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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: Is this this Morning Combat?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah? Right, oh yeah. There ain't no feeling like

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Speaker 2: K The Morning Cobbat Friday, August twenty fifth, twoenty and

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Speaker 2: twenty three, and your two favorite co hostesses with the

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Speaker 2: the base bass start, Brian Campbell and the man next

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Speaker 2: to me, the best damn combat sports analysts that they

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Speaker 2: got going today. It's Luke Frickin' Thomas. Luke. We got

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Speaker 2: a great show to set the stage ahead of UFC

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Speaker 2: But it's Friday. We roll out the balls like every

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Speaker 2: of America. We're gonna have some fun just the same today.

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Speaker 2: I know. It was the great, amazing Tukester's first day

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Speaker 1: Big day, Big Dave let his first day at school.

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Speaker 1: Very excited about that. That was a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: and a lot of terror this morning. But we got

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Speaker 1: it done. We got a Would you say about the

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Speaker 1: Combat Sports slate of fights, I would call it not premium,

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Speaker 1: but definitely not garbage. I don't think that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Anvyweight Championship of the World will be at Steak Unboxing

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Speaker 1: Garbage, Yeah, I mean, you know, okay, but also Mike

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Speaker 1: Tyson saying some wild ass shit. We'll talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of wild as shit, I'm on like day nine

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Speaker 2: This is great, man, This show has turned a ship. Indeed, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I wear this T shirt with purpose. I do want

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Speaker 2: to shout out the the untimely passing at age thirty

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Speaker 2: six of Wyndham Rotunda aka bray Wyatt, a legend when

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Speaker 2: it comes to character development and storytelling and his WWE run.

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Speaker 2: And you know, a third generation superstar, the son of

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Speaker 2: This one hurt, Luke. I don't tend to follow the

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Speaker 2: who it's looking like the reports say had a basically

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Speaker 2: But man, this one was tough to take. And wrestlers

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Speaker 2: die young, Luke, that's what they do. This one was

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Speaker 2: tough though you at all?

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Speaker 1: No, I mean I didn't. I don't know who he is,

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Speaker 1: or on social media. But you know, what are you

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Speaker 2: how about a good call out, Luke. Today the sixteenth

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Speaker 1: Let's be honest, he's probably going to win again, right.

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Speaker 2: we really are going to experience this at the end

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Speaker 2: your updated standings. Because three weeks ago, Luke, how about

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Speaker 2: but you're holding You're holding. Serve here sixty one fifty

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Speaker 2: I'll go all right first. Look for the main event,

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Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, I mean, listen, everyone's kind of been like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Could it be competitive and fun? Absolutely? Does TKZ have

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Speaker 2: Max? Right? Yeah? Absolutely, I think that's a safe and

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Speaker 2: it plays out really competitively. It's a featherweight matchup. Giga Chikazi,

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Speaker 2: starting to figure out it out. Minus two point fifty

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Speaker 2: While that certainly can fuel the questions about it, meaning

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Speaker 2: I gotta believe Luke he comes back strong with a bang,

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Speaker 2: There are levels to this fight. If Giga can reset

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that one too. I think he's just

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Speaker 1: also like, who's got the more known brutality quotient. It's Kichakanzi, right,

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Speaker 1: For my favorite pick, it wasn't you'll be proud of me.

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Speaker 1: give me Aaron Blanchfield. She's sitting at minus one sixty

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Speaker 1: she just looks better and better every single time. It's

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Speaker 1: a tough fight, it's a close fight, but give me

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Speaker 2: So I'm glad that it played out that we're making

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Speaker 2: But she's fresh off that performance against Valentina Chevchenko where

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Speaker 2: Could Tyler Santos just be tough enough, difficult enough to

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Speaker 2: do I need to just work a little bit more on. Look,

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Speaker 1: It all right. Yeah, I'm a little surprised by that.

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Speaker 2: We show the face off here as we as we

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Speaker 2: Which one I knew that was coming? Nothing too crazy here,

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Speaker 1: She might be likely when you put that because also, Mikey,

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Speaker 1: you put that it's an exam. I just feel like

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Speaker 1: it's one Aaron Blancheld's going to pass. But you are

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Speaker 1: right to say that she's a real threat.

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Speaker 2: Before I throw it over to your underdog pick. Mikey

431
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Speaker 2: put out a pole in our live chat. So hopefully

432
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Speaker 2: everybody was able to swim aside from the misogyny, racism,

433
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Speaker 2: and dead bodies from the Titanic that are still floating

434
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Speaker 2: in there. Luke and they The pole was who's a

435
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Speaker 2: better lock to win on Saturday from our main event pics?

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Speaker 2: Is it Max Holloway againstz Or Alexander Usik against Daniel Dubois.

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Speaker 2: Sixty percent say Max is a better lock at the moment, Luke,

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Speaker 2: will you trust those folks?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's about right.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 1: Look, I can't believe you you passed on this as

442
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Speaker 1: a Connecticut guy, but you know you also don't listen

443
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Speaker 1: to apathy, so your Connecticut credentials are certainly in question.

444
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 1: But I will say for the underdog, give me park

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Speaker 1: Reporter over Justin Tafa. Now listen, I don't have a

446
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: strong inclination about it. And to be clear, like listen

447
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 1: to the to the odds, our friends at Caesar's have

448
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Speaker 1: this contest. Park Reporter at a plus one twenty five

449
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Speaker 1: just Tafa minus one fifty. It's a close fight. It's

450
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Speaker 1: a close fight. It could go a million different ways.

451
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Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, BC Parker Porter fourteen and

452
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Speaker 1: eighty has a lot more experience. He's now, he's a

453
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Speaker 1: lot older, he's thirty eight years of age. But his

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Speaker 1: last contest against Braxton Smith, who yes, was very much overmatched,

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Speaker 1: and he did lose to Justin Taffa. I'm just sort

456
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Speaker 1: of pointing out, you know, the guy has made some improvements.

457
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Speaker 1: He has lost a bunch of weight. It has made

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Speaker 1: him more mobile. It's a heavyweight contest. If Tafa gets

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Speaker 1: way too out in front of himself, a guy like

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Speaker 1: Parkerporter does have enough skills to make him pay. And hey,

461
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Speaker 1: fucking why not the guys from Connecticut. Let's throw a

462
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 1: couple of shekels his way in terms of the betting.

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Speaker 1: Give me park Reporter as an upset. I'll take it.

464
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Speaker 2: That's what scared me in picking him either way, because

465
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Speaker 2: he's a Connecticut guy. And I got to stop making

466
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Speaker 2: emotional picks about women in the UFC, I like and people.

467
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Speaker 2: I'm down with Luke, so I avoided that completely. But

468
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: never forget that Parker Posey here fought John Jones in

469
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Speaker 2: his third pro fight in two thousand and eight outside

470
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Speaker 2: of the UFC. Like, that's the most wild and ridiculous

471
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Speaker 2: random early resume stat that I remember in a while, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Outside of maybe that what's his name? That Force Griffin fought,

473
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Speaker 2: you know, Dan Severn who fought like three hundred consecutive

474
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Speaker 2: fights in the state of Michigan. Probably still fighting. Look,

475
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Speaker 2: probably still fight right.

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Speaker 1: Now as we speak, just somewhere in a stuck East

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Speaker 1: parking lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, him and Jeremy Horn, just adding to their respective

479
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Speaker 2: records every other hour. But yeah, there you go, right there.

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Speaker 2: That'll be interesting to see. It comes down to whether

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Speaker 2: park reporter's in shape. He was in shape last fight.

482
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 2: He seemed to be a different fighter, even at this

483
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Speaker 2: late age. But here we go the tour of Tafa.

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Speaker 1: Let's hope you uh, I mean, I really, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm already regretting the pick. I mean, I'm picking a

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Speaker 1: you know, Connecticut white guy over you know, a Polynesian

487
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Speaker 1: Pacific islander. That's probably like a real bad bet, but

488
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Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm locked in something.

489
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Speaker 2: The difference is between you and me, is I want

490
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Speaker 2: you to be at a jam band show, Luke. That's

491
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: the difference between you and me. I think right now

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Speaker 2: I'll go over to the category of over under. Will

493
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Speaker 2: it go the distance? Yeah, Luke, I did take the

494
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 2: easy way out here. I was waiting for you to

495
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Speaker 2: use your championship championship advantage and stop me. But Aldrich

496
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: versus Nah on the prelimited card of the UFC. Of course,

497
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: jj Altrich against Liang Nah women's flyweight out. It doesn't

498
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Speaker 2: matter in this case who wins, Luke statistically or are

499
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Speaker 2: they going to go the distance? Probably Aldrich does not

500
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 2: have a stoppage win in the UFC. She's been submitted

501
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: a couple of times though. That's this is safe and

502
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: you let me have it. This is me standing on

503
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Speaker 2: the other side of the court allowing my team to

504
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 2: play four on five and pick up ball, hoping the

505
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: team misses so they can throw me a full court

506
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Speaker 2: cherry picker.

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Speaker 1: Luke, you talked a gang of shit about how I was,

508
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, just absolutely welfare cleaning the system. I mean,

509
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: just abusing and using it. And then all of a

510
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: sudden you realize, wait, there's a meth. If you can't

511
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: beat them, join them the Brian Campbell story. Huh.

512
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: If you can't beat them off, Luke, then just subscribe

513
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: to their only fans. That's how I live my life, you.

514
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: Know what I mean. I told you when I was

515
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Speaker 1: in a fraternity, we did a we did an event

516
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: with a sorority like some kind of I don't know

517
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Speaker 1: what the philanthropy was, and we made shirts that they

518
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: didn't know about. But then when they had to wear that,

519
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: this is awful. I was twenty years old. What are

520
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Actually, I wasn't even in charge of this,

521
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: but I did wear the shirt. If you can't beat

522
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: us on the field, beat us off was really the

523
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Speaker 1: name of it.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow, Yeah, that's it looks like the glory

525
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 2: days of misogyny. Yes, that's great.

526
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Speaker 1: I know. I look back at my time from like

527
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Speaker 1: twenty like not even that any thing I did up

528
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Speaker 1: to the age of twenty five, and I'm like, Jesus,

529
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: I was really stupid and awful. This is uh. I've

530
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: learned a lot since then.

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Speaker 2: I'll say that, thank you, thank you for that growth

532
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Speaker 2: and evolution.

533
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Speaker 1: I'm all right for my Uh does it go the

534
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: distance or not? I am gonna say, give me Smith

535
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: versus Span the rematch will not go the distance. And

536
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: the first one didn't even get out of the first round. Now,

537
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: of course I might be jinxing myself and they could

538
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,239
Speaker 1: take a much more different approach and be calculated, and

539
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,239
Speaker 1: it kind of sucks. And whoever, I don't know. I

540
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: just don't buy that. I don't I don't really buy that.

541
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, Smith, I think is long in the truth,

542
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: and I don't know if his body's gonna hold up

543
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: that sort of one thing to pay attention to Span,

544
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Speaker 1: I do think is just his best chance of winning

545
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: is is trying to move downhill on a guy trying

546
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Speaker 1: to corral him, which just creates for better action. I mean, yes,

547
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Speaker 1: I certainly see a case where a more considered approach

548
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: would lead to a decision in this one. But you know,

549
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: I had to pick one that you didn't, and so

550
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Speaker 1: in that case, give me Smith versus Span not going

551
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Speaker 1: the distance.

552
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Speaker 2: All right, So I got a chair for Span to

553
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: have the offensive wrestling success of a home invader. So

554
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: this becomes a stalemate, Luke, that goes the distance. Here,

555
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: I'm cheering outright for Anthony Smith, just so you know, Okay,

556
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 2: I'm cheering outright for a guy that I've read.

557
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you're saying that you're cheering out I don't

558
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: know if you're actually cheering out right.

559
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: I am cheering for Factory Town MMA's finest, Anthony Smith.

560
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Speaker 2: Thank you, ko or sub Luke. I'm gonna go back

561
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 2: to Connecticut here. I feel this is a safer way

562
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Speaker 2: to play this park. Reporter on the tour of Tafa

563
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: against Justin Tafa. I don't know who's gonna land the

564
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: big one, Luke, the odds might favor Tafa in that regard.

565
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 2: Let me see what are the odds on the official

566
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Speaker 2: odds on this fight. Tafa a minus one fifty favorite

567
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Speaker 2: plus one twenty five for Park reporter. Somebody's gonna get

568
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: Ko in a heavyweight fight, including one or two fat

569
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: guys with Yeah, this is the odds right, I'm gonna

570
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: go under on this the ko.

571
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Speaker 1: I don't have a great pick on this one because

572
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Speaker 1: of all the ways we had to kind of work

573
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Speaker 1: around stuff because it's not a great card. There's a

574
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Speaker 1: lot of names on here that are, you know, barely

575
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: hanging on to a UFC contract at this point. So

576
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: give me Toshiomi, excuse me, Toshiomi. Kazama taking on Garrett Armfield.

577
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: This is a bantamweight contest. Kazama, sitting here at twenty

578
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: six years of age, has a fair amount of finishes

579
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: on his win. In fact, if you go through his

580
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: days in Pancraze, he lost his opening bout via decision.

581
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: After that, wins via stoppage, wins via stoppage wins via

582
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: stoppage and a lot of these ground and pound. He'll

583
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Speaker 1: hook arm lock, armlock, and it goes on and on

584
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: from there. BCE. Garrett Armfield joins us here at twenty

585
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Speaker 1: six years of age. He lost his opening UFC bout

586
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: to David Onama via arm triangle. But he has some

587
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 1: weird naked chokes up and down here as well. So

588
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: give me the fight in this particular case, give me

589
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: the Kazami versus Armfield about ending via sub could be

590
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: totally fucking off on this one. You actually might take

591
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: the lead with your picks here if I'm being candid

592
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: with you. But we are where we are.

593
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for being candid. So I'm re

594
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: wins back. But you do have three more ties than

595
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: I do, So I wonder I'm about three and a

596
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: half games back, right. I know I already showed you

597
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: my sat math skills. My point is, can I take

598
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: over the lead this week if you have a disastrous

599
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: out come? Yes I can, Luke. So I'm coming I

600
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: think you hear me knocking, Luke, I think I'm coming in.

601
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 2: I got hippies and weirdos, and I got a hopefully

602
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: a jam band show. Or something awesome there. Okay, can't wait.

603
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to take enough edibles to overdose. I want

604
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Speaker 1: to be clear about that.

605
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: And speaking of jam bands and edibles, A happy and

606
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: amazing fifty ninth birthday forever Young to MK superfan O'tell Burbridge,

607
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: Luke of Dead and Company fame, who's out with? Is

608
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: o'tell and Friends tour right now? Getting rave reviews and

609
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: has a new record coming out? Luke of Jerry Garcia,

610
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: Robert Hunter, Dead Era collection covers hashtag let o'tel sing?

611
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: By the way, does a beautiful China doll just makes

612
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: me want to tear up? But shout out to otel.

613
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,239
Speaker 2: We got nothing but good news today, Luke. Okay, it's

614
00:28:59,280 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: a good news program.

615
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see Pantera in two weeks. How about that?

616
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: All right? Is it where? What location? DC?

617
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: Uh? Well, it's they say Washington, d C. Motherfucker, it ain't.

618
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: It's way out in Virginia. It's a place called Jiffy

619
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Speaker 1: Lube Pavilion.

620
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: Oh that sounds so redneck.

621
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super fucking redneck. It's the most redneck place

622
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: on earth anyway. But you know, I did the number

623
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: where like it's one of these places where if you

624
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: don't leave your concert early, you're gonna be stuck in

625
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: traffic trying to get out forever. Yea, So I paid

626
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: more for parking passes than I did for tickets, and

627
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Speaker 1: I bought good tickets, all right, I get it.

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Speaker 2: Strategic, I get why, But that's a little bit old man,

629
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna scam the system. I'm gonna I mean.

630
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Speaker 1: Dude, my wife, my wife, obviously we just went on vacation,

631
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know, I don't understand people who

632
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: stand up when the plane lands. And I'm like, right,

633
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: you don't understand that. I grew up in an insanely

634
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: chaotic environment and it has fucked up my brain to

635
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: the point where I get anxiety. If I don't stand up,

636
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: I get anxiety if I don't crowd the gate before

637
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: we born. I'm trying to that's true, like anxiety.

638
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: That one time, one of my biggest pep pews of

639
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: you is when we were on that same flight that

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Speaker 2: time and they announced we will be boarding shortly, which

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Speaker 2: to me means, oh, I got twenty five minutes to

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Speaker 2: go to the bathroom, get more food, like whatever. And

643
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: you're like, you see they just called it. We gotta get

644
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: it right now, we gotta get a line, we gotta go.

645
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Speaker 2: I'm just like, don't be that guy.

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00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm that guy, and I don't. And I want

647
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Speaker 1: to be clear, like I'm not saying it's the best approach.

648
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I can't quiet the people who are

649
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Speaker 1: telling me the world's gonna end if I don't do

650
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Speaker 1: those things. So you see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Look, we are all in this together, and we are

652
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Speaker 2: here for you and we love you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't don't. Don't do the things my parents did,

654
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Speaker 1: because then you end up with me? Is really the

655
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Speaker 1: answer here.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Rob Thomas, Luke. I would

657
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:48,479
Speaker 2: never push him.

658
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: They did some good things. But I've got so much anxiety,

659
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Speaker 1: bro that I have to pay a shitload of money

660
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: for a parking pass so I can get out on time.

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Speaker 1: That really what it is? What it is?

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Speaker 2: Are you an instant chain the channel? If that song

663
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: uh that Rob Thomas did with Santana comes on, that

664
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Speaker 2: cannot leave your brain once it once it infests it

665
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: because you're so smooth. You know that song, Luke, It's I.

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Speaker 1: Don't love it or hate it. I don't love it

667
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: or hate it. You know. What I don't like is

668
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: the other one he did. I like the guitar riff,

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00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: but I don't like the song. It's like reminds me

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00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: of a West Side still.

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00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah yeah, growing up.

672
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: In Spanish Harlem. Yeah, the riff is sick. That one.

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00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: That's cool, But like, I'm not a Santana guy.

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Speaker 2: Dude, Santana rules. I went back and bought the entire

675
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: seventies collection. Luke. There there's not a dud. Even the

676
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: bad ones are great, you know, I mean, I'm loving

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00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: I'm loving this anyway, Luke, no one can. You don't

678
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: care about that, you know.

679
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: And also our audience doesn't know who Santana is. Let's

680
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: be clear about that.

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00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, uh okay, bet in the books.

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00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: But before we get into our five topics this week, Luke,

683
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: we got some trend tremendous excuse me, bonus content available

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Speaker 2: at YouTube dot com Lash Morning Combat not just my

685
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: chat with Junior Dos Santos talking Francis aganu Usada, old balls,

686
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff ahead of his Bare Knuckle September

687
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: eighth rematch with Fabricio over Doom Look you had a

688
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: hell of a sit down with Cheeto Vera before we

689
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: throw to the clip to tease it. How was it? Wow?

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Speaker 1: I mean uncle Gringo as.

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Speaker 3: Not like.

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00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, car card, yeah, all that stuff. Look how

693
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: good was it? How was it? Tell me?

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00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: Please? Chito was great. He had just shaved, so he

695
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: was like in a good mood, you know. And we

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00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: talked tattoos. I don't know, folks been paying attention. We

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00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: didn't talk a whole lot about it, but there was

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Speaker 1: a political assassination in Ecuador, and for folks who aren't like,

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00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: like attuned to it, dude, Ecuador's experiencing violence like Columbia

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00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: did in the nineties. Like it's it's really, really, really bad.

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Speaker 1: So we talked about that because he was making a

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Speaker 1: point like I'm here in the States, but like my

703
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: mom my, dad, my everyone, they're all still back in Ecuador.

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Speaker 1: It's a really, really, really bad time in Equador. But

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Speaker 1: beyond that, you know, it's I love talking to Chino

706
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Speaker 1: because he already fought Sean O'Malley and he fought other

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Speaker 1: like really decorated punchers like John Lineker, and we kind

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Speaker 1: of know the differences between O'Malley and Lineker, But I

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00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: got him to explain, like, when you're up against a

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Speaker 1: guy like O'Malley who does have good power, but it's

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Speaker 1: different kind of power than a guy like Lineker, how

712
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Speaker 1: do you explain how you navigated that? What are the differences?

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Speaker 1: And he went into all of that plus BC to

714
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Speaker 1: set this all up, we played a game of rate

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Speaker 1: that tat hell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see this shit, Mikey.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna show you some tattoos and you just give

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Speaker 1: us your honest opinion. I'm like you, I'm a bold

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Speaker 1: will hold kind of guy, you know what I mean? Like,

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Speaker 1: I like American traditional, I like Japanese tattooing. But we're

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Speaker 1: gonna show you some UFC fighters tattoos. You just give

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Speaker 1: me the cheeto vera opinion. How's that sound?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Here we go? All right, let me pull up my

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Speaker 1: list here, we're gonna get going. First, one up, we've

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Speaker 1: got Alan Belcher. Let's throw this one up there. What

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Speaker 1: do you think of this one? Cheeto?

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Speaker 2: That one's a really shitty to two. That's a zero

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00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: over ten?

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Speaker 1: All right, very good. Next is Darren Elkins the damage

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Speaker 1: on the chest there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's joining my man Belacher right there. That I

733
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Speaker 4: mean he's fighting the style, he's car teaching his face

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Speaker 4: and he went with the with the with those metal

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Speaker 4: that that's bad.

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 1: It's not my favorite either. Okay, a couple more of these.

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Speaker 1: Austin Vanderferd, he fights in Belatour. What about? What do

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Speaker 1: you think about the throat tat there?

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Speaker 4: The eyeball, Yeah, that's that's really Cody Garden right there.

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Speaker 4: I mean Cody pulled it up first. So yeah, you

742
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Speaker 4: don't want to be sick on those type. But it's

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Speaker 4: well done that it's a better looking traditional one.

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Speaker 1: Not Yeah, I agree. I think it's a well done tattoo.

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Speaker 1: I just wouldn't want it, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: Yet too much color maybe, I mean it says the

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Speaker 4: guy with a lot of color.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, no, dude, he didn't hesitate to earin Okay

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Speaker 2: his peers, Luke, not.

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Speaker 1: Even a yeah no, I try to be like, you know,

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00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: a little bit like political about it, like well it's

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Speaker 1: not for me. I was like, oh that shit sucks, bro,

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Speaker 1: But God bless.

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Speaker 2: Him, I gotta get him on to have you seen

755
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 2: this shit one day, Luke, because he would be brilliant.

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00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: He was just like, yeah, that does a shitty tattoo

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00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 2: is zero of ten? Yes, great, thank you very much.

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00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, people can check that out Morning Combat

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00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: or YouTube dot com s last Morning Combat. Very interested

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00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 2: in watching the full length available. Now, let's transition into

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Speaker 2: our five topics, and Luke, we let's let's let's be honest.

762
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Speaker 2: We were supposed to preview the PFL playoffs on Wednesday

763
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Speaker 2: and we kind of ran out of time and didn't

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Speaker 2: get to it. It was a card worthy of mention

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Speaker 2: and the way it played out in the theater in

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Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden for a few of the marquee fights, Uh,

767
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: this was worth your time. This was a great story

768
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: coming out of the main event, but maybe an even

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00:35:55,080 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: better fight the lightweight semi finals Matt Shane Burgos against

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Speaker 2: Clay Collared and Luke, there were a lot of storylines

771
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Speaker 2: coming in because of the controversial, slash questionable way that

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Speaker 2: Burgos even made the playoffs from the Natan Schultz situation.

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Speaker 2: Then they were left around and put on a three

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Speaker 2: round classic. First and foremost, straight up, Luke, is this

775
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: the best fight in smart cage history?

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Speaker 1: I think that it is, and I think that it

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Speaker 1: is by a considerable margin. This is to me the

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00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: best fight in PFL history. Now, I've not seen every

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00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: fight in PFO history, but for a lot of the

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Speaker 1: folks who have there they're also saying this as well.

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00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: And if you guys missed it near an ESPN Plus subscriber,

782
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: you can just go get it on the platform there

783
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: and you can rewatch it. It was absolutely fantastic. It

784
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: was a shame that it was only three rounds. I

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00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: wish it could have been five and BCA, I really

786
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: want to say something about this. First of all, Collared,

787
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: you can tell how much work he's done in boxing

788
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: and how much it has changed his game. The body work,

789
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: the rib roasting from him you can see here in

790
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: some of these highlights, truly exceptional, really really good stuff.

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00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: It gave Burgos problems and that left hook, I mean

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00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: sat him down, by the way. It was a cafkick

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Speaker 1: right before that left hook that it actually knocked Collared

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Speaker 1: off of his feet.

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Speaker 2: So it was for tip for assaulted. Assaulted the inside

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Speaker 2: of the left leg there of Collared to like maybe

797
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna be limping when you're sixty levels Like he

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00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: beat the shit out of it.

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Speaker 1: He beat the shit of him, But I really want

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Speaker 1: to say something about this fight like it was there.

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00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: There's been some great finishes that obviously this fight didn't

802
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: have when it went to a decision, So you know,

803
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: you might have a different fight or a different fighter

804
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: in PFL that as a fan you care about if

805
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: you're watching out there. Fair enough, But what I think

806
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: really stood out to me, b seeing I'm being serious

807
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: about this a lot of times when the POFLE puts

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00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: on a show, because they have not really sort of created,

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00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: i think, a dynamic fan base yet for themselves. I think,

810
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, signing Jake Paul and signing a bit of

811
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: the female boxers that they've signed, and signing Francis I

812
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: think will potentially move the needle in the other direction.

813
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: Conversation for a different time. But what they did really

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00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: well this time was they had a crowd decidedly behind

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Speaker 1: Shane Burgos at least one of the fighters in the cage.

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00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: And when you watch this fight, it wasn't just that

817
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 1: the guys were back and forth, which where they were

818
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: it was great, super great, But on top of it, dude,

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Speaker 1: the crowd was really into it. They were at the

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Speaker 1: theater at Madison Square, Garden, I believe, Oh my god, man,

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of PFL crowd make a fight better

822
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Speaker 1: in the way that this crowd did. You know, a

823
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: lot of times we talk about like the pandemic fights

824
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: and you know how much you missed the crowd and

825
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: the crowd roars when there's action. But it was more

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Speaker 1: than that, dude. They were a part of this fight

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Speaker 1: in a way that you just don't typically get from

828
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Speaker 1: the PFL experience. Both guys not even trying to go

829
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: for takedowns. Everyone did their part. It was and you know,

830
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: the matchmaking here. This was the fight that Shane Burgos

831
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: was not supposed to be in. It was supposed to

832
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: be the Natan Schultz fight where he was able to

833
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: go ahead and the whole thing we discussed that previously,

834
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Speaker 1: the right guy won in the sense that the person

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Speaker 1: who had meaningfully won the whole way through and correctly

836
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: one ends up getting their hand raised. But nevertheless, the

837
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: matchmaking here worked out well for them. I think we

838
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: can say that the crowd did their part. Everything about

839
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: this just worked. More of this PFL.

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Speaker 2: Please, yes, I want to stay on that. So just

841
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: for the record, Clay Collard wins a gotta be surprising

842
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: unanimous decision twenty nine to twenty eight, and all three

843
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: cards will get to him in a minute because his

844
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: story has been incredible. But Luke, I've kind of outright

845
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 2: took a big doogie in the middle of the Smart

846
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: cage like the last four episodes, and I do think

847
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: rightfully so with everything from the show controversy to the

848
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: fact that, like everything positive about PFL, this year has

849
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: been about building toward next year, which is putting a

850
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: target on them and a lot of pressure and see

851
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: if they can deliver. But I thought this year suffered

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00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: with all the USADA incidents and all that, or the

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Speaker 2: drug popping instance that led to them seeking out Usada,

854
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: But not only did this fight deliver. I really I

855
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: focus much longer on this broadcast than I normally do.

856
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed the broadcast. An Hardy into their friend

857
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: of the program. We loved him on our London Live

858
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 2: show earlier this year. I thought he was tremendous, especially

859
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: I like him as an interviewer there. But I think,

860
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: you know, I've always loved Randy Catoure and the packages

861
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: that they showed, along with the use of both Brett

862
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: Akamoto and Ian Parker, the betting expert. I thought there

863
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: were very smart usages of them. It was a very

864
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 2: strong broadcast. Maybe it had helped that the fights turned

865
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: out to be very good. But Luke, now this brings

866
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: back in Clay Collar that feature that they showed before

867
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: the main event. So I didn't realize Collar, who like

868
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: his story is just so incredible already of going from

869
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 2: journeymen to like somebody who's not going to be fighting

870
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: for a million dollars and floating between two sports and

871
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: being the really the top ranked star of the boxing

872
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 2: you know covid bubble. They showed that he had already

873
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: lost a brother and then his hero, his best friend

874
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: in the world. His older brother just just died in

875
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: a drowning and it was Clay who rescued him, but

876
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: rescued him too late. I mean, you know, that's gut wrenching.

877
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: But as Clay's wife talked about, all that did was

878
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: lead Clay directly back to the gym with a focus

879
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 2: that she had never seen before. And to see Clay

880
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: Collard essentially kind of square up and just go into

881
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: the phone booth against a decorated UFC Action star and

882
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: pull off another one and now he's on the verge

883
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 2: of fighting for one million dollars. That's an incredible story

884
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: and I really thought the PFL told it perfectly. Where look,

885
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: it has been the best year for them, but they're

886
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: rallying here in the playoffs. This was a good ass card, Luke.

887
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: This Clay College story, I don't think we can overplay it.

888
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 2: This is absolutely incredible what he's done over the past

889
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: three years.

890
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: It's one of the best stories in combat sports. He's

891
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: not you know, in boxing, we talk about those guys

892
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: who are called professional opponents, right, another name for them

893
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: might be journeymen, but they're professional opponents. It's guys who

894
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: get brought in who dude, they're not terrible fighters, professional opponents, right,

895
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: They're not completely awful, But what they are is designed

896
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: to be just a test for somebody who is really good,

897
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: for someone who, like the promoters believe, does have a

898
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: bright future. And Clay Collard was brought in I think

899
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: many times as a professional opponent, but dude, he didn't

900
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: get the message. He's a professional spoiler, that's what he is.

901
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: He's the guy that shows up and beats the hometown guy.

902
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: He's the guy that shows up and beats the promoter's

903
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: favored son. He's the guy that shows up and ruins

904
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: all the plans and does it in two sports. You

905
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: just can't believe it his story. I like that, You're

906
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: I completely agree. You know, we take dumps on every

907
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: promotion when they deserve it or when we think that

908
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: it's merited, but we also need to give them praise

909
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: when it's warranted. I thought the PFL knocked this one

910
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: out the park. I completely agree. They really told that

911
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: story very well. And Clay Collard is such a perfect

912
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: guy for the PFL, for these like last chance redemption stories,

913
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: for these guys that were never gonna be promotional darlings

914
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: and they just turn themselves into one. That's what he's become.

915
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: Like if I was the p listen oam won on

916
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: the other side of the bracket, and he looks like

917
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: he's the best version of himself. You know, Clay Collins

918
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: got a tough ass fight. Shane Burgos was stylistically favorable

919
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: because he wasn't gonna go for a takedown and he

920
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: was counter punching and wasn't as active at least not

921
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: until the third round of this contest. That really set

922
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: up college chances for winning. But but Oam is going

923
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: to be a different story, so I don't really know

924
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: if he's gonna win that kind of a contest. I

925
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: guess we'll see when they fight, by the way here

926
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. For the championships in a few months.

927
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: But the point I just wanted to make was, this

928
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: guy's story is one of the best ones, not just

929
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: at MMA, in all of combat sports. You gotta love

930
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: what he's done for himself, really really commendable, and PFL

931
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: featuring him in the way that they have it just works.

932
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: It just he just keeps winning too, and that helps.

933
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: But I didn't even know about the whole tragedy on

934
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: that side of it. So look, he'd beat legitimate prospects

935
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: in that in that pandemic run a top rank to

936
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: where there were people that were wanting to vote him

937
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 2: for like most Improved Fighter of the Year, come Back

938
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: the Year or whatever, or Newcomer the Year, whatever, prospect

939
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: of the year, like he was getting recognition in that area.

940
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: But since returning to MMA full time in twenty twenty

941
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 2: one with PFL, he's six and two overall and he's

942
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 2: beaten Anthony Pettis Jeremy Stevens, Stevie Ray and now Shane Burgos.

943
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 2: Like the two losses were both decisions won by split decision,

944
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: and one of them to how Schman Fio, who's established

945
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: in PFL. This is incredible, It's really incredible. And look

946
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: like he did square up and was there to be hit.

947
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: He made this a brawl and Burgos was willing to

948
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: be in there with him and like I said, was

949
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 2: violently chopping up the leg. But there's something to be

950
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: said not just about the character and toughness of Collared.

951
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: His boxing experience is translating so well to the to

952
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: the to the PFL, because yeah, he needs people willing

953
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: to stand in front of him, but the accuracy in

954
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 2: the power is making a major difference in this.

955
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: Case, not just that. Do you see him do you

956
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: see him rolling under hooks as well to get out

957
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: of the way. Now again, by the time the third

958
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: round came on, Burgos was putting it on him. So

959
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: if that fight had gone five rounds, who knows. But

960
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: for the first ten minutes, make no mistake about it,

961
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: he outstruck Shane Burgos cleanly, cleanly.

962
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: I want to talk about Oam in a second, but

963
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: let's talk about Burgos here, Luke. There's a trend going

964
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: on right now in Burgos, by the way, wasn't the

965
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: late end of his career washed up? Let's stop at

966
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: PFL in the way home. This was considered a not

967
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: in his prime, but a strong pickup as a free

968
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: agent signing. And I don't know if you recall, but

969
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: Dana White sort of blamed his team for not signing

970
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: Burgos when they had a chance. But what has PFL

971
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: become for UFC vets? A place where we think they're

972
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: just gonna arrive and be a threat for the million

973
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: dollars and beat up on second tier guys. But whether

974
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: it's Pettis, Stevens, you know, Rory McDonald, insert name, Luke,

975
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 2: they are not having big success in the smart age.

976
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: Something has to be said, obviously about the seasonal format

977
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: and the mental and physical grind that these guys go on.

978
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: Yet here we have Shane Burgo who's only one win,

979
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: two defeats in three PFL fights. Now, Luke, are we

980
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: not talking enough that he was a featherweight stud in

981
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 2: the UFC and these are lightweight bouts. What would you

982
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 2: say about the PFL free agent experience? For Shane Burgos overall.

983
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: Well in this particular fight, again, I think if it

984
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: had been five rounds, I would have served him better.

985
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: It was the main event, but it wasn't five rounds

986
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: like it would have been UFC. I think that's part

987
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: of it, that that that here's certain guys are going

988
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: to be tournament guys, right, Certain guys are going to

989
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: be like I can turn around quickly. My game doesn't

990
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: change much when I'm only doing three rounds or I

991
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: don't have elbows or whatever. Certain guys games are gonna

992
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: adapt better through that process. I think Burgos, you know,

993
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: he's follow out three roundabouts before obviously, but in a

994
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: contest like this, he would have been better served than five.

995
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. You know, I go

996
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: back to this one. It's like did he miss calculate?

997
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: Did he miss calculate? Well, on some level, yes, right,

998
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: on some level he did, Otherwise he wouldn't be one

999
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: and two. Like when he announced that he was going

1000
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: to make the move to PFL, did any of us

1001
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: think that that was a bad idea?

1002
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 5: No?

1003
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: Like, no, we didn't. So, I mean, hindsight's twenty twenty. Now,

1004
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: I would just say this the thing about tournaments where

1005
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, you like, why is OAM doing really well

1006
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: versus not? Oam's game has gotten really complete, right. He

1007
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: knocked this guy down with his hands. The last opponent

1008
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: he fought, I forget the guy's name, the one on Wednesday.

1009
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: He knocked him down with his hands and then finished

1010
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: him off on the ground. He was always kind of

1011
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: a ground operator and didn't necessarily have the skills on

1012
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: the feet. Well now he does. So He's in a

1013
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: much more completed, well rounded stage, which means no matter

1014
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: the kind of opponent, no matter the kind of notice,

1015
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: he can play the levels however he needs to. That's

1016
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: really not what Shane Burgos has. Shane Burgos might benefit more.

1017
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: It turns out from a matchmaker model where they can

1018
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: be like, okay, who would he go well against? And

1019
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: it worked well here where they put him against Clay

1020
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: in terms of the action, And again if it had

1021
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: been five rounds, I think you byby would have won.

1022
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: But you see what I'm getting at, Like, if you're

1023
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: a really kind of if you're an action fighter that

1024
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: the promoter likes, but you've never really been in that

1025
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: title contendership, you have to kind of ask yourself. Does

1026
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: the tournament model work best for me? And I know

1027
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: what they say, Oh I can beat that guy, can

1028
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: beat that guy? Right? Can you beat that guy under

1029
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: those circumstances where you're fighting every two months, where you're

1030
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: fighting only in three rounds, where you're fighting without elbows,

1031
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: And I think that that deserves much more consideration than

1032
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: it used to it. It's a similar debate to Mebc's.

1033
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: You don't have it as much anymore because it's just

1034
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: not really as relevant. But it used to be really

1035
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: relevant in the two thousands how guys games would translate

1036
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: from the ring to the cage or vice versa, because

1037
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: it would really make a huge difference for the guys

1038
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: from Team Quest who are all wrestlers, and how that

1039
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: would change the dynamic about whether or not they had

1040
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: the cage to really work their game against. It's a

1041
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: similar kind of thing. It's not so much the opponent,

1042
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: although yes, that is true, it's the circumstances under which

1043
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: you are fighting. Is your game situated for that? And

1044
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: I think it turns out that Burgo obviously quite talented,

1045
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: but I don't know that this kind of style works

1046
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: out best for him.

1047
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: And if you've been an established UFC fighter, which Burgos

1048
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: has been, and you're on a specific schedule, it can't

1049
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: be easy to go back into the fire of fighting

1050
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 2: in a microwave in short turnarounds. This is not UFC

1051
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: one through ten or whatever where you're doing one night tournaments,

1052
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: but this is a much shorter turnaround. Same thing when

1053
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: beltoor used to have the tournament format, we used to

1054
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: hear the same thing. It's a different mental and physical preparation.

1055
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: And you have to believe, Luke, you are at the

1056
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: mercy of the results. You may win a first round fight,

1057
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: but it may create a nagging injury that your shit

1058
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: out of luck if that becomes a problem in your

1059
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 2: preparation or how you compete here. But also do you

1060
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 2: like him as a lightweight in this in this promotion?

1061
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: Why why is he not fighting it feather Do they

1062
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: not have a featherway tournament that would decide it? Right?

1063
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: Partly? Partly that I think partly Also you know, again,

1064
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: what kind of weight can you make if you have

1065
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: to fight consistently versus peaking and then going down. Then

1066
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: you have a fight like six months later and then

1067
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: you peak and you go down, Like there's a question

1068
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 1: of how fast he can get his body ready for

1069
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: that weight class. I would say that, you know, I

1070
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: tend to think we get better results from him at

1071
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: one forty five than we do at one fifty five

1072
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: in general. So that's not to say he couldn't do

1073
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: it at one fifty five. It's just, you know, yeah,

1074
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: I just think one is gonna be better for him.

1075
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: I just want to ask you quickly before I talk

1076
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: about OAM. Is this a Is this becoming a negative

1077
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 2: for pfl's free agent shopping if fighters might not love

1078
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: this short season format. I know they have a pay

1079
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 2: per view division and a lot of the big names

1080
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: are going there, but is this a turnoff to potential

1081
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: guys in the midst of their prime who might be

1082
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: looking to exercise the free agent window strategically.

1083
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: I'll just say this, I don't think the tournament is

1084
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: really the pfl's future, not like the way they've been

1085
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: doing it, where it's just everything that they do and

1086
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 1: everything is built around it. We talked about this before

1087
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: ad nauseum. I won't belabor the point, but it's the

1088
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: same problem in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen that Youren Reveney

1089
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: ran into when he was doing this exact same model.

1090
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: If you really want to be in the pay per

1091
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: view business, if you really want stars, the matchmaker model

1092
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: has plenty of problems, but it is better than the

1093
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: other ones, even for how much it sucks and how

1094
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: much it can be unfavored. I think if you really

1095
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: want to recruit talent, you want to keep them there,

1096
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: and you want to build stars, you have to pare

1097
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: back at to a bare minimum. You have to pare

1098
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: back the tournament model and go matchmaker model, and I

1099
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: think they will.

1100
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 2: I think you're right quickly here on oam. We got

1101
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 2: to give him his flowers.

1102
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 3: Here.

1103
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: It was a second round knockout of Bruno Miranda TKO

1104
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 2: excuse me. He dropped Miranda and he really took his

1105
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: time on the ground, ended up in full mount and

1106
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: was able to produce a stoppage. The defending PFL lightweight

1107
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: champion is now nine to zero since coming to PFL

1108
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: and joining the Smart Cage back in twenty twenty one,

1109
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: and that was after taking two years off when as

1110
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 2: UFC career ended with three straight defeats. This has been

1111
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: an incredible turnaround for him, Luke, he should be rightfully,

1112
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: I believe the betting fit favorite here against Clay Collared.

1113
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: The names on his win streak of going nine to

1114
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: zero here do include Burgos already, Stevie Ray, house Man, Fio,

1115
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: Natan Schult, Marchen Held, Darryl Horcher. Shout out to Darryl

1116
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: Horcher for being one of the most savage victims in

1117
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: Habib's run. Look, this is really really good. He should

1118
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: be the favorite to defend his title here. And what

1119
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 2: another another physical breakthrough performance for Aim.

1120
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was a guy I think the

1121
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: UFC let go too earlier. I'm not sure how he

1122
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: ended up parting ways and then signing with PFL in

1123
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: terms of whether it was acrimony or whatever. But this

1124
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 1: is what I mean. This guy has a complete game

1125
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: and very very experienced now as well. Right, that's the

1126
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: other part too. Knows how to manage around, knows how

1127
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 1: to manage risk, knows how to beat guys no matter

1128
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 1: what they're kind of doing for him, and is really

1129
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: quite gifted kind of everywhere. That's that guy is going

1130
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: to be tough to beat, you know, knows how to train,

1131
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: knows how to fight, knows how to work around, knows

1132
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: how to make everything count in the right way, I

1133
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: just you know, Clay collared story is incredible, but the

1134
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: OAM story is really one that like what kind of

1135
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: guy works in this model. It's the kind of guy

1136
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 1: who was not quite at his peak but then really

1137
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: rounded out to this more complete game. Has all the

1138
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: experience everything I just mentioned, bringing all of that to

1139
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: bear in a tournament like this, and by the way,

1140
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: physically strong for the weight class as well. He's a

1141
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 1: tough tough out. This has been nothing but a blessing

1142
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: for him and he's earned every bit of it, all.

1143
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: Right, So in the lightweight final it'll be Collared versus Oam.

1144
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: And in the welterweight division, defending champion Sadabuci got a

1145
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: split decision win over Carlos lay Out and he'll be

1146
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 2: taking on former twenty eighteen PFL champion Magomed Magomed Karamov,

1147
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: who advanced by division. So we got some more finality

1148
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: here ahead again ahead of the DC final. But Luke,

1149
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: do you have any type of update, because it has

1150
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: been quiet to the rumor that continues to die and

1151
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 2: rebirth that Bellator could end up in the hands of PFL.

1152
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 2: What do you know.

1153
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't have a small I don't have a big one.

1154
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: I have a really small one. But I was talking

1155
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: to some folks about this yesterday. It's still in my

1156
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: understanding is it's still the PFL as the clubhouse leader

1157
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: for this. My understanding is, and again no one from

1158
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: Paramount told me this, but Paramount is still wanting to

1159
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: make the sale of Belator happen as soon as possible.

1160
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: The only thing that's kind of interesting is apparently the

1161
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: idea of keeping the brand separate has picked up some steam,

1162
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: that that's something that they're very seriously considering, which I

1163
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: think would be just a monster mistake and I don't

1164
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: think that that would last at all. But the minor

1165
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: update is PFL still your clubhouse leader to buy. Paramount

1166
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: wants to make it happen, and that the brand separation

1167
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: apparently has a lot more legs than it once did,

1168
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: which I think is a mistake. But I guess we'll

1169
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: see what happens in the end.

1170
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go. I agree with you.

1171
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: If you're gonna do it, you gotta do it for

1172
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 2: the names. Do it for the depth of the roster

1173
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: and the names. And it wouldn't be nothing if they

1174
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 2: did that. That's a big move that's a big ass move.

1175
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 2: Look quickly here on topic number two, we got championship

1176
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 2: boxing this weekend when three bell unbe and unified heavyweight

1177
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: king Alexander Usak who Tyson Fury is busy with Innghanu,

1178
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: busy with his reality series and not going after the

1179
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: most important fight in boxing. To be very honest with

1180
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 2: you in terms of what that would mean, uh Usik's

1181
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: gonna defend against mandatory Daniel Dubois six foot five, not small.

1182
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: We've seen Dubois before. We can go to the face

1183
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 2: off early this morning in Poland after both wide in

1184
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: and there you see.

1185
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: Looking like Donald Trump at two twenty. You know what

1186
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1187
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 2: You have thirteen pounds weight advantage for Dubois two inch

1188
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: height advantage. Luke Usik's manager in the middle. When he

1189
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: puts on the shades, that's my doppelganger, right, Look at that.

1190
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: He's got a fatter face. But yes it's not.

1191
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: It's pretty close. I mean, can we go, Mike? Can

1192
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: we split screen this at all? Mikey? Can we do it?

1193
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 2: Do we have that technology?

1194
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: I don't think we have that technology right at the ready.

1195
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 2: I think I just turned into Usik's manager, right, I

1196
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 2: would take some time, all right, you got you got

1197
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: the joke, hey, Luke. So here's the thing on Dubois.

1198
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: He's been considered, you know, a future problem for a while.

1199
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 2: He's been very good at times, but he really only

1200
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: has one name on his resume, and that's Joe Joyce.

1201
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: And he did get stopped late and got his you know,

1202
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: orbital brown like dangerously broken. You have been skeptical of this.

1203
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 2: So am I gonna ask you this question? Are you

1204
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 2: gonna ask me, Luke?

1205
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask you. Let me ask you if

1206
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: I may, let me, let me let me flip the

1207
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: script if I can, because we were talking about this

1208
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: fight and previewing it. And so here's the challenge I

1209
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: want to give you BC. Right. I know you're hosting today,

1210
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: but I'll do this part, which is, give me a

1211
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: reason to care about this fight Alexander Usik versus Eila

1212
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: Dubois that has nothing to do with what fight is

1213
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: set up for the winner.

1214
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I get that. I get that. So

1215
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 2: here's what I gotta say, Like, obviously this should be

1216
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 2: Fury versus Usick without question, or Usk against you know,

1217
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: Deontay Wilder or whatever, right, Like, what's the biggest fight available.

1218
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 2: It's a mandatory, so it's sort of a must do

1219
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: for a mandatory. This is a great opponent and Dubois, now,

1220
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 2: I just shared legitimate questions, and I think those questions

1221
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 2: are real. He's destroyed third tier be mine, you know,

1222
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 2: B minus heavyweights in the third tier variety. I don't

1223
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 2: dog him for the Joe Joyce loss under any circumstance.

1224
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: Those were two unbeaten rising fighters, uh in Joe Joyce.

1225
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: Since then, although he did get upset by by by

1226
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 2: Jean Jean Jules and they're gonna have the big rematch

1227
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 2: coming up, He's looked great at certain times since then.

1228
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: Joe Joyce is a puncher. They got into a big fight,

1229
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: Dubai lost it. It's fine that happens, but Dubois not

1230
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: on his level. But with this said, Luke du bois

1231
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: like the best mandatory you can have, Like, there is

1232
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: a lot there and will it be enough to challenge

1233
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: you sick? No, What I'm probably gonna tell you is

1234
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: more of the idea of him staying busy and setting

1235
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: up that that eventual USIK fight. But the answer to

1236
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: your question is this compared to the option of having

1237
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 2: Usik sid idol, You've got a chance to watch one

1238
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: of the ten best pomper pound fighters in the game today,

1239
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 2: Alexander Usik, who is in the midst of authoring one

1240
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: of the best all time resumes in legacies that we've

1241
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 2: ever seen a boxing history, from gold medalist in the

1242
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: Olympics to a first four belt undisputed cruiseweight champion after

1243
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 2: cleaning out that division, to now on the verge of

1244
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: upsetting his way to that same feed at heavyweight. We're

1245
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: only gonna get him, Luke, he's split thirty six, thirty seven,

1246
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: We're only gonna get him a handful of more times, right,

1247
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: seeing him operate against at least somebody with a pulse

1248
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: and the threat of more. It's not like it's not

1249
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 2: worth your time. But is it groundbreaking and boxing is?

1250
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: It's super hype behind it. No, it's in Poland. It's

1251
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: gonna be on ESPN plus. I think the main event

1252
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: start as expected around the five pm Eastern time. It's

1253
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: gonna be a one fight card. There'll be a triple

1254
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: header at night with Jared Big Baby Anderson in the

1255
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 2: main event. But I echo your wampwamp sounding statement, but

1256
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: I do think these odds are ridiculous minus one thousand

1257
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: for Usik to paus Big. He's got a Paul he

1258
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: can fight. Should he be a problem in the end, No,

1259
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: If Usik ends up stopping him and ultimately outclassing him,

1260
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna tell you that Lusik still got it

1261
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: at the top level and we need to have this

1262
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: feary fight happen, right frickin' now.

1263
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing for me, right, tell me

1264
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: what I'm missing. The one really good guy he fought

1265
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: in Joyce broke his fucking face. Yeah, Like, it's not

1266
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: that I disagree that he had he has potential or

1267
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: that there's still time for him to turn the corner.

1268
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: It's just like and in his last fight too, I mean,

1269
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: I guess there were some knee issues, but he got

1270
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: dropped like what three times or whatever it was. He

1271
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: came back and won against Lorena Learna. How are you? Yeah?

1272
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, it's not like he doesn't have potential,

1273
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: but like every time the potential is or I should say,

1274
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: the one time the potential had like a real chance

1275
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: to be actualized, he got worked. So it's like, what

1276
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 1: am I I mean? Here's the thing, right, twenty twenty

1277
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: three has been an amazing year for boxing, But it

1278
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: doesn't mean every boxing fight, even one with some consequences

1279
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: because there's some titles on the line here, it doesn't

1280
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: mean that we have to say it's also great, Like

1281
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: I don't think this one is also great. I just

1282
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: think it's a fight.

1283
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 2: Well, the reality of being a four belt champion is

1284
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: you're gonna have mandatories and there's gonna be a lot

1285
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 2: of the opponents who suck and we've never heard of them,

1286
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: and so I'm taking that as sort of a in

1287
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 2: a bad case scenario. This is a decent case. I

1288
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 2: got questions about Dubab will answer that on Saturday. Would

1289
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: if this was Wilder or Ruiz instead, if Usik was

1290
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: just looking for biggest name available, you'd be excited right rightfully.

1291
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: So if it was Wilder, I would definitely be excited,

1292
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: And even with the Ruiz, I would be excited, and

1293
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: not necessarily as much. But yes, yes, anything where you know,

1294
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: I felt like they were a real Uh. Well, it's

1295
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: not that I don't think Duba's of danger to Usik.

1296
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's enough of a danger to

1297
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: matter in the end. The other two guys I do

1298
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: think would be so yeah, I would care a lot more.

1299
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: And I do believe Prince Nasim Hahmed's son, I think

1300
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: it's pronounced Adam. His name is Aa d Am. He

1301
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: is making I believe, Yeah. I think he's making his

1302
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: pro debut on his own. So that is certainly something

1303
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 2: worth watching. And I mentioned in Tulsa they're gonna have

1304
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 2: that tripleheader. The undercar begins six to fifty pm Eastern

1305
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 2: on ESPN and the ESPN Plus. So Luke jared Big

1306
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: Baby Anderson is back here pretty quickly, and he had

1307
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 2: a big holes up fight last time, and there was

1308
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 2: certainly a lot to light. Now there's a late opponent

1309
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: switch and ended up being former champion Prince Charles Martin,

1310
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 2: and I think there was equal a lot to love

1311
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 2: and then still some unanswered questions. He'll be facing Andre

1312
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: Rudenko in this one, and I'm gonna be honest, I

1313
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: don't know a's aught about Rudenko, despite the fact that

1314
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: he's got a pretty clean record here, Luke, this is

1315
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 2: another step in that advancement, at least Big Baby staying busy.

1316
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: But after that fight and that performance against Martin, do

1317
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: you think Big Baby's close to really testing himself and

1318
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 2: really going to the title level.

1319
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: I think he'll wear out his welcome if he doesn't, right,

1320
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of hype for him. We've

1321
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: talked about, like is he in this for the long haul?

1322
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: Even he tells you he's not in this for the

1323
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: long haul. So how many of these Rudenko fights can

1324
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: you really get away with? Probably this one, maybe or

1325
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: two more total, But the clock's ticking, like people want

1326
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: to see this big, athletic American dude fight someone of No.

1327
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: Twoever that ends up being you're not gonna get that

1328
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: necessarily this weekend. But if he wins, I think the

1329
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: appetite for him ticking fights like this will wane, and

1330
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: the appetite for him to be in bigger fights will

1331
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: be enough that the one or two of those will

1332
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: get made as well.

1333
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 2: And that with that decision went over, Charles Martin unanimous

1334
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 2: decision snapped his unbeaten start of knockouts. He's now fifteen

1335
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 2: to zero with fourteen KOs just twenty three, six foot four, athletic, aggressive, powerful,

1336
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: fun to watch. We'll see what happens. Ridenko is thirty

1337
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: five and six, but uh, not a household name. There

1338
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 2: a couple other names in that undercard. Shoeshoe, Carrington's back.

1339
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 2: You always got to see him, so check that out.

1340
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 2: Let's go to topic number three here, Luke. Mike Tyson,

1341
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 2: he's going to train Francis and Gano. It's a real

1342
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: thing and they've they've made certain media rounds to make

1343
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 2: this public and it's they sell it. They've they've coincided

1344
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: with with ri Odd season and how big this fight

1345
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 2: will be in Saudi Arabia. Luke, And yeah, they're sports

1346
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 2: watching elements and we don't dodge that. It's also a

1347
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 2: lot of money over there and that's why these big

1348
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 2: fights are happening. But Mike Tyson has said a few

1349
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 2: things here. Do you want to set this up, Luke?

1350
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: So Mike Tyson was on the Jim Rome radio show

1351
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: previewing Fury versus in Ghanu, and he said something that

1352
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: really caught my attention in like the weirdest way. He

1353
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: said that Tyson, Fury, who mind you fought Deontay Wilder

1354
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: three times, has never faced a power puncher like in Ghanu.

1355
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: We have the audio, let's hear.

1356
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 5: It from what you've seen in your work with Francis,

1357
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 5: do you think that he can handle Fury's punching power.

1358
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely, because you know Kisan Fury, he got dropped by

1359
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 3: a small guy. Forgot his name, Covington, I forgot his name,

1360
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 3: that dropped early in his career. And listen, this guy punches.

1361
01:03:55,720 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 6: Like man, God knows who. Man, He's sad. He moved quickly.

1362
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 6: I worked with his speed. And listen, man, he only

1363
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 6: has to land one to two.

1364
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 5: Listen.

1365
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 6: If he's never tysan, never been in the ring with.

1366
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 2: A guy that could punch his heart, you don't think no.

1367
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 6: I think he just got punched harder than anybody ever

1368
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 6: be sport.

1369
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this, like you've got a profound

1370
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 5: appreciation for the tactical and the technical elements of the sport,

1371
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 5: going back to your time of watching film of the

1372
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 5: all time greats with Custom Model when you were young. Like, strategically,

1373
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 5: other than France is hitting him in the face, what

1374
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 5: does he need to do to win this fight?

1375
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 6: Oh, he just needs to go all out aggression, punch

1376
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 6: into the body, bringing it to the head. As he's

1377
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 6: been working with he's moving his head, he's getting it

1378
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 6: together and it's really determined to do this stuff. He

1379
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 6: really wants to do this with his country. His people

1380
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 6: have the whole patriotic pride. This is really interesting. I'm

1381
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 6: very ecstatic about doing this.

1382
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: Like they said before, shout out to the CBS Sports Network.

1383
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 2: There look a channel that you you know, we've been around, right,

1384
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: we put our flag down on that. So, Luke, here's

1385
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 2: the I'll get into the punching debate in a second,

1386
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 2: and it's a big one because, as you mentioned, Fury's

1387
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 2: been there and been knocked down four times in three

1388
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 2: fights against Deontay Wilder and took some giant, clean punches

1389
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,919
Speaker 2: from him. I want to ask you this first though.

1390
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 2: I just want to get this straight about Tyson because,

1391
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: like you know, for the record here, like I'm happy

1392
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 2: for Francis, he's getting the bag, it worked out. Like

1393
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 2: I'm cheering for team Francis to try to live his

1394
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 2: dreams and go for it. I don't like again that

1395
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 2: there's no title on the line here, even though this

1396
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 2: is kind of a carnival fight, but like it's not

1397
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 2: like Tyson. Mike Tyson has been you know, a dedicated

1398
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 2: trainer of late. I just want to make sure this

1399
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 2: isn't like all about the re odd season part of

1400
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 2: it and the big bag Mike can be getting, Like

1401
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 2: is he saying all these things and this into it

1402
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 2: as the trainer of Francis and Ghanu because he can

1403
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: really add value and he really believes in Ghanuh can win?

1404
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 2: Or does this feel like money grab slash Yayriodd Season.

1405
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if I believe the words coming out

1406
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 2: of Mike's mouth is what I'm saying, and that's obviously

1407
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 2: said with full love and respect for Francis, but we

1408
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 2: are talking about an uphill battle here. Well.

1409
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: Also, like, here's the part about Mike that I just

1410
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: can't be certain about. Does Mike remember that he fought Wilder?

1411
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: I mean, Mike was like, uh, his name was Covington.

1412
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: I can't remember. It's like ste mean, Steph Cunningham. That's

1413
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: his name, Steve Cunningham. And you know Mike is you know,

1414
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: did you go to my local dispenser you can buy

1415
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: Mike's products. Mike is usually high as a fucking kite

1416
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: these days, you know, And God blessed, I'm not, but

1417
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: I legitimately wonder when he did the radio show, did

1418
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: he realize he's fought Deontay Wilder three times, because I mean,

1419
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: the question is this really, this is what it comes

1420
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: down to. Right, of all the power punchers that Tyson

1421
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: Fury has faced, clearly, Deontay Wilder is number one. Deontay Wilder.

1422
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: I've said this before. It's not just powerful for this generation,

1423
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: he's historically powerful. He's probably top five of all heavyweights

1424
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: in terms of power punching. Now the other guys might

1425
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: be ahead of him, because I've said this before as well,

1426
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: they had a different array of punches that when they landed,

1427
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: they all did devastation. Where it's just it sort of

1428
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: seems like it's more linear punches, the straight right that

1429
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: does the damage for Wilder, but do when he lands it,

1430
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,919
Speaker 1: it's just it's curtains for you, it's armageddon. You can't

1431
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: do anything really about it. And so the question is like,

1432
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: is frances is a harder hitter than that? I mean,

1433
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: you see here's where I come down on this. You

1434
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: tell me what I'm missing. Is it possible that Francis

1435
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: is a harder hitter than Wilder? Yes, it is possible, right,

1436
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: But here's why I'm a little bit hesitant to just

1437
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: declare that. I know he's more than that we have

1438
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: seen guys go from MMA to boxing and the power

1439
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: just doesn't translate the same that There could be a

1440
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: lot of reasons for that. They're used to fighting at

1441
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: different ranges, they're used to different kind of cardiovascular output,

1442
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: They're used their punching mechanics typically aren't as good, right,

1443
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: Guys who have a refined ability to punch in general

1444
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: are going to punch harder than guys who don't, even

1445
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: if they're naturally less powerful. Mechanics mean a lot. So

1446
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: I want to be clear that, like you know, I'm

1447
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: not in any way saying that Francis is only a

1448
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: hard hitter in m A gloves. He could go out there,

1449
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: dude and lay one on Tyson and we actually discover,

1450
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: holy shit, Mike Tyson was right. He is the hardest

1451
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: puncher the teston Fury he has ever faced. But to date,

1452
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: I think you do need to have a little bit

1453
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: of hesitation one in respecting who Deontay Wilder is. Whatever

1454
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: you want to say about his boxing mechanics, they're better

1455
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: than Francis Anganu's and again, not just powerful for this generation,

1456
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: powerful historically, and I'm not going to say it's impossible,

1457
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: but until I've seen Francis in boxing gloves, yes, and

1458
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: what he can do. I think you got a side

1459
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: with Dantay Wilder in this case.

1460
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 2: It's not an easy transition. It's why Anderson Silva doing

1461
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 2: it and doing it cleanly, like in the Shaves fight,

1462
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 2: where the footwork was just there. And I know Silvia

1463
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: strained boxing and has had pro fights before, but he

1464
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 2: had the rare style. It was just perfect to change,

1465
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 2: don't It's the footwork. Also the goal for Fourance's gloves

1466
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 2: to the full one. I know they train in full

1467
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 2: boxing gloves, but that changes potentially the power impact. So

1468
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 2: here's the deal. I want to put respect back on

1469
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 2: Francis's name and say, like, is he on the short

1470
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: list of the people who we deem to arguably be

1471
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 2: the most powerful one shot strikers in the history of

1472
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 2: combat sports. Yeah? He might be, so yeah, this might

1473
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 2: be true. It might actually be true in the end

1474
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 2: that if you stood both Deontay Wilder and Francis in

1475
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 2: front of the punching machine that Evan Drago was working

1476
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 2: on in Rocky four with the Russian scientists right there,

1477
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 2: could he get to a higher number that equals decapitation

1478
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 2: as possible. I don't know, though, Like what I'm like,

1479
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 2: I think Mike's got the right idea, and I think

1480
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 2: we talked about this with Eric Knickstick in the past.

1481
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 2: Francis's chance of using that power and Francis's chances in

1482
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 2: general are early in a brawl, There's no question about that.

1483
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 2: So this is the right thing to do. I just

1484
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 2: think it's I thought it was interesting that Mike Tyson

1485
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 2: took this job though, because like Fury is his namesake,

1486
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 2: and that was always like a big part about you know,

1487
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 2: when Tyson Fury was born premature and had health complications

1488
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 2: and his dad was like, now my son will be

1489
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 2: the heavyweight champion of the world one day and I'll

1490
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 2: name him after Mike Tyson. And you know that was

1491
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 2: right around when Mike Tyson was on top in the

1492
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 2: late eighties. And uh not that that would be a

1493
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 2: disqualifier in Tyson doing this, But I don't know. I

1494
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 2: just question if Mike's there to promote the fight and

1495
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 2: play up in Ghano's chances, or if isn't God like,

1496
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 2: is this a real partnership. Isn't Ghanhu gonna develop the

1497
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 2: custom motto like Bob And we've come up with the

1498
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 2: bomb strategy. I mean, it's gonna all play into the

1499
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 2: entertainment factor. But I'm just I'm I'm surprised by this

1500
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 2: pairing and relationship. I really am.

1501
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't understand it as well because Mike's we talked

1502
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: about this previously. Mike's boxing style is like it would

1503
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: mix boxing style actually would be good to fight Tyson Fury,

1504
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: but you gotta be like Mike Tyson built to do it,

1505
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,759
Speaker 1: which Francis is not. Yeah, he doesn't have that trunk

1506
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: an explosive footwork too, like to be able to move

1507
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: into position so quickly and expertly and with all the stability.

1508
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: It's very, very difficult to do that. He makes it

1509
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 1: look easy. It's not easy. It's really hard. So that

1510
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,600
Speaker 1: part's weird. I'll say this man again. I want to

1511
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: be clear for NIMA fans who are watching us, and

1512
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 1: according to the poll we have up fifty four percent

1513
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: of our fans think Wilder hits harder. I think that's right.

1514
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Mike is wrong. We don't know if

1515
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: Mike's wrong. I just think we should be very careful

1516
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: about diminishing one of the biggest power punchers. The heavyweight

1517
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: division has literally ever seen. Yeah, dude, if Francis goes

1518
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: in there and flatlines Tyson, I can't tell you how

1519
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: big that would be, not just because of you, the

1520
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: winning side of the equation, how improbable that is. But

1521
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: for Tyson, to your point, Tyson Fury, to have fought

1522
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: one of the biggest power punchers, been knocked down four

1523
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: times and survived and you couldn't do it against Francis, Dude,

1524
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: Francis would then belong in the power punching category even

1525
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: in boxing, of the elite of the elite.

1526
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, but there is a scenario with with that

1527
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 2: power that it could be a one punch flash finish.

1528
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but hold on, hold on, hold on, So

1529
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: let me throw this back at you. Imagine it looks

1530
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: something like in boxing what Francis did to Oveream, where

1531
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: it's just this demonstrable ko where like he just I mean,

1532
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: thrashes him with the power. Well, then we're having a

1533
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: different conversation, aren't we.

1534
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh yeah, yeah we are. I just you know,

1535
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 2: Will here's the key question, because we still debate, some

1536
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 2: people still debate to this day, for Maymac whether Floyd

1537
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 2: you know, I have I have confirmed from members of

1538
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 2: Floyd's camp that he did not take that camp cardiovascularly

1539
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 2: as serious as a real fight. His strategy was to

1540
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 2: do what he did, hide behind the high guard where

1541
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 2: Connor down, and pick him apart late when he's fatigued.

1542
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 2: Didn't it work perfectly? Now? Floyd also had abs who knows? Right?

1543
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 2: Is that just you know? Is that just an urban legend?

1544
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 2: Who knows? But there are people that I believe Luke,

1545
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 2: whether he did it strategically or not, that Floyd carried

1546
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 2: Connor and it led to the the the idea that

1547
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 2: the that the cardiovascular here is much different. It's something

1548
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 2: Sean Porter talked a lot about ahead of the Nate

1549
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 2: Diez Jake Paul fight in terms of it's easier to

1550
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 2: get gassed out in boxing when you're used to the

1551
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 2: physical demand of MMA, which is different cardiovascularly. Do you

1552
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 2: think Tyson Fury, who loves to toy with danger in

1553
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 2: the ring and be a showman, does he try to

1554
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 2: stay away from Francis completely to make sure that the

1555
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 2: that the one punch chance that he has which is big.

1556
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 2: It's big if it's a if it's a clocking shot.

1557
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 2: But Fury's got great defense, great who head movement. He's

1558
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 2: also six foot nine and taller. He's also got an

1559
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 2: incredibly long reach, and he's also way faster, as we

1560
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 2: perceive it than Francis. Will he even be close enough

1561
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 2: for that one punch to have a chance before like

1562
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 2: round six? In your opinion, that's.

1563
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 1: A great question, because after round six, I do think

1564
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: the chances go up. I mean, but again, folks don't

1565
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: understand how hard it is. You're only throwing punches, right,

1566
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: You're not doing anything else. You have to constantly move

1567
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: your feet if you're gonna do it well. And if

1568
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 1: it's a twelve round fight, it's thirty six minutes of fighting.

1569
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 1: You know, the most you'd ever do in MMA is

1570
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: twenty five.

1571
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 2: It's just it's ten.

1572
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 1: It's a ten round contest. Okay, fine, still thirty minutes.

1573
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 1: It's still fis that would be a six round MMA about.

1574
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: I mean, that's hardest shit to do for a heavyweight.

1575
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot of fighting. So I do

1576
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: think it is very very different. Again, people don't even

1577
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: realize that carrying your hands with the wet gloves when

1578
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: you're not used to it with like, it's harder and

1579
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: harder and harder to do. Yeah, I mean, listen, all

1580
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: of this is improbable. It could just be we're buying

1581
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: into something that Mike's turney say to sell the fight,

1582
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, I I don't know. I feel like, uh

1583
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 1: in Gon, who's best chance is gonna be high guard,

1584
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: crowding and walking in, working the body and then coming

1585
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,599
Speaker 1: over the top a little bit of Esac Cruise style BC.

1586
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: It's like, can a guy who's never boxed before pull

1587
01:14:59,360 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: that off?

1588
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 2: Probably not right? Probably not? Luke Let's transition to topic

1589
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 2: number four, and it's the fighting future of a big

1590
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 2: name free agent and former Bellator welterweight title challenger, Michael

1591
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 2: vanam Page m VP. Now, Luke he he said in

1592
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 2: this free agent period that he feels like he doesn't

1593
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 2: need to prove himself that his reputation holds firm, and

1594
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 2: that he wants the Michael Chandler treatment. Can you explain

1595
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 2: what he means by that?

1596
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: So basically what he had argued was, and maybe I'm

1597
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: getting part of this wrong, and if so, the audience

1598
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: can correct me. But the basic idea is that, like

1599
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't need to go fight a I'll

1600
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: make up a name that you know, some folks had

1601
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: suggested like Renette for Kretdinov, Like, we're not for nettakof

1602
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: the guy who beat Kevin Lee, right, so some kind

1603
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: of Dakistani guy who's gonna leg lace you in all

1604
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: this kind of nonsense. He doesn't really feel he needs

1605
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: to do it, doesn't have to prove himself. The question is,

1606
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, what are some fun fights you can make?

1607
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: One of the sort of the appropriate matchmaker model fights

1608
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: that you could make that would one showcase why folks

1609
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: are excited about him, but also be like, you know,

1610
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: a good enough of a not a test of his

1611
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: skills per se, and like, you know, do you have

1612
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: enough well rounded ability to compete in the UFC, but rather,

1613
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 1: you know, are you good enough to go you know,

1614
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: fast track to the title or something like that. So

1615
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, he believes that Michael Chandler didn't have to

1616
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: do that. He didt Michael Chandler didn't have to start

1617
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: at the bottom and then work his way up through

1618
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: tough guys who maybe weren't ranked and blah blah blah.

1619
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: He he got to start much more readily. He got

1620
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 1: to start well. It was Dan Hooker his debut I

1621
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: believe if I got that right? Yeah, yeah, who did Hooker?

1622
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: Not an easy guy to beat, that's not the point.

1623
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: But a guy who stylistically is going to be an

1624
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: action fighter, right, a guy who is very experienced himself,

1625
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 1: and a guy who's going to stand and kind of

1626
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: bang with you inasmuch as he needs to. I guess.

1627
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 1: Obviously he took down Nasua hack Parass, but we will

1628
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: get the idea. So what he wants is somebody similar

1629
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: to that. Give me another stylistic action fighter who the

1630
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: fans no one respect, that would make a fun fight

1631
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: with a big enough name such that a winner that

1632
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 1: automatically propels him into much more interesting conversations, rather than

1633
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: a tough Dagistani guy who no one wants to fight

1634
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean much if you lose, you know, or

1635
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: even if you win.

1636
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 2: Let's compare it to Eddie Alvarez, who was in a

1637
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 2: similar territory as Michael Chandler based on age when he

1638
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 2: came in. And I never expected Eddie alvas to make

1639
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 2: the run to the title that he did. I thought

1640
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 2: he'd be in big fights and be fun. But Eddie

1641
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 2: got Donald Seroni as his first test, and then after

1642
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 2: that close loss, had to kind of go through like

1643
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 2: not easy names to quickly work himself into the title shot,

1644
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,879
Speaker 2: and then he wins the championship. So shout out to Eddie.

1645
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 2: Are you asking me essentially for a Seroni type But

1646
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 2: would that be the Michael Chandler treatment?

1647
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what, I think the Seroni fight

1648
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: is fair. I didn't think that was an unfair fight

1649
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 1: for Eddie. Eddie, Eddie underperformed in that fight. I mean,

1650
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: the reality of Eddie Alvarez is Folks always talk about

1651
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: how he got rocked and then would come back, which

1652
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 1: is true, like he was famous for it, right, and

1653
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: we all know would love Eddie for that reason. But

1654
01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 1: Eddie also had times where he would just kind of

1655
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 1: under perform, right against Connor McGregor. Do I think that

1656
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 1: that's the best that Eddie Alvarez could do. No, I don't.

1657
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 1: I don't. I still don't believe that. I mean, Connor

1658
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: got the best of them, Connor, did you know, take

1659
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: nothing from Connor. He just did an amazing, amazing job

1660
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,839
Speaker 1: that night. But that's not the best that Eddie Alvarez

1661
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: has to offer. And I think most people who are

1662
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: honest know that. So the reality is he tends to

1663
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,719
Speaker 1: at times underperform, but then we all know the story.

1664
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: He comes and storms back and does really great either

1665
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 1: in the fight itself, in the round itself, or in

1666
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: his career. So I actually think that's a very appropriate fight.

1667
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 1: So a tough test that fans love. Don Seroni might

1668
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: take you down, but he didn't. He leg kicked the

1669
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: shit out of it.

1670
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 2: And we don't mean today Don Serni, we mean the

1671
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 2: Don Soronni from twenty fifteen.

1672
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, the one, the one that the one that Eddie

1673
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 1: got at that time. I think that would be very fair.

1674
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 1: They didn't They didn't do Eddie Alvarez dirty in that contest.

1675
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: They didn't do Mike Chandler dirty, and I think they

1676
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: should give something similar to MVP. The question is like,

1677
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: do you think MVP is right, that he deserves it?

1678
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: And I would argue, what would be the point of

1679
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: signing him him if you didn't like, yeah, that's a

1680
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: good thing. The guy draws a crowd in London. We

1681
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: know that, so let's work or don't, but make it

1682
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 1: work on the terms that it's supposed to be there for.

1683
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 2: That's the thing, because if you're the UFC you either

1684
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 2: believe that he could be a star and you might

1685
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 2: want to try to support that with the matchmaking to

1686
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 2: give him a chance to be, or you just might

1687
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 2: want somebody that you can help continue to make stars

1688
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 2: out of your risers. If you think MVP's more sizzle

1689
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 2: than legit and you love getting one up over former

1690
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 2: belt or fires, which I don't even think is part

1691
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 2: of Dana's like mindset at the moment, or you know

1692
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 2: he's not fighting that battle that would dictate that. I

1693
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 2: want to quickly read before I give my pick what

1694
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 2: MVP said to David Attosania, the brother of the champion

1695
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 2: here on I Believe YouTube, saying I want top five,

1696
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 2: top ten max. I don't feel like I need to

1697
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 2: prove myself all over again. I just want to go

1698
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 2: in there. And we've seen it with Chandler. He fought

1699
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 2: a top ten Dan Hooker, great first win that just

1700
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 2: sprung him to the contention. That's the root I see

1701
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 2: myself in. I don't see it any other way. I

1702
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 2: don't need a warm up, and it's not like I've

1703
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,600
Speaker 2: been out of the game for ages. I'm ready to

1704
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 2: go now, Luke. I know you want me to give

1705
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 2: something similar to what Alver it has against Chandler, I

1706
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 2: mean against Cowboy Seroni back in when he made the leap.

1707
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 2: But wouldn't this next name I'm about to say be

1708
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 2: the ultimate perfect feast or famine of what it could

1709
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 2: give you. The name I'm talking about is Connor McGregor

1710
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 2: at welterweight. Luke, I know you're like, that's crazy and stupid.

1711
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 2: Why would we do that? If MVP is not ready

1712
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 2: for prime time on this level, He's not going to

1713
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 2: take Connor down, and it could be this bounce back

1714
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 2: win for Connor that's massive and further pushes belatour down

1715
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 2: in UFC. Is the king or or you could fast

1716
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 2: track MVP off of that if he got a pay

1717
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 2: per view win like that, and he could suddenly become

1718
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 2: an attraction, rising contender that you can take big chances

1719
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 2: with in the matchmaking and it might just work out

1720
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 2: for you for a bit. Luke, am I crazy here?

1721
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: Yeah? You're crazy? You're crazy. I don't think that's an

1722
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: appropriate use of his time at all in either direction.

1723
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: The one that our fans apparently are suggesting would be

1724
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: Ian Gary, which would be a good one, but I

1725
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: don't know how you skip out on the wonder Boy one.

1726
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 1: Two guys with the point karate background by all means

1727
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 1: at forty years old. This is what I mean. Like, dude,

1728
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 1: wonder Boy is still tough to beat. It's a favorable style.

1729
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about the guy taking you down.

1730
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: And you're beating a guy with a name. I don't

1731
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: know where he's ranked currently, so I don't know if

1732
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: it fits that five or ten model, but that one

1733
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: works well for me. We're also hearing Kevin mc excuse me,

1734
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Holland love that choice, Michelle Panena. I don't really

1735
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: like Gilbert Burns. I don't really like I especially don't

1736
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: like Gilbert. Gilbert is way too tough. I think Gilbert

1737
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 1: would beat him, I think rather handily, and I don't

1738
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: know that that makes a lot of sense. But the

1739
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: other ones, the guys that will knuckle up with him,

1740
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 1: the guys that will sort of meet him in the

1741
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: middle there, that have names that can create excitement and

1742
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 1: beating them mean something. Yeah, give him those, give him those?

1743
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 2: How about this? Would Blall take that? If it was promised?

1744
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:53,879
Speaker 2: The title shodder has bully.

1745
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 1: Waste of time, Dude Ballall's gonna take him down? Dude,

1746
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: What the fuck is the point of that? What the

1747
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: fuck is the point we've seen. I'm not saying he

1748
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't do better than Low and Story, but it would

1749
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 1: be something like the Logan Storly fight.

1750
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 2: Okay, it needs to be someone that MVP could look

1751
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 2: great against. So you're not gonna put him in there

1752
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 2: with a wrestler, then why don't you put him in

1753
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 2: there with an older name, especially when moving up? Do

1754
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,440
Speaker 2: you like Poorier against?

1755
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: I like that. I take that Portia is a fun one. Yes,

1756
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,879
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Pourier could go for a takedown,

1757
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 1: but you know it wouldn't be his first choice by

1758
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination. Yeah, I like that one.

1759
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: That's a great one.

1760
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: Gilbert Burns, which I think you mentioned and the fans mentioned,

1761
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 2: is also I mean, he's.

1762
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 1: A black belt world champion. Like, dude, that's a real

1763
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 1: bad idea.

1764
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 2: That is also a bad idea. I kind of like

1765
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 2: the Connor one. It's I don't have I think you

1766
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 2: can still put people over with Connor. I know, Mike,

1767
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 2: he was questioning that.

1768
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: Did you see what the Darren Till said about Connor? No,

1769
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 1: Darren till you know, I don't. We have said something

1770
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: like you and I have talked about this. We have

1771
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: said similar things but not quite the same, which is

1772
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 1: that he doesn't think Connor ever fights again and is

1773
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: having a hard time letting go. You know, he doesn't

1774
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: train the same way he's living his life and like

1775
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 1: we all have said it too, like I don't know

1776
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 1: about all the crimes he's alleged to have commit, but

1777
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 1: like putting that to the side for just a moment,

1778
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 1: just in terms of like the life he lives where

1779
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 1: he's on boats and you know, he's showing up on

1780
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,600
Speaker 1: red carpets and Miami heat games and you know, I

1781
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: know there was some issues there, but whatever. Like living

1782
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 1: a life like a rich celebrity is basically my point,

1783
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: Like if you live a life like that, that's not

1784
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: a fighter's life. It's not you can fight like that,

1785
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 1: but you're not going to do all that well if

1786
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: you even fight at all. And he just thinks like

1787
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 1: he can't let go of this idea that he's still

1788
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, this like decorated kind of guy and won't

1789
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 1: fight again. I still think Connor fights again. But to

1790
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 1: hear another fighter say that was kind of interesting.

1791
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 2: Well, we've been waking up to the idea and sometimes

1792
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,640
Speaker 2: we've made references or jokes or been serious about it too.

1793
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 2: It seems like Connor's like living the rock star life,

1794
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 2: like living potentially the drug life. And you know, he

1795
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 2: did sort of reveal ahead of the Beib fight that

1796
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 2: it was all in on fitting but also all in

1797
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 2: on the other stuff. And you know, you're not going

1798
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:04,919
Speaker 2: to get the best of yourself, and certainly not against

1799
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 2: somebody who like Habibe. But that's a long time ago

1800
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 2: and he should have learned these lessons. But look, I'm

1801
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 2: just fresh off of watching that Untold Johnny Manzel documentary

1802
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 2: on Netflix, which really focuses on rightfully. So that beginning

1803
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 2: with once he got to the NFL with the Browns,

1804
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 2: now he'd always lived an aggressive party life and that's

1805
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 2: always been a part of who he was. And you know,

1806
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 2: he wasn't the student who watched any tape and that

1807
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 2: helped lead to his bust run in one year with

1808
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,719
Speaker 2: the Browns as an NFL quarterback. But it really showed

1809
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 2: in him admitting it that basically beginning with when things

1810
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 2: got hard there in Cleveland, he just turned off, stopped

1811
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 2: caring and went full on into self destruction party mode

1812
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 2: that lasted many years. Do you think Connor's really in

1813
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 2: the midst of that, that he's on a destructive dark path?

1814
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 2: And maybe some of this idea of him crying about

1815
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 2: the USADA thing but then not doing anything to change

1816
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 2: it is really his way of having an excuse not

1817
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 2: to fight, and he might be in the midst of

1818
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 2: one of these absolute free falls. And why the hell

1819
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 2: are we not woking up to it?

1820
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's absolutely on the table. I guess

1821
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 1: you know, I'm so far removed to declare that that's

1822
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: what's happening is hard to say, but like, how could

1823
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 1: anyone look at what's happening and say that that hypothesis

1824
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: you just offered seems off? Like it's you could explain

1825
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 1: just about everything that we're looking at, for better or

1826
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 1: for worse. So yeah, I mean, the Johnny Manzel thing

1827
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 1: is weird, dude. I watched part of it too, Like

1828
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: the fucking guy didn't watch tape. I mean, I know

1829
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: a MMA were used to guys like, oh I don't

1830
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: watch tape. My coach is watch tape. Guys. A quarterback

1831
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 1: of the NFL does nothing but watch tape like you kids,

1832
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like, I don't even know how

1833
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,679
Speaker 1: to explain how to do that job without watching tape.

1834
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: You have to watch hours of it daily, and he

1835
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: didn't watch any.

1836
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 2: It was the equivalent of what a lot of us

1837
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 2: have went through, where up to a certain level in

1838
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 2: your schooling for some people that's twelfth grade, even you

1839
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,799
Speaker 2: can dominate without putting in the work on just intellect

1840
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 2: and ability to take tests. And I can cram when

1841
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 2: I need to, I can, you know, but I'm faking

1842
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 2: it most of the way. But I'm keeping up a

1843
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 2: high grade average. And then you get to whatever level,

1844
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 2: some college, some high school, and you get woken up

1845
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,839
Speaker 2: abruptly at what is demanded of you. He's the equivalent

1846
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 2: of that in football, and it's like even if he

1847
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 2: I want it, like he's small Luke, and there was

1848
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 2: always gonna be odds against him making it. But then again,

1849
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 2: the rules have changed so much to allow for an

1850
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 2: aggressive athletic quarterback in ways that they never would have

1851
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 2: tried to back in the day. But yeah, he completely

1852
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 2: self destructed and once it got to the point that

1853
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 2: the work got too hard, just wanted out. And you know,

1854
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 2: and I understand that, and I get it. I mean,

1855
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 2: you know, he blew it, but at least he's open

1856
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 2: and honest about it now and it feels like he's

1857
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 2: trying to make some positive change in his life. But

1858
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 2: that's what happened, and maybe that's what's happened to Connor.

1859
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he's I just feel like Connor has built

1860
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 1: a life for himself that has nothing to do with

1861
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 1: the fight game. Yes, right, so he hasn't left the

1862
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 1: fight game, you know, that's not what I'm saying. But

1863
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 1: building up this wealth, building up this portfolio of friends,

1864
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: building up this I'm gonna be at this event and

1865
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be involved in this business and whatever. None

1866
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 1: of that has got jack shit to do with being

1867
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 1: like like what is you know, I don't know what

1868
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 1: is what is Volkanovski doing every day? Like, yeah, he's

1869
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 1: got meet and greets and stuff like that, But that

1870
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,640
Speaker 1: dude is just hard nosed in the gym. That's just

1871
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 1: not Connor.

1872
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 2: Would you like to see Connor kind of go the

1873
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 2: De la Hoya route and like get into promotion and

1874
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 2: get it at least have some dedicated job in the

1875
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 2: fight game that could use.

1876
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: His games aren't even good anymore? Right, didn't he say

1877
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 1: about cas I like the guy couldn't box eggs even

1878
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: if worked in an egg boxing facility or whatever the

1879
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 1: fuck it was?

1880
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 2: Right, he's washed, his gimmick is washed, his game is washed.

1881
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 2: And enough matchmaking with him on the fantasy side, Luke,

1882
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 2: Because I don't know, he may not answer that bell.

1883
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 2: You might be right, you may not answer that bell again.

1884
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 2: It might be where we're at here anyway, Luke. We

1885
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 2: could end up being dead wrong about it. But at

1886
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 2: least we have a dedicated every Friday in this show where,

1887
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 2: unlike the rest of the people were up against for

1888
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 2: Podcast Awards, we don't have an accountant. They don't have

1889
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 2: a combountability on Budsman's segment where they stand trial to

1890
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 2: find out if what they said was absolute bullshit, and

1891
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 2: they in fact, if you have receipts and you have

1892
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 2: enough balls to bring it to our table, maybe we

1893
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 2: really were.

1894
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,759
Speaker 1: Okay, get to the segment dead wrong.

1895
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 2: I try to be the crip keeper creeper and set

1896
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 2: that up. It just keeps going, it does. Yeah, yeah,

1897
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 2: you know, just yeah, I just go all right. Number

1898
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 2: one here from Edgar Luke on Wednesday's episode, BC joke

1899
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 2: that everyone called him McVeigh in his twenties because he

1900
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 2: had a very unibomber haircut. True fact, if I got

1901
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 2: a haircut, walked into stopping shop where I worked in college, Luke,

1902
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 2: right away, people are like, oh, I have a Timothy McVeigh.

1903
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 2: Look is back? Wait to go? Who are you gonna

1904
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:57,919
Speaker 2: which building are you gonna blow up? That was a thing, Luke. Okay, anyway,

1905
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:02,680
Speaker 2: this is strange because McVeigh was the Oklahoma City bomber,

1906
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 2: was big old Ted Kaczinski. That joke really blew up

1907
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,719
Speaker 2: in your face. So is he saying that I called

1908
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 2: McVeigh You can't be.

1909
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 1: Like the unibomber. If you saw him, he had like

1910
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 1: a beard and like long straggly hair.

1911
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 2: I know the difference. That was a slip in the moment.

1912
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 2: The UNI bomber was big old Ted Kaczinski. That joke

1913
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 2: really blew up in Beci's face. You really bombed on

1914
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 2: that one. Good dad joke skills right there.

1915
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 1: By the way, Ted Kazinski just died at Supermax, not

1916
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 1: just but relatively really. Yeah, I think he hung himself.

1917
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 1: I think he killed himself.

1918
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 2: Yet, well that's a good. That's interesting. Okay, So he says,

1919
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 2: my life is so sad, so very sad, regards Edgar

1920
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 2: Lugo Vesquez. So thank you Edgar for the dad.

1921
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 1: Did you ever read his manifesto Edgar's No, I'm not

1922
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: really no, no, no, I have not. He was he was,

1923
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 1: you know in terms of like obviously he was an

1924
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 1: evil guy, but in terms of well, in terms of

1925
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 1: by the way, it's not here anymore, but there was

1926
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: a museum here in d C. Called the Museum. They

1927
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 1: have since demolished it, but they had one section for

1928
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 1: like all the things the FBI had ever captured, and

1929
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 1: they had uh, they had his shack, they had the

1930
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 1: they had the unibombers, like you could go and look

1931
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 1: at it, like, dude, it was it was not money.

1932
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: My man was living hand to mouth.

1933
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 2: Did they recreate it or did they physically move it

1934
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 2: to this?

1935
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 1: They moved it. It's the real one. Yeah, it's the

1936
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 1: real one. I guess that's.

1937
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 2: A gross commitment to accuracy and detail. Like do people

1938
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 2: go to like Dahmer's condo and and like keep the

1939
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 2: rug to sell it on eBay one day? I mean

1940
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 2: that's pretty gross. It's grim.

1941
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he didn't hack up people there weren't

1942
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: like murders committed in the actual cabin and so it's

1943
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 1: a little bit different. But the other point is, uh,

1944
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 1: they had letters from like Saddam Hussein that he had

1945
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: written to George Bush and shit like that, like a

1946
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 1: bunch of weird stuff. It was.

1947
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 2: It was odd. Yeah, it turns out that that mass

1948
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 2: killer was a weirdo. Who would have Luke Ivan lived

1949
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 2: in a loane in the woods on the wrong with

1950
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 2: a long beard. Who would have thought, right, yeah, I

1951
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 2: do have an uncle that lives deep in the woods

1952
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 2: like that, Luke. I think he just likes being alone too,

1953
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 2: So shout out to uncle Rick.

1954
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 1: You know, is it how's his WiFi? Is it worse

1955
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: than your shitty WiFi?

1956
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 2: It's probably a lot better, Luke. He was always ahead

1957
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 2: of the game in those areas. All right, let's keep it.

1958
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 2: Going over to Jaden, he says, hello, longtime listener, but

1959
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 2: first time complainer. It's me again. BC must not have

1960
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 2: had time to watch the video because the one he

1961
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,680
Speaker 2: mentioned that was posted following UFC two ninety two of

1962
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 2: the main event. Oh he's talking about when I said

1963
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 2: O'Malley was the first full fight they showed after a

1964
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 2: pay per view on social media to promote O'Malley. He

1965
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 2: said this was not the whole fight. In fact, UFC

1966
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,719
Speaker 2: only posted the second round and the post fight remarks

1967
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 2: from the Sugar Show. Please do stay quirky BC. Also, Luke,

1968
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 2: have you heard of the vape alternative fume or fum

1969
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:58,759
Speaker 2: alternative FuMB fume?

1970
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 1: I haven't vaped in a while.

1971
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 2: Good, good to hear you, dirt hole, Luke. Jaden was

1972
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 2: right and I was wrong. Apparently they posted just the

1973
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 2: second round. But still, that was a big move for

1974
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 2: the UFC committing to promoting the star of O'Malley.

1975
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 1: True or false? Yeah, funny that they took that from

1976
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 1: Showtime Boxing. Who Dana was saying the Showtime Boxing production

1977
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 1: is not that great. I don't know, it looks like

1978
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 1: it was pretty good to me.

1979
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, this Dana versus Showtime war is kind of comical, Luke.

1980
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 2: But you know, I'll take arms in this side, and Luke,

1981
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 2: all right, you know I'll do it. All right, let's

1982
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 2: keep it going here from John. Dear John, he says,

1983
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 2: hey donks. On Friday's Mailbag, Luke said that the Burger

1984
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 2: King in DC was the last burger to have eighties

1985
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:44,640
Speaker 2: nostalgia decorated inside. That was false. My mom lives in

1986
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 2: Glen Cove, Long Island, and her Burger King is still

1987
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 2: decorated the same and infested with roaches.

1988
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what. When the news said it

1989
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 1: was shutting down, which it did shut down, they said

1990
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 1: it was the last one in the country. So that's

1991
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: why I repeated it. But the news media got me again.

1992
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 1: I guess.

1993
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 2: Look, when I used to be addicted to debauchery and

1994
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 2: fast food, and Wendy's was our unique gourmet fast food.

1995
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:10,680
Speaker 2: We didn't have it in my hometown, still don't, but

1996
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 2: we'd go anywhere for it. I remember like adding up

1997
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 2: my debaucher. Over the years, I've like thrown up in

1998
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 2: Wendy's and then eat finished my meal. I've grabbed my

1999
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 2: pants and ways like I've done everything possibly gross in there.

2000
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 2: To echo off of the mystery of Big John's asploids

2001
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 2: in Tokyo, have you done damage in Big Chicken in

2002
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 2: that same regard in your area wherever that is.

2003
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:35,720
Speaker 1: You're gonna laugh at this. I actually never ate at

2004
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 1: the Big Chicken, not once.

2005
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 2: What it's a landmark and what town.

2006
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:41,599
Speaker 1: Is it in Marietta Marietta, Georgia.

2007
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? So would you say if somebody said where'd you

2008
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 2: live in Georgia? Was it always Marietta?

2009
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 1: No? So I lived in three different towns. I lived

2010
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 1: in Nashville, Georgia for a time, then I lived in Valdosta, Georgia,

2011
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 1: which was the big football capital, and then I moved

2012
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: north to Marietta, which is just outside Atlanta.

2013
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 2: Okay, so they're all Atlanta's yes.

2014
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, only Marietta the other two. Valdosta

2015
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 1: is like the last city before you hit Florida. It's

2016
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 1: like it's in the It's in Lowndes County. Lowndes County

2017
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 1: is literally on the Georgia Florida border.

2018
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 2: You were some you were the redneck Riviera. You were

2019
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,000
Speaker 2: some panhandle ship. You were able.

2020
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:17,639
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, I mean I just want to say

2021
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 1: when like you're like, oh the South has charm, Like

2022
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 1: go fuck yourself. Just just eat all the ship. You

2023
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. Nope, nope, enjoy yourselves.

2024
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:29,760
Speaker 2: That Proud Boys Pavilion Luke for that great concert at

2025
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,840
Speaker 2: your bus All right there you go. Uh, let's uh

2026
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 2: that's the three Dead wrong.

2027
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 1: No, we got one for you. We got one, you

2028
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 1: got one special one that they sent in. It's a

2029
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:43,719
Speaker 1: dead wrong for BC, and they want me to read it. BC.

2030
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 1: You know, because I'm a normal human, I've never eaten

2031
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:51,600
Speaker 1: at Arby's, and you know that's one thing about you

2032
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 1: that makes you just an absolutely disgusting piece of white

2033
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 1: trash ship.

2034
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 2: I also did whippets in the Arby's parking lot, so

2035
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 2: I mean that just adds on to it.

2036
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 1: Luke, So here we have have a dead wrong for

2037
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 1: you from a man who goes by the name of

2038
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 1: Devon or could be Devn. I'm gonna say Devon. I

2039
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: don't really know, but let me read it as follows.

2040
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: This is a dead wrong for Brian this past week.

2041
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 1: I don't know how old this is so, but you

2042
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 1: recently went over like I'll get to it. This past week,

2043
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 1: I was enjoying the mailbag episode you guys put together.

2044
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 1: I think we as fans really appreciate the fact that

2045
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 1: you pre record things for us when you're gone. However,

2046
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 1: there was one part of the episode that rubbed me

2047
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 1: the wrong way. Luke asked Brian for the best win

2048
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 1: excuse me, the best Arby's order, to which he obliged

2049
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:37,719
Speaker 1: two beef and cheddars, curly fries and a Jamoka shake.

2050
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 1: Was the order? Is that correct?

2051
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? That's it. That's that's the winner. That's sex right yea.

2052
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 1: Devin says, this is the equivalent of the missionary position

2053
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 1: for a washed dude with a love of gas station food.

2054
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 1: You've got this one completely wrong. And here's his credentials.

2055
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 1: My tenure at Arby's lasted from ninth grade to twelfth grade,

2056
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 1: and I've enclosed a pick sure from about fifteen years

2057
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,719
Speaker 1: ago to prove my experience. Do we have that Mikey

2058
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 1: no pick lol? Okay. Arby's has so many better options

2059
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:12,559
Speaker 1: on the menu, and in my opinion, Brian's credibility is

2060
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 1: shot soon. He's only going to be relegated to buy one,

2061
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 1: get one cameos because nobody can trust the hoser. So

2062
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: maybe he's a Canadian Arby's fan. I don't know, all right.

2063
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:27,599
Speaker 1: The correct Arby's order is as follows, chicken bacon, ranch sandwich,

2064
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 1: no lettuce, loaded baked potato, extra shredded cheese, Jamoka shak

2065
01:36:34,520 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 1: and he writes, admittedly this is a banger, and Brian

2066
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 1: is for this is right, and then he adds apple

2067
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 1: or blueberry turnover. Both are fantastic ps. Brian says Quebec

2068
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 1: like a man who's never been there. It's k Beec,

2069
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:50,639
Speaker 1: not I don't know Quebec. I don't know who says it, Luke.

2070
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 1: No disrespect to you or any of the thousands of

2071
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 1: fans listening, But I got a message for one man,

2072
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell, get your shit together. I'm waiting for your

2073
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:57,599
Speaker 1: Arby's order.

2074
01:36:58,040 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, if you're a Canadian talking about

2075
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:01,479
Speaker 2: our so they even have them up there, Luke, all

2076
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 2: I saw was Tim Horton's up in my uh my

2077
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 2: motherland of Quebec, quah up there, Luke. The people that

2078
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 2: I love and felt one with not like this clown.

2079
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 2: But I will say this to that. First of all,

2080
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 2: you're substituting the order with with chicken at a place

2081
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 2: that's known for the sloppy, gross beef and cheddar that

2082
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 2: looks like you know, Leake soccer goalie nudes Luca like,

2083
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 2: just ridiculous, right, But I'll also say this, Luke. I'll

2084
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 2: also say this. I did not so I I was

2085
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 2: Arby's was a was a victory fast food meal for me.

2086
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 2: It was a like attraction. It was a once a year,

2087
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 2: twice a year thing. I never had armies in my town.

2088
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 2: There was one at the gross Waterbury Mall in Connecticut.

2089
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 2: Uh that I that I did hit at times, but

2090
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 2: I wasn't like that wasn't part of my routine. So yeah,

2091
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 2: missionary position. But that was like the order at the

2092
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 2: place that had this nostalgic feel because I never had

2093
01:37:58,200 --> 01:37:59,720
Speaker 2: it in Connecticut for a while. And then my uncle

2094
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:01,479
Speaker 2: used to bring to it to hang out and that

2095
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 2: was our stop and it was it. Arby's was like

2096
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 2: royalty of fast food for me. And then you know,

2097
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:07,559
Speaker 2: I did a lot of whippets in the parking lot

2098
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:09,679
Speaker 2: while chowing down beef and cheddars, and you know, those

2099
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 2: memories are just so nostalgic and great. So uh yeah,

2100
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 2: I guess I'll take that. I never explored the menu

2101
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 2: because I always felt like I got well, eef and cheddar.

2102
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 2: You gotta go after what they do great. You know

2103
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is I have to.

2104
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 1: Say, asking to go to a fast food place that's

2105
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,719
Speaker 1: not Chick fil A and ordered chicken is always dubious

2106
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 1: to me. You know, indeed, indeed, okay, but comment chicken

2107
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 1: binging and ran sandwich? How was it? No, lettuce, I've.

2108
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 2: Never had it because I'm trying to tell you I

2109
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,480
Speaker 2: wasn't a regular Arby's guy. I was like an attraction

2110
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 2: occasion Arby's guy. And why am I going to order

2111
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 2: chicken at freaking Arby's where it's.

2112
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that one, A little bit with you.

2113
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 1: This guy worked at Arby's. But still all right, the

2114
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 1: loaded baked potato, extra shredded cheese. I gotta tell you,

2115
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to fucking fast food to get a

2116
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 1: baked potato each ship.

2117
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,559
Speaker 2: If you go to Wendy's and you get the chili,

2118
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 2: you're sixty five years old, I'm sorry. I'm not going

2119
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 2: to the salad bar, all right. I'm not for the.

2120
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:03,599
Speaker 1: You know, did you have the apple or blueberry turnover?

2121
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 2: I have never had that from from our bi Wow?

2122
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so you haven't had you have You've never had

2123
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 1: this guy's order?

2124
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 2: Well, it's yeah, I've never I'll admit I have not

2125
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:17,000
Speaker 2: gone deep down the menu, but I did have it

2126
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 2: two or three times a year, and each time felt special,

2127
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 2: and I kept it that way. Luke, Okay, believe it

2128
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 2: very good, all right, shout out to the beef and Sheddar.

2129
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 2: It's a it's a lifestyle, hey, Luke, let's close with this.

2130
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:30,880
Speaker 2: You are fresh off the bird from a I'm going

2131
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:35,640
Speaker 2: to assume a beautiful family vacation in Colombia. Not Colombia,

2132
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 2: just so the people know. And shout out to the

2133
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 2: survivors of that earthquake that you texted me about, Luke,

2134
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 2: not what the hell's going on.

2135
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 1: It ended up being not that big a deal, but

2136
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:45,559
Speaker 1: they had two earthquakes while I was there.

2137
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:48,599
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, shout out to everyone fighting the good fight

2138
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:50,720
Speaker 2: in Hawaii. I mean, there's just been craziness with the

2139
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:52,479
Speaker 2: weather lately. And then my wife tried to get me

2140
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 2: to watch that movie on Netflix about that tsunami from

2141
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 2: twenty years ago. You know I'm talking about that.

2142
01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 1: I saw it.

2143
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 2: I saw that was I was unset at best. See.

2144
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:04,360
Speaker 2: The only thing I really fear in life, Luke, outside

2145
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 2: of chicks with neck tattoos, who smokes cigarettes, is is

2146
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 2: natural disasters like like aggressive thunderstorm, hurricanes, tornadoes, like I

2147
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 2: feel like any other situation in life when we don't

2148
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:18,680
Speaker 2: have control, I've got I've got peace and and but

2149
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:21,719
Speaker 2: we have no control in those circumstances, Luke, mother nature

2150
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 2: will kick your asshole. All right, So how about a

2151
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 2: gringos guys in Columbia. Look, yeah, there you.

2152
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:31,240
Speaker 1: Go, there we go. And by the way, you know

2153
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 1: the people. In English, it's pronounced the same either way.

2154
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:38,480
Speaker 1: It's Columbia, Columbia. But in Spanish co l o Columbia,

2155
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:41,559
Speaker 1: co l u Columbia. So that's why that's where you

2156
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 1: would get the differences. Okay, I got five things for

2157
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 1: everyone I've now been. I realized this. I talked about

2158
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:47,719
Speaker 1: it with my wife. I've not been going to Columbia

2159
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 1: for ten years. Ten years, I've been vacationing there basically

2160
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:52,760
Speaker 1: every single year. I can't even remember how many times

2161
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 1: i've been. Now I've been a bunch of times, and

2162
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:56,800
Speaker 1: I've got like, I've got a list of five. I'm

2163
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 1: gonna make it six here on the on the I'm

2164
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:01,599
Speaker 1: gonna call a bit of an audible on things, real

2165
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:06,200
Speaker 1: simple ways to have a good time, enjoy yourself, stay

2166
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 1: out of trouble, appreciate the culture, all the things you're

2167
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 1: supposed to do whenever you travel internationally, right, all that

2168
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:11,240
Speaker 1: kind of.

2169
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:14,640
Speaker 2: Shay I survive a trip, a vacation without you with

2170
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:16,840
Speaker 2: like my family. If I were telling you I'm flying

2171
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 2: to Columbia for vacation, would you allow me to do that?

2172
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 2: Would you have fears for my livelihood?

2173
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:23,840
Speaker 1: I think if you took my advice here, you'd be

2174
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 1: just fine. How about that? How about that?

2175
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 2: All right?

2176
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:31,840
Speaker 1: Number one, motherfuckers, don't drive. Don't fucking drive. I cannot

2177
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,760
Speaker 1: tell you how many people have told me they're gonna

2178
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:36,719
Speaker 1: rent a car when they go to Columbia. Dude, shut

2179
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:41,480
Speaker 1: the fuck up. That's the worst idea you could ever have. Colombian.

2180
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 1: I have been in Egyptian traffic, right. I have sat

2181
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:49,639
Speaker 1: through that. I have been in traffic in Istanbul. Right.

2182
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 1: I've been in traffic in various parts of Europe, all

2183
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 1: over the United States. I have never in my life

2184
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:59,439
Speaker 1: seen driving and traffic like you get in Colombia and

2185
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 1: more not even the traffic, just the driving. Dude. There's

2186
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 1: painted lanes, we're supposed to stay in. None of that

2187
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 1: shit means anything. They are in and out, They'll go

2188
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 1: the wrong way down the road. They'll move into the

2189
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 1: opposite side of the road just to get around. There's

2190
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:21,080
Speaker 1: people on bicycles you drive far enough outside the city,

2191
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:23,599
Speaker 1: you got to drive around people on donkeys. That's a

2192
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:26,240
Speaker 1: real thing that has happened to me. I'm not doing

2193
01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 1: a bit on this whatsoever. The infrastructure can be better

2194
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:31,960
Speaker 1: or worse depending on where you go. Do you remember

2195
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:34,759
Speaker 1: the first time, b see, you ever went and sat

2196
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 1: in a New York City cab and you couldn't believe

2197
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 1: how much you were risking your life by all the

2198
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:40,560
Speaker 1: fucking turns.

2199
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 2: My future health and hygiene. Yeah, a few times, Luke, Yeah.

2200
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 1: Dude, it's that on steroids. They will borderline hit each other.

2201
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 1: The rules don't mean anything. Red lights don't mean anything,

2202
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:55,759
Speaker 1: green lights don't mean anything, stop signs don't mean anything.

2203
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 1: Nothing means anything other than getting from point A to

2204
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:04,439
Speaker 1: point B. Let an experienced driver do this for you.

2205
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 1: And by the way, it's easy to hire drivers, Like

2206
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:08,679
Speaker 1: if you want to go from not just cabs or whatever,

2207
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:10,639
Speaker 1: but if you want to go from like city to city,

2208
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:13,080
Speaker 1: like a nearby thing or even the suburb, it's super

2209
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 1: cheap to hire someone who will just be your driver

2210
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 1: for the day. It'll cost you, Like, how much would

2211
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 1: we pay that guy? We paid him seventy thousand pesos?

2212
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:22,840
Speaker 1: What was that. That's basically I paid him less than

2213
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 1: twenty bucks for a full day of driving, full day

2214
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:28,559
Speaker 1: of driving, and this motherfucker is going I mean, he's

2215
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 1: going around donkeys.

2216
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:33,040
Speaker 2: He's trying to Luca to you at all. No, no, no, no,

2217
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 2: you can get the cab drivers do.

2218
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, some guys like that exist, but there are real

2219
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 1: dudes who do the real job the right way. I'm

2220
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:42,599
Speaker 1: just warning you, dumbasses. I cannot tell you how many

2221
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:44,320
Speaker 1: Americans like I'm gonna rent a car and go see

2222
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:46,800
Speaker 1: the countryside. This ain't Tuscany.

2223
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 2: Don't do that. So we had a family vacation book

2224
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 2: three years ago that we ended up having to cancel

2225
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 2: because of changes in our schedule, and it was to

2226
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:56,320
Speaker 2: go to Costa Rica and stay in the mountains. And

2227
01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 2: the plan was to fly there, drive two hours to

2228
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 2: the coastal city, and then climb these massive mountains in

2229
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 2: a four wheel drive. And I remember thinking like that,

2230
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 2: this is going to be the end of me. But

2231
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:06,800
Speaker 2: wouldn't it been fine?

2232
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:09,400
Speaker 1: Look, I don't know Costa Rica. I can't say. I'm

2233
01:44:09,439 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 1: sure all parts of Latin America are not the same

2234
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:13,880
Speaker 1: in that way, because, for example, like Cartahana does not

2235
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 1: have the same kind of traffic that other places do.

2236
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:20,720
Speaker 1: But don't fucking drive is the answer. Don't drive. Don't drive. Hey,

2237
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna drive. Don't do that. Don't recommend that at all.

2238
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:27,400
Speaker 1: That's a real bad idea. That's number one. Number two

2239
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:30,840
Speaker 1: carry cash. Now that sounds counterintuitive. You're like, oh, I

2240
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:35,559
Speaker 1: might get scammed. No, dude, you'll get scammed not carrying cash.

2241
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 1: It works the other way around. So when you get

2242
01:44:38,240 --> 01:44:40,400
Speaker 1: in a cab, for example, BC, do you think they

2243
01:44:40,439 --> 01:44:43,200
Speaker 1: have meters. They don't have meters. And when you go

2244
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:46,960
Speaker 1: to pay twenty thousand pesos, they can't break your change

2245
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 1: if you if you have a car, they can't take it.

2246
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:51,160
Speaker 1: And be if you only have a twenty thous or

2247
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 1: let's they only have a fifty, they can't break it.

2248
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:56,360
Speaker 1: They can't break it at all. So then they drive

2249
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 1: you around to a place who can break it. And

2250
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,240
Speaker 1: now it costs even more. It's still pretty cheap the way,

2251
01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:02,360
Speaker 1: because the dollar is strong as fuck. But the point

2252
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 1: being is, here's my recommendation. If you are going to

2253
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 1: travel to a place like this, take out three hundred

2254
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 1: thousand pasos from the ATM. It's about eighty four dollars.

2255
01:45:11,800 --> 01:45:15,720
Speaker 1: This will carry you so fucking far I cannot overstate it.

2256
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:17,920
Speaker 1: And also there's a bit of like a sad part

2257
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:20,200
Speaker 1: to this story as well. There are these guys who

2258
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, who will sell like you know, the toys

2259
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:24,719
Speaker 1: that light up when you turn them for like little

2260
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 1: kids or whatever. This guy sold me one it was

2261
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:30,600
Speaker 1: it was forty thousand pesos and all I had was

2262
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 1: a fifty. All he had to give me back was ten.

2263
01:45:32,479 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 1: He had no change, he had no money to break. So,

2264
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:37,160
Speaker 1: like the one I'm trying to make here is a

2265
01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: lot of these people are living hand to mouth and

2266
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 1: like don't have the actual ability to give you change. Also,

2267
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 1: the dudes and the dudes at stop lights who come

2268
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:49,240
Speaker 1: and like poorshit on your windshield and then and then

2269
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:51,800
Speaker 1: wash it. You can't just tell those guys to fuck

2270
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 1: off because they won't, like they're not going to listen

2271
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 1: to you. So you got to have like a couple

2272
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 1: thousand to like chuck them, you know, to keep everything,

2273
01:45:58,160 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 1: you got to keep the system working.

2274
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:02,200
Speaker 2: You ever try the opposite, though, did you ever try

2275
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:04,760
Speaker 2: to tell them to f off? And like, you know,

2276
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 2: I will third world?

2277
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:09,360
Speaker 1: So I asked my wife why we don't. And basically

2278
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:12,080
Speaker 1: the cab driver was like, not a good idea. That's

2279
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 1: exactly what he said. He's like, not a good idea,

2280
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:17,120
Speaker 1: don't do that. So like if native people are like,

2281
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:19,960
Speaker 1: we don't do that, I'm gonna listen to them now.

2282
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 1: Of course, the flip side is if you go to

2283
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 1: a nice restaurant, if you go to a nice place,

2284
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:25,720
Speaker 1: of course all of them take cards. All hotels, all

2285
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:29,040
Speaker 1: travel agencies, you know, all those places all take cards.

2286
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:30,599
Speaker 1: Like you don't have to worry about it. But I

2287
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 1: cannot overstate this. Do not rely on that you will

2288
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:37,040
Speaker 1: end up in trouble or just getting scammed out of

2289
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:39,160
Speaker 1: your shit, Like it's gonna happen now.

2290
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:42,599
Speaker 2: From the skits and bits files of nothing, a double

2291
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:45,679
Speaker 2: leg couldn't figure out if shit turned the wrong way

2292
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:48,719
Speaker 2: for you there, as a gringo traveler, would you rely

2293
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:52,959
Speaker 2: on your background in jesuits to nullify the situation?

2294
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 1: No, it ain't worth it. You can have it. I'm

2295
01:46:56,360 --> 01:46:59,040
Speaker 1: not dying because some poor kid hasn't eaten in a day.

2296
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:01,000
Speaker 2: Okay, But if you're in let's say you're in it,

2297
01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:03,800
Speaker 2: because sometimes you're just in it, lukey, you're in it?

2298
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:05,880
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, if you're being attacked, then yes,

2299
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:09,520
Speaker 1: you should defend yourself. But like if someone pulled a gun.

2300
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 2: Would you Mackenzi teene some guy, just to prove that

2301
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:14,360
Speaker 2: that time was well spent.

2302
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 1: Only if I absolutely had to, Only if I absolutely

2303
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:18,920
Speaker 1: had to. Yeah, And it sounds like I'm telling you

2304
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:20,639
Speaker 1: that Columbia, so I'm like, super dangerous, hell hole. That's

2305
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 1: not what I mean. I just mean you got to

2306
01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:25,280
Speaker 1: learn how to travel smartly. You gotta learn how to

2307
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:28,440
Speaker 1: travel safe. I've literally, in ten years of going to Columbia,

2308
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 1: I've never one time had an issue. But I also

2309
01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:33,439
Speaker 1: don't do dumb shit when I go. I keep it

2310
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:36,160
Speaker 1: straight and orderly. Right, So there you go. Number three.

2311
01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:38,519
Speaker 1: This is the good part and the bad part. Here's

2312
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:42,439
Speaker 1: a story for you. BC music is everywhere, now ninety

2313
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:45,840
Speaker 1: nine percent of this is a wonderful thing. If you

2314
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 1: get in your car, by the way, no one plays

2315
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 1: like reggaeton there, Like it's in public you just don't

2316
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:53,679
Speaker 1: ever hear you hear it in the clubs or whatever

2317
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 1: or in bars. But in the cab they're playing something

2318
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 1: called like vaginato, which is like, do I explain that

2319
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:03,879
Speaker 1: it's like a folk style R and B or something.

2320
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:07,040
Speaker 1: It's like love songs for like country people or whatever.

2321
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 1: In any case, it's everywhere in every town square, everywhere

2322
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:15,679
Speaker 1: you go, every restaurant, every bar, everything, and music is everywhere.

2323
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:17,679
Speaker 1: It's a huge part of the culture and you should

2324
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:21,120
Speaker 1: lean into that and enjoy it because it's such a

2325
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 1: wonderful part of going there. It's new music you've never heard,

2326
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:29,040
Speaker 1: live performances everywhere. It's fantastic. But BC, there's a limit

2327
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:36,160
Speaker 1: to that. Shit dog At pools and at beaches, it

2328
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:39,320
Speaker 1: will drive you fucking insane what they pull. Someone will

2329
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:42,600
Speaker 1: show up to the pool with a big ass bluetooth

2330
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:45,719
Speaker 1: and without any permission. By the way, they'll be signs

2331
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:47,439
Speaker 1: that's saying like don't use your bluetooth. They'll just do

2332
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:51,439
Speaker 1: it anyway, and they'll play music loud as fuck that

2333
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:54,880
Speaker 1: you never asked for, and everyone just seems to tolerate it.

2334
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:56,680
Speaker 1: And I'll make a point. People are like, oh, if

2335
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:58,479
Speaker 1: you're going to another country, you have to tolerate their

2336
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,880
Speaker 1: ways well to a point. Up to a point. Here's

2337
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:04,360
Speaker 1: a perfect example. My wife and I took Tuki to

2338
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 1: the beach. There was this dude going up and down

2339
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:09,240
Speaker 1: the beach on his bike. But there's always people trying

2340
01:49:09,240 --> 01:49:10,720
Speaker 1: to hustle you on the beach there, right, It's just

2341
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:12,439
Speaker 1: always a thing. So you have to learn how to

2342
01:49:12,439 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 1: say nogadasa.

2343
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 2: You're the worst Chamber of Commerce member in Colombia history.

2344
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:20,160
Speaker 1: Right now, No listen to me. There was a dude

2345
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 1: rolling around on his bike, had a bluetooth speaker, I'm

2346
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:25,880
Speaker 1: not kidding, like this big, and he would rent it

2347
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:28,640
Speaker 1: out to people who ever wanted it. The couple in

2348
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:30,400
Speaker 1: the beach tent next to us and they're all right

2349
01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 1: next to each other, turned it on, rented it from

2350
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:34,679
Speaker 1: the guy. It's like twenty thousand pacos for an hour,

2351
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:38,560
Speaker 1: like nothing like five bucks and played, i mean mariachi

2352
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:41,599
Speaker 1: music that you could have heard from space dog, that's

2353
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:46,120
Speaker 1: how fucking loud it was. Even my wife, who's Colombian

2354
01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 1: as shit, looked at me and was like, let's go.

2355
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:52,519
Speaker 1: Even my wife did that. So warning to everybody, however

2356
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 1: you want to handle it, you can handle You can

2357
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:55,719
Speaker 1: ask them to turn down. They're gonna say day my lass,

2358
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:58,840
Speaker 1: like too bad, it's not gonna work. The music is

2359
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 1: everywhere and all almost every time. It's not only great,

2360
01:50:02,160 --> 01:50:04,880
Speaker 1: it's charming and it's fucking awesome. But there are gonna

2361
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:07,040
Speaker 1: be some limits to that as well. You should be

2362
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:08,000
Speaker 1: forewarned about it.

2363
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:10,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm no limits soldier, just so.

2364
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, no limit soldiers. I mean, By the way, this

2365
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 1: lady next to me at the pool had one phone

2366
01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 1: that was playing a religious service like oh ds take

2367
01:50:18,280 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 1: abend guy, like this whole shit, you know. And then

2368
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:25,519
Speaker 1: on another phone she was doing FaceTime calls, yelling over

2369
01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:29,160
Speaker 1: the service on the other phone, and then she laid

2370
01:50:29,200 --> 01:50:32,840
Speaker 1: down and obviously the FaceTime call finish, she just let

2371
01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:36,200
Speaker 1: on speaker the religious service play while she laid down.

2372
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:38,200
Speaker 1: Eventually fell asleep and turned off. But this is what

2373
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. You have to be ready for shit

2374
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 1: like that. It's like it's it's in your face.

2375
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 2: So far, this segment has been more offensive to Latin

2376
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:47,559
Speaker 2: people than the gringo poppy no no, no.

2377
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 1: No, I can't like. For example, here's the best side

2378
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:51,640
Speaker 1: of it, right, you go to the town square. We

2379
01:50:51,680 --> 01:50:54,639
Speaker 1: saw this old gentleman playing guitar who was playing Buena

2380
01:50:54,680 --> 01:50:57,439
Speaker 1: Vista Social Club, which is like human music. Dude. It

2381
01:50:57,640 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 1: was amazing. It was amazing to see and like the

2382
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:04,599
Speaker 1: street performances in Kartagena where we had like, they'll marry

2383
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:07,120
Speaker 1: it with dancers, They'll have big bands out of nowhere. Dude,

2384
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:09,760
Speaker 1: I cannot overstate how awesome that part is. But there's

2385
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:12,439
Speaker 1: always two sides to it. Right in any system, people

2386
01:51:12,479 --> 01:51:15,400
Speaker 1: are gonna go too far. Right, they're gonna go too far.

2387
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 1: So just a heads up on that. And by the way,

2388
01:51:17,400 --> 01:51:19,719
Speaker 1: this is just for Americans to stay out of trouble,

2389
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:22,280
Speaker 1: not to get into it. Okay. Four, here's the good news.

2390
01:51:22,479 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 1: Eat all the things. Can't can't tell you enough how

2391
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:30,439
Speaker 1: good the food is, including street food. It is the

2392
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:32,160
Speaker 1: best I put up. I sent Mikey. I don't know

2393
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:34,639
Speaker 1: if he has it. I send him a picture. Look

2394
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:36,920
Speaker 1: at this meal that I had. On the left, you

2395
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:39,759
Speaker 1: have a shrimp and lobster stew that had been cooking

2396
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 1: for like forty five minutes, with a top layer of

2397
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:45,840
Speaker 1: cheese that they baked. It's called there's a only kind

2398
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 1: of soup you can get in our stew in Cartagena.

2399
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:51,400
Speaker 1: It's called a cosuela. On the right, you have coconut

2400
01:51:51,479 --> 01:51:54,320
Speaker 1: rice and you have fried plantains. Up top is a

2401
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:56,840
Speaker 1: kind of like a sour cream. They call sutro and

2402
01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:58,920
Speaker 1: the right there is this cocktail sauce they call ahi.

2403
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:01,200
Speaker 1: It's a special kind of aqui. It's a Caribbean i hete,

2404
01:52:01,320 --> 01:52:05,200
Speaker 1: and then a bunch of limes. Okay, BC, I'm not exaggerating.

2405
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:08,679
Speaker 1: It's a top five meal I have ever had in

2406
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:12,680
Speaker 1: my life. In my life, the seafood, if you're on

2407
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:15,400
Speaker 1: you gotta eat regionally. If you're in the mountains, eat

2408
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:17,080
Speaker 1: what they eat in the mountains. If you're on the sea,

2409
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:18,920
Speaker 1: eat what they eat in the sea. Wherever you are,

2410
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:23,600
Speaker 1: eat relative to that region. The food in Colombia is

2411
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:26,719
Speaker 1: a ten out of ten. That meal one of the

2412
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:30,599
Speaker 1: very best meals I've ever had in my life. Don't

2413
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:33,599
Speaker 1: be the gringo that goes to fucking Burger King, Mikey.

2414
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:37,200
Speaker 1: Don't be the guy who goes to all the American

2415
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:39,519
Speaker 1: joints and just gets the ship that they're used to.

2416
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:42,040
Speaker 1: If you're gonna go to this place, you gotta lean

2417
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:44,880
Speaker 1: in the food, will do you right?

2418
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:48,400
Speaker 2: Cannot state that quietly, Mike, He's not going to continue

2419
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 2: to take that slight quietly. All right, Yeah, yeah, I'll

2420
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:53,840
Speaker 2: get you.

2421
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:57,320
Speaker 1: Let me add a number five here. We don't have it.

2422
01:52:57,400 --> 01:52:59,840
Speaker 1: We have a different number. Five, But let me add

2423
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 1: a five. Here's another. Do if, especially if you're a guy,

2424
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,200
Speaker 1: but even if you're a girl as well, do get

2425
01:53:05,200 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 1: a haircut. Do not be afraid at all of getting

2426
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:12,639
Speaker 1: a haircut or trimming or getting your hair done. First

2427
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:14,720
Speaker 1: of all, it's dirt cheap. You can get your beer

2428
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:17,280
Speaker 1: trimmed and a haircut for like twenty thousand pesos like

2429
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:21,439
Speaker 1: five bucks, like nothing, and it is expert level good.

2430
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:23,840
Speaker 1: You've never gone to one of these places and seen

2431
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:26,600
Speaker 1: anyone that works there with a bad haircut. And by

2432
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:28,680
Speaker 1: the way, you can just walk on in, show them

2433
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:32,320
Speaker 1: a picture. You don't need any English do so many

2434
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:34,200
Speaker 1: places you travel to you're like, I don't know if

2435
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:37,800
Speaker 1: I trust this person. Trust these people. They know what

2436
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:40,719
Speaker 1: they're doing when it comes to getting a great haircut.

2437
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:43,960
Speaker 1: It's cheap, it's easy to get they're everywhere, They're in

2438
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:46,439
Speaker 1: every mall, They're in every place you could ever go

2439
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 1: to get a haircut, the best thing you could possibly do.

2440
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:51,519
Speaker 1: And also want adnd them to that. BC. I don't

2441
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 1: know how you'll feel about this. Shopping malls in Columbia

2442
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:58,479
Speaker 1: are still like a thing, Like it's still it's still

2443
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:00,519
Speaker 1: well a place where people go to. It still all

2444
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:03,439
Speaker 1: the best like things you can buy are It's still

2445
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 1: like they're still happening there in ways we're I think

2446
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:09,080
Speaker 1: in America they've somewhat declined no over there. Like if

2447
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:10,679
Speaker 1: someone's like, oh, let's go to the mall to eat,

2448
01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:12,840
Speaker 1: that's a good idea. The food court there will be

2449
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:15,439
Speaker 1: very very very very good. Sure, some kind of thing,

2450
01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:17,080
Speaker 1: all right, last, but not least. And this is just

2451
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:20,639
Speaker 1: for my gringo folks, right, Okay, please don't wear cargo pants.

2452
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:24,480
Speaker 1: I mean you're just asking, you're just asking for problems.

2453
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:27,599
Speaker 1: I mean, nothing is more gringo than showing up and

2454
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:31,240
Speaker 1: wearing cargo pants. The Europeans do this too, by the way,

2455
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:33,600
Speaker 1: they show up in the backpack. Dude. I'm not saying

2456
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:36,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna get anything super bad happen to you, but

2457
01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:39,200
Speaker 1: people are gonna know you're not from around there, and

2458
01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:41,080
Speaker 1: that's gonna make things a little bit harder to negotiate

2459
01:54:41,080 --> 01:54:44,440
Speaker 1: with price and blah blah blah, BC, do not wear

2460
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:47,280
Speaker 1: cargo pants whenever you visit the Great STATEA or the

2461
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:47,760
Speaker 1: Great Country.

2462
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:50,360
Speaker 2: I should say I'll bring a different color pair for

2463
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:52,760
Speaker 2: every day. Luke I was surprised you didn't have number six.

2464
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:54,720
Speaker 2: Do not knock it in your own goal in the

2465
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:56,360
Speaker 2: World Cup? Or did I break up?

2466
01:54:56,720 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we doing here? He's talking about

2467
01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:03,640
Speaker 1: national trauma, Okay, But in all seriousness, I'm telling you,

2468
01:55:03,800 --> 01:55:06,000
Speaker 1: if you don't drive, hire someone to do it. If

2469
01:55:06,040 --> 01:55:08,320
Speaker 1: you got enough cash on you thirty three hundred thousand

2470
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:11,400
Speaker 1: pastos for the week, enjoy the music wherever it is.

2471
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:12,880
Speaker 1: But know there might be some limits for you as

2472
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:15,080
Speaker 1: an American that you're not used to eat all the

2473
01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:18,280
Speaker 1: good food, get a haircut, and don't wear cargo pants

2474
01:55:18,280 --> 01:55:20,760
Speaker 1: like a fuckhead. You're going to have the time of

2475
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:23,080
Speaker 1: your life. I've been going for ten years. The people

2476
01:55:23,120 --> 01:55:25,280
Speaker 1: of Columbia are some of the nicest people in the world.

2477
01:55:25,320 --> 01:55:27,280
Speaker 1: It's one of the best places to see. It's quicker

2478
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:28,520
Speaker 1: to get here from the East Coast than it is

2479
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:31,440
Speaker 1: to get to California. Go see it. Just do it smartly.

2480
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:32,440
Speaker 1: Those are your tips.

2481
01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:35,720
Speaker 2: It's like, eat everything every salad. I mean, just you

2482
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:39,360
Speaker 2: know BBL heaven Luke with sixty.

2483
01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:41,640
Speaker 1: Percent people they say they'd rather travel with BC. Yeah,

2484
01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:43,520
Speaker 1: you're going to go to lame ass places and do l.

2485
01:55:43,600 --> 01:55:45,600
Speaker 2: As shit then, But they're going to have the best

2486
01:55:45,640 --> 01:55:48,320
Speaker 2: possible time, Luke. They won't be lectured the whole time.

2487
01:55:48,160 --> 01:55:48,960
Speaker 1: All right, that's true.

2488
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:52,520
Speaker 2: I will do a lot large educated, sophisticated man. So

2489
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:57,040
Speaker 2: thank you for the Gringos guide to Columbia, and I

2490
01:55:57,120 --> 01:55:59,760
Speaker 2: will have a similar one about qbec No, just kidding.

2491
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:01,880
Speaker 2: I did love me some kback, Luke. But the food

2492
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 2: there will kill you. It will slowly kill you. This

2493
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:07,600
Speaker 2: is why heart diseases in my family. I blame the

2494
01:56:07,680 --> 01:56:10,760
Speaker 2: kbec Quah. That's the show for you, probably the best

2495
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:13,800
Speaker 2: two hours of your week or your money back because

2496
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:16,680
Speaker 2: you know great price that we offer here. You can

2497
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:18,720
Speaker 2: spend a lot to ask a question on Luke's live

2498
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:22,160
Speaker 2: chat on Thursdays. And remember that Cameo dot com slash

2499
01:56:22,240 --> 01:56:25,040
Speaker 2: Brian Campbell is the is the ultimate. I mean only

2500
01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:27,800
Speaker 2: PIPESPC speaking right, you know that's what I'm talking about.

2501
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:31,840
Speaker 2: No buttholes at all. Just some shout outs coming your way.

2502
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:35,200
Speaker 2: Merch from Morningcombat dot store. You can wear this great

2503
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Speaker 2: dad Trucker hat or you know something awesome and or

2504
01:56:39,640 --> 01:56:41,800
Speaker 2: savior shekels for average Joe. Why don't you just go

2505
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:43,160
Speaker 2: in there and see what we have right now? I

2506
01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:45,360
Speaker 2: think you'd be surprised. I think you would. Great sweatshirts,

2507
01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:48,480
Speaker 2: great everything, Luke Thomas. I also love Showtime and that'd

2508
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:50,800
Speaker 2: be thirty days free. What do you think people should

2509
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 2: do at the end of the month after they went

2510
01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:56,040
Speaker 2: to showtime dot com and its sampled everything? Right, eat everything,

2511
01:56:56,120 --> 01:56:59,160
Speaker 2: eat that ass, Luke. Okay on Showtime dot com right there?

2512
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:00,960
Speaker 2: What should they do if they don't like it after

2513
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:01,600
Speaker 2: thirty days?

2514
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:03,560
Speaker 1: They can go pound sand but either way they should

2515
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:08,000
Speaker 1: also vote for the World MMA Awards. Uh World MMA Awards,

2516
01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:11,800
Speaker 1: that's plural dot com Best MMA Programming. For watching on YouTube,

2517
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:14,720
Speaker 1: go hit the QR code or listening on the podcast

2518
01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:17,600
Speaker 1: platforms Worldmema Awards dot Com.

2519
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:20,040
Speaker 2: Luke, I want you to know and tell you to

2520
01:57:20,120 --> 01:57:22,800
Speaker 2: your face that I cheated on you yesterday and recorded

2521
01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:26,000
Speaker 2: with Jed Meshu because he's got this show. Damn. They

2522
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:27,560
Speaker 2: were hot and he's like, you want to come on

2523
01:57:27,640 --> 01:57:29,760
Speaker 2: the Yuanna episode and we'll look back at her career,

2524
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:32,200
Speaker 2: and I'm like, my partner would never let me do that.

2525
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:34,080
Speaker 2: So Luke I was there and I was looking it.

2526
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:36,440
Speaker 1: Okay, did you guys bank We.

2527
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:38,680
Speaker 2: Kind of did. Mike kech was the referee. It was great. Yeah,

2528
01:57:38,680 --> 01:57:40,760
Speaker 2: we got you know whatever. You're like, it's like real

2529
01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:42,800
Speaker 2: number one in an orgy, no eye contact, right, that's

2530
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:44,080
Speaker 2: always you know, that's always it.

2531
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:46,720
Speaker 1: What happened? So I saw some comedian on TikTok asked this,

2532
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:48,720
Speaker 1: He's like, what happens if you finished first in an orgy?

2533
01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 1: You just got to stand around and watch? You know?

2534
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's getting pretty gross. Yeah, yeah, I saw.

2535
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:55,720
Speaker 2: So did you see that theo Von clip on Instagram

2536
01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:57,880
Speaker 2: where you interviewed that guy who said that if you

2537
01:57:58,040 --> 01:58:00,360
Speaker 2: died in your house and the authorities didn't mind you

2538
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:02,920
Speaker 2: that cat, your cats would eat you within twenty four

2539
01:58:02,920 --> 01:58:05,200
Speaker 2: hours and the dogs would wait a few weeks because

2540
01:58:05,200 --> 01:58:05,920
Speaker 2: they love you more.

2541
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:07,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how true that is.

2542
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:10,520
Speaker 2: He said that the cats will eat your brain within

2543
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:13,000
Speaker 2: twenty four hours, and I can't stop that image in

2544
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:14,800
Speaker 2: my mind. I can't stop right now. I might be

2545
01:58:15,000 --> 01:58:16,800
Speaker 2: I'm a little defensive when I see Zoe because I

2546
01:58:16,840 --> 01:58:19,600
Speaker 2: know I'm gonna get clawed and a bit because she's

2547
01:58:19,640 --> 01:58:23,040
Speaker 2: an aggressive, like basic instinct level lover luke and I

2548
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:24,680
Speaker 2: can't train it out of her because I don't really

2549
01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:27,760
Speaker 2: speak cat. But uh yeah, that's what's happening.

2550
01:58:28,360 --> 01:58:30,040
Speaker 1: I hope your cat slashes your face.

2551
01:58:30,360 --> 01:58:35,160
Speaker 2: That's what's going on, Luke, nothing's right. I'm torn. Yeah

2552
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:37,720
Speaker 2: that was Luke Thomas. This is your boy BC Mikey

2553
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:40,800
Speaker 2: Mormle with our great CBS producer. I'm the ones and twos.

2554
01:58:41,480 --> 01:58:44,040
Speaker 2: I don't no live show this weekend, but we'll be

2555
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:45,760
Speaker 2: back with a bang come Monday, right, Luke.

2556
01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna try and do a post

2557
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:49,320
Speaker 1: fight show tomorrow, but I don't think.

2558
01:58:49,240 --> 01:58:49,880
Speaker 2: It's all work.

2559
01:58:50,240 --> 01:58:51,800
Speaker 1: You should no, no, no, no, I don't want to like

2560
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:54,280
Speaker 1: get the fans hopes up. I'm gonna try, but like

2561
01:58:54,360 --> 01:58:55,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough.

2562
01:58:55,200 --> 01:58:56,960
Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough, I will say, Luke. I mean

2563
01:58:57,000 --> 01:59:01,000
Speaker 2: this Tyler Santo's Aaron Blanchfield fight. I can't freaking wait.

2564
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:03,120
Speaker 2: That's the biggest fight of the weekend. I can't wait.

2565
01:59:04,840 --> 01:59:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree. That's the one I care the

2566
01:59:06,520 --> 01:59:08,040
Speaker 1: most about too, I would agree.

2567
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the future is going to be at Steak right

2568
01:59:10,600 --> 01:59:12,200
Speaker 2: in front of us. We're going to see it. One

2569
01:59:12,280 --> 01:59:16,240
Speaker 2: tis wild next week Rose versus Manal. Look, this can

2570
01:59:16,280 --> 01:59:21,320
Speaker 2: be great next week. Yeah, it shit's happening. It's happening listen,

2571
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:23,160
Speaker 2: or is it the week after Mike, You am I wrong.

2572
01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:28,800
Speaker 2: I think that's next week, bro isn't wait so and

2573
01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:30,560
Speaker 2: I think the week after that is a pay per

2574
01:59:30,640 --> 01:59:31,040
Speaker 2: view with.

2575
01:59:31,160 --> 01:59:33,480
Speaker 1: His pay per view view is a little.

2576
01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:36,720
Speaker 2: That's my newer. Yeah, that's that's uh, that's that's she

2577
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:38,880
Speaker 2: she i. Uh yeah, there you go.

2578
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:39,160
Speaker 1: Luke.

2579
01:59:39,200 --> 01:59:42,280
Speaker 2: Okay, that's it. Thank you everybody for watching this show.

2580
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:44,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just so much fun to be your host,

2581
01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:48,080
Speaker 2: your co host here Luke with the jazz hands out's interesting,

2582
01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:50,640
Speaker 2: but uh, you know, tip your waitresses, take care of

2583
01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:55,080
Speaker 2: your brain, take it seriously. Next week for Rose, Wow, wow,

2584
01:59:55,160 --> 01:59:57,680
Speaker 2: things are happening quick gone Rose. A lot of France

2585
01:59:57,720 --> 02:00:00,560
Speaker 2: happening next week. That's Luke Thomas. I'm your boy, BC.

2586
02:00:00,760 --> 02:00:03,000
Speaker 2: We love you and we are out of here. Uh

2587
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:05,680
Speaker 2: you know, pose, loyalty, all that great stuff. Thank you,

2588
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:09,000
Speaker 2: j Piquette, Happy anniversary. All right, that's it. That's it, Mike,