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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast presented by New Era. My name

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Speaker 1: is Dan Hansas joined in a room filled with some heroes,

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Speaker 1: Mark Cesler and Chris Westling thou kissing cousins, some boys. Hey, Dan,

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Speaker 1: do you see yourself achieving any anything approaching Hall of

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Speaker 1: seven years. Uh. This is the Thursday edition of the

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Speaker 1: Round the NFL podcast, presented by New Era And because

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Team NFL Fantasy Live podcast. He is stronghold, the stronghold.

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Speaker 1: He announced with great fanfare on Twitter that he was

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Speaker 1: who sit up there are are not able to do.

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Speaker 1: It's a totally different situation. Speaking of Tony Romo, he

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Speaker 1: was on our air waves. Uh is it some golf

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Speaker 1: tournament that's a Tony Romo does air waves? I basically

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Speaker 1: assire you angry. I just assume. I'm not even mad

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Speaker 1: about it, But I just assume at any time when

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Speaker 1: Tony Romo is not in a broadcast booth or sleeping,

435
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Speaker 1: he's at a golf course. You're not wrong. Maybe if

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Speaker 1: you hear a little tension in my voice. I'm not

437
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Speaker 1: even a big golf guy, but I'm a little jealous.

438
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Speaker 1: It seems like a good way to live your life.

439
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: And he's a millionaire and better looking to me and

440
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Speaker 1: everything seems to be going Tony Romo's way and retire. Wait,

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Speaker 1: you were very pro Tony Romo last season. Something that's

442
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Speaker 1: got under your skin here, You're I don't really the

443
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Speaker 1: hero worship for Romo is a little bit on my

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Speaker 1: radar heading into that's all what I mean? Do you

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Speaker 1: disagree with the notion? Did he really already is giving

446
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Speaker 1: us something we've never gotten from a football and I

447
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: think he's excellent. I love it. I was in on

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Speaker 1: the ground floor with Tony Romo. But the man is

449
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Speaker 1: not Jesus Christ. That's all I'm saying. In general, when

450
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Speaker 1: anyone's getting too much praise, even if the Iron Mark don't,

451
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Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting he is. You like praise to be

452
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Speaker 1: limited to a few people, not everyone jumping on the

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Speaker 1: Romo bandwag and is what I'm talking about. Everyone now

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Speaker 1: pretends like they always saw Tony Romo as a talent

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Speaker 1: that could thrive. I feel like you just wanted them

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Speaker 1: like a chink in the armor. You want him to

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Speaker 1: have some sort of gaff on air that that that

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Speaker 1: bring him back, maybe to get some jump off the train. Okay, Anyway,

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Speaker 1: people are more interesting when they have flow. This went

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Speaker 1: somewhere I did not expect. On on our air waves,

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Speaker 1: Tony Romo, with the great friend of the Around the

462
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Speaker 1: NFL podcast, Lindsay Rhodes, had this prediction about the Super

463
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Speaker 1: Bowl in Atlanta this year. It's pretty early think about

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Speaker 1: the NFL is things changed pretty fast. Injuries happen, a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff happens. But I was picking right now,

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Speaker 1: I'd probably go with Green Bay versus Jacksonville. I think

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Speaker 1: that would be just a tentative rough yes here in

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Speaker 1: in the summer months. Uh, fair enough? At which lad, then,

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Speaker 1: of course, what else are you gonna do? Uh? NFL

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Speaker 1: dot com has a prominent former quarterback and media star

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Speaker 1: make a prediction. It's splashed across the front of NFL

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Speaker 1: dot um and with the image of Aaron Rodgers and

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Speaker 1: then Blake Bortles, and I'm like, wow, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: is this really gonna happen? Come on, you should have

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Speaker 1: done it was Aaron Rodgers and Jalen Ramsey, because that

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Speaker 1: would be the better story. Aaron Rodgers going head to

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Speaker 1: head department they do it, and really everyone at this

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Speaker 1: Comp'm on my way out. I can you know here,

479
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Speaker 1: But just the idea of Blake Boarders playing in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Let's just say the user is not buying it.

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Speaker 1: It was like five minutes away from happening last year.

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Speaker 1: I know, great Stephan Gilmour tipped pass away from possibly

483
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Speaker 1: having him. Well, how about not how about not buying

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Speaker 1: the Packers. I understand it's the most logical thing on

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Speaker 1: the planet, but it's like every summer percent of football

486
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Speaker 1: analysts picked the Packers to go to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Hasn't happened in almost Are a die hard, born and

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Speaker 1: bred Packers fan? Do you have the same confidence as

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Speaker 1: many people in the football gun sent I mean, if

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers plays for sixteen games or close to it,

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Speaker 1: we've seen they're going to at least be in the mix.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of times with the NFL, it just

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Speaker 1: matters is getting to the post. I wrote a piece

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Speaker 1: saying that they will go to the playoffs. So that's happening.

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Speaker 1: You're fine, everyone's going to the rank grow at the

496
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Speaker 1: other sixteen where series is the Patriots. We are creeping

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Speaker 1: towards the final chapter. I will be filing the Patriots

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Speaker 1: piece short, Lindsey, can you make a note that when

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Speaker 1: the Patriots pieces filed We're going to do a whole

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Speaker 1: segment on it. Uh, I don't think everything was gonna

501
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Speaker 1: add is. Maybe why there is more confidence this year

502
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: is because Teflon Don Caper's is no longer there, and

503
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the grass is always greener. But

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Speaker 1: the early reports are a lot of the players are

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Speaker 1: really uh into Mike Pett and his philosophy, his schemes

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Speaker 1: a little easier to understand. They've had an influx of

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Speaker 1: young talent that a lot of people were really high on.

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Speaker 1: They've got the Mohammed Wilkerson reclamation project as well. So

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Speaker 1: perhaps Aaron Rodgers, I think perhaps he doesn't get bounce

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs when his defense gives up forty some

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Speaker 1: points as we've seen you catch that trope alert in there.

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Speaker 1: What his defense is easier to understand? What does that

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Speaker 1: even mean? I do feel like it is. It is

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Speaker 1: a site we don't need to see again. Late January,

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Speaker 1: packers melting on a late Sunday playoff game and and

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Speaker 1: Dom Caper's up in the booth, the hair just staring

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Speaker 1: down at a defense completely dissolving that that will never

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Speaker 1: happen at image haunts my dreams many nights Patton is

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Speaker 1: sort of a bit of a steelier guy. I think

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Speaker 1: we remember we had our who can beat up who

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Speaker 1: coach ranking? She was high up there. Yeah, that was Petton.

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Speaker 1: Patton's number one claimed to fame as an NFL head

523
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Speaker 1: coach is that you could kick the most other NFL coaches.

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Speaker 1: Not much else going on. Pac Man would take him.

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Speaker 1: Probably all right, that's what's happening in the news, Alex

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Speaker 1: galhar We worked with you for what four years? Uh?

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Speaker 1: This is this would be this November would be my

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Speaker 1: sixth year. Unbeliev Probably spend as much time with you

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Speaker 1: and your dad Scott at the Super Boys any two

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Speaker 1: people in the past five He's more popular than I

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Speaker 1: am at the at the NFL, to be completely honest, firefighter.

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Speaker 1: Um So, Alex, We've loved working with you or like

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Speaker 1: one of the nicest guy eyes in the building. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure this this change, yes, it will be something

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Speaker 1: that suits you well. Hopefully some lawyers they wanted. They start,

536
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Speaker 1: they have aspirations of going and making a great difference

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Speaker 1: and they become sort of a monsters. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: evil sits Darth Vader ish. So just please be careful.

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Speaker 1: I'll try to keep that idealism close to my heart

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Speaker 1: and stay away from the darkness. There's a chance we'll

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Speaker 1: need your services. Yeah, please, Dan, we call me as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, whether it's for the insight on the show

543
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Speaker 1: or personal issue. The arc of Dan's career tells me

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Speaker 1: that you will be making money off of Dan for

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Speaker 1: a variety of incidents down the road. That's probably right,

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Speaker 1: So let's stay in touch out absolutely. Alex galehar into

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Speaker 1: the Oh, we'll see him at the garage. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: by later going away? All right, now, it is time

549
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Speaker 1: now that we have um gotten to the point of

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Speaker 1: the summer gentlemen where everyone's about to come report there,

551
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: and we're not there yet. Everybody's still having fun on

552
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Speaker 1: their hovercrafts. There's the jet skis and their nightclubs. Even

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00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: though West doesn't understand why young men in their twenties

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Speaker 1: that have a lot of disposable income and are very

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Speaker 1: desirable to members of the opposite sex, why they would

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Speaker 1: want to be in nightclubs on a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are doing that during this time off. I was shaking

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Speaker 1: my head more at the jet skis um, but that

559
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Speaker 1: will soon be over and everyone will get to camp.

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Speaker 1: So Now as we kind of head towards we really

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Speaker 1: start to spend toward two thousand eighteen, Uh, it is

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Speaker 1: time to check in on both conferences, the f C

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Speaker 1: and the NFC. A hierarchy report where teams stack up,

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Speaker 1: where we see them. Um, as we uh look toward

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Speaker 1: a new season, and Mark, We're gonna start with the

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Speaker 1: a f C and the way we did this UM

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Speaker 1: was Mark, as I uh mentioned at the top of

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Speaker 1: the show, Mark, you will be offering up a breakdown

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Speaker 1: of the American Football Conference. You're gonna say who's got

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Speaker 1: a shot, who's got no shot? In accurate, inaccurate, led

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Speaker 1: on accurate, and then West will chime in with the

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Speaker 1: NFC version. So why don't you get us going, Mr cecil?

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Speaker 1: And we shielded We shielded these lists from you so

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Speaker 1: that you could offer debate if you must write, and

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Speaker 1: obviously West can also debate what you say as well.

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Speaker 1: West is going to agree largely. UM, I'm hoping that

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Speaker 1: the Kissing cousin. Alright, so let's just do this right away.

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Speaker 1: Tier number one, the Big Heavies is what I call

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Speaker 1: Tier number one, Okay, and the Big Heavies are two

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Speaker 1: teams that I think have owned the a f C

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Speaker 1: for a long time. Obviously one as the edge over

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Speaker 1: the other. But that's the Patriots and the Steelers, so

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Speaker 1: right away at odds with Tony Romo in his Jaguars.

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Speaker 1: But interesting, we'll see them soon enough. So the big

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Speaker 1: heavy there you go, Ben obviously is having a laugh

586
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Speaker 1: at somebody's expense. Um, here's right off the bat. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say, West, I don't know if you come down

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Speaker 1: and or if you're in the same garage here. In

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Speaker 1: past years of an exercise like this, we would have

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Speaker 1: the Patriots in their own tier, but you have now

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Speaker 1: put them as essentially co favorites in their conference. Do

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Speaker 1: you you basically have a feeling that the Pats are

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Speaker 1: starting to creep back to the pack. I had them

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Speaker 1: listed above the Steelers, as they should be, But I

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Speaker 1: think there is just a little bit of a variable

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Speaker 1: with Tom Brady's age, not that I doubt him, what

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying to the two thousand nine Brett Farve

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Speaker 1: was marvelous. The two thousand ten Brett Farve was a disaster,

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Speaker 1: like it never is pretty when it ends the final

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Speaker 1: year of Peyton Manning. Although they want a Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: he was an abject disaster in games was bench for

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Speaker 1: brock Osweilers. So I don't see it happening for Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady necessarily that way, but possible. Last year at this time,

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Speaker 1: the Patriots, we were all convinced had the strongest roster

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Speaker 1: in the league. We're talking about them going undefeated. To me,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers have a stronger roster. I'm fine with the

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Speaker 1: Patriots being slightly ahead of them or whatever, because they

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Speaker 1: have Brady and Belichick and that counts for a lot. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: So it's close, but we I think we're all in

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Speaker 1: agreeing with the Hatchet still be seen as the favorite.

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Speaker 1: What's the next tier? Mr Ceciler Tier two, Tier two

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Speaker 1: status quo berserkers, like they could blow up this top

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Speaker 1: tier potentially. The Jaguars were last year. That's what they

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Speaker 1: were last year, and they are this year again. They

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Speaker 1: lead this tier too, status quot berserkers category. The only

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Speaker 1: other team that I put in there right now is

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Speaker 1: the Chargers because A we don't really see them necessarily

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Speaker 1: based on what they did last year as one of

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Speaker 1: these top four teams, but there's a lot of reasons

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Speaker 1: to believe they could be in the a f C

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Speaker 1: is a little bit watered down, and they could have.

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Speaker 1: If everything goes right, they could be one of these

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Speaker 1: teams that vibe for the a f C Championship. Underpoint,

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Speaker 1: when's the last thing everything went right for the Chargers nineteen?

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Speaker 1: Maybe you guys know my feeling on this. Until the

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Speaker 1: Chargers stopped going nine and seven or eight and eight

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Speaker 1: every year, I am not gonna believe it, but maybe

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Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. They could be a berserker

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Speaker 1: if they get I think the most important thing West

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Speaker 1: is and and their kick situation did not allow this

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Speaker 1: to happen, is to get out of the gate fast.

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Speaker 1: If they start three and oh or or even you know,

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Speaker 1: three and one, I could totally see them winning eleven

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Speaker 1: or twelve, but they got to get out of the gates.

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Speaker 1: I totally understand your skepticism and where it's coming from.

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Speaker 1: But of course that same skepticism was directed at a

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Speaker 1: team like the Jaguars last year. Once they proved they're

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Speaker 1: out of the basement, then I believe in them. So

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Speaker 1: to me, the Charges in Jags belong in this category.

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Speaker 1: I think Mark has is bat in a thousand right

641
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: now because they do have They don't like the over praise,

642
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: but I do. I think they have the two strongest

643
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: rosters in that in that conference. Yeah, I think that

644
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: if when I got to the rest of these teams,

645
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: a lot of these teams have flaws. So you know,

646
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: here we go. Tier three could be working a few

647
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: more weeks into January, even if some people inside the building,

648
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: we're planning to take a vacation, maybe two Ibiza or

649
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: Turks and Kikos after week seventeen. Okay, so that all right,

650
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: let me try to translate that. So this is teams

651
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: that they could get hot, could surprise some will make

652
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: a run into the playoffs, but maybe not to the

653
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: end game. But it's gonna surprise a lot of people,

654
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: including people in the own their own building. Well, I mean,

655
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: some of these teams have to make the playoffs because

656
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: there's still two more slots, and I think maybe in

657
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: the building thinking, you know what, we're seven and six

658
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: right now, book that vacation. I don't like where this

659
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: team is going. And then they get hot and you

660
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: have to cancel your plans. So yes, I like team.

661
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: This segment is really about the names of the chip.

662
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: Is that the teams are five teams. The Ravens the Bengals,

663
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 1: the Titans, the Chiefs, and the Texans. I feel like

664
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: the Ravens feel strong to me this year. The Titans

665
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: feel strong. The chief you can't underestimate them because they're

666
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: always there and they're talented. The Texans are a true

667
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: wild card and they are talented with the exception of

668
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Right. The Bengals are the real wild

669
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: card here to me because I like them better than

670
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: most people. But there's a lot of bounce back they

671
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: have to do to get there. Yeah, they need some

672
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: young players to become what they thought they would. What

673
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: was the name of Tier two again? Tier two with

674
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: status quote perserkers? Okay, status quo berserk And who's in

675
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: that tier? That was the Jagson Chargers. Should we start

676
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: from the top. Well, and I'm just saying the Chargers

677
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: status quota okay. I just believe that they could have

678
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: a special I think the Chiefs and Texans, you can

679
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: make a case for both of them being in Tier two,

680
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: that they could be berserkers if things connect. Why whereas

681
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: the other teams you have in Tier three really to

682
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: me have a ceiling that does not put them potentially

683
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: in the final four. I like the Texans a lot

684
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: more than I think. Greg felt like they could be good,

685
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: but they also could be terrible necessarily potentially, like I

686
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: if they play the way they did when they kind

687
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: of got hot with the Shawn Watson if he's all

688
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: the way back. But there's some questions there, what what

689
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: un injury right, and what person of J. J. Watt

690
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: do we get? So it's just there, there's stuff to

691
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: fill in. I don't know how many tiers do you have.

692
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: I suspect there will be many. Uh, And I will

693
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: say that the Chiefs and Texans, if I did this,

694
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: they would be in their own tier because they're so

695
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: boom or bust. That's fair. You you dish the assignment

696
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: off to me, so you have your opportunity to do

697
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: this in tier four. And now this is where we

698
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: get a little bit out of order. I'm not trying

699
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: to order them specifically. If it gets sort of we're

700
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: getting into some strange places. Tier four the effing rest

701
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: of the a f C. East. Okay, because every year,

702
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: how can can you ever possibly topple the Patriots? They're

703
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: they're in the wrong category because the Dolphins, Bills, and Jets.

704
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: I like the Dolphins much more than the other two teams.

705
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: Right now, what are you going to do to win

706
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: that division for once? Especially a light of recent events,

707
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: I think the Bills can be sitting on a two

708
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: and fourteen bomb. I call this tier the doormats. It's

709
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: a similar it's a Stags just walk all over them

710
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: every year. Which team do you like the most of

711
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: these three AC teams? About that? The Jets have the

712
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: most upside? Do I think Miami? And you could argue

713
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: in Miami, of course, but I think the Bills are

714
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: cut but lower those teams, that's all they are, and

715
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: that's that's the Jets should be higher. I'm just saying

716
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: the Bills in that group, I feel like the Bills

717
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: could be one of the worst teams in the league.

718
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: Well I put them lowest. So here we go Tier

719
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: five and this is simply who are you? Because I

720
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: can't We're at this point in the summer and I

721
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: can't quite figure out what we're going to get from

722
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: these A f C teams, the Raiders, the Broncos, and

723
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: the Cults. I like the name of this tier because

724
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: they could do anything. John Gruden is a huge mystery

725
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: after a decade away and what they've done to their

726
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: roster in the off season. The Broncos could easily be

727
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: back in the playoffs if case Keenum is who they

728
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: think he is. And to me, the Colts, even though

729
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: their defensive talent is maybe the worst in the league.

730
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: I could see Andrew luck if he is who he was,

731
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: leading this team back to that he had. He did

732
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: that before with with shoddy roster. So the um the

733
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: rest of the a f C East Tier bit again,

734
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: I have an issue with it because all the teams

735
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: in the tier below I would put ahead of the

736
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: Bills and probably the other two. Well that's why I

737
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: said that I had this from here on. It was

738
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: not a specific ranking exercise. Well that's what this is.

739
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: Literally went well, listen, you can you can again that

740
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: the listener and the host of the show are have

741
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: the freedom to be honest with you. I think you're

742
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: doing a nice job. What if we just moved the

743
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: who are you tear up? One? Let's go who are

744
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: you above? Of the everything? Okay, we're good, we're back

745
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: on track. Final tiers. All right? Are you O? C

746
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: D A little bit tears? I thought if I put

747
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: the Jets down below, I'd be hearing it from you,

748
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: so I can't win Pier six. Prove it to me

749
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: instead of getting my hopes up only to have me

750
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: thinking about driving off Interstate ten. By late September. Cleveland Browns, Yeah, yep.

751
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: It's the fear of every Browns fan, every uh, every

752
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: non Browns fan that works on the around the NFL

753
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: podcast uh that they are going to bang you again

754
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: despite all the positive vibes around the franchise right now.

755
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: But I think they I think they will be higher

756
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: in this conversation next year. They really believe it. I

757
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be the first year I actively root

758
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: for the Browns just because I want a happier Mark.

759
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: I do like the idea of West rooting against the

760
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: Browns these past five years, even though Marks, oh, I've

761
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: been openly rooting against it. I just don't respect them.

762
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: Mark's happiness and sadness to what It's completely centered on

763
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: how the Browns are performing. So and on some level

764
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: you're rooting for Mark's unhappiness from I've learned my Well,

765
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: is it is it West's fault? Is he part of

766
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: the organization? I would say, no, it's conspiracy man. So

767
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: that's that's the wonderful, wonderful stuff. Oh you know we

768
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: we have to do, by the way before we get

769
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: to the NFL. This is good training camp Spotlight Baby,

770
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: presented of course by New Era. And since we brought

771
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: up my Jets, you know, the Jets always gotta come up.

772
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: They always got a little bit more pop than they

773
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: deserve on this podcast a little bit more. Who's hosting

774
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: the damn podcast? Mate? So Sam Donald? Uh, Teddy Bridgewater

775
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: and Josh McCown, the three headed monster back there West,

776
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see you up on this. Who's starting week one?

777
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: Josh McCown. So you think there's no chance Donald? The

778
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: best route to the job for Sam Donald, I think

779
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: is Josh Josh McCown gets injured and he is a

780
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: fragile quarterback, he's owed and he plays a reckless style

781
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: in a Teddy Bridgewater trade. Yes, I could see that

782
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: happening for sure. I feel it's like, what would he

783
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: have to what does he need to do to win

784
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: the job? If you're Sam Donald, you kind of have

785
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: to blow people's expectations away in the preseason, I think

786
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: because if he's if there's no reason to rush him

787
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: into the lineup, right away. He's he's the youngest rookie.

788
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: He's is he the youngest rookie? He is Californ So

789
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: it's like youngest rookie quarter starting to one last month

790
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: were with Baker Mayfield. The age is is an issue

791
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: out there where you can't just you can't put him.

792
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: You can put him the Shadows for two seasons. You

793
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: don't need to do that with Donald, and the Jets

794
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: are not a playoff level roster. I don't think at

795
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 1: this point on off. So if anything, maybe you'd find

796
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: an appropriate spot in the season after a bye week

797
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: or something, and then you then you get you give

798
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: him a good sample size end of the year. Yeah,

799
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: I'm with you. When I did do the Good Morning

800
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: Football segment, I laid out three doors that the Jets

801
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: uh could walk through this season. One was best case

802
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: that Donald starts the season and they have a really

803
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: nice year. Two is that he comes in maybe around

804
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: Halloween a little before, a little after and has some

805
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: ups and downs and three of the wheels fall off

806
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: and everything's terrible. I think number two is where they'll

807
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: probably end up, and that has Donald coming in eventually.

808
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: And I believe if you remember last summer McCown almost

809
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: played no snaps in the preseason. I think you're gonna

810
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: see a ton of Bridgewater showcasing him with uh the

811
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: kid getting a lot of work as well, and then

812
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: I think they will try to trade Bridgewater. But we'll

813
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 1: see McCown played well last year and he is obviously

814
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: beloved in that locker room. They really look up to him.

815
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: That was Training Camp Spotlight presented by New Era. Now

816
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: let's move to the NFC. Chris Westling, I know as

817
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: a scientist, even though your other scientists, Greg Rosenthal not

818
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 1: here on vacation doing his thing. Is heven we haven't

819
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: seen in like four months? Is he in Japan? No,

820
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: he's He's in Los Angeles right now. From what I

821
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: from trying to get airtime here, there is UH. Even

822
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: though you're you're down a scientist, you know I have

823
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: access to the lab. Absolutely. I have the optical scan

824
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: that gets me downstairs. Maybe change the locks at some point.

825
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: When did they go from skeleton key to optical scan?

826
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: That's an upgrade. Rock upgraded, it shot out to rock

827
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: um and uh, even though Greg's not here, I just

828
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: wanted to say, as you begin this segment, as a

829
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: fellow lab guy, Good luck? Why am I not allowed

830
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: into this part of the house check with Greg? It's

831
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: not I voted to put you in. That's above my way.

832
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: That suggests he did not, and that suggests that Dan

833
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: broke the tie by saying no, no, no, no, I'll

834
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: repeat myself. That's above I pay grade. I took the invite.

835
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: I was hanging out in the check kitchen making grilled cheese,

836
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: and then I got the call. Already weren't a bad place,

837
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: the four of us all right West NFC hierarchy report.

838
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: It's so diametrically opposed to the a f C. So

839
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: your second tier in the a f C. Would you

840
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: be surprised if the Jaguars or Chargers did not make

841
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: the playoffs? I mean I would be surprised if the

842
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: Jaguars and not. But almost anything could happen with that

843
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 1: would not surprise me. Not those two teams. The only

844
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: two teams that would be surprised are the Steelers. In

845
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: the page, I count seven teams in the NFC for

846
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: six playoff spots, and all seven would surprise me if

847
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: they don't make it. These are the contenders in the NFC,

848
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: the Eagles, Rams, Saints, what's the name of the tier.

849
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Contenders, Contenders, Eagles, Rams, Saints, Falcons, Vikings, Packers,

850
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: and Panthers are on the edge. If I would be

851
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: surprised or not, but they have a strong roster. If

852
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: it surprised me a little bit. They are a playoff

853
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: team last year. Yeah, I mean you make a lot

854
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: of sense there was. These are all teams that are

855
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: super bo all loaded teams coming off really good seasons.

856
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: Like you said, the Panthers maybe the team that not

857
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: quite at the level of these other teams. But uh yeah,

858
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: you're right. That's a lot different than the a f C.

859
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: I think all seven of these teams that the season

860
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: does not end in a Lombardi Trophy. It's a disappointment.

861
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I'd agree with you. I like it's it's

862
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: an argument to recede the playoffs because some of these

863
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: guys are not gonna make it while you're gonna get

864
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: too half baked operations in the a f C playing

865
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: in January. I don't know, I know you've brought that

866
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: up before, just cyclical. I don't know, it's it is

867
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: what it is. But the only thing i'd say is

868
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: Dallas to me feels like they have high expectations. They're

869
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: very imperfect though, so they don't need to be in

870
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: that in that category. Yeah, I was gonna say, and

871
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna hit that. But um, is there

872
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: any teams that are just missing the cut there? Or

873
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: is this very kind of to you black and white

874
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: that I broke this down into two tiers because I

875
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: thought it would work better to contrast with the a

876
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: f C. But if you want to go deeper, I

877
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: sort of have bounced back candidates as one tier, which

878
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: is the rest of the NFC East outside of the Eagles. Yeah,

879
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: disappointing year with the Giants and Redskins. So many injuries

880
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: for those guys, and the Cowboys with his ego, l

881
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: It's suspension and the defensive line injuries and suspensions. They

882
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: just didn't have it last year. Um, so these guys

883
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: are all bounced back candidates, And then you could also

884
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: make a tier, sort of making the leap tier the

885
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: forty Niners and Bears, two teams that the forty Niners

886
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 1: the way they closed out this season and the Bears

887
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: what they did this offseason could be really emerging teams.

888
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: But here's my pretenders list, and that last the column

889
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: on the right Seahawks, Cardinals, Lions, and Buccaneers is sort

890
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: of like marks, who are you? Tier are you? Who

891
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: are these guys? I don't know who the Seahawks are anymore,

892
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: But if you're in this pretenders there and again Niners, Bears, Cowboys, Redskins, Giants, Seahawks, Cardinals, Lines,

893
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: and Bucks. When you call them pretenders, you're saying you

894
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: would be stunned if any of these teams was playing

895
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. Yeah, it would not surprise me

896
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: if any of those teams. I don't think there's a

897
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: Bills level team on here where it would shock me

898
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: if they made the playoffs. I think any of these

899
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: teams can make the playoffs. I just don't think they're

900
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: strong enough to go all the way. And the Cowboys

901
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: to me or the wild card of the conference. Uh,

902
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: I can I can see that that was Last year

903
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: was just such a difficult season. The Zeke Elliott drama

904
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: I think really messed with him. Uh. Watching All or

905
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: Nothing really put Jason Garrett on my radar, And there

906
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: were some people, by the way, after Tuesday's show, we're

907
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: pounding the table that Garrett should be seen as the

908
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: Dalton scale. We we we came up with that with

909
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: that answers on the fly, Yeah, that does this is

910
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: this will be Garrett's last stand. I feel very comfortable.

911
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: I don't even know what his contract situation is, but

912
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 1: they need results. He needs to win ten plus games

913
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: and maybe even win a playoff game because Jara is

914
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: not getting any young. I think the forty niners are

915
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: a wild card because if you get it, there's got

916
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: to be some bound the opposite of a bounce back

917
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: when you come down a little bit off those last

918
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: five games. There's no doubt they're not gonna win every

919
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: game that way. But if they look like they did

920
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: at the end of last year. You you talk about

921
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: the Patriots having Belichick and Brady, I really think that

922
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: Shanahan and Garoppolo are have the early seed of that

923
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: and and there's a lot to be said for how

924
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: those two work together and what it could mean for

925
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: that entire offense. They quickly added a lot of parts

926
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 1: on defense too. There they're not They don't have major

927
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: positional groups of weakness or need. Dan promised me you

928
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: will make Garrett's last stand an ongoing bit for the

929
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: entire season. I like that. Let me get down in

930
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: the lab and get to work on that. There's so

931
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: there's no I guess that's my big takeaway from the

932
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: you're setting up that conference West the NFC. There's no dormat. Well,

933
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: they probably will be when the season starts, but from

934
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: or once the season gets into full bloom. But looking

935
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: at it right now, every team kind of has a

936
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 1: case to have a nice season. Who would you even

937
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: throw out there is the potential dormat. I can't see

938
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 1: one team that is. I'm worried about the Bucks, especially

939
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: their defense got a lot better than I think. They

940
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: are so talented outside of the Winston and Fitzpatrick questions.

941
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: You know that they really reloaded that front seven, as

942
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: Mark said, and their offensive metrics and a lot of

943
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: the key metrics, they were better than teams like the

944
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: Rams and the Eagles. I mean, they have so much

945
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: talent on this team. But you're right, it was a

946
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: disappointing season. They can't seem to put it all together.

947
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to believe in them until you know.

948
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: Obviously their quarterbacks situation gets situation is on my radar

949
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 1: a little bit too, and their coaching, their their weakness,

950
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: maybe the coaching staff until they show us otherwise. And

951
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: with their schedule, they could be staring at oh and

952
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: three uh and then who knows how that team reacts

953
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: to adversity is certainly didn't react well last year. Well

954
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: that's sort of like what happened to the Giants last year.

955
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: Once you get behind that eight Bowl, it's awfully hard

956
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: to climb out right. And they also had a head

957
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: coach that was in over his head uh in. Ben

958
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: McAdoo is no longer there, so that's very interesting. I

959
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: enjoyed both hierarchies. You want me to hand out grades please? Okay,

960
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't know the rule of Elliot Harrison here, Hi

961
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: hierarchy grades. Um, remember you're gonna be hanging out socially

962
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: with us today. Do you want us to you know,

963
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: part of the bill pain or not. I'm just gonna

964
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: grade you guys on pass val both pass. That is

965
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: how you do it, that's how you dodge trouble. Well,

966
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: now I'm disappointed. I want to know what you really think.

967
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: But satisfactory remember that would be in the past a

968
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: couple of us. I want the extremely satisfactory work by

969
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: both the boat not the signist. Sorry. The kissing cousins

970
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,959
Speaker 1: are eight minutes, respect and we'll talk to Greg. Maybe

971
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: I won't talk. I'm annoyed to find out that I'm

972
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: learning now that he voted me out of the Yeah, West,

973
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: you kind of let that one. That's completely fabricated sink basements.

974
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: Greg and I have never talked about Mark Bean in

975
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: the lab. Greg and I have never talked about the

976
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: lamb outside of this room damage control. I'm gonna put

977
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: a little chair onto the doorknob and you guys will

978
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 1: be stuck down there. I have the whole rest of

979
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: the house. It's a retina scan situation. Um, all right.

980
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: So we will be back on Monday with another show.

981
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: And I just want to say, before we go again,

982
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: shout out to Alex Gelhar in his his new career

983
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 1: back in Wisconsin. Also the podcast award, lindsay, I don't

984
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: have that info in front of me. What wh Where

985
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: can people go to vote for the Around the NFL

986
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: podcast hashtag Let's get crooked? That's crooked? Is that really

987
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: the official the official hat? Yes? That is? Oh the

988
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: official voting can be done at Podcast Awards dot com. Okay,

989
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: and you go what was there's a little more prompting.

990
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: I believe you'll have to register for an account. That's

991
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: killing us. Now. You should have left that out because

992
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: nobody's going to register. Now. You just got to nominate

993
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: around the NFL and make sure that you nominate them

994
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: in the sports there. You go, get in there and

995
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: do it, register and be happy that you did, and

996
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: then unsubscribe and yeah, I'll give everyone, as you know,

997
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: trust the process here. Uh no, that's not the hashtag.

998
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: The hashtag is let's get crooked. Use your hotmail address,

999
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: the one that you don't use that one so you're

1000
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: not getting spam, and and throw us a vote because

1001
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: if we win, I assume something amazing will happen, both

1002
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: for us in the studio, probably monetary gain and you

1003
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: as the listener, because if we have more money, we

1004
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: will be happier and probably than more efficient as podcasters.

1005
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: That happiness is contagious. By the way, if you go

1006
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: to their site, they have had up the entire year

1007
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: last year's winners, so you don't well that we didn't

1008
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: win last year. But like the one of the one

1009
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: of the benefits is that anyone if you log in

1010
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: and register every time, you visit podcast Awards over the

1011
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: next year. You could cycle down and see our name

1012
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: on that front page. That alone would be a huge benefit,

1013
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: I think to the voter, absolutely boon and again another prompt,

1014
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: go to uh Apple Podcasts and leave five star ratings

1015
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: and the comments. We'll probably get back to reading some

1016
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: comments down the line, so please support the show as

1017
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: you always do. You guys are amazing, Greg, We'll be

1018
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week. It's our last week of

1019
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: two shows and then we ramp up for training camp.

1020
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: So until then, this is Dan has a signing off

1021
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: for the Quiet Storm, the Mailman, the Wisconsin wiz Kid.

1022
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: Is that what Esquire of course? And Lindsay falls on

1023
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: behind the glass till Monday.