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Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show Last Dance got off to quite
Speaker 1: a start last night. ESPN's ten part documentary series on
Speaker 1: the nineties Bulls an incredible sports story, but more than that,
Speaker 1: it's a human story. It's a reminder that athletes are
Speaker 1: just like US coaches, just like US gms, just like us,
Speaker 1: that they have feelings. You can look at this and say, well,
Speaker 1: you're a part of history, You're on maybe the greatest
Speaker 1: team of all time. But then you start to see
Speaker 1: some of the fractured relationships there, the petty jealousies, the
Speaker 1: ego that comes in workplace politics, between Phil Jackson and
Speaker 1: the GM, Jerry Krause. You got a glimpse into how undervalued,
Speaker 1: underappreciated Scottie pippenfelt. You know, Jordan tearing up watching his
Speaker 1: mother read a letter that he wrote to her in
Speaker 1: college when he was homesick at North Carolina. People think
Speaker 1: winning cures everything, money cures everything, but you can see
Speaker 1: early on in the last Dance that's not the case
Speaker 1: at all. As great as the nineteen ninety seven Bulls were,
Speaker 1: you can see the championship team falling apart right before
Speaker 1: your very eyes. And it started before the season started
Speaker 1: because you had a GM say to the coach, I
Speaker 1: don't care if you go eighty two, and oh you're
Speaker 1: not coming back. It's a story about ambition, competitiveness, and
Speaker 1: the ego. And we're only two episodes in and with
Speaker 1: no live sports on right now. It's going to be
Speaker 1: a lot of fun to see the story unfold in
Speaker 1: eight more episodes. I thought the first two episodes were
Speaker 1: really interesting. It's just a reminder for a generation that
Speaker 1: grew up with Jordan, but the new generation that I'm
Speaker 1: curious how the new generation consuming Jordan is going to
Speaker 1: feel about this. If you're under the age of twenty
Speaker 1: five and you're watching this, when it's all said and done,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about Jordan? Now? To me, it's
Speaker 1: just that reminder of who he was, that personality. Then
Speaker 1: you'd start to find out what was going on with
Speaker 1: a team that started out I think eight and seven
Speaker 1: that last year they were together, and Jerry Krouse gets
Speaker 1: a lot of blame. Jerry Kraus is probably the villain
Speaker 1: in the first two episodes, but understand this, and Jerry
Speaker 1: Krause is not alive. Jerry Krause has no one speaking
Speaker 1: for him. But Jerry Krause did do his job. You
Speaker 1: can say, how could you break up the bulls? Okay,
Speaker 1: he probably looked at this economically and said, Michael's gonna
Speaker 1: want thirty three million Scotty in the last year of
Speaker 1: his deal. Now he's going to want a new deal.
Speaker 1: He's gonna want to get twenty million, and he got injured.
Speaker 1: He missed the first thirty five games with the foot injury.
Speaker 1: He was actually right in some ways on can I
Speaker 1: keep this team together? You never knew about Dennis Rodden.
Speaker 1: You knew Ku Coach was a real talent. You knew
Speaker 1: Pippen had a problem, that Ku Coach had become maybe
Speaker 1: the Coach's pet, the GM's pet. But Jerry Krause found
Speaker 1: all of these guys. Michael Jordan falls into their lap.
Speaker 1: He on draft day swaps Olden Polonies for Scottie Pippen,
Speaker 1: who was out of Central Arkansas. He makes a trade
Speaker 1: where he says, I'm going to send Will Purdue a
Speaker 1: way to get Dennis Rodman in return. But he also
Speaker 1: drafted Ku Coach, and he waited for Ku Coach to
Speaker 1: come over to the United States. He brought in Phil Jackson.
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson was with the Albany Patroons of the CBA.
Speaker 1: I don't I met Jerry Krause, and if we had conversations,
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything. He wasn't somebody that you gravitated towards.
Speaker 1: I think that there was an ego of I've always
Speaker 1: picked on you know, your star player is calling you
Speaker 1: crumbs because you always had crumbs from your lunch on
Speaker 1: your jacket or your pants. He was not well liked,
Speaker 1: but he was respected by the owner, Jerry Reinsdorf. But
Speaker 1: he had to make a decision. And at the time,
Speaker 1: I remember going, how is the owners siding with the
Speaker 1: GM over the coach. I got the greatest player and
Speaker 1: great maybe the greatest coach of all time certainly in
Speaker 1: the conversation, but he's going to side with one over
Speaker 1: twelve fourteen players coaches because that's what they did. He
Speaker 1: was going to take the wrecking ball to this and
Speaker 1: it wasn't going to be something where you sort of
Speaker 1: ease out of being the greatest team or a dynasty.
Speaker 1: They took the wrecking ball to it, like it was done.
Speaker 1: I loved Jordan's loyalty to Phil Jackson. I loved it
Speaker 1: because it's rare where you have that reciprocation, you have
Speaker 1: that respect. And Mike said, hey, I'm not playing for
Speaker 1: anybody other than Phil Jackson. But there are a lot
Speaker 1: of different pieces there and you're just getting you're you're
Speaker 1: dipping your toes into this. Wait till you get to
Speaker 1: around six, maybe six or seven that those episodes, then
Speaker 1: you're going to get the four old storm here. You're
Speaker 1: gonna understand the magnitude. You're gonna understand the competitiveness, you
Speaker 1: understand the greatness there. I saw where ESPN had a
Speaker 1: poll question today and it was greatest basketball player of
Speaker 1: all time Michael Jordan or Lebron James. I go, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think you do that today. That might not
Speaker 1: be fair to Lebron today or the next couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: the next couple of mondays after this. Don't do that.
Speaker 1: Not fair to Lebron. I'm watching this and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: one thing, and it'll surprise you. Michael Jordan is still
Speaker 1: ghosting Lebron James. Lebron should be playing in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: maybe get another championship. Then he's got four. Now, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we have a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a conversation. Lebron's got to sit there just like us
Speaker 1: and watch this. As you know, we want to make
Speaker 1: sure that we rub it in. You're seeing somebody who
Speaker 1: is unlike anybody else we've ever seen. You have the
Speaker 1: timing with this which makes it so interesting. They moved
Speaker 1: this up now, they were going to have it in June.
Speaker 1: Imagine if you had this in June while Lebron is
Speaker 1: trying to play for a championship. This documentary is not
Speaker 1: even done yet, and we talked to the director last week.
Speaker 1: He said, I got a couple of them on the
Speaker 1: two yard line and a couple in the red zone here,
Speaker 1: but we're going to get it all done. You know.
Speaker 1: They sped it up to get it out in front
Speaker 1: of us. And Michael legacy will grow because of this
Speaker 1: because all it does is reinforce what we already knew.
Speaker 1: But the new generation who and I don't know. I
Speaker 1: was also wondering about this. Is there going to be
Speaker 1: a documentary on a team and or player twenty years
Speaker 1: from now, twenty two years from now? Where you go? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were fascinating. God, I love them. Man, that was amazing.
Speaker 1: Oh you had all that in fighting. They still do.
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna say, maybe the Patriots. I don't think
Speaker 1: the Patriots are interesting to people because I got a
Speaker 1: coach who doesn't talk. I have a quarterback who doesn't
Speaker 1: want to say anything negative. The only people would be
Speaker 1: interesting are the people behind the scenes or secondary players
Speaker 1: who might give you some cracks in the armor here,
Speaker 1: but I don't find that. I don't think the Patriots
Speaker 1: are interesting. The Bulls were fascinating. Fascinating because I had
Speaker 1: a zen Master is the coach who's six ten. I
Speaker 1: had Rodman, who I didn't know what he was going
Speaker 1: to dress like. I didn't know if he was going
Speaker 1: to go crazy again. I had Jordan, who we didn't
Speaker 1: know how great Mike could be. We knew he wanted
Speaker 1: to be the best player of all time, and he
Speaker 1: said that, hey, I want to be the great. There
Speaker 1: was never where Michael goes. Yeah, I'm okay with being
Speaker 1: a top five player. He wanted to be the greatest.
Speaker 1: I've always found Scotty interesting because I found that he
Speaker 1: was really shy, incredibly talented, but I also thought that
Speaker 1: he felt like he was undervalued, underappreciated because he was
Speaker 1: in Mike shadow. But because of Michael, Scotty became one
Speaker 1: of the great players of all time. If Scotty is
Speaker 1: on his own, I don't think Scottie Pippens one of
Speaker 1: the fifty greatest players of all time. Just don't wonderful player.
Speaker 1: But when he went on his own to Houston in Portland,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't healthy, he wasn't great, but what he
Speaker 1: did when he was there with Michael was incredible. They
Speaker 1: were a great tandem, unbelievable tandem there. So you start
Speaker 1: to look at these players, the relationships there. I think
Speaker 1: Jerry Reinsdorff comes out of this with no blood on
Speaker 1: his hands. The owner. It's almost like he's going like
Speaker 1: Robert Kraft with Tom Brady. Hey, we wanted Tommy to stay. Okay,
Speaker 1: the blood's on Belichick and not Robert Kraft. But it
Speaker 1: brought me back into a sweet spot when I was
Speaker 1: thrilled doing Sports Center. Got to cover the Chicago Bulls,
Speaker 1: got to be there for Sports Center, got to interview
Speaker 1: these guys after they were winning championships. Went to management
Speaker 1: to say to my boss, I am going to do
Speaker 1: those interviews next year because I was witnessing something that
Speaker 1: I'd never seen before. I wanted to be part of history.
Speaker 1: That's what it came down to. And Mark Jones love him,
Speaker 1: but I went to management and said, I want Mark
Speaker 1: Jones's job interviewing Michael Jordan after he wins these championships.
Speaker 1: I voted on all these awards, I voted for Jordan
Speaker 1: I think six or seven consecutive years for MVP, even
Speaker 1: when others had a better regular season and full transparency,
Speaker 1: I should have voted for Carl Malone or Charles Barkley
Speaker 1: because they did have better seasons regular seasons. It always
Speaker 1: came down to one question, who's going to win the idol.
Speaker 1: Mike went through Barkley, went through Malone when they won MVPs.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think Michael loved the fact that Charles
Speaker 1: won an MVP and Malone won an MVP so he
Speaker 1: could say, oh, you think they're the MVPs, watch me.
Speaker 1: He was motivated by everything anybody and the fact that
Speaker 1: you're going to go into a situation where you go,
Speaker 1: what's my motivation here? I don't know if I have
Speaker 1: a motivation. He just waited. He wanted to be told
Speaker 1: you can't do it, the odds aren't in your favor,
Speaker 1: and of course, being a gambler, he loved that. But
Speaker 1: it was wonderful, you know, it really was. It was
Speaker 1: a magical time. And I said this last week. Nobody
Speaker 1: criticized Jordan. I mean, they had they whispered about Mike,
Speaker 1: you know, off the court with things he was doing.
Speaker 1: But but you really didn't have You didn't have social media.
Speaker 1: Even now, you don't find people who criticized Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1: You know, basketball ability. You don't find anybody who says
Speaker 1: anything bunny right Lebron. It's it's always been day to day,
Speaker 1: game to game, almost quarter to quarter. But this is
Speaker 1: a whole different world when it comes to the media,
Speaker 1: how we approach what we can say, say it in
Speaker 1: real time. Other people can chime in on this, go viral.
Speaker 1: But I know that I said my piece about Lebron,
Speaker 1: although I do want to edit what I said. I
Speaker 1: said better score than Michael all around, I should have
Speaker 1: said better offensive force. From the standpoint of he can
Speaker 1: play five positions on offense and he can be I mean,
Speaker 1: he's going to finish second in the MVP race this
Speaker 1: year at his age, and he's going to lead the
Speaker 1: league and assist. So I think, you know, Lebron's ability
Speaker 1: to be able to create offense for everybody is better
Speaker 1: than Michael's. Michael, as far as a cold bloody score, yes,
Speaker 1: better than Lebron. But an offensive force, Lebron is able
Speaker 1: to do a variety of things. And I know what
Speaker 1: happens is you take something away from somebody or give
Speaker 1: somebody a little bit more credit than they deserve. And
Speaker 1: that's always dangerous because people record these things. People remind
Speaker 1: you of things that you say, as I had some
Speaker 1: people who reminded me over the weekend. Wait, you think
Speaker 1: Lebron's a better score like people just walking around? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well six feet away right? Hey, hey, talking hair? Do
Speaker 1: you think that what Lebron I'd be like? He's a
Speaker 1: better offensive force from what he does. He makes people better.
Speaker 1: Michael made you better by scaring the bleep out of you.
Speaker 1: You get the look, and that meant you weren't getting
Speaker 1: the ball. Judd Bushler, Steve Kerr, those guys would always say,
Speaker 1: you never wanted to look. If you got the look,
Speaker 1: you're in trouble. But I can't wait for people, a
Speaker 1: new generation to consume this and then what are their
Speaker 1: feelings on Mike After that, it's only gonna it's only
Speaker 1: gonna raise his you know, the the awareness of being
Speaker 1: the greatest player of all time, and there's a certain
Speaker 1: quality of you know, there's a mythological field towards Michael
Speaker 1: because if you're younger, you're going, yeah, I see the video,
Speaker 1: but when you see all of this and NFL Film
Speaker 1: or NBA Films did a wonderful NBA Entertainment did a
Speaker 1: wonderful job getting access to all of this and stuff
Speaker 1: that I didn't see. It's it's uh, it'll be a
Speaker 1: fun ride. And of course we're, you know, chewing this
Speaker 1: up because there's nothing else and it kind of put
Speaker 1: the draft on pause just a little bit. But we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that coming up, because the career assassination of
Speaker 1: two a tongue of ioloa continues and is it a
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory? Conspiracy theory, We're gonna know in a couple
Speaker 1: of days here, all right, we'll come up with a
Speaker 1: poll question. I got a stat of the day, Play
Speaker 1: of the day, Jimmy, and Chicago joins us. Hey, Jimmy, Hey,
Speaker 1: Then you were talking to the younger generation. Um looking
Speaker 1: at Jordan, and I think that you have you would
Speaker 1: have to be growing up in that time, the time
Speaker 1: that he played, watching the games, being able to go
Speaker 1: to one of the games that I was fortunate to
Speaker 1: go in ninety eight, and the funny thing is watching
Speaker 1: at the United Center. The one play that I remember
Speaker 1: from that entire game was a breakaway dunk that he did.
Speaker 1: He literally did the Jumpman logo for the Dune, but
Speaker 1: that's just that, just sixs with me um. But the
Speaker 1: way he did it in the nineties, the physicality of
Speaker 1: that decade, just the way he played. You would have
Speaker 1: to grow up in that time. So I think that
Speaker 1: the younger generation will get something out of this documentary.
Speaker 1: But being able to live that time and the way
Speaker 1: the time that he was playing, I think that's when
Speaker 1: that's when you really understood Tom the greatness of them.
Speaker 1: So right, well, thanks for the phone called Jimmy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're going to watch a game and you're
Speaker 1: not going to recognize how the game is played back
Speaker 1: then because it's completely different. Now we know that they
Speaker 1: weren't reliant on the three it was it was really
Speaker 1: a physical game and centers played a large role. Understand this.
Speaker 1: The Bulls would have taken a chem Elige one instead
Speaker 1: of Michael Jordan. They said it in the documentary. Everybody
Speaker 1: can say what they want about Michael Jordan. Oh, we
Speaker 1: all knew. Rod Thorne, who drafted him, didn't know. You
Speaker 1: could see the embryonic stages of greatness when you watched Michael.
Speaker 1: But you know Portland doesn't take Michael Jordan because they
Speaker 1: had Clyde Drexeler. Back then you were you were drafting
Speaker 1: for position. Nowadays you'd go, yeah, Clyde Direxeler and Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan together. Hell yeah, Hey, we're not going to take
Speaker 1: Clay Thompson. We have a shooter in Steph Curry. That
Speaker 1: might be the logic back then, but certainly not the
Speaker 1: logic now. Michael was there, A Keem was the one,
Speaker 1: and then Sam Booie, but a chem was the real deal.
Speaker 1: Like a came to I would have taken a number
Speaker 1: one over Michael and then Michael. You know, Sam Booie
Speaker 1: had injury issue. You know he was a little bit
Speaker 1: you know, he was frail and yah, hey but we
Speaker 1: got our big man. You don't think that way now,
Speaker 1: you take you take Michael. Well, if we redrafted, you
Speaker 1: would take Mike, but it keeps the first ballot Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer and one of the great centers, great players
Speaker 1: of all time. You know, it'd be interesting, But obviously
Speaker 1: you take Mike. But Akeem at the time, Patrick Ewing,
Speaker 1: at the time, they were considered better pro prospects than Michael.
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Speaker 1: I want you to be specific on the one thing
Speaker 1: that stood out with the Bulls documentary, Paul, I'll start
Speaker 1: with you back when Michael Jordan broke his foot. I
Speaker 1: think there was a eighty five eighty six year and
Speaker 1: they brought him back towards the end of the season,
Speaker 1: and he didn't he wanted to come back, and they
Speaker 1: didn't want him back because they wanted to get a
Speaker 1: better slot in the draft. And they capped him at
Speaker 1: seven minutes a half and I'd never heard that that
Speaker 1: the management a quarter of a quarter was I think
Speaker 1: it was seven a quarter? Okay. They told stan Albeck
Speaker 1: that if you play him more than that seven minutes.
Speaker 1: When it hit seven, like almost a buzzer would go off,
Speaker 1: and someone was told to stand outBut to pull him
Speaker 1: and they told him you'll be fired. The next day
Speaker 1: there was a game where there was fourteen seconds left,
Speaker 1: they were down one and they took Michael Jordan out
Speaker 1: with fourteen secon of stuff and they show the footage.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable footge of him on the bench. He looks
Speaker 1: like he's going to have a fit. He really is
Speaker 1: having a fit. And they and somehow Paxson gets a
Speaker 1: game winner. But he says they locked the door and
Speaker 1: they were really mad. He said Michael never got over
Speaker 1: that with management. Well, they were trying to protect Michael
Speaker 1: from Michael with his foot and you know, looking at
Speaker 1: this with the long haul, you know, Michael talks about
Speaker 1: when he and Jerry reinsdor If, the owner, sat down
Speaker 1: and they were telling him, look, you got a broken foot,
Speaker 1: coming back from a broken foot. Here are the odds.
Speaker 1: Here's what both of those parties had to say. Michael asked, well,
Speaker 1: if I play, what percentage is there I'm going to
Speaker 1: get hurt again. Doctors said ten percent, and I just
Speaker 1: lost it. I said, look, it's ten percent chance, but
Speaker 1: it's ninety percent chance that I won't. And then I've
Speaker 1: chimed in the doctors what happens if the ten percent
Speaker 1: kicks in? And they said, well, then his career would
Speaker 1: be all well, everybody's just thinking about the negative. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the glasses half full. Everybody think it is
Speaker 1: half empty. So I said to Michael, you're not understanding
Speaker 1: the risk reward ratio. If you had a terrible headache
Speaker 1: and I gave you a bottle of pills and nine
Speaker 1: of the pills would kure you and one of the
Speaker 1: pills would kill you, would you take a pill? Look
Speaker 1: at him, I said, it depends on how bad headaches.
Speaker 1: It's not a glass half four, glass half empty. It's
Speaker 1: a glass that's ninety percent full or ninety percent empty.
Speaker 1: In his mind setan what stood out to you, Well,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of to echo a little bit what
Speaker 1: you said in the first segment, but just how much
Speaker 1: everybody hated Jerry Krauss, And yet you can't really argue
Speaker 1: with a lot of the decisions that he made. They
Speaker 1: seem to be the right thing to do, Just like
Speaker 1: that example with the foot, you know, the right thing
Speaker 1: to do was to sort of limit Jordan's minutes and
Speaker 1: look long term for his career, or or you know
Speaker 1: the trade that they pulled off to get Pippin or
Speaker 1: some of those other moves. It was almost like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he did he did a lot of good things, but
Speaker 1: nobody really liked the eye. Just the fact that and
Speaker 1: I've told this story, I know many times, but I'm
Speaker 1: there covering that draft where I got Olden Polonies and
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen. And back then when we were covering the draft,
Speaker 1: I was sitting next to Olden Polonies and Pippin I
Speaker 1: believe was behind me or in front of me. One another.
Speaker 1: You got a hat, say the team hat on. Olden
Speaker 1: Polonies had a Bulls hat and Scotty had a Seattle
Speaker 1: SuperSonics hat on, And all of a sudden we're interviewing
Speaker 1: them and just asking them about going to their new teams,
Speaker 1: and then you hear we have a trade, the Bulls
Speaker 1: and the Supersons. So Scottie and Olden Polonies exchange hats
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you go, all right,
Speaker 1: let me ask Olden Polonies about the Seattle SuperSonics, like
Speaker 1: you're just and this is crazy that just happened, and
Speaker 1: you think about the Bulls wanted Scottie Pippen, and really
Speaker 1: nobody had heard of Scottie Pippen at a Central Arkansas.
Speaker 1: We would know about him now, but back then, nobody
Speaker 1: knew anything about Scottie Pippen other than this was a
Speaker 1: guy who had sort of the abilities to maybe be
Speaker 1: something good, but you just didn't know because he didn't
Speaker 1: play against anybody. But he here's six seven long arms.
Speaker 1: It looked like he had a nice shot, good defender.
Speaker 1: But we had no idea. We knew about Olden Polonies.
Speaker 1: We had seen Olden Polonies play. Yeah, Dan, I remember
Speaker 1: that draft, specifically, the Bulls with the fifth spot got
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen, and as a kid, Rick Tellingder, I remember
Speaker 1: writing about it, saying, the only highlight of this is
Speaker 1: going to be Pippin Tippin. Like they thought it was
Speaker 1: a wasted pick. You need a sure thing to help
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. He needed an enforcer. They loved Olden Polonies,
Speaker 1: this big guy. And then later in the draft they
Speaker 1: took Horse Grant, who was a nice power forward out
Speaker 1: of Clemson, not a basketball school, and they passed on
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller. And people in Chicago like, you could have
Speaker 1: had another great score to help this guy out. It
Speaker 1: didn't go over well that day. Yeah, but even Reggie
Speaker 1: going to Indiana was not a popular choice because they
Speaker 1: they weren't sure how durable Reggie Miller was. He weighed
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty pounds and they weren't sure, if
Speaker 1: you know, they were worried about how he would run.
Speaker 1: They had no idea that Reggie Miller was going to
Speaker 1: be Reggie Miller. You know, I love that. You know,
Speaker 1: after the fact, we can look back and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew that that guy was. If you would have
Speaker 1: said who was going to have a better career, I
Speaker 1: would have said Olden Polonies over Scottie Pippen because I
Speaker 1: had no idea what I was seeing with Scottie Pippen.
Speaker 1: You know. But the Bulls did make mistakes, you know,
Speaker 1: they you know, they with some of these draft picks,
Speaker 1: but every team does. It's when you when you do
Speaker 1: something correct, how big is it? And the Bulls made
Speaker 1: some huge, huge decisions. You're drafting coup Coach. We had
Speaker 1: just heard about coup Coach. We knew this guy. He's
Speaker 1: you know, he's the best international player we've ever seen.
Speaker 1: And you know, we were always skeptical about that because
Speaker 1: you're thinking, all right, you know, come over here, probably
Speaker 1: be a jump shooter, be a little soft. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you saw kup coach who had
Speaker 1: a lot of ability at six ten. You know, the
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen move, that's a big move. Bring in Phil Jackson,
Speaker 1: that's a big move. Just those right there, Fritzie. What's
Speaker 1: the one moment stood out just how horribly underpaid Scottie
Speaker 1: Pippen was. And they they showed a graphic of behind
Speaker 1: Harper and Longley in cou Coach, and then the dichotomy
Speaker 1: of Phil Jackson saying he wasn't selfish by sitting out,
Speaker 1: and Michael Jordan just saying, hey, that was selfish that
Speaker 1: he put himself ahead of the team and he should
Speaker 1: have gotten that foot surgery and not worried about it.
Speaker 1: How it was going to fect his summer and get
Speaker 1: ready in time for the next season. It's easy for
Speaker 1: Michael to say, you know, it's kind of selfish on
Speaker 1: Scottie's part that he didn't want to ruin his summer.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to have surgery on his foot and
Speaker 1: he didn't want to ruin his summer. Michael, I think
Speaker 1: it was making neither thirty or thirty three million dollars.
Speaker 1: Scotty was making around three million, Yeah, Poling. Scotty signed
Speaker 1: a seven year, eighteen million dollar contract with the Bulls.
Speaker 1: It was after his rookie contract, so he was his
Speaker 1: third year in the league. He made seven straight All
Speaker 1: Star appearances, won six titles, and got paid eighteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: Now after he left the Balls. With the Rockets and
Speaker 1: going forward he made eleven million, fifteen million, fourteen million,
Speaker 1: eighteen million, nineteen million, five and four he made ninety
Speaker 1: million dollars after leaving the Bulls. You know, when you
Speaker 1: sign a contract, it always seems at the time this
Speaker 1: is a great contract, and then not long after that,
Speaker 1: you go, this isn't a good contract. A seven year
Speaker 1: contract is forever. You never want to sign that seven
Speaker 1: year deal in your prime. Now, I know baseball, you
Speaker 1: know basketball. These are guaranteed contracts. But Scottie and what
Speaker 1: he meant to the Bulls, you know, is he what
Speaker 1: commensurate to what might comment? No, not at all? Is
Speaker 1: he up there is maybe the second best teammate, like
Speaker 1: I was wondering about that too, The second best teammate
Speaker 1: of all these great players. If I said Larry Birds,
Speaker 1: second best player was Kevin McHale. If I said Shack
Speaker 1: and Kobe, Kobe and Shack, David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Stockton Malone.
Speaker 1: You know, Stockton Malone obviously didn't win, but that was
Speaker 1: that's as good at regular season combination as you'll find
Speaker 1: an NBA history. Oscar had lu all Sindoor with the
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks. You know, Russell had a Hall you know,
Speaker 1: an entire roster of Hall of Famers. But you're looking
Speaker 1: at Michael and Scottie. That's pretty good. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you'll get much argument there, McLevin. What stood out
Speaker 1: at the line set out to me was when Jerry
Speaker 1: Krause called Phil Jackton the office and said it, even
Speaker 1: if you win eighty two games, you're gone. That's gotta
Speaker 1: be the craziest statements its history because we all know
Speaker 1: what happened. Phil wins fire titles and Krause has ten
Speaker 1: straight lotteries or something. It's nuts. Why would he do that.
Speaker 1: He was hell bent on making sure that they were
Speaker 1: going to start over and he could prove that he
Speaker 1: could do it again because he got no credit back then.
Speaker 1: Phil got okay, started with Michael and then Phil. Those
Speaker 1: two got you know, most of the praise there and
Speaker 1: rightfully so. But Jerry Krause was the guy down in
Speaker 1: the basement making you know, formulas and trying to create
Speaker 1: something here and he was not getting anywhere, even winning
Speaker 1: all those titles. I don't know how many times did
Speaker 1: Jerry Krouse win Executive of the Year. Can we check
Speaker 1: and see how many times he wanted? Because I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know how many. Maybe he was decorated with that,
Speaker 1: but you're just going you gotta be kidding me. But
Speaker 1: Jerry Krause, and he was not media friendly, media savvy.
Speaker 1: I think he wanted the attention. I think he wanted
Speaker 1: the love in appreciation. I don't know if he knew
Speaker 1: how to go about it. But Phil had a mystery
Speaker 1: about him. Michael had a mystery about him, Jerry Krause,
Speaker 1: you looked at him, You go, I think I figured
Speaker 1: that guy out. After five minutes, I will get some
Speaker 1: more phone calls. Best and worst of the weekend. We
Speaker 1: will have ours. Peyton Manning will join us coming up
Speaker 1: next hour, and Reggie Miller will join us in the
Speaker 1: final hour of the program. Do you have that Jerry
Speaker 1: Krauss information. Yeah, he won Executive Year eighty seventy eighty eight.
Speaker 1: That was the year they drafted Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant.
Speaker 1: And then he won Executive Year ninety six. Okay twice.
Speaker 1: How many times did Phil Jackson win Coach of the Year.
Speaker 1: I don't think Chuck Noll ever won Coach of the
Speaker 1: Year in the NFL. For some reason, that stands out
Speaker 1: when you want to have less of them so people
Speaker 1: could say you were underappreciated. Though I'd rather have the
Speaker 1: rings and be underappreciated. Oh. I don't know if Phil
Speaker 1: is lamenting the fact that he maybe didn't win Coach
Speaker 1: of the Year as many times is because you'd always go, well,
Speaker 1: yeah got Jack and Kobe, Hey you got Michael and Scotty. Yeah, point,
Speaker 1: I gotta check this this. I think and drugs. I
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson may have only won Coach of the Year once,
Speaker 1: okay six with the Bulls. Yeah, I do not have
Speaker 1: him winning it again. We love the underdog story where
Speaker 1: you you take a team that's maybe not a playoff
Speaker 1: team and they win forty two games and you go, man,
Speaker 1: that guy. He did a great job. I mean what
Speaker 1: Phil did? Phil managed personalities. Now, you had a game
Speaker 1: plan here, but you managed personalities. It feels like he
Speaker 1: had as long as he had Michael, he had a
Speaker 1: coach on the floor. But what Phil did as he
Speaker 1: managed personalities, he wasn't able to manage the personalities of
Speaker 1: Shack and Kobe as well as he did, you know,
Speaker 1: But you had Scotty who understood his place in the
Speaker 1: pecking order Kobe and Shack. It's like, I'm I'm the alpha, No,
Speaker 1: I'm the alpha. Scotty understood that he was Robin the batman.
Speaker 1: He did. Now when Michael left, then Scottie became Batman
Speaker 1: and had a hard time with that at times, had
Speaker 1: a hard time with that, with everything that comes along
Speaker 1: with that. All right, Well, which pole question today, mcloven.
Speaker 1: I'll get into this too. A tongue of ioloa coverage
Speaker 1: and is there a conspiracy theory attached to how he
Speaker 1: is being roughed up in the media. We're trying to
Speaker 1: come up with a Scottie Pippen pole question whose career
Speaker 1: would you rather have? Scottie Pippen and some of the
Speaker 1: other Robbins I came up with Clay Thompson, is that
Speaker 1: a possibility? Is Dwayne Wade Lebron's Robin? Or is that unfair?
Speaker 1: And shacks Robin like, basically would you want Scottie Pippen's career?
Speaker 1: And Fritzie had a great question, is it a compliment
Speaker 1: to be Robin? Well, it depends on who's batman. If
Speaker 1: Michael's my batman, I'm okay with me and Robin and
Speaker 1: Scotty was. But you know, did Dwayne Wade have to
Speaker 1: learn how to be Robin to Lebron's batman? Because if
Speaker 1: you're a batman and that all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 1: Lebron comes down, you might be reduced to being Robin
Speaker 1: after that. But if you respect him and you're fine
Speaker 1: with it. I think Dwyane Wade appeared to accept that
Speaker 1: and was good with that. Jack and Kobe they could
Speaker 1: never settle on who was Batman? Who was Robin? And
Speaker 1: I'm sure if Kobe were alive today, he'd think that
Speaker 1: he was Batman, and Shack would tell you that he's Batman.
Speaker 1: I don't think Stockton had any interest in being a star.
Speaker 1: I think he wanted to be great at what he did.
Speaker 1: I think Karl Malone wanted to be viewed as a superstar,
Speaker 1: and being in Salt Lake probably didn't get as much
Speaker 1: attention as he deserved. When you look at the all
Speaker 1: time list, I mean, it's hard to be underrated scoring
Speaker 1: thirty seven thousand points, but Karl Malone might be underrated.
Speaker 1: Who else do you have there? McLevin question? Who is
Speaker 1: the Robin? With Kareem and Magic and the eighties lagers? Well,
Speaker 1: I think it turned. I think it flipped. I think
Speaker 1: it became Magic was Batman. It became Magic's team. I
Speaker 1: know that Kareem was was not lu Al Sindor, he
Speaker 1: wasn't the earlier Kareem. He's still very good. He led
Speaker 1: the league in scoring. I think he might be the
Speaker 1: oldest guy to ever lead the league in scoring. But
Speaker 1: that became Magic's team, and I think Magic kind of
Speaker 1: was drawing out of Kareem. The joy of the game,
Speaker 1: having fun with the game, something that Kareem I don't
Speaker 1: know if he ever did. Yeah. P you know another
Speaker 1: quote from last night that really stood out to me
Speaker 1: is they had a clip of Bob Knight, who was
Speaker 1: the Olympic coach in eighty four. Remember this is the
Speaker 1: summer before Jordan was a rookie, and Bob Knight says,
Speaker 1: he's the best athlete I've ever coached. And he starts
Speaker 1: working it out and the quote he goes, He's actually
Speaker 1: actually the best player I've ever coached. And then they
Speaker 1: asked Bob Knight, well, what should the Trailblazers do. They
Speaker 1: don't need a they need a center. Draft center. He'll
Speaker 1: be the best center in the league. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: great quote by Bob Knight. All Right, Play of the
Speaker 1: Day is coming up next, and then we'll dive into
Speaker 1: the tuatango by loa topic Peyton Manning next hour. Reggie
Speaker 1: Miller will join us in the final hour of the show.
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Speaker 1: the game. Sixty three points and you're looking at an
Speaker 1: all time record. Oh, Michael Jordan, that was a fantastic
Speaker 1: rool Curtis Is CBS thirty four years ago today, Mike
Speaker 1: scores sixty three against the Celtics in the Garden. To
Speaker 1: this day, that stands is the most points scored in
Speaker 1: a playoff game. Bulls ended up getting swept in the series.
Speaker 1: Had Benatar hit me with your best shop? Now, keep
Speaker 1: in mind nineteen eighty six. That team had Larry Bird,
Speaker 1: Kevin McHale, Bill Walton, Robert Parris, and Dennis Johnson, five
Speaker 1: Hall of famers. They were coached by another Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: Casey Jones. The Chicago Bulls were trying to put the
Speaker 1: second loss on the Celtics in the Garden that year.
Speaker 1: During the regular season, Boston went forty and one at home.
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Speaker 1: put up sixty three points. Didn't have a three point
Speaker 1: shot I think he made. He might have taken just
Speaker 1: over forty shots in that game. Most of his made
Speaker 1: most of his free throws. But that's when Larry Bird,
Speaker 1: the ultimate competitor, is saying, that's God disguised as Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan what he did. He also put up I think
Speaker 1: like forty nine in a game against the Celtics. Just
Speaker 1: wild stuff, all right. I mentioned Tutonga Violoh. That Wonderlick
Speaker 1: test scores came out, and at first it was reported
Speaker 1: that he had a thirteen, and then it was reported
Speaker 1: that that was last year that he took the Wonder
Speaker 1: Lick while at Alabama, and then he took it again
Speaker 1: this year, and I think out of nineteen. One of
Speaker 1: these days these players are going to say I'm not
Speaker 1: taking the Wonder Lick because if you're gonna make it public,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden we start to look at,
Speaker 1: you know, the intelligent intelligence level of some of these players,
Speaker 1: and it's unfair to them. I know that the teams
Speaker 1: want to know, But if I look at the list
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks who did well on the wonder Lick and
Speaker 1: those who didn't, is it really a test of how
Speaker 1: football smart you are? Now? I know you scouts will
Speaker 1: tell you this. We just want to know how you
Speaker 1: process the information. Are you quick in processing the information?
Speaker 1: You can be a bright football mind. Maybe you're not
Speaker 1: going to be book smart. And I felt bad for
Speaker 1: toa because you know, is this it just feels like
Speaker 1: it's open season on tour right now. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if some of this is by design. Before you say,
Speaker 1: well that's crazy, why would it be by design? If
Speaker 1: you're a team, let's say you're Jacksonville, Let's say you're Carolina.
Speaker 1: Let's say you're the Raiders. Let's say you're New England
Speaker 1: and he could fall into your lap. Now, do you
Speaker 1: have information misinformation? Absolutely? Absolutely? You know there's leaks. Every year,
Speaker 1: there's a leak. Somebody leaks the Wonderlick test scores every
Speaker 1: single year. I'm waiting for the NFL to go. If
Speaker 1: we find out who did it, we'll fire you and
Speaker 1: protect these players. Yeah, really protect these players. We had
Speaker 1: Boomer as Siason on. Boomer was on with us last
Speaker 1: week and I asked him about Tuah and what's going on,
Speaker 1: and he kind of brought up the conspiracy theory with
Speaker 1: the Patriots. When you're listening to guys like Mike Tannebaum
Speaker 1: and uh, Mike Lamarty just absolutely destroying to you, wonder
Speaker 1: if there's some sort of conspiracy thing going on between
Speaker 1: Nick Saban and Bill Belichick to get up to New England,
Speaker 1: although I don't necessarily know that the Patriots have the
Speaker 1: draft capital capital to do it. Yeah, that's Boomer, And
Speaker 1: it just feels like there's sort of this ground swell
Speaker 1: with Tuah. You know, you had Trent Dilferd come out
Speaker 1: and tell you he's the greatest he's ever seen, and
Speaker 1: you know he throws better than Aaron Rodgers and Dan
Speaker 1: Marie like, and Trent's working with Tuah. You know, you
Speaker 1: have this game of tenant verbal tennis where you're somebody
Speaker 1: throws out something and then you have to have somebody
Speaker 1: who protects that or corrects it. Hey, no, that's not
Speaker 1: the case. Oh, he's healthier now than he's ever been.
Speaker 1: He's healthier than he was when he was at Alabama,
Speaker 1: like all of these things. Oh, he throws the best
Speaker 1: ball I've ever seen. He's the next Drew Brees. And
Speaker 1: then you have somebody else who say, man, you know,
Speaker 1: my source said he'll go three or twenty three. I
Speaker 1: mean crazy, right, But that's where we are. Justin Herbert's
Speaker 1: moving up. All they are not Dolphins aren't interest in
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert? And then I check with my source and said, no,
Speaker 1: they don't be surprised if they take him. And I go,
Speaker 1: you know what happens once the draft is over, We
Speaker 1: move on. We don't think back to what happened leading
Speaker 1: up to the draft, where there is a system that
Speaker 1: goes on. It feels like every draft, change the names,
Speaker 1: but it's still there's a guy rising guy. Remember Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: You know I'm here on the Dolphins are really interested
Speaker 1: Now I'm here in Jordan Love in the second round.
Speaker 1: So that's how crazy all of this is. And nobody
Speaker 1: you know who's telling the truth. You don't know who's
Speaker 1: telling the truth until after the draft. And then we
Speaker 1: don't go back and revisit with some of these people said,
Speaker 1: but the Wonderlick test scores came out. If you want
Speaker 1: to find them, you can, but I did. I felt
Speaker 1: bad for some of these quarterbacks when that information got out.
Speaker 1: And if I had a client and he didn't want
Speaker 1: to take it or just didn't feel like it was appropriate.
Speaker 1: I mean, what is the upside? All right? If you
Speaker 1: run a four five forty and you're a quarterback, I'm interested.
Speaker 1: If you get a forty four on the Wonderlick, I'll
Speaker 1: go all right, great. There are guys who were unbelievable
Speaker 1: taking test SAT. They're unbelievable. I mean, Greg McElroy is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: He's thrown as many touchdown passes and I as I
Speaker 1: have in the NFL as of late. He's a broadcaster.
Speaker 1: You can be smart, you know, Ryan Fitzpatrick is smart,
Speaker 1: but there are times you watch him on one day
Speaker 1: and go, boy, that was a dumb move, right, But
Speaker 1: one maybe they should do away with this. Each team
Speaker 1: should have something that they want to use for their
Speaker 1: respective draft picks. Not an overall test here, because I
Speaker 1: do think it unfairly singles out some of these players. Yeah, Polly,
Speaker 1: I don't think I want my football players getting a
Speaker 1: fifty out of fifty out of Wonderlock. I want them
Speaker 1: right nice, middle of the road, focused on football getting
Speaker 1: decent grades getting by. And I looked at the top
Speaker 1: wonder Look scores of quarterbacks. There's not a lot of
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers up there either, So the low end
Speaker 1: range and the high end range, there's there's nothing, there's
Speaker 1: no rhyme or reason to it. As far as football
Speaker 1: ability and football performance. I know that they look at
Speaker 1: this and I'll give you the exact wording of what
Speaker 1: they are measuring for cognitive ability and problem solving aptitude
Speaker 1: to players. Over time, test scores have become increasingly looked
Speaker 1: over as not a good measure of a player's football abilities. However,
Speaker 1: it's still allows for fans and analysts to speculate what
Speaker 1: it means for player's future. Yeah, what we do is
Speaker 1: we label them. Peyton Manning will join us. Coming up
Speaker 1: next hour, Reggie Miller will stop by. More of your
Speaker 1: phone calls, best and worst of the weekend. We'll give
Speaker 1: you hours as well. One hour in the books on
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