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Speaker 3: And it's like I have a go and you you

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Speaker 3: I'm like, right now here, if your heads down here

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Speaker 2: And as I'm trying to.

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Speaker 1: Get the room, then a job, it's me all right,

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Speaker 1: I need you here, and I need you having to

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Speaker 3: I know that and.

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Speaker 1: The scouting report and you want to know that fight,

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Speaker 4: No, I fancy doing it all my time.

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Speaker 2: It's like, why would you want to do that?

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Speaker 3: Just a way?

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Speaker 2: You're dangerous, brother?

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Speaker 4: Let you give me an arranging danger.

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Speaker 2: The tactics from you, bro. You're dainty, dangerous, danger fray bro.

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Speaker 2: I respect you. Welcome back to another episode of the

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Speaker 2: Art Award. Today, my guest is a man that I

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Speaker 2: know very very well. He's a twenty twenty three Hall

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Speaker 2: He's a man that has no problem speaking his mind.

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Speaker 2: It's someone that not a lot of people thought that

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Speaker 2: I want to welcome to the show, Carl the Cobra

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Speaker 2: frag Man. I want to I want to before we

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Speaker 2: On your podcast, Frog on Fighting in Miami a couple

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Speaker 2: of months ago.

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Speaker 4: I got to give credit to David hay.

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Speaker 2: So we had a dinner for Netflix, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I asked him about you. Said, man, where's fro Chat.

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Speaker 2: He said, Man, he's here. Let me let me let

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Speaker 2: I appreciate our rivalry, man, but I'm at a place

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Speaker 3: No, it's good. I got the message off. David Haho

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Speaker 3: So when he messaged me, so I'm with Andrew, what

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Speaker 2: But it's the good thing. It is a blessing though,

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Speaker 3: just because he was so so entertaining and nonchalant with

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Speaker 3: I adapted that style a little bit as an amateur.

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Speaker 3: It's all conscious, like you throwing punches from orchid angles

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Speaker 3: So everyone thought I won the fight, but I didn't

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Speaker 3: No, he wasn't training and my coach Dale McPhilbin from

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Speaker 5: Robert Crackan did. Robert he's an amateur Coasto. It wasn't then,

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Speaker 5: It just it not long retired. He just put a

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Speaker 3: Really got the opportunity to fight cows Agui or anybody.

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Speaker 3: two Rob McCracken used to he used to wat rand

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Speaker 4: Man, So you turned pro in two thousand.

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Speaker 3: So he convinced me to turn pro and I turned

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Speaker 3: didn't really want to turn pro. Really won two national

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Speaker 3: and enjoying it. And I'm thinking, why am I going

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Speaker 3: punched him. These guys punch hard, so I mean Christian

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Speaker 3: I'll stay out with you. Get my thousand Panama ABA

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Speaker 3: like six months of going to meet Robin Birmingham, driving

435
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,719
Speaker 3: down to London training a gym in London and it's

436
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 3: Lewis College. It's like the Goolag, which is like a

437
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,399
Speaker 3: Russian prison camp. This place we used to train that

438
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,359
Speaker 3: used to sleep above the We used to stay in

439
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 3: rooms above the gym. In London and there's like nothing.

440
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,879
Speaker 3: He used to think it was a TV in the corner,

441
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 3: freezing cold. Paused to enjoy it. So used to get

442
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,159
Speaker 3: up every morning and go running with Rob and a

443
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 3: few of the lads in the gym. He'd come and

444
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 3: run with him there because he was only thirty three

445
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 3: thirty four, so he was still training, still still enjoying it.

446
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 3: I think Rob lived his career that he never had

447
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 3: as a because he never became world champion. I think

448
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,679
Speaker 3: you very much lived the life of a world champion

449
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 3: professional through my career. So me and Rob were like

450
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 3: I think he was vibing off what I was doing,

451
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 3: and I was just trusting him and respecting everything he

452
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 3: said and listening to him meticulously. So once I decided

453
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 3: I'm turning professional with Rob, that was there. All my

454
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 3: vices and anything that I did that I was involved

455
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 3: in with my older brother and a few mates on

456
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 3: the street. I was like Dan London turned my back

457
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,439
Speaker 3: on all my friends. My ex girlfriend she was she

458
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,360
Speaker 3: was gone to I was with a girl for six

459
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 3: or seven years and we ended up splitting up. So

460
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm taking boxing. I'm going to take

461
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 3: it here. So I'm going to have a go, and

462
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 3: he has changed my life.

463
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,479
Speaker 2: That's one thing when I you know, when I started

464
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 2: watching you, when I knew the Super six was being foreigned,

465
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 2: and I knew, man, I may have to fight this guy.

466
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 2: That's one thing that I knew I would have to

467
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,479
Speaker 2: deal with was your discipline. You know. I was listening

468
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,199
Speaker 2: and studying you, and I'm like, man, this dude is

469
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 2: very meticulous about his workouts, you know. And I heard

470
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 2: that you write every workout down, every run, every every every.

471
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,479
Speaker 4: Workout, and uh, and I'm very much like that.

472
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't write my workouts down in a

473
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 2: very detailed I don't like to miss anything.

474
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 4: I give maximum effort.

475
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 2: So I knew. I was like, it takes one to

476
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 2: know one. So you're disciplined, and knowing that you didn't

477
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 2: have it, you know, you weren't involved in the night life,

478
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,199
Speaker 2: you didn't drink that kind of stuff, that was it.

479
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: That was a concern for me because I knew, like,

480
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 2: this fight is tough, he's.

481
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 4: Gonna have something in the tank.

482
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 2: So that's something I had to I had to because

483
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 2: when I study a fighter, I'm not just looking at

484
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: the puncher storm. I want to understand who you are.

485
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: I want to get as much information about you.

486
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 4: What do you like, what don't you like?

487
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 2: You know what? All that stuff matters and you bring

488
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 2: all of that into the ring when you fight. So

489
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 2: that discipline and the way you prepare was something I

490
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 2: had to I had to I had to contend with.

491
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I wasn't the most confident fighter, so

492
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 3: it was a bit nervous. I think most people get

493
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 3: nervous in the ring, author in the change before. I

494
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 3: was always how can anyone not be nervous? But it's

495
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 3: just how you cope with the nerves. And like sometimes

496
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 3: I'll be sitting in the changer and thinking why are

497
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 3: my boxing? Like why do I fight? Why do I

498
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 3: do this? I get through to the semifinals of the

499
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 3: abas and things for when this I'm learning the final

500
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: I've got to fight this guy, and this guy's got

501
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 3: a COmON Wolf Games gold medal, and I'm probably gonna

502
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: get beat. And then I beat the guy and I think, oh,

503
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 3: now I've got him, you know. I Mean, it's like

504
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 3: always there's a monster waiting in the closet ready to

505
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: come out and get you. So even when I was

506
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 3: professional I'm gonna fight for the British title, and now

507
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 3: I've had ten fights and fight for the British title.

508
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 3: When I get the British title, win the British title. Yeah,

509
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 3: but I probably won't get the European or the Common World.

510
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 3: Probably not good enough. And I'm fighting for a world tit.

511
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: I've got Jean Pascal. I'm like, this guy's unbeat and

512
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 3: common WORF gold medal, tough fighter.

513
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: This is me.

514
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 3: Now I'm done. Like in my head, I'm like, now

515
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: what about you doing? Why why should he win and

516
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 3: not me? I'm having to tell myself the waring to sleep, Yeah,

517
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: the war in the head, and it can work for

518
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 3: you too.

519
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: You know. Some people say you're not supposed to have

520
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 2: a fear of losing, and for me, like I had

521
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: a I don't know what was stronger for me, the

522
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: love of winning or the fear of losing, but they

523
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: both drove me. They kept me up early and kept

524
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: me late and just I just you know, vergess to say, man,

525
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 2: you a head case because I just obsessed over every detail,

526
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 2: you know, and that's just how it was wired. Man.

527
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: But it's like, but I think I think there was

528
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 2: a couple of times when we did our promo tour,

529
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: there was a couple of times when, like when we

530
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 2: did our sit down with Jim Gray, it's a couple

531
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 2: of times I thought I saw some nervousness about you,

532
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: but I couldn't really tell you know what I'm saying.

533
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 4: Like I just had a moment where I'm like.

534
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: Does he really believe what he's saying to me? But

535
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 2: I always give Like when I'm dealing with an opponent,

536
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 2: I always give them more credit than I deserve.

537
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 4: So I'm always gonna just.

538
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: Say, yeah, he believes it, he believes it. Maybe I

539
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: didn't see what I what I saw the right way,

540
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: and that just keeps me sober in my mind where

541
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't, I don't start believing the wrong

542
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: stuff and then underestimating an opponent.

543
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 3: I never wanted to question my fitness, whether or not

544
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: I could do the twelve rounds. And that's why I

545
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 3: started writing my diary down what I'm doing, because I

546
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 3: never knew. Rob told me do this run, do that run.

547
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: But I'm like, but I've had done as much as

548
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 3: I should be doing, Like.

549
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 4: Why iver push it past what he say?

550
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 3: All I do is just keep the times. So when

551
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 3: he said doing the run, I'd be like, well, how

552
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 3: far we're running. We're doing ten k, like six miles.

553
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: How long is that going to take? So I'll do

554
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: my six mile run, write it down. That's took me

555
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: forty two minutes. I got the six mile run down

556
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 3: to about thirty six and a half minutes, so almost

557
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: six minute miles for six for six miles, which is

558
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 3: quite some pace for boxers because like the marathon runners

559
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: run it in like four minutes forty five or four

560
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 3: minutes fifty for twenty six miles is unbelievable. But if

561
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 3: you look at Mo Farah, it's like this big is

562
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 3: skinny and he's just fled. He's got big lungs and

563
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: he just floats through the air. Where boxers are like triathletes,

564
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: So we have to have sprint power, we have to

565
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: be able to spread, and we have to have the distance. Yeah,

566
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 3: so we're like short, explosive and long distance, especially when

567
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 3: you're preferred when you're approp this tour for a minute

568
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: and thirty six minutes, yeah both. So I'm writing down

569
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: the times to start with, and what I've done that

570
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: running there, I've run the certain runs. I've got different

571
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: names to the aud call it parties to run around

572
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 3: the Hackney Marshes and there's all. Every run's got a

573
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 3: different name. But if I can relate back to that run.

574
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 3: So when I won my world title against Jean Pascal,

575
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: I knew that I'd done four runs a week, four

576
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: or five runs a week, and I've done this run

577
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 3: to ten k and I've done the sprint session. I've

578
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: done the three mile run and it took me this long.

579
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 3: So then when I'm fighting in my next title fight

580
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: against Jermaine Taylor, my first defense, I'm like, I've got

581
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 3: to do the six mile in thirty seven minutes and

582
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 3: twenty four seconds. But then it's like, what's the weather like,

583
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 3: what's the wind like? So I'm taking all these factors out.

584
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 3: I've not actually beat that time on this camp, but

585
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: there's a lot of headwind or the weather a different

586
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: time of the year, you know, if it's cold or

587
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 3: if it's the summer of it's a winter, depending on

588
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 3: that's how tuned. And I was to it, like, yeah,

589
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 3: that's faster. But in the summer, I'm wearing a vest

590
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 3: or in no top, got my trainers on the airs,

591
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: like because this summer, like if you hit golf ball

592
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: in the summer, it goes further than in the winter

593
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 3: because of Ye. So I'm running thinking like just about

594
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 3: getting the time down and the watch got to get

595
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: down to six minute miles and that's what drove me.

596
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 3: And I know two three days before the fight, I

597
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 3: could through my diary twelve weeks, press up, spallups, twelve rounds, sparring,

598
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 3: or I did that six mile running thirty seven Yeah,

599
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: done that and that, and I'm matching, if not beating

600
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 3: the times. I thought, well, I've done twelve rounds with

601
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 3: Jean Pascal and I hit these times and I did

602
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: this many rounds as far so I know, I know

603
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,239
Speaker 3: I'm fit for the game. So that ticks off one

604
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: out nervous, you know what I'm saying. I'm a fit enough,

605
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: I'm a strong enough. Well I know I am, so

606
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: I don't to worry about that. Man. Now it's I'm

607
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: a good enough. Well you'll find out and fight night.

608
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 3: Because it's nervous as I was. And as much as

609
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 3: the element of doubt that was in the head, maybe

610
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 3: right up until the fight, they say, come off the hour,

611
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 3: come off the man, and then that last hour when

612
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: you're sitting in the changing rooms thinking I've got undre

613
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: reward next, and I've got virgin in the changing room

614
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 3: watching my hands get wrapped in the same little things

615
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: to me, like you're looking nervous, boy, and I'm like,

616
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: don't white milk, and my brother's having to go. I've

617
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: got a job to do. But I Lee because Lee

618
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: was being like disrespectful. I didn't like it. I was like,

619
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 3: just keep him mouf shortly, just ignore him, like, don't

620
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: start getting and that will sell me. So we did

621
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: a good job version something that I've gone to the

622
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: ring a little bit angry, but in my head, I'm

623
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: just like, all I've got to worry about on fight

624
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 3: night is am I good enough? And anything can happen

625
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: in a fight. As soon as that bell goes the

626
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: first round on ding ding, let's go. The nerves are

627
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 3: gone anyway, Like it's just gone. I don't I'm not

628
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 3: in the ring thinking I'm nervous. What do I do.

629
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: I'm in the ring thinking, right, I've got I've got

630
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 3: someone to hit here, and I've got to not get

631
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 3: hit and I've got to move and I've got to

632
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: do what I do, and it's sort of it takes

633
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: over done it the automatic sort of it's just.

634
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: Subconscious on who you are is gonna come out and

635
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: all that. It's the truth because you know, boxing can

636
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 2: tell on you in front of the whole world. It'll

637
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: expose you, you know, but it can also reward you

638
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: in front of the whole world, depending on who you

639
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: are and how you prepared. You know, verse, man, he's

640
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: a he's a he's a master with my games.

641
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 4: He's a master.

642
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 2: The only problem with that is is I need you

643
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: back in the locker room to warm me up, and

644
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: you over here messing with my opponent. And he was like,

645
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: if he saw that they wrapped their hands wrong, he'd

646
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: let him finish the rap.

647
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then he tell the commission Hey, yeah he

648
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 4: double stacked.

649
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: He stacked it. He's stacked right there. Oh really a

650
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: lot of times the commissioners, man, they don't they're not

651
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: paying attention. So I needed him in there because I

652
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: knew he was going to make sure everything was good.

653
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: But I'm like, bro, we walk in fifteen minutes, like

654
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: I need you back here to hit the Yeah. But

655
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: he would always like being there messing with the opponent.

656
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: The home longer than he should have and I'm over

657
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: here trying to warm myself up.

658
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 4: So it was like, you know, it was.

659
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: A catch twenty two Joshua watsee. You know he trains

660
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: with us in the States. What is it about the

661
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: UK fighters? And he said, you guys don't hit the

662
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: speed bag very often. You don't shadow box that much.

663
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: The double end bad. This that one shadow boxing a lie.

664
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: He's like, Oh, we just shaddle box to warm up.

665
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: Why nice to a lot of shadow boxes. Rob McCracken was.

666
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: Like, so, and that's one thing I like about boxing

667
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: to that he seemed different than some of the others

668
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: in America.

669
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: Is in Vegas for a few years, Okay, he knows

670
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: like it was No, you've got shadow by shadow boxes boring,

671
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: No one likes it's a name. Shadow Box is important.

672
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: Because I noticed that saying rap seems different than some

673
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: of the other UK coaches as I studied him.

674
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 4: Why don't they do that?

675
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: I know, I'm not sure. I'm not sure because I

676
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 3: only learned about boxing correctly really from Robson and he

677
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: was very much americanized if you.

678
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

679
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 3: So I just took took his lead and we I

680
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: always shut a box. Sometimes I just do thirty five

681
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: forty minutes of shadow boxing straight through.

682
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 4: That's man, and you got to do it.

683
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it'd be a bit boring. Sometimes you think

684
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 3: what I'm doing, But you're just moving your feet, slipping

685
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 3: and sliding, getting off the center, getting behind your job,

686
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: just letting your shots go, having the thing look, slipping

687
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: behind your shoulder, and you just you're just working on

688
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: your your craft and your balance and your tech leiaque.

689
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: And it's so beneficial you have to do it.

690
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: I know you Hennessy right, promoters, when did you make

691
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: the ship from Henessy to Eddie Hurrin joined the Super

692
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 2: six like right before?

693
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: No, No, it was during. It was after the Kesler.

694
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: You were with him for the for your first fight

695
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 4: with Drill.

696
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: Yes, and and Michael Kessler. Then Kessler and I said

697
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: something wasn't right. And that's why I had the contracts

698
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: for the contract for the Super six. That sign was showtime, showtime,

699
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: that showed it. I actually had the license agreement put

700
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: into my company name so the promoter didn't have to

701
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: charge of the license fee. I did so I took

702
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 3: every time, every time showed Time paid the promoter or

703
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: supposed to promote. They paid me directly, so I was

704
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: kind of the promoter for the show and Mick was

705
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: kind of working for me. That's how I structured it.

706
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: So I thought, if I'll be careful what I say

707
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: it because obviously went through a sort of litigation, but

708
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: there was a disclosure and then d and all that

709
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: bullshit you have to sign. But it's a long time ago.

710
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: But instead of the money going to the promoter, then

711
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 3: me having to wait for my money and then I

712
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 3: may or may not get it, the money came to

713
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: me and that was it. Then I've got it. And

714
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: then he's like, well I need my bit now, and

715
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, we've got an agreement that you get

716
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 3: British TV because that was all American TV, and then

717
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: it was my promoter in Britain to get me some

718
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: British television, whether it's ITV and BBC, Sky Sports, ideally

719
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: Sky Sports pay per view. We got this different TV

720
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: network which was rubbish, didn't do anything prime time on

721
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: pay per view, didn't didn't make any money off British

722
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: TV for that tournament. But it was two thousand and

723
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: eight when I won the title, and then when the

724
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: big financial market the big crash in two thousand and eight,

725
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: which affected the world, the whole of the Western world anyway,

726
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: So there was no television really, and I wasn't on

727
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: Sky Sports. They've got NAS and they've got Joe Kawzagi

728
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: was doing bits, but I wasn't on Sky. For whatever reason,

729
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: I got back on Sky or I was on Sky

730
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 3: early on, but then never followed me through the world title,

731
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: so my career slipped under the raid. So I was

732
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: very grateful to sign a contract with Showtime after I

733
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: became world champion. And I think the reason I got

734
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: the Showtime deal is because of my performance against Jermaine Taylor.

735
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: So I beat Pascal on ITV, which is our national televior.

736
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah two thousand and eight. Yeah, so that was a

737
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: national broadcaster, so that was watched by millions. So I'm

738
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: thinking I'm on ITV, a normal lineal terrestrial television we

739
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: call it. So everybody is sat to owned on the

740
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: sofa can turn on ITV and watch me fight Pascal

741
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: in the twelve round war entertaining war. I became a

742
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: WBC World champion. I should be a household name, but

743
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: ITV pulled out of boxing after that because of the

744
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: financial craft, nobody was getting work. The TV was no boxing.

745
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 3: They pulled out. They drop all the sports and all

746
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 3: the trying to save money, aren't they. So I've got

747
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: the green and gold belt, sat to home and I'm like,

748
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: what am I doing? And then I didn't box? When

749
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: was it? I mean that was when was that? That fight?

750
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: Was that December? My mind? Blank box girl? Yeah, Pascal,

751
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 3: it was December and I boxed Jermaine Taylor in April before.

752
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: Before real quick, I want to get to that. But

753
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: but tell me, tell me, like, so Kazaki is still active.

754
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 4: And you're you're you're right there.

755
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 3: He was nearing the end of his career exactly.

756
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: So it was almost like it was almost like Jerman

757
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: Boots in his and Terrence Crawford, where Crawford is like

758
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: looking for the big moment so I can go and

759
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: you got the young guy you know, coming behind him

760
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: saying give me the shot. That's what it felt like

761
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 2: with you on Kazaki. Was that even ever a discussion

762
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: or is it just a fight that you wanted?

763
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: It was a discussion, yeah, Because I had a meeting

764
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 3: with his promoter Frank Warren, and said, I want to

765
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: fight Joe. He's WBC champion, I'm w BC number one,

766
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 3: I'm mandatory when we're getting a shot. And he waited

767
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 3: till the final It was like he kept under the

768
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: belt for over a year and then when it was

769
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: like you've got to fight Froust, now is your mandatory.

770
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: You have to fight, and he waited till the final

771
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 3: day and vacated, vacated the belt. But then he went,

772
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 3: to be fair to him, he went and boxed Roy

773
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 3: Jones Junior and Bernard Hopkins. I think in that order.

774
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 3: I was it the other way around. I can't remember

775
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: who box first, but he boxed them too in America.

776
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: And then that was the end of his career. So

777
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 3: he was like established, looking for a big payday, looking

778
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 3: to finish his career on a high, and he's got

779
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 3: this young kid from not no one really, no one's

780
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 3: really heard of. But I've just speak Jermaine.

781
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: No.

782
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: I didn't. I was I was not a champ. I'd

783
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: just be a British champion. I was just established, and

784
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: I'm like coming up. I've been to the WBC convention

785
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: and a few people knew me in the scene.

786
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 2: Joe knew who I was you never had an interactions.

787
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: No, not really. I've seen him a couple of times

788
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: at a couple of events. I don't think he likes me.

789
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 3: Now it's weird, yeah, because you know Darren Barker, so

790
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: he's friends with Joke. They played golf and I said

791
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: to Darren, I went gets a game of golf and

792
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 3: Darren says, I know if Joe he met you and

793
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: spoke to you, he'd he says, I know you'd like

794
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 3: him as well. He says his sound is called he's

795
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 3: a good guy. I mean when he is a great fighter,

796
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 3: I give him credit. If you say he was the

797
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 3: top three fighters in Britain to come from Britain, I'll

798
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: say Leonards Lewis and Joe cows Ga and you could

799
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: you could say Cowzaggy text the first place, but you

800
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 3: could say Leonards Lewis text the number one spot. But

801
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 3: Lewis got done by has him Roman and Oliver McCall

802
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 3: and Cawzagin never got beat although it was in a

803
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 3: close fight against Robin Reid. So I'm like constructive criticism,

804
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: but I always give him his flowers. Cows I always

805
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 3: say top fighter unbeating in forty six fights if I

806
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: had a boxed him, he'd probably beat me on points.

807
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: But unless I knocked him out, I'd have had to

808
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 3: knock him out to win because he's got high work right,

809
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: and he's talk and he's super fit because he's from

810
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: the Welsh Hills, I mean, so he's always up and down.

811
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 3: So I give him his credit. But at the time

812
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 3: when I was trying to get the fight with Joe Cowzaga,

813
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 3: I was giving him but that was my promoter's fault.

814
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 3: Give him those of sticks say this, say that, and

815
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: then I think that went against me. But I was

816
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 3: due to do an event. I did the event actually

817
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: about two months ago in London, so I jump on

818
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: a try good to London, have a meet and greet

819
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: Tony Belly took his spot, but was supposed to be

820
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 3: Joe calzag was supposed to be there, like all these

821
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: years later, even though I've give him credit, even though

822
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: I've said to Darren Barker, get on to Joe, said

823
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 3: we can have an exhibition or something. Turkey l Shay

824
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: offered him a lot of money to fight me at

825
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: an exhibition and it never happened. I was like, whatever,

826
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 3: I don't want to fight Anyway, I'm retired. I retired

827
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: twelve years ago for a reason. I couldn't do it anymore.

828
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: So I'm not going to come back to twlve years.

829
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: Learn think I can do it, especially at at any

830
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 3: sort of level. But i'd fight at Jake Paul or

831
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: I'd fight a cow Zaggie because he's like fifty even

832
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: even playing field, not not Jake Paul's not. That's a mismatch.

833
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: But I'd fight Kowzaggi in an exhibition because I think

834
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: it'd be big money. I think the fans would love it.

835
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: They'd love the way in and the press conference more.

836
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: But anyway, we have this event lined on and I

837
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: was thinking, I'm going to get to meet Joe. I'm

838
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: going to get to like stare him in the eyes

839
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 3: and shake his hand and say, listen, I've got no beef.

840
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: I was just trust talking just to get the fight.

841
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: But there's nothing personal. You're a great fight I've got

842
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: respect for here play. I thought Robin Reid done you

843
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: in a close fight. I thought like Roy Jones was

844
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 3: past his best, and Hopkins really he could. He can

845
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: make a case he lost that. But you wont you.

846
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: Retired to see it's that stuff right there. That's but

847
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: it's stuff right there, that's what makes the man right there,

848
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 2: that part.

849
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: But that's me, I got you.

850
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying that's probably what makes him feel

851
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: a way.

852
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you're right. That is I can't help

853
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: myself though. That's just me saying I can't myself. But

854
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: we're supposed to be meeting in London, not me, not

855
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 3: me and him personally meeting. Was supposed to be doing

856
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 3: this same event, and he's pulled out. I got a

857
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 3: phone call saying, if you've got a problem with I'm

858
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 3: not nos always he's doing this event. And I said, yes, sn,

859
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to meeting him, because no, he just

860
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 3: pulled out. Like we paid him his deposit and he

861
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: sent a deposit back. Really, yeah, he's like not doing it.

862
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 4: Come on, man, look, we gotta we gotta, we gotta.

863
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 4: We got to bear the hatchet.

864
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: Man.

865
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 4: This is what we're are right now. We're pushing peace, man.

866
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: We were creating great content, and we got to get

867
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: the fans that they want to see man. So I, hey,

868
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: we got to bring it together. I went out to

869
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: his home and talked to him, of course, yeah, and

870
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: it was great.

871
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 3: He was chill.

872
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 4: You know, I think that's gonna happen. I don't care,

873
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 4: you don't think, so come on, Joe, we gotta figure

874
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 4: this out.

875
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 3: I'm not really off.

876
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 4: I think it'd be good.

877
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: Man. So, you know, you had your first world title

878
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, and then the fight that got

879
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: my attention on was it Jermaine Taylor fight. You know,

880
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: I knew Jermaine Taylor was still very very dangerous and

881
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: he was trying to you know, he's trying to find himself,

882
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: and he fought good.

883
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 4: I think he was up on the cards when you

884
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 4: stopped him.

885
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: And when I'm watching that fight again, I'm looking at

886
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: it and I'm like, okay, you know Rogers, you know,

887
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: seems very sturdy. He doesn't seem to get tired, and

888
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 2: he's awkward, but the dude just won't quit. Like I'm

889
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: very very very competitive and I know a very very

890
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: very competitive person.

891
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 4: You can't measure that.

892
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: You just have to know. If you see it and

893
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: you know it and understand it, you just understand it.

894
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 4: So it was like it was moments like.

895
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: That while I was like, man, you got to deal

896
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: with him because and it's not going to be easy.

897
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: Tell me about that fight with Jermaine and why he

898
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 2: got up so far on the cars and like what

899
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: were you thinking as you're trying to stop him.

900
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 4: Basically, well, that.

901
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: Was the first defense. So I won the world title,

902
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 3: and it was December two thousand and December sixth it's

903
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 3: come back to me now. But do that now again

904
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: as fight as we have mind blanks, and it comes

905
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 3: back to April two thousand and nine, Connecticut, Foxwoods Resort,

906
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: cause he now fighting Jermaine Taylor. I went to watch

907
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 3: Prince Na see Mammond against Marco Antonio Barrera in Vegas.

908
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: Spent my last one hundred dollars on some Mexican next

909
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 3: to me saying that my man's going to beat your gun.

910
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, no chance, like one hundred dollars. I'm like,

911
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 3: I got no money. But my brother went to the

912
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: cash machine on his credit card, so took money out

913
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 3: even got and yeah, the guy took three hundred dollars

914
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 3: off me and my good friend and my brother and

915
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 3: on that. On that on that fight card, Jamaine Taylor

916
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 3: was on the undercard. I can just remember seeing Jermaine

917
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 3: Taylor and he's lightning fast hands, and I remember saying

918
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: he won a bronze medal in the Sydney Olympics. I

919
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: should have gone to the Sydney Olympics. So in my

920
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 3: head it was like that's the guy that I see him.

921
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: Look how faster cow good is? He then beat Hopkins twice,

922
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 3: isn't it? But then he lost to Kelly Pavlick, and

923
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: I thought he's on the slide now. Jermaine Taylor is

924
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 3: still a good fighter, still the top big name. But

925
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 3: he lost to Kelly Pavlick. Then he had he lose

926
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: twice to pavlic had I think he just once? We

927
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: haven't really After that, he stepped up to super mid

928
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 3: aweight and he beat a guy called Jeff Laser, who

929
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: was one of Joezaggi's big wins that made Joe Cowzaggi

930
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: look like Sugar Ray Leonard because Joe Calzagi was fighting

931
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 3: Jeff Lacy was like the super midiweight version of Mike

932
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 3: Tyson as far as everyone in England was concerned. And

933
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: Kazagi goes in there and absolutely just pummeled him for

934
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: twelve and outworks and batters him. So Jermaine Taylor fought

935
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: Jeff Lacer before he fought me. That was his first

936
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 3: fight at Super mid Away and it's a good win

937
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: for him at Super Midiway that is. And then obviously

938
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: his next fight's me, so he's stepped up. Thought Lacy

939
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 3: beats him. Now he's got a WBC Ward title shot

940
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 3: against me, and he's like, ohs Carl Frutch. He was

941
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: his kid from the UK. I don't even know him,

942
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: some skinny white kid from the UK, I think he said.

943
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, I know you are, and I

944
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 3: know how good you are, but I'm not going to

945
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 3: give you any trash talk because IVE got respect for him,

946
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: and I just I couldn't really pick any oles in

947
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: him because I thought it's fast, it's goored, Olympian whatever.

948
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: But and I was nervous and I was thinking, okay now,

949
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: but nothing I could do, Like I'm WBC, he's mandatory

950
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 3: and there's no TV in the UK. So we came

951
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 3: over to America and boxed him in the States. And

952
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 3: I remember on fight night it was like I'm in

953
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 3: a small changing room, done the same thing. Put me

954
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 3: in a small room with a sofa, so romocrack Can

955
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 3: comes in and gets the sofa throws it out of

956
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: the changing rooms, makes some room, gets me on the pads,

957
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 3: and it's like one minute you've got half an hour,

958
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: and next minute you've got two minutes. It's like, oh,

959
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 3: I've got my gloves on and we've got to put

960
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 3: my gloves on, and one look, you need some pads,

961
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: So with do some pads. He said, don't worry, calm down,

962
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 3: It's all good, no problem. But I was thinking, I'm

963
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: not warmed up like I've not read. I'm nervous. I

964
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 3: had a bad camp as well, because towards the end

965
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: of the camp I rolled my ankle really bad. I

966
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: was running. I was I do a lot of night

967
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: running as well, so if I can't be bothered, I

968
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: think I'm going to get up in the morning and run.

969
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 3: The weather's going to be terrible, and I to look

970
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: at the weather. I'll run tonight and I'll rest them

971
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 3: all and get more sleep. Depends on how I feel,

972
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: so I'd mix my training up, and I think I'm

973
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: fighting at ten off ten eleven o'clock. I'm going to

974
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: go on and run at eleven o'clock, especially close to

975
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 3: the fight, to get my body ready to wake up

976
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 3: at eleven at night. Sometimes you get to a fight

977
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: at eight o'click to sleep. It's in the changing room.

978
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 3: Tired now. So I used to run close to the fight.

979
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: The last two weeks. I used to do my rooms

980
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: at the same time when I'd be fighting. My body

981
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: clock right. So I've gone out running it off past

982
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: nine because he's dark and you're not quite looking at

983
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: the road properly. And I've gone from the road to

984
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 3: the pavement and stepped on the curb and my ankles flipped.

985
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,479
Speaker 3: Rolled my ankle on a couple of four roll commander rolls,

986
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: like save myself. See if I'd just gone flat down

987
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: and scraped I. I've had all abrasions on me. But

988
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 3: I sort of did dive like a commando roll on

989
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 3: to my feet, and then I walked it off. I

990
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: thought I walked it off, but my ankle was like

991
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: all the ligaments and my ankle swelled up and my

992
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 3: leg bruised all up to my knee. I went black

993
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: and blue, bruising so tall on my ligaments and that

994
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: and that was three weeks before the fight. And then sparring,

995
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 3: I got a thumb in my eye and I got

996
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 3: a scratch on the corner like a corner on the scratch.

997
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 3: So I'd have a little gauze put on my eyes,

998
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: like a protective gouze, like a patch. So I remember

999
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: the week before the fight with my ankle brace on

1000
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: and my eye patch on, and I'm just thinking, I've

1001
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: got a fighting. It's got a fighter. I can't pull out.

1002
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: I'm WBC CHAM. I'm getting paid, like what for me

1003
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: was great money then it was like six or seven

1004
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars and I didn't earn much money fighting

1005
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 3: fighting John Pascal. So it's like I got to take

1006
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 3: the fight and yeah, So got in there with Jermaine Taylor.

1007
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: After about five minutes warm up, got in the ring.

1008
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 3: It wasn't a massive venue either, the Foxwoods Resorts. You know,

1009
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: it's like a it's like an amphitheater. The stays at

1010
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: the bottom. I remember getting the ring in a bit

1011
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: of a daze, like I just walked to the ring.

1012
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 3: Some Americans got beer on is it English mean, and

1013
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,479
Speaker 3: like shouting abuse something because he went down his lift,

1014
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: come out the chamber is into a lift, went down

1015
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 3: the lift. The lift opened in the I'm in the crowd.

1016
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, this is on top It wasn't until

1017
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: I was in the ring looking at the big screen

1018
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 3: and watching Jermaine Taylor do his little ball room with

1019
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 3: his foot. He's got his horns up and he's dragging

1020
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: his foot on the floor like he's warming up to

1021
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 3: as they're announcing him. I was thinking, damn and fighting.

1022
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: I remember watching him as a kid.

1023
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

1024
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 3: And it switched on.

1025
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 6: Those moments like that. It's almost like ada Baddy experience.

1026
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 6: You got to snap back, that's me on the screen.

1027
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 6: It was showing it, and then it showed me, and

1028
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 6: I was like, that's me. It's like weird because my

1029
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 6: mind's trying to forget.

1030
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 3: That's me up there. And then I switched on. But

1031
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: I wasn't switched on because I come out around one

1032
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: behind my job on the back foor like waiting to

1033
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 3: get hit. I was just thinking, it's really because every

1034
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: time I put a jab out, it'd slipped on right,

1035
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: and every time he jabbed, I was trying to block

1036
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 3: it and it'd faint and to the body, and I'm thinking,

1037
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: it's catching me here. It's too quick. It was too fast.

1038
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 3: Couldn't catch him. Like if someone is faster than you,

1039
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: it's a massive advantage in box and if you look

1040
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: at all the top top fighters, they've got speed. Roy

1041
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 3: Jones was one of the best ever and he had

1042
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 3: lightning fast hands and reflexes. It's such a big advantage.

1043
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 3: So for for two or three rounds, I was following

1044
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 3: them around, trying to nail them with a shot that

1045
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: was never going to land. And he cannot punch me

1046
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: with a right hand and drop me. So I'm on

1047
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 3: the seat of my pants in round three thinking wow,

1048
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 3: what I didn't even see the punch coming. I listally

1049
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: didn't see the punch coming. I tried one these stupid

1050
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 3: upper cuts and out range one of the Prince nassihammered Ones.

1051
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 3: I was like, there it comes. Warm threw a big

1052
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: upper court missed by a country mile. He just slipped

1053
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: right and I sort of turned around on my feet

1054
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: and then I'm backing up to the ropes and he

1055
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 3: just threw a little fake boom over the top right

1056
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: hand straight on the side of my head and dropped me.

1057
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: My legs, my left leg went. I'm sat on the pants.

1058
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 3: I'm thinking now. Round three first World title defense fighting

1059
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: Jermaine Taylor, Bad Intentions. Taylor in the States and I

1060
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: just thought, all right, okay, that's worked me up. That

1061
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 3: that literally won me up. I went back to my corner.

1062
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 3: The bell went at the right time, went back to

1063
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: my corner. Was crazy. It ever got crazy. It's too funny.

1064
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: He gets on you something if he knows you're not

1065
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: fighting where you need to fight. I've seen him, man,

1066
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: what are you doing? Mate?

1067
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 3: You gotta yeah, he'll say the right thing he say.

1068
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 3: He'll say stuff like if you had a round off there,

1069
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 3: like you feel all right now you've had a round off.

1070
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 3: It's all right. You've got to get on him now.

1071
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 3: Now you've got to push it forward. I mean, counter

1072
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 3: punch him, put it on him. If he says to me,

1073
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: put it on him, go for him. Now, I know.

1074
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 3: That's like I need to do something like pretty heavy

1075
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 3: and I need to get to And after round three

1076
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 3: it was like you're leaning in. Your defense is all

1077
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 3: over the place. Just get behind your jab every time

1078
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: he comes to you, jabbing and just get off the center,

1079
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 3: just jabbing center, and then it will come together. And

1080
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 3: that's what I did for six seven rounds against Jermain Taylor,

1081
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: and by around ten I started to catch him around

1082
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 3: the body. He started breathing, Heather, He's trying to hold

1083
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 3: on and I caught him with the right hand and

1084
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: stumbled back in round ten, and I thought I've got

1085
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 3: him round eleven. I'm thinking i can get him finished

1086
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 3: in round eleven and I'm backing him wile hitting him,

1087
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 3: and Jermaine Taylor's tough. He's like a tough strong man,

1088
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: and I'm meeting him in his life. I could feel

1089
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 3: his bones on his face and I'm meeting him around

1090
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 3: the body and he's just solid, like just tucking up

1091
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 3: taking the shots. And I'm bashing him around the side

1092
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 3: of the head and I thinking I'm hitting him with

1093
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 3: full body shots here and he's just taking the shots,

1094
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 3: still stood up. I dropped him around twelve and we

1095
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,720
Speaker 3: went out for a round twelve, knowing I needed to stoppage.

1096
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 3: I know I was beyond on all the scorecards with

1097
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: about ten eight round in round three and we've been

1098
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: out boxed for many of the rounds. I know I

1099
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 3: needed the stoppage, so I just thought, just applied pressure

1100
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 3: on him, just keep the pressure going, and I dropped

1101
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 3: him in around twelve. The referee counted to ten in

1102
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 3: about fourteen seconds, so he was like one, two, three.

1103
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: What was he doing?

1104
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 3: Man? And he's just giveing him a chance and then

1105
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 3: he's stood a one ten and he wiped his gloves

1106
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 3: and the rest are like right go and I just

1107
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: eighteen nance and punches. The ref had no choice but

1108
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: to stop it. Jermaine Telor could have just grabbed old

1109
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: of me, held on and then one points. And I

1110
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 3: saw him at the Super six promos for the photos

1111
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 3: of the shoots, saw Jermaine ask to meet really good

1112
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 3: to meet, a big respect, great fight. Not spoke to

1113
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: you for like since that probably six months ago. I said,

1114
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: why don't you, why don't you grow old of me?

1115
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 3: Why don't you just get old of me? And just

1116
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 3: like get me in a headlock, only had fourteen seconds

1117
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 3: to go. You won the farting points and he said, no, man,

1118
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: I can't win like that. And I thought, what a guy.

1119
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 3: I can't win like that. He's got to go out

1120
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: on his shield respect. I got the job done. I

1121
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 3: stuck it on him. Then what I had to do

1122
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: defending my title, and that was I started to get

1123
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 3: the recognition and started to get the respect that I'm

1124
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 3: a world champion.

1125
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: So I started I started hearing about Super six tournament,

1126
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 2: six man tournament, double elimination, and I didn't believe it

1127
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 2: was gonna happen. You know, my manager, James Prince, he's

1128
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: telling me. He was like, he said, I'm talking to

1129
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: the promoter. I'm talking to your promoter, and I'm seeing

1130
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 2: what they're saying. I don't think it's gonna happen.

1131
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: Salon Callaslan and the team Salent.

1132
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sourland, Dan Goosen.

1133
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 3: And I think the concept in the idea was the

1134
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 3: silence their idea.

1135
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. So I was in Mexico

1136
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 2: on vacation and I'm like, I'm like, it's not gonna

1137
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: hate say man, enjoy your vacation. And then it came

1138
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 2: together and you guys went to the first kickoff press conference.

1139
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 4: In New York. I wasn't there.

1140
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 3: I was waiting for you to turn up ward guy. Yeah,

1141
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 3: gold medal, Olympic gold medal, he's the gold the boy

1142
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 3: for that. He's the guy that the Americans probably want

1143
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 3: to win. Right there were teaching someone up. Yeah, for sure,

1144
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: sway havever lest the states one get to that.

1145
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: That we get to that. I want to talk about

1146
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 2: that too. I want to talk about that. So look,

1147
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: so I missed. I missed the first one, and then

1148
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 2: so Verde called me. He was like, you need to

1149
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: get on the plane now. I'm like, well, James, he's

1150
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 2: had get on the plane now. He said, you're gonna

1151
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: miss this opportunity.

1152
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 4: So he got he was mad.

1153
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: So boom, I leave Mexico, go to San Diego Airport,

1154
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: fly my family back home to the West coast. Well,

1155
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 2: I was already on the West coat. I went back home,

1156
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: had to get pack a bag. I had like a

1157
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 2: double ear infection, packed a bag and got to flew

1158
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: overnight to Germany.

1159
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 3: Germany.

1160
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: So the second one, second, the second leg, So you

1161
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: missed all the first just the first one.

1162
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 3: I remember in New York.

1163
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 2: I remember getting there, like you know, I didn't sleep there,

1164
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: get on the plane. I got an ear infection. I

1165
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: remember seeing you walk around the lobby. You the only

1166
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: one I saw that morning before the press conference, and

1167
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: I was just kind of watching you. I think we

1168
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: spoke briefly or no, I think we just kind of

1169
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: looked at each other and kind of nodded. So when

1170
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 2: I went to the press conference, man to me, my

1171
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: takeaway was that they thought Kessler was gonna.

1172
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 4: Win This is the feel that I got from the media.

1173
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: Abraham was sort of proven, and you were like the

1174
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 2: wild card, like man Frochers, you know, tough, but these

1175
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: are wildcar so we'll see. I felt like the Americans

1176
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 2: were getting disrespected because Jermaine was you know, he was

1177
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: he was sliding. Darrell was young, and I was young.

1178
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: So I called Verge. I said, man, they're not respecting us.

1179
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: He said, what you mean. I said, I don't think

1180
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: they respect us man, And I gave him.

1181
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 4: I gave him the list of who.

1182
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: I thought they thought was gonna win, and just everything

1183
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: that happened in the press conference. But when you when

1184
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: you saw when you when it came together and you

1185
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: knew the other five names that was a part of it.

1186
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 4: Who were you concerned about? What was your sort of

1187
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 4: internal list?

1188
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, because obviously when you're a professional and you're unbeaten

1189
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 3: and you're still developing. Even though I was welch, I'm

1190
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 3: was your world champion, he was No.

1191
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: No, I got my first word title from Kesler in

1192
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: the first fight.

1193
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course you did. But when you when you're

1194
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 3: when you're on that level, I mean, you tell me

1195
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 3: if I'm correct me, if I'm wrong. But when you're

1196
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 3: serious about professional boxing and you want to become a

1197
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: world champion and you're sort of you're in, aren't it's

1198
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 3: everything to you. You've got your family, You've got your

1199
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 3: wife and kids. I mean my first give twenty and ten,

1200
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 3: so I didn't have any children, and they're like your priority,

1201
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. But boxing your life, if

1202
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: you take it seriously, box into everything, every training, you diet,

1203
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 3: you coach, gym, nothing else matters. So you're looking at

1204
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 3: this tournament. So I'm looking at this tournament because he's

1205
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,479
Speaker 3: in it. Andre the rows that andre Ward Olympic gold.

1206
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 3: So differs a big difference between the bronze and the

1207
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 3: gold because I want a bronze in the World Championships.

1208
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: I don't even know where it is. I've got this

1209
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 3: bronze medal somewhere. The Englishman to win the not interested,

1210
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 3: I mean I got being I said, so trophy. To

1211
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 3: say you lost, that's all that is. I mean my

1212
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 3: people might say, well, that's stupid because you did really

1213
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 3: well and you came third or whatever. I'm like, yeah,

1214
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 3: I'm here to win, and you got the gold. So

1215
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 3: Durrell was a bit like even though it's a good fighter,

1216
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 3: fast and skillful, but I'm not worried about him. And

1217
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 3: I'm looking at Kesler thinking tough fight. I mean kl

1218
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 3: Zaggie beating but in a close fight and the hand injury.

1219
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 3: Kl Zaggi is a top fighter, high work.

1220
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: Rate, fit.

1221
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 3: We talked about him earlier, give him his props, but

1222
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 3: Kesler wasn't right in that fight, and he still could

1223
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 3: have got the decision. So he's like proper world level fighter.

1224
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 3: Who don't know about you, but I know you're an

1225
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 3: Olympic gold medalist, for you don't win an Olympic gold

1226
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 3: medal unless you can fight, unless you're good. But because

1227
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 3: your Olympic gold medal, the golden boy you're going to

1228
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: get because of an American tournament. You're getting groomed here

1229
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 3: now for the gold medal, the champ. He's going to

1230
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: win this tournament. Then he can go on and become

1231
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 3: this big star. So I thought he's the guy to beat.

1232
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 3: But how good are you? And I didn't see much

1233
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 3: of it, didn't know, so when I'm turned up to this,

1234
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 3: I'm thinking Kessler, tough fight, not really too worried about

1235
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: it was our favor. I'm in that first he was

1236
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 3: straight away because Alan Green came in when Durell dropped out,

1237
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 3: I was.

1238
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 4: I think he had just moved up from six.

1239
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 3: But the main guy that was in my head thinking

1240
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 3: the only guy. I'm worried about it because I think

1241
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 3: I can beat Kesler. In my head, I can out

1242
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 3: tough him, I can't outwork him, and I can get

1243
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 3: to him, and he's lost to He's lost to joe Za,

1244
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 3: and I think it was still lost. I mean his

1245
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 3: head has been beat where you're beaten as I was.

1246
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: But you was my number one and that's probably why

1247
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: I do as the number one in my head from

1248
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 3: the start that when I actually finally came around to fight,

1249
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 3: he was still the number one and I was still

1250
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 3: on shore. I got into the ring fighting. We'll probably

1251
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 3: probably get into that a bit, but yeah, it was

1252
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 3: like You're on the pedestal and I'm like, can I

1253
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 3: beat this guy? And then the demons are insaying you

1254
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 3: can't beat this guy. I remember it was my brother's

1255
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 3: wedding in Cuba and I was there and you fought Kessler.

1256
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 3: So we got on the big screen. So I'm watching

1257
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: you just take care of Kessler, and I'm thinking, this

1258
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 3: guy awkward. Man, he's dropping in the head, but he's

1259
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 3: ducking loud, skirting around the rules the UK.

1260
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 4: There see a physical, tough fight. Why are getting nervous

1261
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 4: about that? I want it clean, man.

1262
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: Listen, listen, It's a fight, whatever it takes.

1263
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: Robert Crack has said to me, when you turn professional,

1264
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 3: it's no longer a sport. It's not boxing. It's not

1265
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 3: like it's point scoring, like landing shots in the target area,

1266
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 3: landing scoring point. He says, it's a physical fight. Goes

1267
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 3: in theyes in the referee lets you get on with it.

1268
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 3: He says, you're ready to get ready for war, get

1269
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: ready for a battle. And thought, this is going to

1270
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 3: suit me better than the amateurs. I lost in the

1271
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 3: World Championship semifinal to a Russian who was but it's

1272
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 3: called four arms one one two left cross from the

1273
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 3: south past dance and I was finding awkward to getting

1274
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 3: near him. And then by round three or four hours

1275
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 3: landing big upcurse and catching him and I had him wobbled.

1276
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 3: But the bell went four two minute rounds. Man, you

1277
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 3: can't get can't get anything done in four two minute rounds.

1278
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 3: You've got to get to him. So when I turned pro,

1279
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 3: I was suited to the pros better than yeah, I'm

1280
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 3: looking at I'm looking at you and got you as

1281
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 3: the as the chief guy there and the main guy

1282
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 3: to be. And when I watched you beat Kessler and

1283
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 3: that fight you had with Kesler, even though you did

1284
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 3: drop the nating, it was out boxing in with fast hands.

1285
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 3: You're running the job. Do you think that you was

1286
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 3: out working?

1287
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: Do you think that like there could be a here

1288
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: but that's accidental.

1289
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: Listen that they didn't look intentional, And I don't know.

1290
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 3: I've told you they didn't look intentional. I thought he

1291
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 3: knows what he's doing.

1292
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 2: It's very good, but I don't though you're giving.

1293
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 3: You throw a shot and then you'd sort of follow

1294
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 3: him with that, because it's safer to do that with

1295
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 3: your head and roll under and go forward to the

1296
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 3: head than it is to throw a shot and sort

1297
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,439
Speaker 3: of pull back out and have a look and see

1298
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: what's coming back to counter it. You throw the shot

1299
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 3: and get inside, but your your your stage from here

1300
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: to here, from there to there. The safest way is

1301
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: to leave with your head. But I didn't the holly

1302
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 3: Field just to do it is to get in.

1303
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 2: But That's what I'm saying.

1304
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 4: So I think Holy Like.

1305
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it's intentional, but holy Like.

1306
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: He had a lot of moments and even even be

1307
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: Hop like be Hop is a guy but now at Hopkins,

1308
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: he's a guy that's skillful enough to know how to

1309
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: do that and not cut himself.

1310
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 4: I don't know how to do that right.

1311
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 3: Like you sure positive everybody else spoke to about you

1312
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: from the UK anyway, because the key, right they all

1313
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 3: say it is a dirty fighter. He fights dirty skirts

1314
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 3: around the rules, and he gets away with it because

1315
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 3: he's a Golden Boys America. That's what he said. That's

1316
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 3: what they say, so to let him get away with

1317
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 3: and for me when we fought, it's get dangerous talking

1318
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 3: about when we fought Steve Smojer, the referee was the

1319
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 3: worst possible referee I could have had. Like I forget

1320
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 3: Joe Cortel, I love Steve Versus Victories. Is it Victor

1321
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 3: Tis what's his name? There's or tease. I forgot his

1322
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 3: first name, but he is that one that ref would

1323
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 3: make you break up. So when when Ricky Hatton fought

1324
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 3: Floyd Mayweather, a referee that will break the fight and

1325
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 3: say right, break, stop holding, stop thinking that will change

1326
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 3: the fire. Like Ricky Hatton likes to get close, get

1327
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 3: on your chest, throw loads of body shots, grab the

1328
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 3: back of your head, rough you up, and if you

1329
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 3: stop that, if you negate that straight away from the

1330
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 3: like he did against Ricky Canton and Mayweather. I don't

1331
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: think Ricky Canton could have beat me Weather and I

1332
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 3: don't want to talk the late great Ricky Hannen. But

1333
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 3: the referee changes the fight. And the worst possible referee

1334
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 3: I could have had for you would have been Smoja

1335
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 3: because smoder lets your fight. He lets your fight. Wait wait,

1336
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 3: wait wait, you're a better inside fighter. But yeah, I'm

1337
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: a cobra, and I do want to say, listen, I

1338
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 3: can take anyone on.

1339
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 2: I can.

1340
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 3: Just you're right.

1341
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 4: You said hold on. You said you the cobra.

1342
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: I'll fight anybody.

1343
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 4: I don't.

1344
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 2: You said all the stuff, So on my mind, I'm like, oh,

1345
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: Steve Smoker, that's the that's the rift that that he'll

1346
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 2: like Smoker because Smoker's gonna let you fight.

1347
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, sort of a range. I like to be in

1348
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 3: the range where we can stand and have a fight.

1349
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 3: You see, my fots.

1350
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 2: See that's the thing the UK man. Y'all wanted, y'all want,

1351
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 2: y'all want to be able to like have a silent

1352
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 2: negotiation on how to fight.

1353
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 4: Look, man, you're gonna you come to America. You're gonna

1354
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 4: get taken in the trenches.

1355
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. I didn't think too much about smogling until after,

1356
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 3: and I thought when I watched it back, I thought,

1357
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 3: I could have you.

1358
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 4: Gotta be able to do that trench fighting.

1359
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 3: Man, You're right.

1360
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna finesse you on the outside long range, then

1361
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be mire range, and then I'm gonna be inside.

1362
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: What's up?

1363
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 3: And that's why listen, I'm gonna get your credit. He

1364
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 3: beat me friends square, and I'm not making excuses, no, no, no.

1365
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 4: We gotta talk about it though.

1366
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: But you they're gonna talk about what you did too,

1367
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 2: because you can do.

1368
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 3: You could do all them things very well, and that's

1369
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 3: what made you a great fighter.

1370
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 4: You got to be able to stablished.

1371
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 3: I can't do them things very well. I can in close,

1372
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 3: I can get a bit rough, and I'm quite strong

1373
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 3: physically and close, but in terms of getting on the chest,

1374
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 3: getting a bit of distance, looking for the openings and

1375
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 3: landing the shots and not getting hit. That's a skill,

1376
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 3: that's an art. Floyd member could do it all close,

1377
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 3: nice and relaxed.

1378
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: And it's the thing too. Like you said, you know

1379
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 2: it's a warning fighter, warning fighter, But man, I was

1380
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 2: right there in your wheelhouse though we is total toe

1381
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: like you had every opportunity to crank up the fight

1382
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 2: and make it as exciting as you.

1383
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 3: I was right there right The only thing I could

1384
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 3: have done differently if I'd have fought you again when

1385
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 3: you was up close on my chest. Because you're saying

1386
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,919
Speaker 3: that you was right there, that's an illusion. That's because

1387
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 3: you're not right there. You're right on my chest, but

1388
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 3: you can't hit that when you're heads there. I don't

1389
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 3: have an argument.

1390
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 4: I want to know what it feels like to fight me.

1391
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 3: Talk to me when your head's on my chest and

1392
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 3: some you're hitting me with shots, I'm like, is he

1393
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 3: got four arms? Like? What's hitting me here? I could

1394
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 3: see his head here? And then I'm getting hit with

1395
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 3: shots and I'm like, right, okay, I've got a little

1396
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 3: bit of room, so get back, give myself some room.

1397
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 3: And then I'm head on. I'm loading up miss miss

1398
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 3: or maybe I'm maybe I'm seeing the target and then

1399
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 3: the target moves. Because you do that to get.

1400
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:20,919
Speaker 2: Credit for taking a good shot.

1401
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 7: Thought much to round and I don't get See I

1402
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 7: don't want to be known for this, but I never

1403
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 7: get credit for taking a good shot.

1404
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 3: You've only ever been dropped once.

1405
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 4: For cover twenty rounds he had one month.

1406
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. See, if you want to talk about thirty five,

1407
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 3: it's the cover left fight. That was it? The second

1408
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 3: one or the first one? You like, you hit him

1409
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 3: with like two or three low blows, you think so,

1410
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 3: and the ref stop the fight and the guy was like,

1411
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 3: well he's older than his crush.

1412
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 2: Of course he holding because he beat up.

1413
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 3: He almost quit as well. But you're with some blows.

1414
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about it.

1415
01:02:58,640 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 4: We'll talk about that.

1416
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 3: But my thought give you credit on my chest. You're

1417
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 3: you're making it awkward. You're in a position where I

1418
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 3: think I can hit you, and then I call it

1419
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 3: you because you're slipping the side and the rolling.

1420
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 4: We gotta we got.

1421
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 2: But look, but here go the thing though, bro, And

1422
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: that's a scale. If we if we if we, if

1423
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 2: we got to talk about the fight, we'll put our

1424
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 2: fight on hold for a second, just talk about covid

1425
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 2: lit right, like covid leb. You gotta realize this is

1426
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 2: a dude similar to what you're saying, right. He wants

1427
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 2: to fight a certain type of way. He likes to

1428
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 2: be at range. He wants to fight his type of way.

1429
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be like that tonight.

1430
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 3: Right.

1431
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 4: Most guys when you fight a covid lib, they they're scared,

1432
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 4: so they stay away.

1433
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 2: So they litt him rest when he wants to rest,

1434
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 2: and then he's catching guys on the end of the punches.

1435
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take you into the trenches and you're gonna

1436
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 2: have to really prove to me that you are who

1437
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 2: you say you are, period. Right, So the first fight,

1438
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: I want a second fight with covid lib. In the

1439
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 2: first fight, feeling them break down, just getting weak, I'm like, man,

1440
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 2: this dude like he never recovery, never had a second win.

1441
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 2: So I never forgot that going to the second fight.

1442
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 2: Washed the watch the beginning of the fight and Tony

1443
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: Weeks tells him what he did was he came in

1444
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 2: and he put his cup way higher than he should add.

1445
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 2: Tony Weeks looks at the belt line. He says this, right,

1446
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 2: here go look at it. This right here is.

1447
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 3: Good right, and he's the belt line because he is hard.

1448
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 4: The body shots from the first fight.

1449
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna apologize for that, so we get through

1450
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: the whole fight. It's funny people talk about the one

1451
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 2: moment at the end where maybe one straight, maybe one straight,

1452
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 2: maybe one straight, But they don't talk about him getting

1453
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 2: beat up the whole fight, the right hand that wabbled him,

1454
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 2: that had him going, why don't talk about that the finish,

1455
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 2: I forget about that. They like bury the headline because.

1456
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 3: They're looking for so much to give you a stick.

1457
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 2: Is that what you're doing?

1458
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 3: No, not really that, if I'm honest, because I have

1459
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 3: acknowledged that you're a great fight and you do distance

1460
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 3: up close and the rest of the dirty stuff.

1461
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 4: So let's get back.

1462
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: No, no, no, just say just say I really don't

1463
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 2: know how to deal with that. That's probably a better

1464
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 2: way than man like that fit. Am I physically strong?

1465
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:08,959
Speaker 3: Yes? You're physically strong?

1466
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, And be honest with me, bro, Did I hurt you?

1467
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1468
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 3: Ever?

1469
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 4: Did I ever hurt you?

1470
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 2: When I fight?

1471
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 3: Come on, I can't think of a time, mom, man,

1472
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 3: it's years later, given to me. Come on.

1473
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 4: You never got buzzed one time.

1474
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 3: I never got that. Now do you think it was? Man,

1475
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 3: I'm not forgetting. You got here with some shots, Broe,

1476
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 3: some shots, But I can't remember getting bored. I can

1477
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 3: remember all the shots that hurt me in my career,

1478
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 3: Robin reading whenever I'm writing, and I thought it was

1479
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 3: that range.

1480
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 2: I lean back.

1481
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 3: He caught me in the chin. I was like dango

1482
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 3: Michael casim of the right hand in round eleven and

1483
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 3: my legs dipped. I got dropped twice, got dropped by Groves.

1484
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 3: I got dropped by Jermaine Taylor, when I got what

1485
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 3: by a Russian geeze who was a back cruise away

1486
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 3: when I was coming through and I got with a

1487
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 3: stupid shot. But I can't honestly, you heard with no

1488
01:05:54,680 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 3: body shots you sort of you frustrated men straightened me bad.

1489
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 3: I couldn't hit you with shots. When I got out

1490
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 3: of there, I feel like I felt like I'm not

1491
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 3: really My hands weren't hurting. I wasn't really in a

1492
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 3: place where I thought I've been beat like some of

1493
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 3: fat Groves in that first fight, I was all over

1494
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 3: the place, why trying to chin him, loading up, giving

1495
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 3: him I was so bad. I got beat up for

1496
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 3: six rounds.

1497
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 2: I beat you in a different way like when I

1498
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 2: when I when I beat fighters, you get back on

1499
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 2: the plane and go home and you're like, what just happened?

1500
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 3: You hustled me, didn't you?

1501
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 4: You like, you're like, what just happened?

1502
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 2: Man?

1503
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 4: I thought it was gonna be easier than that.

1504
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was going to be easy.

1505
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 2: You didn't think. No, I know I was in, But

1506
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it since we're talking about it, right,

1507
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 2: Steve Smogris being a red work for you.

1508
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 3: Too, potentially, but I think I would have preferred him

1509
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 3: to break us up more. I'm gonna tell you, because

1510
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 3: up close, you was better than milk close. He was close,

1511
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 3: landing shots, almost just tying me out, wearing me.

1512
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 4: At leading, I was dominating. I think ranger.

1513
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 3: He was leaning. He was leaning on there. No, you

1514
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 3: was out of range. You was too quick with a jab.

1515
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 3: If I when I explained how you beat me, I'll say, well,

1516
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 3: out of range, it's too quick with the jab. That's

1517
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 3: the Olympic gold medal. That's the boxing skill set. Quick jab,

1518
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 3: bang bang, slip right and quality stuff on the outside.

1519
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 3: Then when You're right. I can't cope with this on

1520
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 3: the outside. So I'm gonna get close. I'm gonna get

1521
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 3: on his chest. I'm going to rough him up. I

1522
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 3: did that to andread the rail. I roughed him up.

1523
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 3: I got his arm bent it back through him on

1524
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 3: the floor.

1525
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 4: Hold on you being dirty?

1526
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 2: Now?

1527
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, dirt is you like? Listen, There's nothing wrong with

1528
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 3: being there. You're just I wish I was more there.

1529
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 2: Really, that's crazy.

1530
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 3: Well, I'm pointing it out. It's not a criticism. I'm

1531
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 3: just trying to I'm not going to say that.

1532
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:39,439
Speaker 2: Listen.

1533
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 3: If I can't get away anything wint by any means necessary,

1534
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 3: you one square and.

1535
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 2: You did you did you beat me in our fight?

1536
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 2: I did you been my.

1537
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 3: Should your shoulder?

1538
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, you beat my left shoulder in a fight. Listen.

1539
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 4: And Steve Smagan did not help me.

1540
01:07:59,040 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 3: He was on the side there.

1541
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 2: He didn't see it.

1542
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 3: But look, you know what, I've never been anyone in

1543
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 3: my adult life. I never would. I feel a little

1544
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 3: bit embarrassed that you've mentioned it because I mentioned it

1545
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 3: to you in the press conference and I kept you

1546
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 3: know what you did.

1547
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 2: I came quiet until you started you started talking.

1548
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 3: I talked about that, but yeah, when I last talked

1549
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 3: about that, but I last talked about that by this morning.

1550
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 4: Really on your show.

1551
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 3: No to my producer and I said, you know what,

1552
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 3: I bit him? You know, yeah, I said, I'm.

1553
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 4: Sort of I'm glad you remember that though now.

1554
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 3: You know you know what it was on your head

1555
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 3: was here, the riff was there. I'm like, this guy

1556
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 3: went let off. He's like, oh, man, I call you.

1557
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 3: I felt like I was being suffocated, which is probably

1558
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 3: game side. Just bat you shoulder, man. I was like,

1559
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 3: get off me like a child that's angry.

1560
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: Bit my left shoulder and look I look at Steve

1561
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 2: Smolger and I'm like, first I was shocked, right, I

1562
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 2: look and Steve, I'm like, he bit me.

1563
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 4: Steve's like, fight on. I'm like what he showed me.

1564
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 3: He didn't care. That's true. That's true.

1565
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 2: Steve didn't care.

1566
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 3: It wasn't a hard bite though it was like.

1567
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 2: A media bro I had to go to the emergency room.

1568
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 3: I didn't draw blow.

1569
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 2: There was a little emergency room. Man.

1570
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 3: It cuts clear. It wasn't a bite. It was a nibble.

1571
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 3: It was but no, you're right, I did. And listen,

1572
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 3: I've already. I've already apologized for it. But that just

1573
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 3: shows you how frustrated I was. Yeah. No, so look

1574
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 3: I was frustrated, and I was thinking in my head

1575
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 3: just to stop you. But I was thinking if a buyer,

1576
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 3: maybe it will say he just bit me what she

1577
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 3: did and then try to judis year, I just hit

1578
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 3: you with a big thing. But too clever for that.

1579
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 2: I just like when I when I realized that when

1580
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff happens, though, like like I feel it,

1581
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 2: I feel the emotion, but I go internal, like I

1582
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 2: lock in even more, like nah, I'm really about to

1583
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 2: do this, so it doesn't get like, doesn't come outward

1584
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,560
Speaker 2: while I start making mistakes. But so after, man, you know,

1585
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 2: like we we jumped all these fights to get to

1586
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 2: our fight. That's how you know the fire is still burning.

1587
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 2: But in the press conference after, you know, like I understand,

1588
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 2: like it's combat sports. I know, stuff happened. So I

1589
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: didn't want to say anything to the media, you know,

1590
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 2: so me and you talk. We had a conversation on

1591
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 2: the podium and you know, I was like, man, don't

1592
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 2: you don't worry about it? And then something happened and

1593
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: he was.

1594
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 3: Before the press come, I think you apologize that. Sorry

1595
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 3: about that. I think I was so like so I

1596
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 3: was like trying to do a little move when I

1597
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 3: mentioned Victor Orts earlier. Was it him that for Mayweather?

1598
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 3: May Weather go headboarded and they went to the clubs

1599
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 3: and got him.

1600
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 4: You don't want to.

1601
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 3: I was in my head thinking if I distract him,

1602
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 3: I might go to hit.

1603
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 2: Him with the show, trying to figure out anything you

1604
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 2: could what my name is.

1605
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 3: That, sir? And when you say I'm calling you, you

1606
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 3: know how to fight? So that's not it's not criticism.

1607
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 2: Different word they get skillful. That's just me.

1608
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 3: That's me is it's a skill set, a skill set,

1609
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 3: and it can be taken wrong.

1610
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 2: But you gotta have that, man, and you're gonna get

1611
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 2: you gonna get pushed around in a boxing ring.

1612
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 3: It's a professional boxing thought. Like Rob said, listen, it's

1613
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 3: a fun but.

1614
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 4: It's I just want to say, man.

1615
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 2: So after like you apologize, you came up like a man,

1616
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 2: shook my hand. We talked, we kind of you know,

1617
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 2: whispering to each other. I said, man, never mentioned that.

1618
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 4: I never talked about it. You know, we're talking about

1619
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 4: it now. It's it's funny.

1620
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 2: Man, you know, we have our This is this is

1621
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 2: what getting this content and stuff is all about. But

1622
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 2: we started, something happened and you started chirping and I'm like, oh,

1623
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 2: you're talking again. So I'm like, man, forget it. I'm

1624
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 2: talking about it. And then I think I mentioned it.

1625
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 2: But it comes with it, man, it comes with the territory.

1626
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 3: We ever get close to off in the rematch and

1627
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 3: not was he talking?

1628
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 2: So when you when you fought when you fought Kessler

1629
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 2: the second time, I came out to the Old two

1630
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 2: Arena and I was there, and that's probably the closest

1631
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 2: it came.

1632
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 3: Did I see it all? No?

1633
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 2: I didn't see each other.

1634
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 3: No, because I was fun.

1635
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 2: I was at that fight, and I remember tweeting us.

1636
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 2: I think I twet. I was like Eddie picked up

1637
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 2: the phone like like yeah, yeah, I was trying to

1638
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 2: trying to get it going because man, the the arena.

1639
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 4: Was rocking that night.

1640
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 3: Yeah Basic twenty five as well.

1641
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 2: It was rocking that night. So but we skid past

1642
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 2: a lot of fights. Bro, I was gonna get to,

1643
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 2: you know, the fight with the real in Nottingham. Just

1644
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 2: talk to talk talk me through that real quick. Just

1645
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 2: that you that was your first fight.

1646
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 3: First fight in the Super six. It was in my hometown.

1647
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 3: Andre Durrell was where's he from? Is he from? Uh?

1648
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 3: It's quite gobby, But I think, yeah, he's got a

1649
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 3: lot of mouth on him. But when I when I

1650
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 3: speak to him, look in his eyes when he's talking,

1651
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 3: his trash talk. He doesn't believe it.

1652
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 4: You don't think so?

1653
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 2: No?

1654
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, I think that he's talking, but he doesn't

1655
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 3: believe it. He quit against Abraham.

1656
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 2: You think so?

1657
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1658
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 2: Were you there? No? I was there.

1659
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he quit.

1660
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 2: You think he quit?

1661
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that he took a shot and he's

1662
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 3: looking for a way out and it's getting hard for him.

1663
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,600
Speaker 3: That shot never hit him that much. Really, yeah, he

1664
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 3: did get hit.

1665
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 4: You just don't know how hard it were.

1666
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 2: You just can't really tell because.

1667
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 3: He was on his knees and Abraham was here, and

1668
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 3: Abraham just threw a shot. You don't get any power

1669
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 3: doing that with your arm. You have to get power

1670
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 3: from your legs. When you're still right and you twist

1671
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 3: your body into it and you generate power from your legs.

1672
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 3: Abraham just went to have one of them while you're

1673
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 3: down there, because I'm frustrated and he hit him and

1674
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 3: he's like, oh, I'll make a big deal of this.

1675
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's any genuine injury, and if

1676
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 3: there was, then I'll stand corrected. But I don't think

1677
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 3: there's any real injury. But mentally broke down after that fight.

1678
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 3: It was never the same. But when I fought him,

1679
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 3: I was able to get close to him, like I

1680
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 3: wanted to do with you if you was going to

1681
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 3: back box and move and run, But you didn't. You

1682
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 3: come and start on my chest from around on the

1683
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 3: art of war, the art of war, But smile a lot.

1684
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,560
Speaker 3: I said that I'd like to just strangle you just

1685
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 3: a little bit because I like you. I've got so

1686
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 3: much respect for you. You're a cool guy and top fire.

1687
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 3: You deserve all the propers you get respect. But but Darrell,

1688
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 3: when I got close to him, I was able to

1689
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 3: grab old of him, I said, and talk to him

1690
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 3: and for him on the floor.

1691
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 2: Was he physically strong?

1692
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 3: No, no, it was not at all, not really, no,

1693
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 3: no way as strong as me. What is it?

1694
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 2: Because you feel like you've always kind of like disliked him,

1695
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 2: even in the build.

1696
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 3: Up and on the build up, just one in his

1697
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 3: mouth and I thought you were in your mouth for like,

1698
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,759
Speaker 3: just just be happy in the tournament. Come come to Nottingham.

1699
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,759
Speaker 3: Chose some respects. I'm world champ. You've got an opportunity

1700
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 3: to become a world champion. I mean that was a

1701
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 3: split decision. Close fight people.

1702
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 2: Some people thought he want yeah they did, Yeah.

1703
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 3: I mean I mean I fight was one fifteen, one thirteen.

1704
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 3: Some people fought our one.

1705
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, not really. No, no, no one for.

1706
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 3: No one for one.

1707
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 4: In the real theyll fight.

1708
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 3: No. Your fight with me, oh yeah, jumped around. The

1709
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 3: fight was close. My brother often wise milk when I

1710
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 3: beat him at Paul or darts, like at the other day,

1711
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 3: Darrell beat him. You've got the decision. This is my brother.

1712
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, if he's beat me, they got his hand

1713
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 3: raised like it was a decision. It was close. But

1714
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 3: you can't turn up to a boxing match and run

1715
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 3: and hold and try and survive and get on your

1716
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,719
Speaker 3: back foot. I mean, he's got fast hands, he's skillful.

1717
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 3: If he had used his fast hands and skill and

1718
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 3: speed with confidence, he could have probably beat me. I'm

1719
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 3: man enough to admit, of course I can be beat

1720
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, But you're gonna have to

1721
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 3: beat me, You're gonna have to hit me with shots

1722
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 3: and convince the judges that you've won the fight. By

1723
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 3: running and holding and turning your back and falling on

1724
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,560
Speaker 3: the floor, you're not convincing the judges. You want to

1725
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 3: won the world title. I'm WBC World champl I'm in

1726
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 3: my hometown. All the crowds beyond me on mass That

1727
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 3: was four in the morning. That fight, it's ridiculous to

1728
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 3: a combat American TV. So I bullied him a little bit.

1729
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 3: I got on his chair, I bullied, I got close

1730
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 3: to him, I got inside of my glove, pushed on

1731
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 3: his face. I tried to him with the elbow, pushed

1732
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 3: him on the floor. I was saying, come and fight me,

1733
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 3: and he was running and he didn't really do much,

1734
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 3: didn't land much. So I want a close, messy, horrible fight,

1735
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 3: but the right man one I won the fight. So

1736
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 3: that happens Darrell. I don't know what I'm saying about

1737
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 3: about that anyway, But the Durrell fight that you asked about,

1738
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 3: the Darrell fight at the press conference on the way

1739
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 3: and he was giving it the talk and I was like,

1740
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 3: I was like that, it's not that I didn't like it.

1741
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 3: I knew what he was doing, so I thought, I'm

1742
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 3: just gonna just give him some back, telling him and say, listen,

1743
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 3: stand in the middle ring and have a fight with me.

1744
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 3: So know what you're gonna do. Said, You're gonna run

1745
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 3: like a little You're gonna just run around, Just stand

1746
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 3: and fight. I said, but run as much as you want,

1747
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 3: because when I get on his face and get old here,

1748
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 3: I'm going to smash your face and I want to

1749
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,640
Speaker 3: put this right down your back of your throat. And

1750
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 3: he's looking at me and he's swallowed and he's listening

1751
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 3: to me, but he's believing Me's like young and naive.

1752
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 3: If I had said that to you, you're just gone whatever.

1753
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 3: Like I tried to get you on the face off

1754
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 3: for showtime, and I thought, this ain't working.

1755
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,919
Speaker 2: Man, Remember that that's one of my favorite promos.

1756
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 3: And I was chatting to you, like thinking, Jim Gray

1757
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 3: face and I'm trying to get to get I'm going

1758
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 3: to get in his idea a little bit.

1759
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 2: And I thought, nah, it didn't work.

1760
01:16:59,400 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 3: Didn't work.

1761
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 2: He said that anyway, didn't work. That No, those are

1762
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 2: those are the those are the little battles before the war. Yeah,

1763
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 2: they are and they don't mean everything. They mean something.

1764
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do because of the good for your head.

1765
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 3: And I won all of them before the real fight,

1766
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 3: and then I beat him in the ring. It was close.

1767
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 3: Whatever people say, you could have one could have lost,

1768
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 3: but I won't the.

1769
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 2: End of the day before we get to Keshla real

1770
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 2: quick man. So what like, what did you what did

1771
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 2: you when you negotiate your deal with show Time to

1772
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 2: getting Super six? What were you told about the fighters

1773
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 2: having to travel at least one time?

1774
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 4: What were you told about that?

1775
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 3: Not much at all. I didn't really get represented, in

1776
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 3: my opinion, very well as far as I was concerned,

1777
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 3: I didn't get represented well. I won the world title

1778
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 3: against Pascal, I defend against Jermaine Taylor in that amazing fight.

1779
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 3: I mean that that fight gets shown now on or

1780
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 3: the on TikTok and Instagram, and people put Rocky music

1781
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 3: over it, and that fight is still paying dividends and

1782
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 3: giving me an ego stroke even all these years later.

1783
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 3: But that was never really part of the problem or

1784
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 3: part of the negotiation for me. It was all about

1785
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 3: what I'm getting paid, what TV networks are, and who's

1786
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,720
Speaker 3: in the tournament wherever it is it is? I'm not

1787
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:24,560
Speaker 3: really asked. I should have been bothered, but I was.

1788
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 3: I was new to the game. I didn't want to turn.

1789
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:29,879
Speaker 3: I want a world title. And then I'm being promoted

1790
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 3: by by Hennessy and Robert Crackan's my coach, and we're

1791
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 3: just looking at what we're getting paid here, Okay, is

1792
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 3: this right?

1793
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 2: Is this?

1794
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 3: And when you look at what I got paid to

1795
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 3: the fights I had, really it wasn't very good, but

1796
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 3: it made me who I was. It's all part of

1797
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 3: the journey. And I never boxed from one. I never

1798
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 3: really I never really got in the ring thinking, oh

1799
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 3: how much money am I going to make? And this

1800
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 3: is the problem now with sort a lot of the fighters.

1801
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 3: I think, with the inclusion of the Saudi Arabian to Shakes,

1802
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 3: we're getting overpaid and then they'll learn all this money

1803
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,839
Speaker 3: and it's like, what am I fighting there? Marvin Hagless,

1804
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 3: the late great Marvinole, it's hard to get out of

1805
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 3: sheet you wearing silk pajamas, and it's like you understand

1806
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 3: that when you're only fifty million quired sight fee and

1807
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 3: you fight and you lose or win, or even when

1808
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 3: you're in there like what's motivating? You remember Floyd Mayov

1809
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 3: being a big fan of Mayweather coming through and when

1810
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 3: he broke three of his promoter. His first big fight

1811
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 3: and his crossover fight was Oscar the Lawyer, Oscar the

1812
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 3: Lawyer because he was on his own then I was

1813
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 3: with Al Haim and he was like, I'll beat Oscar

1814
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 3: the Lawyer. Now I'm in control, I'm the boss. And

1815
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 3: that's that's how good Maywe was business wise. But in

1816
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 3: terms of the Super six, no whereas how how did

1817
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 3: you feel the fight?

1818
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 2: How did you feel when you found out that I

1819
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 2: wasn't traveler? I didn't really know about when did you

1820
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 2: find oh? Really?

1821
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 3: Yeah? Just till the end. I was like, what's andre

1822
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 3: Ward doing? Because you fought Kesler and where was that?

1823
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 2: Was that?

1824
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 3: New York's your back garden on it?

1825
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you thought home. But it's his fault though,

1826
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 2: you know why he had a Kesler had a lot

1827
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 2: of Kesler was the tap dog.

1828
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had a lot of leverage.

1829
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 2: I never to my team one time. I don't want

1830
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 2: to travel.

1831
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 3: It's quite easy go in Kessler.

1832
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 2: He was arrogant. I remember him in negotiations. He was like,

1833
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 2: I was a young put he was like, I'll fight

1834
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 2: him in Oakland.

1835
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 3: I'd say it's more ignorant than arrogant.

1836
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:15,879
Speaker 2: That's possible because he's not really.

1837
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 3: Asked, because he came to the two for the rematch

1838
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 3: with me.

1839
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:18,759
Speaker 4: That's possible.

1840
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:19,839
Speaker 2: That's possible.

1841
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 3: And the negotiations, like Eddie Hearan was like, listen, we'll

1842
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 3: get six. They ain't got big TV. We've got Sky.

1843
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 4: He had more money to travel too.

1844
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he would have done, yeah, we've got me and

1845
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 3: I'm sure really yeah, we've got Sky Sports pay per view.

1846
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,640
Speaker 3: He's got RTL in Germany or Denmark. It's not going

1847
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 3: to bring big money. So all the money on the

1848
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 3: revenues generated in England on Sky pay per view. So

1849
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 3: we're going to negotiation, We'll do sixty forty. I was like, oh,

1850
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 3: just let's get the fight fifty to fifty. Just spl

1851
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 3: split the money with them, like we'll go fifty. Stupid

1852
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 3: on my part from business, I would.

1853
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 4: Say, you're a good man.

1854
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying that's sixty forty on the table.

1855
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 4: I'm taking it every day.

1856
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I was just like I said to Eddie,

1857
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 3: I said, I want to get this fight. It's pay

1858
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 3: per viewer we're getting back on Sky Sports, so pay

1859
01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 3: per view fight. I didn't get paid up money for

1860
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 3: five and Lucian Bute. I could have gone to Canada

1861
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 3: and got paid quadruple. Like quadruple. I got him to

1862
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 3: Nightingale speculate to accumulate. I got the win and then

1863
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 3: I got my You know, you put it out there

1864
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 3: in the universe, you do things right and it comes.

1865
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 3: It comes home to roost. And I got two fights

1866
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 3: with Groves on paper view on Sky we sold out

1867
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 3: eighty thouns that stadium. Did you hear about that one?

1868
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 4: I heard about that. You never let us forget about it.

1869
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 3: So the Kester fight was the first fight back on

1870
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 3: pay per view. We split that with him, and I

1871
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 3: thought it's fair enough. He's a good guy. I likes

1872
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 3: I keep in touch with him.

1873
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 2: He's got I'd like to talk to him too.

1874
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 3: Man, I don't think you want to talk to you.

1875
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 3: I don't think it's interesting that conversation.

1876
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 2: I try.

1877
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 4: I try.

1878
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 3: Them stitches that you.

1879
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 2: Got more stitches body? So yeah, so like I never,

1880
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 2: I never, I never, I never you know, told my

1881
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 2: team anything like that. Man, Like you know, don't I

1882
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 2: don't want to travel it's just we just man, they

1883
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 2: negotiated hard and it's tough, because it's like it's not tough.

1884
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 2: But like, I'm never going to apologize for negotiating a

1885
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 2: good deal.

1886
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 4: Never.

1887
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 2: Never if my team negotiates a deal and they say, look.

1888
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 4: Man, I don't even know how they pulled it off.

1889
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,919
Speaker 2: I can't tell you, but there's bit There was concerns,

1890
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 2: especially being young and going over over there.

1891
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 4: You know, you possibly get rib or something like that.

1892
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 2: But man, shout out to my manager James Prince and

1893
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 2: Josh duben Man.

1894
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 4: They negotiated a good deal.

1895
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 3: The way I looked at it was it was an

1896
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 3: American tournament, American TV. And when I boxed in England

1897
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 3: at home in Ntingham against Darrel, it was at three

1898
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 3: in the morning, three four in the morning, and I thought,

1899
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 3: I don't want to fight at four in the morning.

1900
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 3: I'd rather go to America, stay over there for two

1901
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 3: three weeks, whether it's East Coast or West coast, get acclimatized,

1902
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 3: get away from home, get away from one of the

1903
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 3: destructions train. I fight in America, I don't mind if

1904
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 3: I'm fighting America. The anything I was bothered about fighting

1905
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 3: you in Atlantic City was the fact that I'd already

1906
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 3: been there. I've been here in Manhattan four or five

1907
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:00,759
Speaker 3: weeks against Glenn Johnson in the summer.

1908
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 2: I like Atlantic City, but I think it could have

1909
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 2: been somewhere.

1910
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 3: I was bored of flagging cabs down, going to Gleason's gym,

1911
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 3: going to Trinity Gym, got Peter Quillen trying to chimney

1912
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 3: every day and spot I had.

1913
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 2: I had a spy. Yeah, I knew about you.

1914
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 4: I knew about you. I knew you were training in

1915
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 4: New York. I know you, Peter Quiley, I knew everything.

1916
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 3: But when I did the ring, when I did the

1917
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 3: fight with you, it was the second It's like grandhog

1918
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:27,600
Speaker 3: Day back in New York December Christmas. I wanted to

1919
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 3: get over with my wife and kids and and on fighting.

1920
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 3: When I when I was going to the ring, I

1921
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 3: mean I got in there and I was fit, and

1922
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 3: I was strong, and I tried the best I think

1923
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 3: I could have done. There was a moment in the

1924
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 3: first round with you where we were having a look

1925
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 3: at each other. It's one of the first bell goes

1926
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 3: and you come together in the center of the ring.

1927
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 3: It's a bit like it's almost like and I had

1928
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 3: to body experience, and you come in and then then

1929
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 3: you're backing your body and it's like, right, I'm here

1930
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 3: and I'm banging a jabble it or you'll throw a punch,

1931
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 3: and then you get this reality that you're actually in

1932
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 3: the ring in a fight. And there was a time

1933
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 3: where I actually back to it. You was looking you

1934
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 3: was probably thinking what's he going to do? What's doing?

1935
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 3: How hard does he hit? Because I'm thinking how quick

1936
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 3: are you and all this? And there was a point

1937
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 3: when you stopped in front of me and he was

1938
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 3: against the ropes in the corner, and it was like

1939
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 3: all you had to do was let some shots go.

1940
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 3: It's just like throw a right hand and then throw

1941
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,759
Speaker 3: the left up right and then throw five or six shots.

1942
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 3: I did it to Jean Pascal when I fought it

1943
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 3: for my world title. But at that point when I

1944
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 3: stood in front of you in the very first part

1945
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 3: of the first round, I had an opportunity to let

1946
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 3: some shots go, and I opted to just step back.

1947
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 3: I just stepped back because I was I was on

1948
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 3: shore and I was not I was thinking what's coming

1949
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 3: back and me I was I was overthinking stuff because

1950
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't believe in myself. I didn't believe

1951
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 3: I could win the fight. Probably part of me didn't

1952
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 3: think I could win the fight, so I didn't want

1953
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 3: to engage properly. And you soon got to go in

1954
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 3: round two, three, four, and then you got on my

1955
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 3: chest and started doing your thing what you do that

1956
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 3: bit where you skirt around the rules. So he was

1957
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:54,640
Speaker 3: on me, and it's my own fault because and then

1958
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 3: as the fight got on, it got later on. I

1959
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 3: could see you looking up with the clock and if

1960
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 3: she was just like board or something, because look kill

1961
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 3: the clock on the big screen. And I was getting

1962
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 3: to I was finished strong, and I don't know if

1963
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 3: you was tiring or not. Probably not.

1964
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 2: You had the last couple of rounds, I mean, did

1965
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 2: you win the last two round?

1966
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 3: I want a couple of rounds towards the towards it.

1967
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you definitely. You definitely came on strong toward the

1968
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 2: end like I try to, you know, I try to

1969
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 2: pride myself on finishing strong too. I had a hand injury, man,

1970
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,600
Speaker 2: you know, I like a fracture hand, so that that

1971
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 2: was starting to like, man, you got a hard head,

1972
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 2: bro like I started because you what you what you

1973
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 2: do And I don't know if this is I don't

1974
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 2: know if this is a foul.

1975
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 3: But you you top of the head. Yeah, it works

1976
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 3: on the straight yeah fighting? Is that legal or straight fighting?

1977
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 4: Is it legal to put your head down?

1978
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1979
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 3: Because you just did that. You tell me you're the

1980
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 3: best for the head.

1981
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 2: Man, I don't know.

1982
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 4: Tell me, but you heard you re injured my hand early?

1983
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 3: Did I?

1984
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:50,719
Speaker 2: And then not if you just told me, I couldn't

1985
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,560
Speaker 2: tell you after like as the fight went on and

1986
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 2: it was like it was my hand was killing me.

1987
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 2: So I think it was part that it was also

1988
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 2: tough to make super middleweight. You know, I didn't get

1989
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 2: big in between fires, but it was just it was

1990
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 2: just getting hard. So it was a combination of things.

1991
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 2: Plus you were in great shape. But you also, man,

1992
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 2: I got to give you credit for this too. You know,

1993
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 2: I can tell you this now after all these years,

1994
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 2: and I mentioned this on your show too. You kept

1995
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 2: hitting me like I would I would. I was blocking

1996
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 2: the right hand to the head pretty good, but you

1997
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 2: kept you got long arms, man, kept hitting me to

1998
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 2: the straight to the body, and I took it. But

1999
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 2: you know, I'm full of adrenaline. All that. When the

2000
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 2: fight was over, I remember being on a plane with

2001
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 2: my family and just being like, like I could like.

2002
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 4: I could barely move, probably for like a week.

2003
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 2: Man, I had probably probably had a bruise rib or

2004
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 2: something like that. Man, So I give you credit for that.

2005
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 2: I feel bad. I feel bad. I give you credit.

2006
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 2: I give you credit for that. You know, I thought

2007
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 2: I was gonna take that to the grave, But.

2008
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 3: I get them little gloves. Are you feel the enough

2009
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 3: you keep pounding out ripped there and to keep landing

2010
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 3: the shots. I mean, you can take a job in

2011
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 3: the eye and your eyes caught. People don't realize body shots.

2012
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,799
Speaker 3: It's not how much are boxing pro boxing them little gloves,

2013
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 3: the painful hard glove. You keep getting hit with that

2014
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 3: right into the body. It is probably the only shot

2015
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:06,679
Speaker 3: I could eat it with. You've got good defense, good movement.

2016
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 3: And if I shoot it down there, but I'm looking

2017
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 3: in your eyes and I shoot it down there, I'll

2018
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 3: get away with landing a few of them, and then

2019
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 3: they slowly down the land you landed. Why you was

2020
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 3: gassing at the end.

2021
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 2: Wait, I don't think I ever guessed, man.

2022
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 3: When I last bell went, Was you thinking I've done it.

2023
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I survived this.

2024
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 4: Man, surviving one. Yes, feel I give you. Come on, man,

2025
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 4: I'm giving the bruise read man like just taking it

2026
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 4: around with it.

2027
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 3: We're trying to take a bit more.

2028
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 2: I got a couple more milit you out of it, man.

2029
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 2: So we got through that man, and then you know,

2030
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 2: post fight, I pretty much could fight who I wanted

2031
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 2: to fight at that time. Lucien Butte, Romanian fighter who

2032
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 2: resided in Quebec, Canada. He uh. I didn't respect the

2033
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 2: fact that he wasn't in a tournament, and everybody was

2034
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,560
Speaker 2: like we Our fight was barely over an hour and

2035
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 2: they were already trying to push me to to fight

2036
01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 2: bout and I'm like, nah, I'm like, Fratt can fight

2037
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 2: a man. I think that'll be a great fight. You know,

2038
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 2: I gotta think what I'm gonna do next. I didn't

2039
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 2: know what I want to do. I ended up going

2040
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 2: Chad Dawson, you and bue Man. But I didn't respect

2041
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 2: the fact that the best supermanlewights are in this tournament

2042
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 2: and you're the only one that's not. I didn't respect that.

2043
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 2: So why should we do the heavy lifting over two

2044
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 2: years and then you just come and get the winner.

2045
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 2: I didn't respect that, but you came and did what

2046
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 2: you had to do. Man, you stopped them. I thinking

2047
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 2: the fifth round, and not of him because and he

2048
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 2: is undefeated. A great performance and that And I'm gonna

2049
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 2: be real with you too. Like a lot of times

2050
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 2: when I fight guys that are undefeated or or guys

2051
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 2: that are elite, they don't they're not always the same

2052
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 2: after And it's not just the physical punishment. Some of

2053
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 2: it is the physical punishment. Some of it's psychological. You're

2054
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 2: one of the only guys that bounce back, like like

2055
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 2: Chad Dawson wasn't really the same, Kovalet wasn't the same

2056
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 2: twenty rounds. He never really returned the form like he

2057
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 2: was supposed to. I can go down the list of

2058
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:00,080
Speaker 2: guys that that never were quite the same, man, So

2059
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 2: I was. I always watched that about you said me,

2060
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 2: and Fries bounced back.

2061
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's a mindset, thoughn't it. It's a mindset. And

2062
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 3: there's a verse in the Bible proverbs iron sharpens iron,

2063
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 3: So to a good twelve rounds with you, you made

2064
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 3: me a better fighter, And I like to think that

2065
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 3: you at and you still got the desire. I still

2066
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 3: had the desire and I nowhere to go. You you

2067
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 3: took the WB at WBC and IBC and I was like, well,

2068
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 3: I'm not championingmore. I'm back in Nottingham, back in England

2069
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 3: and the tournament's finished now. It's like a two year

2070
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 3: two and a half year long, draining, drawn out process

2071
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 3: that Super six. I had had enough by the end.

2072
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 3: There's two camps here in Manhattan and then the Glen

2073
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 3: Chance and fight.

2074
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 2: Then you.

2075
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 3: I was like, I done, let's go, man, I'm finished,

2076
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:45,600
Speaker 3: not out the sport. I feel like I've had the

2077
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 3: rains let off now, got weight lift off and shoulders.

2078
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 3: I'm not champed, got no belts. I'm good that I've

2079
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 3: lost the fight, but let's go. It was next and

2080
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 3: Lucian Bute, IBF Champ. We got him to come to

2081
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 3: Nottingham and five rounds just put it on him. I

2082
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 3: just got in there and just unleash hell on him

2083
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 3: and he couldn't cope with it. I didn't think he'd

2084
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 3: be able to cope with it either either. I just

2085
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 3: thought if I put it on him and give him

2086
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 3: everything I've got, I trained like a a lunatic for

2087
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 3: that fart or my targets, got my diaries that went

2088
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 3: through him like O C D going for everything, and

2089
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, I got him, I've got him. All I

2090
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:17,599
Speaker 3: got to do is jump on him. I can't box

2091
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 3: and move a guy who's South poor, who got skills

2092
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 3: and keeps out the way and tries to out box you.

2093
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 3: Just gotta get on his just gotta get in his

2094
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 3: face and hit him with hard shots. Put it on

2095
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 3: him in Nightingham. He's in my hometown. Him out of time.

2096
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,839
Speaker 3: And that's why I wanted to get you to the forested.

2097
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 3: He didn't fancy did I come, Come, don't leave? I do.

2098
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 2: I do for the right price, when the right price,

2099
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 2: I told a man picked up when I when I

2100
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 2: told you. When I went and saw what the old

2101
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:45,720
Speaker 2: tours about, I wanted to come.

2102
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 3: I think I could have been a stadium fight, Yeah,

2103
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 3: I think so. I don't think it was one litter,

2104
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 3: I think so. Yeah, I disagree.

2105
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 2: I think so.

2106
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 3: I just think you've gotta have a You've gotta have a.

2107
01:30:56,439 --> 01:31:00,160
Speaker 2: You're a bit of a grudge match, and British think

2108
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:00,719
Speaker 2: the rematch.

2109
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 3: The British fans probably don't know who you are as

2110
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 3: much as the would you like with Groves because it

2111
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 3: was the first fight, and I.

2112
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 2: Mean, that's that's actually not Trueman and the UK fans broke.

2113
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 2: My fan base is crazy.

2114
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 3: You've got fans in the UK, but in terms of

2115
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 3: capturing the non boxing public's imagination to fill to fill

2116
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:17,320
Speaker 3: a stadium, you have to not just have the box.

2117
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 3: There's not enough boxing fans, you know what I mean,

2118
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 3: But you need to cross over. Maybe with me beating

2119
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 3: Kessler and then the two Groves fights, then if you

2120
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 3: would come out and said but I was done, I

2121
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 3: was retired. But when I was looking at maybe fighting

2122
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 3: you again, I'll be honest, I didn't really want to

2123
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 3: fight you again. I didn't want to be honest. Yeah,

2124
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 3: how do you know that? You don't know?

2125
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 2: Did you know the phone? The phone never get the

2126
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 2: phone never got.

2127
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 3: Did we say to you about fighting in Nottingham? Did nothing? Forest?

2128
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 2: I don't know about fighting that in him? I know,

2129
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 2: I know it was talk though, you know. I mean

2130
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 2: you would always say the right stuff. But I didn't

2131
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 2: like you said about the I didn't believe it.

2132
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 3: I didn't try and push the fight over much with it.

2133
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was a big fight. And I thought,

2134
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 3: now Groves is here piping up and got a bit

2135
01:31:59,320 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 3: of history from the.

2136
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 4: Much just a no, but how did you?

2137
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 2: How did you? How did you even get to Groves?

2138
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 2: Though he's a young guy coming out.

2139
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 3: He's eleven years younger man, he was manditory for the IBF.

2140
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 4: Because that's why you fought him initially.

2141
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the first fight, and I knew him

2142
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 3: from training and used to train with David. Hey, David,

2143
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,640
Speaker 3: he was my friend of mine, so he You know,

2144
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 3: that was.

2145
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 2: A controversial fight, the first fight, and that's the storyline,

2146
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:23,759
Speaker 2: Like you said that that bumped you from an arena

2147
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:25,200
Speaker 2: an arena to a stadium.

2148
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 4: Yeah right, you know, did he dropped you in the

2149
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 4: first fight?

2150
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he dropped you in the first round, the first round.

2151
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 2: It was a controversial stoppage and just all this stuff

2152
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 2: and then it shifted from an arena fight to a

2153
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 2: stadium fight.

2154
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 3: How many eighty thousand, biggest most war?

2155
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, at that.

2156
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 2: Time that was the biggest uk Gate attended. Sorry, yeah,

2157
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 2: yeah it was. And did you know that was your

2158
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 2: last fight going into that fight? Did you feel it?

2159
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 3: I knew in the com everything you knew it? Yeah?

2160
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 4: Did Coach Robert McCracken, though.

2161
01:32:58,160 --> 01:32:59,560
Speaker 3: He didn't know because I didn't want to tell that

2162
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 3: I do off. I don't want to because I didn't

2163
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:02,880
Speaker 3: want him thinking that my desires go and I don't

2164
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 3: want to be here because I did want to be there.

2165
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 3: I needed to get the fight because even though I

2166
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 3: won the first fight, it felt like a loss. I

2167
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 3: got received like a loss ye yep, because I got

2168
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 3: dropped in round one. I got beat up for six rounds.

2169
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 3: And then I started to turn the fight around, started

2170
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 3: to get to him, and when I was landing shots,

2171
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,720
Speaker 3: landing a couple of big shots, the ref jumped in

2172
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 3: and stopped fight, and it was like the crowd was booing.

2173
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 3: Everyone was annoyed. Sky Sports were going mental and all

2174
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 3: the papers and the next day was like disgrace and

2175
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 3: all this, But.

2176
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:35,600
Speaker 2: It was good because he got you.

2177
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 3: Of course, I created all the all the controversy for

2178
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 3: the rematch that created one mistadium, and I thought I

2179
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 3: didn't I didn't want to fight Grows in the first

2180
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 3: fight anyway. I didn't think it was a big enough fire.

2181
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 3: I wanted to sort of do something in America, go

2182
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 3: over to Vegas, maybe fight Chevez Junior or someone. I

2183
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 3: thought would be a bit of a steady fight. We

2184
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 3: got the Groves first fight, then we got the rematch,

2185
01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 3: and I just thought, this rematch is so big, all

2186
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 3: them people at when all the gate pay per view

2187
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 3: on Sky did massive numbers, and as I thought, this

2188
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 3: is my this is my testimonial fight, this is my

2189
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:10,599
Speaker 3: swan song. I'm done. I don't want to be here anymore.

2190
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 3: I didn't want to be there in the first fight

2191
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:15,679
Speaker 3: after being Kessler because he beat me in the first fight.

2192
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 3: To get the rematch with Kesler and beat Kesler, it

2193
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 3: was like, I've righted that wrong. I've corrected that loss

2194
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 3: all them years of that two three years earlier I

2195
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 3: lost to Kessler. So to get him back in the

2196
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:30,720
Speaker 3: rematch and get paid on Sky pay per view, I

2197
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 3: got selected to dance and dance show with my wife Rachel,

2198
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 3: so we did like some on national television it.

2199
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 4: How far did you go in the tournament?

2200
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:43,760
Speaker 3: Just to the point where I pulled out of a

2201
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 3: back injury. Wait, dancing one week and then I got

2202
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 3: through the next week. Yeah, I pulled out. Yeah, but

2203
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 3: I was training for the gross fight and I have

2204
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 3: to be careful what I said because I got paid.

2205
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:01,719
Speaker 3: So I got injured. I got a real bad back injury.

2206
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:06,879
Speaker 3: You know what, I'm walk Yeah, So my back was finished.

2207
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 3: And then somehow, like after I pulled out the dance sher,

2208
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 3: my back was better. I started trying in the camp

2209
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 3: really good physio. So I was doing this dance sher,

2210
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 3: having botox, having makeup of my hair done, and I'm

2211
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:23,599
Speaker 3: on the TV. I'm like a celebrity. I'm like serious, Yeah,

2212
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, forget this boxing game. Just beat Kessler. I've

2213
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 3: made a few million quid, but not really motivated by money.

2214
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 3: I've got my kids, I've got my health. I'm blessed.

2215
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 3: I'm done. And then grows comes out of woodwork and

2216
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 3: this first fight with Gross talking to I'm not taking

2217
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 3: them serious, man. I'm thinking I've only got into on

2218
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 3: the chin and I went, I knock him out?

2219
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 2: Where is that? Did you? Did you check all your boxes?

2220
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2221
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 2: Nowhere there?

2222
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 3: Man?

2223
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 2: Are you serious? No?

2224
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:48,640
Speaker 3: Nothing, that's so unprofessional. And Rob knew as well, like

2225
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 3: the ring walk from the from the cold changing rooms

2226
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:53,600
Speaker 3: after being on the pads and being slow with the

2227
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 3: jab and the right hand, and I think I said

2228
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 3: to Rob, is it cold in here? I knew walking

2229
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 3: to the ring. This is bad and I got dropped

2230
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:05,759
Speaker 3: in round one. Ill prepared, unprofessional, bad head like bad mindset,

2231
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:10,639
Speaker 3: like a child. Really, that's so unprofessional. I got dropped

2232
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:12,680
Speaker 3: in round one and beat up like I never beat

2233
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:13,439
Speaker 3: up before my life.

2234
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 2: But you read it the wrong and a rematch.

2235
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 3: Now I've got the rematch and trained for twelve weeks

2236
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:20,679
Speaker 3: in Sheffield. I was at home in nightingingod training.

2237
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

2238
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 3: In the first fill, I didn't think. I thought, I've

2239
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:24,600
Speaker 3: got my babies at home. I got my kids and

2240
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 3: I'm enjoying life. I thought I could just do what

2241
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 3: I need to do and then get through the fight.

2242
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 3: And I'll I'll not get through the training camp and

2243
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 3: I'm not Groves out and that's the reason why the

2244
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 3: fight was closed. That's the reason I got dropped. And

2245
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,000
Speaker 3: that's what I said to Groves in the rematch. I said,

2246
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 3: I never trained properly. I was doing a dance show.

2247
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 3: You saw it, saw me on there doing the banger

2248
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 3: and doing the the Romba. You see my moves, man,

2249
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 3: and then you dropped me in round one. You dropped

2250
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:49,640
Speaker 3: me in around one, and you beat me up for

2251
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 3: six rounds. You couldn't miss my mother shot, but you

2252
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 3: put me away, finish the job. But this time, guess

2253
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 3: what I'm in the camp man, I'm twelve weeks Sheffield.

2254
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 2: I think he knew that deep, Yeah, I think.

2255
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 3: When I told him on the gloves are off and

2256
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 3: handshake at the end and he tried to pull me

2257
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:06,639
Speaker 3: and I pulled him over the table. I just done

2258
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:09,519
Speaker 3: him at every angle and I'm fighting. I just chinned him.

2259
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 3: The fight was boring fight. Not much happened, just me

2260
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 3: and the center of the ring, not giving any ground.

2261
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 3: As he came, meet him, as he comes, back him up,

2262
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 3: back him up. He's going round and around the ring

2263
01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 3: and we've got the smallest possible ring because Romocrack can

2264
01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 3: picked the ring side because we're the champ. And eventually

2265
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 3: I got him in the corner, little fake check up

2266
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 3: right and got him looking unconscious. Else bar come in

2267
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 3: front of eight thousand fans and that's that was a

2268
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 3: mic drop for me. That was like I'm done there.

2269
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 3: Just got for a camp with duct tape around the

2270
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 3: elbows and the hands of neck and my next saw

2271
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:43,640
Speaker 3: my back. My kill is tender and five operations. It's

2272
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 3: like I've got my kids money in the bank, got

2273
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 3: my health, which is the most important thing. I'm done.

2274
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 3: If you have come to night, you and I might

2275
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 3: have got out of the bed for one more time.

2276
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 2: We can still do it. What was that? We can

2277
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 2: still do it? Really?

2278
01:37:58,640 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 3: What time is it?

2279
01:37:59,200 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 4: It's a lot of money.

2280
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:03,919
Speaker 3: I get back to you. Would you have an exhibition

2281
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 3: with a cobra with you?

2282
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 2: I think that? Oh yeah, huh with your No, I

2283
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 2: want to.

2284
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 4: I want to do it with you.

2285
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:16,200
Speaker 3: Really, see how my face has changed. I'm not laughing.

2286
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 2: Would you do it well?

2287
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 3: An exhibition fight?

2288
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm thinking too long.

2289
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 4: You're not ready, bro, You're thinking too long.

2290
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 2: The old cobra.

2291
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 3: Would you don't want to? You have answered that twelve

2292
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 3: years in May.

2293
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 2: I've been retired eight years.

2294
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's four years longer than night, doesn't it it is?

2295
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 2: I'm about one nine, Yeah, I'm about one ninety six.

2296
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 3: One ninety six? So what would we do?

2297
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:45,040
Speaker 2: We wait? Would you say you picked away?

2298
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 3: I picked away?

2299
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm good at any type of weather man.

2300
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 4: Whatever you want to do.

2301
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 2: I'm not picky.

2302
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 3: What's it appen?

2303
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 2: Huh? What's I'm not picky?

2304
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 3: Come on?

2305
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:58,639
Speaker 4: You said on travel, So I want to show.

2306
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 3: You can travel yeah, so you're gonna come to noting.

2307
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 2: Why would you want to do it? Not in here?

2308
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:04,320
Speaker 2: No disrespect, but you don't want to do it like

2309
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 2: in Saudi or somewhere, you know, like if he say, man,

2310
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:10,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you three times four times the money,

2311
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 2: you gotta come to Sarty though, you get on the

2312
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:12,679
Speaker 2: plane of SARTI.

2313
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 4: Where else would you want to have it? If it's

2314
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 4: not we can do it up.

2315
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 2: We can do it in London. We can do it YouTube.

2316
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 3: Or the best six three minutes round six.

2317
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 2: Dang, that's all you want to do. At least do

2318
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 2: eight man, Hall of famers bro at least do eight.

2319
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 2: I need to get at least do eight.

2320
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 3: So we've got an eight round eight three minutes? How

2321
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:36,679
Speaker 3: big little gloves got straight? Those?

2322
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 2: Now?

2323
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 3: I don't want to You want to message that in

2324
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 3: the contract you can't me? Can we sign out there?

2325
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 2: Hey?

2326
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 4: That's how you know you were tired.

2327
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:47,519
Speaker 2: You start making concessions like that when you start thinking

2328
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:48,400
Speaker 2: about concessions.

2329
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:50,479
Speaker 3: No nose shots.

2330
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 2: Hey, we civilians. Now, man, we're not gonna find.

2331
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 3: We're not gonna fight, but you would because it makes sense.

2332
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:00,320
Speaker 3: You know what if you would find, I would definitely

2333
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 3: look at it like we had a little joke. Then

2334
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:03,759
Speaker 3: you've been serious.

2335
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 2: I've thought about this.

2336
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,160
Speaker 3: You didn't twitch, did you at all? Because you were

2337
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:11,680
Speaker 3: talking about fighting and to Joshua I mentioned it, but

2338
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 3: I big, would you help that because you put my

2339
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 3: weight on she's naturally quiet. What is six one? Six

2340
01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 3: foot one? But you're not even two hundred pounds.

2341
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 2: To But I can get it easy, to get to

2342
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 2: two tear easy. But it's not a whit thing, man,

2343
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 2: It's it's a skill game. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

2344
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 4: So we'll take this station for another day.

2345
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 3: We'll pick it up.

2346
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about it.

2347
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 3: I've got to think about that one.

2348
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:41,000
Speaker 2: Think about the processing, processing process it.

2349
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 3: We need Turkey involved. Turkey allow shake. If you want

2350
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 3: to see me get beat up, it could be the

2351
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:53,040
Speaker 3: man to do it, I think, to get me beat

2352
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:55,679
Speaker 3: up by didn't it turkey?

2353
01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:58,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? I thinks there.

2354
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 3: And he went to He went to because I can

2355
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 3: sell a paid some serious Yeah to show yop he agreed,

2356
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 3: and then Oh Diddy then pulled out there.

2357
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 4: I want to end with this man.

2358
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 2: So you retired thirty seven and thirty eight, thirty seven

2359
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:17,280
Speaker 2: like officially retired thirty eight years old.

2360
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:24,560
Speaker 3: It was twenty fifteen, well a box May fourteen, it

2361
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:26,679
Speaker 3: would have been probably late two and fourty.

2362
01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:31,440
Speaker 2: Man. I remember when I saw I was in Oakland, California,

2363
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 2: and I remember when I saw you retired, and I

2364
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 2: remember I was happy for you, but it was also

2365
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 2: a part of me I was like, like, I want that.

2366
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 4: I remember I remember reading it on one of these.

2367
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,800
Speaker 2: Websites, and I was like, I was happy, but I

2368
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 2: was like, dang, man, because I was already like having

2369
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 2: thoughts of retirement and stuff like that. I know it

2370
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 2: wasn't quite time, but I wanted to be done. And

2371
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:58,240
Speaker 2: I remember just having that desire to want to do

2372
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:01,720
Speaker 2: that one day and walk away on top and and

2373
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 2: just be able to give my freedom back and just

2374
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:07,680
Speaker 2: start a new life. And you know, I remember that, man,

2375
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:09,880
Speaker 2: And uh, but I wanted to ask you. You know,

2376
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 2: somebody that's like, as competitive as you are, a fighter

2377
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:16,680
Speaker 2: always had a mission. You know, you always got a

2378
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:18,800
Speaker 2: camp coming up, we got weight control, we got all

2379
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:22,000
Speaker 2: the stuff. What is your new mission? Now? You got

2380
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 2: you got fight on fighting, you know, done commentating your business,

2381
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:28,560
Speaker 2: you have things, one of your beautiful family. What is

2382
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:30,120
Speaker 2: your new mission, Well, how do you how do you

2383
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:33,439
Speaker 2: feed that desire, that fire? How do you feed that today?

2384
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:36,800
Speaker 3: I've invested a lot of my money into properties, but

2385
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 3: my brother manages my property portfolio to that kind of

2386
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 3: text care of itself. So I worked for Sky Sports

2387
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 3: after I retired, and that kept me out of the

2388
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 3: boxing ring because you sit ringside commentating seeing people get

2389
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 3: punched in the ad, you can hear the punches and

2390
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 3: the anything.

2391
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 4: Can't believe you I used to do?

2392
01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:56,400
Speaker 3: Do you think that's what I used to do? That

2393
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 3: looks like and I've done it for most of my life,

2394
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 3: and that kind of makes you think. I don't fancy

2395
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 3: that anymore, especially when you've had no surgery and you're

2396
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 3: relaxed and you you can eat what you want because

2397
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:09,840
Speaker 3: I was watching my diet quite a bit, especially in

2398
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 3: my thirties. So you're comfortable, relaxed family life. So never

2399
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 3: really fancy getting back in the ring. But I think

2400
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:18,560
Speaker 3: Sky working for as a broadcaster ringside that helped me.

2401
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:20,720
Speaker 3: And that was my mission to become a broadcaster and

2402
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:23,680
Speaker 3: enjoying you're you're doing it yourself now, working for is

2403
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,560
Speaker 3: it is? It was TV networkers. It's a showtime was it.

2404
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 3: I work with all of them, with all of them,

2405
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:31,799
Speaker 3: but being a broadcaster keeps you busy, I think keeps.

2406
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:33,880
Speaker 2: Best seeing the house, but you're not taking any punches.

2407
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:36,560
Speaker 3: No, exactly exactly. So that was what I did with

2408
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:38,960
Speaker 3: my properties. So that's just secure my money and keep

2409
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:41,160
Speaker 3: making sure that the money I've earned working for me.

2410
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 3: Like my first world title fight against Jean Pascal, I

2411
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 3: think I got paid one hundred and fifty thousand sterling

2412
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:49,640
Speaker 3: obviously English pounds, and be like, wow, that's so that

2413
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:51,840
Speaker 3: such bad money, Like it's not very good money for

2414
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:54,160
Speaker 3: a world title fight. Yeah, but that one hundred and

2415
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:57,760
Speaker 3: fifty thousand pounds still paying me a wage because that

2416
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:00,599
Speaker 3: went down on a property that's rented, and that property

2417
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:02,719
Speaker 3: is now worth half a million quid and it's rented

2418
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,840
Speaker 3: for X amount of thousands per month. So that that's

2419
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:07,800
Speaker 3: how if you go out and buy a Ferrari within

2420
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 3: fifty grand, then your hundred and fifty grand is going

2421
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:13,400
Speaker 3: to be done in about three or four years. But

2422
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:15,639
Speaker 3: so I've set himself up in that sense, so I'm

2423
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 3: financially in a really good position, financially free, and that

2424
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 3: was a mission for a while. So I was doing

2425
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:23,679
Speaker 3: my properties whilst I was boxing, and then when I retired,

2426
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 3: I then went next level and started leveraging and getting

2427
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 3: more properties. So that's Dawn Box that off and accused

2428
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 3: my brother and work my older brother, so he managed

2429
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:33,320
Speaker 3: it on. He's got a nice he's got a nice

2430
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:34,880
Speaker 3: life now managing that. So I don't think it's do

2431
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:37,879
Speaker 3: much with that. So I'm working for Sky. Then that finished,

2432
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 3: got a bit political, but I wanted to do my

2433
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:42,800
Speaker 3: own thing anyway. It's don't want to be told what

2434
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 3: to say or do or what to wear, whether that's

2435
01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:51,000
Speaker 3: a rainbow badge or whether that's whatever agenda is being

2436
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,439
Speaker 3: pushed to the public. I don't want to be involved

2437
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 3: in it. I mean, I've got three kids at home,

2438
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 3: and I just want to concentrate on looking after my

2439
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:01,320
Speaker 3: kids and letting them look up to me. And my

2440
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:04,040
Speaker 3: soul is not for sale. So I'm like, I'm doing

2441
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:05,920
Speaker 3: my own thing now, So now do my own thing

2442
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,760
Speaker 3: on frost On Fighting. Yeah, So that's my mission. To

2443
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:10,920
Speaker 3: make sure my channel does well and I get good views,

2444
01:45:10,920 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 3: I get big hits, big numbers, and I enjoy it

2445
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 3: other than that. Now, because this is this is, this

2446
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:18,599
Speaker 3: is what brought me here, but I go to all

2447
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:21,280
Speaker 3: the big fights, and I've been to the Miami, Las Vegas,

2448
01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia twice to buy a couple of times. I'm

2449
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 3: always here, there and everywhere for my channel. It's great

2450
01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:28,000
Speaker 3: and there's just two of us. We're two man team.

2451
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 3: I'm just enjoying it. But that eventually, I mean, for

2452
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:35,599
Speaker 3: now I'm enjoying I'm doing it. That eventually will run

2453
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:37,519
Speaker 3: its course because I'll be like, I've had enough now,

2454
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:39,720
Speaker 3: I'll just stay home a little bit more. But all

2455
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:41,519
Speaker 3: I'm doing now is trying to get out of the country.

2456
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:43,000
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get out of the UK.

2457
01:45:43,320 --> 01:45:44,760
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, where are you trying to go?

2458
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:48,519
Speaker 3: I've got a place in to buy, but it's not

2459
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:51,519
Speaker 3: built for a couple of years. So I'm now just

2460
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:55,320
Speaker 3: working out if I'm renting or buying something else. I

2461
01:45:55,400 --> 01:45:57,639
Speaker 3: don't like to waste money renting, so I might buy

2462
01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 3: a plot to live in that he's doing all that.

2463
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:02,559
Speaker 3: My myplot's built. I'm moving to that.

2464
01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:07,679
Speaker 2: Permanently, permanently, permanently or permanently.

2465
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, like leave, Yeah, I'm leaving the UK. Really, yeah,

2466
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 3: I've got three kids.

2467
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 2: How's your mother feel about it? My mom.

2468
01:46:16,400 --> 01:46:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, miss she'll come out of Flyer Action com

2469
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:19,879
Speaker 3: seem probably see.

2470
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:21,799
Speaker 2: More of a Dubai.

2471
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, really just because of the safety and my kids.

2472
01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:28,559
Speaker 3: I'm worried about my kids going out on the street.

2473
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:32,599
Speaker 3: Rocco's fifteen. There's a big lad, good looking, plays the guitar,

2474
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:36,679
Speaker 3: plays golf, and the UK is dangerous see the knife

2475
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:39,799
Speaker 3: knife crime. Yeah, we've got a problem with immigration.

2476
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:40,240
Speaker 2: We have.

2477
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:42,000
Speaker 3: Whether people want to talk about it or art, there's

2478
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:45,840
Speaker 3: an issue. So I don't want to be there. I

2479
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 3: don't want to risk my kids getting I think the

2480
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:52,400
Speaker 3: paramount importance for society should be the safety of people.

2481
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:56,519
Speaker 3: People should feel safe in their own country, and I

2482
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:59,560
Speaker 3: don't feel safe in England. So my mission now is

2483
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 3: your question is to let my three children be grow

2484
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 3: up in a safe environment. And I've got friends who

2485
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:08,760
Speaker 3: live in Dubai. A friend of mine and Anderson's out

2486
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 3: there with his four kids, and I've got other people there,

2487
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I've seen it, I've been there. It's

2488
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:15,360
Speaker 3: too hot, too hot in the summer. Can't stay there

2489
01:47:15,400 --> 01:47:17,679
Speaker 3: through the summer. So I've got a place in Marbay.

2490
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:21,360
Speaker 3: I've got a villa, nice villa in Malbaya No Avander Lucia,

2491
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:22,840
Speaker 3: which is a nice part of my bear in Spain.

2492
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 3: So I'll go there in the summer. I'll go there

2493
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:27,880
Speaker 3: every summer anyway, so I'll be Dubai when the kids

2494
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,040
Speaker 3: are at school, so through the academic year will be

2495
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:33,040
Speaker 3: a Dubai and then I'll be in Spain and i

2496
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:35,559
Speaker 3: will go back to England here and there because I've

2497
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:37,080
Speaker 3: got business to take care of. So I've got the

2498
01:47:37,120 --> 01:47:39,519
Speaker 3: property I live in now, and I've got all mither properties,

2499
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:41,599
Speaker 3: so there's a lot of stuff to do. So that's

2500
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 3: my next mission to answer your question. My thing that

2501
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 3: it's quite a big move, taking three kids. I've got

2502
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 3: fifty fifteen year old born, two girls twelve and ten,

2503
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:55,639
Speaker 3: Italian Penelope, moving out to the Emirates, Arab Emirates. Total

2504
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 3: different culture change. It's going to be hard. Climate's toe,

2505
01:48:00,360 --> 01:48:02,720
Speaker 3: the climate's insane, it's too hot in the summer. But

2506
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 3: you got air conditioning whatever. So that's my mission now

2507
01:48:06,439 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 3: now only forty eight you man life short. Go out

2508
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:12,200
Speaker 3: there for probably five six years, let the kids finish school.

2509
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:16,599
Speaker 3: They'll do an international education curriculum so they'll be very worldly.

2510
01:48:16,720 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 3: Roco Can plays golf. Roco plays golf off his off

2511
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 3: single figures. So if he starts his A levels in

2512
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 3: the Buy in September September this year, we have two

2513
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:28,639
Speaker 3: years of him doing his A levels and playing golf

2514
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 3: every day. Hopefully he'll come over to the States, so

2515
01:48:32,120 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 3: Florida and'll get a golf scholarship. That'll do him sort

2516
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:37,640
Speaker 3: of sett up. So he can come over here to

2517
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 3: the States and do his scholarship, do three four years,

2518
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:47,679
Speaker 3: get a degree, meet a girl, do what young Menda,

2519
01:48:48,720 --> 01:48:51,800
Speaker 3: enjoy himself, become a man, and maybe come back to

2520
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:53,680
Speaker 3: the Buy, maybe come back to Spain. It's just like

2521
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:56,880
Speaker 3: you can't plan too far ahead. Tomorrow's never promised, is it?

2522
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:00,160
Speaker 3: What's happened in the back's history? Live for today, but

2523
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 3: in my head now and we get my kids safe,

2524
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:05,680
Speaker 3: and I want to settle somewhere away from away from

2525
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:07,760
Speaker 3: the UK. So that's where I'm at the minute. It's

2526
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:10,320
Speaker 3: quite a big move. It's quite stressful. My wife wants

2527
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:12,960
Speaker 3: to do it, which is good. She wants to move. Yeah.

2528
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 3: Luckily my son has his girlfriend's German in Germany. It

2529
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:20,360
Speaker 3: was only fifteen. But if he had a girlfriend at

2530
01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:22,800
Speaker 3: fifteen in the UK, and I'm saying we'll go in

2531
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:25,559
Speaker 3: there's I'm not going. But luckily he met someone at skiing,

2532
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 3: like a couple of years ago. He just keeps in

2533
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:29,760
Speaker 3: touching on his on his snapchat. So don't my way

2534
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 3: we got and my girls are young enough to say,

2535
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:34,120
Speaker 3: you know what. So yeah, that's my little plan. And

2536
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:35,280
Speaker 3: the bar looks good at the minute.

2537
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:36,040
Speaker 2: I like to look.

2538
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. My favorite place in the world I've ever been. No,

2539
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 3: not the bar, no, no, no, the favorite place I've

2540
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 3: ever been in the world with Miami Miami. I was

2541
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:49,400
Speaker 3: there and that's that's when AJ fought Jake Paul. What

2542
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:55,280
Speaker 3: a place Miami is? Just the sun, the beach, the bars,

2543
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:58,719
Speaker 3: the restaurants, just such a nice place. Do you like Miami?

2544
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:02,200
Speaker 2: It's cool like other parts of I like the busy Miami,

2545
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:06,760
Speaker 2: but Miami Miami. Man, there's other there's other cities I

2546
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:09,040
Speaker 2: probably like better, a little bit slower, you know what

2547
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:11,720
Speaker 2: I'm saying, But it's cool to visit. Yeah, but I

2548
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:15,360
Speaker 2: appreciate you, man, I'm always pleasure for the time. This

2549
01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 2: conversation didn't disappoint. Hope is everything that you guys thought

2550
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 2: it was gonna be. Man, that's another episode of the

2551
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:42,240
Speaker 2: Art of War. Good brother, I thank you, H.