from that program. So,

845
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen Louisville be good before, but when

846
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: they're not good, they very quickly disappear from the national radar.

847
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: Because nationally it's a pretty anonymous program. That doesn't mean

848
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: you can't be good though, Like I tell when I

849
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: grew up down in Columbus, I used to have to

850
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: tell Auburn folks nationally, Auburn's a pretty random program. Like

851
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: people in Wyoming don't know where Auburn is. They know

852
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: it's in the SEC, they don't know where it is.

853
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: It didn't stop them from winning a national title in

854
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: twenty ten though, So like just because people don't people

855
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know everything about you and Reno Nevada doesn't

856
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: mean you're not capable of a lot.

857
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Speaker 4: All right, Next we've got Albert. He was wanting to

858
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: ask about the incentivizing opt outs for bowl games.

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00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: Oh, this should be good.

860
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Speaker 15: Hey, Josh, I'm looking at this from the respective of

861
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 15: a of a former band member, and our team wasn't

862
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 15: very good. I was a band member at Texas State University,

863
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 15: Go Bobcats.

864
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 7: We are not a very good football program, and we were.

865
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 15: All always very excited when we went a few games

866
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 15: or a game, and we always joke about we're gonna

867
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 15: go to a bowl game this year.

868
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 4: It doesn't happen.

869
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 15: But talking about disincentivizing opt outs. When I saw the

870
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 15: Florida Oklahoma game, I was really hyped for a really

871
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 15: great matchup, but then Florida was just it was just

872
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 15: not great and I feel like that might have been

873
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 15: to do with opt outs. And I know it's a

874
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 15: COVID year and the bands weren't there, but I would

875
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 15: feel kind of let down if I don't get to

876
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 15: support the team that I know.

877
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 4: It can be.

878
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was ugly. That face you made was

879
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: a very very good recollection of what that game was.

880
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: A splattering, as we like to say around here. So

881
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm a believer that you cannot put toothpaste back in

882
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: the tube. A lot of what's happened with opt outs,

883
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the prevailing culture around college football that's

884
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: led to that being an actual mentality. That is what

885
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: it is at this point. You can't go backwards on that.

886
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: It's why a lot of people, when they hear me

887
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: talk about expanding the playoff to go on a different track,

888
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: but I'll circle back to it when they hear me

889
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: so adamant and kind of passionate about being against playoff expansion.

890
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: It's cause I know, once those experiments happen, you never

891
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: go back. Once you expand stuff, you never contracted again,

892
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: and so we're only getting one shot at it. Like

893
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: on the other side, I'll have someone say, oh, why

894
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: don't we just give it a chance, because if it fails,

895
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: it's still going to remain. So with this, I think

896
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: there's a tie in. I have said this before, I'll

897
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: say it again for those who have not heard it.

898
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: Early on, when we went to a playoff format, I

899
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: personally didn't have a problem with it, but there were

900
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: some people. Nick Saban was one who was vocal about, Hey,

901
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm not anti playoff, but we gotta be careful about

902
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: what we make the focal point of this sport. What

903
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: is the nucleus of the sport? And I am a

904
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: believer in retrospect. Now, I didn't have this kind of

905
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: instinct at the time, but in retrospect, the fact that

906
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,959
Speaker 1: the entity being ESPN that kind of is the hub

907
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: for college football was the same entity that purchased the

908
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: playoff contract. That spelled disaster, even though we didn't realize

909
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: it at the time, because when you pay that many

910
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: billions for a product, you're going to put your marketing

911
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: machine behind it. And they did. And what happened was

912
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: the focus on the nucleus of the sport got taken

913
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: from a regular season and it got put on the playoff. Well,

914
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: then kids listened, Hey, you put it on TV all

915
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: the time, you talk about it constantly. College football players

916
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: listened and they watched all the focus be put on

917
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: those four games, well, yes, two games, and then on

918
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: national championship game, so those four spots at the end

919
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: of the year, and they listened. Also when people said

920
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: less meaningful game. You know, you're going to the Cotton Bowl,

921
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: but it's not a playoff game, so it's a less

922
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,959
Speaker 1: meaningful game. They just listened. And then once you told

923
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: them that those games of lesser importance long enough, they

924
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: started to believe it. And then all it took is

925
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: one or two people opting out, and then the next

926
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: year you have seven of them, and then the next

927
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: year it's a tidal wave. You're not going backwards on

928
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: that though. So if I could go backwards, I would

929
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: just never make the focus of the sport the playoff.

930
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: But I can't go backwards, So moving forward, what would

931
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: I do? I would kind of I would take a

932
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: figurative pair of scissors, and I would just cut bowl games,

933
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: not cancel them. I would cut them to where they're

934
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: not attached to the regular season, and that means I

935
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: can operate under different rules. I'm a believer in taking

936
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: a revenue package for all the big bowl games, especially

937
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: and doing revenue sharing programs with the winning and losing team.

938
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: Like I'm a big believer that if I were to

939
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: take that Cotton Bowl, for example, and there's a big

940
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: purse associated with it that's to be divvied up amongst

941
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: the winning team and the losing team, seventy five percent

942
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: of the winnings go to the winning team, twenty five

943
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: percent goes to the losing team. Number One, you got

944
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: to play in the game to get it, but you

945
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: gotta be on the active roster to get it. So

946
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: I incentivized guys sticking it out through the bowl game.

947
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: I incentivize winning the bowl game too, And so that

948
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: is my best guess at what we could do to

949
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: preserve the sanctity and integrity of bull season. You could

950
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: still have guys opt out, but you know, if I

951
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: put a few thousand dollars, You know, if I put

952
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: five or six grand on the table, that you could

953
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: stand to gain. I don't know how much we could

954
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: reasonably stand to gain in revenue, but part of the

955
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: advertising deals on that I think could also be drawn in.

956
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: So I'd like to see revenue sharing from Bowl games.

957
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: That's what I like to see. I don't think it.

958
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it harms the fabric of the sport

959
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: because we're treating it as different than the regular season.

960
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: You still get your Bowl experience as a fan, and

961
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: as if you were you still get a Bowl experience

962
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: as a player. There's an added carrot on the end

963
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: of that stick. So now that we're here, let me

964
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: say it that way. That's my best answer.

965
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 4: Good question there. We're going to head over to John.

966
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 4: He wants to talk about the effects of COVID on conferences.

967
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 7: Hey, Josh, how are you doing?

968
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: I am good, John, how are you doing?

969
00:42:58,800 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 7: Doing great?

970
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 5: I do want to say I heard somebody use a

971
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 5: dirty word that we don't use your around Clemson, which

972
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 5: is clemsoning. That word shouldn't be spoken anymore.

973
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: Oh, it's like a dinosaur fossil. I mean, we can

974
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: still look at it, can't we?

975
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 11: Uh?

976
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 7: For sure?

977
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 5: For sure, I think that we can allow that. But

978
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 5: I just wanted to talk about when you look at

979
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 5: the season of twenty twenty and how all the conferences

980
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 5: were able to do a great job of you know, well,

981
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 5: I guess you could say the Big Ten didn't do

982
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 5: that great of a job until they were forced to.

983
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 5: But that's a separate conversation. But just looking at how

984
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 5: they were able to assemble the schedule and kind of

985
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 5: operate on their own with their own rules and stuff

986
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 5: like that. Do you feel with especially how the nc

987
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 5: double A is starting to drag their feet a little

988
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 5: bit with players profiting off the name and likeness and

989
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 5: getting that into the rule book, do you think that

990
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 5: eventually we could see a conference disbandment from the nc

991
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 5: double A to make their own entity.

992
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that is very layered. Obviously, Ultimately, what

993
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: you need the NCUBA for is enforcement. That is really

994
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: the purpose that the NCAA serves right now, especially if

995
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: you're talking about major college football. The main purpose the

996
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: NCAA serves is being an enforcement arm that has the

997
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: entire sport under its collective umbrella. I think that ultimately

998
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: there are reasons for NCUBA officials. There's a reason for

999
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: the NCAA to walk on eggshells a lot more than

1000
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: maybe it seems on the outside. Like I know, a

1001
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: lot of times you may see these headlines. You know,

1002
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: there was one yesterday, these headlines about oh my goodness,

1003
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: there's a Twitter video circulating right now about this entity

1004
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: paying this player this amount of money. You'll largely see

1005
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: that swept under the rug, and not much will come

1006
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: of that. And the reason not much will come of

1007
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: that is because whether it's supposed to be publicized but

1008
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: not a lot of these conference commissioners have the stones

1009
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: to stand up and say, you're not a how to

1010
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: come down here? Will police ourselves watching the Sopranos like,

1011
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: we'll police ourselves. Actual law enforcement is not coming into

1012
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: this operation because what we're doing here is above law enforcement.

1013
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: That's the way it works in society. In college football,

1014
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: it's less consequential to society. But conferences will say we'll

1015
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: police ourselves here. A lot of our member institutions will

1016
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: police themselves, but will police ourselves based on the way

1017
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: we think it should go, not the way maybe your

1018
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: archaic rule book says it should go, even though we,

1019
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: as the D one Oversight Committee, largely agreed upon those

1020
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: rules once upon a time. So I know that's a

1021
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 1: very long winned answer, but it's complicated. I think, yes,

1022
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: ultimately that could happen. But I also really think that

1023
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: a lot of these conferences enjoy being able to pass

1024
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: the buck because right now, for every one person who says,

1025
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: man I hate the way the ACC handled this, you

1026
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: hear one hundred people say, man, I hate the way

1027
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: the NCAA handled this. It's just like in the NFL.

1028
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: You may not know the Denver Broncos owner's name, but

1029
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: you know Roger Goodell. There's a reason Roy Goodell is

1030
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: paid what he's paid. He's paid to take a beating

1031
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: in the NC DOUBLEA right now. It's this. You don't

1032
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: when you think of the NC DOUBLEA, you don't think

1033
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: of a person. You think of that circle and that

1034
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: blue logo. And so no one's really getting hurt when

1035
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: you bash the NC DOUBLEA. No one's really getting hurt.

1036
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: And it's saving face for a lot of conferences and

1037
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: a lot of conference commissioners. And so I think that

1038
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: aspect they like what they don't necessarily like, or some

1039
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: other aspects, and it's tied in the revenue generation and

1040
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff. So I think yes, But

1041
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it's as a foregone conclusion, maybe as

1042
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: some people lead themselves to believe.

1043
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 5: Well, reason I see it is that when I look

1044
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 5: at how the UH player likeness started, the conversation started

1045
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 5: a lot of the states were what pushed it forward

1046
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 5: because they made that laws in their states. For a while,

1047
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 5: it was a conversation, but the nc DOUABLEA was doing

1048
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 5: nothing about it because they didn't see a problem with it.

1049
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 5: But as soon as these states started to say, Okay,

1050
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 5: we're gonna make it into the lawbooks, you.

1051
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 7: Know, they wanted to jump.

1052
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 5: But ever since then, since twenty twenty, has happened, and

1053
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 5: we kind of got distracted by COVID and all these headlines.

1054
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 5: You know, it seems that they're starting to drag their

1055
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 5: feet a little bit and not want to do it.

1056
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 5: So that's why I asked, And I could see it

1057
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 5: definitely happening down the road because I just think there's

1058
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 5: a little bit just unsavory rules, especially for the players

1059
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 5: with them being able to make money off their own name.

1060
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: So dragging their feet. I don't know how. I don't

1061
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: know how well versed. You guys are well read up

1062
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: on this, you guys are, I know, it seems like

1063
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: the ncuba's dragging their feet. Who in here, like, if

1064
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: I were to ask you in thirty seconds to sum

1065
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: this up, let me go to gallery you red quick?

1066
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: Who in here thinks that they could give a thirty

1067
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: second summary of the reason. It feels like the NCAA's

1068
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: dragging their feet on this whole nil issue right now, Jordan,

1069
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: just unmute. Someone whoever wants to go.

1070
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 4: Let's go. Let's go. Christopher.

1071
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 16: Sure, I'd love to thirty seconds. They're dragging their feet

1072
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 16: because they have no idea where there starts and stops.

1073
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 16: Do you get paid after you graduate if they reshow

1074
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 16: your game, who knows? Did you get paid if you

1075
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 16: don't play any game? They don't know. There's just too

1076
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 16: many unknown uh huh. But okay, so I'll shut up.

1077
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: So anyone else that wants to go, is there something

1078
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: that wasn't touched on there that you think needs to

1079
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: be added to this Cause there's one huge, five hundred

1080
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: pound gorilla over in the corner right here that never

1081
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: gets addressed.

1082
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 7: Wait, if we're paying no, we saw we taxing the players.

1083
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: Now that's one that's not the gorilla. But that's that's

1084
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: another little baby guerrilla. So it's over here, but there's

1085
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: still one bigger. There's still one that no one's touching on.

1086
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 9: Liability.

1087
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: Liability Did you say are.

1088
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 9: They an employee?

1089
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: Right?

1090
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 9: Are the employee of the school is that ability, is

1091
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 9: that long term health benefits? Where does it stop?

1092
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: It's okay, that's a good one. That's a really but

1093
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: a university could come and say, hey, we can fit

1094
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: the bill for that. We already fit the bill for

1095
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: player insurance. Anyway, that's not the big gorilla. That's something

1096
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: that we can overcome because that would largely be a

1097
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: university issue instead of an NC douablea issue. No one's

1098
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: no one has pushed the gorilla yet, where's the gorilla at?

1099
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 9: What about the bag men?

1100
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: The bag men don't exist, Alex didn't you haven't you

1101
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: listened to the statements batman aren't real? Yeah, back, that

1102
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. These are college These are young, affable college

1103
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: young men. They don't get paid to play this game.

1104
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: Next up? Who else? I think it? Uh?

1105
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: I think it does kind of two things. I think

1106
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: it separates the week from the tears in terms of

1107
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: high performing athletes. And I think it also allows athletes

1108
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: to kind of dictate their own futures so they're not

1109
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: so and indebted to certain colleges giving them, you know,

1110
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 2: scholarships and having to come to these schools because it's

1111
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: the only scholarship they had, so I think it's kind

1112
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 2: of a wheat and tear situation here.

1113
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: I first off, I love the metaphor there. Secondly, I

1114
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: love that no one has guessed, like, all these are

1115
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: right points, but no one has guessed where I'm going

1116
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: with is yet the NFL. It's still not What about

1117
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: about the NFL?

1118
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 17: Though?

1119
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: What do you mean by the NFL?

1120
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 11: I mean they've right now, they've got a four year

1121
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 11: free training ground for who they want to eventually pay

1122
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 11: millions of dollars for. Why would they want to Why

1123
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 11: would they want to mess that up?

1124
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1125
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: But I don't think that would mess it up. I mean,

1126
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: if I'm getting paid, you know, thirty five hundred dollars

1127
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: a semester to play at Oklahoma State, I still want

1128
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: to go to the NFL. I agree with you. I

1129
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: think the real reason is they just are terrible at

1130
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: their job. Ah. Yeah, but that's very overarching. That's not

1131
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: a gorilla. That's not like a gorilla to me. Where's

1132
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: the gorilla.

1133
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 7: At I thought it's tough to police it.

1134
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it'd be impossible to police it. Okay, that's

1135
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: we have multiple gorillas in the room. Now there's one

1136
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: of them. Okay, that's a new gorilla, though my old

1137
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: one's still over here in the corner.

1138
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 16: Had on nine. There's no ladies in college football. Gorilla

1139
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 16: a long.

1140
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: Probably he's a little bit bigger even than the one

1141
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: that's over in the corner over here. Okay, so that's

1142
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: a huge mess. But let me ask you this to

1143
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: save time, because we could probably go into four in

1144
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: the morning.

1145
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 6: Year.

1146
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: What happens if you played football in nineteen eighty two,

1147
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: What happens if you played in nineteen ninety three, What

1148
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: happens if you've played in two thousand and six? And

1149
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: you look around and you say, hold up, you guys

1150
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: just passed this new law. You made money off me

1151
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty three, in two thousand and three, in

1152
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, what about me? And you've heard

1153
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 1: the word class action in other words? You ever heard

1154
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: about those? Yeah? Those are really scary because we're not

1155
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: talking about ten or fifteen former employees. We're talking about

1156
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: ten thousand former employees that get together and say we

1157
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: want our piece too. That's what the NCAA has been

1158
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: terrified by. That's the legislation they've actually been working on.

1159
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: I know right now so you know, they've they've kind

1160
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: of got this hand over here and their snapping and

1161
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: they're telling you to look over here is where the

1162
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: real work is being done, and the real work is

1163
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: through lobbyists. And what those lobbyists have been doing is

1164
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: they've been getting to various politicians that are going to

1165
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: end up voting on this and saying, you got to

1166
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: get us immunity on this, or you've got to get basically,

1167
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: you got to shut the garage door on the path

1168
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: if you want us to change legislation from this point

1169
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: moving forward. Fine, like you got us, we understand what

1170
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: we got, our back against the wall. There's no where

1171
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: we can go here. We don't want it, but we're

1172
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: going to have to take it. But you got to

1173
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: make sure that we don't have to go back because

1174
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: that'll cripple us, that'll bankrupt us. So to go back

1175
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: to the previous question, like that ties into that one too.

1176
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: Is there any way that the Power five programs could

1177
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: they end up breaking off from the nc DOUBLEA. Hey,

1178
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: what if there is no NCAA, Because that's the question

1179
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: that they're worried about. They're worried about the answer to that.

1180
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: If they were ever really truly on the hook for

1181
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: all of the athletes who have ever been profited off

1182
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,919
Speaker 1: of that's the gorilla. Now he's out of the room.

1183
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: He's good. That's the big one. Though. That's not talked

1184
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: about a lot. And the reason why it's not talked

1185
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: about is because they don't want focus on that, because

1186
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: if you get focused on that, all of a sudden,

1187
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: everyone who's ever picked up a bad minton racket or

1188
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: thrown a football, all of a sudden says, way, secon

1189
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: I get money out of this, And every slip and

1190
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: fall lawyer in America is doing commercials on your local

1191
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: TV saying, have you ever played college athletics? Called me?

1192
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: There may be money in this for you. That's not

1193
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: the world. They want.

1194
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 4: Good discussion. Let's head over to Tureiq. He's got a

1195
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 4: question about West Virginia returning to national prominence.

1196
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 18: Yes, hey Jordan, Thanks Josh. So, my first interaction with

1197
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 18: you was when you kind of mentioned West Virginia in

1198
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 18: the same breath as a G five.

1199
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: Program That doesn't sound like me.

1200
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 18: That was you a year ago, and I actually messaged

1201
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 18: you on YouTube and you responded.

1202
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 9: I was shocked.

1203
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 18: I'm like, all right, I have to, like, I have

1204
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 18: to say something because you can't tell the history of

1205
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 18: college football without West Virginia.

1206
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: That's true, you can't.

1207
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 18: And so two thousand and seven was probably the peak

1208
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 18: of West Virginia. And I think what got them to

1209
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 18: that moment was they were in the former Big East.

1210
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 9: So they're playing the likes of USF.

1211
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 18: And Rutgers and Syracuse, right, so they're dominating that. They

1212
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 18: were Oregon before Oregon in terms of offense, spread off offense.

1213
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 18: Rich Rodriguez was ahead of his time. I don't think

1214
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 18: he wanted to be there as he was looking for

1215
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 18: the exit to Alabama or where he eventually went to Michigan.

1216
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 18: And do you see them ever getting back there because

1217
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 18: they went through Bill Stewart and Dana Holgerson and now

1218
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 18: they're at Neil Brown. I don't know much about Neil Brown,

1219
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,959
Speaker 18: but I think they're on the wrong conference. I think

1220
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 18: they don't have any competitive advantage that they did.

1221
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 9: In two thousand and seven. Right, They're not on the

1222
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 9: cutting edge of offense.

1223
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 18: They're one of the poorest programs, if not the poorest

1224
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 18: program in college football. I think they could take of

1225
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 18: the transfer portal to get some kind of competitive advantage.

1226
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 9: In my view, I.

1227
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 18: Think they need to whenever this conference realignment happens, they

1228
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 18: need to move back to the ACC and they need

1229
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 18: to be playing against teams like Virginia Tech, which is

1230
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 18: a whole other monster, Maryland, who is the whole other monster,

1231
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 18: which I think those.

1232
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 9: Three programs being down at the same time.

1233
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,359
Speaker 18: Is reflective of where we're at in terms of conferences

1234
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 18: and all that. So I just want to hear your

1235
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 18: opinion on your thoughts on Neil Brown West Virginia. Can

1236
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 18: they get back to where they were?

1237
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: It's a really good way to put it, like the

1238
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,240
Speaker 1: Oregon of the East Coast, That's what they were. I remember.

1239
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: I don't think it was seven. I think it was

1240
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: the year after Auburn went up there and played a

1241
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: Thursday night game and they really started the ball going

1242
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: downhill quickly on Tommy Tuberville. It ended at the end

1243
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: of the year and he got fired, but I remember

1244
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: vividly it caused the Auburn call in Show. An army

1245
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: full of Alabama fans print called the Auburn call in Show.

1246
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: After that, it became like sort of an underground legendary

1247
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: story where I was from those Colin Hill. They were

1248
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: already on tilt and that sent them over the edge

1249
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: and there were some regrettable things said on live radio

1250
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: that night and offer in Alabama, So I remember that, yes,

1251
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: So that's what they were like once upon a time.

1252
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: I think that was the slate and Pat White like

1253
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: that's when all those guys were coming through there. Part

1254
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: of the reason people now where I was from, were

1255
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: mad because they looked at the player profile and said,

1256
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: Pat Whites from Alabama, how come we didn't keep him

1257
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: down here? And so like what rich Rodriguez had done

1258
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: is he had made West Virginia special preparation. It's just

1259
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: like Chip Kelly did at Oregon a little while later.

1260
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: They were a special preparation. When you played West Virginia

1261
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: at the time, it was someone doing something different than

1262
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: anyone else on your schedule was doing well. The problem

1263
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 1: they're in lives because as you mentioned, they are disadvantaged

1264
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: in terms of resource. But as long as you're a

1265
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: special preparation, you can put lipstick on a lot of

1266
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: figurative pigs about your program if you're doing something different.

1267
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: But then when the sport adjusts and like fifteen other

1268
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: programs start doing what you're doing well, then you've got

1269
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: to have a curveball. You can't just live off your

1270
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: fastball anymore. And they didn't have a secondary pitch. And

1271
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 1: so I totally agree with you with the Big Twelve.

1272
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: That's the most. It's the most. I don't know what

1273
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: the it makes no sense, Like if you were an

1274
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 1: alien and you landed on planet Earth today and you said,

1275
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,479
Speaker 1: you're telling me that there is a program that could

1276
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: basically see the Atlantic Ocean from their balcony, and yet

1277
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: they have to fly a minimum of one thousand miles

1278
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: to go to their nearest road game and they got

1279
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: to do that like six times a year or whatever.

1280
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: That makes no sense. Well, yeah, that's West Virginia being

1281
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve. So I think that matters too.

1282
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: I mean, because you're everybody else in the Big twelve

1283
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: recruits Texas. There is no it's like a like you

1284
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: probably have to connect three flights to go from Morgantown

1285
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: to Austin, Texas or Dallas, and so that's not a

1286
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: good fit man at all. I don't know what the

1287
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: answer there is, though. Every every step that you know

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00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: West Virginia has taken is to try and get to

1289
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: the next level financially. So I understand from that viewpoint,

1290
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: but are you are you cutting off the nose to

1291
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: spider face? That's the big question. And it's not it's

1292
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: it's it's very intentional that I said it that way.

1293
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: It's called a malapropism. But I think that's what they

1294
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: did because now West Virginia they are when's the last

1295
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: time we talked about them on the national level, right, right?

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00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 18: And I mean that's the program Bobby Bowden started. Yeah,

1297
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 18: it is a blue blood program. It If Rodriguez wanted

1298
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 18: to stay at West Virginia, I think they could have

1299
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 18: been what Clemson is now. I believe that. I mean,

1300
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 18: they're not in a fertile recruiting round of you know,

1301
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 18: South Carolina, but you know, with with the right coach,

1302
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 18: and if they I mean they were one. If they

1303
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 18: lost to Pittsburgh thirteen to nine, they win that game,

1304
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 18: they're going to the national.

1305
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: Champions Let's let's slow down here, because what you just said,

1306
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: like as left four have to restart again, So so

1307
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: let's walk through this slowly. I don't know, let me

1308
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: go to gallery view, which I'm not supposed to do.

1309
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: Like how many of you vividly remember the O seven

1310
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: college football season. Okay, does anyone understand how close we

1311
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: were to watching like West Virginia versus Kansas for a

1312
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: national championship. Not in basketball, I'm talking about in football

1313
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: South Florida. Was that the year South Florida was in there, like,

1314
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: we came this close and then instead, if you look

1315
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: back in the history books, history makes seven look like

1316
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: a normal year because we ended up with lsu Ohio stated,

1317
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: we were this close to, for a lot of people

1318
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: around the country, the most unwatchable national championship matchup ever.

1319
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: But yet it would have totally noted the sport on

1320
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: its ear. That sounds like it happened in nineteen fifty seven.

1321
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: That is less than a decade and a half ago

1322
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: that we almost had West Virginia and Kansas playing in

1323
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: the National Championship. So yeah, if you don't remember that season,

1324
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: I would I would highly advise you if you just

1325
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: want to be entertained thoroughly for like an afternoon for

1326
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: four or five hours, just go back and like relive

1327
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: through written word the seven season because that was one

1328
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: of the it was one of the craziest times. If

1329
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: you go back and look at the ap poles just

1330
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: pull up, like week eleven of two thousand and seven,

1331
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: South Florida's up there, Kansas is up there, West Virginia's

1332
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: up there. I mean that's a year where like that

1333
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: Saban's first year at Alabama, they were nowhere to be,

1334
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: And so it was so weird looking when you pulled

1335
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: up the top ten. It looked like if if you played,

1336
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: if you're playing like the NCAA video game, and you

1337
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: and a bunch of buddies had just taken over bad programs,

1338
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: but because you're good at the game, you can make

1339
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: those programs good. That's how the actual top ten looked

1340
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven. For a little while, just

1341
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: kind of jogged my memory. But yeah, man, yeah about

1342
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: Neil Brown though, like he came from where I'm from.

1343
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: He came from down in Troy, like a lot of

1344
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: people swear by him. But also the concern is a

1345
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: lot of people think he wants to get back home.

1346
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: A lot of people think he wants to get back

1347
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: down south. I think he probably wanted the Auburn job.

1348
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: I can't confirm that, but I think he probably behind

1349
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: the scenes angled for that Auburn job. So you know,

1350
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wish I could give you a

1351
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: more like cheerful, optimistic answer. The best I can do

1352
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: is I can smile and say, oh no right now,

1353
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: Thanks Josh, I appreciate it.

1354
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 4: Let's go to Andrew. He had a question about media

1355
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 4: motivations and fixing college football.

1356
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Speaker 7: How's it going with Josh?

1357
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 19: So my question is about you know, you hear the

1358
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 19: media times talk about we need to fix college football,

1359
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 19: i e. Expansion or hey, nil is gonna make certain

1360
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 19: programs right rise, I level, the tier system or whatever.

1361
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 19: I think a lot of this is based on they

1362
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 19: hate the SEC or Southern programs will include Clemson in

1363
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 19: that they cannot stand that Southern program to dominate college football.

1364
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 19: And if you look at who these people are saying,

1365
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 19: it's not call any names, but they are people who

1366
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 19: are mostly from up north, and they don't they mean,

1367
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 19: they're college football guys, but they don't really they don't

1368
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 19: really love college football like we do down here. So

1369
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 19: you do you really think people hating SEC. Do you

1370
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 19: think it's actual thing?

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01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 7: Because I do. I really believe. I'm a Georgia fan

1372
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 7: by the way, leave Red.

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01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think there are a lot of people

1374
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: who hate the sec I think there are a lot

1375
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: of people who hate the fact that a region is

1376
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: more dominant and the sport is naturally tilted towards that region.

1377
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: And when I say naturally, notice I mean the natural

1378
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: content or the natural fabric of the sport rather the

1379
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: natural layout out of it. Not anyone disproportionately tilting it

1380
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: like a lot is accused of happening. I just think

1381
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: it's a recruiting game, man. So like, if you're if

1382
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: you're existing in an area where disproportionately the biggest recruiting

1383
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 1: hot beds are, you tend to fare pretty well. It's

1384
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: why it's so inexcusable for programs to have extended periods

1385
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: of suckage. You know, like that's how how in the

1386
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: world do you screw that up? And how much would

1387
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: programs from other regions of the country give to exist

1388
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas or Knoxville, Tennessee. That's a little side note,

1389
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: But yes, the answer to part one is yes, there

1390
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 1: are there are a lot of people who are rubbed

1391
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: the wrong way by that. Now, part two is how

1392
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: do they choose to cover it? Because you're talking about

1393
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 1: folks in the media. Some of them take it upon

1394
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: themselves to you know, wield their their shield in front

1395
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: of themselves, and we're gonna fix the sport, man, We're

1396
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna save the sport from itself. And the

1397
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: ideas are almost always horrible. But the second part of

1398
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: that is what if the answer is right in front

1399
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: of your face. What if the answer is just hiring better.

1400
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: It's why I am. I am such a big proponent

1401
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: of what Iowa State is doing. Like I'll talk about

1402
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: him until I'm blue in the face, because you're not

1403
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: going to sit around and you're not going to talk

1404
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: to me about how the sport is set up to

1405
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: make you fail at the expense of you know, some

1406
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 1: Southern team succeeding. When I got a team up here

1407
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: that doesn't rank in the top thirty in facilities, they

1408
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: never rank in the top forty in recruiting, and yet

1409
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:29,919
Speaker 1: they just won the Fiesta Bowl last year, like they're

1410
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: in playoff contention multiple years. The answer is not out

1411
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: the window like in a lot of these cases, the

1412
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: answers in the mirror, but no one wants to look

1413
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: in the mirror, and so a lot of people package

1414
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: up and to be clear, the reason why a lot

1415
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: of folks in our line of work say what they

1416
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: say is because they're sourcing is telling them these things.

1417
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: So if my source, if my network of sources are

1418
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of athletic directors, guess what the ads are

1419
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: telling me. Let me tell you what they're not telling me.

1420
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: They're not telling me, man, we're terrible blast us. What

1421
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: they're telling me is this sport is built against us.

1422
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: We are up against it. We have little to no shot.

1423
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: That's what they're telling you. So only it's only natural

1424
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: to hear that regurgitated a lot of places where you

1425
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: go for your college football consumption, I get told the

1426
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: same stuff by those folks. The difference is I try

1427
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: and filter it a little bit. And I try and

1428
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, maybe look around and say, uh, you know what,

1429
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: maybe if your budget is that size, and maybe if

1430
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: your facilities are that nice, and maybe if geographically on

1431
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: a map you're parked close to that many recruits, maybe

1432
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: it's not the sport that's holding you back. Maybe it's

1433
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: you that's holding you back. So yeah, and then there's

1434
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: a third group that really is in college football for

1435
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: reasons other than just loving covering college football and that's

1436
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: a whole other can of worms that no matter how

1437
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: I phrase it, when I open it, I'll be accused

1438
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: of going after journalists, which I was accused of last time.

1439
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: And so it's not at all. There's a lot of

1440
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: a lot of really really good college football journalists in

1441
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: our industry. I think there are also some who used

1442
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: that capital J to justify some very lackluster work that's

1443
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: done under false pretenses. Let me put it that way.

1444
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 19: My thing always is is if these people say, oh,

1445
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 19: we should have expansion, it's like, surely you realize that

1446
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 19: expansion almost definitely means a second SEC team is guaranteed

1447
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 19: to get in in a normal year, as in, who's

1448
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 19: ever second SEC West will the very least have maybe

1449
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 19: have two have two losses, one of which will be

1450
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 19: to a top three rank more than like the top

1451
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 19: three rick Alabama team Florida or Georgia in the East

1452
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,959
Speaker 19: one will have maybe one loss to a top rank

1453
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 19: Florida or Georgia team. It's insane to me, So you

1454
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 19: do like, I would absolutely love the idea when you

1455
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 19: mentioned a few possible a while ago about the your

1456
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 19: your dream SEC your dream playoffs Snario, I would absolutely

1457
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 19: love Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, and maybe like Florida State, all

1458
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 19: Southern teams they are frames would just explode.

1459
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 7: I woul absolutely love that, absolutely love it.

1460
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did that under the context of if I

1461
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: were a TV executive, and then a lot of people

1462
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: took it to mean they didn't hear me say TV executive.

1463
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: They just heard me say my name and hear the

1464
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: teams that I would love to be in, and so yeah,

1465
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I became a homer of those

1466
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: four teams and a hater of everyone else. But yeah,

1467
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: it's I would love for there to be perfect balance

1468
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: and perfect synergy in this sport. I'm not stupid. I

1469
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: see our numbers. I know that we make more money

1470
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: when more of the country is relevant. I get all that,

1471
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: but you can't manufacture it. Like, at some point it's

1472
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: up to them to make the proper decisions and proper

1473
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: hires in order to be nationally irrelevant. No one is

1474
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: about to look look at me and tell me Southern

1475
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: Cow's been down for an extended period because the sport

1476
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: just doesn't let them succeed. I don't believe that, Josh,

1477
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: hear me, I got you, man, Nice Polo. Oh, appreciate it.

1478
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 17: Hey, I was thinking you should make your own NFT

1479
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 17: card set with all the Joshas that you have from

1480
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 17: the sidelines and some of these games.

1481
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: Hey, I was thinking about this now. I now, granted

1482
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: I have people that are coaching me in this. I

1483
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: not to spoil the ending. I think there's some potential

1484
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: tied to our show when it comes to NFT, So

1485
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: let me leave that there. You can continue, but I

1486
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: have thought about it. Let me put it that way, Okay,

1487
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: I'll be first.

1488
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 9: Line for that whenever it comes out. So I as

1489
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 9: an aggie, I like.

1490
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 17: Seeing Sooners and Longhorns kind of stuck in the Big

1491
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 17: twelve right now, but I know that's going to come

1492
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 17: to an end soon. So I'm wondering if conference realignment

1493
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 17: was tomorrow, where do you think those two schools would

1494
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 17: try to position themselves.

1495
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 9: Where would they go?

1496
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 17: Which conference would they try to join or would they

1497
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 17: try to form a mega conference? I don't I know

1498
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 17: certain schools in the SEC would try to vote them

1499
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 17: out or cancel their bid to get in.

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01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 9: But if they had their their way, where do you

1501
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 9: think those two.

1502
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 7: Schools would go?

1503
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: I think the SEC would welcome me to one of them,

1504
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: I don't think they'd want in the SEC. They're you know,

1505
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: different programs want different things, Like some programs really care

1506
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: about the academic profile of a conference. Texas would be

1507
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: one of those, for example. That's why in the last

1508
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: round of expansion talks there was no Texas SEC was

1509
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: Texas PAC twelve. There is another bidder that would enter

1510
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: the room in very strong fashion, and that would be

1511
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: the Big Ten. The Big Ten would try and get

1512
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: both of them. And so if I could get if

1513
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: I were Oklahoma in Texas and I could get myself

1514
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,759
Speaker 1: into the Big Ten, I'm done, Like snap of a finger,

1515
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm there. If that's not a possibility, I

1516
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: think the PAC twelve would be the next place they go.

1517
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: And then the third possibility that's probably a more likelihood,

1518
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: is that super conference idea of a blend of PAC

1519
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 1: twelve Big twelve. I know there are some programs left

1520
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: out to dry there. Like we just talked about West Virginia.

1521
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: What happens to West Virginia. I don't know that they

1522
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: make the cut in that fourteen or sixteen team conference.

1523
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: Maybe it's for the best, Maybe they end up in

1524
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: the whatever the ACC becomes. But yet, if the Big

1525
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 1: ten was a possibility, man, the TV money would be

1526
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: so massive. I think both of them be on the

1527
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 1: first thing smoking to the Big ten if they could.

1528
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, I can see that.

1529
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 4: All right, let's go ahead and head over to Eric.

1530
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 4: He had a question about Florida, Florida State, and Miami

1531
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 4: all returning to real big national relevancy.

1532
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 20: What's going on, Josh, what do you think it's possible.

1533
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 20: Did you ever see Miami, Florida and Florida State ever

1534
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 20: at the same time together at the same time. I don't,

1535
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 20: wouldn't say in the national title picture, but all in

1536
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 20: the top ten, top fifteen, all recruiting top ten classes.

1537
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 20: And it doesn't I guess have to be all in

1538
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 20: state prospects because they're all recruiting. I guess against him

1539
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 20: and against Alabama, But I guess, how do you see

1540
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 20: that happen if it would?

1541
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So theoretically, yeah, they could all be in that

1542
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: top fifteen, top ten range. Now if we're all talking

1543
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,799
Speaker 1: about obviously top six, top five, that's a little bit different.

1544
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: Tell you one thing that helps is they're not all

1545
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: in the same conference. Two of them are, three of

1546
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: them were then there's just not enough room at the

1547
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: table for everyone. But yeah, like if Florida were taking

1548
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: care of business as they kind of are already, there's

1549
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: another step up the ladder they could take. But you know,

1550
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: Florida is obviously to the statue we're talking about right now.

1551
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: I think Miami's the next closest Florida state behind that.

1552
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: If you got head coach figured out, then you have

1553
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: the structure figured out. If you have the structure figured out,

1554
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: the right recruiting plans in place, the talent's all over

1555
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: the place. You can't walk out of your building and

1556
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: not stumble into four and five star talent. And here's

1557
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: the thing about that those guys are looking for a

1558
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: reason to stay home, like these guys. Dallas Turner did

1559
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 1: not grow up looking for a reason to leave the

1560
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: state of Florida. Agia Hall christian Ly really, and these

1561
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: guys don't want to leave the state. They have to

1562
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: because the best option for them is not inside the

1563
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: borders of their state. If you were to get things

1564
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 1: figured out, you got these guys who are looking for

1565
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: a reason to stay home, finally staying home. Certainly they

1566
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: could all be there. It's happened before like, this is

1567
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: not ancient history. I mean, we go back to the nineties,

1568
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: we go back to portions of the early two thousands.

1569
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: All these programs were good, they were all legit. Certainly,

1570
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: certainly the sport has shown us that Miami and Florida

1571
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: State can exist and coexist as elite brands in the sport.

1572
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: And at that point, you know, what Florida does in

1573
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: another conference would be independent of what those two are doing.

1574
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: It's not like in a smaller state where you're saying, oh,

1575
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 1: if one of them's good, the other ones can't be

1576
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: good because there's not enough talent to go around all

1577
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: these They could take their pick of the talent in

1578
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: Florida and that would be what seventy five players, and

1579
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: I could still go in there and build a top

1580
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: ten class with all of the leftovers. So that's how

1581
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: much talent there is in Florida every year. So yeah,

1582
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: I could absolutely see that whether the guys currently at

1583
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: the Helm are the right ones, that's the one where

1584
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: still kind of undecided.

1585
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 20: And if I could ask another one, if possible, they

1586
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 20: go about the coaches, out of the three coaches in state,

1587
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,600
Speaker 20: which one do you see getting I wouldn't because you

1588
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 20: say Mullen is possibly gonna leave. But if there were

1589
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 20: to be, if one coach would I think get fired,

1590
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:01,719
Speaker 20: which one do you think would be first?

1591
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 9: I think would be Norvel.

1592
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: Right now it would be Dan Mullen. It's crazy as

1593
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: and because the reason is because I can't say Norvel

1594
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 1: he's too early into his tenure as well. But you know, Manny,

1595
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 1: he's doing okay down there, unless we're talking about off

1596
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: the field scandal. The reason I say that with Mullen

1597
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: is because I think Dan Mullen would be the closest

1598
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: to having something go off the rails between himself and

1599
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: the administration. There is probably not evident on the surface,

1600
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: but you kind of hear whispers about sometimes behind the scenes.

1601
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm seeing that coming, but in that hypothetical,

1602
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: it wouldn't shock me if the answer ended up being

1603
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 1: Dan Mullen.

1604
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 7: Crazy.

1605
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: That sounds called. They're the best program right now out

1606
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: of those three.

1607
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 4: Thanks Eric, we are going to go to traven. He

1608
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,759
Speaker 4: has a question about Power five teams and their value.

1609
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 4: Hey Josh, how are you doing?

1610
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm good man, how are you doing?

1611
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 7: Pretty good?

1612
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 21: Before I get the football question, I've been wanting to

1613
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,759
Speaker 21: ask for a long time, what is your favorite opening

1614
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 21: scene or episode of the Office.

1615
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: A favorite opening scene and episode is Stress Relief Part one.

1616
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: They played it after the Super Bowl. I want to

1617
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: say in two thousand and eight. If I sound well

1618
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:15,799
Speaker 1: versed on this, it's cause I listened to a podcast

1619
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: about it last night. That would be the extended fake

1620
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: fire drill that Dwight plans. It involves a cat being

1621
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: thrown through a ceiling tile, not a huge cat guy,

1622
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: a printer thrown out a window. It's just basically it's

1623
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: extended chaos on Network TV for like four or five minutes.

1624
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: Someone has a heart attack and gets a wallet shoved

1625
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,560
Speaker 1: in his mouth till Swallow was on tongue. It was

1626
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: a really good time. And so that's my favorite episode

1627
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: and favorite open.

1628
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 4: Today's Smoking's going to Save lives.

1629
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Today's Smoking is going to save lives beautifully. Also,

1630
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,440
Speaker 1: they had the fake CPR dummy in that episode.

1631
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 21: Yes, So my question was about last night you talked

1632
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 21: about Power five teams and they kind of got me

1633
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 21: thinking about where does the value come from for Power

1634
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 21: five teams other than just obviously history of being more

1635
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 21: well known teams. The reference you used was if Cincinnati

1636
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 21: would have went and played Arkansas last year, it would

1637
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 21: have been viewed as a big win for Cincinnati, even

1638
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 21: though I think we you know, it had kind of

1639
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 21: been expected because Cincinnati seem to be a better team.

1640
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 21: Rock of Cincinnati would have played Tennessee last year, I

1641
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 21: would have expected them to beat Tennessee, even though I'm

1642
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 21: a Tennessee fan. But if Georgia beats Tennessee, it's not

1643
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 21: as big of a value for a bigger Power five team.

1644
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,719
Speaker 21: Where does that come from? And how does it get

1645
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 21: fixed to where it's just regardless of what convert you are,

1646
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 21: if you're a better team, you're.

1647
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 7: Expected to win.

1648
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 1: It doesn't get fixed because strength of scheduling is never

1649
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: even this doesn't happen in the NFL, because scheduling is

1650
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: is pretty proportionate year of the year, the strongest and

1651
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 1: weakest schedule in the NFL, I mean, there's there's this

1652
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: big gap between those two. Whereas in college football we

1653
01:14:55,280 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 1: routinely see Power five programs playing G five Pro and

1654
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: favored by forty five points. That's not not even remotely

1655
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: comparable the conversation, and so my problem with that, For example,

1656
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: the example I made last night. A Central Florida fan,

1657
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: I think that's the example I used. If UCF went

1658
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: and played Arkansas, they'd be a much bigger deal made

1659
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: about that win than if Texas A and M went

1660
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: and played Arkansas. Well, the reason's cause you know A

1661
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: and M plays them every year. But Central Florida. Here's

1662
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: the pushback I would get. And you'd be right about this.

1663
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 1: If you were a UCF fan, you'd say, okay, so

1664
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: you tell us to schedule up, Well, we scheduled the

1665
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: team we could schedule, and we went and beat them.

1666
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: And now you're mocking us for doing that. It's not mocking.

1667
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: That's not what I was doing. What I was saying

1668
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: is that is a perfect example that is indicative of

1669
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: how terminally flawed. Pretending that these two entities exist in

1670
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: the same bubble is to pretend that Central Florida is

1671
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: playing the same sport right now as Texas A and

1672
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: M is ludicrous because of the disproportionate strength of schedules.

1673
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: It's why I love watching G five football. I believe

1674
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: it should have its own postseason that takes that just

1675
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: takes care of all this for me. But yet you

1676
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: get pushed back because you know, we want our shot

1677
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: and there's more money over here at this table. Well

1678
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: there's more money cause it's a more established table, which

1679
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 1: fleeds back to the first part of your question, where

1680
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: does the value come from? It comes from brand, and

1681
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 1: brand's not built overnight. It's no different than what we're

1682
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 1: trying to do with this show. It's not bad. I

1683
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: don't ever take late kick and say why don't we

1684
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: get the attention sports center does? I think the answer

1685
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: there's pretty obvious. Brand matters. And to build a brand,

1686
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: just like to build the stature of a football program.

1687
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: Ohio State's been playing football for one hundred years, Michigan, Alabama,

1688
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: some of these places have been playing football for one

1689
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 1: hundred years. They are getting return on that investment through

1690
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: the brand that has been built there. You've got to

1691
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: still manage it properly, obviously, But you can't walk in

1692
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 1: the door of a country club that's existed forever and

1693
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: they finally let you and you sit down at the table,

1694
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: but then you start complaining that you don't have as

1695
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,280
Speaker 1: much on your plate as as this guy over here does.

1696
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 1: He's been here longer, man Like, that's just the way

1697
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna work. For a little while. But I say

1698
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: allow yourself to have a full plate. You just got

1699
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: to go to a different room in order to get it.

1700
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 1: And if you want to be in the big boy room,

1701
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to wait your turn. Florida State. We

1702
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: were talking about Bowden a second ago. Well, when he

1703
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: ended up going to Florida State, people know their history here.

1704
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 1: Florida State was a gnat on the college football windshield

1705
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: for a long time. Total afterthought, no one even knew

1706
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: there was a team in Tallahassee. Half the country was unaware.

1707
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 1: And Bobby Boden went there and he scheduled went way.

1708
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 1: He scheduled checks, is what he did. And they went

1709
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 1: and they got beat into a coma by every major

1710
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: program in the country. And they kept cashing the checks

1711
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 1: and cashing the checks, and eventually Florida State got a

1712
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 1: little profile, and they took all the money they were

1713
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 1: getting and they reinvested it into the program. And then eventually,

1714
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: not only did they matter, they were a powerhouse. But

1715
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: Bobby Boden didn't walk in and say we belong. But

1716
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: they did what you have to do in the sport

1717
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: of college football. No one wants that anymore. Because no

1718
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: one is of an oven mentality anymore. It's a microwave mentality.

1719
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: And so if you don't, if you don't get accepted

1720
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: within fifteen minutes, something about the sport is wrong. Something's

1721
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 1: broken and then needs to be fixed. Like we were

1722
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: just talking about. It don't need to be fixed at all.

1723
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: It's anything worth having. May some of it may take

1724
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 1: a little while. And so that's the only thing happening,

1725
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 1: you know right now that a lot of people get

1726
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: been out of shape about big question there.

1727
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 4: Nicholas has got a question about Big twelve parody and

1728
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 4: how the Big twelve stacks up gets the other Power

1729
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 4: five conferences.

1730
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 13: Hey, Josh, thanks for having us man. Yea, So Big

1731
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 13: twelve gets a lot of commentary that it's a lot

1732
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 13: cited conference, that it's an easy conference to play in,

1733
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 13: but you know, your Cyclones beat out a great team

1734
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 13: to get to the conference championship last year. For that

1735
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 13: Baylor was there. No one likes playing TCU by nobody,

1736
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:50,799
Speaker 13: I mean Texas and Tarik's Mountaineers field a good football

1737
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 13: team consistently. So do you think there's parody in the

1738
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 13: Big twelve. Do you think it's increasing parody or do

1739
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 13: you think Oklahoma and Axis are sort of pulling away

1740
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 13: from from the field, And then if there is parody,

1741
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 13: does a Big twelve get enough credit? You know, when

1742
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 13: you get stacked up against other conferences, you often see it,

1743
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 13: you know, in fourth position, just a both the PAC twelve.

1744
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,639
Speaker 13: So I guess I would ask you where you'd rank

1745
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 13: it compared to other power fives. And if below Dig ten,

1746
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 13: acc and god forbid Pack twelve, why I.

1747
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: Wouldn't put it below? The PAC twelve calls there is

1748
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 1: a national championship contender consistently in the Big twelve, but

1749
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: I would have it there at four. It's not because

1750
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma. It's because of the inconsistency, and overall, I

1751
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: think the leveling off of the quality of play below Oklahoma.

1752
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: If it were Oklahoma being a consistent top five team

1753
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: and then there's a consistent top ten team, and then

1754
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: there are three consistent top fifteen teams, that's depth in

1755
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 1: a conference in any given year. That's what you may

1756
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,759
Speaker 1: have in a conference like the SEC. In the Big twelve.

1757
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 1: What seems to me like is you got Oklahoma and

1758
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 1: then any given year Iowa State. It's nice, It's a

1759
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 1: nice story, right, now, and we take pride in that,

1760
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: by the way, but any given year, you could go

1761
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: from the top to really having to go down the

1762
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 1: scale a little ways before we find the next cluster

1763
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: of teams TCU and Baylor and whatnot. They could be

1764
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: hanging out in the thirty to thirty five range. And

1765
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: that's not all that much different than you get into

1766
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,600
Speaker 1: place like the Pack twelve. But the difference is you

1767
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: got meat on the bone at the top in Oklahoma

1768
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 1: and right now Iowa State that sort of carry the

1769
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,759
Speaker 1: water to where you look at superior to the PAC twelve.

1770
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: But buying large, ye, I'd put them in the fourth

1771
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 1: spot right now. I don't think there's a lot of

1772
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 1: parody in that conference at all. I mean, Texas should

1773
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 1: interject more. Texas hasn't been able to interject more. You know,

1774
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: there are a bunch of programs that have shown abilities

1775
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: to flash. Iowa States flashing right now. Iowa States should

1776
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: not be able to sustain. They're at such a disadvantage.

1777
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,719
Speaker 1: There's no way they should be able to sustain. Obviously,

1778
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 1: I can hope against hope that it happens, but TCU

1779
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:01,440
Speaker 1: has done it in the past, like you hope for rejuvenation.

1780
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: But then the fear is maybe things have kind of

1781
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 1: passed Gary Patterson by a little bit, like you got

1782
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 1: new coaching stabs in at places like Baylor. No, I

1783
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 1: don't think there's a lot of parody out there right now.

1784
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 1: I think the fact that Oklahoma State is consistently in

1785
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: the conversation there is not due to the fact that

1786
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: the caliber of that program is so elite or bordering

1787
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 1: on elite. I think it's a lack of other contenders

1788
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 1: that by default puts Oklahoma State in the conversation that

1789
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: probably they don't really belong in.

1790
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 13: So you can just throw this last thing out there.

1791
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 13: Do you square that with the big twelveth performance in

1792
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 13: bowl games this year with just sort of being a fluke?

1793
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 13: And do you think you think a conference where I

1794
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 13: grant you there's not like sort of a single like

1795
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 13: third place powerhouse, but it does seem like kind of

1796
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 13: a flashy conference where any given year, you know, we've got,

1797
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 13: you know, Oklahoma State at fifteen, Do you see you

1798
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 13: at fifteen, Baylor at fifteen?

1799
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: What have you? I don't. I've never really put stock

1800
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: in bold records, to be honest with you, and it's

1801
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: because aside from the disproportionate motivation levels that that's another

1802
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 1: variable that gets inserted into bowl season. Ball season is

1803
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: not handled the right way that you would need it

1804
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 1: to be handled in order to judge conference strength because

1805
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: it's not evenly seated. If I were to have the

1806
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 1: Big Twelve play, if I were to have the number

1807
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: three team in the Big Twelve play the number three

1808
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 1: team in the ACC, that'd tell me a little something.

1809
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 1: But right now, I watch the number two team here

1810
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 1: play the number seven team there. The two beats the

1811
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: seven by four points, and I hear that number two's

1812
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 1: conference is superior to number seven's conference. That doesn't tell

1813
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: me anything. It never has. I think it's one of

1814
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: the most low hanging fruit tired talking points. I'm not

1815
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: talking to you, I'm talking in general that a lot

1816
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 1: of people use, mainly because they have five hundred and

1817
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: fifty words do at the end of the day, and

1818
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 1: they just they don't have any better ideas, so they

1819
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 1: just talk about conference supremacy through bowl games. You could

1820
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 1: go you could go o fer as a conference and

1821
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 1: be a quality conference. You can go undefeeded in ball

1822
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 1: season and be a very lackluster conference. It's just it's

1823
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 1: kind of a random sampling, to be honest with you.

1824
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 13: Yeah, thanks, Josh.

1825
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 4: We've got Cayden up next. He wants to talk about

1826
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 4: a new model for playoff expansion. Hey, Josh, nice to

1827
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 4: just listen to a fellow Fortsner.

1828
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: Every now and then. Fort You are you, fort.

1829
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 22: Science, Fortsonian, fort sonaner whatever we're gonna call it now.

1830
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 22: I'm from that tiny little tail north of Columbus. So yeah,

1831
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 22: But what I want to talk about, it's a bit

1832
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 22: of listening to both you talk about playoff expansion that

1833
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 22: you're against it, listening to R. J. Young go on

1834
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 22: about how he wants twenty four in and trying to

1835
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 22: appease both sides, which is never gonna work, but it's okay.

1836
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 22: And the whole thing with bull lopped outs at the

1837
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 22: moment instead of just giving the playoff is signing the

1838
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 22: playoff and right after conference championship Sunday. There We've seen

1839
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 22: years where there could be anywhere with eight teams, they

1840
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 22: can make it. Why don't we just as sign bowl

1841
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 22: games before play the bowl games and so you have

1842
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 22: one more varia or one more data point, especially for

1843
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 22: teams like Notre Dame and I believe twenty seventeen that

1844
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 22: everyone knows they're not very good, but they're undefeated. Let's

1845
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 22: let them play someone that we think is pretty good

1846
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 22: but has a one loss because they have a tougher schedule,

1847
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 22: and just let's settle it on paper or not on paper,

1848
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 22: on the field, because that's the problem right now. And

1849
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 22: I think that it can help some of these Group

1850
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 22: of five teams that think that they deserve to be

1851
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 22: in which that's a whole other argument. If you put

1852
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 22: them up against an undefeated Clemson in the Fiesta and

1853
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 22: all of a sudden they pull off a win, I

1854
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 22: mean everyone's still playing. That's you're not going to have

1855
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 22: many opt outs if it's before the playoffs.

1856
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 1: If there were ever expansion, my two caveats will be

1857
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: Number one, no auto bids for any conference champion. That's

1858
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: a non starter for me or the G five. And

1859
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 1: number two, I would love for this idea to be implemented,

1860
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,639
Speaker 1: for us to tie in bowl season into the actual

1861
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: regular It's like the caboose on the end of the

1862
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 1: regular season, and then the playoff is its separate train. Entirely,

1863
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,639
Speaker 1: I think it does sort a purpose that the only

1864
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 1: hang up i'd have is in the structure, is in

1865
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: the finer points. I mean, for instance, how are the

1866
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 1: matchups happening like that twenty seventeen season. I think that's

1867
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 1: the year twenty eighteen. Let me let me go the

1868
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 1: next year, so twenty eighteen, yeah, that's when. So Notre

1869
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: Dame makes the playoff that year. Alabama I think was

1870
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: the one seed. Oh Oklahoma was the four seed. Okay,

1871
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: so it was Bama Clemson, and then it was Notre

1872
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 1: Dame Oklahoma, no one. Everyone wanted to play Notre Dame.

1873
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 1: No one wanted to play Oklahoma over Notre Dame. But

1874
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:45,679
Speaker 1: yet because of the seeding, Alabama as the one seed,

1875
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 1: got the tougher draw than Clemson as the two seed.

1876
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 1: And so how does your bowl structure work there? Like

1877
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: do you still keep the tie ins? Does the Rose

1878
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: Bowl necessitate that you have to have a Pac twelve

1879
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,839
Speaker 1: versus Big ten? Does that give Ohio State an unfair

1880
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 1: old matchup as opposed to maybe what? I don't know.

1881
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: A team from the ACC has to deal with all that.

1882
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: Stuff's got to be ironed out. It's just really hard

1883
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: to have absolute fairness in a sport that is so

1884
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: uneven and unequal and so nuanced, and it's not a

1885
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,879
Speaker 1: flat landscape. It's like looking over a mountain range.

1886
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:22,879
Speaker 22: I was just gonna say, like, instead of on selection Sunday,

1887
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 22: instead of selecting the four teams, just do the New

1888
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 22: Year's six bowls or however many bowls you want, with

1889
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 22: the matchups that you particularly want to see. So like,

1890
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 22: maybe this year it would have been Notre Dame versus

1891
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 22: A and M, or Cincinnati versus I don't know, Clemson,

1892
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 22: or Coastal Carolina versus Bama. Give us something a little

1893
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 22: bit different. Give the little schools. If they want to

1894
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 22: have a shot to knock off the king, then they

1895
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 22: have it. But it doesn't come at the cost of

1896
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 22: maybe Alabama falling out or something like that.

1897
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: But my problem there is I don't know how to

1898
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 1: state this other than the way I feel. I don't

1899
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: care if the little team wants a shot at the

1900
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 1: I care if they deserve it. That's what I care about.

1901
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: And so like anytime someone says in their hypotheticals we

1902
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: would have had, for example, Coastal Carolina against Alabama, it

1903
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 1: makes me want to throw up all over my computer.

1904
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 1: There is no world in which I am attracted to

1905
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: watching that. And there's also no world in which I'm

1906
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 1: attracted to the idea of that needing to happen on

1907
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: a field as part of any playoff. That's worth its salt.

1908
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: That's no knock on Coastal Carolina. It's only a knock

1909
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 1: if you're suggesting they belong in the same room as Alabama,

1910
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: Like that's the only knock there is. So yeah, but

1911
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 1: broad strokes. If I were to have to if I

1912
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: were to have to give up something in order to

1913
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: get something, Yeah, I'd like that general concept, as long

1914
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: as you let me write the rules for it. I

1915
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: don't think that's asking too much.

1916
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 4: Thank you, good question, Kaedden. Next we're going to go

1917
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 4: to Casey. He's got a question about Dan Mullen. Once

1918
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 4: you go ahead, Casey.

1919
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 23: Awesome.

1920
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Speaker 8: Hey Josh, it's really cool to get to just be

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Speaker 8: talking to you right now.

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Speaker 23: So thanks for doing this, Katy.

1923
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Speaker 1: Dan Mullen watches The show Man, so you need to

1924
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Speaker 1: be careful.

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Speaker 23: I'll be careful. I get this is good. I'm a

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Speaker 23: Florida fan, obviously very frustrated Florida.

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Speaker 8: Fan, and I guess I feel like the ceiling is

1928
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Speaker 8: either really high or really low. For Dan Mullen, and

1929
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Speaker 8: I feel like he has the potential to be a

1930
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Speaker 8: really great coach, but after last season and you just

1931
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Speaker 8: go through the things that you go through with him,

1932
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Speaker 8: on top of just really lackluster recruiting, I feel like

1933
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Speaker 8: we're kind of like stuck between a rock and a

1934
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Speaker 8: hard place, and I can't, like I can't sit here

1935
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Speaker 8: and justify like I can't justify keeping him or firing

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Speaker 8: him either, like solidly. And so I guess my question is,

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Speaker 8: if you're in Scott Strickland's use, how do you go

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Speaker 8: about thinking about the next few years with Dan Mullen?

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Speaker 23: What do you what do you like? What is your

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Speaker 23: mindset going into the next.

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Speaker 7: Couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is a good way to put it.

1943
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Speaker 1: This is an interesting too. So you've got a you

1944
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: got a conundrum here that if you're unhappy with your

1945
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 1: guy behind the scenes, and there's been some back and

1946
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 1: forth if you can read between the lines the sniping

1947
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 1: they've been doing, especially Dan Mullen in the media about

1948
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Speaker 1: his contract. He's not happy they haven't already extended him,

1949
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Speaker 1: and like you know, in my world, like I know,

1950
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Speaker 1: my contract's up in January of twenty twenty two and

1951
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Speaker 1: either CBS will come to me and extend me, or

1952
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Speaker 1: I'll be off to somewhere else. But in Dan Mullen's world,

1953
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Speaker 1: once you get inside three years and you haven't renewed,

1954
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Speaker 1: it's a weird deal. It's very unusual. That's why Harbaugh

1955
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 1: getting taken right to the wire of his contract that

1956
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 1: was so unusual. Whereas it may see, most of you

1957
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 1: don't even work on a contract, And if you do

1958
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 1: work on a contract, your mind would say, okay, well

1959
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Speaker 1: let's get to the end of the first one, then

1960
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 1: we'll do the second one. So yeah, there's a lot

1961
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 1: of uneasy this there behind the scenes. And so if

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Speaker 1: I were Scott Strickland, it depends on how I feel

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01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:09,640
Speaker 1: personally if I do not like this guy, but I

1964
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:11,599
Speaker 1: got to deal with it because he's winning right now.

1965
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Speaker 1: I just got to let it play itself out because ultimately,

1966
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Speaker 1: you know, I think what you said is correct. I

1967
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 1: don't think Florida is gonna float. I think they're either

1968
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 1: going to spike or end up falling off a cliff.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to float at nine or

1970
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Speaker 1: ten wins. So you'll be able to take action eventually

1971
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 1: if you want to. The other thing that I would

1972
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 1: look at is I would look at putting the expectation

1973
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Speaker 1: off the field, the standards that you want to hold

1974
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,560
Speaker 1: your program to, making that abundantly clear. And you know,

1975
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 1: if you don't meet those standards, you don't meet those standards.

1976
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of folks down there that

1977
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: you know this, that have been rubbed a very wrong

1978
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 1: way when they invest in that program. And then yeah,

1979
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 1: we may have won a game here and there, but man,

1980
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 1: we still didn't really do anything that we think we

1981
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 1: need to be doing at Florida. And we got to

1982
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: deal with this dude acting like a clown every now

1983
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 1: and then. That's not what I signed up for. If

1984
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm one of those big bullgat boosters, that's not what

1985
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Speaker 1: I signed up for.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, exactly.

1987
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Speaker 8: And it's just like, to me, the most frustrating part

1988
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 8: is the recruiting, Like, how do you be a head

1989
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Speaker 8: coach at the University of Florida and not take recruiting

1990
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Speaker 8: more seriously and not know that that's a vital piece

1991
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 8: to the puzzle. And it's just like to know that

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Speaker 8: he and the staff kind of have this lax of

1993
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Speaker 8: days cool attitude about recruiting.

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Speaker 23: To me, that's just a huge red flag.

1995
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Speaker 1: To answer your question, I don't know, because that doesn't

1996
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: come natural to me, like I'd want to be an

1997
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 1: all world recruiter. But I can say this, Dan Mullen's

1998
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:39,599
Speaker 1: not young, he's not new. He is who he is,

1999
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 1: and so for better or for worse, that's what we got.

2000
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 1: If I'm a Florida fan, that's what we got. And

2001
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 1: so we're either going to own the transfer portal to

2002
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 1: supplement what we don't do in recruiting. They're not bad,

2003
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: they're just not elite. We're either going to do that

2004
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 1: or eventually. That's why I said they're not gonna float.

2005
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 1: They're not gonna hover at nine or ten wins because

2006
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 1: they don't have an elite roster every year they have

2007
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 1: a really good roster. Will you play enough elite ones

2008
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,759
Speaker 1: to where there may be a five loss season somewhere

2009
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 1: on the horizon for all we know, and at that

2010
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Speaker 1: point you can take the action you want to take.

2011
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Speaker 23: Right Well, thank you so much, Josh.

2012
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, absolutely, man, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: All right, we'll head over to Charles. Charles, what was

2014
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Speaker 4: your question for Josh?

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Speaker 7: We had a couple here.

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Speaker 24: I just want to say thank you Josh for doing

2017
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Speaker 24: this call tonight. I think one of my call, or

2018
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Speaker 24: one of my questions was, you've been saying that Oklahoma

2019
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Speaker 24: is a Tier one program, which I guess is an

2020
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Speaker 24: arguable there. But my question is, if you have Oklahoma

2021
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 24: as a Tier one program, how could you not have

2022
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 24: Notre Dame as a Tier one program after they've been

2023
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 24: to the playoff twice eighteen what was it there? Went

2024
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 24: undefeated season recently? Just kind of I would love to

2025
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 24: hear your thought process behind it.

2026
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:00,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Notre Dame has not been dynamic back in

2027
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 1: any of those years. They were never a threat to

2028
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 1: win a championship. Because of that, I think the quality

2029
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 1: of roster at Oklahoma is better than the quality of

2030
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Speaker 1: the roster at Notre Dame. Right now. Now, I'm a

2031
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 1: dude who's high on Notre Dame. I'm not trashing Notre

2032
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 1: Dame whatsoever. Notre Dame is a very solid top tier

2033
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 1: two program for me. So let me qualify this by

2034
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 1: saying that I view Oklahoma as superior, because I think

2035
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give a huge adget head coach. I love

2036
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly, so I wouldn't say it like that. I

2037
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 1: would say that the recruiting apparatus right now at Oklahoma

2038
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 1: is it's marginally better. They have got quarterback figured out,

2039
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 1: and that's a huge deal in the sport. Obviously, that's

2040
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: the difference in potentially two or three games a year.

2041
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 1: And so really those things alone, I could talk for

2042
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:43,799
Speaker 1: five more minutes. Those things alone are the separators between

2043
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 1: like when Oklahoma here and moving forward, let me say,

2044
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 1: and now that they've got defense halfway figured out, when

2045
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 1: they get in a playoff because of what they are

2046
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 1: at quarterback, every year they can win a national champion

2047
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: until Notre Dame takes that next step at quarterback. That's

2048
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:00,479
Speaker 1: a team where if they get in the playoff, they've

2049
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:03,680
Speaker 1: probably maximized the potential of that year's team. Last year

2050
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 1: is a perfect example.

2051
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 24: That's who sating I mean, I was gonna I definitely

2052
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 24: see where you're coming from a quarterback and receiver. But

2053
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 24: when I mean along the line of scrimmage, I would

2054
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 24: argue that Notre Dame definitely has an edge at least

2055
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 24: offensive defense.

2056
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 1: Georgia does too. Georgia's got a big offensive line defensive

2057
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 1: line edge. What's it done for him. They had Stetson

2058
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 1: Bennon on the field last year, So Georgia's Georgia has

2059
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 1: been like Notre Dame on steroids. Georgia's had a better

2060
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 1: version of Notre Dame's roster through elite recruiting, but because

2061
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 1: they hadn't gotten quarterback figured out, there's been a lower

2062
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 1: ceiling on their potential when they've gotten in these matchups

2063
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 1: against Alabama, when they've gotten in championship caliber situations like

2064
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 1: they've they've been there, they've knocked on the door. So

2065
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,759
Speaker 1: they got a roster that good. It's that one position,

2066
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: that quarterback position, that's been the difference in a couple

2067
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 1: of championships for them versus still looking for one.

2068
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:55,800
Speaker 7: I see where you're coming from there.

2069
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,920
Speaker 24: But it also did get the Georgia a lead over

2070
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 24: Oklahoma when Oklahoma had the better quarterback with Baker Mayfield.

2071
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 24: I mean, I would say arguable that watching that game

2072
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:15,719
Speaker 24: that I think that throughout the Rose Bowl, I think

2073
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 24: that the lines of scrimmage at the end of the

2074
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 24: game were the difference in Georgia beating Oklahoma. When I

2075
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 24: think Notre Dame has closed the gap between them and

2076
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 24: other programs, and I would say that this last time around,

2077
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 24: the beat Clemson pretty handily the first time in the

2078
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 24: lines of scrimmage, and I would say that, yes, they

2079
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 24: did each other, butts kicked by Alabama because of the

2080
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 24: lack of skills players, lack of corners. But I would

2081
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 24: say that you can be a Tier one program. I

2082
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 24: would argue without having the quarterback figured it.

2083
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 1: Out that we got to wholeheartedly disagree on. We got

2084
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 1: a whole heartedly disagree on that one twenty five years ago.

2085
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 1: Alabama's done that. In the last decade and a half,

2086
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 1: They've been Tier one without a great quarterback. I think

2087
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 1: about the time Alabama changed their tune on that is

2088
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 1: about the time the tune in college football changed on.

2089
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:15,600
Speaker 1: That is how I put it. So it's still a

2090
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 1: pretty new concept, but it's I think it's reality today.

2091
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:20,200
Speaker 7: That's fair.

2092
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 24: I mean you also, Jacob Cocher won a championship Georgia,

2093
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:26,560
Speaker 24: so I mean it gives notre to d him a

2094
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:28,799
Speaker 24: lot of hope going into next season.

2095
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 9: So we'll see.

2096
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 4: Go to former Secretary of the Treasury Alex Hamilton, beautiful.

2097
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 25: First of all, I got to say, I'm buying all

2098
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 25: of Arkansas stocks, so there may not be any for

2099
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 25: you left once I get done. But my question is,

2100
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 25: you know, talking about culture in Arkansas, and what does

2101
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 25: it mean when someone like Barry Odom can't get coached

2102
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 25: by a Texas or you know, have a big Power

2103
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 25: five head coaching job, come callin and he chooses to stay.

2104
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:57,719
Speaker 25: You know what does that mean for like coaching staff

2105
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:00,600
Speaker 25: and even recruiting in the SEC in general? Is you

2106
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 25: know what Sam Pittman's doing down there, I think is

2107
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:03,440
Speaker 25: pretty spectacic.

2108
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 1: It means you've got the same kind of dynamic taking

2109
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,799
Speaker 1: shape that Clemson has. I think certainly people would scoff

2110
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 1: at that notion because they think I'm comparing Arkansas to Clemson. No,

2111
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 1: I'm comparing Arkansas's culture right now to the very infancy

2112
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 1: of when Dabo took over. And Sam Pittman's got a

2113
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 1: lot in common with Dabbo, like no one expects, no

2114
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 1: one expected anything from him. He was an afterthought when

2115
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 1: he got hired. Dabo was an afterthought when he got

2116
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: elevated the position of head coach. But yet something funny happened,

2117
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 1: Like they didn't really care about that. They they built

2118
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:35,440
Speaker 1: the right culture and people wanted it, like people gravitated

2119
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:37,879
Speaker 1: towards it. No one, No one was ever leaving Clemson,

2120
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 1: no one. No one wants to leave Arkansas right now. Well,

2121
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 1: that means you've got the very beginnings of a rock

2122
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 1: solid culture, that thing that everyone talks about but very

2123
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:48,960
Speaker 1: few people master. That's what they're starting to do. They're

2124
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,599
Speaker 1: The big question becomes obviously, can you hold it together?

2125
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:53,599
Speaker 1: Can you duplicate that year over year?

2126
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 7: Appreciate it?

2127
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah? Man?

2128
01:37:55,880 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 4: All right, Next we're gonna go to Christopher He actually

2129
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 4: I had a softball question.

2130
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 16: Oh boy, yeah, softball, nice and fun. Thank you for

2131
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 16: putting this together. I talk college football twelve hours a

2132
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 16: day if it was an option, but it's not. Give

2133
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 16: me your favorite stadium experience and your least favorite stadium

2134
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:16,679
Speaker 16: experiencing college football?

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Speaker 1: Oh man? You talking about just like in general, the

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Speaker 1: ones I like to go to and don't like to

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Speaker 1: go to.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, like, I had a great experience in

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Speaker 16: Kentucky right as a Florida fan. They treated me great,

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Speaker 16: we had a great time. I did not have a

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Speaker 16: great LSU experience. I did not get treated great, and

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Speaker 16: I didn't have a great time.

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Speaker 1: I love LSU. Now, I granted I'm in a different

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Speaker 1: part of the building than you would be. But I

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Speaker 1: love Lsu. Hey, let me tell you something now, Florida,

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Speaker 1: if you're a if you're on the road media, be

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Speaker 1: like I was down there a couple of years ago

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Speaker 1: when they played Auburn. The visiting media accommodations for field

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Speaker 1: level folks. If you're on the field, you can't see

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Speaker 1: the closet over here. It's about the size of this closet.

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Speaker 1: And it was about ninety four degrees that day. So

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Speaker 1: that was rough. And there are a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in our industry that don't shout regularly. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: so like there that day was brutal. It wasn't because

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Speaker 1: of Florida per se, just a perfect confluence of terribleness,

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Speaker 1: cramped quarters weather. But I love Lsu. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: another place I fell in love with immediately was Texas.

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Speaker 1: A and M only been there one time, but that

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Speaker 1: and I went there when I think they played Bama

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Speaker 1: that day and Bama blew them out. But I just

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Speaker 1: thought to myself, Man, if I could be here when

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Speaker 1: they are good, like when they played Clemson that time

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. I wish I would have

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Speaker 1: been there for that. But those those are and Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame was like on another level because I so

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Speaker 1: appreciate the history of college football. So when I went

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Speaker 1: up there, Georgia played them, and I went up there

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Speaker 1: to cover that game, and everybody in South Bend wanted

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Speaker 1: to impress folks from the SEC and they did. I

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Speaker 1: loved it up there, loved my experience. Could not say

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Speaker 1: enough good things about Notre Dame. So those are a

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Speaker 1: few of them appreciate it. Thanks Josh Yep.

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Speaker 4: All right, last, but not least, we're gonna go to

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Speaker 4: Daniel b.

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Speaker 26: We all know that rivalries of the life blood of

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Speaker 26: college football nowadays.

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Speaker 1: Like me, yes, they should play it. Yes, obviously should.

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Speaker 26: Play I mean, what do you think about like all

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Speaker 26: the politicking and stuff like that.

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Speaker 7: Aggie's over here.

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Speaker 26: Some I know people on both sides that are like, yeah,

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Speaker 26: we should play the game. There are other people who

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Speaker 26: are like, no, we shouldn't help them out. People that

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Speaker 26: say'd say the same things on the Texas side. I mean,

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Speaker 26: people have so many different opinions, and it seems like

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Speaker 26: everybody just hates each other talking about it.

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Speaker 7: What do you think about all of that going back

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Speaker 7: and forth?

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Speaker 1: You ever heard of casual fans say, oh, I don't

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Speaker 1: want that game to happen. Does anyone ever say that? No, no,

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Speaker 1: they don't because a bunch of people that you are nameless, faceless,

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Speaker 1: you've heard their names before, you know what their net

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Speaker 1: worth is. Maybe, but like it's just people who really

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Speaker 1: don't have much business in the sport. But yet, unfortunately

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Speaker 1: you have to balance it because in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 1: they fund the mechanisms for your program to matter in

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Speaker 1: the sport. It's it's just a shame, man. It's like

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Speaker 1: everybody who shouldn't be involved gets involved, and all the

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Speaker 1: elements that shouldn't be included get included. It's so easy.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's easy to say I think they should

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Speaker 1: play the game, which I do, most people out there

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Speaker 1: probably do. But then like you got people behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes that sort of you know, they straighten out their

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Speaker 1: sweater vest and they pull down their glasses and they

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Speaker 1: look down their nose at you and go you you

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Speaker 1: just go back to your nine to five job, like

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Speaker 1: you don't really understand how this works. And unfortunately the

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Speaker 1: verse is true. But yet also unfortunately they can write

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Speaker 1: checks that grant them the ability to look at you

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Speaker 1: that way, at least when it comes to college football scheduling.

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